Joe Rogan - Why Kratom is Illegal

[@elnino4306]

I got off opiates the old fashioned way !! Went to prison for 3 years 💉💉💉💉

[@thedonofthsht76-58]

😂😂😂 i still found drugs in prison

[@JaneCooper190072]

And THAT'S the way to do it. ***(if possible ) cold turkey, get all that shit out your system. Unfortunately prison is the only way some people do get clean, not this Kratom everyone's raving about, sorry but YOU'RE NOT CLEAN if you're taking kratom

[@johnstanton5355]

@@JaneCooper190072 abstinence amd recovery are two different things

[@christopherharris8312]

@@JaneCooper190072 and what's your perspective? Someone who has never been addicted to any substance? Someone who hasn't tried painkillers or Kratom? People die from quitting opiates completely. And if someone is taking kratom rather than heroin, they are clean. They aren't taking a substance that threatens their life with every injection. They aren't purchasing a drug illegally and risking being put in prison. Fuck off, some people are less fortunate and find themselves in bad situations. And it's people like you who make it seem like it's their issue for being addicted.

[@JaneCooper190072]

@@christopherharris8312 I've had opiate addiction for over 30 years, so I do know what I'm talking about actually, and concerning the Kratom you still need to withdraw off of that too, so no you're not clean. My friend tried kratom a few days ago and had the worse allergic reaction, she had a fever and was very ill. All I'm saying is you now have a Kratom addiction. The same with methadone you're at less of a risk from overdose, infection from injection sites e.t.c. ; but you're still addicted to an opioid and have a hell of a time coming off cold turkey. There's just no easy way to come off of opiates, you're going to go thru some discomfort regardless of what you take. The best way to do it is reduce as low as possible and then get something for about a week to get over the worst part. It IS their/our "issue" for being addicted. Who else's?

[@MTG1207]

Joe "I'm on it right now" Rogan

[@TheKrU2tGhO2T]

Lol 😂

[@Blackmetaljulian]

Joe 10 minutes earlier: ”Sober as fuck!”

[@well_as_an_expert_id_say]

@@Blackmetaljulian just in October 🔥

[@IndraLesmana-sf7ls]

I'm from Indonesia I hope we can get to know each other

[@th2065]

Peak Rogan

[@cody808H]

Every time someone says kratom helped them get off pain meds, big pharma doubles their efforts to make it illegal.

[@JohnWayne-86ed]

Cody Stewart I've had that same thought. Everyone stfu about Kratom already!. When I first discovered Kratom no one knew about it, therefore I didn't tell anyone about it, 12 years later... Bam!... it's all over the internet!. It's like telling everyone about this great high paying job you're applying for, you're just shooting yourself in the foot.

[@lasaylem2622]

That is the best way to put it! Big pharma gets antsy about losing 1% of sales for painkillers and detox drugs, and the alphabet soup of government agencies ride in to save us from safer, effective, natural and cheaper kratom! So glad we've got the best government money can buy! I guess we got quite the bargain by electing Trump - that probably cut out a few (hundred) middlemen

[@welders4truth135]

Exactly

[@greattunesking1]

Cody Stewart Hello! And they are banning it as we speak in Wisconsin. I wonder what state is next? We have a Out-Of-Control Government with a bunch of Wacko Politicians who are drunk on Money & Power! Really Sad.

[@cody808H]

Larry Long couldn’t agree more buddy.

[@gregskigreg6422]

Have ever had a coffee enema? Joe Rogan:As a matter of fact I'm having one now.

[@JY-tq8dr]

haha yessss

[@zacharytyge4327]

Lots of benefits from coffee enemas lol google max gerson

[@jessemontano762]

holy fuck. best

[@vitojohn8168]

Have you ever heard viagra? Joe : i'm on it right now

[@alexanderpanayi7212]

😂

[@aliomid8283]

I fucked my knee up lol

[@indigenousamerican3148]

Hamilton suddenly looks below table to see Joes huge bulge in his pants 😄

[@bardhyli77]

@@aliomid8283 Joe" I turned right all od a sudden, slapped my meat on my knee"😂😂😂

[@aking8477]

Shit I was taking that in my 20's. That stuff is great!!

[@anderyx8088]

Joe Rogan: You ever heard of DMT? Roe Jogan: I'm on it right now

[@captainramius790]

Your thumbnail makes this comment hilarious

[@mineduck3050]

A robed jack-skunk visited my dream, told me to fertilize grass soil with warm liquid plastics. He instructed me to take the grass and burn it, smoke the dinosaurs, and win the war on drugs. You sir i choose to breathe this first. Your were prophesied, not by the robed jack-skunk, but by a beeming-curr. It's ordained. Send me location or else.

[@isaacrodriguez7628]

Earl of Sandwich I’ll send you location, if you send me some of whatever you’re on

[@karlosgivenchy3881]

Noice

[@scottvelez3154]

@@mineduck3050 I'll have what you're having.

[@MyDixieWrecked247]

I was using Kratom for 6 years, but thanks to the power of cocaine I finally kicked my Kratom addiction.

[@nullroblah1946]

Christ😭😭

[@afigodess]

Stupid, cocaine is the whack af.

[@leslierequenez2976]

👁👄👁 offfff offff offf offff - the lady from that Cheech and Chong movie that snorts Ajax thinking it was werk 🤣

[@MyDixieWrecked247]

@@leslierequenez2976 great scene. Great movie.

[@smokeandmirrors6167]

Meth got me off that nasty habit! Now I'm digging my face apart and feel so much better. When I tweek out and steal my mom's purse I think "thank goodness I'm on meth now"

[@jimminyjemimah]

I like how Joe Rogan is a semi-informed, relatable guy, that brings on very knowledgeable guests and asks the questions that most people would want to know the answers to. He also puts forward the ideas and stereotypes that most people have, brings them to the table, and allows himself (and us) to be informed properly.

[@jimothyj2638]

Sadly the 2023 joe now believes whatever his republicans friends tell him

[@robertwilkins3160]

Usually, I would agree with you, but Hamilton is on such a different level Rogan might as well just listen lol

[@IntoxicatedRebal]

Well said

[@IntoxicatedRebal]

This is one of the best conversations about drugs IV heard.

[@WilliamBKeck]

If you can smoke your own body weight in pot, you deserve to live.

[@WilliamBKeck]

@@tommydorlac8700 More than likely.

[@Smokechaser92]

😂

[@DKM.23]

William B. Keck thats not a more than likely it’s a flat out 100% impossible 😅 A gram can put you on your ass how the fuck are you gonna smoke 80kg of weed that’s impossible beyond impossible. However I would like to know how they calculated that figure... cause with concentrated thc oils now you could absolutely consume a large amount of thc that could equate to multiple ounces or pounds I couldn’t possibly estimate it but no fucking way you’re gonna od haha

[@1thon]

Drew M A GRAM?!😭

[@DKM.23]

Sugar Tits I think its referring to thc overdose so yeah that’s what I was thinking, resins and oils are crazy potent so you could potentially consume a shit load but I don’t think you’d come close to actually od’ing. Remember you’re gonna be getting more high the more you consume! It’s a never ending battle that continues to get harder! I don’t think I could consume my body weight of anything, least of all weed 😂

[@foursnips]

"Have you ever heard of the Joe Rogan experience?" Joe: We're on it right now.

[@NobodyzJelly]

Best one

[@terrenceklaverweide6356]

HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[@micklovin9836]

Gay

[@foreveryactionthereisacons1683]

@@micklovin9836 You are? Fantastic 👏🌈

[@foreveryactionthereisacons1683]

Hahaha 🤣😂

[@hal900x]

"Yeah I'm on it right now!" -Joe Rogan on every drug-related podcast.

[@nobo.314]

Lmao

[@KoriMichelle]

😂👏

[@greattunesking1]

hal900x Thank you for your Common Sense attitude. I hope & pray that only people who stand up for Kratom will speak. Not anyone who wants to support it in a Negative way. All this does is feed our Hateful Tyrannical Government.

[@PatrickBaptist]

They kinda have, in some places it's illegal to collect rain water.

[@nightmare_core_]

Illegal? The government can't control nothing, people always find a way to get it, the same way they claim there are no cures for certain diseases ironically there is if you stop believing everything they say, and find out for yourself.

[@MrDocboz]

im a retired medical doctor.i went to thailand to do rehab after my total hip replacement.I also had many other problems including that my other hip will probably need a replacement and could be looking at spinal surgery.I treid other pharmaceutical pain meds which gave me come downs and made me irritable.I used kratom at 6 grams twice a day to get me through my strenuous rehab workouts.i did this for 3 months and stopped the kratom before travelling to australia where its illegal.I was reading about all the addictive properties and the withdrawals.I felt absolutely fine with zero withdrawal symptoms.the fact that governments ban plants will one day be looked at the same way people thought the earth was flat and burnt people for being witchs.This is a natural plant medicine and I hope this helps someone whos suffering now

[@Nicole-dj3jf]

Where can i get it please help me im on xanx my anxiety is horrible please i went off for 7 days and day 3 took a turn for the worse i couldn't walk sleep talk my nerves where off the chart it was hell on earth please help me where do it buy and what kind help me please

[@1neAdam12]

Had a bit of a cycling career in mid-West Fla, and a lot of the guys I rode with were ex-runners who all had their hips replaced by 50. That you as well?

[@manzanilla4102]

Everyone's different there's some people that experience heroin like withdrawal but obviously with less intensity because it takes effect on your opioids receptor

[@MrDocboz]

@@1neAdam12 I'm a regular gym goer,was a wrestler in high school and started Brazilian jiu jitsu in my forties and trained regularly in that for 16 years up to black belt so not sure what caused it but probably overuse

[@1neAdam12]

@@MrDocboz Good for you.. It catches up quick though, huh. I don't mind so much the pangs of getting older. I spent my entire life tuning this body. I'd rather have creaky achy bones from being an athlete, than I would from living a sedentary life.

[@dopecello8670]

“Have you ever heard of krokodil?” Roe Jogan “oh I’m on it right now”

[@uhedum]

Damn! Straight to the good stuff.

[@ManaMunch]

roflmao

[@sasankmouli1987]

“Nat that’s the last decade stuff”

[@sidebar3970]

Sheeeesh 😂😂😂

[@elyaqui5324]

Damn I literally laughed so hard the MMS I was eating came out of my Nose.

[@Astrothunder_]

You ever heard of cocaine? Joe: “I’m on it right now”

[@Smokeyjoedamanedamythdalegend]

John Wick imonitrightnowbroyawananafuckinbump?

[@FatherAndSonBodybuilding]

Lmao

[@ChefCIntencity]

LMFAO 😂😂😂

[@cbeezy2]

micro sniffing

[@100PercentTHCfilmsX420X]

@@cbeezy2 lmao

[@rachelleblankenship6906]

First, I got Kratom from a friend and it changed my life, later I was also getting the same brand as you from headshops, later I found a better alternative online - New Dawn Kratom (it costs like 5 times less and its way better. Kratom saved me from an alcohol addiction of 22 years. Haven't had a drink in 3.5 years and life has nerve been better. I tried rehabs, meetings, been in jail, lost jobs, lost marriages and I just couldn't quit. Thank God for kratom.

[@toneygoetz1171]

Incredible herb, kratom saved my life, can't be thankful enough for it! Thanks for sharing your story, I'll also look into your recommended vendor, they look really legit. I am currently also buying from head shops, I did not know you can get it online. Stay safe brother

[@faustosouth7305]

I also stopped drinking 2 years ago thanks to Kratom, I feel you!

[@cosmindanilescu4992]

Similar story for me, Kratom saved my life, it's the best thing that happened to me, I got a 2nd chance in life because of it.

[@adriansuciu7875]

What strain you are taking to avoid tolerance? I'm taking it for 1 year now and I'm good, but I'm trying to play it safe. Thanks for sharing your source, they look promising. Let me know your fav strain if possible

[@mihai6889]

Thanks for sharing awareness on this amazing plant, stories like yours make me believe it will never get banned!

[@JohnGeorge-pw2xo]

I started doing drugs since my teenage, got addicted to opioid. Spent my whole life fighting opioid addiction. I suffered severe depression and mental disorder. Was actually diagnosed with cptsd. Not until my wife recommended me to psilocybin mushrooms treatment. Psilocybin treatment saved my life honestly. 4 years totally clean. Never thought I would be saying this about mushrooms.

[@Islasss-z8m]

I love hearing great life changing stories like this. I want to become a mycologist because honestly mushrooms are the best form of medicine (most especially the psychedelic ones) There are so many people today used magic mushrooms to ween off of SSRI medication- its amazing! Years back i wrote an entire essay about psychedelics. they saved you from death buddy, lets be honest here.

[@MorrisBasar-jm9lc]

Can you help me with the reliable source 🙏. I'm 56 and have suffered for years with addiction, anxiety and severe ptsd, I got my panic attacks under control myself years ago and they have come back with a vengeance, I'm constantly trying to take full breaths but can't get the full satisfying breath out, it's absolutely crippling me, i live in Germany. I don't know much about these mushrooms. Really need a reliable source!! Can't wait to get them

[@CathieGomez-mp8sk]

YES very sure of mycologist Predroavaro. This treatment worked for me. Helped me got rid of my life long depression and BPD.

[@Micnesia-c1l]

Thanks for sharing your story. That's rough I sympathize. Save your health save your mind. Life is better without heroin, cocaine, alcohol and cigarettes. And you have more money in your pocket. God bless everyone who has rejected the devils intentions to be addicted to alcohol and cigarettes etc which can cause so much damage to health. I will pray for you all.

[@an1-u8f]

How do I reach out to him? Is he on insta

[@vampire_state_building1925]

this dude looks like a master at doing taxes

[@Wiithmere]

Vampire_State_Building ! He’s a master at doing drugs and studying them

[@michaelmolina9667]

Why because he looks Jewish

[@dr.cornbread3299]

Michael Molina yes

[@ITWUT]

@@michaelmolina9667 Hamilton has done more drugs than you probably ever will. 'cept he does his on camera..

[@swpa8742]

He looks like he’s ready to croak

[@alexandersteiner4371]

I was an alcoholic for many years. Drinking cost me everything. My wife, my house, many jobs and even my kids stopped talking to me. Then I found Kratom and I have been sober for a year and eight months and have regained some of what I lost. The most precious thing is, I've reestablished a relationship with the kids.

[@alexandersteiner4371]

@Fah Qtube Yep. Much better and more manageable than the old addiction. I suppose you have no flaws, huh. Must be awesome to be perfect. Tell me all about it

[@GeidRimla]

Im sorry man but youre not sober, try the 12 steps. Much better than any drug Ive been on

[@alexandersteiner4371]

@@GeidRimla couldn't do the twelve steps. It's either take the Kratom and be sober more so than I was or go back to drinking and being an intolerable ass clown that does stupid shit and loses everything. I'll stick with the Kratom. Do you consider people who take coffee to be sober?

[@vis_ion_]

If it means anything I totally understand and am happy that you found a reasonable substitute for the alcohol Only alcoholics can appreciate what you’re saying Much love brother take care

[@conradspear4241]

Powerful man! Do it for the kiddos

[@TaticalDuD]

Joe "Packet says two, I just took 6" Rogan

[@Ikari777]

Joe keeps it real. They have to say drastically under what would help in most cases.

[@miniwarrior7]

"I once took 10" he didn't even research the mg on the dosage and what's actually useful 😂

[@raymondkidwell7135]

@@Ikari777 Two kratom pills is almost nothing. Probably wouldn't even feel it unless you weigh 90 pounds or something. 6-10 is more like a normal dose.

[@2yoked70]

Think that’s crazy take 4 OPMS gold pills on an empty stomach...Guarantee your ass will be fuUUUUUCKED

[@raymondkidwell7135]

@klaus 420 True but if you take Kratom in capsule form you are just wasting it. I guess its ok since its so cheap anyway. If you actually split the capsules open and swallow it, then its about twice as potent. Most of what gets you high is when its absorbed in your mouth and such. In Capsule form a lot of it just passes through your system.

[@jordanrose8443]

Kratom has certainly helped a lot of people with harm reduction from opioid addiction, but for me, I'd never been an addict until I started taking it. The physical and mental issues that come with it after years of use is something more people should be aware of. The quittingkratom subreddit isn't just fear mongering.

[@Maverick20117]

Amen, that subreddit is a huge wake up call and I am frequently on it. Actually quitting kratom after years of taking it is extremely tough

[@TĥėBŕöŵnĒgģ-420]

Kratom ain't shit do some real drugs

[@pbabiesinspace6112]

Delta9 gummies help me with booze cravings. And I don't really like weed. They just make me not want to drink. Tried kratom once and I either didn't take enough or just already had too high of an opiate tolerance.

[@chompachangas]

I see people asking about kratom use all the time, and my answer is: if you don't NEED to be on it, don't start it. Edit for clarification: I have used it for 15 years to control pain. It works great, but I can't recommend it for recreation. That's what *real* drugs are for.

[@Andrew-pv8oz]

@@chompachangaswould you say it is possible to use it occasionally ? For example as an alternative to alcohol if I were to use it a couple times a month

[@hartbridges201]

Hamilton’s ability to clearly state his thoughts and feelings is admirable.

[@alexc7857]

Calm yo hormones:o

[@burntthetoast]

he worked with Vice on all types of drugs and would take them as well. I'd check it out if you like Hamilton. It is on youtube.

[@donaldsmyth727]

@@burntthetoast What are Hamilton's background qualifications beyond using? Seems he may have an Anthropology degree?

[@nextdoordarts3770]

Joe says he “has a friend who takes 10 pills and works out”, like he’s not talking about himself..

[@Kozycz]

He’s referring to mark bell

[@heavymeddle28]

Hahaha... You're on to something here😊

[@The17thletter_]

Lmao this comment made me laugh at work damnit

[@floyd7146]

He's speaking of Joey Diaz 😉

[@KasumovMedia]

@@Kozycz mark bell is pretty baby dumping a kilo into his face by this point

[@SuperRandomizer2000]

Kratom helped me get off of kratom

[@apz41998]

superrandomizer 2000 underrated comment

[@bakedandsteaked]

@@apz41998 it's six days old lol

[@anselpeneloperainblossom-s3489]

Dammit man! KruhTOM helped you get off Kratom..

[@yelnickmcwawa5858]

@@bakedandsteaked what's your point?

[@VanStubbs80]

Lmao

[@chompachangas]

I've used kratom for the past 15 years or so to manage my nerve and arthritis pain. In that time, I stopped consuming alcohol, street drugs, I've kept the same desk job for 10 years, been happily married for 12, own a house and paid off the car. There seems to be a real disconnect between what people think a kratom user is and what we actually can be. This is largely due to the ongoing opioid crisis hysteria. There isn't a viable option for pain management available for a lot of people in the USA anymore. Pain patients are often treated like criminals and junkies and either turned away or monitored to the point of weekly piss tests and strict medication use guidelines. Prescriptions for opioid pain medication has dropped yet deaths from overdoses continue to skyrocket despite restrictions. Why? Fentanyl has filled that demand for relief. What exactly is the point of these restrictions when street fentanyl is cheap and plentiful? Anyway, I'm glad I got out of that racket. I feel like a beat the system and I'm lucky to be alive.

[@warehousejo007]

👍🏽✌🏽🖖🏽

[@1Indig0]

I’ve worked an honest lifestyle, work, don’t drink, don’t smoke, but my job choices are brutal to my body. I deal with so much pain and have no relief, I was at a shop asking questions and it’s supposed to help with pain and energy. I feel like some people can overdo anything- but the right person and the right dose/intention I think this can really help a person without it being disabling.

[@1Indig0]

I’m grateful your 15 years into success it sounds to me and I’m glad to hear it could help me as well considering I deal with something -like- arthritic and nerve pain. Having no good drs around and x rays no one among other GI issues that can be very upsetting I’m hoping my first time today will be a blessing.

[@highmedic2351]

How many grams for pain?

[@Nicole-dj3jf]

Does anyone answer please im on xanx never told how evil they where ween hahhaha you cant ween off xanx never day 3 i couldn't walk my legs where jello my mind gone my heart beating i jump at any sound please i need help i had no choice but to take them again 😢please any one with a heart help me please 🙏

[@AeonsOfBlight]

Joe "IM ON IT RIGHT NOW" Rogan.

[@ZeroMass]

Lol that's the most suitable middle name for the little toe..

[@Spiegal5562]

Oh oh oh....

[@famousforever8556]

What's the recommended dosage? I don't know, take a look

[@davidd.teetersii7317]

Famous Forever I take 3 milligrams per dosage as many as 4 a day and having Kratom is the only reason I could get off bupenorphine (Suboxone) which I had been on for 5 years after i decided to kick heroin and other opiates. I have been clean for a whole year in August and I thank God everyday.

[@alexlarsen6568]

@@davidd.teetersii7317 milligrams? Or grams? because 3 milligrams is like almost nothing

[@MGrenierify]

I've been taking Kratom powder for 5 to 6 years now. Other than getting naucious from taking too much at onnce I've never had any signs or episodes revealing that it was dangerous. Being an ex opiate addict I can tell you 100% that the Kratom plant helped me get clean off all street and pharmaceutical opioids! Thank God for the Kratom plant.

[@amd1273]

Let's hope they don't ban it. That would be awful

[@primitiveanxiety7135]

Very happy for you.

[@delilahphantom4772]

I agree 100% recovering heroin addict clean for 4 years💯

[@shannonbeee3760]

Just an FYI: You may not feel like that forever! I had a hard time getting off kratom and it's nasty! Made me feel awful...Hopefully, you won't have the same experience! Good Luck!

[@MGrenierify]

@@shannonbeee3760 I was just stating that Ive never felt as though it was dangerous. Now I'll be the first to admit that long term over use most certainly has negative side effects. It certainly is not pleasurable to come off of either. The first 3 days were of course miserable. I didn't start to feel normal or even slightly happy until days 7 through 10. Thank you for your comment though. Any accurate knowledge of this stuff is always good to share.

[@nikitakowalewski3131]

Heroin saved my life, helped me get off Kratom

[@charlesdeyo6154]

Thats seriously not funny

[@troyduncanchannel3360]

Kratom got me off of pain medication in the past, and then I stopped taking thd kratom and then has no withdrawals. Kratom saves lives, it is no killer. Besides if you start mixing stuff anything can kill you. Like idiots that get drunk while taking oxycontin. Since that happens on a by the minute basis now...Should we make booze illegal because people love to mix that with drugs of all types, or should the oxycontin be illegal because it wipes out about 40,000 people a year. Yet, it remains legal. Should it be banned? 🤷‍♂️ Nobody has an answer. But it is a proven fact that Kratom can help you get off of heroin or oxycontin without letting the withdrawals butcher and maim you. Peace.✌🙏👍

[@larrylarralde1709]

🤣🤣funny

[@charlesdeyo6154]

@Joebatain Maxx you really needed heroin to get off kratom? Ive never had the impulse.

[@chekuamrizal]

🤭 🤭

[@SamAxeman]

I got hooked on Oxy's after I separated my shoulder, I had a friend who owned a medical cannabis shop in Washington who put me to work and gave me all the pot I wanted on the condition that I didn't touch anything else. Been opioid free for over 10 years now not to mention what a difference it made with my ADHD.

[@randyjero4664]

Similar story to myself.

[@yookim593]

What’s that got to do with kratom?

[@midwestoiljobsdotcom]

You ever heard of credit cards? Joe: "i'm in crippling debt right now."

[@patricknace9562]

Neil Roberts underrated

[@Uggysuperpants64]

Neil Roberts haha haha haha 🤣 I laughed way too hard

[@damians901]

Who's still here after he signed for Spotify?

[@Pak-ll1gr]

Neil Roberts legit lol 🤣🤣🤣

[@chancewirick6439]

I Legit died laughing

[@apostleofazathoth7696]

"I took six of em?" "Six what?" "Six kratoms!"

[@yungastolfo1772]

Wkuk?

[@MisterBlue80]

😄

[@g1mmedatdome284]

Damn am I ok I did 17 weeds???

[@guillermocardenal8362]

yeah he didnt say that

[@obthree2830]

Ya I’m on 6 right now I fucked my knee up! I did 10 once. Gotta love Joe.

[@Calilou52]

Kratom just helped me finally get off painkillers after 6 years of abusing them. 6 years of every day use and crippling anxiety and depression, I got off them with almost no issue thanks to Kratom. Didnt even go through withdrawal. Took it for the first month of being off painkillers and after that stopped the kratom and I have my life back. It truly is incredible if you are stuck in drug addiction

[@alisac.1560]

How hard was it to get off of Kratom for you? I'm very interested in doing this!!

[@Calilou52]

@@alisac.1560 I just used it for the first two weeks to get past PAWS and stopped with no withdrawal.

[@justified1496]

Use Kratom for pain med withdrawals , then cbd oil and aspirin to leave kratom. Then eat an antifungal diet to finish bringing good health back. Kratom after a few months will wreck your bladder , and kidneys by the way.

[@josephgood2704]

Congrats man... As someone that took painkillers and was shooting heroin for years I certainly don't understand how this was better than a really good 5 day subutex taper or even just a cold turkey cut out.. I found Kratom an awful solution that isn't effective enough to actually take away serious withdrawals and also just suffers from the lack of legality and therefore also the production of quality kratom. For me. Subutex was the savior. Long term Suboxone use is AWFUL. Just as bad as methadone and harder to come off than Oxy's or heroin. But if you're using oxy/heroin you can literally come off in 5 days with very little withdrawal and very little pain with a good smart sub taper.. i also know many people that got sober with kratom 3 times, subs 3 times, and methadone 3 times, only to then make themselves detox with nothing so that it would stick in their brain. Everyone is different. That's awesome it worked for you but I really hope people don't just jump on this. There's a reason it's not the go to.

[@Calilou52]

@@josephgood2704 Every user I knew/know has a kratom stash right next to their sub stash, I have yet to personally meet anyone who it didnt work for but I am aware its not a solution for everyone. It can also become another addiction. But for me I felt literally no withdrawal and only used it for about a week. Used subutex and suboxone in the past and they worked decent, but seemed to make my rabid anxiety worse. Kratom however helped with it a lot. Just my experience. But thank you man, congrats to you as well

[@MrKsan05]

I was hurt very badly on the job and was prescribed heavy doses of narcotics by doctors for 20 years and the pharmacy filled it without question in high numbers and then the day came that the doctors didn't want to prescribe it and the pharmacies called me a drug addict for something they started and did without problem for 20 years. It is a screwed-up world we live ion.

[@MrRajsta]

Well they are right. Its up to you how much you choose to use.

[@MrRajsta]

How often

[@nuclearcloud9239]

"Have you seen my dilldo?" -Joe "I'm on it right now."

[@littlecentz]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@cannonfodder8287]

Bruh....

[@jerseyinthephilippines1283]

@@cannonfodder8287 🤣

[@allynated]

This takes the cake

[@jrmrhot9]

LMFAOOOO🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MoonshineDrone]

Joe: “I have a friend who takes ten pills before he works out.” Joe is the friend.

[@letsgopeople5933]

🤣

[@timpowers6876]

No he talked about this guy on other podcasts

[@cxde11]

@@timpowers6876 r/wooosh

[@crispycruiser4654]

Well he did admit that he did it after...

[@abdirahmanali9649]

@@cxde11 no u

[@michaelfusaro8997]

Kratom is the reason I am clean and off pain pills.

[@sofa_king_weta_did]

Mike Fusaro Many others have done the same; Kratom saves lives and families! God bless!

[@catherinetriplett5908]

Mike Fusaro if your on kratom your not clean

[@neighborsonthemoon1777]

+Catherine McGuire don't knock somebody's progress. It makes you look like a real piece of shit

[@robertclarkguitar]

I need to find out where and what to by to stop the 7 years of Subutex. I've told the doc long time I want off. He just says when myself. I cannot. I'm at 6 mg a day. Tiny pieces a day I take few times a day rather than whole pills. I cant handle the sickness it gives when I take it. I've been too long taking it. I dont need it anymore. I wonder if this kratom would work for 1 month plan. Or two weeks.

[@dw7407]

Kratom ended my Vicodin addiction, took a while and I plan on quitting Kratom when the time feels right. I'm so happy to see you're doing well!

[@daffyshakilfur3563]

I remember watching Hamiltons show on Vice back in early 2000s. He is impressively well versed and mature about all the substances he experiments with.

[@israelleelll]

My friend's mom crushed her spine in a car accident and lives in constant pain. They had her on opioids for years so she could function like a normal person. Because of the "opioid epidemic" outcry they passed laws which cut her pain medication. She has been taking kratom to help with the pain and addiction. Now they even want to take that away. 500,000ish people die every year from cigarettes? If their reason for banning it is the death count, then they are either wildly hypocritical or have an alternative reason. Knowing big pharma, this is happening because they don't want to you to be able to treat yourself. I think we should have the freedom to ingest what we want. Do we not own our bodies?

[@mynameislove7605]

It's legal where i am now and smoke going up for mom. I use Kraytom powder and it's a much healthier alternative than opioid pills. I agree with what you said and cigarettes and in my opinion alcohol should be more regulated than anything. How many people die from drunk driver's and liver disease? And it lead's to domestic assaults and in some cases murder. I'm a survivor of domestic abuse and will date anyone who drink's.

[@jasonr3467]

Israelleelll 5 million people die a year from tobacco not 500,000. Also 4 million alcohol deaths.

[@missymusings]

Amen!!!

[@jasonr3467]

Josh from Duncannon kratom is a life saver for opioid dependant users

[@jasonr3467]

Josh from Duncannon but people are impressionable and your comment could be interpreted as negative. Currently the DEA wants to schedule Kratom. That would be devastating for millions of people who want an herbal and safe alternative to opiates.

[@none-ya-dam821]

The people that died didn't have just kratom in their system. They had multiple drugs in their system.

[@johnrice1943]

One had a bullet in the heart

[@jbad1710]

Exactly.. Same concept with the "steroid" deaths.

[@melanieskeen4351]

Exactly. There were only 32 deaths deaths w kratom reported and ZERO were kratom-only related. Every single case were poly substance associated. There were 52 caffeine-only reported mortality cases last year and 458 acetaminophen (APAP) deaths with >100k APAP poisonings. No one blinks an eye at that. Laughably ridiculous.

[@michelleheidler983]

Right?! Guy drowns. He has coffee in his system so this is clearly a coffee related death! 🤦🏻‍♀️ No. Just no.

[@brittrhea7688]

There have been cannabis deaths, aspirin deaths, and water deaths, really. We cannot take a life changing healing botanical away from the 1000s that have broken the chains of hard drug addiction because a few unfortunates had a reaction usually with other substances. There is a reason I never heard of kratom for the years of agony i spent hurting my family and myself and its not because nobody knew. Big Pharm is of course threatened by this viable and inexpensive opiate addiction cure but its our responsibility to those ahead of us who fall victim to heroin and pk torture to keep this legal and available.

[@S0l1dZ3r0]

Guy: "Have you ever heard of Flinstones vitamins?" Joe: "I'm on it right now."

[@allisgrace1313]

🤣😂🤣

[@jamesdykes517]

More likes. This is the best I'm on it.

[@tcorourke2007]

Man, it is impossible to overdose on Flinstones'!

[@MrBridgevillen]

u jest, but about 15 years ago, they did an extensive study of all the name-brand, top-selling multi-vitamins... and they found that the FLINSTONES had the most bio-availability, combined with a good range, and appropriate dosage; it came in #1, over Centrum, 1-a-day, and the equivalent generics

[@S0l1dZ3r0]

@@MrBridgevillen Guess I'm getting on Flinstones now. Thanks.

[@andrewcounts8019]

I have had a severe mental dependency on pot for years (I know that sounds stupid), my new job requires me to pee clean and for over a year I couldn’t quite stop, Kratom has successfully got me off pot. It’s not the same at all but the slight calming and relaxing head buzz and the undeniable pain relief was what all it took to allow me to keep my job and sanity.

[@kylemulvihill4864]

Tell me what to expect..I have this same issue but I use thos disposables from the cbd store here in Nebraska where some delta products are legal to consume. I don't use the real stuff as it's not legal here..any way, I would like to kick it and go get that job..pros cons give me your best Kratos 101 course. Serious ask.

[@cfox8510]

@@kylemulvihill4864 try it out in small amounts and see how it affects you! everyone is different. good luck, i hope you get that job!

[@joshbeyer9757]

I’ll sell you pot

[@CindyMoore-uw1cx]

@@joshbeyer9757lol stop it 😂😂😂😂

[@melanievictor9521]

Fact: In 2008, there were 809 people who died from strangling in their own bedsheets. When are we going to ban these?

[@papi2487]

What smh

[@Noname-xu7rr]

skuxs they Epstein’d themselves

[@grannygear1001]

And ppl die from stairs every year.

[@olesmokey394]

And roughly 200 people kill thereself each day also i feel like drugs are a way out but a gun is too banning something does not mean people wont use it or get it if you think that your very dumb slick all banning it does is gives plugs somethin else to sell for huge profites look at every drug era if you think im incorrect literally goes the same way every time if you want a diffeent system check out portugal they have made drastic changes in drug addiction in the population unlike the us which brands people as bad people and shames them which helps noone

[@seanridley6279]

Facts better over here, Read This : Smell. Fart. Death. Ha. Gazillion people die a day from the death fart stench of my death farts. Ha. Death Farts !

[@metal_chair]

this entire comment section is just Joe "I'm on it right now" Rogan

[@SeanDS89]

Lol seriously 😂

[@rubenfranco8373]

This is hilarious! 😂😂😂😂😂👍🏼

[@punani_slayer4209]

Either that or "kratom saved my life"

[@Unfamous_Buddha]

@@punani_slayer4209 -- The only reason I ever wanted to try kratom was because the DEA wanted to ban it a few years ago. When I saw that I thought, "Oh this must be some good shite!" It was. I used the green or white variety (not the red, painkiller leaves) because it was like an amphetamine. Got me speedy and I liked using it for when I was working.

[@palwalt8039]

So stupid...These are the people that took 15 jabs and still get covid..

[@HototoManyGoats]

I'm happy to see McLovin is doing well.

[@InnaVitamina777]

Haha

[@arapahoman837]

That one made my day

[@brandonrickbornponyexpress6574]

😆

[@vvvtwo]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@EugeneHaroldKrab]

lmao

[@IzzyAzzy46]

I injured my back a couple years ago and kratom helped me a lot. Now that my back pain is gone I no longer take it but I’m glad it’s still legal and is helping other people like me.

[@BirdNerd769]

Been taking kratom for 4+ years now. About 7 Years ago got really sick with Lyme disease. Between $300/ hour specialist and my doctor I was told id have shaking/tremors/ seizures for the rest of my life. Thing got easier but they were always there. Buddy told me about kratom for energy. Ended up trying it and it’s the only thing that takes the shaking, seizures away. Tried everything doctors prescribed and nothing worked. Kratom basically gave me my life back again. Also got off alcohol because of kratom.

[@HIPPIETHUG92109]

Have you tried RSO? You may want to look into that.

[@BirdNerd769]

@@HIPPIETHUG92109 never heard of RSO, what is it?

[@HIPPIETHUG92109]

@@BirdNerd769 Rick Simpson oil. The Vice channel did a mini documentary on it regarding all the benefits

[@BirdNerd769]

@@HIPPIETHUG92109 never heard of it but thank you appreciate it. I’ll definitely look into it. I’m down for anything that will help.

[@parkerzentner6191]

Dude I have Lyme as well and started taking Keaton, it’s been such a game changer with helping the mental side effects of neuro Lyme. I’m glad to hear it’s helped with your tremors and siezures.

[@arthurfleck816]

3 spine surgeries, and the docs gave my Oxy. Took kratom instead and it WORKS! Please keep this plant legal!

[@johnathanspell1899]

What kind?

[@ivanreese7087]

Let me buy your script lmao

[@missdee5169]

Which one do you take? I’ve had 4 spinal surgeries and was just approved of getting a spinal stenosis inserted in my back to help with the pain and I tried the Bali Red Vein Kratom to see if maybe it would help, I keep trying different meds and different therapies.

[@sarahkathryn3731]

I’ll buy all you’re oxy

[@ivanreese7087]

@@sarahkathryn3731 oh I like you Sarah

[@pequewarrior]

“You ever heard of black tar heroin?” “Im on it right now” - Joe

[@StAnger561to770]

I dated this weire chick once. Well it wasnt really dating, she just came over to my place a couple of times, but that is another story. Anyway I met her on some type of social media app and she posted a photo there with a bowl with this weird looking brown stuff on top. Some ppl commented "what is that?" She called it "moonrocks" but I made a comment that it was "black tar caviar" But she deleted my comment, lol. Eventually deleted her account there entirely. As did I. Btw she was also a former meth head and told me she quit using it years ago but that she could sometimes "smell it" while she was asleep. Girl was cra cra.

[@indiohuarachudo8433]

I’m the ugly mf😔

[@rocketknoxler6516]

Lol why does everybody spell heroin like that

[@StAnger561to770]

@Jim Cornette ah moonrocks are not mdma. She actually claimed it was moonrocks but i could tell it was not.

[@StAnger561to770]

@Jim Cornette I am not sure what you are referring to because slang is different in different areas but from where I was at moonrocks meant bud that had been rolled in kief (look up kief if you need to) I never heard of anyone ever smoking MDMA. Molly is a pill. Although I am sure some idiots probably tried to crush it and smoke it or even snort it but I don't think they got any buzz from it. And any idiot who did that probably also thought chewing on tide pods was cool or funny

[@wingsofsteel3246]

How can anyone not love Hamilton, idk, he's got such a chill disposition and huge intellect, he's just a joy to be around, I bet

[@t.johnson2966]

My son has been clean for 2 yrs after starting Kratom. I would truly panic if this was illegal in Canada. Having my son back is the amazing!

[@kristinsrowland8313]

If it ever happens find me on Facebook I live in California I'll send it to u

[@newname4405]

I really am not trying to be a downer, but is that 2 straight years of using it? By all means, harm reduction is a strategy and I’d say better on kratom than methadone. But your son isn’t clean until he has nothing interacting with his opiate receptors, and time makes breaking a habit harder. The brain also learns, so to speak, and gets used to things - meaning going without after 2 years would be torture. If he’s still young and simple harm reduction isn’t all you’re going for, I’d look for a therapist familiar with kratom and talk out an exit strategy with GOOD SUPPORT in case things get hairy. I know it probably feels safer as is but the question becomes, is this what you both want for the rest of his life? Because it’ll only get harder, and as tolerance builds the risk of switching back grows also. As well, unlike say suboxone, kratom does not block the effects of opiates whatsoever. Just don’t think being on kratom is a cure all. It’s great for chronic pain sufferers, but for those that have addiction issues, it’s still a drug being used to alter one’s mood. Therapy is also worthwhile because usually there’s something underlying - for me it was anxiety and of course, opiates take care of that. So would kratom but I know it’s not a long term solution so I had to deal with some less wonderful days, worth it in the long run. In all seriousness, even if you never see this, I wish you and your son luck. Hopefully you also know the huge difference a supportive family can make in recovery, sounds like you have that part well covered.

[@jamesbrown4067]

I have over 2 straight years clean off opiates and amphetamines, I have been using Kratom every day. And while my kratom habit is getting heavy.. I'm still not using illegal drugs

[@jamesbrown4067]

Newname I agree that support is very important but I have support and it still gets hard. I also have chronic pain.. I'm 23, have a hip replacement, several broken vertebrae, and a broken tailbone. So I need something for pain

[@clinttenglin9030]

Tracey Johnson I hate to break it to you! He’s still an addict and addicted to Kratom! Hopefully he doesn’t go broke and can’t get it..

[@noahwillette2354]

Joe, you ever tried crystal meth? Joe-“I’m on it right now, don’t step on that lightbulb by your foot.

[@pedrohernandez7964]

Joe isn’t that stupid

[@CombatMysticMan]

Pedro Hernandez he probs is

[@mook3204]

opiliones 420 okay opioids 420

[@leeham6230]

@opiliones 420 Meth will ruin your life in months. Alcohol will ruin your life over decades.

[@leeham6230]

@opiliones 420 Well, I'm never going to try amphetamines, but I do occasionally drink alcohol. I know my limit, and NEVER drive drunk because I'm not an idiot. Alcohol is addictive, but what you said about wanting another drink until you pass out is not so much the addictive element, rather that's just the alcohol screwing with your better judement.

[@adabsurdum5905]

"People should be allowed to take drugs so long as they are educated about the risk" is about how I see it. We take that approach with skydiving, so why not drugs?

[@kungfew1396]

Because they can't justify spending millions of taxpayer dollars fighting skydiving like they did with the drug alchahol but they figured out something way more peofitable 80 years ago.

[@Cliffworks]

Big government hasn't figured out a way to get a piece of the pie yet

[@descripto2586]

Drug users will stop at nothing to justify their abuse. I've yet to meet one person who has taken drugs responsibly. They always want that mile when all they needed was an inch. Responsible drug use is meant to just get the job done and make you feel normal, it's not supposed to make you feel amazing. I.e. Joe taking 8 pills instead if two. It is 100% in our nature to abuse drugs. There's nothing to justify.

[@dannyg6045]

Screw up on skydiving your died no skin off the government budget. Mess up with drugs you could be addicted and then put on government programs costing money or brain dead and on life support costing the system again. Ppl don't understand about their shitty actions tax the system we are all apart of. Something's just cause more issues down stream and ppl don't get it. Fuck socialism but a lot of ppl can't handle freedom because when they mess up they expect a hand out from the government. Balance shit out by force in a Democratic way. You have to get rid of the hand outs so ppl can't fall back onto the system which I think that net is to broad for fuck ups.

[@TheBacknblack92]

@@descripto2586 many drugs will rewire your brain to justify taking it. Your own mind will work against you to convince yourself its okay to take the drug In order to deal with the cognitive dissonance of being an addict drug users will lash out at anything critical of their usage of the drug or the effects of the drug. They get extremely defensive They'll push it onto other people without even realizing what they're doing because their brains are subconsciously thinking if someone else is doing it then it isnt so bad for me to do it. Everyone overestimates their own willpower and when drug users try to argue moderation theyre talking about some utopian user that might hypothetically exist, but it isnt representative of their actual usage. There is no moderation. People who say they use in moderation are usually just addicts in denial, and if you pay attention to them it becomes very obvious. It's scary stuff when you learn how to recognize the addicts defensive response.

[@mariocruz6297]

Idk man, i tried kratom to kick opiates. And it didnt do anything lol and i took ALOT of kratom lols just felt like strong coffee. After about 30 min, affects were gone, and i was hella craving opiates again. Glad it works for some people. Only thing that worked for me was cold turkey, and Jesus Christ 🙏🏻. Thank God, ive been 100% sober from heroin, fentanyl, alcohol, and coke for 3 years now and going strong! My prayers go out to all the addicts out there.

[@amandasummers8423]

If you drank it in a tea I do wonder if it would have also been a routine that promoted healing...idk been clean 12 years I just quit cold turkey and maybe would have tried this had I known about it.

[@GnarGreen]

I had the exact same experience trying to use it while coming off of Heroin and benzos. They didn’t do a thing to help me. Cold Turkey is the only thing that works. And THC

[@josephamato8234]

You had some bs bunk kratom

[@josephamato8234]

​@@GnarGreenit won't help at all with benzos

[@joshuagarrison5378]

gas station junk doesnt work lol

[@jabberdouche]

Dude: "Do you like Dark Chocolate?" Joe: "I'm on it right now!"

[@johnnyparrish4019]

This is funnier than it should be to me

[@Eddie53172]

Lmao 😹

[@ethimself5064]

👍👍😂😂🤣🤣

[@dalelogan2125]

Kratom helped me get off of Kratom.. Kratom for president

[@antonio8904100]

KRATOM!!!

[@imRushie]

kratom helped me kratom you get what im kratoming?

[@kyahkelley9146]

LMFAO XD

[@DingDongDaddyFromDumas]

I used heroin to get off kratom

[@elgayetas]

A kratom just flew over my house

[@drexlspivey3047]

Kratom isn't illegal where I live, they advertise it on windows of stores everywhere, BTW I live in Washington state

[@NY51663]

Same here, in New York

[@yellowgoose5043]

Same here! Arizona.

[@moonhowler13]

Legal here in Florida as well. Such an amazing and helpful substance. I literally would not be physically able to do the job that I do without it. 3 grams once a day and I am able to live my life without painkillers or dangerous surgery.

[@Matt-ip8gw]

Yo who keaton

[@WarditchSC]

Taste horrible

[@CCCoolati]

Kratom didn’t do shit for my heroin addiction. 12 step program has helped me stay consistently clean and sober for 5 1/2 years.

[@StainsStainsStains]

Agree with this. Kratom simply isn't powerful enough to replace the sucker punch of your opioid receptors that heroin provides. Its a tickle compared to a punch. But its good for getting off other weaker opioids, including oxycodone.

[@shockalotti]

Did you try DMT?

[@dakotafriday]

Try meth

[@poolplexer]

Kratom helped me get off everyday soberness

[@hawkwind769]

Lol. Too true. So easy.

[@dallasprewitt8919]

Bro,best comment I've ever read...but sad

[@poolplexer]

@@dallasprewitt8919 it's a joke. Ease up

[@ChewbaccaOnDrugs1130]

I feel that lol You hear that new Token freestyle?

[@ckdub1888]

Michael Grisafi I hate being sober ☹️

[@tms1643]

Kratom got me off oxy. 4 years now.

[@kx65andyx85rider]

tms1643 that’s awesome! Glad you’re doing well

[@newp0rt]

man good for you. im currently taking both. but steadily moving on to kratom only. ive tried a few days of only kratom and i end up just not doing well. i get super sick. i was taking about 150mg-300mg of oxy a day. now down to about 20-50 and 3x 5g doses of kratom. god opiates are rough.

[@thabeast19318]

Awesome bro I'm 4 years clean as well pain pills are the devil... but pharmacists are still allowed to write them out.. this world is fucked

[@rebeccaspratling2865]

@@newp0rt you have to take it like every 3 or 4 hours every single time for the first few days after that space it out and continue to taper. That's the only way to prevent the severe withdrawal.

[@rebeccaspratling2865]

@@newp0rt good luck. If I did it then you can. ♥️

[@TheDutchessOfCornville]

Thanks to Kratom, I've avoided using any narcotic pain meds and have kept my anxiety managible. I'm able to be a good mother and still manage pain from multiple prior surgeries.

[@noahlangford6758]

Amber Starr have you ever looked into cbd?

[@TheDutchessOfCornville]

@@noahlangford6758 I'd really like to try it, I'm just melts about getting ripped off. There are so many vendors and it's overwhelming trying to make sure they're legit.

[@mattbrown292]

@@TheDutchessOfCornville Wtf you buy Kratom from some headshop in a strip mall, but you're scared of getting bunk CBD. Sounds like an excuse to me.

[@cadenceking8598]

Matt Brown you assume where she buys Kratom, which I’ve never seen a report of people selling non active kratom. But seen at least 10 law suits of inactive “CBD” products. You sound like a dick lol

[@IcyUuUu]

Where can I find it ? Looking for a reputable source

[@mitchellll86]

Kratom got me off of a decade long opioid addiction. Wish I would’ve known about it sooner.

[@urbex6057]

mitchellll86 does it really work like that? Asking for a friend...

[@moodook4040]

@@urbex6057 Can confirm. got 2 weeks under my belt. It hasn't been easy, but Kratom has helped so very much.

[@KoriMichelle]

mitchellll86 same

[@KoriMichelle]

Corey Thomas it does. Use it. It’s legal in most states. I use christophersorganicbotanicals.com

[@JaneCooper190072]

@@moodook4040 but note you've got an addiction to that, so really you haven't even started your detox

[@smalltown7773]

Kratom is a gift for people in pain not a party drug.

[@nicholasroberts7891]

yeah but youre still going to have people abuse it and give the entire drug a bad name..As someone who is prescribed benzos for severe GAD from PTSD, i have to say it has changed my life, i used to go up to 2 weeks without sleeping to the point i would be out of my mind with delusions. I have been on it for 5 years now, i have never abused it, but than you have the select few that do abuse it and they give the whole thing a bad name as a result. Kratom will be no different the abusers will give it a bad name even for the people who take it responsibly and for medicinal purposes

[@greattunesking1]

smalltown Completely Agree.

[@johndowns3839]

Not being in pain is a kind of mini-party in itself. One of life's tender mercies. Nothing wrong with savoring it.

[@graydenday3760]

I take it often and have never considered it something to party with. I mean, its less intense than weed. I can't imagine a bunch of frat Bros being like, "yeah man...got a keg of beer, an eight ball, some girls coming over, oh yeah and KRATOM."

[@jamesthegothfathermarcino6368]

@@nicholasroberts7891 right on bro

[@DiscoPrysm]

I take kratom every single day for my chronic back pain. When I was prescribed opiates I was absolutely miserable and I did everything I could to avoid any addiction and it still got to me. I was so depressed thinking that there was no other option for me and I’d have to take the pills every day or live my life in a very physically limited way. Then I learned about kratom and I was able to stop taking the prescriptions. It does feel similar to a low dose of opiates but I haven’t experienced any of the downsides I was with the prescriptions. It’s been 3 years now and I am happy and healthy and I can’t imagine where I’d be without kratom. I honestly might not be here. It was daunting. We have to keep this medicine available for those who need it. Both of my brothers used it to get off of heroin

[@you831able]

Jamie Mueller me too! Much better for back pain than opioids! Not as dangerous and not as addictive!

[@johnmarciano3801]

Jamie Mueller pop

[@Peaceful-Sheep]

I personally found kratom to be more effective in relieving my fibro pain, then the Percocet my Dr gave me.

[@anonymousguy1188]

Ok but has anyone who used it to get off opiates actually off kratom now or is it just the newest addiction (a million times better I know)

[@Peaceful-Sheep]

anonymous guy I have a friend who used it to get off of heroin. It really helped minimize the detox symptoms from my long-term opiate pain pill dependency. It is extremely useful to help with opiate detox symptoms. Its also useful for those with chronic pain issues, who do not want to use opioid meds.

[@TheDoats]

I was on pain meds for 4.5 years because of spinal injuries. I was taking 200mg of morphine a day. Kratom plus CBD and medical marijuana got me off all of that for the past 2 years. When I was on pain meds it took my pain away but I felt like shit all the time. Especially in the morning when I woke up. With kratom I have been able to work out again consistently I'm stronger than I have ever been in my life at 32 years old. I also don't feel like shit every morning. The withdrawals of kratom is nothing in comparison to pain med withdrawal.

[@HarioGu]

Have you ever heard of youtube? Me: im on it right now

[@bryanbryan6108]

lol

[@unk1537]

I'm a disabled USMC Vet and I've had 12 knee surgeries, including 3 Knee replacement (2 on 1 knee)...and I've been on Tramadol since 1998....needless to say, i was addicted; not bc it felt so good, but bc the WITHDRAWALS ARE ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY THE FN BOOGEY MAN!!! Well, i heard about Kratom (O.P.M.S. Gold) and I'm glad to report that I've been Tramadol clean since Aug 2019.....Oh shit, i just realized its my anniversary Hahahahaha! Congrats to me!!!! It Works Fam!

[@Slipmahoney21]

:Unkle: Quester. Tramadol is the worst drug to kick! Pure hell, makes OxyContin seem like aspirin.

[@billtommpson1630]

@@Slipmahoney21 yeah tramadol is hard to WD from and It's not even a opioid.. but worst feeling is WD from Clonazepam . at least with opioids you know it's going to end with in 2weeks cold turkey benzos took me years to feel normal and never will . Benzo are the devil

[@tommyphil4713]

Congrats man! I was addicted to pain pills and had to go to rehab for it. I have been clean for 5yrs now and take Kratom weekly. Its such an amazing plant and really helps with anxiety, pain, sleeping.

[@unk1537]

@@tommyphil4713 Thx TP! It literally saved my marriage... Pain is no joke and doesn't enable one to want to be nice 😁

[@newcreation1221]

I am a recovering heroin addict and I take Kratom to curb my cravings. My husband got off methadone with it. That is the hardest thing to withdraw from. Even worse then heroin. He has been clean for 2 years and I have been clean 18 months. Both of us were addicted for half our life. Kratom saved our lives.

[@James-uk4xi]

People die every year from rocking vending machines and getting crushed by them. They should be illegal.

[@baronvonsnazzy3355]

About 500 people die every year from over dosing/over using Tylenol

[@STDealer]

Such a stupid comparison

[@johnboy5355]

Lol, terrible comparison. Use your brain bro

[@ThinkingFreedom]

why is it a stupid comparison? The point is you shouldn't just jump to conclusions about whether something is worthwhile to take or not based on whether a few people among a population of billions have died

[@James-uk4xi]

@Michael Jordan Champagne corks are very dangerous. I know a guy who's second cousin got one in the eye.

[@We-Do-NOT-Consent-303]

Hamilton Morris is very knowledgeable about substances. And he's got the right idea about the addiction and other related subjects. Every drug effects different people differently. Of course there is some overlap, but we are totally unique individuals, so this is to be expected. Also depending on circumstances and the geographic origin of the plant.

[@mc12358]

I'm addicted to not being in pain... of all the people I've heard discuss opiates, Hamilton is the only one that is actually smart and understands the subject.

[@Zeklore]

Physical or psychological. I've suffered from severe debilitating depression for years. When your life is nothing but misery from the pain, you only see two options: make the pain stop fast or end it all. Kratom almost alleviated my symptoms entirely. Gave me my life back. Its not without risk, the withdrawals are pretty terrible, but so are withdrawals from anti-depressants or pain-killers, so if you're going to be addicted to something, hope that its the safest and most EFFECTIVE option

[@DJDouglasWarden]

Just took my last dose. Only coffee and cannabis for morning. Hoping to get a couple hours cash at work tomorrow so I can hit the shop on my break. At least I'm not pawning gear for fet

[@gorillafunk725]

Hamilton is quite intelligent. But to say he is the " only one" is ridiculous. His tv series simply shared the understanding that multiple thousands of chemists have. Loved his TV series back when free to air TV actually featured the occasional stuff that was actually worth watching.

[@dafnesaenz1617]

Amen to that. Living with chronic illness that borderlines disability without proper pain management is a real struggle, when the path of sobriety is not an option and you have to choose between different dependencies and which one is lesser of evils. Shits fucked up and fucks with me and my sanity. Hopefully i one day find peace with all of it.

[@mc12358]

@@dafnesaenz1617 peace for all who suffer. Sorry you're struggling right now.

[@chonky2129]

I lost 9 friends/co-workers in a helicopter crash and it destroyed me. I slipped into alcoholism and further wrecked my life for 4 years. One day my buddy gave me a couple kratom capsules to help with motivating me at work one day. I’ve been taking it daily for 5 years at this point. Had it not been for kratom, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t be here. I’ve been slowly reducing my doses and I’m now down to about 4 750mg capsules per day and I am going to be off of it completely soon. All without a doctor. If you don’t use it like an idiot, it can be an invaluable tool. This plant saved my life. Edit: You all are insanely kind. Thanks for all the generous words and thank you for showin' up for a homie. ✌

[@freesmoke8088]

Glad you’re still here. ❤️

[@skipstodder8996]

Did you quit finally? I am trying to. The withdrawls are nowhere near heroin but it still sucks, I just need to man up and put up with the restless legs and snot lol.

[@chonky2129]

​@@skipstodder8996 I haven't completely stopped taking them yet. Currently, I take one capsule when I wake up and one in the evening. I definitely felt the withdrawals that you're talking about though because I would take one of my days off and fight through it without taking any or very little. When I would resume the normal routine, each dose would be a little smaller. Example: If I was taking 5 capsules every 4 hours, 7 days a week, then after my "purge" day the normal routine would be 4 capsules every 4 hours etc etc.. Little bits of weed helped when I had problems sleeping but if I didn't have access to weed I'd probably just do Tylenol PM or something like that. I also ate a little healthier and started taking complete vitamins and it seems to help quite a bit energy-wise. I know it's annoying af but you'll get it. 💪

[@chonky2129]

@@freesmoke8088 Much appreciated. Thanks for the kind words. ❤️

[@texastoast5202]

@Lord john of castle johndle What do you mean by that? Do you mean that if your drug of choice is heroin, Kratom is the drug for you? I don't get your reply.

[@Botmoot]

I worked at a bookstore/herbal shop specifically managing Kratom. I can tell you the #1 customer by far were recovering heroin addicts, who were always so appreciative and happy we could help them. There was red vein and green vein varieties. I left that job while it was legal not sure now the status but it sure helped a lot of people

[@iadesigns]

It's legal in New York, some really great shops in Manhattan

[@14reasons58]

The worst place to buy kratom is head shops. They give you over priced kratom or give those evil extract forms, which destroy tolerance. I don't care about ultrashone. Take it from someone who's been using kratom for years. Never buy from a headshop. Never buy extract. Would you trust me as a stranger? I dunno. But I am the most educated person in this entire comment section on this topic.

[@gmo8381]

@@14reasons58 what’s wrong with extracts? I’ve been using kratom for about 2 years but have only used the powdered form so I don’t know too much about the other forms of it.

[@14reasons58]

@@gmo8381 Extracts destroy your tolerance and numerous cases where they have found some extracts with opiod derivatives in them. Or research chemical opiods in the extracts. Extracts are too potent. I wouldn't say they're equivalent to kratom. Extracts are more equivalent to heroin. Kratom is powerful enough as is. Everything about extracts is wrong. There is countless reasons I could give. And extracts give kratom a bad name.

[@sinxsideways5900]

@@14reasons58 if that last line wasn't sarcasm I think u should do an ego check on the matter lol. Always a bigger fish

[@perronu]

I have been using it daily for 6-7 years now.. but much smaller doses than most people I think. I use powder, start my day with one teaspoon, have another teaspoon mid/late afternoon, and a third one an hour or two before bed. I mix the three colors for the first two doses, and it energizes me, and takes the edge off my back pain... the last dose at night is strictly red, for the sedative aspect, helps me sleep soundly. I may or may not be 'addicted', but I don't see any problem with it even if I am.. I can't say that I get high or even buzzed.. it's just subtle effects.

[@kaseysmith2002]

There has been zero deaths associated with Kratom alone. In every instance it was a mixture of drugs, and in some cases the deaths weren’t even drug related.

[@goozfrabah579]

6

[@ajclark9939]

alcohol is a drug and nobody seems to have a problem with it

[@kenc5999]

Aj Clark thousands of people have problems with it.

[@trillgates2452]

Kenneth C That was sarcasm.

[@alexkirrmann8534]

@@adamguest103 what? Come on.

[@adamguest103]

@@alexkirrmann8534 hahaha let's GO!

[@adamguest103]

@@alexkirrmann8534 don't think I had a point on that one lmfao! Good lookin out!

[@inthebriarpatch]

"Man who fell off a bridge, got hit by a cement truck, and had heroin and meth in his system and a blood-alcohol content of .28 died of a Kratom overdose Tuesday."

[@longlivela7963]

@Jim Crow clearly kratom turned him into a psychopathic zombie and made him do PCP and LSD which then made him run onto a highway and get hit by a car which resulted in him overdosing on kratom. BAN KRATOM /s

[@Gabriel.4190]

@Jim Crow What's the name of the show on Netflix?

[@calaclullaalaflulla5285]

if anyone out there wants to cure AIDS, just pour exactly 2 cups of pure alcohol into your colon and do a handstand for 5 minutes

[@Gabriel.4190]

@@calaclullaalaflulla5285 whaat? 😂💀

[@inthebriarpatch]

@@calaclullaalaflulla5285 Ethanol is hydrophilic. Meaning it is fond of water. 200 proof ethanol is only possible in a vacuum. 194.7 is the highest yer gonna get.

[@shannonwinters2217]

I've taken Kratom since 2014. I was in a bad motorcycle accident on top of physical abuse, & took opioids. Kratos replaced the pain pills for good & without the bad downsides of pills

[@shannonwinters2217]

It helps my nerve & arthritis pain more than anything ever has

[@honeybear6647]

Kratom is literally the only thing (over the counter) that helped my fiancé stop drinking. He had been an alcoholic etc. for 10+ years and he was able to kick the other addictions but not alcohol. The Kratom is the only thing that helped with the cravings. I wish he didn’t have to take it since I don’t know the long term effects, but for now it has been far safer than his drinking.

[@dansalamone8217]

Same here except it helped me quit opiates. It gives me energy and well being. Without the life crushing perils of pain killers.

[@kayleestephens6774]

My cousin used it too when he got sober of alcohol and he was BAD.

[@adriennerecord281]

Me too!! I just worry about long term effects so its a constant worry. It also seems to help with my anxiety and depression...... I could stay on kratom or go to the Dr's and have them put me on some kind if depression/anxiety medication but then I know me.... I'll want to drink more and this is why this is such a struggle.

[@petethepirate730]

Long term effects suck. I was on it for 6 years. Not good. Be Careful

[@slimchance7748]

I’ve used it for a decade. I became VERY cautious of Percocet, Vics > H...a few friends died @ the end of that road. Helps w/ insomnia & adhd as well.

[@techdnb82]

Suffering from depression and anxiety I've often turned to alcohol and opiates in the past. Kratom has helped bring me peace of mind and allow me to live life on my own terms. much love

[@mikedickinson9730]

techdnb82 How could you say that using Kratom in place of other drugs has allowed you to live life on your own terms? Just curious...It does seem that you are still taking something to medicate.

[@joevenuti1797]

techdnb82 same. Just know that as amazing as it is, we gotta work harder. Exercise and a hobby. I'm sure 'being in love' counts as a drug, and its the best, but sometimes it has to end and the withdrawal for love is awful...:) with that said, kratom is AMAZING, but if you do it long enough you will start to feel disassociated and like you're in a dream. Life is raw, and we need raw experiences to grow, otherwise we just numb ourselves and life will pass us by...no growth... :/ hard work is good for the soul. Hope you're staying positive! 👌

[@techdnb82]

@@mikedickinson9730 I see your point, but I guess I'm more referring to the fact that I'm able to work a steady and job, not have to worry about getting in trouble with the law or just being so inebriated that I'm dysfunctional and fighting with my friends and family. I can nitpick some people cant get there day going without a cup of coffee or whatever, so do they not live on there own terms? It helps me to live and be a productive member of society and thats all I can ask for.

[@techdnb82]

@@joevenuti1797 yes sir! exercise and staying busy have helped me more than i could of ever hoped. Kratom helps me more with my energy levels and focus far more than any antidepressants ever have. So I feel thats a win. Work harder

[@fastpitchmermaid4550]

Same. Kratom is a miracle plant

[@bruceleehee9267]

Herion gave me super human energy. But when I didn’t have it I was sick to the point I wanted to end my life . 8 years clean this Christmas 🙏🏽✌🏽

[@dimfuturefilms9070]

Congratulations, that’s an accomplishment right there.

[@michaelclark9972]

Fucking A that's a accomplishment. Good shit man keep it up.

[@EE-ky5nt]

@Gatorbrah No way

[@mc12358]

Unfortunately, I know exactly what you mean. Congratulations on staying clean.

[@blueberry28.]

☮❤

[@woodwest11]

I was 22 haven’t touched drugs in years then I stumbled into kratom/kava bar had some friends there and was not properly informed of the addictive properties and boom 2 years later I can’t work or function w/o kratom and don’t know how to stop

[@poindextertunes]

If I were you, I would get a gym membership and take one or two weeks off of work. The first couple days just stay in bed. That feeling will pass eventually. Then go to the gym everyday, lift weights and do light cardio. You might just get addicted to the gym life but its a lot better than being addicted to a substance

[@hunterj6290]

@@poindextertunesyea then when I do that I get addicted to taking kratom before the gym

[@smithjonson5091]

Get good loser

[@raphaelcatchpole2685]

Have you heard about dietary supplements? Joe: "I'm Onnit right now"

[@zacharysnow2620]

This is probably the best one

[@okleyscott9806]

Fucking solid

[@cybergnome8976]

I see what you did there, and I respect it greatly!

[@joe123456789953]

Nice 😂

[@VibeinATLien]

@@zacharysnow2620 none of them are good though.. They're all lame unoriginal bullshit They should be ashamed of them fucking selves

[@eyeblink_]

You ever hea... Joe: "I'm on it right now"

[@vanillasplash6198]

Ok

[@HarrisonCountyStudio]

😂 right

[@bigred5222]

😆

[@anaversary-]

LOL

[@Kullvir]

🤣🤣🤣

[@democracynowornever]

This guy has to be the coolest nerd I've ever seen

[@sarahcallaway9750]

Yah dude. I was just thinking that lol

[@thelasttimeiateasswasabout9351]

@Moose Garner name?

[@destroyingjeff5362]

@@thelasttimeiateasswasabout9351 I think it’s the Hamilton experience or something like that

[@Quantum1Void]

Hamilton's Pharmacopoeia

[@firebellymel5557]

Ha yes!

[@I3lacklist]

I lived in Thailand. You can't overdose on Kratom. But it come with withdrawal as well

[@MrRajsta]

That's not spoken of enough about kratom..

[@labba36481]

Oh it's real. Ive been off for about a month and you feel it

[@MrRajsta]

@@labba36481 withdrawals can last for a while particularly from synthetic opiates..Discomfort after the withdrawal have ended can go on for months. Finding your natural rhythm again without the habit is the new challenge and ultimate goal.

[@jebrewmusic5919]

I just bought it. But im so anti anything withdrawals related. So just flushed it down the drain

[@MrRajsta]

@@jebrewmusic5919why would you buy it then?

[@catslovedogs74]

Hey... isn't this the dude that took frog hallucinogenics in the Amazon?

[@TheMATROCKS]

Yes. I love hamiltons pharmacopeia

[@bullionbull9701]

This is an amazing man who did more than smoke frog mucus in spooky woods. He is a phenomenal scientist.

[@MatthewFrazierr]

A quick google & KZbin search will answer that question for you. Open another tab...

[@MatthewFrazierr]

Grant Harrington he didn’t smoke it?? 😑

[@bullionbull9701]

@@MatthewFrazierr but indeed he did

[@velder22]

Kratom helps me get off of heroin, I could have ended up dead in a ditch somewhere but Kratom saved my life

[@saints360row]

Jonathan Velder, Yeah, if you didn't add water to mix the highly water soluble opioids up in case of hot-spots, use the buddy system & use micron filters if you administered via IV, sure, but only junkies don't do that shit.

[@truekash5558]

What kind should be used

[@saints360row]

True Kash, Typically red vein is what opi users use. The rest are brands essentially, but I've heard good things about Mang De red vein kratom. One teaspoon is approximately two grams of powdered kratom, and most take 8-16grams per dose, IIRC. Hit up 420chan's opiate board if you wish to ask & inquire more.

[@sheildingepicness]

Michael Hodgden people who defend opiates are always lying to themselves that they aren’t on their way out the door. You’re not gonna have some miracle realization that you’re about to od before you do. Smoke grass tweaker

[@saints360row]

Bruokoli, You won't know that you're psychologically addicted to cannabis until you are either. Opioids are HIGHLY water soluble, meaning simple water will distibute it evenly - There are four cornerstones to prevent opi OD's: 1) Don't fucking mix or add any other respiratory depressants. 2) Add water to distribute all opioids evenly in whatever you're taking, as there are even pressed pills out there. 3) Measure out one-eighth of said solution as a tester dose via prefered ROA and juxtapose strength through said volumetric dosage. 4) Use the fucking buddy system with naloxone at hand. I've hypothetically been using for over ten years and only OD'd once when I used a completely legal fentalogue RC. Never happened with any morphinan. Not to mention EtOH (Drinking Alcohol) is more lethal than all illegal, recreational drugs combined annually. Opioids don't damage the brain or liver like EtOH does nor does it produce excessive insulin which is also damaging through excessive amounts of carbs like EtOH does. Oh, did I mention how cancerous EtOH is? I'd rather OD and die and be done with it than loose my mind, need a new liver and/or acquire cancer or diabetes. Also, tweaker or tweeker is for stim users. And just for future reference, there's a major diference between junkie & addict, and it ain't what drug they use either; what do you think you strive for? - Not an accomplishment but the release of endogenous chemicals, the accomplishment is just the drug to release endogenous neurotransmitters.

[@jamieheald8732]

Psilocybin served me beyond words. 4 years of suicidal depression. Gone within a month of using the mushroom. GONE. No anti depresents worked they just numb everything or make it far worse. 1 month of micro dosing and a couple of larger trips. I went through my trauma came out the other side a human capable of moving again, capable of loving again, capable of being alone. It is medicine and a miracle but absolutely frowned upon. I tell everyone about my experience in the hopes that I may be able to help anyone else suffering. Psilocybin works.

[@davebowman9790]

It 's healing properties our miraculous.

[@JamminClemmons]

@@davebowman9790 - How much is a gram? I want to buy some from a relative but don't know how to approach him yet. - I did my 20 years US military and it may help with depression. Thank you, and I render a hand salute.

[@legendhasit24]

“There’s nothing in this world, that can’t find its way into a human death”. Very accurate, I’m always amazed how the human body is one of the most durable, yet fragile things at the same time.

[@tinarickman5465]

I have been using powder kratom for about 4 years now. I've suffered from clinical depression most of my life and have spent most of my adult life "self medicating". Kratom just makes me feel, what I believe is, normal. I no longer feel the need to use hard drugs to get out of bed and be part of life.

[@nick-ve3hh]

Kratom sucks but glad you like it

[@ma-masetti8008]

AWESOME 🙏 Good on you… inspiring! 🥰

[@MaynardsSpaceship]

Do you use it daily? If you stop now, you'll likely have withdrawals from hell. It's an opioid.

[@hapichampagne5916]

I feel exactly the same

[@christianc8453]

Same. It’s better than most everything else I’ve tried including pharmaceuticals. The dependence is a bit annoying but still better than hard drugs or pharma.

[@alexanderhikel2350]

I’m a surgical first assist and have been in the medical field all my working life , I recently had major surgery that was extremely painful , I’ve never ever had a better analgesic than kratom I was completely blown away how effective it was , completely stopped the pain incredible

[@JakeTapeWallets]

Same. I took one gram for my upper back disc pain and it was gone for hours

[@tom4208]

what way were you ingesting? smoking? tea? capsules?

[@JoeyBK_86]

@@tom4208you don’t smoke it man 😂 Either powder, leaf, capsules or drink.

[@tom4208]

@@JoeyBK_86 lol!

[@mikkel1]

It is really effective for pain. It really helps with fever pain as well. Lovely substance, much more effective than regular opiates for me.

[@fafafooey4126]

I dont think many people realize that people with insane pain , when they take pain pills, it makes them WANT to do stuff. You find yourself doing the chores you couldnt before, wanting to be social or go out, do your work outs or physical therapy etc. It can help save so many peoples quality of life, not everyone is nodding out...

[@billygats649]

True but alot of times they end up crossing the line! I loved opiates ! They took the pain away in my head! In the beginning they fix all my problems! Once I cross the line to addiction! All the pain,anxiety,and energy went away and I was way worst then I was before! That was me everyone is different!

[@auroraborealis13579]

💯

[@tobyflenderson2631]

Not enough people say it. Ive been on kratom for 5 years and if i skip a dose 8hrs later my eyes water, my nose drips, i chronically sneeze, insomnia, strong pain in my femurs. Ive been to rehab twice for other things and it hurts just as bad as anything else to quitb

[@anonymous_dot_com2326]

You likely abused it... Dont blame the substance, blame yourself

[@wattsnottaken1]

Sadly me too I’m dependent on it. Small sip every 6 hours or I get dope sick from it 😢

[@followfall9806]

So basically the same thing that happens with any prescription medication if you don't take it

[@titaniummaster1532]

Kratom is a natural pain reducer and motivator. I’ve been doing construction for 35 years and my body hurts. Kratom helps me tremendously to be able to perform and go to the gym at the end of the day. It takes the edge off and gives me a major attitude boost and in most cases less is more.

[@sfurq2954]

Damn , right on for the info I’m an ironworker couple years in still ain’t looking forward to being in pain gonna def try Kratom later on

[@titaniummaster1532]

@@sfurq2954 happy hippo is a good company out of Idaho for Kratom….. the fast strain for morning coffee and moderate strain for afternoon. Let me know if you want more info and stuff to take with it…

[@illidelphian1508]

When you say less is more,, how much do you take and in pill or powder form. Empty stomach okay? Thanks

[@titaniummaster1532]

@@illidelphian1508 I personally take between 1-3 grams per serving with my coffee and a little creamer or coconut powered. It’s better to start low and adjust. If one gram works stick with that. I here about people taking 10 plus grams at once🤪…. It must be some crapy stuff because you should not need that much. I get mine from a company called Happy Hippo herbals from Idaho. They test for heavy metals, bacteria, mold etc…. Worth the cost! I also mix other things with it and take other supplements. Glad I could help 😀 Let me know if you want more help😉 What’s your reason for wanting to try? Also I primarily take powder but you can take tabs too which they have. They have different strains also Fast, moderate, slow. Yes empty stomach is best so it does not compete with other compounds, proteins, etc…

[@gamer7946]

@@illidelphian1508 empty stomach 2-3gs of powder

[@trenbabone6359]

"Ever heard of marijuana?" Joe: "I took 3 marijuanas, I'm on it right now."

[@cannonfodder8287]

@Mr Shikigami 3 marijuanasases

[@bhillis99]

Stop quoting something that wasn’t said. I hope you get sued.

[@Jrd-kn4dw]

@@bhillis99 I think you are the type of person that struggles in life.

[@bhillis99]

@@Jrd-kn4dw you would be very wrong

[@Jrd-kn4dw]

@@bhillis99 I highly doubt that.

[@RobStrunk]

Kratom alone has never killed anyone, wherever this claim was stemmed from, was it 100% Kratom? Most likely it was tainted w/ some illegal drug...

[@Lazzie_the_Psilocybe_Deity]

Kratom laced with a fentanyl analog

[@jbad1710]

Same story with steroid deaths.. Roids don't kill you it's when u take all this other shit like pain meds etc plus insulin.

[@pfw4568]

There once was this stuff called Krypton Kratom. It was basically Kratom laced with O-DSMT to make it stronger. Overdosing on this stuff isn't hard. Overdosing on Kratom alone is nearly impossible.

[@averagejoegamming209a3]

You will pass out asleep before you could take enough to OD

[@infinitemonkey917]

@@averagejoegamming209a3 or vomit profusely

[@KTD212]

Be careful with Kratom. I’ll leave it at that.

[@Brock_1025]

Moderation is the key. With Kratom, less is more. It's very hard for addicts to comprehend that logic though.

[@natestain7103]

Ive been taking Kratom every day for 4 years. It's probably a little addicting, but I'll take that over a liter a vodka a day that I once was doing.

[@regret9423]

Similer story for me, it is probably slightly addicting, but 1000x better than my alcohol and hydro addictiction

[@nathanialbroadway2719]

Can relate with you guys, was on pain killers, then suboxone for years ! My biggest demon was always alcohol for some reason tho ! I don’t give a fuck what other people say , I take kratom over all that other shit any day !!!!!!!

[@magical8013]

Wait 4 the withdrawals!! Still not as bad a alcohol though!

[@ghostphoto1789]

The withdrawals from kratom are fucking horrible and can cause depression that lasts for months

[@ghostphoto1789]

@Guy It completely destroyed my emotions and made my life dull and gray, in addition to having lower sex drive, lower motivation, less energy, and hair loss.

[@dstackradio]

Kratom rocks! It’s gotten me off of pain pills (rock climbing fall left me with vertebral fractures and surgeries) and anti anxiety meds. I don’t think any government should have the power to make plants illegal. Just my opinion.

[@leelunk8235]

ROCK CLIMBING IS FOOLISH

[@leelunk8235]

@@InTheFleshInc HUH FOOL

[@alexoltraalonso1998]

Opium is a plant

[@rachelengel6668]

Cocaine and heroine come from plants

[@alexoltraalonso1998]

@@InTheFleshInc No manufacturing is required with opium, just cut the poppy and consume. Also cocaine is just an extract from the coca plant so no manufacturing is needed there either, you can chew on the leaves or dry them and encapsulate them. The whole natural thing makes no sense Lol.

[@mickeyminaj7296]

I know a guy who died from cannabis....,........ We were unloading 5 tons and a 2.5 ton block crushed him

[@AnotherOne0322]

Shit happens to the best of us

[@SakutoNoSAI]

So what you're saying is, you have some heavy chronic?

[@jimmiet1988]

Thats different

[@davidherbella7165]

@@SakutoNoSAI womp womp wooommp 🎺

[@malindacribb4821]

Dammit damn weed kills

[@Hambam123]

Still had withdrawals from kraaaa tom. But I’ve also used it to detox from harder drugs. Saved my life. It’s a step down the ladder. You could also say it’s a step UP the ladder. Drugs make you feel great, everything needs to be used in balance or consideration

[@davidswarckof8025]

Kratom is the only reason I can function in society. Saved my life from opiates

[@TheNeverists]

by getting you addicted to an opiate, not being mean man but that's not a good footing for a recovery, you should probably consider quitting.

[@Corporate_Desecration]

Elias Mansion Records it’s an opioid, not an opiate. It acts like an Opiate but doesn’t share some properties

[@christopherecho9783]

“It isn’t an opiate it’s an opioid” - things addicts say to make themselves feel better. Look if you want to take Kratom - do it. Just don’t go around saying it’s not addictive. That is dangerous. It is helpful for some people to get off opiates. However - staying on Kratom is not being “opiate free”. You are still addicted and reliant on a drug. Is it better than being addicted to Morphine - I think it is. It seems far less inhibiting. However if you are being honest you will admit there still have not been enough legit scientific studies on how this drug effects a human with prolonged use.

[@Corporate_Desecration]

Christopher Echo I’m not an addict and don’t use Kratom, I was noting that they’re different. I never implied that it’s not addictive or dangerous so stop projecting.

[@CHIEFS_DYNASTY_]

@@christopherecho9783 dude fuck you and your AA bullshit