Conservatives and Progressives Debate Feminism (Extended Version)

Progressive and conservative women hash it out in the VICE office. (Watch a shorter version of this debate here: • Conservatives and Prog... )
What does it mean to identify as a feminist? How has Me Too impacted women around the world? Where does abortion wrap up into the broader idea of feminism? What about LGBTQ and trans rights? Who voted for Hillary Clinton, and who voted for Donald Trump?
Watch our previous roundtable discussion between black conservatives and liberals: • Black Conservatives De...
TIMECODES OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED:
00:00 Intro
0:57 - Who here identifies as a feminist?
1:11 - What does feminism mean to you? Why do you or do you not identify as a feminist?
4:59 - Is the term “feminist” inclusive of all women?
6:43 - If you aren’t a feminist, are you anti-women?
7:19 - Are feminists anti-men?
9:07 - Dissenting opinions on society being “dominated” by men
10:11 - How are we going to create the future we want?
11:13 - Women and the GOP
12:44 - Who here voted for Donald Trump?
16:12 - Hillary Clinton
17:55 - How have Trump voters been treated by progressive women?
19:27 - How does abortion wrap into the idea of feminism?
24:53 - Shaming moms and motherhood
26:43 - “Do you support the Me Too movement?”
27:36 - “Believe all women” debate and Me Too
28:43 - Has work culture changed after Me Too?
29:51 - Trump’s “grab ‘em by the pussy” comments
33:10 - Dating culture after Me Too
34:53 - Consent in relationships
36:14 - Are trans-women helping the women and gender equality movement?
37:59 - Do traditional gender roles have a place in society?
39:48 - Are there ways women are privileged?
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This is the second extended "roundtable" conversation we held in the VICE office, this time focused on women's rights. Watch the shorter version here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/goe7iIOgrcd_e7s You can also watch our previous debate, exploring how black conservatives and black liberals view American politics, right here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnikpICqmLWslcU

[@OG-MONK-NUMBER1]

And when is the debate on men's issues happening?

[@gailsegal6843]

The issue I and numerous other's have with this round table is OBVIOUS! Seriously, you had just ONE person there who voted for the President. Secondly, this group of individuals DOES NOT REPRESENT the US as a whole, it's evident because we have a Conservative President. The only way to resolve any issues is to have a balance and I noticed as soon as you mentioned the President's name "Trump" almost every person there groaned or made a face. This would not be a reliable consensus at all. The only young lady who wasn't biased against normal thinking was the Trump supporter.

[@HybridxProject]

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY DO THIS SAME THING BUT WITH ALL MEN YOU WILL BREAK THE INTERNET

[@MrLM002]

@@OG-MONK-NUMBER1 The question is not when it is happening but who will be in it. If they rush it and fill it with all soyboys then it'll be shit. Get some people on like Dr.Jordan Peterson, Dr.Warren Farrell, etc so that the serious shit doesn't get glossed over.

[@MrLM002]

Good job releasing the full video so quickly. Keep it up.

[@shelley6477]

Adding a few older women would have made this even more interesting

[@ellijk4976]

yesss, more age variety = more view points, not just right and left wing.

[@DOMiNOUKAE]

Older women have a home/mother up bringing. What society needs. Not this hipster bullshit.

[@ivanaraujo6425]

I think Katie Hopkins would be perfect for this. Maybe a little bit of “KATIE HOPKINS DESTROYS FEMINISTS”

[@dragoslavdelavega558]

@@ivanaraujo6425 Yeah Katie Hopkins gonna destroy them.

[@jdconnors6810]

Need some badass hard working country girls in this group 👍👍👍 Now that would be interesting

[@cqrterr721]

“ let’s stop talking and actually do something ” girl you literally agreed to come to a debate i-

[@wuuweeenugh1910]

legit 😂

[@tavieyouncoleman5786]

my EXACT sentiments , i paused and said.... why are you here???

[@jblack525]

They picked the dumbest girl I swear

[@xoxocolleen4598]

That’s what I was thinking

[@jlsobased]

😭😭😭😭😭

[@BaddieLo95]

Trying to compare smoking weed to sexual assault is a wild ass take.

[@PanxiGinseng]

This is the first panel I've seen where no one aggressively dominated the conversation, everyone got equal voice time, and everyone seemed to actually respect each other, what a great mix of people! So much was said, and with such clairvoyance, I was able to really hear it. I was at ease and engaged the whole time. When other panels get heated, it stresses me out. I felt like I learned a lot on this one. Well done! 💙

[@peternathans4543]

I am a democrat and am liberal by nature just like all humans, but what it has turned into the last decade is a real circus. Dont the feminists watching this have any questions or concerns on the obvious question that comes to mind when first tuning in. Is a man really the best women they could find for the job as the host for this feminist discussion?? If they are complaining bout equality in the work place what bout the female imposter hosting this equal unbiased show vice always does a great job of showing both sides thats why they are doing so well in ratings .. girrrrrlllll power !!!!! rahrahrah girls we love u vice

[@jackmidst8304]

I’m gonna have to somewhat disagree. The young woman in the red jacket sitting in the front row talked over people a lot, at times cutting them off and raising her voice to better control the conversation by drowning out other people’s voices, and by extension their opinion.

[@KwiiLLjr]

@@jackmidst8304it’s because she was talking and they cut her off 😂

[@jimbrewer5048]

Tbf it’s also how the series is produced and edited. They take out anything boring or irrelevant so it could see one side dominates but can also be one side just not being good at debate

[@aidasall4815]

respect WHERE ???

[@bellarose8576]

“well obama smoked weed” BRUH HOW ARE SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SMOKING WEED THE SAME THING I-

[@allisonmcdaniel2550]

prove that he actually sexually assaulted someone

[@ldragon8480]

@@mr.z2177 hahahahahahahaha he assumes he has consent that doesn't mean he does. Do you have any idea how many women will freeze up if a man tried to grab them by the crotch and force a kiss onto them? Them freezing in fear is not letting him do anything. Fucking trash human being.

[@castillo_1303]

@@ldragon8480 You tell em!!!!

[@chloescheiber]

That is exactly what I was thinking!

[@kyvibez6195]

LMFAO FR IM EMBARRASSED

[@marisp2588]

I'm glad everyone is wearing a different colour so they can be identified by everyone commenting 😂

[@shark7186]

lol

[@arbaparsa]

Made me spit out my water

[@frostylo4485]

And many hair colors too lol

[@derrickrichards6673]

Lmao

[@aliway7037]

The representation thing is mostly about men who are in charge that know nothing about being a woman and still are in charge of deciding what happens with us. Having females on the board would at least help provide insight on what we need and want. It doesn’t make sense to rule over somebody who you don’t relate to

[@WelcomeToCostcoILoveYou]

31:21 that girl is brain washed by her father. Oh my god comparing smoking an herb to sexual harassment blows my mind

[@dominiquebradley897]

I’ve been LOOKING for this comment she got praise when she made the comment she made about not knowing things pertaining to trans people so she was “listening and learning” YET SHE COMPARED SMOKING A DRUG TO SEXUAL ASSAULT like I wanted to throw up

[@user-dl9lq4ez9x]

Yeah, she’s a bird and a little pick me.

[@jocelynkatz9033]

she only talks from personal expeirence (like with her father or wanting to become a billionaire like trump cuz shes jealous)

[@KFA8piece]

Yes! The whole video I was just mind blown that she couldn’t ever see the forest for the trees or see her own hypocrisy.

[@llovepau]

YESSSS, I'm barely seeing anyone talk about this in the comments. She has such a small mind view on all of these things. Voting for Trump because hes a millionare and she would like to become one too, comparing weed to SA, not comprehending how race can become a factor in politics, and so much more. I have no clue how she wasn't challenged more on her views, they're crazy! It really seems like her political stance was brought up purely by the media and conspiracy theories, especially when she mentioned Beyonce and kept talking about how Hillary tried to "try her" but Donald Trump didn't. @@KFA8piece

[@ZeusZar]

That black business girl with the red hoodie is so fucking brave

[@SheWhoWalksWithLucifer]

"I'm tired of talking about it" yet you were invited TO TALK on a panel.... girl in red, why are you even there if you're tired of talkin. If you're so about the action then why?!

[@af5354]

But also like.... who does she think is doing the action? Girl we been fighting for decades, don't act brand new!

[@nani2155]

If you are about action you can not participate in debates ?

[@ceciliaanthony3219]

@@nani2155 You can be ‘pro action’ but the objective is to talk about it.

[@ceciliaanthony3219]

@Smiles and the Twisted MD I kind of feel sorry for you, it must be difficult for you to discuss your views without pulling out the race card, slandering and name calling, it’s really concerning, I hope that’s not how you talk to people in real life situations. Good luck with future encounters mam.

[@ilytayl0rlautner]

@Smiles and the Twisted MD oh please this is so embarrassing for you 😭 I hope one day you educate yourself on your opinions and your manners and return and delete these comments 😅

[@patricky7132]

The woman in the yellow jacket did right by calling out the clown in black to her right who approaches voting as if it's a silly joke. In fact, every time the woman in black spoke I lost more faith in humanity.

[@shannonharris674]

@Mas Xam feminism: the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

[@alenamary3137]

@@shannonharris674 dw about this dumbass they're just riling up people in a lot of comments unnecessarily.

[@shannonharris674]

@@alenamary3137 I’m not worried just disappointed that people think this way

[@mariaignacio236]

Yea and she stutter a lot

[@user-ww3kv9rd2y]

@@mariaignacio236 stutter is not a bad thing, let’s not do that here

[@K_Ken115]

This was a very good, honest conversation. I'm glad there wasn't a lot of arguing but a lot of fair perspective and open dialogue. Well done ladies

[@ashnatiwari]

This is a wonderful debate, I applaud you women for taking such a respectful approach to discourse and respecting differing opinions. Many of you put me in a positon of agreeing with most of your perspectives, and I really appreciate it. Thank you for showing that we as women can support one another respectfully and support each other's differences and differing opinions.

[@mickymcbryan4814]

The woman in black clothes kept rolling her eyes whenever someone made a better point than her or disproved her statements. Pretty uncool.

[@samantha521]

it was irritating asf 😕

[@alondrachavez6486]

she pissed me off

[@emmavogel23]

She’s the worst

[@kristasierra5308]

I didn’t even notice! When?

[@georgepaulthagoat5311]

@@courtneylee643 a face only a mother can love

[@zhanelechavez765]

“I don’t publicize my votes, actually” girl you coulda just sat there quietly 😂 now we all know you voted for him

[@Aldronex]

People dont say who they voted for, no matter what political side, because of people like you.

[@lauraellen5270]

Haley Tully the other conservatives in this video were doxxed and had to change their names because people who prop up love and acceptance are the first to threaten and hate others.

[@orlandodavidson2321]

Right but she couldnt handle the fact that if she didnt raise her hand it wpuld look like she voted hillary😂

[@blairmartin4891]

@@lauraellen5270 proof?

[@natuhlie]

everyone under this comment who getting mad definitely voted for trump😭

[@elizamilam6562]

I would’ve been much more interested in hearing these Individuals reconvene 4 years later, than the most recent version of this debate. This was a thoughtful discussion where everyone shared and listened. I felt like I came away with away new knowledge and questions for myself. The most recent version had a chaotic and hostile vibe to it. Very divisive instead of trying to foster a conversation.

[@karinannamaria2514]

and this is how we do it. I love Vice debates. The hosts are great, the participants hold strong views but they actually listen to each other and they're willing to understand each other. Every one has good points. And they're from different places. Love it.

[@kaylynno_kae7919]

“Do I regret my decision? I-I’m not gonna divulge in that...” Really sounds like your joke vote for Trump wasn’t a joke vote after all!

[@teresaa9991]

Was looking for this!!!

[@nbucwa6621]

Timestamp please?

[@riMo_-rz6dr]

@@nbucwa6621 16:00

[@briannamccray7947]

It was actually revealed she's an adamant trump supporter, the whole make America great again

[@riMo_-rz6dr]

@@briannamccray7947 I’m not surprised, with all that rambling it seemed she was making it up on the spot, just chatting shi t the whole time 😂

[@ql3790]

It’s been a year can we invite these women back and have the discussion again

[@samanthaross7273]

Agree 100%

[@saharad650]

That would be very interesting

[@saharad650]

@usa girl excuse me? It sounds like you don’t know the definition and meaning of the black lives matter movement the movement is to spread awareness and get justice for police brutality victims and hate crime victims it’s equality not superiority

[@ql3790]

@@saharad650 sis she wants attention that her parents didn’t giver her nobody asked

[@saharad650]

@@ql3790 her username 😭

[@marianneperez6767]

This was an awesome discussion! I enjoyed this throughly!

[@nadjaextraordinary]

I would be really interested to see another one of these now! The world has changed so much in these past three years

[@CamillaLVA]

They have one but it’s pretty terrible loll it’s called “pro and anti feminist debate”, came out 2 months ago I think! But much messier than this one

[@vannahnaera]

“I’m not denying anything. I don’t have that much knowledge of it. So I’m listening, and I’m learning” I feel like if there is one core thing to take from this video it is that one statement because it speaks volumes.

[@gemmadigby2499]

I agree and I also admire those women for that because trans women's rights are often disregarded MASSIVELY in the republican/conservative wave of politics so, as an LGBT woman and supporter, it really hits that they wanted to be informed and learn about the problems so many strong women face daily.

[@brynismyname]

Except she said this and they all continued to silence the trans woman. It’s all very well acknowledging your ignorance if you do nothing to address your structural privilege.

[@ItsToushieBabyy]

I didn’t’t agree with most of what she said, but she’s not stupid and this is why. She is very open to hearing other ideas. Respect

[@drawgam2946]

@Lady Fervor Did you really need to type a book in youtube comments,that makes it ironic you calling others radicalized.

[@mishthabeast5322]

@Lady Fervor All that shit you said was literally to YOURSELF. Seek help.

[@arabellamcclendon8397]

please tell me this girl did not just say that smoking weed and assaulting women are morally equivalent

[@stephanieblack2114]

She sure did

[@elizabethsessions4486]

No she did not. Thats what everyone wants to believe.

[@stephanieblack2114]

@@elizabethsessions4486 she did. She literally said to put them on the same line which pretty much means to judge them equally

[@aleafazio6431]

Yes ma'am

[@tylerkemp3998]

@@elizabethsessions4486 she did she literally said it, she compared the two things implying they are on the same scale.

[@essx9325]

This was the most respectful video I’ve ever seen on these topics😭

[@mavicente]

Bring them back for another discussion ❤

[@avalon444]

Whenever I watch these types of videos I pause it and talk to myself about my opinion for like half an hour 😭

[@venusit3335]

Same😂😂😂

[@minime2174]

Omg I thought I was just being weird haha

[@joycemuringi8536]

Same too😂😂and i thought i was going crazy

[@ised7609]

I thought I was going insane😂, but it is very therapeutic

[@mikewalters1877]

lmaooo

[@arianahdz]

you guys r dragging the girl in the yellow jacket because she called out the girl in black for voting as a “joke”, as she should.

[@kirz10q21]

fr also ur pfp is beautiful stan clairo

[@princessnikki2741]

I think she was just confused bc she actually did say it was a joke but then elaborated and they were fine :/

[@cinnamonspice8657]

if you don't recognize that kind of condescending behavior for what it is then you have obviously never experienced it. the girl in black was not as confident as you can tell by her body language and the few times she stumbled over her words which is why she misspoke. the yellow jacket girl saw that and wanted an opportunity to make fun of her.

[@arianahdz]

@@kirz10q21 omg ty 😁😁

[@arianahdz]

@@cinnamonspice8657 she didn’t make fun of her she pointed out that she had privilege

[@haydensordini9183]

I learned so much listening! Please keep speaking

[@justin.e249]

this is a very good video, it's much better than the most recent one. better managed and with better guests!!!!

[@monicajackson6535]

Red jacket girl has no idea as to what she is talking about! Lord she should have educated herself!

[@amnda22]

amen!!

[@Msladyrae92]

Very painful to watch. I’m embarrassed that she was the representative for black women. I don’t care that she voted for Trump, I care that she’s intellectually lazy.

[@Tayycamille]

I had to keep stopping and coming back to it . She is so ignorant and I’m so embarrassed on her behalf

[@nynyjohnson1]

Totally agree! She doesn’t even sound educated on her choices.

[@prachi6802]

Its just your minds that cant comprehend to wat she is actualy trying to say. Open up your closed single track thinking mind

[@Samanthabrownsingson]

Red jacket girl "I'm not denying anything. I dont have much knowledge on it so I am listening and learning" Man that was so good!!! Its so much better to be silent than ignorant.

[@insite2life]

@@SharonBoo0305 so are you saying that the white woman in purple is also unintelligent? I ask because the black woman in red noted several points that the woman in purple agreed with and elaborated on.

[@beachbro714]

@@SharonBoo0305 She's actually very intelligent in the fact that she thinks for herself.

[@kippesolo8941]

@@SharonBoo0305 she is actually the most intelligent there.

[@beachbro714]

​@@SharonBoo0305 Yes I understand all of their opinions, I just respect the girl in the red jacket even more because she doesn't go along with the media narrative that black=Democrat who's victimized because of white peoples "privilege." I liked the purple hair girls "pro-life" feminism. I don't think anyone can even define what feminism actually is anymore lol

[@aimeelandry3453]

Samantha Brown I agree and disagree... I think people shouldn’t be afraid of speaking their truth because they might be ignorant... they should say what they want to say, and if they’re wrong they’ll learn and next time they’ll be a little bit sharper next time they talk about it... but I also agree that you have no opinions about the topic don’t try to make an opinion then and there

[@AgapeLove878]

Why does vice ALWAYS only have 2 conservatives and 5 liberals.

[@michaelryan3960]

Because they are extremely left wing and want to spread liberal propaganda.

[@sophspice-zl7mn]

this was so productive and good wow especially after the last discussion which was a bit of a mess tbh

[@lexibaby820]

y’all talking about the girl in red but the girl in black just literally said “i voted for him as a joke” come on now.

[@johneq]

They both said some crazy things. I was all types of shook. 🙀

[@no-ku6jp]

at least she recognized that wasn't cool and said she thought it was inappropriate now

[@rainrahman4024]

yeah, i didn't like her at all.

[@ohyeah8224]

I'm glad the independent woman to the left of the woman with purple hair spoke after them who didnt vote for either...I needed someone to explain the situation America was in during that election and how low the candidates were at the time. The others who were against the trump voters were rolling their eyes acting like Hillary was the savior of the universe and I'm glad she put out there that she wasnt.

[@caramelspice7244]

Ppl would love the girl in red jacket exactly as she is if she identified as liberal.🙄

[@borp6912]

This is what our Presidential debates should look like. Get rid of the clapping audiences and the manufactured soundbites.

[@Quizoid]

Borp OMG yes.

[@galbro480261]

i remember hearing 100 decibals of that stuff when trumpe said bush allowed the saudi to leave usa during no fly zone LOL.

[@thomasfleig1184]

And ask real questions

[@steph_knarr]

That would be pretty AWESOME

[@khakis69]

The problem is, as presidential candidates they're not allowed to be open minded. They have to be "on brand" for what their campaign is already about, otherwise they'll lose supporters. Hell, they don't even nod when others are speaking because they can't agree to shit. The way things work is too corrupt for it to be like this sadly.

[@todo870]

This was a really interesting discussion! Happy that everyone was calm and not constantly shouting over each othersin anger like we see with a lot of these types of discussions.

[@sarahchernow4560]

The girl with red hair is the most educated person on this panel, and the trans girl has the most experience, and unfortunately didn’t get to speak enough :/

[@manika4736]

Y'all saw that look Blair (red headscarf) and Deja (yellow jacket) gave each other when girl in black said she voted for Trump as a "joke".

[@iilxlath9164]

Oh it’s from this girls Instagram.

[@purplegurlzx1]

Yessss omg it gave me chills

[@aximmii]

they were looking at eachother like 🤨🤨

[@cheerish5563]

@@johnkarsh the girl in the yellow jacket TikTok is Deja_foxx

[@lottatemi3772]

@@iilxlath9164 what’s the account?!

[@kalensingleton6691]

Red jacket mad annoying, it’s not by the fact that she’s a trump supporter it’s just her whole delivery of her explanations, saying a whole bunch of nothing, I wanna be a millionaire too but girl I-

[@bluelovergirl]

@Ann nobody said anything about Obama.

[@exo-l6926]

@Ann Interesting, thanks for listing examples and links

[@anbucloudstrike]

@Ann good job on the copy pasta

[@laiii5195]

she look like nathan davis jr

[@oj3505]

@@laiii5195 yea yea

[@missm7526]

I appreciate that the host and other women were kind to the heavier brunette and the lady with the long hair in the front row. They seemed to be parroting things they’ve heard and everyone was patient with them and explained their views well.

[@stardavenport6289]

Great panel, kept me interested till the end.

[@kathysavage9342]

“Can we cuss?” the intellectual of the group inquired.

[@ella12626]

I guess cussing makes you dumb? lol maybe she was worried she’d get very passionate about a topic and may cuss.

[@kendallfleming5858]

Personally, I don't think cursing is immediately the sign of a person with low intellect because I feel far more egregious things happen in this world to be overly offended by cussing.

[@ella12626]

- I get that👌

[@marchhoney6329]

- I think it’s ok to get passionate in an argument.

[@ella12626]

Mags Honey I agree as long as they aren’t cussing AT each other then it’s okay yknow

[@colaglase4894]

The girl who voted as a joke didn’t want to listen to anything and let making faces like 😑😑

[@ssunsear7519]

and how the girl in the yellow sweater and the girl with the yellow jacket looked at each other when she said it- like ‘is this lady serious?’

[@maxhill9754]

I feel like she was super nervous the whole time

[@lynnef9330]

I don’t believe she meant what she said about voting for him as a “joke.”Even though she tried to recant that statement, I believe she intentionally voted for Trump. It was right after she said it that she immediately felt condemnation from other ladies, therefore, she blurted out this nonsense of voting for him as a joke. She wasn’t true to her beliefs and seemed more concerned about what the other ladies thought of her. I voted for Trump the 2nd time around and I have no problem admitting it. People pleasers do not belong in these types of conversations..

[@2expressmranderson]

Voting for someone just because theyre a woman is just as stupid.

[@lynnef9330]

@@2expressmranderson I couldn’t agree more. I might vote for a woman someday down the road, but she must be worthy of a vote and must put The People first. Hillary would have been a nightmare of a president, IMO.

[@neverbeforeseenvideos2249]

Sex is observed at birth, not assigned. Theres no guess work or arbitrary assignment taking place.

[@thadreimagined9391]

This was an extraordinary dialogue. It's seldom I listen to something like this and come away feeling really enlightened, but that's what happened here.

[@peternathans4543]

I am a democrat and am liberal by nature just like all humans, but what it has turned into the last decade is a real circus. Dont the feminists watching this have any questions or concerns on the obvious question that comes to mind when first tuning in. Is a man really the best women they could find for the job as the host for this feminist discussion?? If they are complaining bout equality in the work place what bout the female imposter hosting this equal unbiased show vice always does a great job of showing both sides thats why they are doing so well in ratings .. girrrrrlllll power !!!!! rahrahrah girls we love u vice

[@katherinexiaoyu5870]

BRUH WHY NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THE WHITE GIRL SAYING SHE VOTED FOR TRUMP AS A JOKE AND ALL THEM SIDE EYEING HER Edit: I also want to state for ppl on my ass about the specifics of trumps corruptness and whether or not specific things are valid i high-key don’t care you’re taking it up w/ the wrong person i made this comment to make a fun of someone for being dumb

[@Cutiemouse470]

she was sweating like satan in a church

[@ccpho23]

She sounded so nervous when explaining, after they owned her 💀

[@baileefisher3520]

the girl beside her and the one behind her in the hijab were staring at each other like 👀 behind her back while she talked. i cackled. love nonverbal communication between women when someone else is being absolutely wild for no reason.

[@marcjanverdelantar9605]

It wasn’t a joke those Bernie supporters just didn’t say it, but they voted trump out of anger when they felt like the democratic party betrayed them by fcking bernie up multiple times.

[@katherinexiaoyu5870]

@Eli he fucked with the votes and the whole election what do you mean..

[@castaway2850]

this is way off topic but the moderator has GORGEOUS hair

[@92Ranger4]

looks like the standard "cheap-shampoo almost dry but still damp" hairpiece that most black women wear to me.

[@Sam-pg5lt]

she's GORGEOUS

[@stonedNcreepy]

Her hair isn't the only thing about her that's gorgeous

[@ascarmen42]

stonedNcreepy okay, this is getting supper creepy, super fast.

[@phineaslookingforward5007]

TelecomTitan not trying to be a white knight but black women genetically have beautiful hair

[@2011dsc]

What a great panel. I was really surprised

[@marissaplotnikov7311]

This was a wonderful debate

[@plantmom4909]

Did she really say smoking is equal to sexual assault ???? I cannot deal with her

[@chynacriselle]

no she didn't

[@dylanfelder6198]

@@chynacriselle she basically did but ok

[@anacarl5035]

@@chynacriselle she said we had to hold smoking and sexual assault "to the same line"...

[@Msladyrae92]

Yikes 😬

[@prachi6802]

This comment of your shows that u dint understand wat she said. Neither do u knw wat exactly trump said n never read his whole sentence

[@SocialWorkerBae]

The girl in the red jacket is talking about she’s for action and tired of talking but she’s asking what “we’re” going to do. Umm if you’re about action what have YOU done? What are you doing???

[@victoriagoldsmith5039]

Bee M. yeah that was stupid of her to say that

[@Its_Arianaaa]

EXACTLY!!

[@Tayycamille]

She was pissing me TF off

[@netsexec08]

The more she talked the dumber she sounded

[@netsexec08]

And to be clear it wasn't how she spoke, it was the way she threw opinion out as if it were hard fact just like the idiot she voted for

[@robertstanley9633]

In hindsight this was probably one of the most productive conversations VICE has had.

[@wanderer3004]

It's a shame most of the progressives were a bit quiet throughout with the exception of the one in the top left. The conservatives and that libertarian ran their mouth almost the entire time. That one chick in the front right barely said anything at all. People keep talking about it being civil, but it was just the same talking points, over and over and over and over again with a few dominating the whole thing.

[@ofxntse_seko6384]

I bet red hijab and yellow coat legit became friends after this...

[@jasmynnmaleah7553]

Fr lmao

[@LM-oy5yp]

Absolutely

[@myavu4070]

Yupppp

[@laylah150]

they need a podcast

[@nevaeha4048]

But red hijab is also wearing a yellow coat had me confused for a second.

[@zoesmith2944]

why is no one talking about how pretty the girl with the head scarf is, not to mention she is super intelligent

[@user-wx8jk2tf7k]

@@oldworldstarkeo Ooo preach 🙏

[@charlottestokes6051]

follow her instagram @blairimani!! she is super eloquent and informed :)

[@patienceRachel]

Because we are talking about intellect dear. Take your internalised misogyny elsewhere

[@zoesmith2944]

@@patienceRachel that's not internalized misogyny, I just noticed that she was very pretty while they were talking and didn't see anyone say it so I did. I was just trying to give her a complement.

[@zoesmith2944]

@@oldworldstarkeo I was actually very interested by the whole conversation, I was not trying to detract from the conversation just trying to give her a compliment because I thought she was pretty. I did not mean this comment to come off how I'm guessing it did.

[@my_master512]

I had to pause this at its beginning because someone sat there and asked if it's okay to curse they clearly got some anger issues and see a venting session coming LOL

[@deirdremeehan8811]

I gotta say, love the name ‘Dee Nasty’ 😂😂

[@kiarafarias1189]

Girl in red fr said “i always look at every side or else your gonna get eaten alive” BUT THE WHOLE TIME SHE CLOSE MINDED AS HELLLL

[@lunarforte9515]

I actually think she may not be neurotypical. Especially in the beginning she does a lot of stimming behavior. Not saying that justifies her behavior but it could account for some of her interrupting, rocking etc.

[@venuscoleman6064]

@@lunarforte9515 I don’t agree with her views but did we watch the same video ? Because she wasn’t interrupting anybody and was making eye contact with everyone speaking giving them the floor. As for her being a conservative I do think that’s why she was automatically so defensive. I think that she was a poor choice candidate.

[@SR-bb4jg]

Literally 💀💀

[@fruit4evr]

I think she does represent a group of women in America though which is sad

[@stephwishesyouwerehere]

I like the moderator. She obviously was more of a leftist but didn't express bias to the conservative women.

[@nbtino73]

Not a good moderator then. You want them to be completely unbiased.

[@stephwishesyouwerehere]

@@nbtino73 she was completely unbiased. She expressed none of her personal views and let everyone talk, still a pretty good moderator to me.

[@Anastazka00]

Wish You Were Here: U dunno if She was a lefty. But I was looking for a comment like that, She was amazing! Super likeble, beautiful And very professional. She Did exectlly what She was supposed to do And made the ladies feel comfortable And express their views.

[@stephwishesyouwerehere]

@@Anastazka00 I mean I just assume so since Vice is very liberal. But yeah, she was great!

[@Justbrice]

@@nbtino73 how would they be unbiased?

[@scjohnk]

I appreciate that you kept the comments open on this one, unlike on others.

[@scarlettdalacio5300]

Wish I could have been part of this interview!!!

[@mixflip]

I like how the group let's individuals speak without interrupting each other.

[@omarelmasri9939]

They did interrupt each other multiple times Did you watch the full vid?

[@iMcGeeClips]

DogsDreamToo do you know what sarcasm is?

[@iMcGeeClips]

Pomegranate Number 3 I believe it’s called sarcasm buddy

[@omarelmasri9939]

TheRealWallyWest Why are you gæ

[@iMcGeeClips]

Pomegranate Number 3 you are gae

[@abigailgoss8107]

this comment section really sleeping on the girl with red hair and bangs. she was so polite and did such a good job of hearing out both sides and trying to come to a middle ground. i didnt agree with everything she said but i really appreciate her!!

[@fernandoluis53]

Most women are brainwashed, they are afraid of hearing the truth

[@decayingdaylight1293]

Actually she was the typical, fat, ugly and wannabe Ms. Know it all.

[@bopz9559]

It’s funny how people look at her and think “typical crazy SJW” when that’s actually the girl in the middle with the yellow coat

[@misscrabtree8433]

Ownage Zizou was

[@abigailgoss8107]

@@decayingdaylight1293 I don't think she acted like a "know it all" at all actually. She was really sweet and willing to hear out everyone's opinions. Like I said, I didn't necessarily agree with everything she said, but I really appreciated the way she behaved. And also if your only way of gaging people's worth and intelligence is from physical appearance.... than you're absolutely wrong for that. It's fucked up to make fun of people for what they can't control and just judge them on things that don't matter. What really matters is her actions and I was happy with how she handled herself.

[@sylvesteruchia5263]

Opening question "are you allowed to swear ? " Why you bringing that energy ?

[@andrewtaylor2384]

Man this is so so much more of a helpful debate than the one vice put on three years later with the same demographic. Its almost like our brains are rapidly declining and our ability to have a conversation

[@crab2195]

when politics get more radical, so do the conversations surrounding them. both sides have been radicalized which makes it a lot harder to reach common ground.

[@StrawberryFeildsforNever]

Y’all are dogging on the girl in the yellow jacket but can we get a thank you for her calling out the girl that voted “as a joke.”

[@cinnamonspice8657]

she misspoke. her point was that she wasn't an actual trump supporter, she just hated hillary and wanted to vote against her. the girl in the yellow jacket responded in a way that was rude and arrogant. actually voting as a joke would be more like "lol i don't know anything about politics but trump memes are funny so im voting for him." she made it pretty clear that she was a bernie supporter and was actively involved in his campaign which shows that she is informed.

[@anncokafor]

@@cinnamonspice8657 Whether she misspoke or not, we got her intention. She didn't think her vote matter without realizing how many people she could have hurt. She's disgusting and I'm glad she's getting shamed.

[@perfectmsira]

Love her.. protect her at all costs

[@devynroel9820]

Finger snaps to her for calling her out on that ! I was like damn must be nice to be ✨privileged ✨

[@natuhlie]

@@cinnamonspice8657 no she did not misspeak, she said what she said. you’d think if she was such a big fan of bernie, then she’d vote for hillary since he did in fact endorse her. this election was so important, the girl in the yellow responded exactly how she should’ve. was not rude nor ignorant. and if it was then the girl in black shouldve never said it in the first place.

[@liv293]

if purple shirt don't just go ahead and say she voted for trump lmaooo

[@savannahhalm]

There is nothing wrong w voting for trump he has helped the community look at the laws he passed

[@adrianaelaina]

right LMFAOOOOO

[@elensap4529]

@@savannahhalm what laws/policies specifically? i wanna know

[@stevieaskew5508]

Literally 😂

[@savannahhalm]

@Haley Tully and the laws Obama and Biden passed has hurt my community. As far as I’m concerned trump has helped AMERICANS periodt. He didn’t take any rights away from anybody

[@claudium6769]

I like the black woman dressed in red, she seems to be the smartest one and the one that understand what is happening. Also the white woman dressed in blue and the white one with blue hair.

[@rithajay]

This group had a much better flowing conversation than the one from 2 months ago, the pro and anti feminist talk.

[@Noumakara]

So we all agree that the moderator is drop dead geogous

[@infiniteg7852]

She looks goofy

[@ArunaUtd]

For sure but she also looks like a time traveller

[@jasmineali5699]

That's all you took from this video?

[@nicholas8484]

G Zino said who

[@brandonbrown6918]

Dee Nasty. Would love to explore why she gave herself that name😅

[@Xxtraflaminhotcheetoloover]

you should not vote if you are going to take it as a joke. so sad.

[@vegasbabyy4179]

Voting is an illusion

[@strangerinmoscow6858]

She explained that it wasn't a joke, as she said. Ppl make word errors sometimes. I bet u have before

[@Xxtraflaminhotcheetoloover]

@@strangerinmoscow6858 she clearly said she took the vote as a joke?? what is there to explain.

[@strangerinmoscow6858]

Bro. She said it and corrected herself. Furthered what she meant. Get over it

[@Xxtraflaminhotcheetoloover]

@@strangerinmoscow6858 THEN DONT reply to ME?? I don’t CARE if she worded it wrong DONT TAKE VOTING AS A JOKE. YOU are clearly not over it.

[@libbyssubs6938]

Omg 😭 it’s the side eyeing for me on the part wear the girl explaining why she voted for trump. How u finna be like ‘it was a joke’ 💀

[@KhushbooKumari-mi4cv]

This discussion is so much better than the most recent one. The women here are much more articulate and civil.

[@berrytale]

I feel like purple shirt was the only one of the conservatives who seemed open minded about the topics. She voiced her initial opinions and when other people had rebuttals she listened and didnt just roll her eyes and yell over (unlike the all black and red)...

[@sebces2576]

purple hair was chill too

[@ruth078]

@@sebces2576 she wasn't conservative

[@ohyeah8224]

The one to the left of purple haired woman seemed to agree on both sides with certain subjects I liked her too. I think she said shes libertatian she was like the middle man for a good chunk of this conversation which is great! We needed that voice as well

[@ohwellwhateverr]

She was the smartest one out of all the panel.

[@cyrillq861]

I totally agree and she's gorgeous too!

[@alorhamahal]

The girl wearing all black was giving me...ion like poc and “it’s cause I’m Jewish” lady from target vibes😕

[@mariamacham1099]

They face she made at 40:44

[@kyleyakich3800]

Oooooot

[@Splexsychiick]

Oddly specific but accurate

[@DIZZYMANE]

Nailed it

[@emmaheard477]

This is such a hard topic for me being Jewish because on one hand we’re fighting anti-semitism and on the other hand we’re fighting people this girl who has no idea how privileged she is. White privilege is real.

[@yatishreesharma9261]

This was a 1000 times better than the new one

[@Emzorrr]

I really enjoyed this particular debate, more so with how most of the people were just very open to listening and understanding within different view sets. Very interesting and informative from a non American woman. 👍

[@peternathans4543]

I am a democrat and am liberal by nature just like all humans, but what it has turned into the last decade is a real circus. Dont the feminists watching this have any questions or concerns on the obvious question that comes to mind when first tuning in. Is a man really the best women they could find for the job as the host for this feminist discussion?? If they are complaining bout equality in the work place what bout the female imposter hosting this equal unbiased show vice always does a great job of showing both sides thats why they are doing so well in ratings .. girrrrrlllll power !!!!! rahrahrah girls we love u vice

[@wowfail6835]

Ngl, the two I thought were going to be the stereotypical internet feminist were actually very mature (dyed hair women). I guess I just got my prejudices checked.

[@abigailgoss8107]

true

[@shaktra1563]

I guess that’s why the statement goes, “It’s best not to judge a book by it’s cover,” haha

[@devaniehowarth7156]

Oh gosh when she said she was pro-life I was shook lol. But also very happy to hear more women with the same beliefs 🤗

[@godkrishna4336]

No your prejudgment isn’t failing you. I know those colored hair women were smart but there are like a outliner among the actual colored hair girls who act ridiculous. Nearly all the colored hair girls I met were either completely lost or didn’t even know what I was talking about.

[@jre-1337]

Same here.

[@vijetha8480]

the amount of second hand embarrassment i got every time the girl in red spoke

[@supernovaedits14]

Yo istg I had to pause the video every single time before she spoke to prepare myself 😂😂

[@annafisher4383]

she was the only one interrupting and nobody could even understand her

[@lp0504]

@@annafisher4383 I understood her perfectly and maybe she had to be louder so she could finish because any time Trump is mentioned a few of these girls couldn’t keep their panties on without eye rolls, laughing gestures, etc. For being feminist they sure were disrespectful of a black woman’s conservative views and support for her president.

[@annafisher4383]

@@lp0504 yeah the girl in the black was really disrespectful as well. some of the points made by the girl in the red hoodie were valdid. I just thought that everytime someone even mentioned trump she was like so aggressive and inturuptedz

[@vijetha8480]

@@lp0504 personally, i felt like she was inconsistent with her points and did not make much sense.

[@alondramonzon9853]

this one is GOOOOD

[@woulenlambagoldiallo4549]

min 12:43 ...the sis on the far end was like : u did? lol

[@tomseymour1143]

Purple haired lady's views on abortion were so much more nuanced that other pro-lifers. I'm pro-choice, but props to her

[@User-fp8dk]

We are pro life because abortion is murder! Science tells us that

[@ginnundso]

@@User-fp8dk Science tells you the exact opposite, babe.

[@User-fp8dk]

@@ginnundso biology states that life is formed from conception

[@ginnundso]

@@User-fp8dk Biology states that after 12 weeks the embryo is called a fetus. Until then it can not feel pain as the nerve system in the back is only developed after week 12. Also, biology defines a living creature according to this: - Ability to Reproduction (Embryo doesn't have this) - Metabolism - Irritability (Embryo doesn't have this) - Ability to grow - Evolution (Embryo doesn't have this) - Self-regulation (don't know if embryos can do that) So in conclusion: out of 6 features which define a living creature, the embryo only has 3 or 2. Therefore, your statement is false. Where I got to know what defines a living creature? In grammar school in Germany. I have biology since 7 years. And what defines a living creature is what we had first and what we always mentioned every two years again.

[@majesticwolf9816]

@@ginnundso are you serious? So you support people killing their babies? People try so hard to get pregnant and some can’t, and to just throw away a life like that tells how selfish liberals like you are. You’re NOT equal. And there’s no denying in that.

[@Bella-xu1wq]

“I’m not denying anything, I don’t know a lot about this so I’m listening” more people need to do this. Critical thought isn’t valued anymore

[@mnlyt2942]

Yellow coat was trying hard to call them out but I’m actually glad red hood said that

[@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024]

@@mnlyt2942 And there’s not much to understand. Glad she called out. Yellow shirt did well.

[@Repulatee]

Totally agree, Red jacket said that perfectly.

[@elicielcajigas1977]

@Different Pound And that's why you should never debate with radical feminist women on Twitter. They're as much moronic as they would be on other social media outlets.

[@elicielcajigas1977]

@@VvvvvaVvvvvvr In their defense, the gynocentric society in some ways are backing the LGBTQ community. Solely because they feel like they're not the worst people on the planet. They're as much law abiding and influential to society. That's why they favor them over the heterosexual world.

[@kenzidasmack5749]

Notice the women in these videos always arguing among eachother and cuttin eachother off. Now watch the debate with men

[@Lujaini...666]

??😂

[@pallinagialla97]

Great conversations! The questions were asked a bit too quickly... Anyways, there should be more of these comprehensive debates around feminism! And not just these long talks on how men are isolated because of us getting more freedom...

[@bbgxo7967]

The girl with the red hair is so great at expressing her point of view whether those are in agreement or not

[@yespls4184]

Yes, she expresses herself super well. I don't even agree with her viewpoint necessarily since she's a (right) libertarian and I'd consider myself a libertarian socialist (it's different), but she's very intelligent and is extremely well-spoken. She also has great style and is quite pretty

[@mar8700]

@@yespls4184 libertarian socialist is oxymoronic

[@micfail2]

@mar not necessarily. On a large scale that is true, but it is very possible to have a libertarian socialist system when you are dealing with small groups, the authoritarianism only becomes necessary and inherent to socialism once the group in question exceeds a hundred people or so.

[@mar8700]

@@micfail2 exactly, small groups. it is utterly impractical and goes against libertarian basis

[@lucyann1573]

I agree. She was able to articulate her views very well. In fact, I liked how this conversation went. We need more of this because the more it devolves into screaming and anger the more ppl can label women as crazy and irrational. It's better to have allies than enemies.

[@ja-ys4pf]

Shoutout to the girl in purple, I’m not a conservative and I don’t really have many pleasant interactions with conservatives but she actually has a good head on her shoulders and she holds some respectable view points.

[@ohwellwhateverr]

I’m a recovering leftist and I’ve found that she’s pretty representative of a lot of conservatives. They’re so much more levelheaded than liberals.

[@ja-ys4pf]

@@ohwellwhateverr the way she holds herself is not the way a lot of conservatives do. She may hold the similar values but the way she represents herself is way more poised than a good percentage of conservatives that I’ve experienced.

[@ohwellwhateverr]

@@ja-ys4pf I’ve had different experiences. Liberals have a tendency to act like kids and whine, scream, throw tantrums if they don’t get their way. I’ve found conservatives to be more poised and dignified and more receptive to being asked to explain why they believe what they do.

[@ja-ys4pf]

@@ohwellwhateverr let’s be completely honest when it comes to politics all anyone does is complain and whine about who’s values are more justifiable. Conservatives as well as liberals.

[@devondonato4609]

@Amber Leigh Rae conservative /=/ five hundred trumpies

[@andrewkielbasowycz1915]

These debates all lack demographic of seniors.

[@pastelcolour]

I was going to start on my assignment but got so invested I still haven’t typed one word. All I see is people from the left and right being in opposition together. So many agreements and overlap. Let’s work together more ❤

[@turningoff1493]

"Smoking weed is illegal in some places." Sexual assault and harassment is illegal everywhere

[@Trentz2]

And morally too

[@henrymoore3905]

But he didnt sexually assault anyone atcall

[@turningoff1493]

@@henrymoore3905 yes he did. Look it up

[@jamztwink18]

@@turningoff1493 not in the context of him saying “grab her by the pussy”

[@turningoff1493]

@@jamztwink18 he did heaps more than that

[@josephinerees-jones240]

Girl in the red hijab CARRIED this convo

[@Reiner914]

That's not a hijab.

[@andreasskovgaardrasmussen2383]

@@Reiner914 just a scarf pretty much

[@af2954]

@@Reiner914 why is it not?

[@lydiastraszewski2253]

@@af2954 its more of a head scarf or a veil. a hijab is different

[@saarfrancken4518]

@@Reiner914 she literally said ‘as a hijabi’

[@albmarbo]

"Can i curse?" Because this was fucking amazing! Loved this conversation and these amazing women so much. I came directly from the newer video and that was complete dogshit rage bait. Gather these women again please

[@berlinwilliams4702]

This was truly a great discussion. I hope this can be the blueprint for many legislation being made, listen to women

[@alayealleyne2162]

what stood out me is the blonde haired lady is very well spoken on controversial issues and most people are very aggressive with there views. I deadass respect that.

[@armandomedina6405]

The one with the purple or pink sweater?

[@alayealleyne2162]

@@armandomedina6405 purple

[@nicoleholmes2429]

I definitely agree , there’s nothing wrong with disagreeing & she did it respectfully

[@apple2023]

their

[@sakuranovaryan9261]

@Ashish Poudel it hurts your pride bad to actually talk about the problems u face...but you have to do that so there's attention brought to it. So someone who looks like you doesn't have to go thru the same thing

[@elizabethsmith1921]

Smoking weed and sexual assault is two different things. girl you better stop.

[@neilspun3691]

Trump didn't say what you believe he said. You need to check the transcript. He said that when a man is rich and famous that women will let them grab their pussies and that he has. Anybody who has been backstage at a rock concert or in the lobby of a hotel where a professional mens sports team is staying knows that to be true. These women are called "groupies".

[@herfan1689]

I have been on a binge of such panels and this is the first panel where both sides are making intelligent well-reasoned arguments, listening to the other side, conceding respectfully when the truth is obvious instead of just being blind and deaf to the reality. I saw nuance to who people understand as Conservative v Progressive labels. For these panelists, the labels are not static but rather their stand on each issue is specific to that issue and not a monolithic approach. Basically, BRAVO to them!

[@JessicaPearson761]

Definitely much much better than the previous debate that had Pearl and Sydney where there was a lot of eye rolling and unnecessary evil laughter.😅

[@coahomma6794]

Can we just take a moment to applaud the moderator?! Absolutely amazing job at being or at least not showing your bias

[@JetBen555]

its edited

[@mysticstrikeforce5957]

I felt like she didnt even need to be their has these girls are beating her to her questions she wants to ask from the girls.

[@isaacvankooten8850]

i could see it in her face.

[@j0hn_char960]

Lol no

[@Dan-ys8nk]

@@isaacvankooten8850 me too. It's pretty clear where she stands on the issues. Her facial expressions gave it away.

[@SocialWorkerBae]

Red HAIR was the star of this conversation.

[@KamalIsaiahMorales]

STAR! Ok

[@sataca2553]

Aaand yellow coat girl😌

[@carriewood3308]

agreed she was awesome

[@patienceRachel]

She was great. I really liked yellow jacket and orange top aswell.

[@alexismendoza9278]

Anybody got red hair insta or Twitter

[@CharmdeLeon]

Seeking action with a mindset of “I’m tired of talking” is very ignorant to the reality that people have different world views