Julia Hartley-Brewer Confronts Campaigner Who Says Late Abortions Should Be "Decriminalised"

A mother-of-three has been jailed for more than two years for inducing an abortion after the legal limit.
44-year-old Carla Foster received the medication following a remote consultation where she was not honest about how far along her pregnancy was.
Julia Hartley-Brewer is shocked by campaigner Janey Starling who calls for late abortions to be decriminalised.
Janey: “Abortion is healthcare.”
Julia: “Are you saying you don’t think it should be a criminal act when I was 8 months pregnant to abort my child?”
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[@collier8931]

It was murder. She could have had the baby adopted, this woman sees nothing wrong with infanticide.

[@lesley1174]

Its all part of the trend that a woman can do no wrong. These activists think no woman should be punished for horrendous crimes like this one.

[@scottmcmahon86]

@@lesley1174 It was during Lockdown, you cretin, it's not like she could make an appointment to get an operation, was it...?

[@maryatkin5454]

And how do you know what she was going through and what state of mind she was in This happened through lockdown when she couldn’t get help She needed help not jail I don’t believe anyone in their right mind would do this she was a mother of three children one with special needs it’s easy to condemn if you are not in her shoes

[@collier8931]

@@maryatkin5454 I don’t, it’s still murder.

[@lesley1174]

@@maryatkin5454 As i said "think no woman should be punished for horrendous crimes".

[@unclem7816]

Its a personal decision 5 minutes before being born?! This woman is a broken human being. A monster 😮

[@robertelliott2216]

Modern demon folk.

[@megaxenu753]

Yeah I didn't think she'd say yes to that.

[@BlookbugIV]

She doesn’t want that policed by criminal law, but I’ll bet everything I own she’s all for us being jailed for tweets.

[@RAFchurchlawford4469]

Janey Starling's mum: Sometimes I think I should have had an abortion 🤔

[@megaxenu753]

@@RAFchurchlawford4469 It's not too late. It's just a medical procedure. Now pass me those forceps.

[@seandelap8587]

She kilked a viable baby she fully deserves to be in prison for it

[@sparemewillya958]

She fully deserves the death penalty...an eye for an eye and all that.

[@elainewhitelock5347]

This child was murdered. The baby has a right too. Abortion at this stage is evil.

[@kelrogers8480]

What's the difference between 1 month, 12 weeks and 8 months? It's the same damned child!

[@robertelliott2216]

If you need that explained Kel you are part of the problem.

[@bobflemming100]

@@robertelliott2216I think you’ve misunderstood her. Is she not saying abortion at any stage is wrong?

[@sugarkane4830]

@@bobflemming100 yeah she is. And she’s wrong.

[@colonelturmeric558]

Nah, she’s totally right. Abortion is utterly wrong. But kid yourself why dont you, ignorance is bliss after all

[@alanmackinnon3516]

It's shocking how little regard she has for the baby that was murdered.

[@sparemewillya958]

That misanthrope had a smile on her face all the way through the interview. I'm thinking she will need a body guard from now on.

[@VitoDuval]

Many many Women and some Men think like this - truly horrible People. Steer clear of these Women.

[@kvj1989]

Life isnt sacred so fuck the baby.

[@danzman101]

It's what you'd call a textbook psychopath. No empathy for anything, or anyone.

[@sparemewillya958]

@@danzman101 A text book MISANTHROPE.

[@iknowyoureright8564]

Some of these people are calling for abortion right up until the day of birth……that is literally psychopathic.

[@JennyNaude]

Jane starling is one sick woman.

[@jeffsimon9594]

A hardline leftist in other words

[@londonhodnet4079]

What a piece of c..p she is, 8 months is murder

[@MarlynneStruwig-je8qr]

Maybe a long nose tribe member

[@mrdee2454]

Yes murder should be illegal

[@babybearsporridge]

Yes, agreed, but that developing baby must be viable (able to breathe air and exist outside a womb) for it to be murder.

[@Grenbestyie]

​@@babybearsporridge an 8 month premature baby can breath on ita own. Also, you are on shakey ground if you are going to associate the babies dependability with whether it is a criminal act. It is definetely murder (and i say that as an athiest). Therefore, it should be dealt with in the same way any other murder is dealt with.

[@loganblackwood2922]

​@@GrenbestyieWhat I've never understood about atheists, is their unwillingness to ever stand on hard moral lines, yet they condemn God on hard moral lines. I just find it funny that they extend empathy to Satan, even if they don't believe he exists and are quite often in support of or defence of some of worst depravities our species engage in.

[@KevinArdala01]

It's not "healthcare" at that late a date, it's horrendous and its murder, she should've got a much longer sentence. What she did is despicable.

[@loganblackwood2922]

It has never been healthcare. This is where the decision to refer to infanticide as healthcare will always lead. Why is abortion a thing primarily? Sex had consequences that the woman doesn't want.

[@bigted1347]

I felt physically sick when this campaigner spoke . Whilst the scientific world moves forward at such apace , laws surrounding abortion need to lower the window for abortion not lengthen it

[@crawford1083]

Disgusting t@rt.

[@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559]

Why? Women still don't necessarily know they're pregnant until a certain point. It can also take time to identify things like fatal foetal abnormalities. In some cases, where, for example, the child has a fatal condition that would be painful, women choose to abort out of compassion, so that their child experiences as little pain as possible.

[@sookibeulah9331]

@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 if a baby has a disability the law allows the mother to abort

[@Madonnalitta1]

​@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 yes, they do. Any women knows before 8 weeks, switched on women who monitor there cycle know at 4 weeks. Only a promiscuous child wouldn't know.

[@Bobmudu35UK]

​@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 Do you think women should be able to abort a child at any stage of pregnancy?

[@traceyevans7068]

Thank you for putting this woman on, so we could see her laughing and smiling and being so flippant about the murder of a baby, and then PRETEND she was concerned about the other children.

[@kipling1957]

Mind numbing repetition of the slogan, “abortion is health care.” A facile and disturbing lack of understanding. This is straight out of Orwell.

[@richardgorton5630]

What an evil woman trying to pretend she isn’t

[@vugdiwilo]

Sick SICK woman, she should be banned from every having children ironically.

[@bcoxal]

The reality of abortion laws anywhere - one woman's treasured baby is another woman's trash, and the woman gets to select treasure or trash. Pure evil.

[@sugarkane4830]

Rubbish

[@Ronny.81]

​@@cherryislandhopeand them men are pure evil too,end of story.

[@Freethinkingtheist77]

@River Girl In fairness to the original comment, that person was simply referring to abortion laws, not incidents involving violent men. I do not know of any cases where a man who has kicked an unborn baby to death had received a slap on the wrist, but if it happens it is both shameful and disgusting.

[@freddiebiscuit9703]

bcoxal Yes because it is the woman's body and it is she who has to go through 40 weeks of misery (if she doesn't want the pregnancy) followed by possibly hours of pain and, depending on the birth and her age and health, possible long-term effects. better to get rid of "trash" you don't care for than knock out a sprog and ill-treat it. Ill-treatment is not necessarily depriving it of food and material items it can come in the form of denying it love and attention, telling it that it wasn't wanted, and making it feel that it is a worthless inconvenience and thoroughly disappointing.

[@loganblackwood2922]

​@@cherryislandhopeWhich part of what he said was untrue? Women do get to pick unilaterally. Your name having cherry in it is fitting, since you're cherry picking the rare cases violent men hurt a woman and cause her to miscarry. You know what we don't do though? We don't call it surprise healthcare. The man faces consequences and condemnation.

[@flounder2283]

The thing about a late abortion is that the woman has to deliver the baby anyway so better to deliver the child. She killed this child because it represented an inconvenience. There is an agreed limit. Everyone knows the limit. At some point the child rights have to kick in. It wasn't a desperate situation, the judge was right.

[@ginagallichan7651]

Yeah that's a good point. Why not just wait a few more weeks and deliver the baby live and give it up for adoption? The fact that she chose to kill it and deliver it dead as you pointed out is really sick.

[@freddiebiscuit9703]

@@ginagallichan7651 Give it up for adoption and of course that has no implications for the sprog does it? The sprog is never going to feel unwanted or discarded when it is told or finds out, is it? Obviously not in your pink fluffy bunny world but that is why so many adopted people seek out their birth mothers in adulthood and why so many are left feeling even more rejected when mummy dearest tells them to piss off because she has moved on with life. You are the one that is enough to make someone sick with your ill thought out remedy for life.

[@puclopuclik4108]

Not only the baby has to be delivered anyway, but delivering dead baby is much riskier and more dangerous than delivering life baby.

[@paulroberts7544]

Should there ever be collective agreement over what happens to someone else's body? What about bodily sovereignty? For example, should the man that impregnates the woman be forced to donate a kidney if the child later needs a kidney transplant to survive? What about organ donation after death - should that be mandated (so the existing opt out abolished)? Should life saving blood donation, kidney donation etc be mandated to save lives (including the lives of new born babies). Should people be forced to have vaccinations or other medical procedures that are deemed to be for 'the greater good' (to save others)? Why are we singling out pregnant women and taking away their bodily autonomy? Why does the state or society get to decide what 'the limit' is in this situation, but not over life saving organ donation, vaccines etc? The point I am trying to make is that the arguments aren't logical and consistent. If it's about saving the lives of babies then there are lots of other things that can be mandated to save thousands of innocent babies, but we don't do it because we supposedly believe in bodily autonomy. No if's and not buts the individual decides what happens to their body.

[@freddiebiscuit9703]

@@paulroberts7544 . Usually, I refuse to debate female-centred issues with a male but you raise an excellent point. I do not believe that anyone should have any say over another person's body or their freedom of choice in personal medical procedures of any sort where that person is able to make their own rational decision. The trouble is you have these bigots who have nothing better to do than try interfering in other people's lives without any knowledge of that person. If you dictated that after knocking out sprog number 2 both parents had to be sterilised to help reduce the human population, can you imagine the uproar? These "little dictators" would be the first to cry foul. Many live under the illusion that the minute little unwanted sprog appears, all women will immediately melt and fall in love with it - not true! Their solution is to put it up for adoption as if that is the panacea of all ills which of course it is not. Rejection can create many issues for the child in adulthood and foisted off onto someone who will have is indeed a rejection!

[@CallieFigueroa76]

Nothing after 12 weeks Except medical emergency

[@robertelliott2216]

100 percent correct.Stop using abortion as a contraceptive.

[@babybearsporridge]

Why 12 weeks? Why not 11 or 13? The only rational dividing line is viability, depending on where you live, around 24 weeks.

[@CallieFigueroa76]

@@babybearsporridge nothing pass 12 weeks Are u saying 7 months is ok?

[@CallieFigueroa76]

@@babybearsporridge 8 months? If your child can be born and live No there should be no abortion allowed

[@qetoun]

The question is, when does a human being start?

[@J80MBO]

Murder = health care 😂😂😂😂world gets more mental every day

[@qetoun]

Its like the way the Nazis said the Jews were being ''evacuated''.

[@ladyj5331]

The way she trots out that one in three statistic like it's a sign of a normal society 🤯

[@qetoun]

shining with evil isn't she.

[@judeflynn]

Horrid, Psycho woman 🤡 Poor Julia, sharing her own heart breaking story about her own miscarriages and her personal knowledge of how viable an 8 month baby would be and the psycho’woman’s response is “It’s health care” 🤮 no it’s INFANTICIDE - baby murder.

[@danzman101]

That thing she was interviewing is a product of the devil. What an utterly vile being.

[@scottbrown9955]

This is mental! How can anyone kill an 8 month old child? And how can anyone defend it? This is bonkers

[@lozzaheath815]

A women saying abortion is health care blows me away.... 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@puclopuclik4108]

It is in particular circumstances, however this one was not.

[@barryevans791]

At 8 months pregnant, a child can be born prematurely and survive. She should have been convicted of murder and given 25 years. Yet again, the law is different for women compared to men, why do we hold women at a lower level of responsibility than men? You can bet your life that if a man kicked a 8 month pregnant woman in the stomach and she lost the baby, he would not see daylight again.

[@WomanOfMetaXX]

At 8 months it is not premature. My twins were born at 8 months fully developed. I am pro abortion, but I have limits and this was the dispatching of a full term baby.

[@barryevans791]

@@WomanOfMetaXX I agree, I mentioned premature because based on comments on KZbin someone would surely bring up a nonsense point about babies taking 9 months to be born.

[@jujutrini8412]

Men can’t have abortions so I don’t see how you can compare men to women in this instance. There’s been loads of men who have beaten pregnant women and have received minute sentences for causing the woman to miscarry, if it’s acknowledged at all in sentencing. You just sound like you hate women.

[@hayleylongster4698]

Exactly. I give blood to very premature babies (because my blood is both o neg and cmv neg). I am told it is given to those babies that emerge weeks (into months) too early from the womb. The NHS would not take my blood and give it to a foetus.

[@seandelap8587]

Have these people never heard of contraception ffs

[@bobflemming100]

Or chastity?

[@O-o-Azazel-o-O]

Modern feminism teaches women that abortion is just another form of contraception. Their is an attack on the family unit and no woman i want to know considers abortion at 9 months. Feminism breeds evil monsters

[@barryevans791]

bit late for contraception if you are 8 months pregnant, unless you agree that abortion is "health care".

[@minkyfran8307]

@@barryevans791 have they heard of adoption then ? Late abortion is murder

[@theoraclecow4441]

​@barryevans791 they use contraception before engage in sex!

[@Puglia506]

If this woman had given birth to this child, and then killed it, everyone would be outraged by such an evil act. But because she killed it whilst it was still inside her womb, that's not an outrage. How twisted can we get?

[@loganblackwood2922]

Exactly, if the father decided to buy an industrial sized vacuum, a Dyson GigaChad edition and use it on his one day old child, nobody would be saying 25 months is harsh enough. They'd likely be saying 25 *years* isn't enough. It is crazy we are deciding the moral legitimacy of a murder, depending on what day of the week it is done.

[@pravinshingadia7337]

These people think a baby isn’t a living being until the very second it leaves the mother. So until that last second it can still be terminated. That’s how twisted they are.

[@CobinRain]

It’s not “twisted”… it is completely misinformed.

[@pravinshingadia7337]

It is twisted. They are fully aware of the biological facts and distorting these to fit an ideology. The same ploy they used with all the gender stuff.

[@dimercamparini]

@@CobinRain I dont think that in this day and age you can actually be "misinformed" on these matters...if you chose to have that position is definitely because you chose to follow a certain ideology (blindly), and not simply because you dont have all the informations to make a rational stand.

[@babybearsporridge]

I always want to know in a late-term abortion what happens if the doctor botches the procedure and a living, breathing baby is born?!

[@dimercamparini]

@@babybearsporridge I think that is basically impossible to happen cause the doctor will always make sure the baby is definitely "unliving" (with different methods) before getting him out of the mother.

[@FDCAFOK]

There's no excuse to murder an unborn child!!

[@philg7889]

Janey started her sentences repeatedly with 'So...' Pretty obvious she regards her point of view as the only one that's important. Desperately sorry for the unborn child.It's horrific!

[@tonysanchez7862]

Yes-as soon as I hear some talking head commencing every sentence with "So", I know I am listening to a programmed Globalist midwit of which Janey is a perfect exemplar.

[@theclashcalling_]

'So...' and 'I feel like..' are definite red flags!

[@hugohugo2832]

So annoying. Drives me mad

[@Iazzaboyce]

Pretty sure 'murder' was a 'Victorian law' too...

[@rebeccaconlon9743]

Yep, and a number of other things

[@pigdestr0yer1973]

"Abortion is health care", the young woman says. Well, it is not "health care" for the child. It is murder. Some people, the ones that do not have a soul, believe it is ok until you have to use an icepick, like on a baby seal, to get rid of that unwanted child. I have nothing but contempt for these soul-less creatures.

[@paulhatton9564]

Societies in the western world have lost or are losing their humanity. Never before have children and babies been so undervalued, from abortion being seen as fair game, mutilating and permanently altering our children at the alter of the trans cult, and the rape of girls by grooming gangs having the authorities turning a blind eye because they don't want to offend certain communities! And this is all from the ideology that likes to promote and to wear their 'love all' t-shirts.

[@janettetaylor8760]

Not creature human being.

[@iancoughlan5]

Agreed, this "it's health care" argument is a classic diversion.

[@pigdestr0yer1973]

@@iancoughlan5 I´m pretty sure that the next time a western country turns into a fascist/communist hellscape, and they decide to "get rid of the ones they don´t like", they are going to call the mass shootings "health care". It sanitizes everything.

[@TravellingVineyard]

Another diversion is that it is a Victorian era law as if that is something old fashioned and out of touch with modern society. Free speech, right to vote, right to privacy etc etc. Are all well established laws from hundreds of years ago. Don't see anything wrong with those laws.

[@Aquariuseleven]

She deserves prison.. thats not healthcare...what a vile young woman!! 😭🤢🤬

[@susanmcconkey5219]

Murder is murder.....end of story. The law has to protect the innocent children who are being slaughtered. There are just no words!

[@starskyarsky8374]

Julia, please, please , please, never give up your job!!! Wish more journalists were as direct and transparent as you!!

[@lefuedebout]

I have the feeling Janey Starling would be better off moving to California where abortions right up to the moment before birth are legal! That is exactly what she's advocating.

[@steelic1]

Yes wasn’t that passed last year or the year before? Next it’ll be “you’ve got 10 mins to decide after birth and so on and so on”...

[@ragingshibe]

No Abortion here in California is the same as the UK: abortion is allowed up until point of viability (24 weeks). Unfortunately tho similar to the UK, we have a lot of pro-choicers trying to get it raised to up until birth.

[@rosemaryalles6043]

At eight months? It's murder. 😢 not Healthcare. Horrifying. The woman must face some manner of punitive consequences. I'm not sure it should be prison.

[@mikeycon10]

She says it’s a personal decision to abort your baby 5 mins before it was due to be born?! What is the world coming to where she thinks this is a reasonable opinion to state and with a smile on her face too!?

[@user-zz5je1ry1o]

Omg that woman is literally advocating murder. 5 minutes before Labour? “Yes, that’s fundamentally my position”. An absolute psychopath!

[@kipling1957]

“Abortion is health care” This is where we have got to. An “old law” as an argument against a law is not an argument.

[@michaelbrunsdon8938]

Theft is an old law too, maybe we should legalise it in 2023

[@danzman101]

This is exactly the type of person that should be kept well away from any hospital facility. I wouldn't trust her to look after a pet rabbit. She'd kill the thing, rather than bother feeding it

[@steveh3206]

If you don't realise you don't want to be pregnant for 24 weeks then you missed your chance. Frankly 6 months of being happy with the situation. I was born at about 33 weeks, that's only 9 weeks after this and over a month BEFORE the age of her unborn child. It was a fully formed human being and she killed it. This woman has clearly never given birth and held her own baby in her arms. Nobody who has loved a child (or anyone who isn't a sociopath) could say that it is OK to kill a child 5 minutes before it would be born.

[@freddiebiscuit9703]

steveh3206 clearly 33 weeks was too early because your brain didn't have time to fully develop. Either that or they disposed of the sprog and kept the afterbirth!

[@xena6894]

​@Freddie Biscuit the brain is fully formed after the 1st and 2nd Trimester. I guess yours is re.tard though....

[@darthlovejoy3811]

That woman is pure evil

[@sbffsbrarbrr]

I think the word evil is very overused but completely appropriate in this instance. She is condoning the murder of a completely viable child. This is no different than what Hitler did with disabled children.

[@qetoun]

but utterly oblivious.

[@davenaranjo7686]

8 months is murder

[@jojojacques810]

My baby was born at less than the gestation of this poor baby and my son is now 28 with a child of his own!!! Think about that!!! That not abortion, that’s murder!!!!! Hers a thought, stop using abortion as a contraceptive!!! This person speaking disgusts me!!!

[@lizzy2396]

My son too. She had many, many choices prior to this final one. She wasn't a child, far from it. She should face repercussions for her actions. I don't buy the whole 'A mother shouldn't be sent to prison for the sake of the other children' - that's literally a get out jail card for any woman who has a child to do what she wants and it's wrong. Not all mothers are good ones.

[@goodyeoman4534]

All the best to you and your son.

[@sparemewillya958]

Totally agree with ya...the morning after pill at a push after being a slag for the night but to end the life of a full term baby is murder.

[@jojojacques810]

@@lizzy2396 I agree, people need to be held accountable for their actions.

[@jojojacques810]

@@goodyeoman4534 🙏

[@BlueOstinato]

Ending a human life is not healthcare. Certainly the health of the unborn human isn't the focus by that term, which is apparent from the very selective language used to frame what is actually occurring.

[@colonelturmeric558]

Tell that to the covid jab nuts, they called that healthcare and look how great that was lol

[@septillion2501]

If you go to jail for murdering a 1 day old baby you should go to jail for murdering a viable unborn baby. Women not wanting to be inconvenienced shouldn’t supersede a baby’s right to live.

[@ginagallichan7651]

Yes but you are also forgetting it's men who are not wanting to be inconvenienced either. Women don't get pregnant on their own lol

[@janet5846]

​@@ginagallichan7651Then take precautions, in the uk it's free! And there is also morning after pill, so you don't actually get pregnant at all! Excuses excuses excuses... What, and she remembers at 8 months? A mother? Disgusting, she should've thought of the "inconvenience" 8 months earlier!

[@ginagallichan7651]

​@@janet5846 Thankyou Janet for the contraceptive advice that nobody asked you for. It seems you have totally missed my point. I was simply pointing out the fact that women don't get pregnant on their own. They actually need input from a male so it isn't just the mothers who should receive ALL the blame for terrible situations like this. Father's need to also take responsibility for their sperm and not contribute to unwanted pregnancies also.

[@newuk26]

@@ginagallichan7651 if a woman gets pregnant, the father is legally obligated to ensure that baby is supported. At the same time the woman is legally allowed to kill that same baby without any input from the father. I think if you’re trying to blame men for this you’re on to a loser

[@ginagallichan7651]

@@newuk26 You are missing the point as well lol. The point is men contribute to unwanted pregnancies just as much as women do. And there are men who are happy for these unwanted pregnancies to be terminated while the women seem to take all the blame. There is also a hell of a lot more to being a parent than just sending a cheque in the mail. I understand what you are saying though and I guess in this particular case we don't know how the father felt or if he even knew that the mother intended to kill his unborn baby. All I'm saying is, it's not ok for men to simply spray and walk away. Women need to take responsibility for their eggs and men responsibility for their sperm because whether you like it or not the woman you are impregnating might not want to continue with the pregnancy and as you pointed out, rightly or wrongly she has the legal right to terminate without your input.

[@floccinonfacio594]

If that lady is advocating for murdering an unborn child, then maybe she needs a home visit for a polite chat.

[@davidthomas3826]

Anyone who can kill an eight month old baby is, at best, a coldhearted psychpath or just an evil sadist

[@nicky611]

So when exactly does this woman think it’s ok to kill your unborn child? At any point at all??

[@willingcube5713]

Yep, she said that when she said it was up to the woman to decide if she wants to terminate the baby 5 minutes before birth. Disgusting woman.

[@BlookbugIV]

She said yes to that if you watch the whole things.

[@nicky611]

@@willingcube5713 it’s like she’s been infected with a mind virus and all morality and logic is gone.

[@ashleyfielding8963]

A personal decision 5 minutes before the child is born ? Wow unbelievable

[@outoforbit-]

Health care is the new term that this young women is repeating without thinking. She has been completely overtaken by ideology not any knowledge of 'health care' as she calls it. And does she not realise that health care is indeed covered by laws, ethics and so forth. She has no idea what she is talking about and no capacity for reflection.

[@gruunt4064]

when they try and change the terminology and control the language you know there is something up, just like calling castration gender affirming care

[@colonelturmeric558]

Doublespeak, plain and simple. They like to euphemise instead of speaking frankly and honestly

[@sbffsbrarbrr]

@@colonelturmeric558 Yes, murder by any other name sounds better, but to who I can't imagine.

[@jujutrini8412]

Abortion is healthcare though. It doesn’t mean that the woman in this instance was right. She was very clearly wrong and justly punished for it.

[@outoforbit-]

@@jujutrini8412 abortion is only health care if every individual decides what health is for themselves regardless of whether they are a doctor or whether they are, say, a user of street drugs to treat their depression. So should just accept that the user of street drugs for his depression knows better than any doctor.

[@TyeDye75]

This young naive woman just has a slogan co-opted from American colleges and has put no further thought into her position.

[@qetoun]

Well said, they just have a script. nothing more.

[@Jackfrost24]

How can anyone think this is ok. It is utter wickedness 😢

[@aglaisio]

How dare she try to justify murdering an infant with her sweeping generalisations regarding the context and then she tries to play the victim card by saying that criminal is separated from her 3 other children. These monsters deserve to be in prison.

[@umwha]

The interviewee was sugar sweet and oh so rational … it really concealed the narcissistic psychopathy behind her dead eyes.

[@Becca159]

I think it is the sign of a great interviewer and journalist that Julia Hartley-Brewer, herself pro-choice, pressed that hard regarding the morality of a late-term abortion. I believe that any point after fertilization and the emergence of unique DNA is an arbitrary point at which to start defending an unborn life but late-term abortions are particularly cruel given the baby's undeniable capacity to feel pain.

[@dimercamparini]

The "pro choice" group is under a VERY large umbrella (a lot larger than the "pro life" group, that is, factually, more ideologically driven, and thus more focused and "monolithic") So is completely reasonable that an intelligent person who holds SOME, moderate, "pro choice" ideas goes against another that, even if techincally under the same umbrella, has more radical and unsustainable ideas on the matter, than him. I am not surprised at all...I would do the exact same thing actually...

[@clivematthews95]

So true 😢

[@freddiebiscuit9703]

Becca159 Another earth mother from the "let's all lactate" brigade. The woman in question was 44 y.o. not a good time to be spawning; and that is a medical fact, the sprog's chances of being a factory second are greatly increased as is a risk to the mother. This lady already has three children and you don't know her financial circumstances or her medical history.

[@dimercamparini]

@@freddiebiscuit9703 Every thing you do after waiting for EIGHT MONTHS...you could have done it SOONER...there is NO EXCUSE for it... You have health concerns? Abort in the 3 months window. You have financial concerns? Abort in the 3 months window. You simpy dont like having another baby? Abort in the 3 months window. (and dont even try to rebut with the pityful excuse that "well maybe you didnt know you were pregnant back there"...EVERY WOMAN understands her pregnant condition very SOON, not knowing is litterally impossible...especially in the case of a mature woman who already directly lived that process before 3 TIMES, as you said)

[@michaelbrunsdon8938]

She sounds a bit silly to argue that a 33 week old fetus is a baby with a right to life but a 23 week old fetus is not a baby and doesn't have a right to life.

[@valhollylee8422]

My eldest daughter was premature and delivered at 35 weeks. She was 5.5 lbs and 20" long. She had RDS and spent some time in an incubator. Apart from that she was perfect. She will be 42 at the end of the month and is the mother of a 10-year old herself. The idea that someone thinks it's ok to murder - because that's what it is; she deliberately deceived a nurse to get the meds to destroy her daughter - a fully formed child and not pay any consequences for it is shocking! There's not enough accountability these days but far too much sense of entitlement. Too many people have the "Oh well" attitude; she deceived both the men she was involved with she's failed her children and she's destroyed a baby's life because she's thoroughly dishonest with herself as well as everyone around her. She's left a trail of destruction in her wake - and all because she couldn't make up her mind! She's not just a disgrace to herself and family but she's done a disservice to every woman if childbearing age now and in the future because her selfishness just gives another string to the bow of people who want to see abortion rescinded because if women aren't going to follow the law then the law will have to change to protect the unborn and that will have dire consequences for everyone!

[@kevintravis5123]

the woman is a crank.... she couldnt answer the question ... and wanted to avoid talking about a viable baby 8 months old

[@phil2768]

Calling the murder of a child 'Health Care' is a sematic inversion, a contradiction of truth. The sort of thing that you would find in Orwell's 1984. What you would expect from a society which has lost it morality.

[@stuartwood5448]

This lady should absolutely be in prison for killing her baby

[@Martin-dn8bu]

This young woman with no child is a psychopath in a true meaning of the word. In case she becomes pregnant (doesn't seem likely she has a maternal instinct or has been brainwashed) children's services need to keep a close eye on her.

[@lesley1174]

If this woman who killed her child had of been attacked and lost the baby because of that, the attacker would have been sentenced for killing that child. The same bunch of apologists would have been screaming from the rooftops for a longer sentence for the attacker, not leniency. Their hypocrisy knows no limits.

[@richardfletcher4704]

She really struggled to say that our loud. It always sounds crazier than it does in your head, and man she sounded crazy.

[@janicevasey4038]

My first baby was born at eight months. Apparently it is more dangerous than seven moths. He was sooo tiny and sooo precious to us especially when he had four respiratory infections in his first seven months of life. He turn’s forty seven this year and is still precious. I will never understand anyone aborting a gift from God!

[@sookibeulah9331]

Why should it be “healthcare” right up to the moment of birth but criminal law immediately afterwards?

[@jaynemartin2551]

At 33 weeks She had to give birth to a stillborn baby. Why not give birth to a live baby who could have been adopted into a loving family. She deserves to be in prison.

[@Amelia..B.B]

To experince a human life wriggling around and growing inside you is one of the biggest privileges a women can ever experience. How can anyone be so detached from that bond? Shocking 😢

[@jujutrini8412]

Of course there will be circumstances where a developing baby inside a woman will not feel good to them. You seem to be detached from human understanding or empathy. You think a woman who falls pregnant after rape will feel good about feeling a rapist’s baby growing inside them? Or a victim of incest? Or a woman who is in a marriage where her husband is beating her every morning noon and night? Many women feel terrified of that sensation. All of this is not an excuse to flout the law and do as she did. The judge was right to punish her.

[@Amelia..B.B]

@@jujutrini8412 This women wasn't raped. She wasn't beaten by her husband. She just didn't want to continue the pregnancy. My empathy is for the baby.

[@freddiebiscuit9703]

reconnectingwthself865 For you perhaps. I have never liked tiny babies, I hated being pregnant (it was an accident) I was a fitness addict and my body was ripped but the birth had complications and compromised my lower back with which I still suffer. When a limb appeared it made me feel physically ill knowing that this thing was growing inside me and leeching off me. The pregnancy, the birth, and then being lumbered with a mewling little rat was the worst time of my life.

[@Amelia..B.B]

@@freddiebiscuit9703 Wow 😳

[@jujutrini8412]

@@Amelia..B.B I didn’t say she was raped. I didn’t mention sympathy or empathy. I don’t have empathy for the woman who aborted her baby so late in her pregnancy. I was directly opining on the original comment!

[@urwomansfantasy4163]

The fact that we are as a society asking the question about if killing children is not okay or not, but if it should be legal speaks volumes about how far we have not come. We dress better and got vehicles that the cave men and woman didn't but that's about where the differences stop.

[@Freethinkingtheist77]

Can anyone explain to me why the location of a baby (whether inside or outside the womb) is the detemining factor as to whether he/she has a right to life? Even Julia Hartley-Brewer, with whom I normally agree, said she doesn't feel the woman should be in prison. But if the baby had been killed on the outside of the womb she would most certainly have a different view. If anyone can help me see the logic here please enlighten me, because I am at a complete loss right now.

[@savethefamily-savetheworld5539]

This is the expression of an idea which has morphed into a feeling , jettisoning reason. If you can make someone believe in absurdities you can make them commit atrocities.

[@rainyday270]

A live stream of a late term abortion ultrasound, with a close up of the babies face as it's being killed may help this young woman. Why are we arguing what it is when the technology exists to remove all doubt.

[@pblossom3757]

I cant help feeling that oneday this lady (speaking to Julia) will look back upon this conversation and both regret and wish that she had not spoken so heartlessly..

[@karl5395]

Excellent interview, not letting the interviewee off the hook with stock 'its healthcare' responses. So often the rights of the killed baby are conveniently ignored or santized as an 'aborted fetus'

[@boxfullofneutral8514]

As a health care professional, there is no medical reason to terminate a viable child. That's why she did it by herself

[@deelondon1336]

Unbelievable,, we’re living in bad times ,,, no thought for the baby disgusting woman 🤬

[@davidaldridge533]

It’s bizarre that her argument is that’s it’s just “healthcare” and that it’s all fine. There’s no argument that it’s just healthcare. She wanted people to hear that and think “ah, that’s okay then” and move on to the next thing.

[@markabrahams2191]

The term healthcare came from the people that like killing babies in the US.

[@qetoun]

Its not healthcare for the baby.

[@katherine_dogsRlife]

Two of my nieces were born within their seventh month gestation another in the early eighth. They were fully formed babies. Small and quite frail, but babies. They are now stunning young women. This girl seems very cosseted.

[@rainierablan7240]

reality against an excuse for murder....this lady clearly know what is right but refuses to answer honestly....many people are so lost nowadays...and was driven by forces of evil in guise of being good just and kind..GOD BLESS US ALL!! Sad times......

[@Ryro-os2cg]

These people are sick! They're essentially killing children and we sit here debating with them instead of seriously punishing them 🙄

[@jonbarrass9598]

🤣 if she wants an abortion it’s up to her!!! Glad it’s legal in the UK

[@unclem7816]

We have the right rules for abortion in the uk. This woman killed a viable child because she couldnt be bothered to look after it. She killed a child who could have made a childless couple happy, who may have solved cancer, who could have prevented someone going unloved. Deserves years in jail. We do not do deterants well enough in this country.

[@CaptainoftheCs]

Absolving oneself of responsibility by killing their own child. And it’s not a crime.

[@truthbetold818]

this woman absolutely sh*t me up. When she said 'Abortion is healthcare'. Everyone should have a platform to say their opinion, but It's truly terrifying people like this are given a platform.

[@richardwebb9532]

Murder is murder. Ending a human life at any stage is murder.

[@jackimbirski1695]

This woman arguing for killing children shouldn’t be given air time.

[@fiona8870]

Whilst I support a woman's right to choose, Janey Starling is condoning the murder of babies ! How disgusting and terrifying is that ? This was premeditated murder and I would have locked that woman up for much longer. She had to give birth to that baby anyway so why did she feel that murder was the answer ? Would we seriously deem her as a fit mother ? As soon as that baby is viable, no abortions should be legal unless the mother's life is at risk or the baby has serious medical conditions !!! Poor, poor baby. RIP little one 😪

[@ragingshibe]

This I think is the main fundamantal issue with the pro-choice movement: as the movement props up women's rights, it has came at the cost of empathy towards babies. Where an unborn baby at least 6 months into a pregnacy is traditionally seen as a living and breathing human being, the pro-choice movement is trying to (willingly or unwillingly) change that and make us see a baby at the cusp of being born as just a cluster of cells (only it has a face). Where a baby kicking inside a mother's womb is traditionally seen as a beautiful sign of a new life about to be born, the pro-choice movement is trying (intentionally or unintentionally) to make it a mere nuciance and burden to women.

[@InterstellarDreams]

This woman is completely out of touch with reality, and her smile comes across as disconnected and psychopathic. Thank you for being so reasonable about this issue too, Julia! I very much agree with you. I think we can debate, as a society, for exactly how long it makes sense to permit abortions. And if there should be exceptions, with whatever deadline we've set. But there has to be a limit! It certainly can't be allowed in the 8th or 9th month! This woman sounds like she's just reciting mantras, without having taken in the consequence of what she is saying. I see myself as a feminist, too. Which is part of why I think abortion rights are important. But.. not to the point where we are talking about a viable, almost fully grown baby! The extremists on BOTH side of this issue get it wrong! It is not: "it's either a baby IMMEDIATELY, or it's an insignificant fetus RIGHT up until the moment it leaves the womb." It is a lump of cells, that becomes a fetus, that gradually, over time, becomes a baby! And there is no ONE set moment where that happens! Which is exactly what makes this issue so tricky! But.. leave it to both religious conservatives AND utter lunatics without a conscience, such as this woman, not to get that! Aborting a fully viable baby in the 8th month..? Is indeed MURDER! If you're against infanticide..? Why would you not also be against that? And if you're a feminist..? Why wouldn't your feminism also include that baby, if it's a girl? (Not that boys don't matter. But.. they're not what feminism is about.) I don't believe in the kind of "feminism" that exempts women from ALL responsibility, and says we should be able to make COMPLETELY immoral choices, and if we're not, that's just sexism, or "oppression"! It's not oppression! It's being held accountable, in ways that bloody damn should be expected of any mature adult! Got pregnant by accident..? Then you've got a certain time window to have an abortion, if you don't want it! That time window should be reasonable, so that any woman has ample time to figure it out, and take that action if she deems it necessary! But if you choose NOT to abort before then..? You have made a choice, and choices have CONSEQUENCES! There is absolutely NO goddamn reason why you should be able to change your mind, and kill a baby during month 8, due to some selfish whim! This isn't feminism. It is EXTREME narcissism! Immoral, unconscionable, MURDEROUS narcissism! This woman isn't right in the head, and she is obviously missing a moral compass. But she uses feminism to justify it. Which is extremely harmful to us ALL! And to the case of actual, REASONABLE abortion rights, that are not about murdering fully viable babies! Yikes. :/

[@craiglewis8991]

This woman should be in JAIL with the woman who killed her baby....FACTS

[@johanvandijk6058]

Contrast this woman's view with the anguish of the parents of two students murdered in Nottingham. Strictly limited abortion should be permissible on defined health grounds, of the unborn infant and the mother in a the short time permitted now. To kill as a lifestyle choice is morally reprehensible.

[@gdfggggg]

When I was a little boy I could remember being in the womb. She didn’t have to do that. She could have given the baby to a family that can’t have kids.

[@jaylawson9874]

What a sickening point of view.

[@paulbrunet2903]

She's disgusting. 28 months in prison for killing your unborn child is a disgrace!

[@hilarylazard7554]

Having a baby is not just health care! This woman is without any morals. The murder of a child should be a crime. And yes, the mother who killed her child deserves a prison sentence.

[@thehazelnutspread]

How traumatic would it be for the siblings to realize that mommy killed one of the kids because it was inconvenient? I think it would be a pretty friggin big deal.

[@mrpickles680]

This woman needs her lap top taken away and to spend a day in a clinic seeing what late stage abortion looks like and what effect it has on people.

[@frdsg8350]

There is nothing more repulsive to me as a guy as a woman talking about how disposable and indifferent they are to a baby, even their own. Evil.

[@yasdnilknarf1885]

Why was she not or her partner not on contraception? The child did not just die. The child was murdered. Abortion was never meant to be late term contraception, to deal with extremely poor decision making.

[@michaelbrunsdon8938]

People are beginning to realise they are far more pro-life than they previously thought

[@PeregrineFisher]

Healthcare - the maintaining and restoration of health by the treatment and prevention of disease especially by trained and licensed professionals (as in medicine, dentistry, clinical psychology, and public health) Abortion is not restoring health.

[@MMNewsUK]

Shouldn't the doctor that performed the abortion be charged as well?

[@mansar172]

This interviewer is spot on. However, the woman shouldn't be sent to jail. She should have got suspended sentence.

[@lallalucas4145]

1. Why did she wait so long, she could have had a legal one in time. 2. She could have had it adopted Janey is psychopathic, and she is smirking while she talks about infanticide

[@DrJams]

Changed? No. In fact we are seeing more babies live at even earlier premature births