Journey's Insane Backstage Drama: "Cain Caught The Assistant Red Handed"

Journey's 2022 arena tour was a massive success, grossing over $31 million, but behind the scenes, lead guitarist Neal Schon and keyboardist Jonathan Cain were engaged in a petty feud that required separate security for their dressing rooms. This video delves into the drama and tension that plagued the band and led to dueling lawsuits and a breakdown in their business relationships.
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[@jeffreykoger3978]

I think we, the fans, are starting to understand why Steve Perry is refusing to return to the band. Sad...

[@doctorfeinstone6524]

There won't be much of a band to return to if this keeps up

[@jeffreyconner2937]

Perry recently had a lawsuit against Cain and Schon over copyright issues. Perry dropped the lawsuit after Schon and Cain started having the conflict over the credit card.

[@jgreen3871]

No, Perry was the control dreak. He can't sing the difficult songs anymore. He tried to launch his solo career 2 times but failed. I have to hand it to Perry, he manuevered Cain and Schon give him 50% of the net profits!

[@johnmagill7714]

Even Arnel has had enough. I said recently they can fire me, I don't care anymore. For him to say that it's gotten pretty serious.

[@RogerSanGabriel]

Facts this is sad.

[@jeffreyhutchins6527]

Schon blew a head gasket a few years ago. His improv has become frenetic. Seems like he has caught "Lead Singer" disease as a Guitarist.

[@SN-nh6pq]

Soooooo let’s go back to 1997 when Steve Perry was doing a interview with GMA and blatantly said.. “it’s unbearable to work with Neil anymore, always has been

[@dottierigsby5320]

I like Neal Shon. I was in a wheelchair for the Indy concert several years ago when I was undergoing chemo. He saw me and made sure that I got his guitar pick.

[@ytr3488]

🥱

[@skeptischism1324]

I mean while I can respect that and it's truly a nice gesture I really could see him being a complete another nightmare to work with a complete egomaniac. Of course on my part that's just conjecture I'm just some random that actually Journeys a bit before my Arab but that doesn't mean I'm unaware of them and their songs and I like a couple but not really most of them to be honest. Point being just because he gave you a guitar pick doesn't mean he's a good person, in situations like that I often wonder if he didn't have an audience there to give him adoration for that move would he have still done it?

[@gregorybrissette3443]

Schon is Journey for Christs sake.. And knowing Cain and his wife were part of the movement to destroy Democracy makes me humongously biased against him..

[@johnstitt2615]

It’s for show.

[@lavonnemcdowell7040]

I am sure that Neal is a very warm-hearted individual. We all have to realize that business is business sometimes it gets nasty. Just like our lives sometimes it's good sometimes it's not so good. Now I wish Steve Perry would come back and they can become journey everybody teases me know that's not going to happen well I always go back to I Don't stop believin.

[@Max-je7qd]

Neals wife Michelle is the Yoko Ono of Journey. She has always been trouble before she came into the the Journey picture. Good luck Neal, its either her or your band, thats what its going to boil down to.

[@jeffreyconner2937]

Cain's wife isn't great either. That wealth and prosperity theology isn't a good thing.

[@jeffreyconner2937]

@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle Anyway both of the spouses should stay out of the business aspects of the band period.

[@TechGently]

Ritchie Blackmore has a similar wife Candice, she's got him on a leash, never beyond 10 feet of him even on stage.

[@jeffreyconner2937]

@@TechGently Damn! Are you serious!

[@TechGently]

@@jeffreyconner2937 Yes, check them out on YT, she's why he's wearing leotards and went slightly crazy

[@Ali-yq1jh]

Steve Perry was vocal in the band’s retrospective that he felt that the band Journey should retire without him. Start a new band, but leave Journey and what we’ve accomplished together alone. They really should have listened !

[@leavemealone8336]

"what we’ve accomplished together alone"... i think that sums it up, or should I say I alone summed up what we did together...... not confusing at all huh

[@jayteesgear]

Its just SUCH a bummer! I used to live Close to Schon and a few people in the Journey circle would tell me horror stories. Now- I wasnt ever there around him so its all hearsay- but he was a massive annoyance on social media a few years back with opinions of his. Could we all just get back to the MUSIC?

[@itstheweather5859]

Did you live in Mill Valley or San Rafael? Those were the good days.... the bay area was home to some great bands in the 1970s!

[@MaffdrumsofBODofNYC]

This guy is right “no one wins” but Neal Schon never sued anyone or became such a venomous a guy until after he married the White House Crashing “Real Housewife of Any Rich Guy I Can Get My Hands On” …now? he and his wife sue anyone that looks at them wrong…Live Nation, Arena Security Guards, The City of San Francisco, his own bandmates?!??? Just really sad and shameful they’ve been my favorite bands for years :(

[@scotabot7826]

Man, you hit the nail square on the head!!! I just wish Neal could see the truth, and not be so damned whipped. "Any rich guy I can get my hands on" is the truth if it's ever been spoken!!!

[@mitymac]

wasnt she engaged when he met her too? 🙄🤦‍♂️

[@davidrobinson4012]

@@scotabot7826 This is his fifth marriage I think!!!

[@detroitdiezel7856]

​​​@@mitymac no she was married to some rich douche named Tareq Salahi. And Neal is only her second husband, not her fifth. But yeah, his attitude seemed to change after they got married. But then again, so did Jonathan's - after he wed that charlatan, Paula White and became "a born again Christian". They're THEE worst kind of Christians.

[@heathersullivan2561]

@@mitymac she was married! She ran off with Neal and then officially divorced her husband for Neal. Neal had just got married as well and quickly divorced his wife for her. Wikipedia conveniently leaves that out. I am a fan of Arnel but not Journey( at least not anymore. )

[@kbusby4824]

So glad to have seen them on the Escape tour in 1981 before all the cuckoo for cocoa puffs nonsense between Schon and Cain and their respective spouses. Steve Perry was absolutely spot on in leaving them and gets a percentage of the Journey money without performing at all.

[@sredtail]

Lucky Duck

[@waverlyking6045]

A lot of the problem Steve Perry had was when the rest of the band demanded that he get hip surgery and go back on tour right after surgery. To him, surgery was a personal decision not a band decision.

[@janxander6535]

I saw them twice when Gregg Rolie was still in the band. That was the best lineup!

[@waverlyking6045]

@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle The kind of hip surgery that he had to have was not something a person could just bounce right back from like the band expected him to.

[@flynntaylor5459]

I think perry saw this happening all before it did... the 90s. Then made that unbelievable contract to perfect his interest and future. Such a contract would never made today. It's equivalent to reeves deciding he didn't want a salary for the matrix, instead he want a percentage of the matrix revenue, it was like investing in Microsoft before mircrosoft was even known. Perry, knowing he was responsible for all those songs that made journey the biggest band in musical history, protected himself and his hard work by continuing to receive financial compensation without having to tour. He in a sense retired without really rehiring from journey, he makes like 30 percent when journey tours. And he still must be included in all business decisions as it is he, schon and cain who own the journey name and legacy. Such a contract would never be made today. Perry was smart, he knew the deal and of course he makes music on his own terms now when he feels like it. It's not for any want or need only the passion that drives him. And whether he had that voice that had all of us dropping to our knees back in 84 or not has little to do with his decision to remain off the grid. Watching a babd you loved emplode is not easy to do but I'm sure now ss he sees it with his own eyes he knew he was right to leave back when they made trial by fire. He knew that this day would come, even begged them to let journey rest, keeping making music don't not under journeys name. He is right and all of this proves it. So sad, the 80s are over and so is the greatest band in musical history 😢😢😢😢😢

[@MrKennyanders]

Arnel knows his place in the band and would not even comment on who Neil or Johnathan want to bring in, Greg and Arnel did sound great together though

[@patrickforrest4899]

Journey died the day Steve Perry left let’s be honest.

[@scotabot7826]

I respect Neal greatly, but he needs to come back down to earth, as well as getting ahold of his wife. She has NO BUSINESS in the workings of Journey or any of it's members, PERIOD!! Sounds like Neal is completely whipped, and that's not good for any man!!Get her out of the bands business!!!! I will believe John above anyone. Seems Neal is suffering from a massive ego problem these days. He's hasn't been the quiet and very humble guitar player for quite a while now. They all owe Arnel everything for bringing them back from the utter dead. They should be extremely thankful to be in the position they are today!!

[@jimmay6786]

After years of Perry telling us exactly what a control freak Neil is and years of “oh no that’s not true” clearly shows the Neil is a control freak! And Neil was the reason Perry left.

[@Jade_902]

@Jim May bingo

[@detroitdiezel7856]

There were other reasons that contributed to Perry leaving. Not just Neal. And Mr. Schon's first name is spelled "Neal" not "Neil".

[@PeachWNK]

@@detroitdiezel7856 Thank you. Perry is always painted as this saint.

[@doctorfeinstone6524]

Perry left because he had a hip injury and was conflicted on getting a major surgery schon told him to either get the surgery or we're firing you and replacing you. Perry said that schon had no right to pressure him into something that personal and that major, so he said fuck it and quit for good

[@briancantale8930]

This was during the reunion in the 90’s, not why he left the first time, if I’m correct.

[@carlorivera3035]

I'm one of the new Journey fans. May God bless this band some more. Their songs are like gospel to me. The titles alone speak volumes. "FAITHFULLY," "DON'T STOP BELIEVING."

[@maverick2671]

Neal Schon is a great guitarist and has been a huge influence in my playing, but it seems over the years that he is always right in the middle of all the drama. Never a bystander. And now Arnel seems to have had enough. This in-fighting takes away from their legacy as far as I’m concerned. Good for Steve Perry for walking away when he did. He’s the only one who remains untarnished in my view.

[@roxannemoser]

Neal co-formed Journey with Greg Rolie. This is his baby. The other's got in by a lot of luck, as well as talent.

[@doctorfeinstone6524]

​@Roxy Moser yeah and now he's pissed Greg rolie off too apparently

[@nathaninostroza7655]

@@roxannemoser You know what phuck u, greg, Ross, Neil and Dunbar were about to implode had not herb fixed Perry in, so, Neil s the lucky and talented one since he and pre Perry Journey couldnt make a legend of themselves by their own merit. Get your facts straight. Phuck Neil schon.

[@schmidington]

What is the main reason that any band splits up? It is ego. There seems to be some of that in play here. One person thinking they are better than another person opens the door to all manner of distrustful and dishonest behavior. Having two or more inflated ego's clashing and things get much worse, all hell breaks loose. It may be the most difficult problem the individuals and the band as a whole must face. I'd like to see this group find some reconciliation and understanding. They are, of course, legendary, and it would suck for them to go down leaving such a bad taste in everyone's mouths.

[@ohlorie2105]

Ego and $$$

[@jonnyballgame6751]

Man so glad you explained to us what ego is

[@ohlorie2105]

Apart from his tweets, I wonder how Arnel deals with the drama daily. He apparently still performs his best and wows the fans.

[@banditdarval9401]

Wows the fans? He's a cover artist singing other people's material.

[@echomike8591]

@@banditdarval9401 that's what replacement singers do I don't know from what planet you are from with that kind of logic.

[@camgar8197]

He counts the little money they give him. as far as im concerned he's just a hired gun.

[@evelynredona6388]

That little money is about 1.1 Billion if converted to Philippine peso if Journey boys will shoooo him away he will have enough time counting, not bad for a hired gun as some called him that way..

[@ericwhite2830]

Saw Journey in 2001 with Steve Augeri fronting the band. I got the vibe that Schon's ego demanded attention. Every few songs Augeri would announce "Neil Schon!" And point to his side of the stage and Neil would do a quick solo. It just seemed a bit much.

[@itstheweather5859]

Look at me! Look at me! Thats what happens with small man complex.

[@jgillettejukebox]

Neal has been in the limelight since he was a kid. How can you not have a huge ego with being a star your whole life? And he's in his 70s lol

[@echomike8591]

You can be a star with a big ego though

[@forrest8976]

You know what? I personally sacrificed a lot of my life writing recording performing live in the Rock bands I was a vocalist for. Always Independent. So that we had the control of our destiny. I have been blessed with the opportunity to preform music for thousands of people. I gave the crowd all they wanted. I had the opportunity to let fans forget about their daily lives, relax, let go, have fun, and let their emotions go. That for me is everything. I know it’s a business. However, how selfish can these mega rockstars be so damn selfish? IF YOU ARE NOT HAVING FUN ANYMORE ON STAGE OR LIVING YOUR ROCKSTAR LIFE…THEN ITS TIME TO HANG IT UP! IF NOT…WELL THEN YOU ARE BASICALLY RAISING A MIDDLE FINGER TO ALL OF YOUR FANS.

[@SWilsz]

Well said rock brother!

[@stevebennie4169]

Starting to wonder if the Smith and Valory issue was real or was it in just Neil’s head.

[@itstheweather5859]

Me thinks schon has one vivid imagination.....

[@markchang9370]

Guess Steve perry leaving was legit

[@stevekapp6462]

I’m going to see them at the end of March. I hope they can keep it together until then!

[@deannawilliams5048]

I feel the same way. Seeing them in Stockton, CA mid April.

[@peanutbutterisfu]

When making the kinda money they make and the money they will loose if they cancel because the shows are for sure under contract they will be at that show.

[@idakristinedemesa5234]

How was the concert?

[@stevekapp6462]

@@idakristinedemesa5234 It was great. Toto was great too. But I never saw Neil get anywhere near Jonathan .

[@idakristinedemesa5234]

@@stevekapp6462 Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, we’re not expecting those two to be close. Heheh!

[@scottlaboch4534]

I love Journey....& I wish they can get their shit together!!

[@jeffreyconner2937]

Don't a lot of Journey fans

[@Patso65]

Steve Perry IS Journey, period. I will NEVER watch them, live, EVER, unless Steve returns. Their front singer will never take his place. Journey is dead to me.

[@richboutin4044]

Steve didn’t even join the band until the 5th album.

[@philwhite4191]

Ok, you hold your breath for Perry to return to Journey, while I hold mine until Mark Farner is welcomed back to Grand Funk Railroad. Ready? 1, 2, 3.....

[@judya8392]

This is what happens when too many exploding egos share a stage. Drama, drama. If Arnel was smart, he would run for the hills and go out on his own, away from these clowns.

[@ohlorie2105]

So true. Or he could’ve added drama if he wanted to.Throw a tantrum over all the distractions. He’s not the type, however.

[@doctorfeinstone6524]

Arnel should team up with Steve Perry and start a new band with all the members who have left journey

[@apolinariajomoc7318]

Father and son tandem. Lol.

[@echomike8591]

@@doctorfeinstone6524 I was thinking of that too. When they met, Perry told Arnel to call him anytime. They can have Steve Smith, and Ross Valory back, if Deen wants to join them why not(not sure though if he is a Schon guy), and maybe Jon Cain if the beef between him and Neal is irreconcilable. That makes up a significant but old band.

[@jessicaal415]

He is a simple guy. Tbh, he seems set to live a simple life in the PH with wife and kids. He had one hell of a ride and best dream come true. I bet if he is not under contract, he’d get out in no time. However he has asked to be fired. Sad.

[@markmccracken6951]

We just saw them on 3/3 in State College and the stage performance was very good. Not sure about what goes on backstage, but the on stage looked like they were in sync and wanted to put on the best show for the fans.

[@idakristinedemesa5234]

They’re all professionals and know how financially straining it would be if they discontinue the concerts.

[@opera-singing-orangutan]

Before this Billboard article, I sort of thought Cain and his wife might have been the issue specifically with regards to the lawsuit Schon filed (given White's evangelical grifting). But I really didn't know until this article (I don't follow every detail of these bands like some folks do) that Schon is 10 years married to that known manipulator Michaele Ann Holt (who is probably worst of a grifter than Paula White). I don't care for Cain's politics, BUT from all accounts including radio vet John Beaudin, Cain is at least really nice and pleasant to talk with so long as you ask him to keep politics out of it (which he does respect). This is the complete opposite of what you hear regarding Neal Schon (including additional anecdotes in this article). And his piece of work wife is at the center of this (getting into the bands business); I'm now more inclined to believe Cain's account of the AMEX account abuse by Schon and his wife racking up personal charges on it.

[@gregorybrissette3443]

Nicely said but this is a bit different in my book.. one iota of support for trump is supporting the fall of democracy,, This isn’t really debatable if you’re keeping up with the news.. Schon might be a control freak in band but isn’t he the only original guy left?

[@FlipGuitarist80]

Nah it’s always been the one who airs dirty laundry on social media. You know right away who really is the issue and drama.

[@brianakim7383]

I 100% agree! Everyone does remember who Neal Schon's wife was married to and snuck into the White House party with. She is a bottom feeder and most likely the source of the problem. Tells me a lot about Schon as his judgement shows zero class. Sad because they used to be my favorite band but I may just pass this time around.

[@finediningandbreathing07]

​@Betty Wallace he has to say that so people will actually continue to purchase tickets and go to their concerts. There's still an ongoing lawsuit between him and Schon. The two definitely don't seem "unified", and haven't been for quite some time.

[@finediningandbreathing07]

@Betty Wallace I didn't ask

[@neinneinnein651]

and his like 20 minute self indulgent stupid solos.... Sorry not a George Lynch or Steve Vai or others of that caliber to warrant a 15 to 20 minute j off session and once again if not for Perry we probably would not be discussing this at all.

[@jbsoldier92]

Please hold it together long enough to make your April show in Bakersfield.

[@jasonweinberg932]

They need a camera crew following them around and recording all of these shenanigans and make a reality show about it.

[@itstheweather5859]

THats what schons wife would like.

[@Lisa-dn2gx]

Some tried to blame the girlfriend or blamed Steve for leaving. Personally I always felt Steve was pretty level headed, ambitious yes but not a greedy or selfish person. Neil on the other hand has always been a different story & even Jonathan to a degree. I really think Jonathan tried to mend things so Steve would return but I think we're seeing the reason he hasn't & won't. Toxic people aren't good for anyone even if it comes in waves. Neil has always seemed like a bit of an ass

[@MarioSalazar07]

I've been a big Journey fan for many, many years. This situation is sad and downright embarrassing not just for the band in the public eye, but for fans and all that are exposed to this. Neal, as talented as he is, seems to have issues with e v e r y o n e and really comes across as a toxic element in many of these fronts. I don't personally know Arnel, but as I understand from those who know him well, he's a very nice, down-to-earth, still humble, drama-free individual and the situation has managed to piss him off too, to the point of him (Arnel) having to make a public statement (via tweet). It's very sad it's come to this. I hope they're able to somehow work things out amongst themselves before tarnishing and downright destroying the legacy of such an amazing band. Best of luck to all of them.

[@twilitetide]

Well, I WAS, but IMO trying to push Perry into surgery and then ditching one of the most iconic frontman in rock, as well as cowriter of major hits (including the Grammy nominated "When You Love A Woman") always struck me as insane. Well, OK, Schon & Cain roll on with their filler singers, and a lot of the audience is happy enough. But it's weird, it's like Perry took the light with him. Perry had fretted around ROR about becoming "another fading rock band" and now that seems not just prescient, it's worse. IMO this isn't "Journey" at all - unbelievably Valory and Smith are gone, and Rolie probably showed up because of Schon - but that's it. It's like the Neal Schon show with whoever is under contract, with plenty of guitar solos stuffed in. And has anyone asked Schon if he is using a lot of alcohol e.g. the hard driving bad boy thing? Because long term alcohol abuse can lead to erratic behavior, being hypercontrolling, failed relationships, paranoia, feelings of grandiosity even if supposedly functioning, and an enabling partner. If I were a friend of Schon's it'd be worth asking the question. You can't party all night at these guys age. I don't KNOW that's the case or what Schon does on his days off, but nobody ever seems to ask what's going on with these bands physically unless someone keels over onstage.

[@donellefeltham]

@@twilitetide Arnel is a really nice humble guy, I can listen to him sing but I find it very hard to watch him on stage, I know he’s doing the best job he can. However I think his over the top performance’s are aimed at pleasing Neal. To be honest, I think it’s a shame, Neal should have told him, mate slow down I’ve got your back but he didn’t and worked him like a dog, fully knowing that eventually Arnel would pay the price of his voice becoming toast and that’s what has happened. I’m not saying he can’t sing anymore, he can but he’s singed around the corner’s and I feel for him and I don’t think he’s got the recognition he deserves. Although I do think Steve did his absolute best at The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame award’s too try to make sure Arnel was included and recognised for working his arse off for Journey. Personally I don’t think Steve will ever sing with Journey again, Steve is an honourable man and I think there was a lot more than just his hip, that led to him bowing out of Journey. He’s even said as much in interviews he did for Traces. He said there was a lot of partying and and other substances going on. I don’t think Steve wanted to be around that , just to keep going, so I think even if he hadn’t done his hip in he would would have bowed out. No one seems to want to know about what Steve was going through, even on The Raised On Radio Tour, when Steve lost his Mother and it’s no secret how close they were. Steve would have been devastated even though he knew she was very ill by this time but I think and this is only my thoughts Steve needed to grieve for her and I don’t think the other’s could comprehend this and had the attitude, come on get back on the road that’ll help you. No it wouldn’t help not Steve anyway. As I said these are only my thoughts do I know this for sure, no I don’t but the the clue’s are there.

[@timsears951]

Ive always aid there was more to this story behind the scenes ..

[@donellefeltham]

Yes I’m a Journey fan from way back and so I'm just going to say it from where I'm sitting, Journey could do no wrong back in late 70's and 80's and even The Trial by Fire Album in 1997, was a fine Album. Now having said that, I've always felt most of Neals solos were to long. Not knocking his guitar work, he is a genoise when it comes to that. However Neal is not and has never been the sharpest nail in the tool box, he shy's away from having to do the things that are hard and he has been using Jon for years, if anyone needs to be told, or someone has to be told something nt pleasant. He just sits there hugging his Guitar. The minute I heard his wife was getting involved in the legal and workings of Journey, I knew there was go to be trouble and I said so on different channels, there is alway trouble when the wives get involved and boy are they in trouble now .Neal has said in more than 1 interview that it was Steve who had bought all the success to the band . Thats true but Steve is a very smart man who is not into getting involved in the shit show Journey is today. The people I feel most for in all of this is Arnel and Dean, they don't most of the time whether they got a Gig in the next town or not and they work their arses off in every show. I don't really even blame Jon for much of this but he's been put in a place where he had defend himself yet again and he's as dedicated to Journey every bit as much as Neal and maybe even more. If Neal does not shut his wife up, he wants to be careful because his beloved Journey will be no more and he'll be standing up on that stage alone hugging his Guitar. Just saying. 🤷‍♀️

[@hello...isthisthingon8871]

@Forrest...Wow! Incredible overview. Thank you for your very incitfull comment. I agree 100% with all you spoke about, being a long time Journey fan myself. Life is waaaay too short for all of this unnecessary heartache....let it go, let bygones be bygones, play on and enjoy or hang it up boys!

[@hello...isthisthingon8871]

My mistake...above comment was directed at @Donelle Feltham... credit where credit is due! However, @Forrest, had a great point too! 💙

[@stevenpeltier1376]

Neil Schon’s wife is analogous to Yoko Ono, except worse. Besides being a terrible person in her own rite, she also brings out the worst in Neal. At this point, I would not mind having Journey’s lineup be Steve Perry, Jonathan Caine, Ross Valory, Steve Smith, and Steve Vai instead of Neil Schon. Neil can go do his Journey Through Time or whatever he wants to call his solo act or perhaps form a new version of Bad English with John Waite, Dean Castronovo, Greg Rollie, and Randy Jackson.

[@donellefeltham]

@@stevenpeltier1376 You do know she’s the one who with her husband at the time was the one who either tried or got into a White House reception. It was all over the news at the time. So yes your right she is worse than Yoko, at least for all her stupidity she did love John. I’ve got a feeling and I could be very wrong but I can’t get this feeling out of my mind, that Neal is frightened this marriage is going down the toilet like all the other’s,so he’s just going too let her run with the ball. I could be totally wrong but I can’t help wondering how much he’s letting her do as she pleases just to keep her sweet.

[@stevenpeltier1376]

@@donellefeltham yes I do know who she is. There are some guys in my company that fall victim to the same thing as Neal Schon. They get married and the next thing you know whatever bad traits that guy had are now amplified and then the wife starts putting crazy ideas in their head. I saw Journey with Arnel just prior to Covid. He was a really nice guy and does a good job of trying to sing like Steve Perry. Still, I couldn’t look at him on stage because it made feel like I was watching Karaoke. I thought it was just me, having spent a substantially amount of time in the Phillpines, Japan, and that part of the world but other concert goers made similar comments to me without me even asking and I didn’t even know those people. I also noticed during the concert that Neal was intent on making everything about himself whereas Jonathan Caine was about giving fans what they wanted. I completely understand Journey moving on from Steve Perry after he was stringing them along with not getting surgery and basically sabotaging their momentum after recording Trial By Fire. That was so ridiculous for Steve to do. With insane concert ticket prices these days, fans deserve better. Journey just played in my city last weekend. I didn’t go. Between the drama and apparent firing of Ross and all these other issues in addition to ridiculous prices, it just wasn’t worth it.

[@lindamariscal6277]

Herbie Herbert was the founder, their original manager! He formed Journey & like Walt Disney made a dream come true. As the paranoia continues Neal Schon needs to lay off speed! My friend was backstage years ago & saw him talking with his suppliers from the Hells Angels giving him his fix! Steve Perry is smart not to be around all this garbage.

[@detroitdiezel7856]

How many years ago was that where Neal had to get drugs from bikers?? Back in '78??? Are the Hells Angels even around anymore? I'm sure if Neal has to "get his fix" these days, it won't be from some grubby biker!

[@lindamariscal6277]

@@detroitdiezel7856 well my friend saw him talking with them & she couldn't believe her eyes & what she saw a long with her date! He told the 2 men he would chat later & not now! Even the rich go to trashy people

[@itstheweather5859]

No kidding! Well that explains his erratic behaivor and is drive to sue anything that is moving....

[@jurigelato4366]

Let's hope Toto can mediate this. Luke is close to both Neil and Jonathan and to a lesser extent Greg) He has gone through such issues himself (although not very sucessful). Fingers crossed they do not throw their legacy down the dumpster.

[@paulshamblin6260]

First they blamed Steve Perry and maybe there was something to it. Either way it's ridiculous,as grown men, they can't work this out. Now someone throws Arnel under the bus. I'm sure he's not perfect but he saved the band and is all about charity in the Philippines, which is probably not a tax write off. Meaning, he just wants to help those people. Who else does that? Probably not many.

[@haroldmessinger1]

thank you

[@bags5150]

Has anyone noticed all this started when he married his hood digger wife that was engaged to another guy and left that guy for Neil. HELLO.

[@dianemackey]

Actually, she was married and ran away from her husband who put out a missing person report. Pretty comical.

[@JackMcLeodJr]

I'll be alright without youuuuuuu

[@danielshannon6027]

Journey lost its soul when Steve Perry left; Schon was only half of the band's foundation, and he's done nothing but alienate the other past members except for Gregg Rolie, who left for his own reasons.

[@islandrepublic9166]

To some degree thats true…. But hey I see GNR with AXL now adays and its not the same. Perry left initially because he could not sing as he use to and that was 2 decades ago. Unless you been on a tour spot singing not cutting it.

[@georgeprice4212]

Sounds like Schon is tired of Cain after all these years.

[@colico14]

Cain is hurting the band's legacy by associating with Trump. He should have more sense than to associate with such a divisive figure. This is to say nothing of his marriage to Evangelical grifter extraordinaire, Paula White. None of this is good for the band.

[@janxander6535]

I was tired of Cain before he joined Journey.

[@ltcolumbo9708]

Who in America is still looking for a pair of headphones and a microphone? Do not allow yourself to be left behind without your very own show

[@ltcolumbo9708]

@@chuckbridenstine6284 You're killing me with decency brutha

[@cherylnickerson44]

it is really SAD!!!! I WILL PRAY FOR THE INNOCENT🎤🥁🎶ARNEL, DEEN BUT THEY ARE SO AWESOME THEY COULD SURVIVE WITH OUT THE TOXIC ONES!!

[@timothya.olmeda7299]

Survive, yeah, relevant, no. Nobody’s going to remember the current iteration of the band. All of their legendary legacy is with Perry, Rollie, Schon, Cain, Valory, Smith, Dunbar.

[@martythemusicmonster6772]

Saw Journey the only time when they toured in Australia in support of Deep purple over 10 years ago they were great but now I will just to to their classic period and would not waste money buying a ticket now

[@RolanRoyce]

There's apparently a lot more money in touring than selling records, because records don't cost $100 each and most of a record price goes to the company anyway. I don't know how tour money is split up but t's gotta be better than with records.

[@mikeygraves16]

You are correct. Touring is how most artists make their money. That's the reason KISS, Crüe, etc. keep coming back for "1 last tour" because it's so lucrative. Album sales don't equate to "that" much due to the way label contracts are structured. That's why you have plenty of bands out there that have gone platinum yet if they don't tour much they live a relatively modest upper middle class life. Touring is where it's at.

[@detroitdiezel7856]

​@@mikeygraves16 agreed. The majority of any music artist's money is made via ticket sales and tour swag, especially these days. That's why they charge so much for a concert ticket and why a lousy $10 T-Shirt costs $40 (or more) at their shows!

[@gringo3002]

This is exactly why anyone in their right mind doesn't want to be on a major record label.

[@flipthecoin888]

How do you sue someone and then continue performing with this person? What a weirdo.

[@itstheweather5859]

@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle ITs there in Black and White Folks..... AMerican Express receipts don't lie. Someone trying to apply personal purchases which no doubt are expensive as a business expense and they don't even perform!

[@stuartewoldt1513]

If you know anything about Neil's wife then you know where all the troubles get the fire from

[@susanlindsey-kempf5257]

I have always loved their music and always will. I believe they are all super stars and always have been. I think if it is as bad as it sounds like it is getting to be they all should take a minute and step back and re- evaluate what they either need to do to make changes or just not finish the tour myself I personally would like to see them work everything out and continue to tour. The fans don't deserve anything but the best that has been seen by them.

[@brianjohnson8616]

This isn’t Journey. It’s the Neal Shon band.

[@detroitdiezel7856]

By your dumb logic, neither are The Rolling Stones, The Who, Def Leppard, Whitesnake, Judas Priest, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Styx, REO Speedwagon, Queensryche, AC/DC, Kansas, Chicago, Dokken, and countless other bands. Get over it and live in the now, Karen!

[@brianjohnson8616]

@@detroitdiezel7856 PMS moment? Is your girl parts bleeding because it’s your time of the month? You seem very on edge over something so trivial. Have a man crush on Neal?

[@nathaninostroza7655]

Not Journey anymore, just Neil s trip nowadays.

[@dickielarue1451]

Seeing bands in their prime was awesome...Don't do concerts anymore...Grateful for the music over the year's and will keep the memories from the live performaces in the ole hard drive...Get Busy Living...😉🥁🎸👌🤟🤘✌️👏😎

[@jeffreyconner2937]

I am starting to like tribute bands better. Anyway these 70s rock bands are ageing and someone else needs to carry the torch.

[@dickielarue1451]

@@jeffreyconner2937 In the past I have seen some great tribute bands...If you look at some of the live performances today from Bon Jovi and Motley Crue, etc...At some point you gotta hang it up...Don't blame the bands for getting out on the road...However I'm not paying for it...Rock on from Portugal....🇵🇹🎸🥁✌️🤘🤟👏😉👌😎

[@jeffreyconner2937]

@@dickielarue1451 Plus it is cheaper to see these tribute bands. I am seeing an Aerosmith tribute band this weekend.

[@dickielarue1451]

@@jeffreyconner2937 Absolutley...used to go to the House of Blues in Houston, Texas...many great tribute bands passing through...Last time I saw Aerosmith was on the Permanent Vaction tour with Dokken opening up...Long Beach Arena...Enjoy the show!

[@jeffreyconner2937]

@@dickielarue1451 oh really! I like Dokken. George Lynch is an awesome guitar player!

[@roo2127]

I can say this. Neil Schon is an amazing player with great phrasing in the way he plays. That being said I would say in my opinion that he is extremely eccentric to the point of being unsociable or tolerable. An ER rep I knew was going to dinner with him to discuss a possible signature line collaboration and he asked Neil what he had ordered when the food arrived pointing to Neil's plate. Apparently, Neil snapped and went on a rant about never pointing at his food....just weird lol. I mean, if that doesn't sum the guy up in a capital "NUTshell I don't know does. Pretty over the top and yeah no signature deal done. I still love his work but yeah, I don't think meeting him would be worth it in anyway. Too bad becasuse the music Steve, Neil and the rest of the band created was truly Amazing as many of their songs have transcended time and is still played today. Just wow.

[@gingercollier7949]

I’ve been reading and watching lots of videos lately of the journey drama and even some from when Steve Perry left and it always seems to circle back to Neal Schon. When you look at the major hits Journey has had had Perry and Cain have written the majority of them, yet Neal continues saying,it’s my band. What Schon seems to forget is a band is many parts and he’s NEVER been the lead singer. Honestly Journey could probably get rid of Schon and get a guitarist just as good or better these days. I know some people think Schon deserves all the accolades but I think his ego and behavior make him a jerk. Oh and his wife is a social climber. I’m sure if someone came along with more money she’d dump Schon in a heartbeat. Schon is like the emotional teenager he was when he joined Santana. Grow up! I do wish Steve would spill the beans, because there seems to be more to leaving the band than his mental health and drug or alcohol abuse, which I’m not discrediting. All that being said, I saw Journey in the late 80’s when Randy Jackson toured with them and they were so good I purchased another ticket to see them one more time and I’ve never done that.

[@detroitdiezel7856]

Neal actually has sang lead on a few songs. Do some homework before you open up your stupid yap. And he's the ONLY remaining original member, so yeah... he definitely has the right to call it "his" band. He's earned it. He's been the only remaining constant for 50 years and he's a guitar virtuoso. So without Mr. Schon, there would be no Journey. If anyone sounds like a whiny teenager, it's you Snowflake!

[@klaws32]

Its Neal Schonns band, plain and simple. He founded it, he's been there since day 1, and he's hired every guy in the band. It doesn't matter if Cain wrote a lot of hits, he could go perform them solo. Journey is Neal Schonns personal property.

[@mikeg6666]

All these bands act like babies , look at the ridiculous feud Roger Waters and David Gilmore have. It's been going on for 35 years , these guys are in their 70's and are fighting like children on Twitter. I mean at this point does it even matter , they're irrelevant now like Journey...🙄

[@klaws32]

@@mikeg6666 At this point, when its only one original member, the guy who founded the band in the first place, hired every member, and been through every up and down, why would Schonn give any power to anybody. Cain is great, he wrote some songs, but he would be nothing without Journey as his vehicle. Its not Cains band. he was a replacement keyboardist for an already majorly successful band.

[@mikeg6666]

@@klaws32 I get that but at this point does anyone really care , their glory days are over. I wasn't a fan but Steve Perry had a great voice and once he left it was over for them IMO!✌️

[@DiverBand]

They have tainted their legacy IMHO. Greed does that to people on both sides. I really got to like and respect Steve Augeri. But once his voice failed and they kicked him to the street. I was done with this band. Tired of the revolving lead vocalist and band members revolving door.

[@DonnieWV4600]

Either quit with the drama or disband. I know one old member that’s getting a kick out of watching this crap and he’s the best member they ever had the face of journey! Hasn’t been journey since Steve Perry left!

[@anthonyhunt701]

To all of you generalizing here, my fellow Chicagoan Jon Cain is the root problem here. This is NEAL’S band, end of story…and YOU my friend… are NOT helping by fanning the flames of this. JRNY♾️

[@retired5218]

Neal's ego is ruining this band.

[@paulshamblin6260]

Rumor is Arnel has, in fact, stopped believing....😆

[@FrankC71]

You can tell the non Journey fans as they reference "Don't Stop Believing" as the Hit forgetting "Only The Young", "Separate Ways" & "Girl Can't Help It", at the end of the day, They are all Elderly, and Elderly people do not always get along. And what Brand? Their best days are behind them.

[@auringmorante4080]

It shows that fame and money destroys any individual, the legacy of any band etc... They' ve been working to be a superstarvwhen they were young then but now they were the ones also ruining what they had worked on!! oh my gosh I am so much depressed as they're my idol band!!! God bless Journey!!!

[@lindawright1263]

The difference is between Instagram accounts by schon and Caine greed never wins.

[@philalove7555]

There’s any footage of the arguments ?

[@binkwood]

The common denominator is ALL of Journey's revolving door of musicians since the band's inception is; Neil Schon! The 800 pound gorilla in the room is and has always been; Steve Perry, (no one would even remember Journey if it weren't for Perry) who also acts like a diva... but his unique talent warranted his arrogance, that's not the case with Schon. Yes people can copy Perry pretty well, including Arnel and Deen, (both can actually sing Journey parts better than Perry at this point) but neither created the parts that made those songs great, Perry did. Perry did push several Journey members out of Journey (Dunbar, Rollie, Smith, and Valory) and Schon let it all happen which IMO says a lot about Schon's lack of character. As soon as Perry quit Schon started trying to recreate the magic with a band called The Storm, which had a Perry sound-a-like singer, which failed. Schon went to Bad English which had limited success but it was short lived. When Schon found Arnel he formed a Journey cover band, billed as "Journey", that still exists to this day. But the problems between the members continued long after Perry left and the common denominator is Schon.

[@islandrepublic9166]

Was Van Halen with Hagar a cover band?? Asking for a friend. Also since Ozzy left Black Sabbath with your logic Dio with Black Sabbath is a cover band.

[@doctorfeinstone6524]

Journey got back together in the late 90's with all of the classic era members minus Perry and Smith. Back then, they had Steve Augeri in the lead. They worked and toured poor Augeri to death until his voice was almost completely shot which was around the late 2000's. When Augeri could no longer sing anymore, they kicked him out and replaced him with Arnel and have been going with him ever since. Now rumor has it that even arnel is getting exhausted

[@jessicaal415]

@@doctorfeinstone6524 anyone would be exhausted. Arnel being the longest running vocal, can’t blame him. 15 yrs. And tbh, he’s getting up there in age but I feel the drama is what he’s exhausted about more than anything. With Neal or wife, or both trying to bring him into the dirt that he wants nothing of. He’s been quiet until Twitter attacks from the wife came for him, which he didn’t appreciate one bit.

[@Stixin3nya]

Journey is the personification of the biblical saying " to gain the world, only to lose your soul." There comes to a point when their fans Stop believing this band.

[@RogerSanGabriel]

Facts

[@jeffreyconner2937]

@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle The constant touring can take a toll on one's voice. It happened to Steve Augeri. He had to leave the band after having throat problems.

[@jeffreyconner2937]

@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle I didn't hear about the lip syncing. I saw the band live with Jeff Scott Soto. That was in 2006 I believe.

[@Hisgirl813]

As much as I have LOVED Journey for the entirety of my life, minus the first 10 yrs, I love Jonathan and miss Steve Perry dearly but this stuff is utterly ridiculous and helped me decide to not attend the concert in Jax. Maybe I'll regret it, maybe I won't.

[@Hisgirl813]

@Dave Wight agreed !

[@aliwilson5401]

These old men should know better and grow up.

[@paolovincent6800]

Bring on Journey through Time !

[@fusionfan6883]

Schon clearly has found his Yoko and fallen under her destructive spell.

[@itstheweather5859]

Y2 for sure!!!

[@pattiecomo21]

Neil has a gigantic ego and his wife allows it it's a shame how a great band turned sour after a legacy of hits we as fans are very disappointed

[@josephliptak]

Nothing worse than watching a video and the reporter doesn't pronounce the band members names correctly. It's Neil Schon, not Shone.

[@edwardwhitmer8596]

So glad Steve P isint in all this drama… makes sense now

[@rhnstjegilrhkscvn1djhrj969]

Yoko Ono syndrome. Neal is the only original member. firing Steve Smith and Ross Valory was just another bad move. and now he is squeezing Jonathan cain out by messing with him and he's got his backup lined up, Greg Rolle. what a mess!

[@timothyhenry5454]

Journey to me has been finished for years I’m soooo tired of bands like journey, foreigner & Styx with new singers & half if not all the original band gone going out & performing iconic songs & charging a war price to basically hear a tribute act Journey was done when Steve Perry, & Gregg Rollie were out May we remember & cherish the classic lineups of these bands

[@riheg]

I love some of their pre&post Perry records and hearing the great songs live

[@jerm2011]

Yeah these bands were great in their times and it's good to listen to their old albums but when they try to keep it going at a greatly diminished capacity, I'm not interested. Salvage some legacy and hang it up.

[@islandrepublic9166]

The facts are they are still in demand and very good at it or they wont be making this thoe of news. Your stating an opinion and the facts are undisputed. Anyone else talking about Foreigner or even Boston??? Their problem is no different than most of the bands we cherish have you giys not heard abiut VAN HALEN… go ask Dave or Hagar. The only travesty is they got lucky in discovering Pineda and could not keep themselves staright as they head into their twighlight.

[@l31007]

You really need to see Arnel and Journey live. There is so much energy and the music is just as beautiful as ever. You are doing yourself a disservice as a Journey fan by not seeing that at least once.

[@riheg]

If you don’t like it, just don’t listen to the music or Buy tickets. How can you possibly have anything against more music for people to enjoy? So many bands who were big in the 80s make great music today. I went to a bunch of Toto shows and they were fantastic! How can you be against people having the option to go?

[@riffdagg6701]

Glee would have been in rough shape, without Journey.🤣🤣🤣

[@davidmiddleton9191]

It's like a high school drama

[@lisajoye5721]

At this point, a good Journey cover band seems more credible. Such a shame when tremendously talented people become obliterated and opinionated. Such as the saga of lawsuits and more BS. This is tragic, being a Journey fan since 1978. I do think the wives are a bit extreme in involving themselves in an unprofessional degree. Shame on them. I do appreciate Arnel's entrance into what seemed a very bleak future for the band, and his passion brought a new energy. How unfortunate that they are now at a point of fading respect, legal troubles, and ego battles.

[@ballerkidzofficalmusic]

Was it in 4k when he caught him 😂😂😂

[@HeavyJ713]

Journey isnt a band anymore its a brand.

[@jeffreyconner2937]

I am starting to like the Journey through time band better. It was more about the music and playing. Not corporate greed and commercialization.

[@jeffreyconner2937]

@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle Success can do that for a person. Of course, these professional athletes become greedy and want more money.

[@babooll5632]

I wish Neal Schon would retire and go wallow in his mountain of money and stop being an embarrassment. I used to ba a fan, saw them a few times. Now I wouldn't want them to play in my back yard. For free.

[@davidcottone2700]

And the journey drama continues

[@dossman6]

Whats worse than one Yoko?, 2 Yoko's. Only other band that has more drama is Live.

[@SN-nh6pq]

Neil Schon is a major issue

[@Blackhalo1]

It's Neal, and it's his band. Cain is the problem.

[@SN-nh6pq]

Cain is the problem?? Might want to ask Arnel

[@edwinmalachy]

So they're not all buddies. Just ego maniacs all in the same band and stuck in the same room

[@UFOROX]

been a fan since Infinity, they were a great band now they are just a brand.

[@kzgnode]

All went downhill for the band when michaele enters neals life..when the most humble guy in the group have an issue with michaele..you know she is the problen.

[@MrStoutfool]

Yo! All these years I’ve thought Steve Perry was the problem. Steve Smith leaves again and now it seems from reports…lol. The guitarist is the douche. I’m just guessing. Might also be that you are letting outside sources get involved in “ BAND” stuff. Oh well. It’s been since the early 80s that the rocked .

[@timstubbs9779]

The end is near !

[@ESUSAMEX]

They seem to be arguing over money while all this in-fighting is costing them even more money than the original sum. I like their music but I will not go out of my way to see them because I do not want to end up fighting Ticketmaster or Live Nation for a refund when the crap hits the fan and the show is cancelled.

[@itstheweather5859]

Oko Ono 2 is the spark to schons wick.

[@bkb757]

Every time I think this couldn’t possibly get more ridiculous…

[@daveagosti1281]

I think it's childless I think both of them should just step down and let a whole new band

[@rogerdaly6326]

Sooner or later the time comes for every band to call it a day. That time has come for Journey. When you're no longer having fun & its all about the bennies , time to pack it in and stop before it gets real ugly.

[@rogerdaly6326]

@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle He's the last original founding member so i doubt thats gonna happen.

[@Faltor895]

Schon's the issue. He keeps saying it's his band and wants Rolie in. Great, but neither of them can write songs of any note.

[@davidmini3606]

Neils wife should stay out of it

[@Jade_902]

Always some B.S. with Neil and his “precious, beautiful” Lady M.

[@Wescoot2]

Someone sounds like a new Yoko Ono

[@janetellzey7701]

Actually neal and Gregg started the band seams like neal forgot

[@lamlam4635]

That's the sickness of Fame thier ego is bigger that anyone...