Worst MMO Ever? - Nodiatis

[@fizzyfennec]

I don't even play mmos I just like this guy

[@bensteward99]

Exactly the same with me!

[@OffendingTheOffendable]

MMO=🥱

[@ieuanhunt552]

same

[@Thor-Orion]

I don’t play them, but I’ve always really wanted to. I’m about to give Guild Wars a go.

[@abysswalker1042]

@@Thor-Orion guild wars 2 would be a good start. That or final fantasy online mmo.

[@overtlybiased]

After so many bad MMOs the bar was set so low this game was praised for being able to launch

[@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски]

See, it's not as bad. There are even worse ones! Or better, depending on your perspective - at least you won't be exposed to a crappy game as it cannot launch.

[@Nerobyrne]

The problem here is more the lack of experience in game design the creator has, not the obvious cash grabs or lazy asset swaps that we've gotten used to on this channel. Maybe Josh's video will bring more attention to the game, and some people can support the work and make it better. At least, this has potential. Unlike Metin2, which mostly just has to be put out of its misery.

[@lionart5230]

Too bad, actually Florensia used to be fun :C

[@dontthrow6064]

@@Nerobyrne loool, true

[@finrod5886]

@@Nerobyrne the past few days have been the largest influx of new players that iv seen over the years.

[@Caelen_Tigris]

I haven't logged in to Nodiatis for a couple weeks, and I just got an email from Glitchless telling me "(Name), it has been 2 weeks since your last Nodiatis communion. This is most regrettable." It then listed a bunch of things that are "good" about the game... but the very first one was this gem. "-Nodiatis was recently featured by a popular KZbinr, which has brought in a significant number of new players. The video can be found at (link to this video)" I really hope that means they'll actually listen to the problems you pointed out and even, dare I hope, fix some of them!

[@Kickiusz]

Y'know, guilting people into playing your game is a weird design choice. As a person with anxiety disorder, just this would be a dealbreaker for me, no matter how good the game actually is.

[@planescaped]

Considering this is one of those games intentionally designed to be miserable so as to drive people to spend real money on it... highly unlikely.

[@Sebastianmaz615]

Highly doubt they watched the video at all 🤣.

[@diegotartaglia]

@@Sebastianmaz615 well, it's worst mmo ever series, not that difficult to figure out it's probably not a praising video.

[@speed0spank]

@@diegotartaglia but there is a question mark so maybe he decided it was the best mmo ever!

[@Jandau85]

This game makes me ask "Why is this an MMO?" There's nothing about this game that is made better by being an MMO. This could have been a solid, fun old school RPG...

[@youtube-kit9450]

Yeah. Honestly, after a while I completely forgot this *was* supposed to be an MMO and thought I was on Josh Strife Plays for some 80's Amiga RPG, not a 2008 MMO.

[@Kenionatus]

Maybe he just didn't get to the MMO part. What Kitty described implies that. (Which is another point for JSH's "terrible early game" argument.)

[@AleksoLaĈevalo999]

As a person who used to play Nodiatis... The only true MMO parts are the pvp and end game grinding however the main reason why this game absolutely needs to be an MMO is because the grind is ungodly and if it were to be a single player you would just stop at the very early game (after 6 or 12 hours) because there's no reason why would you want to grind so much for some minor silly plot advances or new enemies. And to answer "why this game has to be so grindy", this game just wouldn't be itself without the grind. It feels like a basic foundational of its design tbh.

[@themurmeli88]

Money.

[@planescaped]

@@AleksoLaĈevalo999 Ah the classic MMO design of make it grindy as fuck because any gameplay is good gameplay. Plus making the game intentionally miserable will encourage people to spend real money or GTFO like the freeloaders they are! I really don't understand why people play these games, I can only assume they're trapped by feelings of obligation.

[@pocketheart1450]

Hat's off to Kitteh for being a rad person and helping Josh.

[@ravenvalentine4919]

i know right ? especially that '' be mindful of the leveling sound '' what a nice person

[@michaelrapaport4494]

And he didn't even thank her

[@ravenvalentine4919]

@@michaelrapaport4494 yea he did ! what are you on about ? he did while playing the game ? the text is right there !

[@kitty3209]

Well, thanks, really I just figured might as well, Kitteh is my alt and I barely just got her all the way to almost the soft cap, so I am wellll aware how awful early game is >_

[@Sorrowdusk]

@@kitty3209 whoa! You're almost a legend, like the players of Otherland . How many hours do you have in game?

[@JonTh3German]

The creator of this game promised a game called "Dawn" back in the day were he, this is not verbatim, scammed people for money for a promise of the most open MMO ever (Never happened). Later on this game came to be. There is many things to note about the owner of this game, and a big one that Josh doesn't know is that, Jeff breaks his own T&Cs and abuses his powers. Good example is, in this video a player gives Josh stuff, this is bannable, as Jeff doesn't want new players to get free things since he wants their money. Jeff ofcourse won't ban Kittehas it's an act of kindness and "he's gotta look good for all those thousands of new players", instead he brings out another "Patch" to prevent it from happening The games integrity is gone. Only after this video came out and all these "thousands of new players" signed up has he made account sharing bannable, when I personally brought this issue up with him more than once and others have too. Never did he care; still doesn't.

[@planescaped]

Sounds like another one of these big fish in a small pond ego-trip douchebag devs who made an "MMO" (more apt to call it a cash-vampire time waster) for themselves to preside over. It's crazy the number of Miltons there are making cheap MMO's like these.

[@ootdega]

It doesn't have to be an MMO. The developer of Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead is an ego-trip douchebag who has been running his game into the ground for years. There are plenty like him. Some just want to be worshipped, some want to forcibly impose their political agenda onto others, some want to use your PC to mine crypto for them without your consent.

[@hmmmooops]

Sounds like someone just needs to steal the game code, patch the early game and release it as singleplayer.

[@zantanzuken]

@@ootdega the difference between this and the CDDA dev is that CDDA is open source, so anyone can take the code and make their own branch, which a lot of people have and do.

[@princessharley4771]

Big fish who obviously knows what he is doing in this small pond.

[@Elembrook]

I haven't played this game in years. In fact I was the original creator of the Wiki for this game (Jericko). I recently tried to get back into it to kill some time, and was so lost. Maybe I'll try it again... Lol

[@criptin4075]

Back in the day it was pretty fun until you burnt out but returning to it was usually fun again. Sadly it hasn't aged all that well. Takes way too long to actually travel the map. That was always the biggest turn off for me. I used the wiki back in like 2013 so if it really was you who made it then thanks. =p

[@RotoMarzenia]

I have tried multiple times over the years to get into this game because I read the wiki and I really want to get into it.. That initial grind is just.. its a wall that's keeping people out.

[@casedistorted]

I used to play it all the time too but I got banned because I used my mom's CC for $10 and she charged it back not knowing what it was. Actually a year or two ago I emailed the support email on the website and it still worked, and I got a reply! He said he was still able to look up my account and I just needed to pay him the $10 and he could unban it, I still haven't done it because when I tried on a diff account to play there was just no one playing the game anymore. The servers were completely dead I guess, which is very sad. It was a good original game for back in 2009 or 2010 though.

[@alexreilly6121]

I swear all I can think of while watching the main town parts is Mindmaze, from encarta, when I was like 11/12 in 1995/96. It was the only *verybadcough* 'game' on the library pc at the time so played it loads ;]

[@criptin4075]

@@RotoMarzenia If you can find a kind player they will often help you in the earlier grind. Likely because they are lacking active players and the prospect of fresh players is worth the items to them. They should remake the game and scale it down to be more beginner friendly and re-release that version on steam exclusively. Leave the original as the browser based version and work to make it more user friendly and less "grindy". They really could make this into a great game if the time and effort was applied to it.

[@RayearthIX]

A round of applause to Kitteh for getting Josh to the second town. If not for her, Josh would still be at the docks fishing and getting rat teeth and crab claws.

[@uake]

Now i get it. My Dad never quit roleplaying as an alcoholic. Thx Josh.

[@prew_gaming]

😂

[@Dragon-Believer]

My baby's momma

[@ChimeraMK]

LARPing as an Alcoholic is a dangerous path many choose as the line between fantasy and reality become blurred.

[@sweatyslapfight7900]

@@ChimeraMK a lot of stuff gets blurry alright

[@discjockey764]

Watch out for his dragon breath

[@Maddinhpws]

It is funny, in some games he can't find his skills in his spellbook for the first 3 hours, while here he somehow figured out the most overly complicated fucking skillsystem I have ever seen.

[@Mike_Dubayou]

If they kept literally all the skills, and just made it so you didnt have to select them to actively train them, it would be a kick ass system. Instead of meta gaming and using the most efficient gear, you really have to commit your character to one role type. I like it atleast

[@nalcarya]

Probably because he was led to the Wiki pretty early on ^^

[@viorp5267]

Yep. I am getting flashbacks to his Metin 2 video where he never figured out you could get skills in the city center.

[@TheBlackSeraph]

@@Mike_Dubayou yeah I was kinda expecting it to be a use-oriented skill system a la Final Fantasy 2.

[@Thorinox]

It's actually super simple skill system, open it up, read what it says, use spirit or combat trophies and level up said skill.

[@BlackMetal-Clips]

When your game has an Alcoholic class, there is no other option

[@danii8168]

Finally an MMO that appreciates Russians

[@vidmastereon]

I sure hope you can spec into the 'abusive father' class later in the game

[@33melonpaws77]

Abusive drunken Russian father roleplay?

[@kompatybilijny9348]

@@danii8168 More like English tourists

[@Dragon-Believer]

Click your face.

[@rjgraylight]

The thing about this entire video? The early game is actually the easiest and most in-depth. It only gets more grindy as you get to higher levels. There is no story beyond those little blurbs in each new town. And you got lucky with finding a nice person to help you. I've had times when I reached out to the community for help, only to find out that it was extremely toxic and even outright abusive at times.

[@bldontmatter5319]

@RuneLightmage gonna cry?

[@tybyatybyaa7]

As a player who has played this for years... stop playing it now mate. To be able to even consider end game...you need all virtues (30 virtues, 1 TC each...), accel - 15 TC, double accel-25 TC, grindy upgrade thingy when out of RT- 10-15 TC and some legendary gear which costs millions (that you need to grind ofc)... it totals up to around 85-90 TC...5$ each. I only put in about 15-20$ in and got a lot of help from friends and guild... was given several accounts to farm on (back when still legal) and still too much grind. And when you get your amazing gear...you are rewarded by more grind.

[@LoudRevised]

For perspective, 14,970 hours is just under 2 years of ones life.

[@roxef]

nonstop

[@deeli4207]

If it came to Steam in 2008 that works out to something like 20% of the waking hours assuming 8 hours sleeping. That's dedication.

[@Mripoststupidstuff]

The game reviews on steam are short sad stories.

[@skiing4everPS3]

i imagine this guy just had the game open in the background on his computer. Doesn't seem like the game has good afk tracking.

[@Max-mo9xw]

Or- if they played 8 hours a day, 365 days per year.... that's over 5 years straight.

[@insensitive919]

Rule number 9 from the nodiatus forums: "9. Don't make or suggest making the game easier for new players. Nodiatis is not for the weak. An easy beginning makes for pathetic warriors, not worthy of the princess's communions" I guess you're lucky that it offered any tutorial at all. 😅

[@andreasottohansen7338]

Ah yes, clearly someone doesn't get the whole concept of replacing inevitable losses.

[@TheCallOfTheValkyrie]

@@andreasottohansen7338 The dude really didn't understand what happened to Wildstar lmfao

[@larrymantic2635]

Ah, that old “no hand holding” approach!

[@tamasmalovecz7905]

Being hard and forcing new playerrs to grind 10+ hours to reach the second town are two very different things.

[@unnamedenemy9]

gods I hate that kind of attitude. People aren't "weak" for not wanting to play countless hours killing trash mobs in a boring grindfest, they just value their time.

[@ArcadiaP]

If it wasn't tied down as an MMO, cleaned up and maybe not as intensely obtuse on mechanics, it could probably be a good old-fashioned adventure grind to play as.

[@GhostEmblem]

I dunno back when I played I realized very early on I could make multiple accounts and have them all party up cause everyone auto attacks except the mage who needs to select gems... it took me over 6 months to get to the 4th town and even then it was unbelievably grindy I made it to the 5th town before quitting. If you take out the MMO aspect then the grind is too much. Its already arguably its too much even with other players.

[@casedistorted]

Yeah I used to play this game a lot in 2010 and sadly it’s just not that fun without other people to group up with and trade with, etc. It used to have hugely populated servers like ten years ago but it’s all but dead now since this game was impressive for the fact it ran in a browser like RuneScape did.

[@casedistorted]

@@GhostEmblem yes, I played this game with only one account and I didn’t make it past the 2nd or 3rd town. It’s incredibly Grindy and was more of a novelty because it could be played in a browser with other people in a time when snes emulators were all the rage on a laptop with no graphics processor.

[@whitewachtel405]

That's the problem with all these Kickstarter projects. Everyone wants to do the next big MMO without realizing how much work that actually is and that you need a big player base for it to be "massive". Most of these games would work just fine as single player but no, it has to be an MMO. But there is a reason why there are only 3 big MMOs.

[@GhostEmblem]

@@whitewachtel405 What are the 3?

[@crabman3144]

There's another entire system that you missed; the Virtues system, which isn't of much consequence because that entire system only does one thing: Allows you to trade epic-rarity gear on the auction house or player-to-player. Basically, each epic item has virtues attached to it, and while you can receive them and use them without the virtues, you need the virtues to trade them to other players. How do you get virtues? The cash shop.

[@finrod5886]

you forgot the more important part, you get double xp from all virts :p

[@AldmeriExile]

Always look forward to the "out of ten." I've started ranking everything in my life using the Strife Structure.

[@zakanyimen]

I rate this comment: "copying someelse / 10"

[@hase2703]

I rate this comment, Strife Structure/10.

[@AldmeriExile]

@@zakanyimen if someone actually already said this then that’s my bad. I didn’t read through the comments /10

[@vizthex]

lmao nice

[@doctorsno906]

@@AldmeriExile I rate this a Good response / 10

[@FonVegen]

This looks like an amazingly intricate game that I will never in my life have the time or patience to get into.

[@aesonicusgaming3905]

I can't keep away from it TBH.

[@alphaomega8373]

@@aesonicusgaming3905 u will

[@tybyatybyaa7]

@@aesonicusgaming3905 1 year later...you still playing? :D

[@AlphaBiggotz]

The alcoholic "that's all I've got for today, go away now"

[@Thor-Orion]

Ah a fellow Critical Drinker fan. My favorite Scotsman.

[@TobiStarGaming]

a certified Longman guest classic

[@spxke_94]

I'm happy I found this comment. Everything is in its proper place.

[@moldyshishkabob]

Well, this *is* a review for a game... Wouldn't trust anyone else!

[@Mythricia1988]

This was a real blast from the past to watch. I remember playing this in 2008 or something like that. It's an utterly bizarre game... And also quite interesting if you delve into the developer(s?) of the game. I get the impression it's one of those god-complex single person studios that have been developing the "game to end all games" since the mid-90's and somehow doesn't seem to understand how disconnected from the real world they are. And I don't mean out-of-touch, I mean genuinely disconnected from reality in a psychosis sort of way.

[@bldontmatter5319]

The dev is a real nutcase. He scammed a lot of people before this game.

[@DsiakMondala]

@@bldontmatter5319 based un and pfc

[@xXAkirhaXx]

Josh: "An Angel or an Alcoholic, pretty big power difference, so you know which one to pick." Me: "The alcoholic right? Did he present that as a question? It's the alcoholic." Josh: "Of course the alcoholic, he has dragon breath." Me: "My man!"

[@balthazar579]

I guess I need to continue drinking, the present the empty cans at the altar of alcoholism, with foul breath as my active skill to unlock the dragon breath attack. Back to tbe grind.

[@IamaPERSON]

@@balthazar579 I've heard that if you level up enough, you can have it get enemies drunk as well!

[@hase2703]

@@IamaPERSON I heard that if you want to learn the martial art skill, Jackie Chan will be your master.

[@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски]

Nothing can stop you with the mighty power of alcohol coarsing through your veins ! Plus the angel's probably some unknown random noob-level angel never mentioned in the Bible or the Church Fathers, not some St.Michael-tier hero.

[@zevirem9301]

I wanna multiclass as both.

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

Hats of to that player being helpful. Nothing in this game was made better by it being an MMO it could have been an CRPG. Nice video. Keep up the good work.

[@adoringfan1226]

Ah, my favorite full screen main monitor content creator

[@goobermcboogerballs1420]

I must have terrible multi tasking skills, I don't even know how people watch a stream or video and play a game at the same time after a while I don't understand the video and everything just turns to noise lol

[@deadass849]

@@goobermcboogerballs1420 tbh i think its the point of doing that to just have some background noise so it feels less empty

[@chinsehatori5815]

@@goobermcboogerballs1420 I do it while mindlessly grinding away something so the grind turns into noise and I what h the video

[@razielonex2469]

I read your comment in Slippy's voice and now I don't get it out of my head

[@deadass849]

@@razielonex2469 i guess you could say it slipped into your mind

[@krs4395]

This video reminds me of both why I have fond memories of Nodiatis and why I stopped playing Nodiatis.

[@aesonicusgaming3905]

When you play the game of nodiatis you either take breaks, or you quit forever.....

[@alphaomega8373]

@@aesonicusgaming3905 Taking forever breaks.

[@Gorbz]

This sounds like an isekai anime waiting to happen. "I reincarnated in another world, but can't leave the starting town"

[@Evaldo_Souza]

Now I want to read a Isekai like this 😞

[@Sherolox]

Then the main character meets a potential love interest, Kitteh, a neko. I think that’s all I need to say.

[@reaperx7026]

@@Sherolox hell yeah I want a kitteh in my life who will show me wth I'm doing wrong with my life🤣

[@Maddinhpws]

Sorta like "I've been killing slimes for 300 years and become the strongest mage"

[@scottpilgrimpwns]

That'd be a funny twist on the isekai genre, reincarnation into a video game fantasy world but the game is so poorly made and garbage that trying to figure out just the mechanics and how to get out of the starter town is a journey in itself

[@KindredDoomBot]

Listening to you explain the skill system and leveling process made me actually feel like I have played this game for years when I'm actuality, I never heard of it until now lol.

[@firebat36]

This is honestly the most interesting game you've review so far. If I try one bad MMO you have reviewed, its gonna be this one.

[@Valkbg]

Otherland is also a quite interesting

[@Xantium0]

Same

[@casedistorted]

I used to plat this game all the time in my browser back in 2009 or 2010

[@gibbcharron3469]

@@Valkbg Haven't they shut that down by now?

[@belstar1128]

This game looks hard core as heck but i am already playing too many mmos to be fair a lot of the "worst mmos" seem like they had a lot of potential but became pay2win or made some huge mistakes.

[@okanerenli]

As a game developer wanna be , your videos are enlightening me. Also I'm usually see "burn the game" type of videos but yours are far from it. That's why I thank you for your approach. You always showed respect for the hard work and ideas.. even games couldn't manage to succeed in anyway.

[@vitaliykormov1266]

Also game dev here. I use Josh’s videos as a game design course because I can’t afford a real one lol

[@PhriekshoTV]

Dark Swords is another screen to screen fantasy MMO that generally is more accessible. Might try that for the series lmao

[@schulle3689]

If it is intricate and not that overly grindy in the start I probably give it a try. Otherwise I first need get rid of my family,my Job and probably the need to intake food,thanks for the suggestion

[@PhriekshoTV]

@@schulle3689 it's definitely more accessible. Helpful community and something you can play in bursts

[@Horusskun]

Holy shit, someone actually have heard of it besides me lmao

[@fang4223]

Thanks for reviewing this one, Josh. I agree wholeheartedly there are a lot of issues here that are marring what would otherwise be a great experience. Because of that my expectations were tempered when I went in and I was able to enjoy it more then I would have if I had just stumbled upon it and I think I’m willing to invest a lot of time into this one myself. I honestly expected it to be even worse the other appears here as there are some easy solutions to a few of the issues that came up here, and they were genuinely pleasant surprises. I don’t post or say this out of spite, mind. I’m genuinely thankful. I’ve been looking for a slow burn game that really requires me to rely more on the mind then on the twitch reflexes that are leaving me as my MS progresses. Again, wholeheartedly, thank you.

[@zionne2716]

Still cant get over the otherland series. Amazing.

[@Mripoststupidstuff]

Wait till you see otherworld.

[@tineye5100]

Made me decide to read the novel. Tad Williams is a solid author.

[@nakenmil]

Hell yeah, that was a journey.

[@DaRealKakarroto]

@@Mripoststupidstuff Yes, waiting right now is the total correct choice of words.

[@vizthex]

ikr

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Okay, that is one of the really old school RPGs. Almost like a TTRPG, but instead of having the computer help you with all the dice rolls and modifiers and numbers it still is your job to do all that stuff.

[@aesonicusgaming3905]

I've been playing nodiatis since 2008, it is a game that is very relaxing to just "grind". It is also a game that takes a long time to become an elitest, i'd say there are less than 5 people that are truly capped at end game. For most people this is a game where you should focus on your own gains, and not compare vs other players who have been playing for 10+ years. I myself am still 2-3 years from being capped. If you want to be competitive as a new player expect to spend a lot of money. If you're looking to do it my way with a lot of patience, after you get to the softcap of lvl 85 and can grind out enough gold ever 10 days to buy a time card to maintain premium status you can play for free. I myself spent a lot in the past, but for the past 8 years haven't spent anything. The skill system is very in depth, and the end game legendary weapons/armor/classes make it so you can do all sorts of interesting builds. So if you like theory crafting, and are patient this is a great game. If you are impatient it will feel like garbage. (PS. In combat if you want to see your gem description hold shift and hover over) EDIT: Also for you new players that are going to just start the game, Lvl up slashing skill to 2, get the Rare grass sword from the general store, then lvl up armor class to 3 and get a full set of woven silk armor. With your spirit trophies get some levels into sorcery 5-10 and then get some white and green magic, so that you can buy some heal gems. Blessed Healing, (white magic) from the petshop and Gaia's blessing (green magic) from the Inn are what i recommend. Should allow you to get to lvl 10ish Good Luck and Have Fun

[@evilherodiamondcat]

Do you recommend this game to people? Is it worth investing the time in?

[@aesonicusgaming3905]

@@evilherodiamondcat Depends on the people. Like i said it is a very grindy game, and takes a lot of patience. But if you like thinking about builds theory crafting its a great game that i've enjoyed for over a decade. There are many great people in the community, tbh feels like a family now with some of them.

[@Xantium0]

I almost want to try this now xd

[@aesonicusgaming3905]

@@Xantium0 Its worth a shot, just know that starting out is slow paced. Ask questions in chat, as a lot of skills may be hard to understand and/or aren't explained very intuitively

[@AbaddonOnGanja]

People who play this game have no respect for their own time or themselves.

[@SilverionX]

I was sort of entertaining running this in the background for the passive gain for a few weeks until I saw a comment that said my character will be deleted if I'm not on for three months. As someone who binge plays a game and then doesn't play for months or possibly years before looping back, this is very unappealing. I understand why they're doing it, but knowing I have to log in at set intervals or lose all progression is low key stressful. If I wanted stress I'd just return to my physical life, I play games for fun. EDIT: I also think this game sounds a lot better when being described because I like complex systems. This video is 8 hours cut down to 30 minutes of gameplay. It would be a mistake to try this... or would it? But no, I know I'm going to be bored very soon, I really don't like grinding... but what if? No, this is the road to madness. I'm talking myself into this. I'm not doing it. *Insert gif of that woman trying Kombucha for the first time*

[@kyotheman69]

man this takes me back, i always found these RPG's pretty hard there was so much micro managing and need draw maps just to navigate

[@christopherthomas9218]

Listening to Josh explain the skills, i was waiting for him to say "hopefully you got all of that because it will be on the final exam" like a teacher lol

[@notsae66]

I don't mind a little grind in a game, but even just hearing about this second hand makes me feel tired and frustrated. I've never so much as touched this game, but I already second hand hate it from this video alone. Ugh, I can feel the misery of this agonizing grind.

[@criptin4075]

Its a fun game, IF you enjoy the combat system.

[@brunobruno-c1d]

the sad part is that people will gladly praise such grind, even tho often it adds nothing yeah some grind to make the game feel rewarding is fine, but some games go so overboard, and yet you'll see comments saying how the game is great and its your fault for not getting it

[@alexandreiss0agr276]

@@brunobruno-c1d idk man, never played this game , but I kinda like to grind .. I've mainly played metin2 / tibia, exactly because of that .. feeling the rates getting in your side with drops falling the more you hunt is somehow fascinating lol

[@Caesar-LXIX]

​@@alexandreiss0agr276 your comment is gonna cause me nightmares

[@Jrock420blam]

this game is the peak of grind games, the endgame is grind, the start and mid game is grind, you grind so you can grind and then grind some more. There is no story, no content, there is only the grinding. What makes this game particularly bad is there is no story, characters, lore nothing like that in game to go with the grind. No, no, they cut all that out and just left grinding.

[@Iridescence93]

Sounds like a game that would have come with a book-size manual back in the day that you absolutely had to read. Not going to lie it sounds kind of intriguing to me....

[@AbaddonOnGanja]

Play legends of grimrock instead. Or CDDA for an old school RPG.or any number of other games. just not this one

[@aesonicusgaming3905]

Once you get in and understand how things work, its pretty fun.

[@Iridescence93]

@@aesonicusgaming3905 Yeah, I tried it out. I think he overdid how bad the UI is, I didn't find it that hard to figure out. Sure the early game is pretty repetitive but seems like the deep skill system might really open up things later. as far as interesting builds. for what it is it seems like an interesting game although not being able to resize the game window is a definite pain.

[@finrod5886]

there is a player made beginners guide that walks people through various mechanics of the game on the wiki. its quite extensive.

[@shabath]

@@finrod5886 If people need a wiki to even undestand the mechanics, you have failed as a developer.

[@AunCollective]

I remembered the name of this game and that I played it. I also remembered that it had a lot that I should have liked but didn't play it for long. I remember why now.. that UI is so painful, especially when you have to do repetitive actions just to progress to any small degree in anything. I still play Eye of the Beholder, Dungeon Master, Amberstar, and other classic dungeon crawler RPGs and really don't have an issue with any of them. I even played Dark Swords for quite a few hours on Steam. Khan and Florensia I do remember. I stuck with Florensia a bit longer because of the promise of sailing. Hopefully Dark Swords is on your list. It's another inspired-by-classics MMO. Be ready to edit, though. It uses multiple separate windows for holding information.

[@glenmoody-elias1040]

I actually remember playing this, and getting to like... level 12. Honestly, I liked a lot of elements in this game, but the numbers and the grind worked against it. I want to see this done again, but good. I want to optimize my gem pouches like I'm playing Battle Network. I'd love to dabble in menus upon menus of skills. I don't even mind how it looks. Just... misses the mark for how grindy it is, early.

[@glenmoody-elias1040]

@Colin Deal You underestimate what I'll do for a decent real-time card game. One Step from Eden was a glorious game.

[@Caphalem]

The developer of this game seriously needs to spend time looking into game design and user experience (UX) best practices. They've got something here that has potential.

[@Nerobyrne]

I agree, with a bit of help I think this could really turn into a great classic gaming experience. I actually really like the way combat works, and how you move around the over-world. One thing that needs to happen is WAY more location screens. It really kills the exploration vibe if you go to a new city and it's exactly like the first.

[@Mikcha212]

The developer of the game, is Glitchless. It’s 1 man. They have 2 games they are running right now. They are actually working on a “seigecraft” update to the game that’s going to be a major overhaul. But it’s been a while because he’s 1 man.

[@Caphalem]

@@Mikcha212 Hats off to that person for coming this far

[@finrod5886]

@@Mikcha212 the team is greater than just jeff for a long time now. still a small team but its not 1 person.

[@finrod5886]

@@Nerobyrne he showed the first two towns and they are basically the same, there are bigger differences in other towns. it just takes awhile to get to more of em

[@luciandrakaris6603]

"It gets better 100 hours in!" ;D XD

[@ticler]

That launcher is the best I have ever seen! It pops up instantly rather than AAA launcher taking five minutes to update themselves every other day.

[@Oskanwhitchfather]

Josh, you can see what your gems do in combat by hovering over them AND holding either shift or control. I forget which, my internet hasn't been the best, so I haven't been able to play in a few months.

[@AshernCaelia]

How bad is your internet to be unable to play a game as un-intensive as this?

[@Oskanwhitchfather]

@@AshernCaelia 256KB/s download speed on a mobile hotspot. The lag on Nodiatis is unplayable.

[@Thorinox]

You also got to remember, this was NOT meant to be a high end MMO, and its from 2008, so it has some age. And ill tell you right off the bat, you WILL NOT max out a character within a month without it being absolute trash and this is a grind fest style of a game. I still play it from time to time now too still, even after 13 years, and with having 5 characters at soft cap 85 and 2 at hard cap of 90 (getting from 85-90 can take year or more (unless you had a huge amount of Timecards) because of how little of exp you get, you lose like 90% exp gain or something like that. Only truly hardcore players like I was did it all the way to 90) And for your character class, there is a main learning curve of what to level and what not to level up in. You can also click on the speaker and note icons, to change sounds to on or off or in-between. To those that want to play, the moment your able to right click the screen and bring up the menu, TURN OFF the stat cycling, it will help and allow you to choose between what stat you want to focus on yourself. As for getting trophies, you will eventually over time, and hard work, (or a bit of money), can upgrade your account, which will allow you to spend your daily time faster and thus getting more of the drops as a result. Correction, you do not have to kill all the bosses, the only boss that is required is the dock and troll bridge. Majority of the rest are not required to be killed, but some are a MUST because they will drop special travel gear in order to help you progress along. As for the Gems and Weapons etc. in a shop, they are based on character level/Tier/Rank level, and the ones as the very bottom/next page, are items membership players have sold to the store. As for the reason why say Grass Sword is lvl2 and the next is lvl14, is because you need to go to another town that is based closer to that level to get to that next sword, but there are only so many towns, so they have higher level items there as well for you to travel back to, thus leveling your traveling and such. And as to 14k hours, I have put in at least triple that, I would prove it if I could, but this game only game to Steam recently, I use to play it by webpage and then download. As to not being able to open a chest more then once in a 15 second time span was due to late game boss killing where you could make an absurd amount of gold, which lead to botting, to correct that, they made it where you can only open one every 15 seconds. Oh awesome, Kitty to the rescue, she is an old time player too. Always willing to help others as well. (and those time cards are IRL cash based, but can be sold in game for over 1.4mil? I know its something like that, last I seen was 1.2mil each.) You wanna try to use your whole stack of trophies, double click to lift the whole stack and it will drop all that your able to at the skill level you have it at. Any other question, feel free to ask, and ill answer them to the best I can.

[@Jrock420blam]

That is crazy, I used to think Runescape, Everquest and WoW felt grindy back in the early 2000's but this from the late 2000's puts them to shame. The gameplay and story is literally grinding as the mechanic, I've never seen a game value their players time as little as this game does.

[@Thorinox]

@@Jrock420blam Some people like me found it worth the challenge though, a few people I know, went beyond anyone and maxed out there passive time on every single skill by booning, booning is where you start your character all over but the total amount of exp will give you the chance to fix or make your character better, faster. A lot of people will grind out all the useless skills to their character level to build up as much exp as possible till they had an average of 10-15 million total and restart to get a good new start.

[@Jrock420blam]

@@Thorinox It's certainly interesting to challenge oneself to see how long they can stand grinding in a game. When talking challenge usually one thinks about difficulty like Dark Souls or speed running, using weaker weapons etc it take a certain type of person to find a challenge in how long they can stomach a game that doesn't have anything to provide other than grinding and I am glad there is something to provide people with a game they like even if I can't understand. What makes games like Nodiatis particularly bad IMO is the fact there is nothing past the grind but more grind. Most grind games have some sort of lore, story, character interaction etc even if it's not masterfully written there is at least an attempt. I feel like 14 years is enough time to add some sort of lore or story or interaction.

[@Thorinox]

@@Jrock420blam That I do agree with the lore and when it comes to the grind, it's about the late game, eventually you could grind on mobs that are up to level 140 and you being 85 if you want or go for the gold at 90.

[@gbuttersland7757]

The Patreon list never fails to both amaze and crack me up.

[@Bamgbamgbamg]

could you explain?

[@esmerylan]

@@Bamgbamgbamg He just keeps making it smaller as more patrons are added. It's been shrinking deeper into illegibility for months now.

[@VeryProfessionalGamer]

Can’t be long now and he will have to do a second page

[@Bamgbamgbamg]

@@esmerylan kk, thanks for the explanation

[@alexreilly6121]

In this one its the score he gives that makes me lol ;]

[@imperfectango]

I Just got a pesky eye surgery and I can barely look at a screen, his videos are the only ones that help me relax, while I listen to them with eyes closed.

[@studiesinflux1304]

We need a montage of games that crash trying to install or start

[@Sherolox]

Great game! I can’t even play it, Won’t start out of 10!

[@mafiousbj]

18:14 That guy literally played for 611 entire days....damn I love videogames but some people need help

[@mysticolored]

Despite the convoluted systems, the game seems pretty in depth and something I would like to play if I had no other choices. Its one of those games where your playthrough will be many hours like old school RPG which I appreciate, it makes you seem like you are living along in the world ,and living a "2nd life" Good thing about these games there will always be someone else willing to help you out, especially with the small community. They just want to make sure you have the best first experience in the game. Thanks Kitty! also the alcoholic class is hilarious.

[@casedistorted]

Yes this was a game you played on a laptop with no graphics card back in 2009 or 2010, I played it a lot back then because the servers were very full. Now there’s so much better stuff so it’s almost totally dead, but at the time it was unique and fun. We also had RuneScape though too..

[@planescaped]

@@casedistorted Seriously, games like these are almost wholly obsolete these days. They had a time and a place back in the 00's and early 2010's, but now there is zero reason to play them. I can only assume the people who stick around playing them do so out of obligation over anything else.

[@charlsbrick9036]

I have been watching your videos for a little over a month now, and I have loved them. Today, this video is what made me subscribe. What was it that pushed me over the edge? I finally, FINALLY, received the last 'LIKE' I needed to go back to the Alter of Subs and level up my 'MMO Appreciation' score to five. But really, I love the content you produce. You're the first and only person I have chosen to have notifications turned on for, and I know I won't regret it. Keep up the great work!

[@dgq1940]

Oh yeah, finally a game having Ol' Man Henderson as a playable class. Main question is whether you can multi into Noble Angel Alcoholic

[@alexandrupatru2892]

Yes. You can get a 2nd class at level 40.

[@Faction.Paradox]

If I ever made an RPG the first quest would be "Find 99 Chicken's Teeth"

[@bangormc3rd562]

The class disparity reminds of the Mitchell and Web skit: "Angel Summoner and BMX Bandit" One can summon angels... the other rides a BMX.

[@FinchesFables]

Thank you for unearthing this memory

[@nodvick]

I feel like I played this as a fully custom-built MUD in the 90's (as in, one that was written from the ground up instead of using a base build of lpmud/dikumud/smaug/etc) I remember being overwhelmingly impressed by the work put into it but had a hard time getting into it because it was slow even for a mud

[@Shindo13371]

Was gonna say I was getting some Tempered Steel vibes.

[@princessharley4771]

Literally one person made this game… from the ground up.

[@nodvick]

@@Shindo13371 sounds about right, but if I recall correctly, tempered steel was an Smaug mud... I may have even built a training grounds puzzle and maze area for them... I might be thinking of the wrong one though. This video reminds me of one that wasn't running smaug, lpmud, diku, rom or any of those frameworks though, was full custom in C with scripting akin to lua+javascript (but not actually lua/javascript) can't recall the name at all though

[@nodvick]

​@@princessharley4771 there are several game engines centered around this style of game, but even with no engine at all, this type of game actually takes a lot less effort than a full custom mud, and even than a good smaug or lp mud

[@naota3k]

I think Kitteh was the best part of this game.

[@swordmonkey6635]

She should be elevated to deity status after being so helpful to a stranger.

[@finrod5886]

@@swordmonkey6635 she is always nice :p

[@frey5218]

Yeah. No one's gonna mention how they helped him lol. Praise Kitteh :D

[@Nerobyrne]

Reminds me of a game called "Gondal", which was kind of like this, except it's a German browser game. I played it a lot during the old days when online games were just starting out. It's still active, and it actually has a story. It even has a random story generator for each and every quest you do. It's really nice, albeit a bit dated. Combat is super boring though, it uses the old "wait for the quest to finish and then an auto-battle happens" mechanic that a ton of old browser games used.

[@RIlianP]

14.970 hours equals roughly 624 days which is close to 2 years of play, grinding fanatic indeed

[@aesonicusgaming3905]

thats not even that much, the OP toons have around 40-80k hrs invested

[@Kalevdraus]

@@aesonicusgaming3905 what the *fuck*

[@sinine1100]

Or you can be like me and discover you alt-tabbed out of something two weeks ago....

[@kevin537]

There are idle mechanics and it is low resource use. A lot of players probably leave it in the background, swap over and play for a few minutes, then tab back to what they were doing before

[@finrod5886]

i go months without closing any of my windows, the resource use when not actively playing is almost nothing. ill have several running while playing other games with no issues.

[@MadScientist212]

Wow this sounds like the type of game I could really get into potentially. I used to play a lot of 4x games that were pretty complicated and spreadsheety so I don't mind that aspect. But I don't have the time to get into a big time sink right now (even with my tried and true "listen to podcasts or videos that don't require me to see what's happening while doing grindy stuff" method of making tedious elements less tedious). But if I ever do decide to play this in the future, at least I have this video to help me get an idea of how the underexplained systems work. So thanks for that, and for the entertaining video.

[@aesonicusgaming3905]

Do it to it.

[@sti_clone3840]

This was the game I spent many hours in school playing lol

[@Frostgnaw]

I love games that have talent trees and stats/specializations, as well as the freedom to choose what to do when leveling up. I love Dragon Age Origins and WoW for those reasons. This game fits that criteria for me and it ould've been fun as well, given a different set up.

[@bannin]

Love the princess voice work, it sounds like something out of Dark Souls. And the starting town makes me think of Cassardis from Dragon's Dogma. Just that this game did it first, heh. Something about this game tells me it should have been single player game. The world and artwork look intriguing enough and I like little quirks like those weird classes and even the font colouring. If it had just an even moderately interesting story and lore to boot, I'd check it out in a heartbeat.

[@R3AL-AIM]

These videos are really getting me back into games from my childhood or getting me to revisit decent ones is missed with the wave of others watching. It's nice.

[@deeliriyum]

I played this game like eons ago and I'm shocked to see that it hasn't changed a single bit since then. I remember I somehow managed to reach second town at which point I quit.

[@Tyrian3k]

1:20 Awww, and here I am, wanting to see you play Florensia. I remember the boats.

[@rexex345]

Honestly? That font colour thing sounds amazing... As someone who up till recently suffered from a neurological disorder that made normal text colours blend into invisibility (thank you FF14 for curing that... I'm not even joking btw) this seems like the exact thing I'd want as an accessibility option

[@TheZenytram]

what ??? is it not normally hard for everybody to read blocks of text ????? as in the lines blending into a single shape if you dont focus.

[@rexex345]

@@TheZenytram try having a book handed to you and all the pages are blank. Not blurred or blocks, completely blank except for any illustrated parts. The condition basically caused my brain to look at text, struggle to interpret it, especially in black on white, given up and edit it out.

[@Sherolox]

@@rexex345 It’s interesting to read up on this, as someone who suffers from astigmatism (I hope that is the right word). For me, precise lines and curves, as are common in text, look washed out and blurry. I can not imagine how it must feel to have text vanish entirely from a solid background.

[@rexex345]

@@Sherolox yeah what I have is irlen's syndrome, the standard treatment being the use of specially tinting lenses or overlays... The issue is as my brain gets used to a tint it becomes useless and the tint needs changing, which means finding the new tint that eases the disorder. How FF14 treated it was by doing the raids, I was forcing my brain to have to pick out those details and text by necessity... Which ironically on my end was just an aweful experience. But the end result was that now if I see text without a tint it's not being edited out cause my brain is now trained to look for that hard to see detail... I've not really cured it, so much as trained myself to override the instinct to edit it out.

[@Skrill99]

@@rexex345 That's pretty cool

[@scotch4890]

I knew I recognized the dev, I played their first browser game Race war kingdoms, game name didn’t age well I know, back in 01. This game is definitely in their style

[@maltardraco9555]

Suggestion for worst MMO ever: Spiral Knights. Used to play it back when it had regular updates.

[@ognotapussyslayer5917]

I know a dude who plays who's pretty famous in game. Supposedly it's full of Spanish and Portuguese speakers now after updates killed it

[@MarsyTea]

Good suggestion

[@Vertraic]

Wait... What the heck? 28:53, 5th option from the bottom... WHY is there a "Golden Showers Options" listed?!?!

[@ericsmith1517]

amazing that you have so many problems just launching these that you need _several_ backup choices

[@criptin4075]

Just play it in the browser. It was designed for that originally circa 2010.

[@zarakikon6352]

He was smart enough to come prepared 😆👍.

[@ionfalcom1]

The alchoholic is actually a drunken fist monk, the angel is just a crazy person that painted themselves blue and passes themselves off as a Planetar

[@TheGateShallStand]

Really like the idea of the leveling system, perhaps because I'm a huge nerd for overly complicated systems I spend 3 hours going through to check what liquid I drank ten seconds ago, but at least the combat and everything else balances that out by being mediocre in both combat system and graphical system (for what it's trying to accomplish) I wonder what he would think about Caves Of Qud?

[@bloodrunsclear]

This is the only dark and serious RPG…that refers to you companions as ‘Buddies’

[@thatchanguy]

It’s like this game was designed by a pedantic engineer who never consulted a designer. Systems? Check. Fun? …

[@rolfs2165]

From a storytelling perspective, the leveling system sounds really great - but from a gameplay perspective it's headache-inducingly complicated.

[@criptin4075]

Its a really old game. That is why they made the choices they did.

[@youtube-kit9450]

@@criptin4075 Nodiatis was released in 2008, not 1980. We had lots of better options even back then. This plays like some overly convoluted 80's RPG or something. If this *had* been actually released in the 80s, then sure, it's a "really old game" and the "choices they made" would make sense, but for a game in the late 00s, it's really not an excuse you can use.

[@brunobruno-c1d]

@@youtube-kit9450 im pretty sure that even some games from the 80 had more shame & wouldnt make it as needlessily complicated

[@inesschneider9350]

Always happy to see something new of my favorite british guy ^^

[@aurondoxon3805]

26:43 even the princess is surprised you made it through the grind

[@balthazar579]

When an OSRS player says your game is too grindy, your game is too grindy.

[@hisammy3969]

I had to scroll way too far down to find a RuneScape comment

[@ShadowRevenant]

One thing that wasn't mentioned, and I have no idea if this changed at all, is a little key info about "Unpaid Accounts". There was once a time when you would get incentivized into logging on or spending money in the worst way possible: you would be told your character would get deleted if you didn't log in within a certain amount of time, this could be avoided by spending money on a Time Card at least once iirc. That's right, spend money to make sure your account stays around and isn't lost forever. It's a good game if you can get into it, just be careful as the monetization is a bit more than slightly predatory imo.

[@NightUndead]

I remember trying this YEARS ago... Around the time when it was released while I was playing the company's previous game "Race War Kingdoms". That was a browser game purely html/script based, and that game is probably very close to as grindy as this too. And it too can be a HUGE money sink.

[@elisamelchiott9653]

Im the only one who gets excited about how small the patreon names will get? Great videos - cant wait to see more old games on the other channel :D

[@pbear1988]

Hope Destiny 2 gets an entry in the series. I love the game but want to see what you think about it.

[@biogopher]

Shout outs to Kitty, the real hero of this story

[@wythore]

As a portuguese I can confirm, our biggest fear is that Castille is the last bastion of humanity in the near future

[@RandoMattz]

your "out of 10" outro are gettin better and better :D

[@vbun4662]

It's an interesting case because it feels like an obvious passion project. Like an example of a dev going "I'm creating the kind of game I want to play, this is art". And I'd even want to defend it as art, be the kind of person saying "yea that's the point" when talking about the rough elements and the grindy nature or even the obscure convoluted class system. But then they go and charge monthly premiums and it stops looking as artsy and more like a business. And if you're selling a product you should probably try and make it more appealing otherwise it just feels like a guy taking advantage of a few fans.

[@Evaldo_Souza]

Just playing devil's advocate here, don't take me wrong. I don't see it being a "take advantage of a few fan's" type of thing, although I may be wrong. It sounded to me more like a club, were someone with the knowledge takes care of organization, and the rest pays some compensation for the time and effort. I have seen similar things in martial arts, music, cosplay and student organizations. I found it hard to think that a dev who takes control of a boss and challenge players is just taking advantage off then. Again, I maybe wrong, haven't played the game.

[@aesonicusgaming3905]

@@Evaldo_Souza Exactly, this is a game that fills a niche for a lot of people, that other games can't fill. Which is why i've played it for over a decade.

[@ArawnNox]

You said headphone warning. I moved my headphones away from my ears. I was still deafened.

[@kae5717]

I love watching your content even though I don't play MMOs because I hope to develop my own games one day and your commentary is an excellent education. I'm also glad this game has a kind playerbase, at least

[@TheHikariOne]

I made a comment similar to this a while ago, but when I first ran into you, you had 97K subscribers. Now you're a few shy of 300K -- on track to match other major MMO channels. It's well deserved.

[@SugarFreeGaming]

Finally a game I can actually feel immersed and be the best alcoholic I can be

[@confitao]

The princess sounds like the doll in the hunter’s dream from Bloodborne, and now I am booting that game cause why the fuck not

[@current9300]

I would be very much down for this kind of a game as more contained and less grindy single player experience. I love pulp inspired retro fantasy aesthetics, and wish it would be a more popular art and story direction.

[@destroyerinazuma96]

Thumbnail reminded me of the covers of the Gor book series. I once scrolled through some pages of volume one and my jaw fell on the floor.

[@markedforstrike]

I was done on random face selection. This is pure absurd

[@Xix1326]

Yes! I did play Eye of the Beholder on the Amiga! Wizardry was Apple IIE, I believe. I can't remember it being on the Amiga.

[@Thronnos]

You know, the type of community that literally helps you makes this game somewhat appealing. Might check it out to see what the community is about.

[@TalonRaider]

The community is so into it that they came together and created a mapping system and player help page called Nod tools

[@KoffinKat]

Huh, this used to be a browser game that I played like fifteen years ago, for like fifteen minutes. I remember really liking the vibe, but utterly failing to understand it. Fifteen years ago, I wasn't very clever :D

[@baldur8309]

Been Binging You're Otherland series such an interesting documentory

[@abadidea9325]

Wouldn’t measuring in units of rocks be the equivalent of stones and sand that of grains?

[@SawErKulbain]

Now im sad i forgot my login cause i used to grind this game way way back

[@Doddleran]

You got me playing and now I have it on in the background when playing ff14...