Worst MMO Ever? - Metin 2

[@peterstangl8295]

This right here was most eastern european kids' first mmo some 15 years ago, me included. It sucked then, sucks even more now, but it was all we had. I still have some fond memories of it, mostly for the music.

[@pedrosilvaproductions]

It wasnt that bad before. Iirc it wasnt as item shop dependant for one, but it was always grindy

[@Arthera0]

I played a lot of those kinds of garbage mmo cause my parents didnt want me to buy WoW. Even then i didnt last long with them cause as a child you realized it was trash

[@narcissusbaz55]

For me it was Mu Online, but yeah... this was all we had and we learned to love it.

[@SeyrenaKatsuragi]

Ro yang?

[@susannightson4092]

One of the reason I played this game was the fact that it was the ONE game of this genre (that i knew of) that was translated into my language and I could actually understand what i needed to do.

[@Artass937]

Oh my friend, you have just touched the tip of the iceberg. There is a set of quests given to you by biologist, that requires you to farm fairly rare items. At first you have to turn in like 10 items or so, but you can only turn in one item per day... and to top it off, he can either accept the item or reject it. This way it can take you up to a month to complete a single quest.

[@Artass937]

@Failed Society There is more. Back in a day, i was essentially walking enclyclopedia and let me tell you, the biologist quest is nothing compared to some other stuff. But even so, game used to be pretty fun just because you had to spend time to actually get somewhere. But few years ago it was ruined by adding more and more p2win shit and little to no content. It hasn't aged well to say the least.

[@Vivo-cp2rb]

dont forget that you can buy 2 items for real money: 1 item to let you turn 1 more questitem instantly and the other to raise the chance of it being accepted. Yes. Raise the chance. Not a guarantee :)

[@Artass937]

@@Vivo-cp2rb Oh boy i totally forgot about those. Honestly i were to pick what was the most upseting thing you had to pay for, it would be adding bonuses to the items. Not only did you have to pay in order to add a bonus to your item, the initial bonus almost always sucked but it also had a chance to fail to add the bonus. And when you finally got your full item (item with 5 bonuses) you had to buy this other item that would reroll the ones you already have and hope you get something good. Fun times.

[@pedrosilvaproductions]

What about the skill books? 55 books to put a skill at G level where you could only turn in 1 book per day and there was a huge chance to fail it so it would easily take you 6 months of daily book reading just to try and get it and books were mega expensive too

[@Artass937]

@@pedrosilvaproductions Yes, some of them were expensive, but that depends on the class. If you played warrior (most popular class) you had to cough up a lot of money to max out your skills. But honestly G ranking is walk in the park compared to a P ranking. You had to use a soul stone and you had to watch your reputation lvl if you didn't want to loose your shit.

[@angeljovanov4864]

Ahh Metin 2, the childhood of every Eastern European.

[@Rhaegar.Targaryen]

And Central European too :D

[@Massacrul]

I remember the game bit differently, though. Was it always that shit, or has gameforge ruined it over the years ?

[@Rhaegar.Targaryen]

@@Massacrul It was shit. But game was free, run on potato and was localizated in my language. And vary bad game which i can understant is better than iceredible good game wchich canot play becouse language barrier :D

[@pedrosilvaproductions]

Western european too!

[@SorarikoMotone]

Never heard about it in russia. Then again - most people here played counter strike from early age...

[@Dormazain]

My first MMO when I was 8 year old. When I switched to World of Warcraft 5 years later, the ability to jump completely amazed me. The sad part is, it's true, nostalgia carries me as an adult back on an M2 server every few years, but unlinke other games from my childhood, I find it horrible after reaching Level 5. The Soundtracks of Map1 and Map2 are complete bangers though. But editing this sentence made me realize how sad it is that for almost twenty years these zones have been referred to as "Map1 and Map2" by virtually every player and also community managers and developers. They have actual zone names, but nobody cares about those completely meaningless words.

[@zmoki3590]

This video was really hard to watch. I know mt2 is outdated and is p2w. But somewhere in my tiny brain i just cant stop thinking bout the great time i had playing this game. But yeah you are right. I think they refer to it as map1 and 2 because its universal and not bind to any fraction.

[@MrBau007]

Well,at the end of the day one realized this game was entirely meaningless 🤦🤣🤣

[@ChickenSando]

Jayang, Joan, Yongan, Pyungmoo... Try to remember such weird Korean names, it makes sense everyone called them map1 and map2.

[@koppsr]

I honestly hope that WoW goes the Tera route and simply gets switched off one day. Not join the Gamigo cemetery of slowly dying nostalgic memories.

[@oneoranota]

WoW is Blizzard's baby and brightest son. I guarantee you they are never, ever selling it.

[@kalajel]

"Alright, I killed all the wolves you asked me to kill..." "Great, now I need you to gather some flowers for a wedding." "Really? A gathering quest now? How original is this?" "Gathering quest? Oh no, you'll gather flowers by killing even more wolves."

[@hazukichanx408]

And the player character is literally some kind of wolf-human lycanthrope or hybrid (don't know the setting, don't really care). Where do these people get off telling a wolf guy to kill so many wolves for them?! And... and for flowers! That's not where flowers come from~

[@BigPuddin]

You gonna pullin flowers outta wolf ass for the entire month, homie

[@LoudRevised]

Josh: Screw this game. Game: Wait, *Monkey Dungeon* Josh: You have my attention.

[@Michael-dj6pd]

Monke Dungeon I like both of those words

[@EsotericAutism]

There's 3 of them in the game😆

[@PescaSuYoutube]

.

[@magegamer806]

"Reject grind return to monkey" This is what I'm here for

[@slevinchannel7589]

What about 'Teamtanks' from 'Gamevial' though?! 1 of the Best MMO's ever?!

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

Reject wolf, return to monkey

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 Your comment shows great wisedom. Great wisedome indeed. So i wondered if i can ask you somethin': Some real dumb 'Entertainment' (if you can even call it that) pops up if you write in something like 'Tits groping lol h0t lol' into KZbins searchbar. ...Aaaaand youtube does have a Report-Button. So i wondered... could do spare 3 Minutes and help the plattform to become a lil bit less messy and sex-sells-filled?

[@xt2607]

here after intense grinding of 50 horse medals and 5 ribs

[@deviousmile669]

i've played metin2 for years back in the days, after reading a lot of comment about the music i was like "how do they remember the music? like hell i would be able to recognise it" then Josh put the music and i felt my hearth sunk, all those years when i was a young kid without worries just came back

[@vibongo]

Josh: OST doesn't fit, have a listen Me: CRUSHED BY NOSTALGIA

[@LightCrib2]

Josh: Have a listen Me: Is this Roller Coaster Tycoon 3?

[@Dyna1One]

Yeeeesss

[@joejo4549]

He even said this about Symphony of the night, he likes atmospheric music and is very strict about it, it seems. I like zone music that doesn't necessarily fit the environment at times but it's just an opinion.

[@givengames4282]

Fuck yeah, that was my exact reaction loool good old times

[@denizs.9619]

Damn, right in the childhood. I remember grinding in monkey dungeon to get a horse medallion. played this game with my eighborhood squad. We used to meet in game and ride our horses thru desert all 9-15 of us (not everyones parents allowed to play more everyday lol) to raid and terrrorize Yellow flag peasants for how tasteless they were in their Colour choice. Good times

[@TechSupportDave]

I remember the struggle it was to get a horse medallion. Now I play Aeldra and I'm experiencing nothing but happiness.

[@creedgameyt]

Gözümde canlanır koskoca mazi :')

[@nolifebro2905]

@@TechSupportDave them you ar from romania

[@TechSupportDave]

@@nolifebro2905 nope I'm Polish, close enough ig. But nah romanian isn't the only language in Aeldra, there's Polish, English, Spanish, ect.

[@AdrianUzumakii]

damn I remember killing reds and yellow xDD

[@AngryWindmill]

I was wondering when this would've showed up, old school gameforge mmo just aged poorly because they were trash from the beginning. Still I have beautiful memories of this game.

[@fallengarden]

I'm sooo glad that Silkroad Online completely covered these years for me back then.

[@keinname1896]

@@fallengarden I played both and up until now I really didn't want to look them up again, to not taint my memories. Does Silkroad hold up? :D

[@KeldonSlayer]

@@keinname1896 I played silkroad for the first time 2 years ago, put about a hundred hours in, then one day woke up and didn't login, to never return, wasn't bad honestly.

[@voidex136]

If it was trash from the beginning why would you play it?

[@st4rpt_603]

I played Metin 2 mostly in private servers tbh and it was great fun and not ruined by Trashforge.

[@emperorehryn2370]

Metin2 had some really cool ideas for a game that came out in 04, that I'd love to see in new MMO's. There's multiple nations you can start in, like RED, YELLOW, BLUE. And you can travel them and it's open season on you. You also can't talk to them UNLESS you manage to find language books and learn their language, otherwise it comes up as jibberish.

[@H3ntaiWarrior]

So like world of warcraft? :P

[@SioxerNikita]

@@H3ntaiWarrior Except you couldn't learn languages

[@Majkels]

I always liked how you can attack multiple enemies at once and knock them back, likewise the enemies can knock you back too. I always liked that, made the game feel cool and dynamic

[@placeholdername0000]

​@@MajkelsWhich can be exploited to shit, like the classic PvP trick in WoW where you use knockback effects to throw an enemy into the void. Or as you apparently could in the old days, use Death Grip to pull an enemy with you, as you kamikaze over a cliff.

[@Moehre040]

@@placeholdername0000 all of which you cant do in metin2 because you cant jump off cliffs or anything similar. You can stunlock enemies for hours on end with some classes, but you can not instakill cheese anything as far as im aware. Also this game used to have the exact same problems back in the day, but a lot less severe. GF just decided to make everything even worse to try and get more cash. And this is from someone that quit the game when there was no furry class and the 14th server (no actual regions attached to any of them) had launched. Also fun fact: the useless trainers he mentions at ~20:13 actually used to be your skill trainers.

[@L_Monke]

Ahhh, Metin2 I remember farming FMS's and RIB's, fishing for pearl whole day and chatting with other fishers. Helping my guildmates killing those fucking 150 archers in the desert for combat horse. The first automated farm of 4 warriors on combat horses and one ninja luring black orcks to meat grinder. And begging my father for 10zl so I could buy a red bandanna for my warrior. Good old days of 7-12 year old me.

[@angelo1949]

we all lived the same life huh lol. I remember those parties at black orcs, those were the days

[@Katniss218]

@@angelo1949 Ohh man, the BO memories

[@adoudiyoussef5094]

Tears of nostalgia

[@lucaarama2975]

red bandana is so true bro🙀🙀

[@GamingDualities]

or killing captains for FMS. or second map kite farming. best music. farming RIB. metal or berserker warrior abilities hm...

[@matteoar]

This will burn. I played this game for a long while, I didn't know any better.

[@sirbonobo3907]

wtf

[@raidoklopez7245]

Wakfu or Dofus esos son buenos juegos

[@kylar5677]

There was no better.

[@hugocardoso1488]

Me too xD but I came from Silkroad ahah

[@blobbowo]

*how*

[@inferno746]

"My only problem with the game, other than the fact that it's shit..." had me dying laughing, fuckin savage my dude.

[@Mripoststupidstuff]

HA! I left a comment about that too. I've watch load of these and this is the first game that has driven him to swear!

[@planescaped]

This game was particularly bad...

[@spxke_94]

I literally read this comment as he said it in the vid. I laughed so hard!

[@305killer]

my only problem was movement speed he mentioned at the start of the video, might seem small but it meant everything back in the day there was no teleportation rings now there are but you need to pay, you used to walk everywhere with couple teleports, and today everyone has pay to win pets items special extra boots and horses, %90 of your time passes to leveling extremely slowly %10 goes to walking walking walking

[@felchamp]

@@planescaped yeah and you know nothing about it. It was created in 2005 with more better graphics than WOW lol. And look at the revenue stil today boy

[@thefea]

you earned my respect for playing this far without any SKILLS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AFTER LEVEL 5. great video though

[@liviuboscu4220]

the issue here is that he picked the lycan class, which was added later in the game and had a special map. So in order to get the skills he would need to return to that map which he left at lvl 4 :D.

[@alexstach8667]

And the game doesn't really tell you anything about the skills. You go to the teacher, chose your class ans that's basically it. I guess he thought that he's gonna unlock the skills by simply leveling up

[@sirnunyabuiz6529]

@@alexstach8667 What was there to tell? You hover over the skill and it told you what it does.

[@asimplewizard]

​@@sirnunyabuiz6529I mean ... The game could have started by having an NPC say something like "hey "adventurer", don't forget to go to X trainer in Y spot to get your skills."

[@sirnunyabuiz6529]

@@asimplewizard And it did. It showed you a scroll in quest-like fashion telling you to go to the trainer, with blinking lights on the mini map telling you where it is.

[@WandererEris]

Josh: Upgrades PC to one that can play modern games on highest settings Also Josh: 2004 game first.

[@TheGravityShifter]

Tbf, you'd be surprised how demanding some games even from back then play on modern machines. Some aren't really compatible with current OS systems. Some are just stupidly demanding or aren't polished enough to where even modern machines still struggle.

[@WandererEris]

@@TheGravityShifter I suppose that's true, but I mean... Look at it XD

[@TheGravityShifter]

@@WandererEris Yeah I know. It looks like it could run on the PlayStation 1 lol. Still a good start to at least make sure the PC is cool beans.

[@shuja.j]

I don't even play MMOs, but your videos are so entertaining that I just end up binge watching your videos

[@mikoto7693]

I only play FF14, ESO, FO76 and STO (Star Trek online.) On and off, depending on what I feel like at the time. I enjoy MMOs when I’m in the right mood. The mood where I’m okay with never having a choice. I don’t have factions to join or choose to kill npcs if I want. FF14 is being problematic because of the story. The PC has goddess-given powers as a blessing. She has a strength beyond mortals. But there is a fighting tournament between four allied nations. Now Sophie, my blessed hero has already pledged her allegiance to Limsa Lominsa and it an officer in their military. Though she’s been helping Ishgard with their war against the dragons lately. Anyway… I feel because of her Blessing giving her an unfair advantage Sophie should recuse herself. Or in the very least fight for her chosen nature. But no the game decided that the Isgardians persuaded her to fight for them. It irritates me to know I’ll win on behalf of Ishgard because I have an unfair advantage. One day I’ll get back to it, but I resent the situation.

[@larroqe]

Hearing the Metin 2 songs has dealt me great psychic damage I may never recover from. I don't want this to trigger me any sort of nostalgia nor desire to return to this god-forsaken grind-fest game, yet it does.

[@egonecotu7542]

Dude same here, I almost teared up hearing that music again lmao. So many hours wasted and yet I know I would do the same thing over again if I had the chance.

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

Bro that music brought back the wated hours to me, too. Takes you back to when you just had those hours to spare.

[@hurtstosmile]

true

[@Epolusgaming-gl2wn]

Aeldra :)

[@matheuskg123]

HAHAHAHA same here

[@Bekcak]

I remember giving a presentation in high school with metin 2 music in the background.

[@ImLuckyMan7]

lmfao

[@sekirosshadow9319]

10:08 was the biggest nostalgia hit I have ever experienced. I still remember playing on private servers with my friends in a local internet cafe , cuz nobody had a pc at home. Funny to see how bad it actually is/was. But we still loved it.

[@fearlessdog6695]

so fking true

[@OcelotTransfusion]

I never played this game but the music doesnt sound half bad tbh.

[@Jackques]

Do you know what the soundtrack is called?

[@thomasgoodwill]

@@Jackques Enter the East

[@red2522]

Fucking same lmao

[@AtheistPirate]

"God-blessed werewolf hunting magical space ice cream" is the anime sensation we deserve.

[@taylorester2658]

Have it be a parody of eastern MMOs like this

[@AtheistPirate]

@Aggromemnon I hereby dub thee lead scriptwriter. You can use your powers for evil, but only on weekends.

[@SeyrenaKatsuragi]

The best thing about this game is that my whole online friendgroup met on a private server back in 2013 and to this day we still are on discord with each other on a near daily basis

[@Kermit_E_Frog]

Let me join!

[@red2522]

Same lol.. Metin2 friends are here to stay, I guess.. Even met a girl in the game and we met irl and were together for a little while lol

[@saints9379]

Can i ask what p Server that was ?

[@SeyrenaKatsuragi]

@@saints9379 Sakura Mt2, got taken down late 2013, was mostly a german server

[@raimondsstokmanis1892]

@@red2522 Why only for a little while?

[@Paddy.121]

4:55 You are not supposed to click on every enemy to attack it. Thats where Metin 2 does things very differently from almost every other MMORPG i know so far. You can hold Spacebar to keep attacking enemys infront of you. All enemys hit by you will be damaged by the same amount matter if there are 2 or 50 of them.

[@cactuss33ds]

sounds like shit

[@PDiProblemi]

Oh damn my childhood is about to get roasted

[@midn1ght_sage685]

F

[@dmitrishostakovich3156]

While I agree with the vast majority of what you've said here, I'd also like to mention that I think you didn't even discover that you have abilities besides the default attack...

[@JustinK1613]

I was going to say, how could there not be attack skills...

[@glitchrr36]

I mean, if the game is unable to make it clear you have skills then that's even worse lmao.

[@YASIGURII]

You unlock abilities at level 15 he only got to 12 and quit lmao.

[@kevinking2380]

@@YASIGURII lv 5

[@Blubbii88]

I was watching the video through to see if he ever discovers abilities, because that was in my memorie one of the more interesting things to play around and reason to try new classes. But the game is also a lot worse than I remember it. I know how valuable the mount was you would get by farming the monkey dungeons for medallions, but I didn't remember being so slow. I never really played further than level 30ish and hit a road some time where it's just endless grinding and hoping you won't destroy your items when trying to upgrade it further. It was just a fun game when everything else was running dry of content, that was just mostly gambling and grinding. Nothing very special for a long term MMO.

[@yaliyumegami2033]

The best about this game was the music, I grinded so much back then... the worst part about it is that you used to run out of quests and then had to grind for hours and hours to get some progress on the exp bar. I still remember using entire weekend days as a kid just grinding non stop to get 5% exp haha

[@paulogaspar8295]

the music was so good. I still listen to it today.

[@elsantko]

This game rarely ever gets into the mainstream English-speaking spotlight and it's endearing to see it. Not only is this a childhood game for me that I keep coming back to over the years, but I'm currently playing it more properly than ever and grinding it harder than ever before. I woke up one day and felt like injecting some routine into an unstable life: "Man, I really just want to do the exact same fucking thing every day.", so I picked Mt2 back up for that grind I can't quite get with any modern game. I play in the OFFICIAL GIGACHAD Spain server with around 2,000 hours and counting (yeah pretty hardcore I know) Unregulated player interactions, lawless like Tibia, entirely player-driven economy, a grind that always shows results in the end and a hell of a lot to do and learn in a cult-like community that still plays every day just makes me feel right at home like no other game... On the other hand, I'm worried I might have a plain shit taste in games lol ty for readin

[@adanzavala4801]

The fact that there are A SHIT TON of games out there and you chose Metin2...

[@elsantko]

@@adanzavala4801I've since dropped the game for 2-3 months now and I feel a lot better

[@atemephii]

@@elsantko have you picked up a different game recently?

[@elsantko]

@@atemephii I had relapsed on Let It Die and Minecraft pvp for a couple months, but lately I don't have the time for either, I made some good LID content on twitch though. God forgive me for I am having a miniscule relapse on Metin, I just don't have time for anything else that requires uninterrupted periods of time as opposed to an MMO that I can just log out of. Yes, I know, I don't have the best taste in games. I've also not picked up any new games in the last 2 years mainly because of $60 pricetags, I'm still stuck on older games.

[@stigtuneback1966]

are you joking ? , metin 2 doesent even belong to games , its HUGE trash , its in HUGE need of upgrade in many ways , there are plenty of other games out on the map that are light years better than metin2 , but i guess have you been living in a closet many years and never taken a tour and seen other WAY better games , this is the outcome of it .

[@Andru77]

You know, I seem to remember that whole “open the cash shop and buy this item” quest thing being in quite a few F2P games in the past. Of course, that was before mobile games, so they needed a way to entice 12 year-olds to break out their parent’s credit card

[@Futuran123]

This quest doesn't require you to pay anything the game gives you enough money to buy that item. It's just to show you "hey look this is where we want you to spend your money in the future".

[@mikoto7693]

Oh the one mobile game I played did that. Should have been a red flag but I was young and inexperienced. It was easy to raise the monsters and train them for battle as first. Quickly it became the food and stuff done for free were useless. You’d be tapping 3x times a day for a week to level up once. I lost a tenner to buying new currency to make my monsters stronger enough to take the next dungeon. Then I realised I’d be paying a tenner every other day to level up at a rate considered worthy. Then I realised soon that wouldn’t be enough. That’s when I noped on out of there and erased the game.

[@NicolasSilvaVasault]

i have played over 1000 of mmorpg over 15 years, and i have never see that before, except for a single game i don't remember well but the quest from the cash shop was optional

[@CatalinGeorgeMarin]

that wasnt in game until 2012 i think

[@subtledemisefox]

​@@Futuran123so it is just like a mobile game, where they give you a small amount of the premium currency and then force you to use it to do character draws or whatever

[@billyhebert7059]

"this is a purely decorative teacher. clicking on them does nothing." so like the class trainers in retail WoW? lol

[@pedrosilvaproductions]

They are only worth for the specific type of character you made and only once 😂

[@tenalpoen]

There were too many people with high level characters missing important skills. I'm not accusing anyone of buying their characters, I'm just saying it was such a problem they needed to do something about it.

[@ShinyPunkSam]

@@tenalpoen Nah, git gud.

[@johndalquen7668]

@@ShinyPunkSam In tbc when I first played wow learning the mechanics was most of the fun imo. So I agree with your statement

[@ShinyPunkSam]

@@johndalquen7668 A man of culture.

[@EnderPlayerTV]

Playing on Private Servers, using the cape and just aggro'ing like 200 enemies at once and just killing them was the best thing ever, one of my childhood games, and a great one at that.

[@pedrosilvaproductions]

Yeah, especially when you re mega OP but still have to friend 30+ hours to go up a level 😂

[@st4rpt_603]

YES

[@planescaped]

I'm glad I played UO, EQ1 and SWG as a kid instead of things like this... >__>

[@Nitidus]

@@planescaped Well, important difference, especially for kids: those were and are all free-to-play. Never would I ever have been allowed to play something requiring a subscription. Especially one that alone is three times my monthly pocket money.

[@Rivexd]

The game was never great.

[@AndereundIch]

This used to be an insanely rad grindy free mmo to play with all your friends or make new ones on the way.

[@De3dlus]

i remember when my higher lvl friends were leveling me on higher level mobs so it was quite easy to level up

[@MustafaAtacc]

​@@De3dlusbest spot for leveling was spider dungeon floor, it's effect on my childhood is crazy that when i think about the map1 soundtrack I'm literally hearing it

[@dedevilman]

@@MustafaAtacc goddd either getting taken to the orcs or the spiders by a higher lvl friend and them having to defend your low level ass from aggro players.. I miss those times

[@Embrod]

And then... Gameforge as always ruined it :)

[@angelo1949]

10:13 it just hits different. Metin2 is my first mmo ever. I still remember clicking an ad and playing it for the first time, it was magical

[@youtube-kit9450]

The game seems to have been fucked into the dirt, but someone seriously should take the music and put it into fitting areas in another game, as Josh said, the music objectively is well-composed.

[@SixonQQ]

omg i got heavy nostaglia flashback

[@THAMNOS]

This game is a classic in Poland. Years ago everyone here was playing it lol

[@extremee360]

Sadly it was

[@agentindigo2287]

in Romania too

[@cnez1910]

@@agentindigo2287 not so many smart kids in Poland and Romania i reckon

[@ereder1476]

France too. I think it was a classic all around europe to be honest

[@KristalBlut]

Biggest community is in Germany, then Turkey and then all the easter European like Poland, Hungary CZ etc. :D Dam, meeting you guys in P- Server was allways fun

[@mertt.7602]

The most played mmorpg game in Turkey between 2007-2012. I'm 22 now and it still excites me. In Romania, Turkey, Poland, in these countries, Metin2 was played a lot, and the game was played on private servers too much, apart from official servers. After Gameforge followed a pay to win route, the number of players dropped rapidly and the number of cheats increased a lot. It cannot be said that it is a AAA game, but it is a very special game for those who play it. The common point of everyone who plays Metin2 is that nobody liked the blacksmith.

[@earth2ash4]

Knight online? No way Metin takes that accolade when KO exists

[@modyboom7492]

I agree on the blacksmith part T-T

[@yuulian4776]

I am from Romania, and I can confirm that the oficial and the private servers were always full and fun to play. Oh, nostalgia...

[@DangerplayerAmv]

Same as Portugal everyone played it , then come pay toowin everyone start playing in private servers , stil after 7 years love to hear the name but Impossible to play it too mutch grind and money required , was good Times

[@nannuky1128]

well said, Metin2 was basically my childhood

[@lukusakazadi-christian8526]

10:11 every time i hear this song, my heart skips a beat, 1 tear falls from my eye and i fall in love AGAIN and AGAIN with the game i give up on 5 years ago, REAL NOSTALGIA and saddness hits me, i will 4ever love this game regardless of how bad it is.

[@AltumDolor]

Damn, Metin 2 together with 4Story was literally the only MMOs I used to play as a kid. Can't wait for you to eventually cover 4Story as well to relive the memories at least a little bit cuz there's no way I'm downloading/supporting gameforge again.

[@iulianhostiuc2391]

same man, i would play those games all day evry day, ive played 4story last year on a private server "old school" was pretty fun

[@gamermagazin3116]

@@iulianhostiuc2391 I heard that oldschool have big moderation issues :(. Sad

[@EleazarJL]

the old 4Story was nuts, hands down the best comunity i had contact with (atleast the spanish one). I miss the old days that i grind for coins in Derion

[@gamermagazin3116]

@@EleazarJL I had Littke chance to play it because it ran only my grandma's computer but i loved IT. I think these MMO games good on private servers if the server kills the micro transactions.

[@TheStrayInu]

@@gamermagazin3116 Don't know how you guys played these games, I already find Good MMO's boring, how do you guys find these Bad ones fun O_o

[@SebiBubble]

I am one of the highly nostalgic people about this game. I tried it a few months back after a 10 year hiatus. It is absolute shit. But dude, when you complained about the music and let it play without any other audio at minute 10, I was taken back so hard. The music in this game fucking slaps, especially when you're 14 years old and don't care about the music matching the ambience. It just slaps and I have goosebumps. Love ya dude, glad you have a monster of a PC now, you absolutely deserve it

Man, the "Rhapsody Of War" music from this game must be my most replayed song ever in my life. The "Wonderland" too. Go listen to them on youtube if you guys dont know them, 100% recommend, beautiful

[@slevinchannel7589]

What about 'Teamtanks' from 'Gamevial' though?! 1 of the Best MMO's ever?!

[@SebiBubble]

@ yeeeeees! If music would make games good, metin2 is one of the best games ever

[@ihebhtewech35]

Blacksea and Catacomb of Devil were amazing tracks too

[@qkahn6540]

About a year ago I started playing on WoM2 which was probably the best and most popular private server to have ever existed. I had hella fun on in until the dipshits from Gameforge chose to close it simply because of how good it was in comparison to their full Pay2Win shit game. In conclusion fuck Gameforge, they've never had a single good game eitherway.

[@Kayser138]

Fun and irrelevant fact: You could put any sound file into the game's folder and then you could select it on the settings to play it. Glad I stopped playing it when its still was decent back in the days

[@constantindenis8130]

@@TechSupportDave the official used to be amazing

[@zeki4313]

The Problem is, that it wont start your Music automatically

[@miuletzmitzu6641]

@@TechSupportDave The game isn't decent, we're just nostalgic. I've played it for 11 years, and tried other mmos along the way. BDO, which is pretty much Metin2 with updated graphics, Guild Wars 2 which is hands down one of the best mmorpgs, ESO, etc. There's nothing to Metin2 besides "go kill monsters for x hours, get enough money to buy better items to kill stronger monsters that get you more money so you can get even better items". Dungeons are done solo, quests aren't worth doing and there's no storyline. The only great thing about it is the soundtrack, private server or not.

[@TechSupportDave]

@@miuletzmitzu6641 reread the first sentence i said. literally the whole comment is me saying m2 sucks ass.

[@KyleDevy]

@@TechSupportDave your first sentence was literally "the game is still decent." Lmao!

[@Teuwufel]

One thing that bothered me the whole time - the skills that you never seen. The game showed them to you, these two brown-red squares with a plus sign.. these were the skill tree and stats..

[@AniCapz]

i mean he pretty much decided to be judgemental and make fun of the game from the start so he didn’t bother actually playing it properly but rather playing it wrong or finding flaws, idk how this ytber is relevant

[@Schelmi36]

@@AniCapz ur hurt because ur favorite mmo got called out for being bad?

[@Todiros]

@@Schelmi36 Both statements can be true. The game is indeed bad and I should know since I have probably a couple of thousand play hours. He also did not do an amazing job reviewing the game. And To play devil's advocate, there are numerous official and private servers that you can play, most of which are better.

[@toastedt140]

@Todiros He does have a bad habit of "Now I know what to do because I'm a gamer/game designer, but let me pretend I'm a complete brain dead troglodyte for content"

[@danieljakistam9409]

@@Schelmi36 you seem confused, let me highlight the key problem here for you "he didn’t bother actually playing it properly"

[@gehtdichnichtsan2418]

Metin 2... the memories xD Somewhere along the way at Lv 5 you forgot to take your actual Skills, if I remember correctly there even are two paths you can choose.

[@hugocardoso1488]

I think you bought book skills in Metin, it was a long ago ahahah

[@ereder1476]

@@hugocardoso1488 you did to increase your skill from master to grand master. Metin2 had honestly good gameplay because it was at a crossroad between a musou game and an mmo. As well as rewarding skill rank up since it took at least 3 month of taily skillbook reading to get to grand master (100 book required)

[@thomasgoodwill]

Lycan only has one path and only a male gender option. It was added later and it is still such a half-assed class

[@ereder1476]

@@thomasgoodwill true, everybody in french server disliked it and pretty much just leveled one for PvP because nobody got defenses or bonus against lycan

[@FeuerblutRM]

I face-palmed so hard at the cash shop in-game being in German 🤣🤣 Failforge at all their glory, ladies and lads. 🙌 Poor Josh

[@ereder1476]

tbh: nobody use the stream version. Everyone use the gameforge launcher from their respective country. Hell the steam version won't even launch on my computer

[@belstar1128]

These budget mmos are like the tower of babylon everyone speaks another languages causing it all the fall apart.

[@FolowNet]

I played Metin2 since I was 8 y/o for thousands of hours. Still to this day the initial zone theme makes me emotional from nostalgia. STILL everything said in this review are SOLID FACTS and its at the same time honest and painfull to watch personally. Great job reviewing it and Great job GAMEFORGE at ra***ing the game of my childhood.

[@thesexman6337]

bro just angered the whole of romania

[@havalkanalismi4045]

Also whole turkey, according to player counts, Turkey and Romania are the countries that hold metin 2 alive. Find the similarities lol

[@beseakos]

Romania, Hungary, pretty much any country in the region. Everyone and their mother and the whole fucking eastern bloc played this game and loved it because they had no money and knew nothing better to play for free.

[@Balandai98]

Programming-wise Metin2 is practically equivalent to a heaping pile of dogshit. You touched on this a bit, but the situation is so much worse. Here are some examples: You have collision with literally everything, whereas enemies are collision-free. Enemies can walk through almost literally any obstacle, including water and the steepest of hillsides. The only exception to this is bridges and this is exploited by some players (it allows them to hit enemies constantly in a more confined area). Also people make the argument that this game used to run on practically anything, but reality is far from it. If there are hundreds of enemies around you the game slows down dramatically even on modern machines. To say the game is unoptimized would be an understatement. Also also damage is sometimes computed without considering elevation (based on a 2D grid instead of a 3D grid). Combine this with the fact that enemies can literally walk up 90 degree angles, you're in for a bad time. Also also also enemy damage is computed at the beginning of their animation whereas your damage is computed upon impact. You can literally die from a ranged attack that hasn't even landed. Heck the shooter doesn't even have to fire the fucking arrow, them drawing their bow is perfectly enough to deal damage. Also*4 (even I'm getting tired) depending on the servers and the number of attacking enemies there can be a ridiculously long delay between damage being dealt and damage being registered. In other words you can literally die from the attack of an enemy that you killed 3-4 seconds ago (that's about the longest delay I've experienced). By that time you walked away from the battlefield but surprise, that last enemy had a pretty deadly attack that decided to undo the rules of space and time. These are only the most notable "features" with fights, there are a lot more similar "features". Steam compatibility is also(*5 lol) limited, you can't buy certain items if you play via the Steam client and not the Gameforge launcher. Oh God Gameforge... Don't even get me started on their fucking anti-cheat engine... I still love this game, so much nostalgia. Fucking weaponsmith is pure PTSD

[@xXBrutus67Xx]

Completely agree. Their anti-cheat banned me twice because i was fishing for too long, and the support doesn't care. And speaking about anti-cheat, there were so many bots everywhere, it was unstoppable. And to ban a bot, oh boy it was so difficult, not only you had to video record it, but you also had to have the chat + inventory + something else opened. (on Metin UK) Also currently Steam version has issues, for example you cannot change channels immediately, you have to wait 5-10 minutes. Jesus christ i don't understand how this game is still alive, for real. Are people still giving money to this scammer named Gameforge ?

[@johnfriedrich2307]

anyád

[@o-pwrdhd]

Rich dont Care, as long they got 1 player who spends 100 thousands of Dollars they are Happy.

[@stigtuneback1966]

love this game ? you have to be joking , whats there to love aboute metin2 , it belongs in the trash can years ago , its amazing trash like this still runs .

[@nikhtasalexandros1397]

"fucking weaponsmith is pure PTSD" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 loved that coment!

[@prorokdc]

Metin 2 and Tibia are legendary games in Poland. They were childhood to the most of us

[@cristiburlea1965]

Metin 2 was also legendary in Romania

[@mihalyjanosfeher3348]

Metin was pretty popular in hungary aswell Dunno about tibia, never heard of it

[@hetzahellshock3939]

Tibia was huge in spain and even in some extend germany, frikkin love that game! which is funny because my spanish friends introduced me to it.

[@ertus306]

Also super popular in Turkey😊

[@Strongest_under_heaven]

Slovakia and czechia join the metin2 group. All of v4 loves metin , and probably the rest of poor europe too 😂

[@comancosmin637]

Many years ago, when I was playing the hell out of this game, one thing that was making you more engaged was the human component, because you were not alone, everyone was there and it was doing pretty much the same thing. AND IT WAS AWESOME

[@KyleDevy]

So an mmo

[@kixmix2450]

@@KyleDevy our first mmo

[@ibenyibyt613]

It was pretty crowded tho, it also was the peak of mmos so you could always go to somewhere and there were always a lot of people

[@maak6270]

Yep, that was the idea. On its own, this game clearly made no sense and could not provide much feeling of immersion. I mean: just poorly animated hordes of wolves and bears, hanging in plain snow :) Pointless, extremely boring - unless you have ppl who care and compete.

[@ibenyibyt613]

You could say that is a factor that make people care about this game nevertheless to forgive graphics and clunky mechanics, human component and role playing was really important in this game, people where creating clans or gremios, making daily horse missions that required other 20 people to help you, and it really didn’t felt like you needed to search for them as if there were nobody, right now mmos are struggling to integrate the is human component because grinding in some feels more like a solo one player base experienced that in the form you advanced you less have to interact with them, and there’s botting too, now mmos also come with an integrated tool to play auto, so in the difficultness of the game, people really got into role playing

[@claudioss3920]

Metin2 was great back in the day. -Just 4 classes (Werewolf was added recently) -Not pay to win but paying will definitly get advantage (Gameforge wasn't the owner) -Lots of grinding -You didn't start with an OP weapon (Just regular +0 sword and go f*** yourself) -Really agressive towards new players, didn't explain much as it does today. -Private servers was the very best of this game, servers that offers everything, had most fun in this servers. -GREAT commerce and economy. -Amazing language design, depending what kingdom you choose if you encounter someone from other kingdom you wouldn't be able to understand them unless you read some skill books... -No auto-healing, i remember destroying keyboards pressing "1" -It really is a hard game, very f*cking hard game, even more grinding than black desert. -You can clean the quests out of the screen by pressing "ctrl+q" -Multi-account its 100% necessary, you could not get to higher levels without 2 or more accounts or characters... You need 1 farming items character that will supply your main character, you need another account playing at the same time with the "chaman" class giving your main character critical and mitigation damage buffs, also you want to have another character that can attract you hordes so you can farm with your main character, you will need another level 20 - 21 character to farm horse medallion to get the normal, armored and military horses (Will need like 20 medallion per horse or more) and after that you will need a team to help you complete the armored and military horse quests, which are pretty much obligatory since armored and military horse have a higher defense-attack rate/damage, armored horse gives you the ability to attack while mounted (Useful and necessary at medium-high levels) and military horse let's you use some horse skills. -Combo book system, language book system, fishing level's, skill levels based on pure luck... (Once your skill reach out level 17 you can master it, but it will master randomly between skill level 17 and 21, making your last skill master at level 99 or above) and even skill system once mastered it, guess what? book based skills... fun part it's that you can only read a book once a day, and it can "fail" the reading... (Yes everything can fail), only way to get book skills? destroying meteors ("Metins") and guess what, the book skill dropping it's random, you can get a book for a skill you don't have (obviously, can't read it unless you have that character and that skill). oh, but it doesn't stop there, you need 10 succesful book skill reading to upgrade your skill to "Grand Master" and it gets worse here... once you Grand Master the skill you need "Soul Stones" to upgrade it 10 levels more, Soulstones only get dropped from Meteors lvl40 and above, but wait, it doesn't end there, Soulstones reduce your karma, with bad karma any player can attack you against your will, and if you die you have a chance to drop anything in your inventory EVEN equipped items... MY GOD THIS GAME WAS MADE FOR MASOCHISTS. it was great, you could lost everything throwing things at the blacksmith, and needed to administrate everything, go and kill enemys at a certain level or you will never get an essential blacksmith item EVER, it's not like they throw the same items over and over again, there are certain specific items to certain specific enemys, and if you happen to miss those items you are lost, good luck grinding and buying it to another player. And actually NO, you don't kill everything until you find your hunting mob quest, they spawn at VERY, VERY Specific places AND ONLY THERE and yes, the hunting map lies a lot, remember that i needed to change channels until the enemy i need spawns, kill it and change again.

[@QuantumXX7]

"Not pay to win but paying will definitly get advantage" ........ bro, that is pay to win

[@claudioss3920]

@@QuantumXX7 I mean, back in 2004-2007 only advantage itemshop could bring was bonus items, ticket entrance for dungeon, and other items that could actually get in game. nowadays the cosmetics give you more stats, some servers let you buy in-game money and it is almost necessary to have your items with bonus or you wouldn't be able to solo some dungeons and areas. Of course, PvP it's 100% pay to win.

[@danibaba7058]

@@QuantumXX7 It was "pay to win" but paying for the items at the time(early 2000s) was simply not worth it. Like the items were hot garbage for the amount of $ you had to pay so it was essentially free to play.

[@minari8076]

@@claudioss3920 not aiming this at you or arguing with you or anything, but people say this all the time like “it’s not pay to win because you can get everything in game.” that’s just the same thing, just because you can get it in game also just gives the person who pays more time to do other shit. i just hate when people say this and they do it all the time. i’d rather have cosmetic only micro transactions than items you can buy in shop but also grind to get in the game. and obviously power boosting items exclusive to the cash shop is the worst of both worlds. again, not aiming toward you or ranting at you, just wanted to say this.

[@stigtuneback1966]

@@QuantumXX7 player doesnt know better , please dont push the person to hard .

[@sebytro]

This entire series has hyped me up to actually play the games I own and like. Too much time I wasted by finding excuses to not play some quests or parts of storylines and yet, when I watch this series I understand how good I have it in those games! Thank you Josh, you awesome second-monitor streamer!

[@marizzapiaandrade325]

I always watch one of these before a session to get hyped up

[@andersonsouza469]

I played Metin2 for years in Brazil. It's flawed but it was an amazing game before the pay to win stuff. Some of the problems you mentioned are from mechanics you didn't understand but most of them you were spot on! Also, the music is awesome, no doubt about it. So nostalgic.

[@TokuNorth]

"i kill a load more wolves because the biologist needs some more flowers and as we all know wolves are keen gardeners" man this guys sarcasm is next level

[@darkmiros6105]

Thats right, and i love his sarcasm.

[@CommissarMitch]

He has the type of humor too that I have rarely seen around. 10/10

[@denmanfite3156]

Watching this series really helps me appreciate that I just got into FFXIV and haven't looked back after over a decade of slogging through these horrible disasters of shitstainery.

[@bigmclargehuge8219]

I really hope they end up porting it to the Xbox. I've wanted to play it for a long time, I've heard it's really solid and has a good community.

[@MrCharly780]

Watching someone play Metin2 got me the MMO itch but now I'm wiser so I will be starting FF XIV instead

[@vivaldi_is_dreaming]

@@MrCharly780 The wisest choice. As someone who's been into mmos for (oh my god) about two decades now, FFXIV is pretty much the best choice you can make right now, and it has pretty much The Best free "trial."

[@MrCharly780]

@vivaldi_is_dreaming oh I bought it on 50% sale on steam, just finished ARR right now. Dungeons trials and alliance raids are S+ but damn I can't wait to get out of these Post ARR quests because they boring af.

[@denmanfite3156]

@@MrCharly780 they really do need to improve that process that's true. Just hold on it only gets better from there.

[@justinwhite2725]

Usually when games have a camera straife like that you can right click to hold the camera in place (assuming right click moves the camera) Guild wars 1 didn't have a straife, just a turn. But you could straife of you held right mouse to lock the camera and turned.

[@xenbonzacura5897]

guild wars 1 had a lot of jank, but it had being an actually fun game going for it to make up for that fact

[@justinwhite2725]

@@xenbonzacura5897 I didn't play GW2 nearly as much as GW1. Although I did tplay GW1 much after release, because I played it hard on Alpha.

[@Dadodaw]

Except guildwars 1 does have a strafe run you can bind in the settings that allow you to strafe without right clicking.

[@Gutigwolfe]

Presses Q, and E... Hmm why is my Guild wars character strafing if it doesn't exist?

[@Zyxaer]

Oh man, my first childhood MMO. I didn't speak English at the time and this was the only free to play MMO that was available in my language. Grinding for months to get to lvl 55 and then discovering that I could get to this lvl in hours if I paid real money for a ticket to special leveling tower where mobs had high respawn rate and were easy to kill. But many good memories there as well, getting my first horse and then magic (mythic? not sure how it was called) horse, fishing and getting my first white pearl and selling it for 1.5 mil yang, finding my first Full Moon Sword and destroying it at blacksmith because I tried to upgrade it to +7 without safety paper(not sure how it was called).

[@habkeinename3229]

you dont wanna know how many FMS i grinded out in the 3 years i actively played, you dont wanna know how many of em i destroyed. they added leveling chests givin you items from the cash shop every 10 lvls and they were just limited to 1 per char, but every char so ppl would just grind new chars to lvl 20 and get add bonus and respec items so FMS basicly went from the shitty ones get pulled to +9 then respeced, the good ones were sold on the spot

[@UncleDaniel]

i got my + 7 ninja dagger stolen, i know the pain xDDD

[@bobmars8771]

@Zyxaer 100% bro, you explained the moments perfectly, i still remember selling my first white pearl or warrior stone +4 for 3m So many hours, back in the day this game slapped hard af

[@alexandrumarin8981]

As a young laddie, growing up in Eastern Europe, Romania to be precise, every boy in elementary school would talk about this game. No joke, this game was bigger in my country than World of Warcraft. Metin and Metin 2 were THE MMOs back then. I remember several classmates talking all about the classes and quests and some even talking lore(?). What I do not remember is why I never played it myself. From what I recall, it was either because my PC couldn't run it or there was some kind of error/bug preventing me from creating an account or logging in. Regardless, one time circa 2010-2011, while at the birthday party of a friend from school, he booted up his pc and let me try the game. I remember running around killing some bears and boars(? Or maybe those were wolves? Idk) and being blown away by how cool and real it felt. Despite my amazement, I never revisited the game. I only know Metin from what others have told me and from those 10 minutes I actually tried it myself. I would later start playing WoW (shortly after BfA, started playing as joke but stuck around and quit 3 months ago) Edit: my childhood memories remember this game's movement being faster, and the graphics being better, although a bit more pixilated. Edit 2: 18:30 wtf I love Metin 2 now

[@Katniss218]

Same, but Poland

[@zeoツ]

Same in Hungary

[@paulogaspar8295]

not just there, this game was huge in europe and it was way better in the past and the community was booming, way more than WoW.

[@mikiii880]

Wait there's a Metin 1?

[@kreideprintz]

Ah yes, the unifying Romanian experience. God I miss this game

[@peterspodniak9364]

To be fair, on private servers with no p2w elements. this game prolly had the purest player driven economy ever, also some pretty unique mechanics. There was no auction house where bots camp to flip prices, you legit had to open your own little store and put ur items in there at the towns marketplace, that was so clever imo.

[@peterspodniak9364]

Few more inovative mechanics= no level restriction on zones, when I was a kid I always went and explored endgame areas by foot, hoping to find something rare i could sell or smthing. - You wouldnt get a good enough gear from quest rewards to level up, you would either have to make yours or buy from players, so in this sense, max level players were extremely rare - getting a first horse meant going in a suicide mission into a deadly monkey dungeon, u would die like 10x at least till u got your first horse medal, also selling them was a good way to make money for new players since it was too tedious even for high level players -Fishing was playing a slot machine whether you get a pearl which you can sell for a bang or nothing, you could also sell tickets to this slot machine for smaller buck - nothing was ever given to you for free, not even skill levels, if you wanted something, you had to work hard for it, and getting it felt awesome That said, the combat was awful, the class imbalance was awful.

[@marazali1816]

naw man you didn't open a store YOU TURNED INTO A GODDAMN MARKET STALL

[@acetown2263]

Josh's new pc "I wonder what awesome games we're gonna be playing!" Josh: "Well you see..."

[@slevinchannel7589]

What about 'Teamtanks' from 'Gamevial' though?! 1 of the Best MMO's ever?!

[@bananatron6930]

"This is a purely decorative teacher" ah, they went for the realistic American approach.

[@slevinchannel7589]

Haha, funny comment. Hope i'm not too random to go off-topic there: KZbin is Messy, to say the least. But some people claim to have found a Way to help in small steps. Help to help youtube become less messy. Less hate-filled and less sex-sells-filled. Wanna hear more? Of course, you should block me the Second i mention money or personal info, but what harm is there to listen to our Project until i do?

[@freddymicheal8339]

Lmao I read this comment just as he said it

[@yoboisergei]

- calls metin2 bad - the entier population of romania and turkey: Peace was never an option!

[@baris9444]

Turkey is for some reason addicted to stupid grindy p2w games including knight online. I do know many people sink 10-20k usd to knight online

[@marcinkrz3140]

Polish too

[@rodrigosiqueira2115]

Was very popular in Brasil too

[@ertus306]

@@baris9444 yeah man especially the youtubers who uses thousands liras worth of premium courrencies called EP (dragon money)...

[@xt2607]

@@baris9444 we dont know any better zula point blank wolfteam are an example as well

[@paperstars9078]

Ah, yes I remember playing a ninja with a bow whose sole purpose was to pull enemies for other guys to kill. But then they one item to automaticly pull enemies became more common and I was practicly useless.

[@WolfoftheDM]

the speed of the running makes me think of that 60s spiderman meme where spidey is like LET'S HURRY and he's moving somehow really fast yet going nowhere

[@Zephyrsw0rd]

I started playing this MMO in 2006ish near around when it came out, there was so much drama surrounding the game - corrupt GMs, a closet GM guild, being paid off by gold sellers even enabling GM commands ingame to benefit a select few players. I almost would expect people not to believe me on the last one, but when the commands were leaked ingame, I tried it myself and it worked to level skills to 10 - I never got banned either. It was absolutely mindblowing how much this company was getting away with things. That being said, in the moment I enjoyed the game. It was rare to find free to play combat MMOs at the time that played like this without the tab targetting. I really love the soundtrack besides a few odd duds and the enemy design is great. I check in on the games website now and again to see what's happened since then and it seems like they added mounts outside of the typical art style of the game. The areas and enemies don't really seem to hit the asthetic that the original game had as its charm. The wolfmen don't seem to fit the theme of an eastern MMO like this but if there's something in the lore I'm missing feel free to correct me on this. Make no mistake, this game was incredibly P2W and had a pretty toxic community, but it was also my first MMO. It sticks in my mind a lot, positive social interactions included. I finally stopped playing in 2009 when my account was hacked because I was a dumb 16 year old.

[@dontthrow6064]

i remember at that time there were no messages of the sort: staff will never ask for your password, as an impressionable kid i fell for it; and only like 2 years later i started to notice this warning

[@TheCh0senOne]

A man of culture! The lore of this game's staff and players is deeper than the in-game lore. It is truly a trashy game, but I never regret the hours I poured into it.

[@Strongest_under_heaven]

Its true, the game was milion times better back then. It still sucked and was p2w grind mmo, but it was mid to late 2000s, games overall were much worse, and this game had a lot to it that other games couldn't really even think of. 2008/2009 was the true golden age of this game. I have been playing from 2005 or 2006, as soon as it came around basically and I still do play from time to time, but on private servers, which honestly did a lot more progress on the game than developers ever did.

[@Earan]

This is true. I was also playing it, when all that went down. was there when there was a gigantic 3 way battle in the orc valley, when a certain yellow guild showed up with it's one member, child of the Community manager who had "Game Tester" status, and was able to will any item with any bonus into the game. I was there when you had to pull an entire dungeon with a shop item that pulls anything within visible range, in order to get any XP farmed, and I was there when one of the best/highest player on Karthago accidentally gave all his posessions to the wrong character. Also the infamous horse bug, 3-way bug, and so on. Was my first MMO that I ever played, and it was only bareable because of the people I got to know there. Edit: And I still get nostalgia from the music...

[@planescaped]

There were significantly better options even back then. This is one worthless game I am baffled people were playing... Apparently it was only people in Eastern Europe, so maybe it was the fugy chick at the bar, and beggars can't be choosers?

[@cosm.i.n]

The music in the first map is fire 🔥🔥🔥

[@Nathan_Coley]

Coming back to the Metin 2 video after the recent Callum DMCA situation.

[@randomsandwichian]

You can almost hear the squeaky "shwoop-shwoop" of the character's footsteps as they slippy slides their way slowly across the map.

[@osmacar5331]

Why i dislike most MMOs, am sorry you want me to do what? Spend hours on hours to go 5 feet? BDO has A good music while riding, and B now slower than a retard thinking

[@oicmorez4129]

I've been playing and replaying this game a lot, but mostly on pre-warewolf private servers. About combat, it's "Space to hit in front of you" which is an aoe. The combat is mostly about getting groups of monsters to stand near eachother and then using spacebar to hit them all at the same time

[@manv69]

Holy crap Josh, there was a time when I was young that I would play every single MMO that crossed my path. Thank you good sir for triggering so many memories I had no idea I still had. Cheers for all this crappy games!

[@stigtuneback1966]

you sure used the complete right word for it , CRAPPY , thumbs up for you .

[@korvixvalthonis64]

I tried playing this game when it came out, and it's official website gave my entire friend group malware -- good times 👍

[@NetSraC1306]

Played the shit out of it when I was young - then I got bored, downloaded a speedhack and zoomed through the world, trolling other players. Metin was so goofy

[@Embrod]

Polish Metin didn't have wirus, afaik

[@TheShirudoKen]

Honestly, I am actually really interested in watching a video of you discussing the history of stamina/fatigue systems (Systems which prevent the player from playing excessively) prevalent in many Eastern MMORPGs and how it has creeped it’s way into modern game design in many games today.

[@TheBloofyx]

the stamina system in metin is only there during combat, otherwise it doesn't drain

[@BK-ku1zt]

They specified the kind of stamina system they mean, just expressing interest

[@sorrenblitz805]

I thought that started with Gacha games

[@sadsatan..]

Metin2 was my first ever MMO game. i absolutely loved playing this game after school with my friend T__T THE MEMORIES!!

[@xManUxLP]

Oh this is one I expected on this list. I know this game is bad, but still I had way to much fun with it. Played it way to long.

[@EuSouPortugues100]

Yes, but it's such nostalgia play this game , as a kid I spent so much time and money on it😅

[@markmnz807]

Damn! I remember playing this game back in 2010 and I got so obsessed even tho I didn’t realize how poor the experience was. Also, my Mexican PC sucked and reboot the system a lot. However, watching this video remind how much fun I had with this MMO.

[@urigeheadmot1196]

Metin2 is awesome, I loved to play it as a child, but mostly on Private Servers, this is where the game really shines

[@wednesdaythe11th94]

while i agree with how displaced the music feels and i doubt the devs care enough about this sort of thing, i think it’s a good thing to keep in mind that a traditional village isn’t going to invoke the same expectations when you’re from that culture/country/region, it’s wrong to expect “traditional” music every time there’s classical architecture in a setting, it would be like someone from korea playing uncharted 3 and wondering why there are no bagpipes in the ost

[@gonzoshots4691]

It’s been 8 minutes and you’ve literally seen more bears than there have ever been in existence. And the contrast between your sluggish run and your anime speed attacks is actually wild.. 10:00 why is this song better than it has any right to be..? 18:36 the craziest Command & Conquer Red Alert vibes with this one 🤣🤣

[@Gorbag100]

yeah, the soundtrack is by far the best part of the game.

[@ytmanb]

i felt the C&C vibes too

[@gonzoshots4691]

@@ytmanb i literally have Hell March burned into my fucking brain.

[@ytmanb]

@@gonzoshots4691 i always loved no mercy from C&C1

[@ytmanb]

@@gonzoshots4691 theres a song i randomly heard in a stream lately that gives me those vibes called Knife of a Gloved Killer - Megahammer

[@banj0656]

Man, I've been binging this series recently, and this is the first game so bad that even Josh's writing is struggling to keep me engaged. Props for being able to stick to this for 8 hours.

[@acuteavocado1962]

13:56 i love that he always points out good things he finds, even in horrendous games, instead of just ignoring all the good to make the video more funny

[@redfiend1670]

Pointing out the slivers of good game design in these clown fiestas is a good comparison point for how terrible everything else is.

[@Katniss218]

@@redfiend1670 And it also makes the video more funny

[@muncherofbiscuits]

"I thought the weapon teachers would teach me about weapons" HAH, you'd think it would be that easy. You need a specific skill book that a pain in the ass to get. Oh, it also has a big chance to fail to actually level you up and just destroys the book. Good times

[@qalexagent6686]

I played this game when i was a child. I didnt have the auto bot.The best part in this game if you want a horse you need to : beat 2000 monkeys for a medal show that medal to someone and then walk with a horse withour colliding with the npcs for 45 minutes.To get a horse that is 5% faster and you spend 60% of your mana to call.

[@ErryKostala]

This was my first mmo 😂 I faced a lot of the problems you describe. So hard to level up. Got mauled by wolves all the time. And the metin were so hard to kill. So much grind

[@timofaust1315]

Thanks for the video. Still waiting on Crowfall with a bin of popcorn! Now that you got a fancy PC, maybe siege battles wont be a slide show ?!? BTW: as a German I had to giggle when you opened the shop. Gameforge games never fail to amaze!

[@Fightikus]

04:58 is the second time you mentioned that you have to click the enemy to attack, but that is simply not true, because you can hold spacebar to make your character continuously chain their attack.

[@TheFlp6]

THIS!!! Why nobody picked up on that? That thing alone was the selling point of Metin 2 - the fact you could go from mob to mob and hold space to attack everyone, this mechanic was addicting

[@bananasaur5209]

@@TheFlp6 Right? Place a rock above the spacebar and go on your merry way.

[@CiorapMirositor]

HE JUST PLAYS THE GAME WRONG TO MAKE FUN OF IT

[@biigsmokee]

@@CiorapMirositor where was the tutorial that told you to hold space? Please timestamp

[@CiorapMirositor]

@@biigsmokee it Is said in the forum of the game

[@AmazingDoodle]

Josh buys a new pc: "now the quality is going to be amazing" Me who doesn't really care about graphics: "sure" Josh plays Metin 2 Me: "..."

[@snesguy9176]

Yeeah if he's gonna do shitty old games probably have an older monitor with a common resolution on the side. Lol

[@AmazingDoodle]

@@snesguy9176 Ah, yes.

[@kamoinar1905]

@@snesguy9176 or play in window

[@avitus5770]

Man, this brings back so many memories. This game was hugely popular in my friend group when we were in elementary school. I remember using the agro item and just mowing down hordes. Good times lol. Though the werewolf wasn't a thing back then. But to the game's discredit, we always used to play on a community server called "Diamond", which fixed a bunch of issues, and increased xp gain, gave you a nice simple starting loadout, including a mount to move faster. It was fun.

[@stigtuneback1966]

HUGE popular , what a joke , this the only game you and your friends ever played ?

[@avitus5770]

Honestly pretty much, whenever we got to use the school computers we would play this game

[@AzzRushman]

I'm pretty sure the game had skills, but still, with such an OP weapon, I doubt learning skills would do much to change the gameplay aspect. I remember having to chain CC on hard enemies, save my defensive buffs for the few off-CC seconds enemies had. It was pretty great. Still, this game hasn't aged very well. I really loved this game and its music, and it was so simple even my father got hooked onto it. He also loved fishing. However, I also remember loving the idea of upgrading my PC to play TERA, knowing it would be a far better game.

[@mateleacloverae]

This was my first 3D and my first MMO game. One of the very few such games that got translated to my native language (Middle and Eastern Europe gang 💪). As such, I adored it and spent lots of time playing, getting scammed by older players, getting killed by mobs that were too powerful compared to me and giving up on the grind sometime between lvl 20-25 before starting a new character to enjoy those early levels again. It taught me some valuable lessons too: 1. Some players are major assholes. They feel no remorse hurting and using you. Beware games with forced PvP. 2. If you play as a female character, you will get unwanted private messages. If you foolishly admit to being a girl irl, or even more foolishly admit to being underage, you will get even more disturbing messages. 3. People who spend money on games look better and they are stronger. 4. I suck at games (I mean, it couldn't be that the game is shit, no no no, I must just be bad). 5. Roleplaying is fun, even with limited character customization and emote options.

[@mateuszsieraszewski7666]

In Poland this game is still played a lot, but not on the global servers, mainly private.

[@ismount]

I played a really grindy Korean MMO called FlyFF when I was younger. I remember it being OKAY to be honest, classes were interesting and different and the combat was serviceable, but it was hyper grindy. Like, getting 0.02% exp per kill on monsters well above your level. At a certain level you unlocked flying, on hoverboards no less, which was actually really cool and novel for the time.

[@pedrosilvaproductions]

He made a video of it This game was the same getting 0.02% each mob. And we were kids we couldnt kill a lot of them at a time. There wasw a bug mechanic that you could lure enemies to a wall and just attack them and they couldnt attack you but even that wouldnt make grinding less tedious or painful

[@SaraphL]

I actually played FlyFF for a time too. It's quite rare seeing people talk about that game though. I remember playing some kind of dude with boxing gloves and unlocking the flying board was epic AF!

[@ericb3157]

yes, i played that for a while. 20% exp from quests, 80% from grinding. i got into the habit of grinding on enemies one level higher.

[@Nitidus]

@@ericb3157 When I played Last Chaos, it was two levels of tutorial missions in the beginning and from that point on 100% grinding, 0% anything else. But it was still fun, we had guild events where some high level people took all the noobies to a very high level zone, hit a mob until it's nearly dead, then they ported to town and we finished the last like 0.1%. Killing it then gave all of us a huge amount of EXP, maybe 5% of a level or so. Then the high level player came back and we repeated the process. It was actually kind of creative, it was extremely exciting (as you could VERY easily die or even group wipe) and in the end it was a great social experience. More than anything you get playing modern style MMOs. Though still, it was our way to work around horrible leveling mechanics, which should not be necessary, of course.

[@CPSPD]

yeah wtf i remember fly for fun when i was scouring for MMOs i could play as a child. memory unlocked haha thank you.

[@SnarkOne]

Dude, this one is seriously popular among the 8 to 26 year olds in the Balkans. Internet Cafe's are swarming with kids playing it. It's so so bad. They forsake social/family interactions & education in order to pursue being "the best" at the grind and only ever achieve being slightly better than mediocre. I hope they snap out of it before life snaps them back...

[@deliapascal3550]

Its not nearly as bad as it was in pre 2010s, the game is slowly but surely dying. Most of the remaining playerbase migrated on the private servers where the unnecessary grind is severely cut down. The game was always a hot pile of garbage and everyone knows it still at the time this was the best f2p combat mmo you could play and with friends the PVP was actually pretty fun. Still besides the PVP the game has nothing to offer and without the pink shaded glasses of nostalgia I cant see how anybody could play this game seriously.

[@LemonSoulz]

@@deliapascal3550 no it was not the best at the time never has been. Knight online a f2p game that game out 2 years before this blows this outta the water.

[@deliapascal3550]

@@LemonSoulz my bad, poor wording on my part, the best at the time because as an East European Metin2 was your best choice if you didn't know english. The game was heavily marketed in East Europe and got localized in many european languages even the smaller countries. This is why the balkans love this game so much. The only good thing gameforge did is setting foot first by blasting us with marketing material to a stupid amount.

[@Gnidel]

Internet cafe... Good times.

[@r.e.z9428]

What amazed me is that there actual other players playing in the background.

[@mariolis]

By the way , the Lycan class was a later addition and was probably meant to be played by people who have played one of the other 4 classes For new players I would strongly suggest you pick one of the 4 human classes if you want to learn the game, the opening of them is much better and much less confusing A great example of this is skills , in the other 4 characters , the game guides you through the process of acquiring them but not for lycans because the game assumes you know these mechanics already if you are playing as lycan 20:10 Those teachers aren't decorative , they are the NPCs that give you your skills if you were playing one of the other 4 character classes ... I cannot stress this enough ,the Lycan class is not for beginners , pick one of the other 4 character classes and the beginning will feel a lot better ,many of the problems he talked about still remain , but not all of them

[@MrBau007]

Or better,just don't play this shit 😂😂

[@panickedrobert]

This game made my childhood so, so much better! 13 years ago, me and my best friend would play this game during the day (hot summers), go outside around 6-7 PM and when we came back inside, guess what?! METIN2!!! Idk… Sometimes it makes me cry thinking about those times. I still love this game, I know it inside-out. Best childhood ever, some will understand, some won’t! 😞❤️

[@haxys3091]

True, VATO. Comeback dude, btw de ce te-ai lasat? Erai foarte tare…

[@panickedrobert]

@@haxys3091 Multumesc, imi placea, dar nu la fel de mult precum cu ce ma ocup zilnic. Nu le poti face pe toate. 💪🏻

[@arcticnightwolf]

ever since you you mentioned it, i can't stop hearing the "I'm Josh Dryface" in the intro ...

[@SFtheWolf]

okay but I'm 2 minutes into the video and it's already better than every mmo where you can't be a werewolf

[@marcinsarniak]

I remember the cash shop being a part of the tutorial when I played this game as a kid over 10 years ago.

[@Zaher24]

This game is my first mmorpg game I played back in 2013 and I enjoyed it alot until the point where I can't progress in the game without paying some cash and of course I didn't spend any penny on it. But nowadays if u want to enjoy some metin2 action go and play in a private server which is far Far away better than the original one.

[@zbyszekkiebasa906]

There really wasn't a quest for showing how to assign skills? I remember there being one

[@HohenEU]

i think after level 10

[@mayonaise48]

@@HohenEU 5

[@aurelianspodarec2629]

Sometimes its bugged. Need to log out and log in. And its after lvl 5

[@r4kung]

Grew up with this game, spent thousands of hours on it. quit when it started becoming essentially p2p. Before that there was a cash shop but the only things you could buy were some extra potions which you could also farm in game and some xp books that gave like 2hours extra xp gain, which you could also buy with in-game money since there always were people selling them in personal shops in the main square (this was the way to basically buy in-game money with real life money, buy these books, sell them in game) All in all the game was great, had tons of great memories and i was sad when i left it, but it had to be left, after Webzen bought the game the cash shop became more and more in the focus while everything else was neglected, and it showed on the player numbers. (Webzen also did the exact same thing with Mu Online btw) I tried the game again a few years ago for nostalgia, i was put off by that awful werewolf race with its buggy mess of a starting area and the cash shop being pushed in my face every minute so i just uninstalled. That being said there are a few private servers in operation with zero cash app content and an older version (so no werewolf stuff and the like). Main drawback is that on any given server there are roughly only 30 players, 5 or more of which are the owner and friends who don't really play, the rest are max level. And let's be honest, the main thing that made this game so unforgettable for us who played it wasn't solely the game itself, it was the friends we made while playing, the people we saw, we stole kills from, we carried or got carried by, archers who lured for some extra yang, other 10 year olds who threatened to get you banned for stealing his loot. So that great world from my childhood is just empty, full of mobs that aren't being culled, it's really sad. This is what made Metin2 and all other old mmos great and precisely the thing that is missing from modern mmos and why they don't feel the same anymore no matter how pretty they look.

[@xt2607]

it was always p2w, i had a lv80 something mental warrior and the only way to add or change bonuses were the item shop, spent a little over 1k euro back when i used to play this game religiously

[@atomb2134]

You're wrong af there's TONS of private servers even international with thousands of players on daily basis, the classic is doomed but privates run the show, especially with exclusive content like maps items monsters dungeons , you can literally make money grinding currency and selling it for real online in the community

[@r4kung]

@@atomb2134 I tried 4 private servers, all of them had sub 50 active population can you tell me which one has thousands of players so i can play on it too?

[@PulashGaming]

This was epic. I demand a part 2 of this masterpiece! Please revisit this garbage heep of a game and make a 2nd impresion.

[@maxmustermann3938]

Played this game a looooong time ago, when I was still dumb enough to let other players scam me in-game. Good times. Also I didn't even recognize the start until I finally heard the familiar music. The entire snow thing is just from the event, it's not actually a snow area normally. Really stupid what they did there lol