Is Being Fat a Choice? | Middle Ground

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0:00 intro
0:32 Being fat or skinny is a choice
6:56 I would rather be skinny than fat
12:42 America has an obesity problem
21:59 Fat shaming is worse than skinny shaming
28:10 Diet culture has positive effects

[@jubilee]

Exclusive prompt only on Patreon: bit.ly/47HwDsG “The body positivity movement promotes childhood obesity”

[@MaxRamos8]

I think it's a 50% split cuz genetics, environment, economics, and upbringing are all factors that aren't controlled

[@dohadena]

are you guys not making enough money from millions of views and ads on here why is a part of the video behind a paywall? 😐

[@catalyst3713]

Yes it absolutely does.

[@user-sf9gs2pg1b]

@@MaxRamos8 I feel like genetics does play a role, but probably less than it’s implied. Consider that a family of overweight people will feed their kids what they eat and thus make it appear genetic, when in reality they’re just eating the same foods in the quantities their family has.

[@LuZu_]

@@user-sf9gs2pg1b /simulating their lifestyle

[@BBCEmily]

Bottom line: don't be rude or mean to people, but also, let's not pretend that being obese is in any way healthy.

[@Tommy-nh4su]

And let's not pretend being anorexic is healthy either. Both are bad.

[@sendcottoncandypls]

​@@Tommy-nh4su theres a difference between being just skinny and anorexic and anorexia is literally the most deadly mental illness so like...obviously its not healthy and i dont think anyone here said that

[@BBCEmily]

@@Tommy-nh4su Of course both are bad. But this episode is about obesity.

[@serah3338]

okay, let's also not pretend "not being healthy" is why obese people are treated so poorly

[@BBCEmily]

@@serah3338 I'm referring to overweight individuals who try to glorify their condition, as if there is nothing wrong or unusual about it. Encouraging others to be obese / normalizing it as if "it's alright to be super overweight" is just as damaging as encouraging people to starve themselves.

[@StingWe]

Telling a dangerously overweight person not to lose weight because they're "beautiful" is like telling an alcoholic not to stop drinking because they're "fun".

[@soylatte1288]

But on the flip side, in studies it shows that bullying plus size people for their weight doesn’t actually “help” them lose weight but in fact increases binge eating due to stress

[@RS54321]

Being dangerously overweight isn't beautiful, though.

[@mel-ed3yw]

@@RS54321beauty is subjective

[@Huge_Echman]

​@@soylatte1288 What a wild false dichotomy.

[@sf8262]

@@soylatte1288 at least in part because society is pushing to make it too acceptable to stay unhealthily overweight, and make it frowned upon to mention it. family members and close friends should say something, but not random strangers

[@bellalulu6249]

i NEED to see overweight vs gym rats. Especially gym rats who were overweight i feel like it’s a whole new harsh but real perspective

[@Musa_hi]

Fr we need one! but at the end I feel like the gym goers will be called "insecure" for changing themselves, I've seen so many of them get absolutely bodyshamed in the comments :/

[@edwardgaiennie8956]

Lauren gives me the gym rat vibe. But I don’t think she had a transformation

[@Musa_hi]

@@edwardgaiennie8956 she seems like a strict dietician rather than a gym rat

[@joebriggs5781]

@@edwardgaiennie8956 it’s fine to be a gym rat but she has an extreme relationship with food. You can be more balanced and still be in great shape. She’s free to do what she wants, but lots of healthy people eat junk food here and there.

[@jadaolson6479]

Why are gym rats the standard for health? Like what they gotta do w this? Some gym rats have disordered eating in order to maintain their bodies, how is that healthy?

[@symonewest5449]

"Going to the doctor is a choice" one of the most privileged things I've ever heard

[@Z1eepy_Rameos]

It is if you are fortunate enough. It also depends on where you live. For example being poor in America in need of medical attention then you have the worst luck. I wouldn’t call having basic rights privileged tho.

[@Martina-cr9io]

mainly in america

[@Szaknj]

DEADASS

[@MrManagemiracles]

It shouldn't be, what's the point of taxes if there isn't public free /affordable Healthcare

[@saf1692]

That's only if you live somewhere without free healthcare. Here in Canada it is a choice.

[@mycatsnameisgizmo4677]

Seeing everyone jump on Lauren when she said skinny people don’t eat junk food was refreshing

[@mra4955]

It's not that skinny people don't eat junk food, it's that they don't eat too much junk food

[@corsariocapitao]

​@@mra4955what is too much junk food?

[@spicycorndogs4619]

@@mra4955that’s also not true as a skinny person who eats way too much junk food lol

[@uchennanwogu2142]

@@spicycorndogs4619trust me, search up daily eating of an obese person

[@mra4955]

@@spicycorndogs4619 ok, must not be true then

[@millieegirl]

why is nobody talking about parker and the "some days i don't eat" casually 😭

[@stacymiffin3243]

No literally. Like Parker, that’s a disordered way of eating.

[@ChaseBurns-kc7xg]

fasting isn't an eating disorder he does have one but choosing to cleanse your pallet once or twice a month or not eating certain things certain days isn't an eating disorder@@stacymiffin3243

[@jsanchez8855]

My boyfriend looks EXACTLY like Parker. Like I had to ask him if that was actually him. But anyway, he also doesn't eat some days but he has IBS and ADHD and many days will just.. forget to eat, or avoid it if his tummy is feeling off. I have to actively remind him to eat.

[@revekat2053]

@@jsanchez8855he might be on medication that makes him lose his appetite.

[@NeptuneChildASMR]

I went through a few years where I would forget to eat too. It wasn’t purposely. I also have ADHD. On those days I would sometimes be up at 3 am and realize I forgot to eat and then grab something and make myself eat it. Or I’d go a day without eating and wake up and eat cheesecake in the morning 😅 I have had disordered eating for a lot of my life but during that time it wasn’t purposely avoiding food so I wouldn’t have considered it disordered compared to the times I’ve struggled with actual eating disorders.

[@nirvanaluvr19]

Madeline saying she’s average weight for women in America just proves that America has such a bad obesity problem 😭

[@voidackerman2082]

she is wrong

[@HaileyGraceL]

Madeline is delusional! She’s not average size, and her body is not at its “set point”.

[@meridoughten9425]

@@voidackerman2082 yeah the average weight of American women is 170 lbs and, no offense intended, but she clearly weighs more than that...

[@alla9916]

Also don't forget that the average height is 5'4". Someone who is shorter weighs less. I am 5'6" and 160 and I feel overweight and uncomfortable in my body. I get tired easily and clothes fit me weird. I felt much better at 135 lbs.

[@t_rok]

@@meridoughten9425 omg 170 is pretty big

[@terecitanevarez2905]

" I chose not to eat somedays"... friend there's a name for that

[@flamefusion8963]

Called having discipline.

[@terecitanevarez2905]

@@flamefusion8963 u don't need to "discipline" yourself to stay thin when he alr said he's underweight and wants to gain weight

[@MaryJaneJones.]

It's called fasting. I lost 50 pounds in 8 weeks. Now I'm 120 pounds.

[@mollybetts3449]

@@MaryJaneJones. Fasting is fine intermittently, but your body needs nutrients to survive. You are only supposed to lose 1-3 lbs a week in order to sustain yourself and your metabolism. There's nothing wrong with fasting, but there are significant health risks with long-term fasting

[@emfrida7917]

@@MaryJaneJones.what fast did u do?

[@vjrdxt]

when Lauren said she doesn't think skinny people go into the junk food aisle I already knew she was an almond mom type of person because that made no sense.

[@divinedlibra9884]

Fr. I have very fast metabolism. Sometimes i eat so unhealthy but I do not gain any weight

[@kab9706]

I think she worded herself badly, because skinny people do eat junk food and fast food, but thin people eat LESS of it. Smaller portions. A thin person is taking in less calories than a 400lb person.

[@divinedlibra9884]

@@kab9706 i agree. There needs to be a balance. But sometimes I do eat more junk food than people that are bigger than me. It’s weird. I think you need to find the balance between junk food and healthy food within your own body that fits your metabolism.

[@kab9706]

@divinedlibra9884 same I eat junk but I don't really binge eat or sneak snacks all night. Obese people sometimes claim they "never" eat or eat healthier than thin people, but those calories come from somewhere

[@alyssamarie5306]

⁠@@kab9706what do you mean thin vs skinny…

[@abi-fs5jt]

lauren acting like everyone can go see an endocrinolgist and not worry about medication costs...

[@familybitestravel4630]

Yep. AND if she has hyperthyroidism... she is more likely to be skinny.

[@tobiasdelasson8992]

just live in europe 👍

[@sapphire1817]

That's exactly it. It's complete privilege to bekuege that we all can do that especially as women and don't even get me started on those who are ethic lol

[@amandathaler1456]

She definitely carries the mindset of "I am thin and I am the better for it"

[@gabby9388]

Literally

[@noora78782]

Lauren saying she can't think of a single place that would be a food desert is so incredibly out of touch and ignorant I was shocked.

[@tranatkikomi6873]

I know some people just don't have a clue

[@pimvankempen4218]

I'm confused about this. If there is a place that doesn't have a grocery store in the area but it does have fast food restaurants, what's stopping anyone from starting a grocery store there? It seems like that would be very profitable.

[@noora78782]

@@pimvankempen4218 there are many areas that are more remote or just not major cities where there is not a grocery store for large distances. they’re usually in areas with less densely populated areas, higher amounts of abandoned homes, lower incomes and low education levels. idk what’s stopping ppl from opening one but probably profit margins. it’s more profitable to open a grocery store in a much more densely populated area than one with less. so basically the city planning is discriminatory against these rural populations

[@down-to-earth-mystery-school]

@@pimvankempen4218did you understand the amount of funding you must have to buy/rent a property, purchase all the refrigeration, hire all the staff, comply with safety regulations/licensing/inspections. If your town is so small you don’t have a grocery store, chances are you are also too poor to start a complex, expensive business…

[@ninjustumaster5101]

Imagine being this lazy

[@celinepa8246]

Noone should be wearing g-strings in public. Period.

[@AppleOfThineEye]

Nah, people should be able to wear (or not wear) what they please as a matter of autonomy.

[@cheesecurdinator4010]

​@@AppleOfThineEyenah its gross

[@AppleOfThineEye]

@@cheesecurdinator4010 You don't get to restrict someone's rights because you find them distasteful.

[@cheesecurdinator4010]

@@AppleOfThineEye I do too

[@unconventionalguitarist9129]

Yea, I agree with cheese

[@Welsh-Trials-Enduro]

Props to dominick for being self aware and balanced in his viewpoints

[@TheSalami]

He’s the only one who mentioned seed oils let’s go

[@ProfessorBonnie]

@@TheSalamihi carson

[@Mary-lr5ok]

His point about farms in small towns was kinda wack tho. Those farms are selling their meat and eggs in bulk to nationwide distributors, not to local poor people lol

[@pog8744]

@@Mary-lr5ok He meant that the residents themselves are farmers or at least have their own chickens

[@goosmus]

​@@pog8744 yeah that's correct! I've spent a lot of time on the road and while I obviously haven't visited every city in America, the thing rural cities had that places like LA certainly don't is land! People out there often had a few chickens of their own, and land enough to grow some vegetables, fruits, etc. so many fresh fruit trees, forageables, and more! Looking forward myself to getting well out of the city.

[@goldengoddess8568]

The way she said “I’m the average weight for women in America, so if you’re looking for the average the closest you’re going to get is me”, the only reason that’s the case is because of the obesity epidemic… That was not always the average weight historically.

[@destinypointer9069]

I agree with that statement. I was shocked when she said that she was the average, because I do not see many individuals who are that heavy. Do not get me wrong, I see overweight individuals, but I mostly see people who are 300lbs or below. Id say size 14-18 is the average for women because that is usually the size that is sold out most of the time.

[@-danny.]

@@destinypointer9069the average woman in the US is like ~5’3 and 170 lbs. So she’s definitely bigger than the average woman

[@fdscrl6016]

wow that is insane as someone from europe... and it is a problem to be that big. being the average doesn't mean its not bad like...

[@classtilton871]

She aint the average woman, shes delusional. Sorry if its harsh but thems the facts

[@viaisabeauty7540]

@@-danny.omg im literally 5’3 170 lbs 😩😩…crazy I’m that spot on 😂

[@thestrategiquegyal]

Did I hear her say “I can’t even think of an area that would have a food desert”….??

[@goatwoodward]

yeah, the whole cast was like, "well, I've never personally experienced one so they must not exist." 🙄🙄🙄 Like, I can see that they're not living in poverty by their clothes and the fact they can afford the food that's readily available in their towns.

[@GettingAGrip208]

I really wanna know more about these food deserts, I’m from a small town (population of 26 people) and it’s 15 miles to the nearest food source which is a grocery store. No fast food for 70 miles one direction and 100 miles the other direction. Is there areas where only fast food is around and not a single grocery store within a few mile radius?

[@dtslimefr9741]

@@GettingAGrip20826 people???

[@user-mo1hp4yu2i]

As a fitness coach who has helped many people gain and lose weight, I want to share my observations. All the slim individuals who told me that they also eat a lot or consume a lot of junk food, when I delve into how much food they actually eat in a day or how many calories they intake, the results are astonishingly similar. In fact, none of the slim people consume a large amount of junk food. Their average daily calorie intake is much lower than that of a normal person, and their appetite is very small. Similarly, individuals who claim they eat very little but are overweight always underestimate their appetite and the calorie content of their food.Excessive obesity and being too thin are both harmful to the body and unattractive. What's truly important is learning to control your own figure, so that when you are dissatisfied with your physique, you can change it as you wish. Controlling weight is never a difficult task; it is merely a skill, similar to riding a bicycle or swimming, that everyone can master as long as you have courage to try and faith to overcome certain difficulties.

[@The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare]

yeah they should have said they eat junk food often, not that they eat a lot of junk food.

[@Afrogirrl]

Exactly lots of my friends who ppl say they have a ‘fast metabolism’ almost never finish their plate of food or that one fast food meal they eat ‘everyday’ wouldve been their only meal that day because they forgot to eat, or were preoccupied with other things

[@The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare]

@@Afrogirrl you can have a faster metabolism, but only people who use their body a lot will, the more active you are the more you'll burn off. Having more muscle mass makes you burn more calories faster than someone who doesn't

[@Afrogirrl]

@@The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare yeah i dont disagree at all. But I feel like if you’re a skinnier person seen with a burger you’ll instantly be claimed to have a fast metabolism

[@The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare]

@@Afrogirrl yeah, but that's just based on some subconscious learning, which yes, it's false. And also a burger isn't that bad, I think a burger at mcdonalds is like 350 kcal or less and if you eat that as a meal then you eat less than what a meal would be, typically a meal would be 500 calories.

[@chuckbonanni9457]

Lauren was the embodiment of privileged and completely lacked empathy for others life experiences. I’m 115 pounds and I would never belittle someone how she did.

[@susse2343]

She had the absolutely worst stink bombs of a take omg

[@vlogsbyrow]

It made me seethe how she tried to mask her arguments as "logic" when they were obviously coming from a place of deep arrogance and bias. She just tried to sound fair 🤦‍♀

[@meadowsweetstudios444]

@@vlogsbyrowshe was saying the truth, though. You don’t need to sugarcoat all time. Could she have been a little more empathetic? Yes. But was she wrong? No.

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

"Privilege" is a social construct.

[@Jordan-xg4pn]

​@@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamerbaby all language is socially constructed

[@Dioliolio]

Shoutout to Dominick for being a totally reasonable and level headed dude.

[@rollitupmars]

He’s like this in all videos a really great guy

[@TeenageDirtbag8]

​@@rollitupmarsYep agree

[@masterqui-gonjinn90]

i hope he gets the help he needs

[@goosmus]

Aww shucks you guys are so nice 😍😍

[@Lxrd_Rome]

@@goosmusbro why you let her say she’s the average weight for someone

[@quinn7694]

Dominick seems like such a down to earth kind person, i wish him and his wife n kids well ❤

[@inclination7675]

Not every skinny person is healthy. Yes! But I never see an obese healthy person.

[@katarinavukosav3511]

I know 2. My partners parents are both over 100 kg (200 pounds) but they have a nutritious diet, they eat vegetables that they produce on their garden, protein and carbs, ofcourse they eat sweets, fried food or even mcdonals on special ocasions (which I don't thunk is unhealthy if it's not exagarated), but they also have an intense workout with a qualified coach 2 times a week and they have a dog so they take walks most days of the week, in summer they work in the garden on weekends they hike etc. Since they have a coach and try to eat even more of a nutritious diet they lost around 30-40 kilograms between both of them but for a year now they are stuck at the weight a bit over 100 kg. And I am sure they are not the only ones.

[@fredlloyd5487]

Skinny is an aesthetic. MOST skinny people aren’t healthy, if they were they’d be called “fit” or “athletic.” Meanwhile most football players are obese, even Travis Kelce.

[@glencoconut]

but weight can fluctuate not just based on health choices? like taking certain medicines make you gain weight or chemotherapy and to not do so could technically be considered unhealthy

[@Afrogirrl]

@@glencoconutwhat do you mean

[@Afrogirrl]

@@katarinavukosav3511you can overeat ‘healthy foods’ and many people eat more than they burn in exercise.

[@Aviciiz]

Madeline saying she is the average weight of a woman in America is either a lie or a big disappointment from America.

[@edwin1845]

70% of the usa is overweight 40% obese

[@CoolCat847]

She is not the average weight, I checked the stats because I was so shocked. It's 170.8 lbs (77 kg) and she definitely weighs more than that.

[@Aviciiz]

@@CoolCat847 Yeah I knew that had to be a lie she probably tells herself to sleep better at night

[@cngotham4111]

She be lying to win an argument or shes uninformed

[@db_2408]

honestly, my jaw dropped when she said that

[@therandommusicguy4773]

Dominick was the sort of person we should all be like. He didn't make excuses to suit himself, while also not bringing himself down.

[@walkingonfiree7609]

no, but he made judgements on everyone else and assumed they should think the same as him.

[@RaviPatel-lb7uc]

@@walkingonfiree7609 He judged them after they opened their mouths and excuses came out.

[@apowell539]

He's my spirit animal, I loved his accountability.

[@dont_harsh_my_mellow]

@@walkingonfiree7609 All that came out of the mouths of the others were sad back stories to justify not putting in the work to manage their weight. Is it harder for some ppl? Yes. Do some ppl have to jump through higher hoops for the same results? Yes. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t or can’t. It’s a CHOICE, as he mentioned too. The more we see a trial or obstacle as an excuse for complacency, the worse off we all will be. Imagine if Jackie Robinson thought how these ladies did. Would he really have gotten to his level of legendary status? No.

[@randomaccount3119]

I agree. I hope he lives a great life. He said he wants to be skinny so I hope he gets to his goal. It will benefit him

[@ariannarodriguez3231]

Lauren has literally never met a poor person

[@kathysandoval7054]

We shouldn’t even think of “GETTING THIN” we need to strive for a healthy LIFESTYLE. Build healthy habits, learn to build a healthy plate, do research, exercise, lift, go outdoors! Eat your favorite meals too! Enjoy your “guilty pleasure”. We have so much access to information on the internet.

[@Afrogirrl]

If you want to be healthy then you should strive for all kinds like your body weight. ‘Guilty pleasures’ are guilty for a reason

[@britwashereee]

@@Afrogirrl No, the number on the scale does not mean healthy or unhealthy in all situations. Correlation does not equal causation. Also, many guilty pleasures are things that people feel guilty about because it is something outside what they view as normal because of society. It does not mean they should actually feel guilty.

[@Afrogirrl]

@@britwashereee society? People should eat to their hearts extent and it’s okay to have excess adipose tissue, because of society?

[@britwashereee]

@@Afrogirrl Why are you saying something that I didn’t. That is not what I was saying, read my comment again. I was addressing what was said in the OC.

[@rico14]

@@britwashereeethat’s a bit disingenuous. Most people in America are overweight by +30 pounds on their frame, and telling them that aiming for a smaller weight is harmful. Might actually be counterproductive.

[@rlrcia]

Being healthy is a choice.

[@thecoolestcat5078]

no

[@nukahina384]

@@thecoolestcat5078 it is tho

[@SlimClipper]

Fact. Obviously you can get unlucky, but for the most part it’s a choice.

[@z3onix]

Depends on the situation

[@saltchipper-7147]

Yes, and some people are healthy at higher weights

[@mikhaylasellars2362]

saying skinny people don’t eat junk food is insane

[@RichardTavilla]

I don’t think you realize though that, even though they do, it’s the amount of it. Overweight people are extreme liars about how much they actually eat. They lie to themselves. Yes skinny people might have a cupcake once in a while but they don’t have three every day.

[@sierra94iolana]

@@RichardTavillaas someone who is definitely considered skinny…I often eat a whole pint of ice cream and carb-centered meals on a daily basis. Our natural metabolism is a big determinant of our set weights.

[@Mike-hk8lx]

@@sierra94iolana of course and age comes into play as well. Amount of junk and booze and I consumed in my 20s.

[@user-un7yy3rh6h]

@@RichardTavillaa cupcake once in a while? 😂😂😂

[@RichardTavilla]

@@user-un7yy3rh6h she eats a case a day

[@aliakapoor]

I really like the guy with glasses and red shorts. He knows that it's not black and white but grey. And the girl in the red dress is what my eating disorder sounds like.

[@janatomlin1296]

Yes!! She gives off privileged to another degree

[@X11CHASE]

You people are soft, can’t handle when someone doesn’t coddle you when telling the truth. The truth isn’t enough, you wanna be babied along the way… literally every out of shape person on these episodes acts like they did what it took to be fit but it just magically didn’t work for them

[@MammothMorals]

The issue with minimum wage jobs is not that those people can't afford to eat healthy. Its that minimum wage jobs often are the most time consuming. They don't have the tike to cook a healthy meal. McDonald's isn't cheaper than rice and beans. But rice and beans takes longer to prep.

[@sunshinecherries]

I think McD's is more expensive per unit meal compared to groceries. I live in Toronto and $25 of fast food would feed me for 2-3 meals. But $3 rice + $10 veggies + $12 meat will feed me for 6-7 meals. I spend about $50-$60 on groceries per week and cook most of my meals. Going back to what you mentioned about time - my instant pot and slow cooker have been huge time savers for me 😅 just toss stuff in and let it do its thing

[@Spijen]

@@sunshinecherries i get the whole "cheaper in the long run to buy groceries" thing, but sometimes people dont realize that we dont have the $50 to spend in the first place. Luckily im finally able to buy groceries, but for a long time i only had $50/week and that was for literally everything-- food, toiletries, etc. Now i always buy whats gonna save money i the long run, but there were so many times where i had to spend my $15 on some super cheap fast food and had to make it stretch for days

[@dannygonxalez9011]

mcdonald’s has gotten so expensive, i save so much more money when i cook at home and spend an hour or so meal prepping.

[@MammothMorals]

@@Spijen again $15 will get you more out of groceries if you buy correctly than it would fast food.

[@sunshinecherries]

@@MammothMorals agreed. $15 will MAYBE get you 4 items from a super value menu. Generally, food is more expensive the more processed it is. I just buy "raw" groceries and cook food myself 😁

[@pxachholic]

Dominic seems very smart! He thinks very logically and doesn't victimize himself. I wish him a long and healthy life😁

[@DoyinVoice]

Very smart and great communicator

[@kab9706]

Agreed, he's very smart and seems sweet. I like that he takes accountability

[@JM-yn8mb]

You better keep wishing LOL

[@simba00784]

He a guy

[@TheGreatPapyrusSpaghetti2697]

Fr

[@enzogeet2463]

As a nutritionist, seeing so many people think obesity isn't a factor leading to health diseases is concerning... It is really sad to know that's how it is across the atlantic, Europeans are usually way more educated on this subject.

[@trackflix.]

They all know it's detrimental to their health lmao they just won't accept it

[@whatoh3407]

These girls are coping HARD!!

[@logicallychaotic9139]

become a DIETITIAN then come back…

[@jato2942]

Another reason why Europeans are superior

[@Momo-po5tn]

Americans have brainwashed themselves

[@bayamonrican]

Madeline saying she is the size of the average American woman was incredibly disturbing. If this is how the average American woman looks like then we 100% have an obesity problem.

[@gacusrunner2004]

That's the same thing I wrote a second ago 😂 , average is 170 pounds she easily weights 300 pounds

[@fthidebessai3523]

shame doesn’t work as a motivator. people can only change through love.

[@sidcrook-hutsler9155]

I disagree. We pushed love and now the majority think being obese is beautiful and healthy

[@DaniBee2900]

@@sidcrook-hutsler9155ignorant

[@HaileyGraceL]

My mom pointed out I gained a lot of weight, looked unhealthy and unlike myself when I was 30. I lost that weight FAST.

[@Shirx.ley7]

It’s a huge problem that people don’t think obesity is unhealthy. Has nothing to do with being beautiful. Everything to do with dying early for no reason.

[@9395gb]

Thank you. They are focused on the aesthetics of weight and beauty. It should not be about that. It's about health...high blood pressure, diabetes, heart attack, joint problems, breathing issues, stroke and earlier death. This can be said for being underweight as well. But the lack of acknowledgement of the weight being uncomfortable and impeding their ability to live a happier and long life.

[@leftunsupervised]

This is based on my experience, so caveat there, but I've never met an obese person who thought that their obesity was healthy or even pleasant. It's very uncomfortable physically. I've met obese people who don't want to be judged as less healthy in their habits than skinny people and treated differently as a person based on their weight alone. Which, to me, is fair. I know loads of perfectly thin people with terrible eating habits who never work out. And many overweight people who eat healthy and exercise. 🤷

[@Shirx.ley7]

@@leftunsupervised FYI I am an obese person. I never once have claimed to be healthy, as the people in the video are, nor do I think it’s ok. It’s a huge problem in America. I’ve been on a journey to get healthy and have lost 100 pounds in the last year because of my own personal choices. Everything comes down to choices. I’m still obese and I workout 5 days a week. At the core, nobody is naturally obese and I agree that we should all be treated equally but also obesity is a huge problem and only made worse by corporate greed and the overconsumption and gluttony taught in our society

[@leftunsupervised]

@@Shirx.ley7 Congratulations! That's incredible! Is obesity healthy? No. Do many obese people have healthy habits equal to or exceeding the habits of loads of thin people? Yes. I know them personally. They're putting in the work like you, but they aren't getting the results like you. They have other conditions and health factors than you don't seem to have. So, GREAT! That's awesome! But know that your experience isn't universal, so you can't then stand up and say oh, well, it's always a choice. I think the people in the video, esp. Cambria, were saying that you can't assume she's just a person with no self-control based on looking at her. She has healthy habits, she just also has lupus and was given medication that made her gain weight. That wasn't her choice. She doesn't have the same scenario as you, nor should people assume that she does.

[@Shirx.ley7]

@@leftunsupervised I understand where you’re coming from but I also am studying nutrition and exercise science and there’s no health condition that prevents weight loss by caloric deficit. It is how our bodies are fundamentally wired. Being slightly overweight may not be a choice but being obese is. Some may have to work harder but science is a fact. Understanding your own body and adjusting to your own needs is what it takes if you want to be healthy. There’s no one size fits all, but all should make every effort to be healthy. Nobody’s body is at a 300 pound set point, that’s not how it works chemically. Even with hormonal syndromes and issues, there are choices you can make to be at a healthy weight, I’ve seen it plenty of times and have my own experiences with physical limitations. There’s truly no valid excuse to being obese other than you just don’t want to put in the work, which I understand but let’s be honest about it. If someone is happy with their body then I’m happy for them, but I’m not going to agree that some people are healthy and obese and some people just can’t lose weight when it’s just simply not true.

[@JKDC97]

Is anyone checking on Parker? He started the discussion saying that being skinny is a choice because there are some days that he chooses not to eat to later admitting that he is anorexic. That's an eating disorder and just as unhealthy as overeating and being obese. (Also, its important to point out that men's mental health, especially with regard to eating disorders, is SO overlooked and not acknowledged enough)

[@isa640]

Why do we need to check on him. He said himself it's a "choice."

[@aaronaldo14]

He’s aware that he is severely underweight

[@prayed249]

def not as unhealthy as overeating or being obese but he should find some kind of help so he can be at a healthy weight

[@rainnnnnnn]

Is anyone checking on overweight people in this video?

[@annemmie]

@@isa640well having an ed is never a choice

[@olliej.2603]

If you hate yourself while trying to lose weight then you’re most likely not going to either lose the weight or keep the weight off. Loving yourself through the whole process will not only grow you physically but mentally and emotionally. ❤

[@The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare]

because it's so easy to just love yourself?

[@Vilik-nm7ry]

Saying she's the average weight is WILD, it's just not true.

[@LINA-je9my]

Well historically it's not but nowadays it is actually the average weight.

[@goldantube6525]

@@LINA-je9my That is not average even by today's standards

[@LINA-je9my]

@@goldantube6525 ok

[@LINA-je9my]

@@goldantube6525 ok

[@LINA-je9my]

@@goldantube6525 ok.

[@keirahleesha486]

I laughed so hard when Lauren said “Skinny people” don’t go to the junk food aisle 😂😂 Just because someone is skinny doesn’t mean they are healthy ✌🏽

[@sweet3488]

Lol yea they say junk food is horrible but people like Parker thinks it’s fine to not eat for entire days

[@leftunsupervised]

@@sweet3488 And Lauren was really vibing with that grapes and lettuce only diet 😂 Ah yes, fiber and fructose bombs. So healthy.

[@avalonstout1490]

@@leftunsupervisedshe literally said the exact opposite. She was actually anti dieting

[@britterthecritter4531]

Facts, I’ve been skinny my whole life and got high cholesterol 💀💀

[@leftunsupervised]

@@AlesBejr-jk2py Thank you. I don't know why people keep ignoring what words mean in favor of how they are feeling about a word at the time they are typing it.

[@arabellamoore2082]

are we all just gonna ignore that Parker is clearly struggling with an eating disorder....

[@eleriamirayse6859]

Not just him

[@zxr250]

I've seen several comments talking about it - so people aren't ignoring it.

[@AlisonMendez-bx8tp]

Multiple ppl in this video have an eating disorder

[@oreochocolate_lavacake9960]

I think he's aware of it as he did mention he is underweight so I hope he's geting the help he needs.

[@oreochocolate_lavacake9960]

​@@eleriamirayse6859 We're not talking about other people we're talking about Parker.

[@yukslime8468]

“Your body like to be at certain weights” 😂😂😂 that an insane statement

[@DealthTheGreat]

It’s true

[@HaileyGraceL]

Especially when she’s obese! Lol

[@yukslime8468]

@@DealthTheGreat 😭

[@alla9916]

It's true though. I am 5'6" and when I went under 120 I felt dizzy and weak. I feel my best at 136lbs

[@justinvargas8517]

@@alla9916facts, as a 5’8” male At 150 pounds I was lethargic and could not lift weight At 170 I am much stronger and I feel 10x better. I also look much better

[@biagalves6553]

I wish I could participate on this discussion, love talking about it and meeting people that know how to be polite when expressing their opinions is so great

[@isaiahharris7046]

They should do another episode to where it's the exact same prompt but this time it's nothing but doctors debating. That would be interesting

[@christinasanderford5849]

ooohhh yeah

[@FKDame]

Yeah except they’re not going to be debating because it’s not really a debate

[@isaiahharris7046]

@FKDame yes they would there's so many different opinions among various different doctors.

[@elianavictor108]

There would most likely not be a debate. Science shows that it is not healthy for someone to be overweight. In terms of beauty or ability to be a happy person, that is a different discussion, but most likely all doctors will agree from a health standpoint.

[@chouyi7591]

itd be hard to find a doctor that’s pro obesity

[@gusudeani6071]

I feel like Lauren views being skinny through her own personal lens rather than objectively. The fact she straight faced said skinny people don’t eat junk food is BAFFLING. I’m 118lbs(53kg) and during my early twenties I was eating cake for breakfast some days. I would’ve loved a little bit more back and forth and challenge to Lauren’s claims.

[@uchennanwogu2142]

how many calories did you consume? daily

[@popkick8350]

@@uchennanwogu2142The point wasn’t really about how much cake is eaten or not. It was about eating cake at all since Lauren made the claim skinny people don’t eat junk.

[@gibbono]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@popkick8350 I’d like to think that Lauren was referring to the fact that skinny people don’t eat much calorie wise which is why she said they don’t eat much junk food either. Metabolism can play a big part but at the end of the day if you’re still skinny even after eating “a lot” then you’re not actually eating that many calories/junk food in this case.

[@curryascocarrasco4829]

I work out because it's fun and it allows me to eat more!

[@chitownjaxxk7644]

@@gibbonobut that’s not true , she should speak for herself because that’s false .

[@NotTouchingGrassEver]

Dominic is a well knowledged person who is logical, and he is able to communicate well to others without belitting them by being self-aware

[@RG_Eph]

He seems very nice but he is not informed about seed oils. There is so much false information about seed oils being spread

[@MrOKECBON]

The rich corporations didn't force you to walk in McDonald. You did! Your responsibility

[@MPLetsTalkAboutIt]

Dominick is the definition of accountability. He holds himself accountable but also is able to see its up to him whether he wants to change or not

[@joeyhernandez7908]

Fax but at times comes out douchey

[@jennosyde709]

Perhaps so, though he likely does not have the background in psychology to understand that some of what he is saying is a bit silly. Even if he wanted to boil it down to willpower (though there are countless systemic factors which contribute towards obesity), willpower is quite literally a limited resource within the body that is regulated by blood glucose levels within the brain. People who struggle with self control are typically placed within environments where they are frequently exposed to high levels of temptation, which reduces glucose levels within the body making it more and more difficult to exert self control with each subsequent temptation. Many people due to financial, legal, or social circumstances cannot simply up and change every component to their lives, which can make it exceptionally difficult to lose weight simply because of this factor alone. People in Europe do not have some innate ability for willpower that Americans do not. The difference is that they have different systemic solutions to address obesity, including walkable cities, less fast food, higher regulation in the food manufacturing process, and better regional wages/work hours that leave people with the time and energy to cook at home. I do respect Dominick's willingness to take accountability for his own life, though this subject is far more complicated than being a mere issue of self control.

[@hannahmacdonald9040]

@@jennosyde709 Yeah agreed some of his takes were way to simplistic, weight is a lot more complicated than mere willpower...

[@McKinley491]

it is an issue of self control and willpower and discipline. I'm not naturally skinny, i calorie count every single day and do calories in vs calories out. Some people lack that discipline, simple as that. Take accountability for your own obesity. @@jennosyde709

[@McKinley491]

there's fast food everywhere, don't eat it maybe? You're not a child. Where I live theres' tonnes of horrible fast food, you just avoid it. Walkable cities? You can still go to the gym or run, btw though, exercise isn't necessary to lose weight. It's all diet (calories in vs calories out). You also don't need to buy sugary HFCS crap in America. And even if you do, it's still calories in vs calories out. You could lose weight on mcdonalds if you wanted.@@jennosyde709

[@NicoleReign]

Lauren is so blind to her privilege, it’s tragic. In the US, no, everyone doesn’t have the choice to walk into a doctor’s office (which is hundreds of dollars….) and get checked. Crazy that she made that suggestion

[@jaynez9027]

Agree. Her responses were pretty out of touch.

[@Eroshenkova]

If you realy care about yourself you will get the money for your health. Btw in Russia it's free.

[@cd3xp]

plus not everyone lives close to a grocery store !

[@sznlaura]

@@Eroshenkovain america average people can’t afford it. Have family ther but am from europe and its really nit accesible to many people there bc like for some its either paying for food and school and rent or doctor

[@user-he2ou2ex2f]

@@jaynez9027 nah, she keeps it real. No wonder she can manage her own weight. We’re just a society that enables self victimisation. No accountability.

[@angelachen4760]

Thank you Lauren for being honest.

[@vesuvius2444]

I once heard someone who had a drug addiction and a food addiction. Say that the food addiction was way worse because we have to eat everyday while the drugs he took weren't something he had to do. So the over eating temptation is always there for him every time he ate. People can definitely change their lot in life but it's definitely not an easy thing for certain people to overcome. It's much easier to never be obese and maintain that. In some ways it's a choice, in other ways, it isn't.

[@windwielder187]

Madeline did not just say she is average weight

[@valarmorghulis25]

Yeah that was insane

[@queenleo5578]

She said she was the closest out of all of them. The average size in the US is like a size between a 14-16 now

[@n0isy-rat]

The average hieght and weight of women in america is 170lbs and 5’4 😰

[@Goosebeoms_]

​@@n0isy-ratAin't no way💀🤚

[@lcvinhannah]

@@Goosebeoms_ idk how true it is because it’s google but that’s what it says.

[@YTho-ev1ej]

Being skinny doesn’t mean your healthy but being obese means you are unhealthy. I think parents have a duty to make sure their kids are healthy, both mentally and physically (and being overweight pertains to both)

[@duels]

​@@KaitlinSkilton not very often you can say its not food related. people will always come up with excuses

[@duels]

@@KaitlinSkilton look at other countries, clearly something is going on that’s severely unproportionate. not just conditions as it’s made out to be

[@lilithjones5455]

@@KaitlinSkiltonyes and this apparently uncommon thing seems to affect mostly Americans it seems. Definitely not the fact the USA is known for junk foods high in sugar and with less care about what chemicals go in than most other countries

[@TheAmazingHoho576]

And emotionally!

[@tartantulakid666]

@@KaitlinSkilton it's a bit of a stereotype that the woman always looks for the exception and not the rule. Are we really going to pretend that 60% of the adult US population all have genetic diseases?

[@JessicaBlaze89]

I am 35 standing 5'3 weighing 125. I've always been petite. I've struggled w gaining weight my entire life. When I started strength training, weight training, and learning about eating more calories than my body outputs with high metabolism. I've managed to gain 8 pounds with adding in more protein; peanut butter, eggs, milk, and protein shakes have done wonders❤️

[@jaidyn732]

the girl in the red dress (lauren i think?) is incredibly privileged to think everyone is able to live the same way she is

[@X11CHASE]

And you’re a moron if you think it requires privilege to be in shape 🤣

[@dannygonxalez9011]

she seems uneducated and the wrong person to have on the “skinny” team

[@lisac6905]

This should be renamed Anorexia vs Binge Eating Disorder. In the first 5 minutes that one guy said he chooses to go without food some days. Literally every person on this panel has said something that relates to disordered eating. Jubilee needs to vet their speakers better because both sides are just pushing an unhealthy lifestyle.

[@user-he2ou2ex2f]

Yh 100%. Jubilee just loves to get outliers in the discussion. While still interesting takes away from what the debate should’ve been.

[@FeelMyRhythm2U]

Exactly.

[@user-sf9gs2pg1b]

Yeah, I thought that was incredibly strange. Once I saw the skinny guy I immediately thought he had an eating disorder or something.

[@rosee8140]

The skinny side is definitely not 'anorexic', having disordered eating and being skinny is not the same as anorexia.

[@trilogy135]

Yup

[@laurynelizz__]

This discussion needed more people at healthy weights and with healthy relationships with food. Even the skinny people exhibit a lot of disordered behaviors from what I can tell, based on what they’ve told us

[@TheDevastator619]

When Parker openly said he “chooses” not to eat some days, it screamed depravation to me. Sure there are days when you’re not hungry and your body doesn’t prompt to eat, but if you’re actively making the choice to suppress when your body is telling you you’re hungry is harmful.

[@rosee8140]

I kinda wanna see the opposite, morbidly obese vs diagnosed anorexic.

[@weirdflex8158]

​@@TheDevastator619not necessarily no. Fasting is great for lots of people

[@Idkchangethislater]

Exactly both sides seemed kinda…Struggling…

[@Formerlywendytestaburger1621]

I'm pretty sure he meant that his appetite is so low that he wouldn't eat because he talked about it as an unhealthy thing@@TheDevastator619

[@tiapadilla7722]

lauren needs a reality check, ed help, and behavioral therapy

[@rok9587]

Well, if you can't handle facts, then it's you who needs therapy

[@annaku_lickalicious]

actually lauren is brave to say things most slim people don't say on camera, but think in their head. because no one wants to be the 'mean' person.

[@lamonnaiemer]

I really love that they brought this variety of perspectives together in a harmonious way despite the differences of their opinions and active realities. I deeply appreciate this broadcast. And for the exposure and the interruption of Lauren.

[@elik8448]

Lauren 100% has the same vibes as a mom who very much causes all her kids to have eating disorders and control issues. I really valued Dominik's self awareness though, he not only acknowledged that being skinny can also be unhealthy and that he himself has unhealthy eating habits but also showed a lot of empathy towards others while they were speaking about their experience.

[@GoldenGoosey26]

Or or or, she teaches her kids healthy eating habits

[@DajaMoonSage]

@@GoldenGoosey26 Doubt it...she said she was for 'body shamming' someone into trying to get healthy. This is how self-image issues start, which can then lead to eating disorders. Body Shamming someone generally does not work. If anything, it can push more mental health issues.

[@batswanamodipane7774]

true, I like how he actually admitted that his perspective has changed, which is the whole point of these videos I think

[@brieonymous]

How do you figure? I see her as the voice of reason. Obesity is not healthy, period. She was also not shying away from the FACT that obesity is not visually appealing to anyone save for people with fetishes.

[@bekind9827]

@@GoldenGoosey26 My mother who is somewhat similar to Lauren and it has made me fairly unhealthy... Like I will feel like when she is not around I just need to stuff my mouth with bad food because its the only time when I dont have to worry about her judgement. I will say, to some extent the things she says make a lot of sense however she takes it a bit to far and struggles to understand that living a healthy lifestyle is not a one size fits all thing.

[@Allhailpablo]

Dominick was definitely the voice of reason throughout this conversation. So refreshing to see someone who understands a problem and the other side's points and is able to logically and empathetically produce his

[@Claire-ux2qu]

except when they were talking about food deserts

[@SmallSnailMarie]

I appreciate how during diet culture discussion he asked for the other guys definition rather than just arguing with him without knowing what he considered to be "diet culture". It really shows that he is a cognitive thinker and he is trying very hard to consider everyone's background for their opinions.

[@dariusjohn7581]

I love the congeniality and well-manneredness of the plus-sized people. Great conversation and great questions.

[@denziboi4063]

Now do a reunion in 15 years and see whos still alive

[@Cierra_yo]

lol fax

[@IdislikeTechnology]

Probs not Lauren, with all that judgemental bias at the ready 😅

[@taylorstephensen-beal5391]

“I choose not to eat some days.” Babes, that’s called an eating disorder. 1:26

[@JasonVoorheeTalkShow]

Crazy how people are casually overlooking Parker stating he has an eating disorder

[@marymcintyre1702]

Fasting is not a eating disorder, some people fast for religious reasons first of all and this has been practiced for centuries. There are also numerous studies on the health benefits of fasting such as increasing memory, regulating insulin (decreasing risk for type 2 diabetes) fasting enhances heart health by improving blood pressure, triglycerides, and cholesterol levels therefore reducing risk for heart conditions. Fasting increases the generation of nerve cells to help enhance cognitive function and reduce inflammation. Fasting increases growth hormone secretion research shows that this key hormone is involved metabolism, weight loss, and muscle growth. Several studies have found that fasting could naturally increase HGH levels. One review article noted that fasting for 37.5 hours can increase basal HGH concentrations by as much as ten times and also reduces the metabolic rate at which the body clears HGH. Several animal studies have found promising results on the potential lifespan-extending effects of fasting. the effects of periodic fasting on the human gut and found that fasting increased the diversity of helpful bacteria in the gut microbiome, including the Christensenella species, which are related to longevity. The researchers also noted an increase in sirtuins, proteins involved in metabolic regulation that are also associated with longevity. Fasting could reduce tumor progression and increase chemotherapy’s effectiveness. Calling fasting a eating disorder regardless of someone’s religious beliefs or health reasons is incredibly ignorant.

[@EowynSoup]

​@marymcintyre1702 fasting isn't an ED, but he later acknowledged he's severely underweight. Earlier he said he chooses to be skinny. It's all red flags to me

[@medogerty6013]

He seems happy doing it though and he’s not victimizing himself. So I don’t see an issue with it.

[@simplecontinuous2343]

I was surprised it took me this long to find this comment! Or that more people weren’t bringing it up.

[@isabellariner9733]

Lauren was unbearable, her viewpoints honestly disgusted me and were extremely hurtful. I’m not even overweight but she exemplifies why eating disorders are such a problem

[@jonathanwalker3135]

She spoke nothing but facts...

[@faithfrancisco9829]

Yes I couldn’t agree more

[@wiz7650]

I feel like her points were often valid. I feel though that some of her points were innapropriate to the prompt or the course the conversation was going in.

[@2bagbreezo]

I think she says what people typically DONT want to hear , doesn’t make it horrible. It’s just an opinion you’re not a kin to, which is why we need these debates. She even went as far as to be respectful I’m not trying to hurt others feelings when she visibly seen them get frustrated

[@MsLt1982]

@@wiz7650right, it was like she had points she was planning to bring up ahead of time and couldn’t understand the conversation otherwise. Talking and not listening.

[@luyandalamula9009]

I love how it starts off with the disagreers for the first prompt explaining the nuances around her weight and the skinny girl continues to list things that may be out of your control as a choice. @3:57

[@sunshinecherries]

dominick is so well-spoken. i hope he gets the resources he needs to improve his life for his own sake as well as for his family :)

[@bibbo3167]

This was one of the most genuinely productive episodes they’ve had in a while-no arguing, yelling, passive aggression etc

[@ymoonysun9130]

Productive for me is when the debate has quality and brings a logical fresh light to the subjet: but this episode was one of the most unproductive ones since no facts, no arguments structure, no science was brought, only weak opinions based on emotions ://

[@bibbo3167]

@@ymoonysun9130 baby steps baby steps lol

[@LadyNellie]

​@@ymoonysun9130huh?

[@BabyJellyfish]

None of this was productive. Not shouting at each other is the barest of. Minimums

[@ShadowJinxXOX]

⁠@@ymoonysun9130I disagree, an argument doesn’t need a statistic attached to it if it can still provide sound reasoning to its basis. And there was a decent amount of times that deductive reasoning was applied from both sides, maybe not always perfectly, but fair points were discussed

[@lauranottuna]

I dont agree with everything said, but I am so glad about how relaxed the conversation was. Not much shaming, no screaming, no talking over each other.

[@Wanderlust06705]

Same. After watching the trans debate this was really refreshing.

[@rita8274]

Even when they obviously physically disagreed with someone talking, they weren't taking it to the next level by being unnecessarily rude. Nice to see the episodes coming back to actual discussions instead of just screaming matches.

[@mon3yw4y]

They were talking over each other sometimes, perhaps not significantly enough to change the atmosphere of the conversation.

[@jayart7928]

The fats should be shamed.

[@drawingdoritu]

@@jayart7928i hope this is a joke

[@jasonmageria6274]

these are always interesting lessons in self awareness. Shoutout the boy Dom, he a real one

[@midapa2530]

Dominic is such a lovely and logical person 👏👏👏

[@TheBluntDoctor]

“Skinny people don’t go into snack isles “ GIRL WHAT 😭😭😭

[@EC-dz3fb]

Lauren is a horrible, horrible person.

[@raevix4766]

They go to it but just take less

[@itzasweater9621]

Skinny adults, especially as they age, do avoid a lot of junk.

[@ashlynnhillegas3960]

Them skinny people be eating the mosssssttt

[@ethanhawkins3052]

@@ashlynnhillegas3960total calorie intake is lower for skinny people

[@veronicawinja3682]

As an African who moved to America, food and the food system has been one of the biggest challenges that I have experienced. It's a system that's not for the people at all! and it's even worse for the poor e.g. homeless people. The food quantities are abnormal, vegetables are way more expensive than junk food, there's a lot of variety of junk food. Food here is more for pleasure than for nutritional value.

[@Summer-ke5es]

Agree. After moving to the US I gained so much weight. And the creziest thing is that I'm gaining weight from simple stuff like potatoes, for example. It doesn't matter if I boil them or grill I still gaining weight. Back home I could it potatoes as much as I want and never gained even one pound.

[@itsnotif.itswhen]

@@Summer-ke5essame with meat quality. I suspect the way they raise farm animals here is different that contributes to the obesity epidemic.

[@justme.11]

Should be the number 1 comment.

[@selinacadisch8449]

its so crazy cuz for example in Switzerland,which is where i live, most American foods aren‘t even allowed bc of how much chemical and just generally unhealthy stuff is in them.

[@Oxymera]

I always hear about immigrants eating the same diet they had from their home country and still gaining weight. There must be something in our food that causes this

[@peardrop7840]

I’m a fan of Cambria, I think Cambria handled this conversation with a lot knowledge and integrity and empathy. I felt like she knew what made sense for her body and was able to talk about health objectively, she was still personal but I saw that she was thinking about how bodies work for themselves, not how bodies are told to work. the grace of her saying thank you to Lauren at the end expressed so much quiet confidence. Food deserts are 100% a thing as is limited access to fresh produce and if you think it’s not then that’s probably a privilege that needs checking and it’s time to do some research. Also the foods we get given as children will always matter to us and have nostalgia and comfort or they’ll be a trigger but either way, what we have access to as children matters. Choice is choice within a structure, Lauren talks about choices as if everyone has the same choices available to them and that’s not true. I’m glad Lauren got help for her anxiety around body problems and that she’s on a journey and I hope she reaches a truly non judgemental place of acceptance for herself one day, but her journey of oh I had a problem and then I went to a dr and ate healthy food isn’t as a to b as she sees it and I think she’s not seeing outside of the money privilege that she’s had access to; trainer, drs, healthy food, thinking food deserts aren’t real etc, also she kept interrupting, did she interrupt the skinny people as much? I didn’t feel like she was actively listening, I felt like she was waiting to speak and saw her opinion as more important, it isn’t.

[@harrisonneil8444]

Crazy...Why are most the women on the panel making up reasons/excuses on why they are unable to eat healthy, and the only overweight guy on the panel is actually taking accountability on poor eating habits/choices

[@DearAliya]

I hope Dominick see's all of the support from the comments on this video and always feels motivated to achieve his personal health goals so that he can have the future he wishes for - he deserves it!

[@georgiadriven]

I agree!

[@koraliee]

Dominick seems like a great guy and came off as very intelligent and level-headed. Props to him.

[@ellabella803]

10:59 there is no such thing as a fatphobic bias. If youre overweight and obese, you WILL get sicker easily. This is from personal experience, please just be so for real.

[@darionmartin7618]

The taller larger gentleman is living in reality and speaks eloquently about it. S tier

[@socialmimicry]

I really don't think Madeline is considered average size as she claims.

[@Lagiacrus1996]

Yeah like a quick google shows its about 170lbs. I don't think she's 170...

[@rchilla5860]

I almost spat out my damn water when she said she was the average.

[@brxndan222]

i had to pause the video and just stare at disbelief in what she said

[@hayleywhelan3243]

Maybe it's because she's so top heavy that can make you look so much bigger

[@lilycakes49]

Height contributes to how weight looks on someone. She's pretty short

[@dewis9997]

The plus-size community needs more people like Dominic to speak up because if a skinny person says what he said, it doesn't come off the same/ some might feel it's fatphobia, but if he says it, it's more accepted.

[@jaysellers011]

It's sad that the Western society is like that. I think humans with different backgrounds should all have a voice

[@jeffisjeff5511]

Are you sure he’s plus sized? Because most plus sized people are healthy. Since plus sized is just a bigger build instead of overweight or obese

[@gur262]

​​@@jeffisjeff5511😂😂😂no plus sized is obesity, in almost every example of it

[@jeffisjeff5511]

@@gur262 Plus sized isn’t obesity. They both are different things. Please do research because it’s very bad to spread misinformation. Many plus sized people are healthy. They just have bigger bodies which would be healthy for them. Again plus sized and obesity are completely different. Don’t mesh them together.

[@Winkle-Dinkle]

@@jeffisjeff5511I’m pretty sure plus sized is simply an umbrella term that refers to anyone above the average weight across a population. This can include oversight, obese, or morbidly obese. At least that is what the trustworthy sources purport.

[@oseki7168]

Every point Lauren made was baffling. I am 5"5 and have been consistently 95-105 lbs since I hit that height. I eat over 3k calories a day and don't work out.... There are *so* many factors that go into weight. I hope she never has children with this mindset, because it will end it disaster.

[@metoo3342]

You dont have to workout to burn more calories. You can burn extra just by simply doing normal daily activies.

[@JasmineJones-dy1cx]

I would’ve loved to be apart of this!! So cool.

[@oluchi8910]

Now this is a DISCUSSION! It doesn’t matter what side you’re on, people sitting down with opposing views and still being able to have a civil adult conversation while not cutting each other off and really LISTENING to all sides even if they don’t agree is super underrated

[@oponomo]

funny thing is: this wasn't 2 opposite views, it was 2 opposite body types. Most of them have similar views which makes this a very weird jubilee versus.

[@tartantulakid666]

There is only one correct side in this discussion. Being obese shouldn't be normalised and shouldn't be accepted. All I heard from the obese people were lies about their eating habits and lies about how great they feel. When you start to see their behaviour from the addiction perspective, their lying and deceit makes a lot more sense.

[@Piinnkbunnii]

lol my name twin! Are you Nigerian or Nigerian American?

[@amyswallow742]

i feel like this is one of the healthiest jubilee discussions i've seen and that's sad

[@Brooklynnspov]

@@tartantulakid666then your lying about liking to be skinny

[@mengl29]

As someone who has lost a ton of weight (45kg aka 100 pounds), it is definitely difficult to lose weight. Getting over that initial craving / transition period is really really hard. However, once you get past that first month or so it does get easier. And it feels so much better! You can do so many more things more easily, and life just generally improves. If you are currently going through the weight loss process, don't give up, you can do this, I did, so you definitely can!

[@poejavelski148]

Great job on your progress! I absolutely agree. I was the opposite, I was once 130 pounds at 6’3, and lean bulked 60-65 pounds over a few years. The hardest part was definitely near the beginning, changing your life long eating habits is super tough. After about 30 pounds gained, I felt like I had developed much better habits and was much happier and just kept going from there.

[@mengl29]

@@poejavelski148 Sounds like you've done amazing mate, congratulations on your successful efforts. I will say, as someone who has been on both sides of the spectrum, it is still difficult for me not to either undereat or potentially overeat, however, i'm doing my best to maintain a healthy lifestyle, and in the end that's all we can do. Do our best to be the best version of ourselves we can

[@poejavelski148]

@@mengl29 Love to hear it, keep doing what you’re doing 💪

[@JW-1089]

Thank you for sharing. There are so many weight loss stories on this app that are very inspiring.

[@mengl29]

@@JW-1089No, thank you for taking the time to read it, I appreciate it

[@Qwufi]

I like the big guys honesty. I want to help him.

[@hearts4av]

i love how civil this is

[@sweetncool]

Lauren is definitely going to be an almond mom. She seems like her size is her identity

[@FlowersAnimations]

REAL

[@jaeminok8544]

the whole discussion was about size so of course shes gonna talk about it

[@sweetncool]

@@jaeminok8544 There's a different between you so happening to be something and acknowledging it and your identity being based around that thing. She seems more of the latter. Thats my point

[@jaeminok8544]

@@sweetncool what

[@jessiet6534]

Yup she's the type to shame her daughter for eating a piece of chocolate which then lead's to eating disorder. Some skinny parents do this because they do not want their children to go through bullying so I get it.

[@lovedlavender3266]

I'd love it if Jubilee made a common ground or spectrum videos about bullying, such as people who were bullied and even former bullies who stopped bullying.

[@justhumanrampai4882]

Ohh, I’d watch this. I’d like to hear some of the thought processes

[@lainaaa9075]

YESSSSSA

[@shackles5850]

yes

[@sowhat1674]

Usually, bullies are not aware that they are bullies.

[@user-ss4ek3zo4d]

yeah, but how would you define that, because most bullies were bullied at home or by other people, most of the so-called victims of bullies have been bullies themselves, I feel like everyone on earth has been both a bully and the victim of a bully at some point

[@tonymaximilian3551]

I noticed that obese people tend to not try to lose weight if their doctor has said they dont have any major risks at the moment. But what they dont realize is that those things take time. They might be "healthy" from a scientific pov, but it will 100% catch up to them if they keep living that same lifestyle. Bad habits inevitably lead to bad outcomes, not matter how long it takes.

[@niqua19ful]

I'm a smaller women , and I can eat healthy and I can also eat whatever I want and maintain an acceptable weight. So every one bodies are completely different.

[@nae2115]

this was such an interesting conversation as someone who is considered skinny and is trying so hard to gain weight.

[@silk132]

yuuuup. with you

[@justinsime3786]

Same here

[@fatib3200]

Sure but there’s a certain point where you don’t wanna gain anymore

[@julsskye]

me too! i wish there was someone with that perspective in the video

[@ohhhbirdy5975]

not trying hard enough

[@kaptainmuffins2712]

Should've got a bodybuilder in this

[@user-dk1px4gi2v]

I think they should put people in here that no matter how much they eat they can’t gain weight

[@shomplit9970]

@@user-dk1px4gi2v they dont exist. unless they have a severe digestive issue

[@RedWolvesF22A]

@@user-dk1px4gi2vThose people don’t exist. With proper exercise and nutrition, you can gin weight unless you have a disorder in which case this discussion wouldn’t really apply to you.

[@AdmCornFlake]

@@user-dk1px4gi2v The vast majority of people who claim no matter how much they eat, they can't gain weight, it's because they're misjudging how much "a lot of food" is. The point is they're eating as much or beyond what makes them feel full, but they're still not objectively consuming very many calories. I'm a person who cannot put on weight exactly after 165lbs, it feels impossible for me. But it's because I simply cannot eat that much consistently. Even though I can shovel myself full, proper calorie tracking reveals I under-eat most days on a regular basis, so those binge days don't have an impact. Having the liberty to eat what you want off impulse, whenever you want, however much you want really gives a false illusion and does not reflect the true reality of how much they're consuming in a net total of the week.

[@yourdad2723]

@@shomplit9970bro they obviously exist. I eat so much and cant gain nothing

[@alyssa9472]

My jaw dropped at people questioning the reality of food deserts…I understand when people just haven’t learned about or experienced them before but that doesn’t mean they aren’t real

[@Tamie2134]

Their mind immediately went to rural areas but urban areas are typically food desserts I believe. There will be so many fast food and corner stores within walking distance of their homes but no grocery stores.

[@StevenGregoryJayy]

Shout out to Dominick. He’s a solid dude 💪🏾 💯

[@cloudyns]

Lauren was embarrassing to be honest. "Skinny people don't eat junk food". She also was implying that only skinny people can wear bikinis and provocative outfits but that bigger people shouldn't. She seemed very clueless.

[@whalium889]

I am hoping she learned a lot from being on this episode of middle ground because it seemed like there was a lot she didn’t know.

[@kiriavatar123]

She was def trying to be combative when everyone else seemed to be having a really empathetic back and forth

[@Kingofthenet2]

@@whalium889so true

[@elizabethrhiannon2924]

When Madeline said she was the average weight of a woman in the U.S. and Lauren shook her head aggressively… she definitely seemed fatphobic. I say that as a skinny girl. She definitely wanted to be condescending and rude to them

[@sugarfish223]

@@elizabethrhiannon2924 IOW, she very badly wanted to "Show Her Concern"(TM). Funny how such "concerned" people just can't quite get to the point of faking empathy long enough to be convincing.

[@kaitie4200]

As someone who has been both severely underweight AND overweight, the way I was treated while overweight was so much worse. Sure, I was made fun of while I was too thin - but doctors believed me, strangers were kinder to me, the world accomodated me.

[@Sarah-xq4cf]

OMG THIS! I was overweight and nobody ever batted an eye to me, never got compliments, etc. Lost 30 lbs due to depression and there were so many compliments but I was in such a worse mindset. I've gained back around 14lbs and I've been so happy even though the compliments went away. It's crazy how our weight (even just a minimal amount in change) can make people view us differently in seconds.

[@chainsaw_king0476]

Actually I agree with this overweight people do have it worse when It comes to bullying but it comes to compliments I think it's because people overlook how harmful it is to be under weight. As they aren't as noticeable at a glance as clothes often times hide it

[@DrArthurCGarp]

Bingo! I grew up very overweight, I don’t think I ever hit clinical obesity but there was no mistaking how big I was. When I finally lost weight the treatment I received from others made me want to cry and so I kept going until I was nearly underweight. When I say I went from getting zero attention (dating wise) to being hit on I mean it. When “nobody” cares about you and then you suddenly have people telling you how amazing you look and should feel it does something to you psychologically and physically

[@ronny-yj8oc]

True, but being underweight is also a HUGE struggle that so many people are overlooking and feel free to comment and judge on easily since "you're skinny".

[@Blakoss]

It’s pretty privilege. People are subconsciously nicer to better looking people. It’s got nothing to do with how healthy you are just how sexually attractive you look. It’s pretty messed up but it’s life

[@destinyani]

The whole weight issue is not cut and dry… therefore, no need to be rude to anyone. Calories in/out is definitely not always the case either.

[@ijusthavetosay3751]

did Lauren just say SHAME is a motivator💀omg she needs a reality check

[@crizzy4614]

It's true.

[@flower5185]

You've never felt shame and then were motivated to make changes to your life? Shame comes from within too, it's not just from other people.

[@mochiballsxo]

if you dont shame an overweight person and tell them their perfect how they are, they wont try to change and get healthier. SHAME IS IMPORTANT.

[@adriaanoosthuizen7139]

She's 100% correct

[@16ilovevampires]

Topic idea: Parents of multiple children vs. People who are childfree by choice Some prompt suggestions: I've been judged for my choices My moral or religious beliefs have contributed to my decision I feel represented in social media I sometimes envy the other side

[@meyass4163]

this is the most interesting suggestion ive seen @jubilee 👈👈

[@RachelDee]

Additional prompt: my financial habits and goals contributed to my choice

[@dinkyboss]

This! I have a feeling they’ll make that video soon because it’s very topical

[@vl0731]

Yes!

[@savannahrichardson254]

Yesss

[@LeonB1]

Can we appreciate dominick by being so honest

[@doctorposting]

everyone praising dom cause he was the only normal one in a group full of fools😂

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

There were other non-fools here, ​@@doctorposting. Actually, only Madeline, Cambria, and Lauren were bad.

[@doctorposting]

@@marlonmoncrieffe0728Lauren was the only one with any logic

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

Lauren was uncharitable but yeah, smarter than Cambria, at least, @@doctorposting .

[@choclte_vbes6979]

@@doctorposting disingenuous take

[@ellasoriginalchannel9713]

Dominick is amazing. Huge respect.