Judo In Jiu Jitsu Is Taught In Fragments - THIS IS WRONG

[@kingbubbles4509]

It is impossible. Unless it’s being done to me, then it seems to be easy

[@arc0006]

😂

[@gerardmichael8523]

Oh man I felt this comment in my soul 😂😢

[@davidpimentel4400]

❤

[@Bruhne]

Osoto gari is such a phenomenal move once you get it down.

[@arantxaurrutia0]

Apparently Shoei Ono wrote his University Master thesis about Osotogari. LoL

[@Bruhne]

@@arantxaurrutia0 love it!

[@steppecist2928]

Nah man, I've been doing Judo for a while and the counter is so easy to perform if your opponent knows what you're doing you'll get flattened

[@lildragon0]

​@@steppecist2928 All throws have a counter and are easy to counter if you know what they're doing.

[@DankAlchemist]

I agreed

[@Hamsterfishindustries]

The whole beauty of judo is the off balance and the entry. When you do a throw correctly it feels like nothing even happened and people fly. So many people approach it like wrestling and get stiff and try and use muscle and don’t learn proper off balancing, especially in bjj schools. The entry and the off balance is everything

[@lj2859]

Wonderfully said

[@jd8226]

I remember the first time I hit a drop seoi. Exactly like you said, it felt effortless. That was the point Judo got its hooks into me. I’ve loved it ever since

[@arantxaurrutia0]

Serious question: Does Danaher own regular clothes?

[@hafsasheik5662]

😂😂😂

[@doseferatu]

This has been talked about I think on Rogan. He literally always wears a rash guard. Dudes a bjj genius but definitely a weirdo

[@shyfly6560]

Its not weird. If you practice 2 or 3 times a day y where anything else.

[@phillip4307]

He famously does not

[@Macreadysshack]

Bro will not tolerate any rash at all

[@thearts5163]

Exactly. I’ve been shown countless throws but can rarely find the timing and details to actually pull them off. I’ve gotten maybe 5 successful Osotos

[@artichoke00]

Osoto is definitely one of the first throws you ever learn, but one of the last you ever master.

[@tharealchevy]

As a judo guy i only get osoto's when i counter a bad osoto

[@tharealchevy]

I get alot more succes with harai goshi, o goshi, deashi barai, sumi gaeshi, tani otoshi and seo nagi's

[@Bruhne]

@@tharealchevy I got an osoto today from countering a bad one.

[@arantxaurrutia0]

Gripping is crucial. If you can control your opponent's head, and hit it with your forearem/elbow, the success rate increases, or switch into osoto otoshi. I rarely, rarely have hit a clean one, has to be lighting quick (and not reap directly the knee, wich is a dickhead move).

[@MatPete]

That’s why I like Danaher’s instructionals on takedowns because first he teaches the theory of grips, control and movement before passing to specific techniques, that was so enlightening that I ceased to be affraid of trying to fight on feet, even if I couldn’t manage to hit a throw, at least at the begining. The problem is that few people teach and train this way, it seems to make many BJJ practitioners feel lost and think they can never reach any competence in this domain.

[@theunpretentiousvegan8593]

Why learn throws when you can scoot on your rear?

[@zartic4life]

I'll never forget my first perfect sweep my brain just did it without thinking and all I saw was a full grown man side ways in the air. Judo can't be forced otherwise it's almost impossible with probable injury.

[@G17-k6f]

I used to hate being the demonstration dummy 😂

[@artichoke00]

Being the uke is one of the best ways I get reinforcement for nearly every moveset. Learning to breakfall helps a lot with throws, something they should teach more in BJJ.

[@guidomista8448]

​@@artichoke00exactly. Being the Uke means the instructor trusts in your ability too, to not hurt yourself or them. Though, some chokes are pretty miserable to uke for. Especially when you are stuck in a compromising position for a while because the instructor is going over the technique.

[@kenn3250]

@@guidomista8448haha last night we did about 4 guillotine & 2 darce entries. Neck is sore today

[@puffdutchtwo]

I got beat up daily in wrestling by a guy that went onto UFC there was no hope for any of us so I resigned to being a sponge of knowledge and if applied to most ppl it’s a wrap

[@mouthguardcomic]

It's a sign the instructor likes you, you learn via osmosis and that power is passed on to you because you've felt it. Others can only guess.

[@davidminor6039]

Know more than one move, and become fluid.

[@LouisStephans]

I do bjj and judo! I love judo! ❤👍

[@ChrisGautier-zx7hu]

BJJ training and judo training are two very different things. You can t get good at stand up without very specific trading which very different to ground work. Stand up and ground work are very very different skills.

[@TravellerTinker]

Thats why its best to mix them together. Bjj and judo together creates a beast. Judo for throwing and bjj for submitting them

[@JEFFMAN90]

​@@TravellerTinker Exactly

[@LHB33]

Judo dojo. At the end of class you always Randori . Also, if you look at history of the Gracie's and BJJ The people who humbled the Gracies without a doubt were Judo champion's!!! Truth!

[@AgdoSy-uk4lb]

cool format. danahers great

[@thefilmpoets]

This and a Seoi Nage will make you feel like an idiot when you miss em.

[@JMU365]

Context is important fa sho.

[@BovineJoanie]

Dang so good

[@perfectsplit5515]

Each move is a piece of the puzzle. If you do not see the big picture, it is hard to fit the piece in.

[@MontyQueues]

sounds like my experience

[@Tumkatt]

He looks like the guy from Dune

[@Pifagorass]

Takedowns for kids taught in our BJJ only before competition 😅

[@miguelbermudez5426]

I agree. This is why I stopped training BJJ for 4 years to go learn judo. I am going back to BJJ soon and should easily throw my opponents around in tournaments to try to fast track my way to purple and then work on my technique to go become a solid brown belt.

[@lukepowers9472]

Belts don't matter

[@lucianator205]

@@lukepowers9472shhh

[@francisconikotian2326]

nice dud, you will dominate standing

[@dezmo3017]

You know the belt color is not about skill level but your ability to teach. That's why a black belt is called a professor.

[@calmwater2529]

Yeah, rolling, sparring changes everything.

[@ramondpederson9570]

When we did randori in my jujitsu gym it was life and death every time…

[@louisl1616]

Judo should be taught as judo it's the same as bjj your opponents position change you change your own approach. Danaher is spot on

[@elenchus]

this is a problem with how jiujitsu teaches anything in most schools. maybe 4 minutes of teaching a technique (even a jiujitsu technique on the ground), then 5 minutes of drilling, maybe total, maybe per partner, then rolling. Judo has a much better balanced pedagogy with more emphasis on repetition and technical refinement with a healthy dose of randori

[@wesleyhudson9560]

I'm a bit confused: is the post saying that this clip from the session at Legion is an example of what Danaher is talking about?

[@singledadmetalhead2553]

I don't think so because he was giving examples of how it could be countered or hard to hit in a spar. Thats why he was saying to look for it at different times and not think you can just go in an execute it

[@johnankrah299]

You gotta set it up....

[@MrBradclack]

I understand it's a variation to suit BJJ but omg Yamashita would laugh seeing a done this way

[@loghawgtv]

As far as knee injury’s Osoto takes the cake..

[@boshintang]

This reminds me of my friend who took judo up until high school. I don't know if it was some kind of belt test, but he would "jump" and make it look good when the younger kids were throwing him.

[@jessecole1011]

This demonstration does exactly what Danaher was saying. The tori is throwing, and the uki is limp. This does not happen in real life fighting

[@vlada]

Which is why randori exists. You practice the move thousands of time with limited resistance and then you try to apply it during randori. Over and over and over. You don't learn a move, practice it, use it for a randori and say " I know how to do this".

[@jessecole1011]

@vlada what I'm saying is that practicing the throw, there are two ways to do it: one way is when uki is not resisting; 2nd way is when uki is resisting (like he would in a fight.)Both ways are excellent in practice. However, what John Danaher was saying is that if the tori( the thrower) ONLY does the throw 100's of time with uki(throwee) just going along with it, that is not realistic practice. The tori then will incorrectly assume when fighting in a competition or a real fight that the opponent will just stand there--not fighting back. This is not realistic. That is what Danaher is saying.

[@arantxaurrutia0]

You have to master the kuzushi, positioning and head control/grip

[@reverbautopsy9093]

@@arantxaurrutia0 Exactly. Drill the off balancing relentlessly and learn the body mechanics first or any judo throw/sweep will be hard to pull off.

[@vindicatedafi]

@@jessecole1011that’s how judo is taught and practiced. You randori to test. What is the disconnect your having with this concept of practice since the late 1800s? We can say that it works because it does.

[@vanillaglue]

OP, where is the full interview?

[@jacobbonardi8539]

This is what I came into the comments for as well

[@vanillaglue]

@@jacobbonardi8539 i did end up finding it, look for: "whats wrong with BJJ takedowns danaher"

[@vanillaglue]

@@jacobbonardi8539 look up "what's wrong with bjj takedowns - danaher"

[@DeeLee-v4c]

Is freestyle wrestling easier than Judo? at least at the start of training?

[@husam-al-din-baybars]

This is imho a fundamental problem with JJ, You need to drill Osoto Gary again, and again, and again. Then use it in Randori (free sparring) and see it fail again, and again, and again. And then you gradually see it working, after long time of drilling and sparring. In BJJ guys want to use 100% of time to train ground work, and learn a throw or a take down in some wrestling session or a seminar, and yet expect it to work?

[@user-zh8ni2hb7z]

This problem is solved if your training partner did wrestling or judo. I don't let me partners take me down if it's not even close

[@SquibRound]

This move is mainly to counter

[@galvanizedgnome]

Dan Jonaher

[@dosomething3]

why is the other guy wearing his pajamas?😮😮😮😮

[@theperfectbeing]

This is why wrestlers man handle everyone on stand up and take down defense, very little of what you drill is against a compliant opponent.

[@vindicatedafi]

Judo has randori or sparring each class danaher is addressing a non issue in the judo world. This might be prevalent in bjj though.

[@andreisolomon2813]

The Osoto Gări presented seems to be more a sort of Osoto Gake, why not teach Osoto Otoshi before Gari? The cinematic chain of Gari și more complicated than Otoshi.

[@JohnLoogleman]

Danaher couldn't be more spot on. Osoto Garo looks like it should be really eaay and is easy when training, but never works when sparring. Look at the video of Kimura showing his students the technique, he makes a lot of contact with the opponent high and low on the body then steps right though.

[@Thatdudeoveryonder]

Luckily I have a great coach who actually teaches throws in combinations

[@BillyTheKidsGhost]

Why is BJJ turning in to Judo?

[@mikieemiike3979]

The coach had to get payback 3 times.

[@badxradxandy]

"1st takedown you learn, last one you master" or whatever

[@bradleythompson6254]

If you lead in with a jab or a knee the throw is so much easier…

[@SINdaBlock411]

wanna learn judo: do judo, just that simple

[@jodylowe8476]

Danaher again stating the obvious and getting credit for being a genius.

[@vantaa3534]

In our judo school we learn throwns in combos or different grips or as counters so idk what these guys are talking about. Obviously first you have to learn the throw without resistance before developing combos etc

[@kovenmaitreya7184]

He's talking about how BJJ schools teach throwing skills, not an actual Judo school.

[@sirbalanced5486]

Stick with the BreadNButter… Double Leg

[@vanillaglue]

The beauty is in the whole art. Double leg is practical, but not the best.

[@lamontgarnesjr4638]

Hip should be deeper in, it’s a throw…not a sweep.

[@Hiberno_sperg]

Major outer reap.

[@Jonobos]

I mean, if you look at danahers take down material he is teaching it in fragments... So he isn't wrong.

[@powersportswear4031]

Freestyle wrestling most practical alongside CERTAIN judo throws.

[@mikemcfarthing3499]

No Kuzushi! Learn to off balance opponent before drilling it or sparring it.

[@dualmass]

This channel is very good, John explains why I wrecked bjj guys , and yeah Judo existed way before “BJJ” it’s factual don’t believe me? Let’s have match 😊

[@Hello-IsaacHere]

No way you beat a ground fighting sport that doesn’t focus on takedowns, in takedowns 😮😮😮😮

[@dimmak7414]

Whoa we got a tough guy here watch out everyone

[@thecollector6746]

@@Hello-IsaacHere LOL. Nice.

[@VoltedSoldier]

Please lol, I’m a 3 stripe purple and I’ve cross trained at a judo club. The skill disparity between the arts is insane. I was catching anyone and everyone with a basic loop choke lmao.

[@thecollector6746]

@@VoltedSoldier You are also a liar. You forgot to mention that part.

[@justinlindle3122]

Watered down judo. No transition

[@Quidoute]

In judo it is often said "Osoto gari the forst technique you learn, and last to master" It can take multiple yeats to just get good with Osoto Thus I wouldnt recommend judo for bjj guys Its learning curve is way too deep

[@amnfox]

This is honestly why I don't do any stand up grappling. They'll be some jiu-jitsu guy that tries osoto gari and blows my f****** knee out because I don't know what they're doing.

[@thecollector6746]

What the real issue is here is that Tachi-Waza takes years of incessant drilling and randori to become half-way decent at it. It's also a different kind of cardio and it is rough on the body. Most Jiujiterro quit bothering with standup when these facts dawn on them.

[@BlackguynamedMason]

W foot fungus

[@dangeroushandles]

Apprently. In all martial arts. The way they teach now is a lot softer and less technical. Like a brown belt in the 90s can beat the shit out of a black belt from 2018

[@KonstantinS-p4g]

That’s why wrestling is superior.

[@salkeldeliaoe]

His nose is so long 😮

[@MontyQueues]

lol sh te fe up

[@salkeldeliaoe]

@@MontyQueues he doesn't even need jiu-jitsu he just needs to poke people with that nose of his 😭