JUBILEE REACTION: Trans Kids

[@wickedbird1538]

😮😮So if Kids are not having surgery, who cut up Jazz.

[@Kevin_Knox]

They would just say, " ok thats only one though''. One is too many.

[@spikeontheroad2560]

when I run into a trans activist who claims surgeries on minors is not happening, I say, ok, then lets just make it a law that surgery for minors is illegal. They never agree.​@@Kevin_Knox

[@Parrotgirl-tattoo]

Jazz's story breaks my heart. His mother should be brought up on charges.

[@SnugEmsCats]

​@@Parrotgirl-tattooDisgusting mother but she can't take all of the blame, there were other family members On the sidelines, crew of the show etc. and who will charge the viewers who kept the ratings high and cameras rolling? 😢

[@josephmayfield945]

I’m an artist. The artistic community is absolutely captured by this ideology, and anyone who speaks against is doomed. So I’m forced to keep my mouth shut. Otherwise I’ll never get to perform or show my stuff anywhere. It’s sad. If I was more known, and had fans I’d be more willing to speak out. But I’m struggling and can’t afford to be pushed out.

[@daverice2426]

Les Krims is pretty outspoken about "leftist twaddle" and the ideological capture of art. But yeah, he's the only one I can think of off the top of my head

[@Accountdeactivated_1986]

Yeah the art world was the first to push this stuff. I got my art degree in the 90s and this gender ideology and postmodern ideology had completely consumed the art world then. I put my art career on hold and patiently waited for it to no longer be avant garde thought and a movement to rebel against it. Sadly, it’s just moved into the mainstream. Maybe that’s good though because the art world hates being part of the mainstream and maybe this means the new rebels will make it look very very old fashioned and out of date soon.

[@giantfactory]

@@Accountdeactivated_1986Same here, finished my degree in the late 90s at the art school in Minneapolis. While you had the fine art weirdos, it pales in comparison to what I see now. I look at the fundraising materials sent to my house and seeing the pictures of the current students and the “diversity” points pushed by the president only serves to reaffirm my belief this school should go bankrupt.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

What needs to happen, is this ideology needs to be laid bare as the REGRESSIVE, backwards, homophobic movement that it is. It also deeply stupid and plainly false. It is harmful to gays and lesbians and to autistic people. Some people don’t care about kids and women. Fine. But there is nothing remotely “left” or “progressive” about this ideology. People are so confused about it. Especially in the US, especially in the arts. Everyone should be forced to watch the recent video interview of Dr. Az Hakeem, a gay man who is also a therapist and has treated countless trans-identifying people. He explains the different types of trans-identifying people, what their backgrounds and motivations are, as well as how illiberal and regressive and nonsensical the ideology is. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3i3kp5_ZtisldU

[@Klavieralter]

Same with literature. The dumbest people read and support the latest trans book. The literary world is purely liberal woman ... hence why it is so mediocre and books are so forgettable. There are no modern classics.

[@williamsaling9648]

Imagine telling your boss you arent showing up late everyday, then you say it should be ok if you were. Then you act like a victim when you get fired.

[@jessi4894]

Have you worked with any of Gen Z? This is my exact experience with them.

[@nickbarber2080]

I refer you to a gazillion Tiktok videos.

[@dukecity7688]

How about not showing up for class or hand in an assignment and still get a passing grade?

[@Accountdeactivated_1986]

Good analogy. It’s gaslighting and then acting like they’re the victim!

[@jonsmum5552]

@@jessi4894Same here. Nursing adults through a shift is soul destroying

[@TrekBeatTK]

I have a coworker who identifies as trans. I noticed yesterday that “his” arms are covered in self-harm scars. This is an underlying psychological disorder and changing body parts can’t fix it.

[@billsherman1565]

Why couldn't it be comorbid rather than underlyng?

[@reallyshel]

They would tell you the depression comes from people like us who aren't "affirming".

[@jonsmum5552]

@@billsherman1565You have to have some kind of mental imbalance to think males can be females or females can be males. That’s common sense.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

@@billsherman1565Well, in that person’s case, she most likely has a history of mental illness and/or sexual abuse. That’s the underlying cause of both the self harm and the trans identification.

[@Puzzlesocks]

@@billsherman1565 Because in order to believe in 'trans' as a physical condition (or even the proper treatment for a mental condition) you must make logical leaps of faith on the same level as a Young Earth Creationist.

[@justsome-guy7596]

Please keep creating this high quality content Peter. We NEED people like yourself, to continue to bring light to these practices, so that they can be discussed, reasonably, compassionately, and honestly.

[@Design_no]

The anger from people who cannot or will not debate their pov happens across the entire woke spectrum.

[@MagnanimousmouseYouGoogle-d1k]

I'm a de-transitioner, it sucks because there is no actual going back.

[@darbyheavey406]

You were exploited by your physicians- please sue them. The system failed you.

[@Orson2u]

It is not just unfair. It’s a package dealing in deception. Sue them like Catholic Church officials have been for sexually abusing the young! This NEEDS to become the New Movement: make ‘em pay for selling the Big Lie.

[@matrixcom69]

Can you share what happened and what's currently happening as a result?

[@tonyhoffman3309]

You can't go back, as that's not possible but you mature out of it and move forward in growth and acceptance.

[@fbcpraise]

Very sorry to hear. Saying a prayer for Mag Mouse.

[@pegm5937]

So, say a 13 year old walks into a doctor's office and says, "I have appendicitis. I want medication and surgery to remove it" and the doctor says, "okay, that's your lived experience so, of course! Right this way!" Such insanity. ❤

[@LilMissRufflsack]

When you get slapped in the face with the statistics, all the sudden it looks like an open air mad science experiment. I've felt this way since learning of the movement.

[@kaicho_san]

fun fact. There are affirming summer camps for lgbtq youth and you can look it up too. The top site being a list of 13 summer camps with some camps for kids as young as 8 years old.

[@Puzzlesocks]

Don't worry, I'm sure it's just affirmation and absolutely in no way conversion. Those two things are absolutely not the same within this context. (yes, this is sarcasm)

[@rg5445]

At 56yrs old I can honestly say that society has become utterly surreal in the worst possible way. My Grandparents would be rolling around in their graves thinking this is what they toiled for. I definitely think we took a wrong turn in Albuquerque.

[@stvbrsn]

I’m 56 and feel much the same way. And I particularly liked the Bugs reference. Cheers, Doc!

[@MagnanimousmouseYouGoogle-d1k]

We're living in the "South park" timeline.

[@Accountdeactivated_1986]

As another 56 year old, I thought we solved all of these issues when we “gender bent” in the 80s with Duran Duran and Prince wearing blouses and makeup and nobody having a problem with it. Sad to realize that the art professors that were pushing blank slate theory in the art world somehow got these unproven theories to become part of the mainstream, and changing science to suit their own narrative.

[@brianmeen2158]

Yeah I’m glad my grandfather isn’t around to see this - hed be very confused and disgusted by what he saw

[@theunknownatheist3815]

I’m 55, (1969 😛) Solid GenX, and I thought we were on the right track until woke hit. Then everything went to shit

[@Nachev1994]

Treating a psychological condition in minors (even though the real numbers are way lower, in my opinion, most of these cases are socially induced) with surgery should be illegal. It's actually extremely bizarre that it isn't.

[@mortagon1451]

I don't think mental illness should be treated with surgery at all for minors or adults. There needs to be ethical limits in medicine. As far as I know this is the only mental health issue we treat with surgery since we stopped doing lobotomies. Note that lobotomies also had a lot of defenders.

[@skwerlz4us]

I believe this is because the American Psychological Assoc. reclassified (and renamed) the mental disorder as a "medical condition". They said themselves they did that to make it easier for people to access surgeries, etc. & to have it covered by insurance as "medically necessary". The APA claimed they don't know what causes it, haven't had much success in treating it & that some people seem to feel better after surgery, so we may as well let them do it. That's it. If it were still classified as a mental disorder it would be more difficult to justify medicaization.

[@AndyJarman]

​@@mortagon1451so "cosmetic" surgery is off the table? Whose opinion about what is an acceptable level of disfigurement should be referred to? I have a broken tooth, according to the department of Australian Human Rights and Equal Opportunity that counts as a disability. I think the technicians in WPATH, the endocrinologists and the surgeons are doing their job. It's the political system and feebleness of the democratic and the legal system that has failed. Would it interest you to know that, for example, Queen Elizabeth ll refused to sign a number of Canadian Acts of Parliament into law because they were unlawful, and yet the Canadian State sees this as a "technicality"? The modern state of Canada is a legal fiction. You see it is the corruption of the legal system and the inability of elected officials to challenge accepted norms that ends with this mess.

[@Puzzlesocks]

@@AndyJarman I would say cosmetic surgery is largely off the table for me. There is some nuance to this though, since I'm sure most people have no problem fixing cleft palate, but many people actually have a problem with things like breast implants, facial reconstruction, etc. The real question is if this cosmetic surgery actually fixes something that could be seen as a disability or not. I've heard some push to get trans labelled a disability, but that perspective is largely rejected. As far as if those people are doing their job, that depends on what you consider their job to be. WPATH is an explicitly trans-activist organization that is not in the business of performing rigorous studies nor publishing results that show negatively for their mission. In that sense, they are doing their job. If you think they are simply trying to provide the best healthcare possible, well, have I got something to sell you. As far as the feebleness of the system, ideally it's supposed to be that way so that if someone with tyrannical ambition somehow makes it into office, that they don't tank the entire country. The scariest thing in the world should be a government working efficiently and without any hold-up. All that means is that any opposition has been removed, not that it doesn't exist. If it exists, you want it represented and clunking up the system if you truly believe in democracy.

[@Nachev1994]

@@AndyJarman We'll see how many of these kids are going to die in the next 10-15 years, because of WPATH "doctors" who were "doing their jobs". Also, if that was an attempt to compare this to cosmetic surgery means you've lost your way. No way in hell that's a rational argument.

[@poissonpuerile8897]

"Lived experience" is a highfalutin' neologism for "mere anecdote".

[@AndyJarman]

Standpoint epistemology. Epistemic pushback will be severely dealt with.

[@LesCish]

Sorry, no. There's nothing "highfalutin" about it. 😁

[@squoctopus]

And isn't all experience "lived"?

[@904daniela]

Honestly, I've become so burned out trying to help people see the dangers of this and being called all kinds of horrible things that I'm starting to think - "Ok, let them do what they want - I'll wait for the fallout".

[@thomasprogli3372]

The issue is that the kids do not have a choice. If they are grown ups I would say “do what you want!” But remember if you are suicidal your autonomy is taken away.

[@reallyshel]

I'd be okay with it if the kids weren't involved. That's the crux of this debate. If it were just adults, I wouldn't even have an interest in this conversation.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

I’m with you. The teens are so sure of themselves, the media and NPR and Jon Stewart and Ben Collins collude with them. Good. Those nutballs know best. The kids, whose prefrontal cortexes aren’t fully developed, they know best. Sure.

[@justmy2cents652]

Same with me. Sometimes I wonder if it's a welcomed side effect that "undesireables" get themselves sterilized: Borderliners, autistic people. Then I remember these are just kids going through puberty and are being sold snakeoil and actively led on a path of self destruction. In the end it's all for the sake of f et i shistic men who want to force their erotic escapades into the daily life and themselves into womens spaces.

[@squoctopus]

​@@reallyshelI disagree. I think transgenderism has destroyed trust in the health care and mental health care systems in the US. Surgeons should never be allowed to perform experimental surgeries on physically healthy people, no matter their age. And these surgeries are experimental, with failure and complications rates that would be completely unacceptable with any other surgery. Doctors should never be allowed to prescribe drugs for ideological reasons, no matter how old the patient. If I had a child with psychological problems, I would be petrified to take him or her to a psychologist/psychiatrist/or counselor for fear they would be pushed down the transgenderism path.

[@poissonpuerile8897]

So nice to see an intelligent reaction video.

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thank you

[@dukecity7688]

Watching people nod their heads in agreement is disturbing. Yesterday i went to the doc at BMC. I was asked what gender i was assigned at birth. I protested. I said my sex was not assigned to me. They fkg referred me to psychiatry!! I had to fight to control my emotions. I don't want to get arrested.

[@justinm2697]

Doc BMC?

[@giantfactory]

She says she wants the government out of this and the decision should be in the home, mentioning parents,… yet they want parents out of the equation by looking to deny parents any and all say in the process.

[@tonyhoffman3309]

Don't think Blossom knows what ppl in his movement are actually advocating for. He was unaware that children indeed ARE undergoing psycho-surgical drag procedures, that are irreversible and destroy not only formy but function.

[@giantfactory]

@@tonyhoffman3309 Unaware or turning a blind eye?

[@jodie-b4g]

We see right thru you Blossom.

[@Donatello-go5sn]

Blossom is a special type of person. A person only a mother could love🙄

[@Shamrock299]

Why would we listen to a bloke that dresses up as a woman and calls himself blossom

[@LesCish]

I'm a doctor and a traditional liberal. Normal physiology and normal body parts should not be medicated or surgically removed. Doctors should NOT be engaging in such malpractice. Otherwise, what adults do and how they live is up to them.

[@cmcull987]

Thanks for sharing this. The trans issue is so important because it raises issues about what is truth, free speech, our laws, lived experiences, our institutions. I hate that Chloe is being deplatformed. She literally has a "lived experience" of being trans. It's reminding me of the book Animal Farm; all lived experiences must be believed and treated equally but, some are more equal than others.

[@RC-qf3mp]

The only things that should be “affirmed” in healthcare are truth and rationality.

[@pollyparrot9447]

Who is he to tell others that they can't have opinions about child abuse?

[@sannywicca7504]

The finger snapping , the years 1960 is calling you .....And did they not saw " I am Jaz"??? That is not the only case we saw, we now have reports of kids on puberty blockers

[@marcelolecuna444]

Thank you Peter and all the great people you have spoken to over the years. We need to have civil discussions to help our future generations.

[@forestvanslyke]

I was trans during the pandemic and almost transitioned. When I went offline, spent time around people again and lost 40 pounds my gender dysphoria went away. Now when I talk about it people think I’m using marginalized people to become TikTok famous, even though being trans was what got me followers in the first place.

[@theunknownatheist3815]

What did you do to lose the weight?

[@proudatheist2042]

I am relieved that you didn't mutilate yourself. Good on you for sharing your story.

[@NickNack1972]

They/Them do not like FACTS & EVIDENCE!

[@hyacinthlynch843]

If a person's gender has nothing to do with their biological make up, then why the need for drugs and surgery to "affirm" their gender? I simply cannot wrap my head around this.

[@squoctopus]

Because it's intentionally confusing. Your brain is thinking clearly.

[@sonsoftexas]

That’s my question. If gender is a social construct divorced from biology then why the body modification for treatment?

[@Accountdeactivated_1986]

There used to be a process where you had to live as that identity for a period of a few years before you could get any medical interventions. But activists fought to get rid of those processes as they said it was “gatekeeping.” And now those processes don’t exist anymore.

[@tonyhoffman3309]

It's not possible to "live as the opposite sex" only to live as the sex you are masquerading as the opposite sex.

[@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals]

Actually, I know because of my ex husband going to get surgeries in 1995, they never followed the 2 year "Blanchard Protocols." They talk it, but don't do it. How would the surgeon really know anyway?

[@HH-ru4bj]

I apologize if there's some subtle sarcasm I'm missing and focussing on the wrong thing, but I still feel it's worth adding something to the claim if outsider interference with medical advice. The example claim was "we don't tell deaf ppl how to..." do something because we aren't experienced in that condition. I'll say we actually do, quite often and no one really has a lot to say in countering such criticisms. Drug addicts for instance we did have millions of ppl debating and trying to get the state to allow doctors to use their own judgment in not prescribing opiates for mundane reasons. So she trying to say it's no one else's business except the child's if they want to transition, is I guess gaslighting because it's making a broad claim for a very narrow topic that lacks a consistently applied reasoning.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

Oh my god. The finger snapping. I literally can’t even.

[@theunknownatheist3815]

So cringy 😂

[@lonzo61]

Great stuff. Thanks, Peter B.

[@andyward8430]

I can’t understand how anyone can hear the term “puberty blockers” and not immediately be appalled and any doctor that prescribes or administers them should be ashamed of themselves. How can shutting down a natural process of the body be seen as a good thing?

[@gardener3017]

Ask Chloe Cole if kids are being chopped on.

[@baltasarnoreno5973]

No kids are having surgery? What about Jazz Jennings? Suddenly an adult?

[@stvbrsn]

The clip of Chris made tears well, and knowing what I know about Chris, probably for him too.

[@baltasarnoreno5973]

Subjecting minors with multiple interlocking mental conditions with hormones and puberty blockers and surgeries that have not been verified in proper clinical trials is the modern equivalent of what Mengele did with his twins. And the docs who are doing this should be charged with crimes against humanity.

[@squoctopus]

💯💯💯

[@mikesmith542]

They talk about these means of diagnoses like they're a god damn hard science, as if they're the equivalent of a doctor finding a tumor. It's literally nothing more than a questionnaire, freely available on the internet, and a slew of therapists who have been told to affirm whenever possible. It's like writing these doctors a blank check to prescribe whatever medications or treatments they've been financially persuaded to prescribe without no negative outcomes because unlike sending someone for a surgery they don't need, there is no way to scientifically disprove their diagnosis because their diagnosis is purely subjective.

[@squoctopus]

💯

[@dudeorduuude5211]

That Blossom is irritating. A terrible debater. I saw that Jubilee and wish the red side had their 2 trans women speak on this topic. Though later, one spoke up and I was really happily surprised Jubilee let a comment about sterilization be on camera (puberty blockers like Lupron, in higher doses of course, is used for chemical castration, ane hormones, especially in male to female transitions, sterilize the person). I found it so infuriating that the wokies complex ignore all medical talk on this and only focus on the emotional side.

[@TheNancypoo]

Just another masculine bully in a dress. Trans patriarchy is all it is.

[@fatcatmamma]

You're too diplomatic. He's a pain in the fucking hole.

[@JohnLinares-g7v]

The process is called confirmation bias. Its amazing people actually fall for this...

[@KrwiomoczBogurodzicy]

Don't we all fall for it?

[@BrockOBauma]

Pronouns in bio is nothing but a sign of being on the team. I work for a state agency. Our department head had pronouns in his email signature. One day his pronouns disappeared from his email. 2 weeks later, he stepped down. Later on it came out that the governor had told him to step down... right about the time his pronouns disappeared.

[@AndyJarman]

I had the manager of HR sacked for promoting "gender" in the code of conduct. I lasted about six weeks after that. The HR department is more than a single person, and they are all women and all subscribe to affirmation.

[@nicholaslaport3354]

Peter! Do more reaction vids like this! I love the street epistemology, but this format is equally is awesome.

[@1afterthep]

I'm a kindergarten teacher and you just can't tell kids that they can be whatever sex/gender they want to be. You simply cannot because it's a lie and a crazy one. to a human body gender affirming care is rape and butchery.

[@squoctopus]

Absolutely!

[@jm162]

All the nodding coterie in the background...they have no real idea of what they are agreeing to - they are just happy to agree with the loudest voice...

[@sdrc92126]

Reminds me of tv religion in the 1980's

[@katedunning9467]

This is great! I really appreciate how you put this together.

[@ChuddmasterZero]

I literally just had an argument with a good friend about “lived experience” being used as an epistemological standard and how ridiculous it is. We USED to use terms like ‘subjective’ or ‘anecdotal’ as not legitimate knowledge, yet somehow, the same non-knowledge has become elevated through the use of a new label. It’s just a linguistic trick, yet so many people buy into it.

[@Sun.s.Lantern]

Thank you for this.

[@drpeterboghossian]

You are very welcome

[@drewid3876]

Most of the people who support these procedures do not want to discuss or look into the issue. I got in hot water with a colleague the other day after I simply said I’m not in support of these procedures for kids. She turned red, said “I’m not having this discussion!” …And stormed out, slamming the door of the lunch room. The conversation went sideways when I earnestly asked why she couldn’t understand how a gay man could be conservative. It’s like saying if you vote Trump, you ain’t black. Conservatives can’t be gay in her eyes because they support caution when it comes to life changing gender affirming “care”.

[@AndyJarman]

You don't have to be conservative in temperament to disagree with something that is unproven. Merely rational.

[@theunknownatheist3815]

Yeah, I’m a centrist that opposes this insanity

[@squoctopus]

Yes that's exactly what happens. The shutdown - "I'm not talking about this!"- Followed by the storm-out.

[@janb9458]

My dghtr was given a T Rx (Androgel) on her 3rd visit w a 'new to her' family doctor. Yes, she was almost 19, but she absolutely had NO mental health assessment. O Tranada! I wish I had been braver and spoken with you Peter, when you sat behind me in Lisbon.

[@Dana-hd8he]

Pink Swastika by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams we have been in those days like Marketing of Evil and How Evil Works by David Kupelian; The Planned Destruction of America by John DeCamp.

[@elenar4543]

I love your big headphones Peter. 😊 But seriously I support your ideas.

[@1jotun136]

She clearly has never heard of Dr yeet the teet. That, or "she" doesn't care.

[@jenbhikes]

Thank you

[@PonyboyGarfunkel]

Well, I am still troubled by the fact that sex is true for all mammals. Why are some humans demanding I accept an observably false claim? C'est la vie.

[@skwerlz4us]

They've been responding to that for years by citing things like gender non-conforming penguin couples, gay lions & trans clownfish. Earlier this year, some nature doc series called Queer Planet was released covering the LGBT communities in the animal kingdom. They compiled all the examples in once place to smackdown the argument that LGBT is in any way 'against nature'. What's a bummer to me is that might have been an interesting series 20 yrs ago, but knowing it was churned out now to act as propaganda for the current movement really ruins it for me.

[@aliharris9728]

Clementine corrects her story later in the clip. Masectomy at 14, hormones at 13, blockers at 12.

[@SolarVergmoid]

If anyone encourages or _plays any part whatsoever_ attempting to convince a CHILD to change their gender, how is THAT not getting _THEIR_ ‘business’ into the child’s? Anyone who does THAT should be immediately arrested, processed through the courts, and committed to an institution for treatment.

[@Realitycheck-rh4bk]

No process in Canada - it’s 💯 affirm only, no questions asked

[@Pengalen]

I appreciate what you're doing, and keep on keeping on. However, it is dishonest to call adolescents children. Say minors, say kids; "children" obfuscates the issue (unless you're actually talking about prepubescents) and loses moral high ground.

[@MK_a1b2e3]

Please make more of these types of videos for different subjects

[@johnny4062]

Most studies show that the transitioning regret rates are less than 1%. On the other hand, the famous Cass review in the UK, as well as a recent Finnish study, showed that there is insufficient evidence that hormones and surgeries are actually effective at alleviating gender dysphoria. To me, this suggests that this movement is not effective at helping the at-risk individuals, but it is offering a lifestyle choice that most people seem not to regret.

[@firstchoicefarm7767]

Billboard Chris is a saint. I'd like to know if there is a way to support his work.

[@bscott3391]

Billboard Chris has a website where you can donate.

[@anynimus1617]

Where can i find Travis Browns documentary? Thanks

[@masonweiss]

Save the trans kids of Gaza!!🇵🇸⚧️

[@AsMr-km6ex]

Save the kids of gaza and everywhere from being brainwashed into thinking they’re trans🥴oh and I stand with lsraeI🩵🤍

[@theunknownatheist3815]

Only if they are Vegan anti-racists!!! 😂

[@robinalexander5558]

@@AsMr-km6ex. 100%

[@squoctopus]

😂

[@justynanowak8155]

Does anyone know what the original jubilee video is called?

[@nICe-hr4rs]

So what they’ve done in California is taken the parents out of the equation if they don’t affirm the kids trans story and wants.

[@pinwheelart2825]

I wish people would listen. But they just label you [insert slure], and then their brains malfunction.😂

[@tiffanysteen1845]

Dr Money first doctor as part of this terrible ideology when after a botched circumission told parents raise their son as a girl and it had tragic consequences

[@Jim33933]

Prior to 10 years ago a parent wanting to get their child's body mutilated would have CPS called on them. The problem isn't the drag queens, the problem is the parents not wanting to protect their kids from harming themselves. Hopefully we'll have a generation of these mutilated kids who will become politically active in 15 years to ban this practice.

[@unpluglvfree9507]

Thks

[@zebulunashcroft6623]

Original video link..?

[@QuietCastle]

Do what you want as an adult, but leave the kids alone!!!

[@squoctopus]

One thing that doesn't get discussed often is how we have become a society that allows surgeons to amputate healthy body parts from adults, let alone children. How does it benefit society to let a certain class -doctors - perform acts that are criminal in every other circumstance? Less than 20 years ago - probably more like ten or 15 - it was medical malpractice in the US to install breast implants on a man. Now, insurance companies are required to pay for breast surgeries for men who claim to be trans even while they can deny breast surgeries for women. The concept that surgeons can perform elective mastectomies on girls and women, on healthy tissue, is indeed grotesque, as are the rest of the surgeries performed in service of transgenderism. If the magic word "transgender' were not used, they would be crimes against humanity. Transsexual (they are mutilating sex organs) surgery on adults should be illegal because surgeons should not be allowed to run chop shops on physically healthy people. If an adult wants a penectomy he must do it himself or go to a country that doesn't have medical ethics. No children should ever be subjected to elective surgeries on healthy organs, no matter how much the patient may demand it. Doctors are required to refuse patient demands in many areas, especially drugs and elective surgeries. How has this become an exception, and if an exception can be made here why not for the patient who wants to be blinded or his arm amputated? Or the parents who want traditional genital mutilation done on their daughter? People say "An adult can do what they want with their own body ". Of course this isn't legally true - you can't consent to be murdered, you have no right to jump off an overpass, you have no right to take illegal drugs even if you have intractable pain. The answer is "An adult's right to bodily autonomy does not give a right to the participation of other people."

[@johnny4062]

Plastic surgeons will alter healthy body parts for cosmetic reasons only in otherwise healthy adults. I think once you're an adult, you should be allowed to do what you want, including trans people. But we don't encourage kids to get breast implants or facial reconstructive surgeries, and the same should go for trans ideology. Also, Jewish people will have a doctor perform a circumcision on male babies for religious reasons, not medical reasons.

[@EnwardSnowman]

The process is to push for transition Call it "affirmation" But NEVER offer an alternative. No offramp. ONLY a drag-race to a life of medical intervention

[@AndyJarman]

Affirming that 'ill health' is the preferred outcome, but for whom?

[@Puzzlesocks]

What do you call it when you repeatedly affirm a certain set of beliefs onto suggestible people? It's almost like they are performing conversion therapy and merely changed the name to affirmation to mislead people.

[@EnwardSnowman]

@@Puzzlesocks brooming? Vrooming? It's something like that I forget

[@Vole182]

It's crazy to me that doctors and researchers will scream about the US having a population decline issue, but let's take healthy kids and ensure they can't have kids... Cool, cool, cool... That's going to help!

[@pinkladyht]

What about childhood trauma? If it's therapy, why aren't we discussing traumas when it comes to the trans issue? I think that's a huge part of it. I think the other part of it is that we aren't health people. We are eating chemicals and our bodies and brains aren't functioning like they should. That throws off everything if your body isn't chemically balanced.

[@Klavieralter]

Imagine if people were throwing themselves off cliffs because Toni Fauci said it would help protect grandma. You would have people defending it because stupid exists and the media nurtures it.

Pete, beyond the ghoulish aspect of this topic, this issue keeps gnawing at us culturally and politically PRECISELY cuz its a proxy conflict for epistemology itself. If we take 'standpoint epistemology' to its logical conclusion, then reality can be anything one wants it to be. This has ALWAYS been the PM goal: there are no valid arguments based on epistemological reference points....only structures of power that MUST be dismantled. Sorry...i know u obv are more than knowledgeable about this than most, but had to rant a bit. So damn frustrating being bogged down constantly with intellectual hogwash. Its really pathological to our Society.

[@AndyJarman]

I believe Trans is the easiest expression of Critical Social Justice to debunk. Unfortunately it's the rest that is going to be the toughest fight. Which is why we need essentialist critiques of this (like James Lindsay's) to sustain the counter reformation.

[@theunknownatheist3815]

This issue is to promote a Marxist revolution, period.

[@DAWN001]

8:14 this is basically the 2+2=5 moment

[@name-vi6fs]

My teenagers aren't kids? Looks like they need to move out or start paying rent.

[@etienneturgeon]

Referring to 16 years old as 'kids' should ring a little bell on the bad faith detector, because 'minors' or 'adolescent' would be a more precise term and it would be less misleading. 'Kids' can be intentionally used to convey primarily an image of children or young children, so it makes it easier to gain sympathy in the argument. Even if technically it could be argued that 'kids' just includes all minors, we should attack any attempt to gain points in arguments with those emotionnally misleading terms. We need 100% rectitude, I don't care what the subject matter is. We are responsible for the ideas we put into people's minds with the words we choose.

[@GeoffJRC]

I'm against the sterilization of children.

[@darbyheavey406]

First do no harm.

[@kham6006]

I can’t stand that guy blossom !

[@sfg5620]

Non medical mastectomies are gender affirming surgeries and 12 year olds have had it.

[@eznight25]

If an anorexic female claimed that she was fat, and said that she knew that she was fat at an early age, and that she has felt fat for as long as she can remember, then should society affirm her that she is fat, and force doctors to give her Liposuction ? Or would we recognize that she has a mental illness and **lovingly** help her to get the psychological help that she clearly needs ?

[@claudiasheehan4086]

I find it interesting that schools which teach "gender gender fluidity" as part of sex education, don't give all the information. Why not have discussions and slides on what exactly is involved in the euphemistically termed bottom surgery. The results are ghoulish, aesthetically a poor facsimile of what the appearance of natural male and female genitalia are. Also a delineation of all possible the post operative complications would perhaps help kids make informed decisions. Not that children have the capacity to make informed consent decisions.

[@Wate]

Will you be reacting to the latest Destiny Jubilee video?

[@justsome-guy7596]

I've been noticing that Destiny has been taking a bit of a flogging online recently..... and have to admit a certain degree of shadenfreude ....

[@Wate]

@justsome-guy7596 Personally, I think Steven has been on a roll lately, but I've seen some of his debate opponents taking victory laps after he wreaked havoc on them, so I could understand people having that impression

[@1SpicyMeataball]

The guy is a loser cuck.

[@ambientjohnny]

@@Wate "On a roll", yeah, like thinking "adult human female" is a tautological and nonsense definition... Dude's brain is fried.

[@kerwynpk]

​@@Wate He's had a couple of objectively goofy takes lately, like the advocating political violence. Even though I choose not to comment on his personal life I wouldn't exactly call his reputation at its best.

[@JustSomeGuy]

Part of the problem is that people are more interested in scoring points than having a serious conversation. Take the "kids are/aren't having surgeries" claim. The person in the clip says it isn't happening, Boghossian says "kids" include anyone under 17, and since some 17 years old had top surgery, this person's is lying. But we're all aware that most people aren't thinking about 17 years old when someone says "kids." They're thinking about preteens and middle-schoolers, and that group rarely has any surgeries, so Boghossian's response is the same dishonest sleight of hand he accuses the person in the clip of doing. Even his own evidence from the propaganda film shows that only 282 kids between 13 to 17 had top surgery in 2021. This is out of some 70 MILLION kids in the country or 0.0004% of kids. You can object to the surgeries, but an epidemic this does not make. Yes, the trans activists crowd aren’t spending their best to defend the transgender community. They immediately resort to insults and hypocrisy when they can’t win the argument. However, the same is true for the anti-trans crowd who can’t go five minutes without making an ad hominem attack, who suddenly decide that anecedotal data is the only valid evidence, and who seem to think anyone who says they’re trans is either faking it for attention or a “degenerate.” We can’t have a serious conversation with people acting like that.

[@AndyJarman]

"Mature adolescents" (new WPATH SoC8 classification) is a mirror image of this. Fighting over boundaries instead of principles is playing the "Motte and Bailey" game. Seeing how much territory you can take and hold.

[@JustSomeGuy]

@@AndyJarman Worse, both sides are playing the Motte and Bailey game, making it impossible to focus on any point.

[@kerwynpk]

What ad hominem? you seem to have instantly switched from accusing of it to committing it lol

[@Puzzlesocks]

So ignore both crowds and try to find as much unbiased data as you can with which to make conclusions. Being someone who has done that, I don't see any possible way someone could support 'trans' without cognitive dissonance or sheer ignorance. That's not Ad Hominem any more than properly grading a test as failing or not. The trans argument fails on nearly every level with basically any digging into both sides with an open mind.

[@theunknownatheist3815]

Hey, only a dozen girls were violated and deleted by un legal migrants- so what’s the big deal? 🙄 This is your argument, that it isn’t very many? 🤬

[@Lu6771]

👍

[@tthompson9244]

I think I've noticed something with a lot of my favorite anti-woke KZbinrs (Peter, Triggernometry, Harris Sultan, Spiked, etc.) and it's that they constantly get in these digs at Harris but rarely say anything about Trump. I feel they don't want to support Trump publicly, since that would be embarrassing, so they keep tossing off these critisisms at Harris. So she has stated pronouns. She got on the woke bandwagon. Big f****** deal. Let's support the guy who wants to do a Ukrainian Molotov-Ribbentrop deal with Putin or shares classified info on our nuclear submarines with a random Australian billionnaire and just keeps doubling down. Or let's tank the economy with across the board tariffs. He's unteachable, can't admit a mistake and vindictive. Any screw up Harris does can be undone in 4 or 8 years. I don't think that's the case with Trump. The shit he says is scary.

[@jasonmolgren-vn9od]

I can't STAND the snapping.

[@theonlywayoutisin1461]

✨🙏🌊💙🌎💙🌊🙏✨

[@kenticser]

How is Peter Boghossian able to talk in a way that makes the most interesting subject sound boring?

[@TeamDiezinelli]

0:29 well we know from many detransitioners that this guy is lying or willfully ignorant. He is just regurgitating the talking points of the promoters of this insane ideology.

[@lexilang5011]

Loved this. Thank you. Please don’t stop. ❤

[@chronometa]

Talk of these fringe issues are getting boring, generally speaking. Although like his content in general

[@sdrc92126]

This is a religious question. Where is the outrage from the atheists?

[@theunknownatheist3815]

Peter IS AN ATHEIST. 🙄 As is Billboard Chis, and Many others. Get informed before flapping your gums

[@arokan327]

I get the reaction, because there are many outright anti-trans people out there. The question comes down to: If we had a save way to identify those children who's gender-distress is not caused by comorbid mental disorders or non-straight sexuality, and the stats show that for those children, medical intervention improves their life satisfaction, then medical and surgical therapies are indicated. The earlier you start the better the results, it's just a matter of precision.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

It’s a culture-bound syndrome. It is not a real, somatic thing, like figuring out ahead of time whether someone will be born with Down’s Syndrome, or cystic fibrosis. It’s entirely man-made, in the 20th century, in western culture.

[@squoctopus]

​@slacktoryrecords4193 💯

[@FemmeNatal]

That stupid finger clicking in support of ideological lies. So tired of this crap.

[@geirpg]

All this "lived experience" and "personal testimony" crap reminds me an aweful lot of Evangelical Christians.. It sounds religious.

[@Sharetheroad3333]

You know Peter, I follow you because I am in favor of free speech and challenging our view points. Yet time and time again- you make these crazy leaps, or something else. I never see you interest with anyone in comments except those showering you with adoration. Someone doesn’t go on Joe Rogan for a sinister motive???? How about because it’s Joe Rogan? Ffs. A person having a you tube following does not mean they are worth listening to. Rogan comes to egregious irrational fallacious conclusions regularly. Who gives a shit about that anyway. I invite you to stick to what you know man and know your limitations and avoid wild speculations. Please keep your man love to yourself. Gross. 🤮