Crossfire RSSI not 99? And LQ (2:100 WTF even is that?

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Joshua Bardwell

Joshua Bardwell

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@shaggy69001
@shaggy69001 3 жыл бұрын
literally just got my crossfire rssi wokring, im like whys it so low? This video comes on autoplay and i hear your voice in the other room talking about my exact issue. What a hero
@zacjohnson8404
@zacjohnson8404 3 жыл бұрын
google algorithm knows you well.... a little too well.
@christiancollado2937
@christiancollado2937 4 жыл бұрын
Damn! No LQ on DJI yet. I just got crossfire and was looking forward to 99% RSSI forever.
@HDgodfrey
@HDgodfrey 4 жыл бұрын
What am amazing WSU to describe RSSI vs LQ. Never heard a more apt description than the concert and quiet room. Nailed it
@flyinginbraillefpv1819
@flyinginbraillefpv1819 4 жыл бұрын
I'm soooo glad you made a video about this. I literally just got crossfire yesterday and I thought I had done something wrong somehow! This is a huge relief!
@TheBigRat770
@TheBigRat770 4 жыл бұрын
What was yours showing? I was showing 40-60 rssi even up close lol
@flyinginbraillefpv1819
@flyinginbraillefpv1819 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheBigRat770 same here
@TheBigRat770
@TheBigRat770 4 жыл бұрын
Flying In Braille FPV Do you still fly with RSSI on on your OSD or just LQ?
@flyinginbraillefpv1819
@flyinginbraillefpv1819 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheBigRat770 just lq otherwise I get false warnings.
@TheBigRat770
@TheBigRat770 4 жыл бұрын
@@flyinginbraillefpv1819 Thank you!🤙
@moblades1
@moblades1 4 жыл бұрын
So confusing as I am still getting used to Crossfire... but I think you helped simplify it for me and I know what to watch for now. Thanks JB.
@DeanChapmanFPV
@DeanChapmanFPV 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this Joshua because it blew my mind 🤯 spent good few hours hunting that 99 Listen to that radio for low RF alarm , turn round come back 👍🏻
@Gereon_
@Gereon_ 3 жыл бұрын
Everytime I'm having a question about FPV theres a video from you answering it. So great, thanks so much!
@FundamentallyFresh
@FundamentallyFresh 4 жыл бұрын
You always have the video and info I need. Thanks for being so thorough and informative. I’ve learned SO much from your content.
@BruceLuckcuck
@BruceLuckcuck 4 жыл бұрын
I can't tell you what calculation Crossfire is doing when it outputs RSSI on an aux channel - you'll have to ask TBS about this. When Betaflight gets the RSSI directly from the CRSF link statistics frame it's supplied as dBm with a documented range of -130 to 0. Betaflight scales this range from 0 to 100% and that's the RSSI value presented.
@jaysrmc
@jaysrmc 3 жыл бұрын
Too bad you can't reply with helpful information like this without blowing up on a 13 year old on Facebook.
@omegron6000
@omegron6000 4 жыл бұрын
im also glad you made this video, i started to get really confused about all the different rssi values, but since i had my first fail-save with crossfire after flying not more then half a km (although it was quite close to a cellphone antenna tower) after flashing the new firmware on it, im not convinced its actually the same reception as before (cuz i flew there before and never had any issues and also i was glad GPS rescue worked and the quad came back to me). about half a year ago i came to the conclusion that lq is more important then all the other values but i still left them in the osd just out of curiosity and when i did my record-distance-flight (5.34km as of now) the values stayed fairly consistent and in a range that id expect but then other times they seem to jump around randomly even if im much closer and also pretty much direct los, so .... also im starting to get very annoyed about the tango 2 telling me "sensor lost" ALL THE TIME and Ive wrote tbs about it and the only response was an explanation of what that meant (it loses signal with one or more telemetry sensors due to the fact that telemetry on the nano rx is only sent at very low tx powers) and the only solution to the problem i found so far is changing the wav file to an empty one, but that's not really a solution... even though crossfire is (in my humble opinion) far superior then anything else on the market, that's somewhat decently priced, im starting to get a bit pissed of by all the annoyances it caused me the last couple of months.
@TheAnderyes
@TheAnderyes 4 жыл бұрын
hey @Omegron, about your "sensor lost" problem, I think it may be related to the "telemetry lost" problem wich is solved by changing a transistor in your taranis. Crossfire now send with their transmitter the piece you have to install on the mother board of the taranis. Here a tuto about it : www.wearefpv.fr/tuto-crossfire-taranis-qx7-20180726/ (sorry it's in french but that's for sure you can find many in english). But maybe you've already done that and your problem comes from something else... And about your failsafe near a cellphone antenna, it happened to me too ! At less than 200m away. I suppose we should avoid flying around those.
@BBFPV
@BBFPV 4 жыл бұрын
I have the same problem. Did you find out which sensor it should be or is it a general telemetry problem? After I attached all antennas vertically it got a little better, but now it says telemetry lost / telemetry recovered. This short-range error is known, read the description of the Diamond antenna.
@omegron6000
@omegron6000 4 жыл бұрын
Well, i sure dont hope i have to tinker with my fairly new tbs tango 2 and back when i used the taranis x9d+ with the crsf module i never had this issue (because i didnt use telemetry at all😅) And no i dont know wich sensor this causes but it would be lovely to be able to turn telemetry sensors on and off individually. Or at least disable the alarm without having to change .wav files
@BBFPV
@BBFPV 4 жыл бұрын
@@omegron6000 In openTX you can disable single sensors, but need to know which one. A friend asked me yesterday why his GPS is constantly losing satellites. Although he now has the latest and best spectrum receiver with strong telemetry transmission power 🤦‍♂️. We have very small problems compared. That's why I haven't tried "force Telemetry" yet, but maybe that will help. I guess that the sensor does not disappear but that it is simply no longer possible to transfer all values.
@omegron6000
@omegron6000 4 жыл бұрын
@@BBFPV thanks for the info (didnt know i could do that), ill try disabling different sensors and see wich one causes the issue.
@tilgare
@tilgare 3 жыл бұрын
Every time I have a random issue with my quad, I do a Google search and invariably, Joshua Bardwell has already answered it. Thank God for you, Joshua Bardwell.
@adnamamedia
@adnamamedia 4 жыл бұрын
2:18 shoutout to the bug flying in the background.
@tb6638
@tb6638 4 жыл бұрын
JB made the fly from breaking bad into a real thing!
@daemn42
@daemn42 4 жыл бұрын
Those of us using DJI can't just ignore the weird RSSI behavior and use LQ. Only the selected RSSI channel, or default RSSI (when channel selection is disabled) goes into the MSP telemetry stream that DJI uses to display on the OSD I went the disabled RSSI channel route, and set the RSSI scaling factor in the cli to 125% which makes the new lower values seem a little more normal. FWIW, LQ is great at telling you if you're battling external RFI but at the true limit of range it may drop rather abruptly. I prefer the more gradual fall-off of Rf RSSI and find it more useful for detecting issues with Tx or Rx antennas or connectors (will see low RSSI from the moment of launch, rather than a sudden drop in LQ a few hundred feet out).
@sorrycharlie1736
@sorrycharlie1736 4 жыл бұрын
This is interesting. I’ve got LQ working on DJI by selecting LQ on the RX and RSSI on betaflight OSD, but like you say it can be at 100 and them drop very suddenly, I do prefer a more gradual falloff so I can more easily gauge if I should consider turning around or gaining altitude. How did you apply the change you mention?
@ConnectWithCain
@ConnectWithCain 4 жыл бұрын
daemn42 As a fellow DJI user, I have been struggling to get lq displayed in my OSD. How exactly did you set it up in order to get that data? Thank you in advance.
@daemn42
@daemn42 4 жыл бұрын
@@ConnectWithCain I think that's a question for @Sorry Charlie above, who says he got it working. I use RSSI, and prefer it over LQ.
@ConnectWithCain
@ConnectWithCain 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry Charlie As a fellow DJI user, I have been struggling to get lq displayed in my OSD. How exactly did you set it up in order to get that data? Thank you in advance.
@ConnectWithCain
@ConnectWithCain 4 жыл бұрын
daemn42 Your right! Thank you
@neilfpv
@neilfpv 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Joshua! I had to change channel on NANO from 8 to 12. I can't give up the other switches. I tried 12channels before and I don't remember seeing any latency issue. Again, thanks a lot! I can now see LQ via RSSI value. You're the man! 💪
@anthonythomas2059
@anthonythomas2059 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. I thought something was wrong with my crossfire. You're the best!
@MrVasmikey
@MrVasmikey 4 жыл бұрын
I became a Patreon with this video! You see Joshua you are an expert adjunct to this hobby and we can’t live without you.
@chuckkissel2785
@chuckkissel2785 4 жыл бұрын
Wow I just went to crossfire and this really helped me alot cause im mostly using rssi right now.
@Politicallyhomeless957
@Politicallyhomeless957 4 жыл бұрын
Why? If your using CRSF you never need to worry about rssi again. Lol just busting your chops. It’s freaking awesome huh? I have it on my OSD but I don’t really look ever. I lose video well before I ever loose signal. I run 100&500 mw on a full size TX and go 2+ miles out on 600mw VTX
@outlawfpv3792
@outlawfpv3792 4 жыл бұрын
Good info on something that shouldn't be this confusing....thank you.
@gerki_fpv
@gerki_fpv 6 ай бұрын
Searched the whole day for easy answers about the LQ, thank you for this video 😊😊
@stevecorwonski385
@stevecorwonski385 4 жыл бұрын
People have been telling me R9 sucks because crossfire has 99% rssi forever and R9 drops off in a few hundred feet, and I'm an idiot for choosing R9. I understand the difference between LQ and RSSI, but the majority of CF fanbois I try to explain it to seem unable to admit that both system work the same, but CF shows link quality while r9 shows actual rssi. I will be posting many links to this video in the future. R9 still has it's issues, changing protocols being at the top of the list, but nice to see someone smarter than me finally explain the rssi/lq situation. Great video as always Josh, keep up the good work.
@M.TTT.
@M.TTT. 4 жыл бұрын
they both work, r9 is just way less easy, user friendly, and less American than r9, plus frSky does typical chinese shady stuff
@BruceLuckcuck
@BruceLuckcuck 4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately Frsky can't seem to fix their firmware bugs though and R9 still has all kinds of frame rate problems (drops, duplicates, random timing, etc.) which messes up RC smoothing and feedforward. So there's still that. And it's really just crappy firmware as the underlying chipset is the same as in Crossfire.
@stevecorwonski385
@stevecorwonski385 4 жыл бұрын
@@M.TTT. I'm fairly sure crossfire is not made in america, and Trappy is Swiss, so how exactly is crossfire more American than R9?
@stevecorwonski385
@stevecorwonski385 4 жыл бұрын
@@BruceLuckcuck I have not experienced these problems, I'm pretty sure that they are due to the slightly less user friendly nature of R9, but it works for me. Crossfire is also a fine choice and I begrudge no one for choosing it.
@BruceLuckcuck
@BruceLuckcuck 4 жыл бұрын
@@stevecorwonski385 Then you clearly haven't looked at a blackbox log to see what it's doing to your radio channels and feedforward and the resulting motor spikes they cause. Not a "Crossfire is better" comment, just a R9 has crappy firmware comment. And they've been unable (or unwilling) to improve it even with the Betaflight devs pushing and trying to help them.
@brendanzaebst9011
@brendanzaebst9011 4 жыл бұрын
Thank heavens you addressed this. I was up til the sun rose!!! All night thinking it was a vtx table issue. Oddly enough when i load smart audio for tbs 2.0 it wont load. So i had to add channels manually..... Love ya brother hope the fams doing well
@sinnedfpv5333
@sinnedfpv5333 4 жыл бұрын
Thank mate! You finally answer to all the question I had about lq and rssi in Bf 4.2. I feel much safer flying my quad now 🙏🚀
@Techado
@Techado 4 жыл бұрын
just was about to go to the field its 11.00 am in the morning , but this very important video drops. now lets learn this , will headover to the field next week .
@tylerwilliams786
@tylerwilliams786 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. My crossfire has always displayed like this. This has been big help👍👍👍
@MCsCreations
@MCsCreations 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the tips, Joshua! 😊 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@BigAlFPV17
@BigAlFPV17 4 жыл бұрын
Just getting into crossfire & this video will help me out. It seems all confusing but hopefully I'll figure it all out. Excellent review Joshua!!
@ralphshepherd1561
@ralphshepherd1561 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much I've been searching for this answer for months now. I finally understand. Thank you
@rcinfinity9842
@rcinfinity9842 2 жыл бұрын
Late here again but wow you're awesome. Glad you're still doing this after all this time.
@MatthewTaylor3
@MatthewTaylor3 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this. I always wondered what LQ was good to go
@skelldogTalo
@skelldogTalo 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the effort you put in helping people!
@johnjonesdronesfpv7939
@johnjonesdronesfpv7939 2 жыл бұрын
Just another random thing I needed help with. Thanks per usual Joshua.
@EnglishTurbines
@EnglishTurbines 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation of a tricky subject Mr B...🤔🤔🤔😀🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
@chasegoodall7536
@chasegoodall7536 4 жыл бұрын
Let us know when you get that fly 8:44
@sakfpv8444
@sakfpv8444 4 жыл бұрын
I skipped to 8:44 just to see that. Thank you. I'll continue watching now
@AbdulAleemShekhani
@AbdulAleemShekhani 4 жыл бұрын
Someone batch processed their end of video call to action, great job :D
@AlbertKimTV
@AlbertKimTV 4 жыл бұрын
Joshua, I think you need to upload the latest default font for 4.2 and that "(" will change to "LQ"
@JoshuaBardwell
@JoshuaBardwell 4 жыл бұрын
Hmmmmmm but the 2:100 is the same right?
@incLe84
@incLe84 4 жыл бұрын
Never mind. Kept watching the video.
@bigdatapimp
@bigdatapimp 4 жыл бұрын
I was just about to say this. Re-upload the font and the "(" will be "lq" again
@AlbertKimTV
@AlbertKimTV 4 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaBardwell Yeah, the numbers are the same and the readout is correct. It's just the font for the new symbol they're using in 4.2
@AdrianAndreiRobert
@AdrianAndreiRobert 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. Reupload any font and Lq will appear. However there is a catch. You have to reupload the font with the battery plugged in, otherwise it won't update properly. So: 1. Plug in the battery 2. Connect the USB and flash the font. 3. Call JB from the future for an update :)
@WezleyVarty
@WezleyVarty 4 жыл бұрын
Did a bit of testing around how CRSF 150hz forced performs on the track... Was a bit surprised at how fast the LQ drops at what would be considered very close range (around 50 meters). It's a tough tradeoff, as 150hz mode was marketed toward racers (as a low latency link), however you compromise the quality of your RC data from the large number of packets that get dropped. On 50hz, the link is much stronger, but at a much higher stick to quad latency. Here's a quick test showing CRSF on the right, and ExpressLRS on the left. CRSF was on 150hz at 100mw, and ExpressLRS was on 250hz at 40mW: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaqkkGaIZ6uSjqs
@mattiavadala7870
@mattiavadala7870 4 жыл бұрын
Btw I think they have to fix something with alert message. Sometimes I got a blinky ( for less than 1 sec) alarm message in the center for link quality, also if it never went to 1:***.
@ChasebirdFPV
@ChasebirdFPV 4 жыл бұрын
Absolute so funny that you uploaded this video....I literally did this like 2 weeks ago, wasn't sure what made me do it.
@josefsstationrc6064
@josefsstationrc6064 4 жыл бұрын
It’s been a year since I played with RSSI on my first Taranis, just can’t believe how quickly things have changed. With my second Taranis I’m running crsfshot on iNav and for literally the whole day I was struggling with two RSSI links under the receiver tab. I still used the old way to setup so RSSI didn’t even work. Now I’m going to disable RSSI on iNav to see what happens.
@bigdatapimp
@bigdatapimp 4 жыл бұрын
Aww you made this for me! 😂🤣 Thank you!
@alarmhome5281
@alarmhome5281 4 жыл бұрын
Could you do a simlar video for TBS tracer?
@Athispointwhocares
@Athispointwhocares 4 жыл бұрын
thank you so much for this I was so made to get 45 RSSI on my crossfire not even a 1/4 mile
@erksampat9328
@erksampat9328 4 жыл бұрын
Super well-explained, JB. Thanks so much for this video!
@codecae2
@codecae2 4 жыл бұрын
I believe that the link stats frame that feeds the telemetry values from the RX gets RSSI directly from sx1272. The difference could be the due to the difference in power output between the rx and tx. Anecdotally, I think it's fair to assume that the RSSI from transmit mode on the RX device on the quad would be lower, as it transmits at 40mw at all times. The transmitter module, which has much higher output value and likely a stronger RSSI for further distances because of its increased power output. Depending on how the telemetry frames are being scheduled/transmitted around within the blackbox of the crossfire firmware, it could be that the TX module is displaying the RSSI signal, as received from the RX and vice versa.
@willraefpv
@willraefpv 4 жыл бұрын
I hate how the new way because in the corner of my eye I cannot tell when I go from 50hz to 150hz. Normally the number would vary down from 300 to 200, but now it always looks the same.
@BruceLuckcuck
@BruceLuckcuck 4 жыл бұрын
So 300 to 200 looks different but 2:100 1:100 doesn't? Mmkay.
@willraefpv
@willraefpv 4 жыл бұрын
No it’s not like that... my LQ used to vary and go to numbers like 268 and so fourth. But now it will sit between either 2:90-100 or 1:60-100 the number doesn’t move around
@propsonfpv
@propsonfpv 4 жыл бұрын
I also liked tot 0 tot 300 methode much more.
@markusgm05
@markusgm05 4 жыл бұрын
Just wanna say thank you Joshua...THANK YOU!
@dividingbyzerofpv6748
@dividingbyzerofpv6748 4 жыл бұрын
Think it was pre 4.2 that Crossfire has a component of RSSI LQ on the UART output so you dont need the channel output RSSI. It wasnt even 4.2 that did this but like 4.0 or 4.1. Seems like the RSSI value was lower sooner like you noted in this video. I am now using all 3 values for RSSI values up together. But the 4.2 changes screwing with LQ makes me want to just stick to 4.1
@nikotttin
@nikotttin 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you JB! One new thing is that since BF4.1 with FRSKY receivers, I now have link quality warnings. Everywhere on the internet (awful
@miguelboisvert7375
@miguelboisvert7375 4 жыл бұрын
2:100 LQ forever!!!!!!!
@karacsonymate
@karacsonymate 3 жыл бұрын
No... :-)
@michaeljohnson6473
@michaeljohnson6473 4 жыл бұрын
My crossfire has been like this since I started using it, on every quad I ever put it in.
@proz71ful19
@proz71ful19 4 жыл бұрын
Same, been hovering around 60-70 and no failsafe yet
@QSpeedRacer
@QSpeedRacer 4 жыл бұрын
@@proz71ful19 yea seen a video. Guy was close at 60s. Went like a mile still at 50s 60s
@DVJiMATT
@DVJiMATT 4 жыл бұрын
My rssi seems to start out at around 65 to 70 but drops rather quick to 45 to 55 but a ¼ mile out will get down to 25 to 35 depending on orientation of my quad. That worries me.
@QSpeedRacer
@QSpeedRacer 4 жыл бұрын
@@DVJiMATT Test it a safer way.. leave the quad in the car front windshield and walk out a 1/2 a mile see what our rssi it drops out at
@QSpeedRacer
@QSpeedRacer 4 жыл бұрын
@@DVJiMATT Mine consistently drops out between 40 and 50 on an RXSR , x9 lite s. I make it 150 meters lol
@rajjena4092
@rajjena4092 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I was thinking there was something seriously wrong with my Crossfire upgrade having come from FrSky XM+ RSSI% values.
@GTARC_au
@GTARC_au 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers JB. Most helpful!!
@divingfalconfpv4602
@divingfalconfpv4602 3 жыл бұрын
That's why my RSSI % on R-XSR and XM failsafe at like 40 to 45 . And my R9 failsafe under 12 RSSI . I always have to fly out and find average failsafe value. Makes a lot of walking with R9.. damn R9 took 300 meters with trees inbetween. I used LQ just give heads up before failsafe. If drops at all getting ready to failsafe. Goes quick. Doesn't really work. Now I got crossfire in the mail
@elxero2189
@elxero2189 4 жыл бұрын
Wow man I've been wondering about that rssi and lq lower values...I did already know about those two lq numbers but my rssi shows up as half as soon as I take off..has me really spooked I'm. Like 100 meters away and 40 rssi what gives. Thanks for this one.
@macdsky2614
@macdsky2614 2 жыл бұрын
thank you mr bardwell
@maxfliesdrones1613
@maxfliesdrones1613 2 жыл бұрын
This video helped so much, thanks Josh.👍
@christianhansson5842
@christianhansson5842 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for exsisting Joshua
@HolaACchillin
@HolaACchillin 4 жыл бұрын
my rssi shows less than 50 to start then drops to 30ish at 1000ft out. FYI crossfire hype is real! happiness meter 🙏
@yngndrw.
@yngndrw. 4 жыл бұрын
I never understood the purpose of the combined "RSSI/LQ" mode, it's just a broken and meaningless number - Just pick one or the other. (And I fully agree with your conclusion, just use LQ and ignore RSSI - It doesn't add anything over LQ.)
@moviepassion7995
@moviepassion7995 3 жыл бұрын
Frickin great video Joshua! Helped out a lot!
@MrSabram07
@MrSabram07 3 жыл бұрын
Can you use both the crossfire RSSI and the analog RSSI on an aux channel? Want to see in the goggles and the other I like to use as a warmer/colder device to find my drone by having the value played over the speaker
@saow
@saow 4 жыл бұрын
You forgot to tell us to change the BF Font to have a nice LQ Icon instead of that ugly "(" 😅😘 And I was sooo hoping you tell us the best way to have LQ in the DJI FPV Goggles' OSD 😭 For now I had to go back to the old Aux Channel method to display some sort of LQ Percentage in the DJI OSD. Best regards from France
@JoshuaBardwell
@JoshuaBardwell 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry about that. The fix is to reupload the font using the Font Manager button in the OSD tab. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXinfGNoqLSnqbs
@saow
@saow 4 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaBardwell ❤️
@ayougo
@ayougo 4 жыл бұрын
Running nightly tbs build for crossfireshot. Get radio warnings for signal
@skycitymedia528
@skycitymedia528 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I learned something today! and I dig the end of the video.
@stardestroyertech
@stardestroyertech Жыл бұрын
Today. Today is the day I become a patron.
@yawmanflights3332
@yawmanflights3332 4 жыл бұрын
That was a great way to explain RSSI and LQ
@bobg1443
@bobg1443 4 жыл бұрын
Is there a way to correct the RSSI in the OSD?
@hueyvelcro3025
@hueyvelcro3025 4 жыл бұрын
My first 3 years of FPV I used TBS stacks with the TBS OSD and I found that I rarely look even at the LQ as the power output was my safety blanket .Most of the time I am on 10mw and I am set to 500 dynamic so if it shoots up to 500mw then I pay attention to the numbers but that is not a regular occurance as it rarely passes 25 . The thing that confuses me is I swapped a couple of my stacks and have them on Betaflight 4.2 and with only the stack changed I now hit 1:70 very frequently whereas in the same area with the TBS OSD it never went below 296% . Its like it reads the telemetry different but it unsettles me so I went back to the good old 99 on a couple of them and still have 2 quads on TBS stacks . I did just buy a Unify Evo and am loving that it gives me the 300% scale and my power output but maybe its just because its what I am used to . I wish Betaflight were able to implement output power in the OSD but I wont tell you what the reply I got was in the betaflight group . Nice video .Its good to have this for people to see
@deltageek7177
@deltageek7177 4 жыл бұрын
Betaflight just reports the number provided to it by the RX, nothing more nothing less.
@hueyvelcro3025
@hueyvelcro3025 4 жыл бұрын
@@deltageek7177 But that is what the TBS Core does also and yet there are still massive differences in the numbers I see . Same with the Unify EVO it reads the same as the Core so there is definitely a difference between how TBS devices and Betaflight 4.2 reads that telemetry . This is why I would love Betaflight to implement the power output in the OSD as it tells a bigger story in a much more simple way . For me at least using dynamic power
@michey7822
@michey7822 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks jb! Very educational
@neilspye
@neilspye 4 жыл бұрын
Bless you JB!
@rejected_fpv9296
@rejected_fpv9296 4 жыл бұрын
You have just saved me. Thanks King
@bradserls7875
@bradserls7875 4 жыл бұрын
This is awesome! Thanks Josh!
@goballistik1
@goballistik1 4 жыл бұрын
Thank You Joshua!
@zfpv7211
@zfpv7211 4 жыл бұрын
Thank god you put this out. I’ve spent entirely too much time explaining this to scared ass folks
@TheTriggerhappyhippi
@TheTriggerhappyhippi 3 жыл бұрын
Yup I'm new and I was like wait a minute why am at at 70% If I'm literally right there
@CarbonGlassMan
@CarbonGlassMan 3 жыл бұрын
Hmmm. Mine was 99% until recently. Now it's like 38% to 59%. Maybe a damaged antenna? I didn't make any betaflight or radio changes. It just started reading low and now I'm afraid to go more than 100 feet away because it gets down to the 30% area.
@jaimefpv
@jaimefpv 6 ай бұрын
Enhorabuena por tu canal es muy bueno! Oye como subo la potencia rssi ? Yo ahora la tengo entre 50 y 60 😢 y se me va la telemetria al pilotar a 10 mtrs
@TokeyFPV-BelovedFPV
@TokeyFPV-BelovedFPV 4 жыл бұрын
This video is so fucking timely..Thank you..If you look at my FB you will see this was driving me crazy. Finally today gave up and switched all my quads to just LQ in OSD cause I coudln't stand seeing RSSI being so off from the normal 99 and I didn't understand it. LOL Also is why the RSSI value is different. It's in the release notes..the way that the 'RSSI dBm' value is tracked in the firmware has changed to use actual dBM value in a range of -130 to 0, instead of the previous version's 130 to 0 range. This means that if a custom setting for osd_rssi_dbm_alarm is used, this will have to be changed to be the inversion of its previous value (e.g. 60 becomes -60) (#9550);
@JoshuaBardwell
@JoshuaBardwell 4 жыл бұрын
That's dbm though. Why did percent change?
@hawkfpv1636
@hawkfpv1636 4 жыл бұрын
I’m still happily flying my Betaflight 3.5.7 lol. I got no intentions of updating
@sakfpv8444
@sakfpv8444 4 жыл бұрын
My 2 favorite quads have 3.5.7... I'm missing it on my 4.0 and up drones
@hawkfpv1636
@hawkfpv1636 4 жыл бұрын
@@sakfpv8444 I think I'm going to stay on this version. At least until they fix all the bugs on the other ones. Another thing that I don't like is how they seem to have simplified tuning. Which is mostly a good thing but I feel like people won't learn as much about tuning their quads if all they gotta do is move a slider and it automatically adjusts the pids and filters. Its a cool feature but I'd prefer to go through all the axis and filters myself in order to learn more about it.
@GaiusGarage
@GaiusGarage 3 жыл бұрын
guessing this applies to ExpressLRS as well since it works on the CSRF protocol
@JoshuaBardwell
@JoshuaBardwell 3 жыл бұрын
Expresslrs puts lq and rssi on aux channels 11 and 12. It's not the same as crossfire.
@delf1168
@delf1168 3 жыл бұрын
@Joshua Bardwell From 0 to 300%, it would be more convenient to monitor and monitor
@MrCrowleyandhisdrone
@MrCrowleyandhisdrone 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks again, as always. Peace
@Stevieboyfpv
@Stevieboyfpv 3 жыл бұрын
Always a legend! Thanks dude!
@YvesLAMBERT
@YvesLAMBERT 4 жыл бұрын
Great Video Thanks @Joshua
@MCsCreations
@MCsCreations 4 жыл бұрын
The expression you were looking for is "inverse square law", Joshua? 🤔 I don't know if it's the case, but since it is for the amount of light you get for a certain distance from the Sun, let's say... It would make sense.
@MrSmithFPV
@MrSmithFPV 3 жыл бұрын
So what number for RSSI is good to set for warnings in OSD?
@Brammosico
@Brammosico 4 жыл бұрын
Well, I don’t have crossfire, but a FRSky XM+ receiver with the same problem. RSSI seems like half of the value it used to be. I flew 100 meters and it showed 1 RSSI and kept going for another 100m without failsafe. So I think there is a weird bug with BF 4.2 with the RSSI scaling. Not only for crossfire. I changed the RSSI scaling in the CLI so it kind of matches what it used to be. But if someone has a better solution for this, let me know!
@BruceLuckcuck
@BruceLuckcuck 4 жыл бұрын
Nope, a Frsky firmware change (bug). They inexplicably changed the scaling (for FPort only I think, or maybe the ACCST 2.1 or ACCESS firmware - don't remember) in one the receiver firmware releases. This has nothing to Betaflight, and will also show the reduced scale if you go back to older Betaflight versions with that receiver. You could flash an older receiver firmware to revert to the old behavior.
@Brammosico
@Brammosico 4 жыл бұрын
Bruce Luckcuck ah ok. That explains. Starting to hate FrSky more and more. Why would they change that without us notifying about that. Ah well. Need to make the change to Crossfire I think :) Thanks for the info!
@starsstripesjacket
@starsstripesjacket 4 жыл бұрын
If only DJI would add LQ to the OSD :( at least i have a warning in my x lite
@starsstripesjacket
@starsstripesjacket 4 жыл бұрын
@Niggo FPV when i check Link quality in the osd settings nothing is displayed. I can do rssi but like joshua said in the video its not the same as LQ. Unless im just missing something completely? 🤷‍♂️
@Bobby_Strange
@Bobby_Strange 4 жыл бұрын
Niggo FPV is this 99 forever basically just reflecting that LQ is > 0:99 and any drop below 99 means you are in that 4Hz, about to lose signal, danger zone?
@ZabDevin
@ZabDevin 4 жыл бұрын
Niggo FPV Did the suggestion work for you? I’m having the same issue with my LQ not showing in the goggles, only in the OSD preview in BF.
@baseadventures9954
@baseadventures9954 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Joshua, love your content has helped me alot. Have a question. Ive followed steps and ive done it several times. But i dont get LQ on OSD but it does show on OSD beta flight screen... what can i do to get this value on my goggles screen?? Thankss
@MrOlisko1980
@MrOlisko1980 3 жыл бұрын
did you solve the problem? I also see in betaflight OSD but I can not see it on DJI goggles OSD :(
@jordanb6029
@jordanb6029 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrOlisko1980 do you still need help?
@MrOlisko1980
@MrOlisko1980 3 жыл бұрын
@@jordanb6029 is it possible to see LQ?
@gibzaficocinematography7629
@gibzaficocinematography7629 3 жыл бұрын
@@jordanb6029 I need help haha I only see RSSI even though I've set my Tango 2 on LQ on Channel 12 I got the dji Goggles. LQ shows up on Betaflight OSD enabled but it doesn't show up on my goggles only RSSI. So is my RSSI my LQ since I have the dji goggles???
@beechFPV
@beechFPV 4 жыл бұрын
ive just go crossfire and was worried when i did have rssi. well im not any more. im switching to LQ
@Pyro17059
@Pyro17059 3 жыл бұрын
Just got a crossfire micro tx starter kit. Got everything set up, mounted etc...watched all your videos and cant figure out my issue. When I first plug in my quad, i'll have 2/100 and 50ish rssi. After a few seconds of just sitting there, it goes to 1/100 with 30-35 rssi. Tried a different rx, higher power, different antenna, checked the region and freq...all appears to be correct. I have yet to fly with it this way because I feel I'll failsafe in less than 100 yards! I updated the tx, rx, and even struggled through an open tx update. Nothing has helped. I also took the module apart to make sure the ufl was still intact. Did I get a bad unit??? Little frustrated. Never had crossfire before and so far ive got a pretty bad first impression of it
@abc-ku3rx
@abc-ku3rx 4 жыл бұрын
great explanation,subscribed..
@Greatdayforaswellbattle
@Greatdayforaswellbattle 10 ай бұрын
Everything is great. 👍🏻
@furiousfpv3413
@furiousfpv3413 4 жыл бұрын
make this type of video about Frsky R9M please
@gmivisualsjason3729
@gmivisualsjason3729 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. That was very helpful 😊
@ricksquebecrc4627
@ricksquebecrc4627 4 жыл бұрын
Hi ! Joshua i have a question for you , (Because your the best at it ) i ´ m a big fan of the crossfire system because of it reliability and Link quality but my question is, i want to fly my mfd crosswind 1950 mm ( big plane) with a eagle tree vector flight controller in sbus so it means i will need at least 4-5 outputs for 3 caméras( vidéo switcher ) plus a feyutech 3 d gimbal and navigation lights so , what would be the best crossfire receiver with enough outputs for long range fright the diversity one or others . NThanks joshua
@chrisyoung8062
@chrisyoung8062 3 жыл бұрын
So there's something I guess I don't understand. Because of the asymmetrical Tx power of the Crossfire TX Micro (up to 1w) and the nano Rx (I believe only 10mw) it seems to me that you will lose telemetry long before your LQ falls to RFMD 1 and 70% LQ and in fact I've been trying to test this and that's what I find. I was simply trying to see of my audible warnings in my radio were working but those logical switches never get tripped before I lose telemetry. I guess using the telemetry in your OpenTX radio isn't very useful for that reason.
@JoshuaBardwell
@JoshuaBardwell 3 жыл бұрын
You will lose telemetry that's correct. But the lq comes from the receiver directly to the FC. So it doesn't need telemetry to display lq in the OSD.
@Siamect
@Siamect 4 жыл бұрын
But you can have good LQ just after taking off even if your antenna is broken. 10 seconds later you fall out of the sky with an LQ below your waistline and into the your neighbor's never ever cleaned, monitor infested swimming pool. I always check the dBm before taking off...
@quadthingcopter5984
@quadthingcopter5984 4 жыл бұрын
Hi. i have just purchased the crossfire nano, think it is the same as micro v2, so do not have to put rssi on an aux channel, but i cannot set the lq option in my dji goggles even though selected on the osd, so rssi value only or nothing, not keen on the the low rssi values everyone seems to be getting with the newer crossfire modules. i had to re adjust the scale for my r9 in the cli to match osd rssi, but that was easy as the telemetry scale was easy to match by looking at the rssi reading on the telemetry screen on the radio, but on crossfire this just reads 99 all the time and does not move. for any suggestions welcome. thanks.
@ojkolsrud1
@ojkolsrud1 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice explanation, but I'm still a bit unsure about what you said at about 12:02. Okay, so I've fell down from mode 2 to mode 1. Will LQ then show me 1:X where X is the number in percent which you said should be above about 70? Excuse me for the ill informed question, but I just got my Tango 2, and I haven't really installed my RX yet (just connected it) - and I've never used Crossfire before. Is the X number the "total link qual" across all three modes, or can I expect to have a full range from 0-100 in each mode? As in, what will X be, at the time I drop from 2 to 1 and 1 to 0? Thanks, dude.
@edfroxt7294
@edfroxt7294 3 жыл бұрын
I have rssi 60-70% when flying near myself, after 100-150 meters away my lq drops to 1:100 and rssi 40-50%. Frequency is set correctly for my region.
@shuraim8675
@shuraim8675 3 жыл бұрын
Same with me, did you find a fix?
@edfroxt7294
@edfroxt7294 3 жыл бұрын
@@shuraim8675 No, the problem still there. My antenna is placed in front of quad on tpu mount, pretty far from carbon. This is on my typical 5inch freestyle quad, I`m not flying far on it and failsafe never happened, but still this annoys me
@shuraim8675
@shuraim8675 3 жыл бұрын
@@edfroxt7294 Yeah, you needn't look at the RSSI. See the LQ because it's more accurate than the RSSI. You're good till 1:70 and return as soon as the lq hits 1:70
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