Men's Rights Activists vs Feminists | Middle Ground

[@jubilee]

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[@qqqalo]

cringe

[@caiden5855]

No

[@terrorists-are-among-us]

Just sue Jubilee and get rich FAST 😂

[@Bobbobbity-e5g]

ur mom

[@SEELAYTRAY777]

terrible host.....safety is not not same as sexism host should have read definition

[@boredhuman1855]

At this point I just watch these to upset myself 💀🥲

[@stracyb7545]

I swear

[@GigiMurakami]

@@boredhuman1855 literally 😅

[@raulrosado7916]

Deadass

[@EvSqPr]

lmfao

[@armandoceballos6533]

Real

[@anonymousn5292]

Jubilee, please stop finding the fringiest, wackiest, weirdest representatives when you know damn well they don't represent their movement's perspectives. It completely ruins the purpose of the show

[@logangodofcandy]

Feminists all want special treatment and extra privileges without any responsibility. Men's rights activists all want laws to stop specifically targeting men and marriage/ divorce laws to not take money, property, and children away from father. It's all pretty simple

[@kcraulston]

It's on purpose...

[@j.ceasar]

Ariel 100% contributed more positively to the MRA movement than most MRAs have ever done.

[@MAJ4K]

I feel like they're based in California

[@AbdullahKhan-qg1fp]

The joke is unfortunately on us for assuming the purpose of the show is to actually see fair representation of each side to reach a reasonable middle ground. The purpose of the show is to generate clicks by rage baiting viewers into consuming their garbage content.

[@mustekalapuu1746]

An idea for middle ground: Jubilee employees vs. Jubilee critics Possible claims: "Jubilee is a drama channel" "Jubilee encourages empathy" "We should always listen to both sides" "Everything should be up for debate"

[@valexizhexa1786]

Bro just spawned the most controversial of ideas

[@dg20038]

They gotta invite aba & preach for this one

[@waelamri-qe6cd]

this!!!!!!

[@JamesLettetman]

Jubilee vs Aba and peeach

[@len-1768]

Do it! I usually see leftists criticize Jubilee for having "oppressed folks and their oppressors" come together for dialogue, and humbling them would be a great idea.

[@avyg8257]

I hate when people say "well I've had this happen" your experience (while completely valid) IS NOT A STATISTIC

[@ARajantara777]

*Me:* Sees title *Also me:* Sigh.. opens the comment section

[@capcaptainmycaptain4771]

Me: Sigh... *Unzips pants*

[@Fogbound-q8n]

Litteraly said about every episode in middle ground lol

[@machellovelivelife658]

Same. The comment section determines if I waste my time watching. Jubilee is a bait & switch platform. Coming out of 2020 there was a growing appetite for civil "across the aisle" conversations. Jubilee stepped in to respond to that demand (the bait), but just gave us uncontrolled unrepresentative shouting matches (the switch). It's really frustrating. There's no way they are not reading the comment section and seeing the change we are requesting.

[@4rtivist]

+ *sigh* Sees Pearl… then I opened comments 😂

[@Respect2theFallen]

Really tho. 80% of these are garbage. Idk why I watch them just to watch asshats argue the same talking points,talk over eachother, yell at eachother, and get nowhere because they are set in their ways and not open to anything else.

[@zachmurray183]

Anyone saying men only want to see their children to spite their ex, is a literal lunatic

[@logangodofcandy]

And most feminists believe that crap

[@garynouban6453]

And feminists wonder why most people disagree with them

[@dudeorduuude5211]

That woman had terrible points.

[@JustChillin-el9wt]

They're projecting why they don't want the kids to see the dad.💯

[@savannahsingleton3359]

The custody segment was so bad all around. Terrible points from both sides. Immediately giving both parents 50/50 is a horrible idea and so is insinuating that men don't actually love their children. Where's the nuance? Edit for the people replying: automatic 50/50 is a bad idea because not all parents deserve or want that. It should be a case by case basis based on the material facts of each situation and not a given that you get custody regardless of your capability to care for your children. I also agree with the people who have replied that men statistically don't care as much. I have seen the divorce stats and am aware that most men who give up custody do it of their own accord. I was merely suggesting that it's a bad idea to use that as precedent to be uncharitable to all men, and that I do not think she was particularly rhetorically affective or concise in getting her point across. If you didn't already know what she was talking about you would assume she was just hating on men.

[@osceli9682]

I wanna see single dads vs single moms

[@cypher_22]

What would they argue about 😭 not everything is men Vs Women

[@fierybl4de400]

@@cypher_22 people will argue over nothing

[@funman4tw1]

​@@cypher_22still waiting for society to even acknowledge single fathers exist. Feminists refuse to acknowledge it. It's only ever phrased as single mothers. I changed my child on the floor or sink because there was never a changing table in a men's room. Welfare. I made too much. Child support. Nope, signed over her rights. So please.

[@lukaslipovec4012]

Interesting idea . We all know both are facing different issues

[@qtthennaaaa]

or married vs single parents

[@snapsbyskyy]

"AND WHO SET THAT SYSTEM UP" is all I can think about watching these, clocked everybody

[@Eseerrowez]

Not men. Thats a utterly low IQ argument to make. 1% of the population in power has set this up and able to abuse everyone. Both men and women are in power as its not a patriarchy which is also another complete and utter lie. None of them have a clue what a patriarchy is. Everyone suffers under it and blaming and shaming men for having problems that can change nothing about what the 1% are doing is completely braindead worthless and wrong

[@ElisaSarah]

Yeaaapp.

[@veritusahriman9720]

No men alive today "set that system up". Blaming and faulting people in their twenties for things that have been in place for hundreds of years is complete hogwash, they had nothing to do with it.

[@aliyla1677]

not really, it's not his fault that people the same gender as him set that system up many years ago

[@prz4325]

SAME

[@ΗκαλήΧαμογελαστή]

Jubilee please I need a Europeans VS Americans middle ground

[@Kiwonfu]

What will they talk about

[@ΗκαλήΧαμογελαστή]

@@Kiwonfu Idk probably things like cultural and societal differences or politics/political issues

[@Qllz783]

What are they going to do argue if it’s soccer or football

[@ΗκαλήΧαμογελαστή]

@@Qllz783 Not a bad idea

[@kiidpoh]

@@ΗκαλήΧαμογελαστήlol u don't even know just wanna see some sh*t 😂😂I feel u

[@usafcop57]

This was so strange. The biggest feminist on the panel was sitting with the MRA's.

[@johnhawthorn5393]

You're talking about pearl? Lol she's a renound anti feminist, and we love her for that.

[@gabrielpaez4096]

@@johnhawthorn5393 I think hes talking about the dude with glasses

[@RCortez1986]

@@johnhawthorn5393 did you watch any of this?

[@Deimonos85]

moderator even asked that lol 50:04

[@modera.torrent_]

huh 🤔 Its almost as if, these are just, oh idk, paid actors? Like this shows goal is less about representing society, but about shaping it? hmm 🤔 hmm

[@emilroussis]

Jubilee added an imposter, and thought we didn't notice

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

They also edited so many excellent points out and it was VERY obvious

[@julieannewaller7541]

Well the two male feminists were actually misogynists too

[@mysteryandintrigue]

Lol

[@Ogugua-k1w]

I legit cringed and squinted each time he opened his mouth

[@mysteryandintrigue]

@@Ogugua-k1w 😂

[@jakephillips6761]

“Don’t assume what I’m assuming”😂😂😂

[@angel-gx7zy]

that was such a quick comeback i literally said im gonna start using it 😭😭

[@qian7087]

Are you assuming...? Don’t assume what I’m assuming Don't assume that I'm assuming that you are assuming. This is a yes or no question.

[@justinsteiner999]

Ariel wanted to be on the show so bad, but all the feminist spots were filled 🤣

[@MarcoAce13]

He’s a better MRA than the ones on the show

[@nickbreen287]

@@MarcoAce13 He is just a male assigned at birth because there's nothing else masculine about him.

[@ReelNinja1]

@@MarcoAce13seriously? Can you tell us how? I would argue Thomas was the most reasonable person on the panel. Ariel said he wanted to get rid of gender altogether but when Thomas brought up situations that feminists fought against (specifically against domestic abuse support for men) proving that feminists advocate for gender specifics…Ariel stayed quiet. Why would the person who wants to get rid of gender not support that statement? It’s because he’s pro-feminist and anti-masculinity. How can you advocate for society being genderless, but only call out the faults of one side? That’s not very honest or reasonable is it?

[@jeffersonhassan4558]

​@@ReelNinja1I think what the OP means by that is that he was the only one that at least supported some prompts that supports the feminist side of the debate

[@ReelNinja1]

@@jeffersonhassan4558 I know. I was responding to someone else

[@therealgrimreaper68]

Men’s rights and women’s rights are not conflicting ideas and shouldn’t treated that way. Both sides have valid points.

[@kstephane1444]

Men rights activism is not a thing

[@mwyeh768]

They are as women won’t have the same duty / responsibilities to society

[@mwyeh768]

It’s equality without equal distribution of responsibility

[@yondaimesin]

Modern western Feminists will never feel that way and because of that most MRAs will hate them. We've had egalitarianism as an ideology and humanitarian political points but feminism is still trying to claim both sides when it's obvious it's female superiority in the west.

[@pneumaa]

@@mwyeh768oh brother

[@Maykayla2030]

Ariel is really on the wrong side. He’s 1000% a feminist. He took their side on everything

[@joshday5321]

Bro (or assigned bro at birth) is just a Disney mermaids in the wrong body

[@TheGismono]

Your not wrong, But Feminists think that is equal balance having 5vs3

[@XxzXFearXzxX]

You can be a feminist and a male rights activist at the same time....

[@LUFFYLOVESLOFI]

There's another social branch that looks at men's rights from a feminist-inspired perspective, called Men's Liberation. It drifts away from the Us v Them, & tries to look at men's social issues from the inside, seeing it's a problem that's rooted from the patriarchy as opposed to blaming feminism. It doesn't oppose feminism, more so takes the talk away from women & actually focuses on men & their issues. He seems like one of those guys, though it's not responsible to glue him in with the MRA.

[@Josh-pw7ci]

@@XxzXFearXzxX $5 says ariel is a woman.

[@KDan-x1l]

People getting on Ariel because he’s not extreme and anti woman😂You can be MRA and still want women rights😂

[@JamesBurdon-gu5yu]

False. People are rebuking Ariel, because she cares about abusing men, and does not care about womens rights, nor is an MRA, Jubille took an anti male extremosts that does nothing but endanger women witj pro violence rhetoric.

[@JamesBurdon-gu5yu]

Depriving men of their kids by falsley slating all of tjem as predators has nothing to do with "Womens rights" Try again. 😂😂

[@PhuckedUpPhilosophy]

@@JamesBurdon-gu5yuwhen did he do that ? I didn’t see that in this video.

[@JamesBurdon-gu5yu]

@ From start to finish

[@notOL01]

But why wouldn't he just be a feminist. Feminism includes MRA.

[@katlegosebogodi1374]

It's the constant sighing when Pearl speaks

[@Lord_Submissive]

😓😭😭

[@rturae]

Warranted

[@esaualfaro3447]

But the feminists are not violent btw.

[@CallMeLevels]

She contradicts herself and often rage bates, even though her talking points don't apply to her. "Women go to college and get useless degrees" yet she is a college drop out, has a podcast and often gets funding from her rich parents

[@Saiman9000]

​@@CallMeLevelsBecause those of us that are smart enough to use our critical thinking skills knows she was correct. Women are graduating more from college than men are. The degrees are useless in the sense that they don't do much to make society better. Like technology, math, engineering. Just because she didn't finish college doesn't mean she needed to.

[@thenewnationpodcast]

Is it just me or is Ariel on the wrong side?

[@ghr8184]

Yeah, I'm only 6 minutes in, but everything he said sounds like a Feminist talking point, couched in Feminist-approved language.

[@j.ceasar]

I think he's just really rational in contrast to Pearl and this buff dude.

[@kcsclcjc]

💯

[@anna-sofiek.s.533]

yes, but tbh I'm glad there is someone on the other side to balance out pearl

[@RogueNeighShun]

49:30 he sorta calls himself out.. projecting his own stance onto others... when HEs the "bad actor" shilling on the MRA side.

[@kvtiebug]

“We do not like fresh n fit” “I mean… Pearl does” LMFAOO 😭😭

[@Ndasuunye]

nah after that racist bit myron went down, she started pulling away quick.

[@BlaqAdam]

@@Ndasuunye no she didnt, she wouldnt even denounce nick fuentes and kept having him on

[@itachiovermadara]

And me

[@ammar3094]

@@Ndasuunyewhat racist bit?

[@BM_100]

​@@BlaqAdam Nick Fuentes did nothing wrong

[@jessealmaguer3637]

Ariel is a feminist and im disappointed Jubille count not find 2 female rights activists. Jubille always falls short of equally representing both sides. If you have 2 male feminist then you NEED 2 female male activists.

[@confusedtruffle8555]

I doubt any coherent female MRA’s exist. If pearl was that atrocious just try to imagine what the next person would behave like

[@tonyonaperky2128]

​@confusedtruffle8555 they do

[@malcolmmoore2232]

Ariel was a feminist spy sent to the men’s side😂😂😂

[@Sagefrakrobatik]

As soon as he uttered the word patriarchy...I knew

[@wavzone]

@@Sagefrakrobatik So because he has basic knowledge of the world around him, you disagree...? Makes zero sense. These words aren't just buzzwords, they hold meaning & should be able to be used freely.

[@kristianoickle2722]

​@wavzone *delusional knowledge of the world around him* just look up mass shared delusion on Google.

[@talesofsymphoniavids]

​​@@wavzonepatriarchy is just a feminist fantasy.

[@frostkid08]

​@@wavzone if you hou paid attention you ... Most are his points are against men's rights

[@Melting_because_of_beauty]

Arial is 100% a feminist, no debate

[@kingslayer3365]

You can be both, I think

[@conceptualelegance]

a higher iq feminist )) , borderline

[@denjii9]

i mean obviously but if you cant be a feminist and a mens rights activist at the same time doesnt that just mean that mra is a counter movement to feminism? if thats the case then why is mra centered around women when it should be addressing mens issues?

[@lun4r.h4ze]

I think so too. But he does fight for men’s activism. It’s almost like you can be both and feminism is for equality not just women. Educate yourself. You don’t have to hate women and disagree with the fact that women struggle to also care abt men’s issues.

[@DashNash-z7k]

He’s not. The patriarchy is the reason that MRA claim they’ve been having a hard time in society and the other MRA have refused to acknowledge that.

[@Lananani]

Not only is Ariel a feminist he is the most aggressive feminist on the set 😭😭😭

[@raghavnamasivayam8706]

Well it is itzeke

[@lucylee4366]

Are we mad at that

[@Lananani]

@@lucylee4366 are you?

[@arielvega6344]

​@@lucylee4366 It's unecessary in dialogue. It comes across as tone deaf.

[@lucylee4366]

@@Lananani no

[@esther-l5t6v]

this whole thing is weird because feminism was never the fight for women's rights while diminishing men's rights. it was the movement for men and women's rights

[@bontlelethetsa]

Somewhere along the line someone changed its purpose

[@ouroborosnagyok9306]

@@bontlelethetsa when it became monetized for profits bc rich people its the same story with all things

[@SwaroopUprety]

That one imposter men’s rights activist is cracking me up..he should be on the other side lol

[@frxsita_3]

how is he an imposter? just because he’s not blatantly sexist

[@iDrumGod]

@@frxsita_3you’re the sexist.

[@SwaroopUprety]

@@frxsita_3 i actually agree with him on everything, and he's quite obviously not a men's rights activits like the others..which is why it seems to me like he's an imposter, and was put there to provide that narrative to further the debate... but hey, i could be wrong.

[@geogtv277]

I wouldn't call him an imposter as he made some valid points and some gender level ones I don't have complete agreements with the perspective. However - making the claim of putting himself forward for the panel out of fear of false mens activists was straight up ironic when he himself suggests he should be on the other side.

[@ZombieWerePrechaunPire]

@@frxsita_3 But he is blatantly sexist, just not to women.

[@etienneb.6956]

My IQ dropped by 15 points, thanks again Jubilee

[@vlastimil-furst]

Yeah, let's watch 3 more videos together and then we'll be pretty close to average and more easily able to deal with the everyday nonsense.

[@ElisaSarah]

If my IQ dropped another 15 ontop of 15 then I'd be average.... but yeah.. this is brain rot..

[@lansmgroup6540]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@prozac234]

is that pearl LMFAOOO

[@Reddit.stories.reddit]

Should’ve invited Myron too to have the whole circus in town 😂

[@Wakuppeopletheywanttocontrolus]

W Pearl holding L women accountable

[@peter1135]

I CACKLED!! 😂😂

[@Foxhole-atheist]

I didn’t know she was still alive, cringe incoming

[@darkskinvince4380]

my exact reaction , im crying

[@inkkid376]

Pearl is still trying to appeal to men who wouldn't give her the time of day.

[@cashd4628]

Lie

[@juntus89]

She's still a virgin and that's why she hates women, because they keep taking the men she wants

[@agasthyaupadhyay3341]

Idk y but that sounds mean 👎

[@linger4605]

A sexist comment targeting a woman's looks? From the same side that likes to claim they're so innocent

[@KDan-x1l]

@@linger4605well to be fair women say it, men were thinking it. She isn’t pretty

[@bluey_mum]

Pearl is wearing a short dress, no sleeves with a cut in the chest and the OF lawyer is wearing long sleeve maxi dress and Pearl is saying the way she is dressing is for attention 🤨

[@ericb7776]

The OF model uses plenty of other time to show flesh.

[@BlackFighterz]

They do have different body types. So pearl can get away with revealing more while still seeming more modest

[@timothyofcox2450]

She also says there's nothing wrong with it. Why are you so defensive about it? Who hurt you?

[@ofanichan]

People genuinly believe that having big boobs just means you want attention. It is so ridiculous. Women with big breasts either have to wear baggy clothes or they're attention seeking sl*ts.

[@miojamo3977]

Well if you sell your body online for money you are not going to give that away for free lol... very bad business model.

[@NikkoBenson]

Had to turn this off after hearing them argue that men don't care about their kids. SMH.

[@pheebs818]

What is so damn frustrating to me with these discussions/debates is when people pull from personal experience and implicate entire groups because of it ...this woman in red with long hair did it constantly.

[@homiesmexual_bb]

Not all men, but the number of people who have had their dad abandoned them is staggering

[@kunpunko]

@@pheebs818statistics show other wise.

[@noname-x8y8k]

Exactly, women are more likely to not pay child support. Hot take: if gov assistance didnt exist women wouldn't use their children to milk the system.

[@kh9242]

Fascinating that the feminists think that all traits are a matter of nurture, not nature. Some traits are simply part of who we are as humans.

[@amberrose2424]

As someone who was kept from her dad by her money hungry mom and watched her father go into debt trying to fight to get me back, some of these people's opinions about father's really tick me off.

[@falconhoward4032]

always so dismissive about the mere possibility that men could have issues on a widespread level. They're too clouded in their own bias and victim mentality to realize they're being sexist

[@kenneyp.9456]

Most men take there Ls in private we don’t speak about them publicly or at all

[@michaelturley8222]

@@falconhoward4032 by far the most sexist group of people in society are feminists. If you just replaced everything they said with the word woman instead of men, and flipped it to some statement that could be critical of women, they'd think they were talking to a monster. Their so self-righteous and stuck in their bubble they aren't even aware of how hateful and disgusting their words are.

[@MichealSanders-xb8ns]

Thank you, Amber!

[@callnight1441]

Its not 100% false though. Many men will say "all I want is to start a family and have children" but then will do absolutely nothing to take care of their children and whe asked will say "no, thats womens work"

[@jensbernholm5041]

Saying most men want custody of their children just to stay connected to the mother is absolutely crazy. Fathers that spend most of their time working to provide for their families, do care about their children, you don’t work most of your life away for fun, you do it for your family 9:08

[@gigachud35]

agreed that is the bigotry of feminism on full display

[@GabiBarkins]

all of pearls takes just ugh i immediately roll my eyes. “All the psych majors girls were crazy “ huh?

[@helenb9971]

Took me all of a minute to realise this was actually 5 Feminists Vs 3 MRAs.

[@brendonslife4584]

you can be a feminist and an mra...

[@KingP103]

​@@brendonslife4584 nope.

[@Ludoovik]

I wouldn't consider Pearl a real MRA, a grifter who found a niche and exaggerate stuff to go viral.

[@Ludoovik]

@@KingP103 That's what egalitarianism is. We aren't as popular but I've found people that refer to themselves as egalitarian have pretty nuanced opinions on gender issues. They don't see human rights as a competition and a zero-sum game. Like we can bring up men or women's issues without always having to compare who has it worse.

[@LunarOverdrive]

@@KingP103 Explain to me what's contradictory between being an MRA and a feminist. Because the mens liberation subreddit seems to be a perfect combination of the two.

[@SomeFreeTimeActivities]

Crazy saying dads only want shared custody because it connects them to the woman. What an insane statement. She thinks men aren't capable of loving their own kids. That's pure hatred and she doesn't want to meet in the middle at all.

[@doit2810]

And to think she has "boyfriends", oh boy bless those guys

[@yessum15]

@@SomeFreeTimeActivities She's referring to a Harvard study that came out a few years ago which demonstrated that this is indeed the case in a significant portion of cases.

[@Jayderby2846]

@@SomeFreeTimeActivities what mark was this said at

[@HoneyBadgerRadio]

@@yessum15cite the study.

[@sunny_dance7266]

I think the way she said it is wrong, like all men who want custody have thos reason but this happens there is many tragic cases of men wanting their ex wife and sometimes it end in the woman's death. I hope she said there are cases or some do

[@Waximus420]

The lady who thinks that a dad who provides isn't there with the kids is absolutely delusional.

[@kiwio3o387]

Pearl not going up when the prompt was "Men should go to therapy" just shows she likes to be a contrarian and just wants attention/doesn't care about men in the slightest, by the way.

[@Mandelasmind]

Therapy is not a real solution for most men.

[@connorp3030]

talking therapy has been shown to be ineffective for men (for example it doesn't lower male suicidality)

[@DKREALFEEL]

Therapy doesnt really work that well with men - liberals want everyone to just BE women

[@andracatinca3778]

Can you give me a link to the studies?​@@connorp3030

[@DirewolfMemento]

Men need each other more than anything. Not to be psychoanalysis and put on anti depressants

[@limbotank4309]

Dude! Why is it 5 vs 3? They couldn't even find a 4th mens rights activist.

[@limbotank4309]

I also forgot to mention, This Episode Sucks!

[@jhonhoppins522]

Probably lmao

[@uknow24-m8d]

They needed Andrew Tate to be in there

[@kh9242]

That is how equality works in 2024

[@lcc6149]

The purpose of this video was to mock MRAs and promote feminism, so nothing surprising.

[@ferferfoom6911]

I’m halfway through the video and Ariel has not said anything to promote men’s rights ☠️

[@MadMylesy]

I mean i think its mainly cuz his views arent actually extreme. Hes pro men, anti-stereotype.

[@caseypdx503]

As he said-only because of the overwhelmingly toxic perception and reality of the *online* MRA movement… Also as he said-the original, pre-internet MRA movement is much closer to his views than the others… IMO, he focuses on the very real mental/emotional issues that men face and he did discuss those here

[@IAmZanderStewart]

How can he be pro-make when he doesn’t even think gender is a thing 🤷🏻 make it make sense

[@EmmaAblett]

Gender is a thing in society at present but Ariel is a gender abolitionist so the idea is to work towards a genderless society, any other gender abolitionists feel free to correct me or chime in! ​@@IAmZanderStewart

[@2020_Visi0n]

When he said he sees us all as plants, my thought was the only "plant" here is you 😆

[@sistersbychoicexx]

This whole conversation they acted as if all relationships are men with women…

[@kingacichon8800]

maybe because the conversation is about men vs women?

[@SFXD24]

It blows my mind The guy says I got stabbed and nobody batted an eye. Freaking crazy

[@tonyonaperky2128]

@@SFXD24 yup

[@michaelturley8222]

Which proves his entire point that we don't view men's pain as relevant. And there is a clear, unquestionable preference of women in society. The only people that don't see this are anti-men feminists. Hating or fearing men is a prerequisite for being a feminist.

[@SFXD24]

@@michaelturley8222 👍🏽

[@dons8363]

Absolute clown world we live in mate

[@brahmas1685]

Even worse they actively dismissed it because sexism against mean isn't as bad or "doesn't count" because it's not systemic. They can't even see how hypocritical they are.

[@nickman0421]

9:30 Did she seriously say that the reason men want 50/50 shared custody of their children is because they want to "connect with their ex?" Seriously? Does the notion Dads loving their children not exist in her mind? I'd understand if the father had a substance abuse issue or other kind of problems. In general if a divorce happens, it's only fair the both partners have equal custody of their children unless other circumstances arise.

[@L12452]

She's a single, narcissistic mother. She needs to check herself

[@zining_90]

Yeah, I think she was the only bad apple on that side who had limited thinking when it came to the overall scheme of things.

[@SQUADEMPIRE]

She's is nuuuuuts

[@lch7876]

yes the hyena did🤣🤣🤣

[@grimsworld]

hatred is a core emotion that you can only hide for so long

[@ateitupper]

Whoever put Pearl on this, I hope both sides of your pillow are warm.

[@minaberric4069]

I know bruh I’m lmao at work 😂😂

[@videosruin]

why is that? idk her

[@palmer1290]

​​@@videosruinshe isnt a serious or sincere person. IMO, from everything I know about her, she cultivated an online persona to become an influencer and get clicks. This could be, and was, a productive conversation between sincere people.

[@Yusifmusif]

Why? Was pearl lying or something?

[@henrytep8884]

@@palmer1290they don’t call her miss lonely thing for a reason. I think most of her work is due to her own insecurities and trying to cope by choosing a belief system that allows her to cope. Maybe she thinks she’s ugly and that’s why she doesn’t have a bf or husband, but she comes off extremely grifty or extremely insecure and she isn’t that bright.

[@jessealmaguer3637]

Im noticong ariel is physically distancing himself from the male activist side😂

[@hilarycoyote]

This panel is unbalanced. Severly unbalanced. I'm just 5 minutes in.

[@ferferfoom6911]

It gets worse

[@hilarycoyote]

@ferferfoom6911 My Gods I'm 25min deep. Help me!!! Tell me to stop!

[@conceptualelegance]

and then there is editting ))

[@MAJ4K]

Ppl are saying 3v5... There's only 2.

[@jasonmeade955]

It doesn't get better. Probably because of the patriarchy (which is apparently the whole reason men have any problems at all, if Ariel is to be believed).

[@darko6115]

'Gender isn't real, we are just plants with complicated emotions" Yes... This was truly said in this debated 💀

[@alecsinger3364]

This.

[@NotaNinja]

That's closer to factual reality than what you thinking it is. Biology is complicated.

[@latenabeard3548]

we are actually plants with complicated emotions 🙃

[@DejiiJones_]

@@NotaNinja Get help..and the people who liked it are why society is failing

[@_dashyy]

@@DejiiJones_ most of the way men and women act is social conditioning. there is definitely a biological factor in there too but it is much less significant than most people are led to believe. men and women are very similar and really don't have that many differences at all. ridding society of gender will be nothing but beneficial for everyone but unfortunately that will probably never happen.

[@theorderofz]

Jubilee is slowly losing touch. The panelists have gotten worse and worse as the videos have gone on.

[@Ytaker]

They really should have tried to have more debate and not let it be 6 on 2.

[@keepinitreal1000]

Slowly..they’ve already lost it.

[@123paschal]

500,000 views in one day. I need to lose touch every day if that's the definition.

[@Xeraphos]

They haven't lost touch, they're doing it on purpose to get more engagement. More clicks = more views = more money

[@RandyAgard]

​@Ytaker you nailed it. 6 on 2

[@LusciousBodybuilding]

This channel brings some of the best conversations you can find about politics on KZbin. Anyone who is trigger by a video like this - I think that isn’t a great sign

[@zhuzhu_pet]

I think a lot of people see the many ways in which it can be improved and are upset that no action is being taken. Remember, “best conversations” is completely subjective and what you see as valuable, others see as nonsensical. I personally see no issue with others complaining.

[@SilverSlayer]

This is one, big stereotype. Pushing their personal views as if everyone else views the same way.. Publicizing stereotypes as a battle ground is entertaining but will never be productive. None of these people are changing their opinion off of someone else’s personal truths verses their own.

[@cubbwatch]

Big facts. Personal experience will always be the main driver of someone's personal belief system. Debates like this are just efforts to push those opinions onto others and it doesn't work. I do however feel that when well-informed induvials come on to a public platform and share actual facts to back their proposed solutions, it can be very informative and enlightening if only for awareness sake. I do NOT believe that Jubilee is attempting to simulate the former, this particular episode was definitely curated for abrasive style entertainment more than a proper level of productive discourse.

[@kenich2611]

​@@cubbwatch debates since their inception has never served any other purpose than entertainment. It often polarizes people and it's always more about the performance of intellectualism than establishing mutual understanding as that's how it's structured to be. I find it hilarious when people pretend otherwise and when faced with reality act as if it's news.

[@chaoswitch1974]

​@@kenich2611Do you know what dialectic is?

[@jgee8421]

It’s for the audience always To understand different sides , to their test their logic and your own sides logic

[@Ndasuunye]

the problem is when people on these shows actual give statistical data as evidence, their either ignored or get talked down on. the big pull of posting this is still entertainment. and not a lot of people are into intellectual behaviors, they just wanna yell till they win. i

[@Lilliana_Reads]

doing my homework ❌ watching middle ground ✅

[@sairissreve164]

Please don't wait to the last minute LOL

[@katelynduerr]

literally procrastinating my history reading rn lmao

[@traycehinman]

Do your homework

[@ekkow787]

Same

[@logictified]

I was doing both. Just listening and doing it at the same time. I had to rewind just to rehear points that were being made.

[@Mila808g]

To Pearl, I have a question for you. If everything you say is true, then why are you still single and unmarried?

[@basedretard9003]

Her marital status has nothing to do with the validity of her claims, sure you could say it’s hypocritical, but that’s it.

[@nikkichowdhury7]

This ones pretty obvious. Her face.

[@LBFufuEata]

Because she’s below average and looks. She acknowledges this.

[@efiniGTX]

She can hold beliefs about a cause and not practice them. I understand that it may appear hypocritical, but there are many people who don’t practice what they preach. She can still recognize truths.

[@medea5235]

​@@nikkichowdhury7 That's not true because it's actually her personality, she isn't necessarily ugly.

[@kristopherreavely7245]

Here's my take, if we could look at one another and instead of Competing in our pain and instead relating to each others pain, it would stop 95% of arguments.

[@GingerNinjaaahh]

That is the best comment in this entire comment section. Period.

[@Nellynellz6]

Pearl: “what’s stopping a woman from getting an abortion?” Ariel: “laws” 😂😂😂

[@Iyaf-official]

I mean it's true

[@ammar3094]

Laws yet somehow they having abortions like its plan b

[@origamiswann]

@@Iyaf-officialwhere

[@David-ol6zj]

How? Cloth hangers are available at every department store

[@Nellynellz6]

@@David-ol6zj you’re disgusting

[@Thevoidscape]

9:24 Dude is she nuts? Does she think that men don’t love their kids, and only want 50% to be with the woman? The audacity and entitlement.

[@noname-x8y8k]

She's all about teaching her son about feelings, yet says things like these about men. Basically painting us as deadbeats.

[@BogowSyn]

She's a single mother 304, really not a surprise she's single mother

[@BogowSyn]

She fcked up her life and says how people should live xD

[@TheDieseldiet]

Foreign women are the solution....

[@jovanleon7]

She's illogical and emotional and is a perfect representation of feminism.

[@Aisha-zy3ks]

Pearl : “you might say that you didn’t care about attention but I look at the way you behave and dress and it would indicate otherwise” Jazmen : “then you’re more scantily clad , why ? what are you looking for, attention?” Pearl: “💀💀💀💀”

[@bean6047]

@Aisha-zy3ks I missed this what timestamp? 😭

[@Se7nom]

I've seen the OF lawyer's instragram (would never pay for her OF). She is absolutely wanting attention as well.

[@ariannabadillo1387]

​@@bean6047at like 40:00 😭

[@bean6047]

@ariannabadillo1387 thank you 💀 it's giving me "I hate makeup" from that whatever podcast clip from the chick in full makeup; while the host foams at the mouth in a agreeal, not even realizing she had any on.

[@kimm.6818]

​@Se7nom yeah but she made millions off her attention. Pearl doesnt.....anymore haha

[@gdsoad]

Pearl seems like she hates herself.

[@KDan-x1l]

She said she joined the redpill because she had low self esteem. Like she was driving in a car explaining this! She talked about her friend receiving all the guys attention and they come talk to her AFTER her friends reject them!

[@ceciliae4222]

19:06 "Ive been stabbed" Why did we just ignore that?

[@Blueorange22]

tell me about it...

[@Gym4life1]

Because as they said, nobody cares.

[@mattat7]

That was so funny how no one on either side inquired about that

[@NikhileshSurve]

Thanks for that time stamp. I missed it myself. Shows how much society cares about men's well-being.

[@mariapineda8168]

It was to weird 😂 they always tell us women to choose better he probably chose the wrong one 😮😅

[@lilfrezzy456]

Why is Andrew Tate still being talked about in 2024?

[@thepsychomagus]

The same reason there are morons that still listen to Hasan Piker, Anita Sarkessian or Zoe Quinn. They find their niche group that will listen to them and milk them dry of their cash.

[@mellowat]

fr caught me so off guard

[@chanestefano347]

Cuz he still famous and rich

[@matts5164]

Cause young kids and plenty of adults still listen to him

[@ritz_rr]

Because CONTENT

[@brittneysworldd_]

i’m starting to think Pearl is not actually a man’s rights activist she just hates women lol

[@AnnaKake]

100% and it’s so shameless too 😭

[@OREOMONSTA123]

@@AnnaKake Tbh she is the only one here is speaks any sense. People are clueless

[@A_Anxxa]

Exactly like oh my gosh. Everything points to it.

[@GeorgePoulakis-kf8os]

People who believe gender is taught, are out of touch with reality. Humans are animals. 90% of what humans do are fed through instincts, subconsciously.

[@journeiceodom]

@@OREOMONSTA123😂😂funniest thing I ever heard I lose brain cells listening to her talk she preaches on wht a wife should be but for some reason isn’t one herself

[@robertrose81]

Did that women just say men only want to see their kids to annoy their ex 😂😂😂

[@tonyonaperky2128]

She did

[@peachyarts386]

Unfortunately you’re not deaf… and I wish I was hearing that… what a disgusting excuse of oxygen honestly-

[@caoimhec7697]

That’s why we have to call it toxic feminism.

[@nildaluzrodriguez]

When Pearl doesn't have an argument she attacks the woman's wardrobe and 'behavior'. Jazmin towards Pearl: (40:06) 'and you're more scantily clad...why is that? What are you looking for, attention?' Ooouch!😂

[@August62093]

Exactly

[@katrinadebler5459]

Jazmin slayed with that honestly like pearl is the definition of a hypocrite. she preaches femininity and traditional gender roles but is always in male spaces being masculine and even worse NOT MARRIED lol

[@CallMeLevels]

Because she knows its true, pearls ideology does not match how she lives her life. She believes women aren't respected because they get easy jobs, yet she has no degree and has a podcast (rich parents that have funded her life style). She talks about women lossing value and not deserving a marriage after 25-30, yet she is almost 30. Everything she says puts her in a bad position as a women, this is because her points are more self reflection from a place that is rooted Male centering (in hopes of getting a relationship)

[@stevenator0281]

Jazmin makes the bulk of her money and spends most of her time on the internet without her clothes on. Pearl spends no time and earns no money from taking her clothes off on the internet. If you think that Pearl's outfit is revealing, then you are thirsty beyond belief.

[@vlastimil-furst]

Not to defend Pearl, she likes controversy. But Jazmen wears corset over her dress, to make her curves more visible. Is it deliberate? I can only guess it is. However, Nico and Thomas came to discuss, while out of 5 feminists, only Enitza seemed decent, the rest was a loud mob for the most part.

[@tvz123]

Pearl is absolutely not a legitimate person to bring to a discussion, in my opinion it makes the other men activists look less legitimate...

[@jeffsmith9420]

Yep, she is a social media entrepreneur and little more.

[@ricksanchez1893]

Your being sexist

[@Kodbryson]

how so?

[@daverotes2115]

Her anecdote was insane tho about how therapy is bad cuz most psych majors she knows are crazy 😂

[@kevindavis8421]

Yea she has actual facts. they just start speaking from the heart. Lol.

[@tiagoamarante2259]

I see 1 impostor

[@dave85104]

3v5 lmao

[@aguy9071]

Flower boy is probably the most lost person on the panel

[@Kiwonfu]

I'm a radical feminist, that ariel boy is more of a Liberal feminist than I am

[@kevindon2133]

​@@aguy9071 LMAO FLOWER BOY.

[@MAJ4K]

I have to watch the whole video before I decide but I'm 7min in, bro is sus

[@allyyahweh1261]

"Men only bring up their problems only directly after women bring up theirs so its just dismissive"

[@ryeguy7941]

It only seems that nens problems are brought up when womens problems are brought because womens problems are brought up in a continuous loop 24/7

[@Ziz-xl5tr]

But it is true though. I have see it ngl

[@itsjustmeeeee23]

I can’t forgive Jubilee for reminding me Pearl still exists

[@jonathansurrey8230]

Cry harder, she's not going anywhere 😂 get used to it

[@akritasdigenis4831]

You most definitely look like Ariel😂 a beta with 0 testosterone

[@Nish.05]

​@@jonathansurrey8230 Yeah, she won't go anywhere. She will continue to grift her way to your bank account. Men are their biggest enemies

[@veronicasawyer.0]

@@jonathansurrey8230 woah! I’m sure your loads of fun at parties

[@Cosmicgiant5070]

@@jonathansurrey8230 pearl is not relevant at all. her shits been tanking for awhile.

[@edolls]

pearl is just rage bait tbh

[@Lord_Submissive]

lowkey

[@only_if_20]

it worked because i was mad everytime she spoke

[@MonkePants7]

It seemed she actually had a lot more personal experiences with some of these topics than most people on this list.

[@DevonWayne]

If Pearl is rage bait, you're just emotionally unstable. She never shouted, she didn't lie, and she remained calm and let people speak. If she is rage bait, you're psychotic.

[@sharpie6888]

@@DevonWayne If you don't think she's rage bait, you're delusional

[@Snottyleee]

IMO feminism and men’s rights activism should go together, they’re NOT opposites

[@RaikaKoshiba650]

Both groups contribute to the ruin of society. However we can blame feminism for being the catalyst that made these men’s rights groups stand up

[@جوردن_باريت]

Never. Men are not oppressed under the patriarchy. Feminism centers women only. We can't and will not include males and their so-called issues in our women's rights movement.

[@coconutraspy]

​@@RaikaKoshiba650right "blame"

[@justlavendars]

hmm..it depends tho what rights are we talking about? legislative rights or social conditioning? if its the latter then yes

[@tonyonaperky2128]

Feminism tends to be per what benefits them

[@littytittylitzy1147]

90 minutes of everyone (including host and MRAs) getting gradually more and more annoyed with Pearl

[@SSS-suu]

Am I the only one who js rolls my eyes/sighs/put my face into my hands whenever pearls js opens her mouth? 💀🙏

[@adani_Ilyana]

Omg same

[@ZaniPawzz]

I hear the uncle ruckus theme when I see her

[@zargabaath92]

I can sense feminist woman 1000miles away.

[@astro_st4r]

no you def not the only one

[@clewis12]

Pearl is on point relaxed and all the feminist is so over emotional. Lol

[@TheMazter14]

Jubilee you need to start fact checking both sides. You are making it very obvious where you sit on all of these topics

[@Christorment5]

Exactly!! The woman at 10:29 mark saying “what about all these men that don’t pay child support” 76% of men pay child support, 9% of men pay CS occasionally, while 15% of men don’t. When it over 60% of women that don’t pay child support at all. Easy google search jubilee.

[@Christorment5]

And the woman before that, that said “men only want custody to basically spite the child’s mother is insane 60 out of 100 men that fight for some form of child custody doesn’t receive any at all, jubilee didn’t put that fact at all either.

[@NelidaUtuwatu]

Jubilee, listen to the internet wiseman

[@tomv4]

🤣Fact checking is required only when someone states something demonstrably false. Don't be mad because your side is constantly lying.

[@NelidaUtuwatu]

@tomv4 you only believe that because you swallow every lie the establishment feeds you and continues to perpetuate 😒 that's why everyone hates the media, hates corporations, hates each other, too

[@annakostykina7657]

As a feminist myself, I love Nico in this discussion. He is the most open minded traditional person I’ve seen. I don’t see an issue with traditional values if both men and women feel comfortable about it. He feels comfortable this way but he is really empathetic towards the other side too. If all traditional folks were like him, the “traditional” would not be such a problem as it is today.

[@ImSaberScape]

Exactly what I was thinking as well.

[@tonyonaperky2128]

Problem is is that women want traditional men and not wanna be traditional themselves.

[@Aliballer]

Who said it was a problem

[@linger4605]

Why are you expect traditional people to change? Isn't that a oxymoron? Lol

[@peachyarts386]

Exactly like he is honestly the only one who didn’t make me wanna rip my eyes out…

[@TravelingwithValeman77]

The question about been getting custody of the children, women get custody of the children 80% of the time in Canada. (I am Canadian). I don't see the numbers too different in the USA. The woman who said it's 50/50 is disillusioned.

[@ElVerdaderoAbejorro]

These women live in their heads. That’s also where all the suppose oppression against them is as in the real world neither society nor the government oppresses them.

[@ItsJennNotJenny]

We have to look at why though

[@KDan-x1l]

@@ItsJennNotJennyright?! It’s definition not because women are the primary care takers of children🤷🏽‍♀️

[@alexahernandez7470]

pearl is human version of rage bait

[@aaronaravind6403]

When facts seem like a rage bait, I see a hormonal human with an illogical brain!

[@juntus89]

She's just ignorant that's all. Try to forgive her

[@michaelplauche9901]

@@juntus89she’s hot though, so I listen to

[@moomoothecow3091]

@@juntus89 why should I forgive a grown woman for being so proudly ignorant?

[@coribeth138]

@@juntus89shes willfully ignorant. theres a difference.

[@krystallinum]

“We’re just plants with complicated emotions.” Damn I didn’t know I produced chlorophyll.

[@deannacobb5376]

blood* same difference...

[@sarahgreim7072]

it’s an analogy

[@coolkidrich777]

You do absorb sunlight to produce vitamins.

[@namastehindustan9879]

​@@sarahgreim7072it is wrong

[@namastehindustan9879]

​@@deannacobb5376not same

[@TheeStevieAura]

40:07 - she ate her up lmaoooo “you’re more scantily clad so what’re you looking for attention?” Definitions of scantily clad. adjective. inadequately clothed. synonyms: half-clothed, underclothed. unclothed.

[@mariedimi973]

I was looking for this comment … I was like « oh snap » 🫰 she didn’t let that slide

[@luxolontamo4440]

She's not underdressed in anyway. Jazzmen just didn't want to be embarrassed alone

[@lovexeden1207]

Ms OF got mad so tried to downplay the lady that called her out 😂 Personal attacks immediately show how smbdy truly feels

[@juntus89]

​@@lovexeden1207she put plain "Pearl" in her place without hesitation. She's a queen for that

[@Story-b4h]

I'm so confused tho. She wasn't dressing scantily....

[@日本語ウェンディゴ]

How can you argue this much over rights. Males deserve basic rights, Females deserve basic rights, none should have priority over or be more victimized than another. Coming from a Republican.

[@MoBahar687]

This is an American problem

[@nugget3110]

if you actually watched the video, they weren’t debating over rights they were debating about real life topics covering men and women’s experiences and stating their viewpoints of each sides experience.

[@mekareactsandreviews3026]

CORRECTION: REDPILL IS NOT MRA

[@dr.hiccup573]

YES! Say it louder for the people in the back. The forced association of Redpill with MRA has brought down the MRA movement. I’m so big on males rights but 99% of redpill people are in it for the wrong reasons with the wrong mindsets.

[@veritusahriman9720]

Precisely, the Andrew Tate maniacs and MRA are two entirely different things.

[@stevenrogers2684]

Why is the long haired guy in the blue even on the men’s rights activists side? He’s basically sided with the feminists on every topic.

[@spidybat7658]

You can be for both men's rights and women's rights

[@stevenrogers2684]

@@spidybat7658 yet he don’t seem to be much for men’s rights

[@spidybat7658]

@@stevenrogers2684 can you explain futher

[@androphile]

@@spidybat7658 Dude, Ariel literally said "men have no rights to fight for". How can you call yourself a mens RIGHTS activist and believe that to be true. (Hint its not)

[@MaryamJibril-mo7bd]

​@@androphilewhat rights do men have to fight for? It just seems like you guys are fighting gender expectations

[@volkswizard5897]

We Need conservative Mexicans vs Liberal Mexicans. Conservative Hispanics & Latinos vs Liberal Hispanic & Latinos.

[@Tequilacargadito]

I’m Mexican, that’s my nationality; born and raised in Guadalajara, and I got the feeling that you’re talking about the CHICANO community, which is not the same as the MEXICAN community. Being Mexican is not a race, it’s a nationality, and chicanos are AMERICANS who are the sons and daughters of MEXICAN immigrants. Unless you want a debate in Spanish, (or less commonly in maya or Nahua), I think what you mean is that you’re curious to watch a conservative vs liberal chicano debate. Mexicans and chicanos are not the same, it’s like saying that Mexicans are Spaniards or that Spaniards are Romans or that the Romans are Etruscans, or that the Etruscans are Hellenic peoples.

[@Wakuppeopletheywanttocontrolus]

@@Tequilacargadito thank you too many people think Mexican is one but it’s not lol

[@ramonserna8089]

I volunteer 🙋

[@volkswizard5897]

@Tequilacargadito cool 👍🏾 how about Conservative Mexicans vs Liberal Mexicans. Conservative Latinos & Hispanics vs Liberal Latinos & Hispanics. And Conservative Chicanos vs Liberal Chicanos.

[@logangodofcandy]

Race doesn't exist. Ethnicity does exist. There are multiple Mexican ethnicities, and yes, they are part of Mexico, because that's who those Mexicans are interacting with in those communities

[@CurtisHomeyer-uw8oe]

at 9:10 she really said that men have the audacity to go out and provide for the wife and kids (family) and then actually want to be a part of said family. but why should he be a part of a family he doesn't know, since he has been away providing the means for that family to live properly and be a family. when she used that logic as an argument, and no one batted an eye i know the way society looked at men and our rights was way past gone. smh

[@mirandawood2361]

Pearl being "pro-life" but then basically saying that women should get abortions instead of being a single mother is..... a wild perspective

[@cloud4011]

She never said they should. She said women have access to it and if they want to use it they can since… they have access

[@desirea33briana]

Miranda wood don’t listen well she never said that

[@TheGreyPillPodcast]

😂 cus she's a hypocrite. Clearly for the CLOUT n GRIFT

[@cloud4011]

@@TheGreyPillPodcast where did she say they should get abortions? Drop the time stamp.

[@mirandawood2361]

@@cloud4011 she talked a lot about how single mothers are a bad thing and how it's the woman's fault for being a single mother, then going on to say that they could've just gotten an abortion. Yet she claims to be pro-life, and pro-lifers are actively trying to take those rights away

[@ryankoch38]

The dismissal of the custody argument was wild.. I have an immediate relative who recently had a child and unfortunately the mother is mentally ill. The lawyers are telling him that it's not even worth fighting for full custody, and 50/50 is off the table too because "a baby is too reliant on the mother." They said he can have 2 hr supervised visits per week if he pays $700/month in child support. The whole situation is driving him to depression and all he wants is to see his kid, but I'm sure everyone will tell him how bad of a father he is for being "absent"

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

Is very bad

[@hitandruncommentor]

Pretty common story honestly.

[@RachelGerrard]

You think mentally ill mothers deserve to lose their children? He got her pregnant, perhaps he should try supporting her?

[@SacredTruthing]

​@@RachelGerrardAre you a Tard? If she is Mentally Ill...OF COURSE SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE THE KID...wtf is wrong with you?

[@thebiasedkpoper]

So just give up cause the lawyer said not worth it? 🤷‍♀️ Hire a better lawyer that cares.... They're a lot of lawyers who just want easy money.

[@godmode77]

wtf is Ariel doing in between the men's rights activists? with one look you can see he doesn't belong there, and than he starts speaking...

[@michael43567]

Not a masculine bone in his body

[@michaelturley8222]

It's like he thinks the fact he thinks men have some issues makes him a MRA.

[@rtaijahyches8834]

Watch towards the end

[@fluffyakara]

Saying you don’t think he can support men’s rights because of his looks is why no one takes mra seriously

[@limofootball]

​@@fluffyakaraHe's a fraud😂😂😂

[@BrainRotVideosAF]

14:30 What does that even mean “masculinity isn’t a real concept.” A concept is an idea. Masculinity is a term that defines traits manifested by people, and is the direct inverse of Femininity. That isn’t a topic that should trigger anyone, it’s just objective reality that we have those terms to describe certain qualities.

[@Sircleanfpv]

True, but I think they argued more about being forced to be masculine or feminine based on your sex

[@remone2013]

Lmao no issue with men getting custody?! Took me 10 years to get my son. These idiots are clueless.

[@soundsaboutright---]

Most of the time men get custody when they go for it.

[@notdeus3834]

Yeesh, dude, sorry you had to deal with that. I wish you happier days

[@soundsaboutright---]

@remone2013 that sucks. The data is still pretty clear on what happens in family court. Even your situation is consistent with the data: when men go for custody they get it more often than not.

[@Bizzybanks24]

@@soundsaboutright--- after 10 years lol

[@keymaster430]

Yeah, that one complaining about men wanting their children only after the mother files for divorce irked me. She says, "Where were you when I was raising them the first 10 years of their lives?" Most men's answer: "Well, I was at work, providing for them, because someone had to."

[@job0wnage]

It's a shame that because of the false dichotomy posed in most of the prompts, both sides feel the need to convince each other through statistics or other examples that their sides life on average is harder or more unfair in some particular way and that it is a zero-sum game. This narrative makes it difficult to acknowledge each others suffering, problems and obstacles which is an indispensable aspect of the process of healing and ultimately working towards solutions.

[@claff4573]

Feminists don't need to convince the panel that women were oppressed it's history.

[@picklesensei]

Exactly, the prompt "It's important for women to be mothers" should be changed with "its important for people to be parents "

[@christianbuskirk1471]

Yes, this is an issue that all debate type content can fall into. Pay attention closely to the tone, order, and word choice of each prompt to get a grasp the moderator's opinion. It may not be perceptible to them but we as the audience can tell who they favor.

[@baronn9809]

Womens suffering is acknowledged already

[@baronn9809]

​@@claff4573So were men your point?

[@Deanna-o2b]

“Human shaped flowers”.. my brain immediately ignored everything said after this. I can’t help it.

[@SemajNewton]

😂😂

[@ChiagozieOkwor-wc9qi]

😂😂😂same

[@mayas4m]

sounds like a you problem

[@onebighoffy]

This is why i dont trust vegans. Taking plant based to a whole other level...

[@JSmithy177]

Fax

[@clararaper5727]

Pearl saying “the psych majors in college were crazy” is hilarious 🤣🤣 like babes, you don’t just become a therapist after getting your bachelors 🤣🤣

[@rachhlock]

the fact jubilee invites such key, problematic characters discredits the whole discussion they claim to have and its disappointing

[@JakeMyerz]

Does it though? They’re part of the community they’re in

[@mwyeh768]

Be quite

[@logangodofcandy]

Feminists are super problematic, but it's important to hear their sex based communist arguments.

[@msnewsenior]

@@JakeMyerzNo they aren’t, they’re the reason no one takes it seriously

[@ericbailey6779]

Are you mad because somebody didn't give you the echo chamber you thought they would?

[@allecgustafson1292]

That dudes a feminist not a male rights activists

[@debrabrower3864]

An activist wants equality. A supremacist wants to dominate. What are you advocating.

[@user-nv9vn8fm1d]

Why can't you be both?

[@Denice.67]

I said this too lol

[@HelenaBlack80]

Real men’s rights activists are feminists bc they understand that the things women are fighting for also help men. The problem is the likes of Pearl and her ilk aren’t advocating for men’s rights they’re just misogynists who use men as a tool to beat women.

[@Paxmax]

Calling him "dude" is pretty gender generous... his testosterone levels are probably lower than Perls.

[@marcuslee7868]

“Courts don’t give you something you’re not asking for”😭😭😭

[@Story-b4h]

i can't with these people

[@jassmine9797]

49:17 "dont assume what I'm assuming " bro that was so funny lmao 😂

[@sergeduhazard4681]

so it s like 5 feminists vs 2 male activists and a clickbait scammy "activist"? huh?

[@marriagecausesdivorce7540]

Ariel is a fraud.

[@thehinduguy2888]

One is Feminist OF/lawyer

[@doit2810]

​@@thehinduguy2888Wait which one?

[@j.ceasar]

@@thehinduguy2888 Even an OF model can humiliate pearl 40:00 lmao.

[@inscription8099]

And the 2 male activists were the sanest ones.

[@VishStarLive]

One is an imposter among Men's Rights Activists.

[@spamacc9754]

No? One of the men's rights activists isn't anti feminist

[@melanesianarrow88]

@@spamacc9754 Yea hes anti masculinity

[@skylarharley]

It's odd one out with middle ground 😂

[@spykeex69]

I'd say 2. Maybe 3 if you count Pearl twice

[@mattyk2676]

Two of them, actually.

[@rakarachmanda2712]

People seems to forget that you can actually accomodate both rights. Lmao.

[@logangodofcandy]

Feminism is advocacy for special privileges without responsibility. At no point can you have them both.

[@mikimarin2002]

​@@logangodofcandy please give me a few details. I would like a larger point of view of your opinion.

[@DayvorMusic]

True, it's called egalitarian, not feminist.

[@milka1150]

@@DayvorMusic Feminism is a reaction to the absence of egalitarianism.

[@claff4573]

Women are the only one's that have been truly oppressed by gender. Way different complaints on the men's side.

[@gamingsped460]

Who put a feminist on the MRA side what is this guy saying bro😂😂

[@wh1skey_tango_foxtr0t82]

Homie says “I’ve been stabbed.” And no one batts an eye…. Proof.

[@GruntMike17]

Ariel can’t be defined as a men’s rights activist when it doesn’t believe men and women are real.

[@TechGrubTV]

The guy literally said during the interview that he relates more to feminist positions but just sympathizes with the MRA cause... In other words... he literally said "I am not an MRA" but they still give him that label in the lower third title... Jubilee WTF

[@vstro_i]

calling someone an “it” is crazy. get a grip dude

[@ART0RIAX]

Dude was 100% a plant. I guess inviting Pearl wasn't enough for Jubilee to think that MRA had a big enough disadvantage lmao.

[@jaymann5180]

@@vstro_i Almost as crazy as calling someone they/them.

[@TheHailstorm77]

ARIEL IS A Beta male. He’s more a feminist. A lot of what he said is not even masculine at all.

[@Stormroot125]

Jubilee’s gotta do a better job at knowing what side each person is on, it was truly annoying for someone to claim MRA just because it looks like the feminist side was full

[@QuanPookie]

Exactly