Just a Silly Little Cooking Anime 🥰 (I promise) | Delicious In Dungeon Episode 17 Breakdown

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____Video Contents____
00:00 - Intro
00:44 - Designated Nitpicking Session
01:19 - Harpies Show Up
03:17 - Hooray Falin is Back!
04:18 - Akira Amemiya
05:15 - Yoshitaka Mano
07:00 - Adaptation Notes
08:40 - WOAH, HEY!
10:05 - SUSHiO
11:10 - Laios VS Shuro
12:59 - uuuuhhhhh some more stuff.
13:49 - Conclusion

[@DNGNDriver]

Emily Rudd's delivery of that "WHOA! HEY!" is deserving of an oscar tbh. Peak "not in front of these idiots!" energy

[@greeninferno1339]

Emily Rudd?????

[@norasyikinali6283]

​@@greeninferno1339 she's Marcille's VA.

[@YeesaurusRex]

"Only I'm allowed to see that!"

[@sorasora1477]

indeed even tho i am a fan of eng sub .. but when I hear her saying that one line I burst out laughing xD

[@ririko_asakura]

That scene was so perfect to break off the excess tension that had built up. The delivery of the line made it better. 😂😂😂

[@powernade]

My absolute favorite thing about the fight is how Falin's human body is animated as Leading her movements. The way she twists before the tail strike, or moves her shoulders in anticipation of her wings...it looks so COOL! And on top of that, it actually takes time both to move parts of a body that large, as well as send the signals through the nervous system that call for that motion. This is an example of Falin's human parts, being smaller, also being "ahead" of her new draconic body. Love it so much.

[@sorasora1477]

laios when he read your comment: Are YoU oNE oF MY PeoPle O: ?? !!

[@powernade]

@@sorasora1477 I am in fact...one of his people

[@boss5718]

My personal favorite example of this is when she winds back her arm while her wing does the same only moments after, and that even though the doesn’t ball her hand into a fist, the claw on her wing does it instead. Honestly I kinda wish Laios hadn’t interrupted. I love seeing winged characters actually using them like arms

[@StonetheDestroyer42]

Her expressions are also inedible. Hauntingly full of rage. That comes from Kui, but the animators did a good job of carrying the momentum of her expressions through each shot. And I especially liked the shift in expression from interest to rage when Kuro bit her hand. I also just noticed her eyes are wide open the whole time. Perhaps her eyesight is better as a dragon? Or the dragon part made her forget how to squint to see better?

[@powernade]

@@StonetheDestroyer42 I don't remember where, probably from the Adventurer's Bible, but I think it's confirmed her eyesight is much better post resurrection.

[@amino5453]

i love how kabru removes his armor to better pull off a sneak attack, attacks the throat first in an attempt to prevent verbal components of spellcasting, and chooses to engage after he has gleaned information from his teammate's attacks. so much packed into one character without an exposition dump.

[@swampjawn]

Very true

[@DanS044]

And he just straight disappears from the audience’s perspective, he vanishes, nobody looks at him, he’s not in the background of any frames. This psychopath waited and crept up on the beast to deliver that horrifying assassination. Psychopath. I love him.

[@victorrq6826]

Falin: hehe.... *glomps you* UwU :3 The multiple people crushed beneath her: 💀

[@bachtrinh8783]

Suddenly the internet just into mosterfucker and / or chicken breast

[@troggdorthesecond]

Degenerates: God I wish that was me.

[@taylancatsaregood4294]

I hate you ❤

[@helton3425]

"Hits you with a Claw" Why R u Bleeding ...

[@32.baotin22]

UwU feeling cute *brutally mutilate you*

[@rosenrot234]

Folks trying to be mad at Falin when shes just enjoying all the new enrichment in her enclosure

[@fumiiemifuu3429]

ikr god forbid women have hobbies

[@yaphetgreen0222]

just like that bear eating the ducklings in its enclosure..... all those chicken nuggets.... just passing by...

[@rosenrot234]

@@yaphetgreen0222 Or when tigers at a nice zoo get a big new pool and some sick ass toys to play with in it. Its so fun watching a big cat get the zoomies.

[@thegreatmajora5089]

The shot of chimera Falin escaping is insane to me. Do you know how impressive it is to nail acting this frantic on a design like this ? The way it claws at the wall and fails to get a hold on it at first, the weight of it all… I had to rewind the episode a few times to get over how good it looks. Also, I think it’s a great character design detail (or creature design ?) how much more gaunt and boney the dragon part of Falin looks compared to the red dragon, it really lends to this idea of something not meant to exist.

[@user-wg1fp4zn6s]

Kui is famous for little details

[@mayonnaisesamurai]

Yesss this is my favourite scene from this ep!! The additional grasping and falling bricks added in the anime scene gives chimera Falin so much weight/enormousness

[@Samir3to3]

The lean body of the new dragon form is particularly attributable to the fact that mad mage had considerably less dragon flesh to construct the chimera body to begin with since a significant amount of dragon meat was consumed by Laios party and revive Falin. The situation was so dire that mad mage called in additional meat stacked by Senshi for future consumption that promptly came rolling into the blood pool --- one of the biggest laugh out moments of that episode!!!

[@THES3ACALLS]

yes i love her chimera design!! i get a bit sad knowing she looks so much skinnier than the red dragon, poor girl hasn't been eating well at all... get her some rabbit curry!!!!

[@whatthehellisthisname]

that whole sequence made her seem even scarier

[@Akeche]

I just really love the EN dub in general, and find Emily Rudd's very breathy "nasally" voice for Marcille to be charming. It really emphasizes how much of a dork she actually is.

[@Vespuchian]

I’ve been watching the JP dubbed version almost entirely because I prefer Senshi’s voice in that one but the English cast has been very good for the whole show. It’s been neat to compare scenes in both languages to see how line delivery can change which jokes come out stronger.

[@azukizukisan]

like i kind of like that she's singsongy most of the time, but only most: it's an affectation!

[@kevs94]

I appreciate the entire segment based on just the different dubs of Marcille's reaction to Falin taking off her shirt.

[@lordfreiza1]

Woah hey!

[@j-bonkers1887]

Truly one of the Highlights of the episode!

[@draghettis6524]

Italian's "No Falin, non farlo" ( means "No, Falin, don't do it" ) was very well delivered

[@jorgecortes3789]

Shoutout to Saori Hayami (Falin VA) because she nailed this episode, even when she had almost no lines, just with all the growls and rage noises, it makes the transition from regular cute soft falin to her dangerous chimera form all the more powerful

[@jorgecortes3789]

Also great video, specially the laios autism section. Not because a character doesn´t look at the camera and say "hey guys i got diagnosed autism" means it´s not there

[@ririko_asakura]

Fr. Saori Hayami is a real legend in dubbing. She just grunts and screams and makes inhumane noises but the emotion shows. I admire her so much.

[@realpapayahours3232]

Dude her roar when casting that big ass spiky aoe spell was like my favorite moment in the whole episode

[@ririko_asakura]

@@realpapayahours3232 right??? Even if it was accompanied by something else, she managed to make such. It was impressive.

[@BobbinRobbin777]

@@jorgecortes3789 Case & point: Asa Mitaka.

[@youraftermyrobotbee]

I am definitely Laiospilled because not only do I think all the monster food looks delicious, I also think the horrific mutated Falin looks cool as fuck

[@Dragoniiia]

same.

[@ViviBuchlaw]

​@@DragoniiiaDragoniiia likes the dragon? Colour me shocked!

[@LilyCat2399]

Same

[@ActuallyRocatex]

don't worry guys, I PROMISE theres no deeper themes to this anime, "wow dungeon meshi food looks so good" yep thats all there is to it don't you worry a bit :)

[@andrewsuryali8540]

This anime has the best underlying theme of all. Eating is good, enjoying your food is great, and you gotta eat if you wanna be happy. Eating is happiness itself! The Winged Lion approves! After all, he's the greatest gourmand of them all.

[@samdal420]

​@@andrewsuryali8540 Winged lion approved™ 😭

[@samdal420]

Wow I sure *_d e s i r e_* to see the episodes yet to come

[@Alacaelum]

Life is the best spice.

[@MylesJacobSwie]

My partner is autistic and has informed me on so many things that they've struggled with in regards to interactions with people. For them, the scene between Laios and Shiro hit extremely close to home, as they had lost many friends who admitted to them the same things. That they had tried to "drop hints" that they didn't like my partner, but never just directly told them. After learning about all they've gone through, you summarized so well about how Laios associates himself with monsters more than people. My partner has explained to me that throughout their life, they often times called themselves other creatures, such as Goblin, as it felt more fitting than being a human. I just wanted to express that I really appreciated you pointing that out, as for people who are neurodivergent, a lot of those smaller struggles go unknown and get almost no representation.

[@THES3ACALLS]

thank you for pointing out toshiro's background!! a lot of people seem to think his fight with laios is purely a "autistic man who can do no harm gets bashed for being autistic" moment when really its such a bare bones analysis. both of them struggle with communication, both of them are acknowledging that through fists and shouts, and both of them end it on a better note. they never TRULY hated each other and i don't like how this scene made a lot of people villainize toshiro and subsequently baby laios purely because of his autism being seen as an excuse for anything remotely bad about him. they're so nuanced, i wish more people approach them with open minds

[@cassdraws06]

yeah, I think one flaw that people have when takling about this scene is posing one method of communication as better than the other when, for each person, the one they've learnt is usually the best. i think the anime and manga do a great job expressing both perspectives as right, but with flaws. It's not that Laios is wrong or that Toshiro is wrong, but that they clashed.

[@bassbusterx]

Leave it to people online to have the shallowest discourse ever

[@Homodemon]

People get way too emotional over anime characters and project their baggage onto them to feel even more outraged Honestly within the discourse, I've seen so many people unpromtedly start to vent about their shitty experiences to try and villianize Shuro even further like "Uugh my shitty friends always said this to me, and I hate them so much" like Jesus Christ, why do I need to know this?????? I swear to god being autistic will forever remain a bad meme on the internet

[@whatthehellisthisname]

you know what's also underrated? seeing characters's jaws animated as they speak or yell, I feel like it gives a lot more nuance to the conversation and more emotionality. this was easily my favorite episode so far and the suspense was greater than the dragon fight imo.

[@swampjawn]

Good point!

[@Mochi-id3rq]

I think this episode especially had many small details, and i ADORE. One detail i love is that when Kabru stabbed Failn, he twisted his knife to give her more fatal damage. This could be done only by someone who knows how to effectively damage humans very well.

[@WoodTrose]

I relate so much to Laios in this episode especially. Particularly he part during his and Shuro's fight when it's emphasized that if you don't tell him something directly, he will likely not understand it. It's so frustrating when someone assumes that you catch on to something, but your brain struggles to see those cues.

[@beatrixthegreat1138]

*hugs* we’re Laios! And I do actually eat monsters in D&D….

[@Strix2031]

Right? I hate when people are just not clear with stuff or assume you will get it and then i have to ask a question that seems extremely obvious to everyone

[@shounenfury]

I can't believe he's apologizing for the video being "too long"... Can you just unapologetically rant at me about every frame? Trust me, no one will complain. If anything there are points I wish were covered that weren't mentioned. Tho I attribute this more to the sheer density of high points and fascinating details in the episode, it wouldn't be reasonable to expect one person to cover EVERYTHING. So do all you're able and willing to do. This channel rocks.

[@j-bonkers1887]

Agreed

[@enderesting]

if this show was 30 minutes or 1 hour long i will sit here and drink it all up anyway. its so nice to fully experience the show again under intricate lens! of course this applies to mr swamp's work at the same time. churning out analysis weekly is NOT easy

[@DanS044]

Comments like these are important. And I like them. About the channel and the creator’s performance. I think this video was a perfect example of how this series should be made

[@DanS044]

I loved this video

[@JustCJson]

true asf

[@coraline2770]

Kabru would dominate in a office setting

[@pluddingcupp9783]

So many friendships would be broken so much drama would start

[@coraline2770]

@@pluddingcupp9783 he would be so engrossed on all the office life it would be scary

[@Mauricio0973]

He would be so powerful.

[@lorek33perandfriends47]

Thank u so much for that breakdown of Laios and Toshiro’s fight. It was one of the most impactful scenes in the manga for me, and im so glad they did it justice. The moment it goes from “oh haha, Laios is a goofy autistic guy with a weird special interest” to “oh this is a direct commentary on how hostile society is towards autistic people, how it alienates us and makes us feel inhuman or monstrous” (and how hostile japanese culture in particular can be for autistic people) Also that line “you don’t talk, you don’t eat, why have a mouth at all?” seriously feels like the crux of the story, and it’s just a damn good line too.

[@ollie_acorn]

The fight between Laios and Shuro is just art, Really hits me in my autistic heart. Peak writing wtf.

[@Mello-td6vt]

same here

[@arabellasterwerf7980]

Same for me!!

[@mwcshk113]

I really love the way Laois' autism is represented in the show. Theyre not trying to sugarcoat it or be avoidant about it or even make it seem like he should be ridiculed for it. Its just part of his character and theres nothing wrong about it, if anything the "normal ones" (ie shuro and kabru) were the ones being depicted to have somewhat abnormal personalities.

[@mikado_m]

The 11:53 'good autism moment for Laios' gave me a giggle

[@DNGNDriver]

Laios is the archetype of White Man Autism(tm)

[@burntbeanies7886]

Seeing Falin scale that wall SCREAMED Ghibli vibes to me I'm so glad you also agree with that. The desperation and strenght to haul such a heavy new body is incredible. I lovedddd this episode god it was so amazing.

[@Gorfinhofin]

Totally agree about Falin running away being reminiscent of No Face. I was watching it thinking "Why does this feel like Ghibli?" Also, for some reason the ending of this episode with them walking off into a dark corridor reminded me of Over The Garden Wall.

[@flip269]

To me it was so funny that the music made it feel like Falin riping off the shirt was the climax of the episode, not at point of the fight bur like the whole episode was made just for that moment Probably the episode with the best action and comedy yet

[@azukizukisan]

visually/symbolically it's kind of like....a deep rejection of the idea that there's anything 'Human' about Falin in that moment. maybe not a climax, but a key beat.

[@a_Certain_Scientific_Absurdist]

You didn't even mention Kabru's one-second flashback when Laios offers him an omelette. But there are so many interesting things there)))

[@j-bonkers1887]

good point!

[@THES3ACALLS]

yesss!!! when i first read that in the manga, i was so shocked seeing how his backstory was just laid out in the background out of context. it honestly made me more intrigued about his character more than i already am. i cant wait for when his backstory gets animated, I'll get SO annoying lol

[@calebc5124]

Poor Kabru. Think you're the MC, but then your tragic backstory is condensed to a few seconds to make your trauma eating harpy eggs funnier.

[@LilyCat2399]

I have not read the manga and noticed that!!! I was like wtf slow down what happened to kabru with harpies!!!!???

[@Homodemon]

Kabru's old village was completely devastated by a Dungeon growing onto the surface and spilling it's monsters whom started eating everyone, he was the sole survivor, then he was taken in by the elves and raised by one who dotted excessively on him due to being human and he swore to make all dungeons and monsters disappear. He hates monsters. And he despises Laios. There. Just read the damn manga already, is out there for free.

[@Joysweeper]

Shuro reads to me as generally having social anxiety, especially in the bonus materials. I've been in both characters' positions and I'm sympathetic to both of them! When someone's all over you and won't leave you alone, and you try to softly say not now give me some space without hurting their feelings and they don't hear you, and don't even say your name right... and then they get mad, that's rough. I'm in a situation like that now, actually, with a coworker who's gone and told me stories about getting back at people who've been rude to them and it's just really argh. The idea that there's one way to communicate that is good and right and all others are obviously horrible and only favored by people who are Just Wrong is simply not correct. Sometimes you get a mismatch that's just unfortunate for multiple parties and not the product of malicious intent.

[@jiffy-jef]

Yeah, that's very well said. The two have very very different communication styles. Hopefully from now on they can communicate better.

[@LilyCat2399]

Yes I'm autistic and sympathise with Toshiro and Laios in this episode. Though I relate more to laios overall.

[@marethyuplays544]

I’m happy you mentioned the sound design on falin’s spell, the way they mixed the vocals really accentuates the power of the spell, and I haven’t heard anyone talking about it, so thanks!

[@LittlePrincess101]

This episode is my favorite because of Falin's horrorifying scream, Falin's cool creature design and because of *Falin causing Marcel & Shuro to almost BUST.*

[@ScrubbinOpti]

I have to agree. This is my favorite episode so far. I'd imagine that's the case for a lot of people since it's absolutely packed with some of the most stand-out moments. Laios and Shuro's fight has to be my favorite moment of the manga, as it hits close to home, having lost friends because I couldn't pick up on their social cues. Even with that beautiful moment of storytelling, the next episode will cover my favorite chapters of the manga, so I'm excited.

[@J001D]

The whole episode was a roller coaster of emotions, I really don't remember another show that has made me feel horror and then laugh in a span of 20 minutes, I really am happy to be able to enjoy this show.

[@gammabytez]

seeing this video and everyone’s thoughts on the episode is making me so excited to see how anime-only dunmeshi enjoyers react to the rest of the story. this episode was so good

[@Arvyn992]

For me the fight between Liaso and Shiro it looked like they're still friends when they fought because they didn't hit each other that hard but it still can be felt then their punches and kicks

[@hyobro8392]

Yes they're still on good terms, it was more about letting it out because Toshiro was repressing all of it and acting like he was fine in their relationship

[@TheLeafcuter]

If they were fighting to do damage, I'd imagine at least one of them would've brought out a weapon, so the fact that it stayed at just fists and kicks means that they didn't want to seriously hurt the other, just let out their frustrations on each other.

[@nevvil]

One of my favorite animated moments was the result of the lightning spell making Falin topples over stiffly, its a little goofy but also shows that the spell really locked up this larger complex form she is in.

[@trayhl]

This episode was GREAT! I think it may be my favorite one now... That said: SPOILERS*********** 1- I got curious about when EXACTLY kensuke changed in the anime. It was in the previous episode, when kensuke was attacked by the dungeon cleaners; you can see the lion starting to form. I don't remember if this was in the manga or not, thought it was interesting. 2- The AUDACITY of Shuro to call Laios dense and unaware when he fricking PROPOSED to FALIN! Girl thinks he is a coworker/brother best friend AT BEST. 3- It's HILARIOUS to me how, immidiately resolving the misunderstanding with Shuro, Laios makes a "new friend" in Kabru with the same misunderstanding => One tlerates the other while the other genuinely appreciates the friendship. =p 4- Laios sees Falin, thinks it's cool. Immideately critiques the creature design => "SO COOL... That said it has too many unecessary parts. Has feathers AND scales?" Falingon is overdesigned 🤣 5- Finally: Everyone that survived is/were at Laios party, or saved by a member of Laios party => Chilchuck hid with Mickbell beneath Senshi's pan; Holm heard Marcile warning and protected himself.

[@sillylittlefurcula]

as someone who never read the manga and only started watching because of how enthusiastic people seemed online, this episode made me audibly gasp multiple times. I'm starting to understand what's so special about this story. and thank you for sharing more of your thoughts on Laios, you showed me a side of him that I didn't appreciate nearly enough! that will change from now on

[@beccam796]

I’ve been looking forwards to this bit of the adaptation for a while - the chimera fight really delivers, but I’m super glad the human interactions of the latter half got the spotlight they deserved. The fight between Laios and Shuro is painfully relatable, and it’s rare to see something that feels so real (I’ve definitely been in both of their shoes before) while still being sympathetic to both sides.

[@SPofSaturnProduction]

I love the graceful yet frightening shots of Falin; they are just so beautiful. And yea the fight between Shiro and Liaos was something, all the feels.

[@ComradeBender]

What annoys me the most about Shuro in this episode - he proposed to Falin without even trying to talk with Laios. Yes, he is shy and cant really talk about feelings properly, its not his sin, its just who he is, but it still bugs me. What was he thinking? "The woman i am in love with is really close with her brother, who i hate, but who likes me and doesn't know that i hate him. Would Falin be upset? Would i suffer and make our possible relationship worse by "tolerating" her brother? Should i solve this BEFORE proposing? naaah, nevermind". That was waaaay more childish and poorly planned than most of things Laios did. also, great content. My favorite content about Dungeon Meshi. I was so surprised when i saw that you have 14k subs. You deserve few hundred thousands more. But when i watched the first episode and you had below 1000 - well, i am glad this channel grows so fast. I wonder what are you planning to do after the season's end. Any chance for Frieren? Also sorry for my english.

[@jakirachan]

9:36 biblically accurate marcielle

[@tuiteyfruity5010]

Laios thought he had made a friend and was devastated to find he had been wrong and been rude to someone he thought was his friend!!! It hurt to watch, but I’ve never seen such amazing representation of the autistic experience on screen before 😭 Thank you for the breakdown of the scene and how the autism and Japanese social constructs clashed so brutally. Also Toshiro has some rose colored glasses for Falin. She’s autistic too but she’s just shy. Think about her at school she’s the “weirdo” who plays with dirt. And the moment Marcille is nice to her the flood gates kinda open. She infodumps about the dungeon she found and (spoilers below for the manga) She starts to bring random bugs and plants to Marcille to show her and is very disruptive. Toshiro wouldn’t have been able to handle that. Poor man.

[@KatKatKatKatKatKatKatKatKat]

Exactly. Falin and Laios are extremely similar. Just Falin is more reserved. Yet Laios gets so much hate all the time.

[@BigBadWolframio]

It also shows that the way girls and boys are brought up also have an impact on how their autism shows, to the point of being so underdiagnosed in women.

[@fumiiemifuu3429]

tbf tho toshiro does enjoy bugs so when he saw falin being gentle to one, i think it was the reason why hes already head over heels for her

[@tossingturnips]

I loved that the Laios and Shuro fight started off punches across the face, but devolves into hair pulling and face pushing. It really gives it a tone of a fight between siblings. Also, thank you for calling out those kinds of comments that try to ignore and de-emphasize the subtext between Marcille and Falin.

[@vincentmokujin8117]

Respectfully, I think he went over the line by being condescending towards people who are rightfully tired of this ship being forced on them by a certain subset of the community. As someone who has read the manga multiple times you can believe me when I say that there is far more evidence that Marcille is not romanticlly interestedin Falyn than there are. In a previous post I have already mentioned that I would not have problem with people shipping if they were not so toxic about insisting it's an undisputed fact. As for our green armadillo friend... by also insisting that Farcile must be canon without even entertaining the counter arguments and instead belittling comments, I have to call into question his observational skills for the rest of the show. Who is to say that he also did not emblemish other points he made in his videos. Unfortunate loss of credibility and I really hate to say it because I still believe he is a talented individual.

[@sandersystreams123]

Nobody is forcing anything onto you. You just have a different headcanon to the rest of the fandom. It happens. No need to play victim about it.

[@mariaantonia-op8qc]

@@vincentmokujin8117 Also respectfully (no sarcasm), even if you don't like the ship or simply doesn't interpret their scenes as romantic I think is just as condescending to try and imply they aren't deliberately written in a way that can be read as that. Farcille is the biggest ship in the fandom for valid reasons, it is a reasonable interpretation of their relationship to say that they do have feelings for each other even if nothing ends up happening between the two. There's plenty of toxic shippers like in every fandom, yes, but I feel most people get defensive about the ship precisely because it IS presented in the narrative as a clear possibility so it's tiresome to see people saying it isn't meant to be read that way, and that it's somehow a wrong interpretation just because they don't ship it. I get that it's also tiresome to have a ship don't care about being pointed out all the time and have your own interpretation of their relationship being platonic being beaten down, I get it, but I must also ask that you understand that the signs are there, they are in the dialoge, in the framing, in the character's actions, so even if you don't interpret it that way I don't think it's fair call into question the observational skills of people for noticing those signs and pretend they are seeing things that don't exist. Anyway, hope you have a good day.

[@vincentmokujin8117]

@@mariaantonia-op8qc First of all, thank you for being civil. It is refreshing after the vitriol I got from Farcille shippers at various other platforms. Sandersystreams123 might say I'm playing victim right now, but I truly believe that my past experience with just about anybody who ships these two characters is a big part of why I genuinely can't stand it. The other reason is that I simply see no indication in the story that it is true. As you mentioned maybe I really miss interpreted some of the scenes and if you would indulge me, I would be interested if you could list the examples you believe are a genuine giveaway. For now let me list the parts that have convinced me that there is no romantic attraction between them. The definitive example in my mind is the succubus chapter. If Marcille was truly in love with Falin, how come the succubus transformed into General Halleus, a character from one of the love novels Marcille reads? The latest omake revealed the characters name and now we also definitively know the characters gender since it's hard to tell with elves being androgynous. The other important one is at the end when Marcille is drowning and her life flashes before her eyes. The last image she thinks of is both Touden siblings, not just Falin. That to me implies she cares about them on the same level. To that end there is a minor example from within the Golden Land arc where Marcille is shown being flustered while showin Laios the dress. And now for the actual reason why I really don't like this ship. To me it undermines Marcille as a character. Allow me to explain. One of the defying characteristics of Marcille is her fear of outliving the people she cares about. To me the main driving force behind why she desperately wants to save Falin is not something as simple as love but something much more intricate, combination of different factors, chiefly her trauma. In my mind simple romance make Marcille so much less interesting and at the end of the manga I believe it is shown that Ryoko Kui thought so too. Because it's genuenly one of the best climaxes of a story I have read in a while. That's it. Sorry for the long post and thanks again for your civility. Like I mentioned I would be interested in your take. Have a nice day.

[@mariaantonia-op8qc]

@@vincentmokujin8117 I completely believe you when you say you got a lot of shit from shippers, people are REALLY passionate about shipping and get defensive pretty fast so it's fair for you to have a negative impression. I must be honest with you, I'm only reading the manga up to where the anime is adapting them so outside of the chapters covered by the anime I haven't read it. All I have to go by is what's shown in the anime and the incredible amount of spoilers I got, now counting with the spoilers I got from your reply as well dhsaudadsa, but I don't have any problem with spoilers at all, they make me more interested to see how the story gets to that point, so don't worry about it if you decide to reply again. This is going to be so long and I'm so sorry, but here is my take on why I, personally, really like this ship: I agree that if Marcille's motivations to save Falin were JUST romantic it would undermine her as a character, but that is what makes the ship SO GOOD, the fact that it isn't just that, that it isn't a easy, straightforward romance. Marcille's complicated relationship with death is so interesting and one of the things I'm most excited to see more of in the anime. Her fear of losing the ones she loves to time is so heart wrenching and her falling for someone with a shorter lifespan the same way her mother did, the anxiety of ending up just like her mother was when her father died... is a parallel and overall a concept I love to think about and feel would bring even more complexity to her character, not take from it, after all having complex fears and feelings and being able to confront and surpass them makes not only for a good romance, but for good character writing as well. Although It’s also why I don't feel any romance between these two is possible during the main story, since she's still learning how to deal with her fears in a healthy way. One thing I really love about this show as a whole too is exactly what you said happens when she's apparently drowning??? (another thing I didn't know and am looking forward to now dhaudasd) She cares about Laios JUST AS MUCH and I think that's both beautiful and doesn't take at all from the ship. If there's a trope I genuinely dislike with romance stories is when they make the love interest the only person that metters in the character's life, like this type of love is the most important, the only one that matters. Marcille loves her friends so much and she would do anything for the ones she loves, her feelings towards Falin being romantic or platonic doesn’t change that, I just think that if there were repressed romantic feelings for Falin on her part alongside that undeniable love she already has it would make for juicy conflict and character exploration outside of them just having good chemistry and being cute together, but again, any actual romance plot would have to happen after the story ends, the show isn't even about romance in the first place, it's just that the foundation for a possible romance IS there (Out of topic, but I'm not a fan of marcille with Laios romantically precisely because the story focuses on their bonding more, even if it sounds counter intuitive.I just prefer the main casts to focus on this familial love and bonding instead of having romance shoved in there. Falin and Marcille work for me because they already developed that bond in their school years and the story can explore their feelings for each other even with Falin being away most of the time just based on that foundation while also focusing on Marcille’s relationship with the others that are directly on scene with her, same for Laios and Falin's relationship, I love the siblings even Falin isn't there most od the time). On your other point, I don't think the succubus scene confirms there's no romantic feelings there either, I always hate getting into the discussion of the sexuality of characters when it isn't explicitly stated because it just turns into a endless fiesta of headcanons and projection, but I'll just say that it's normal for even lesbians with basically no interest in men at all to have fictional man crushes, Marcille could very well be Bi, or something else, but that doesn't matter as much, the main point for me is that it would make sense for a succubus to capitalize and transform into that idealized, unrealistic vision of a crush we have, it’s something that would immediately make you follow it without many questions and to me it makes more sense then using very conflicting feelings that would make someone stop and reflect about themselves and their fears (but again, I have NOT read this chapter just seen some images and memes so I could be wrong with how the succubus work, my bad). Now the second thing I wanted to talk about (I'm so sorry this is so long) Is how the story presents their relationship on camera, or manga panels in the case of the manga, because it also points to romance in a more subtle way. It isn't a novel fact that outside of what just happens on a scene the way it is presented also matters and changes our view on the actions done, well the thing is... they use a lot of signaling that is usually relegated to romance in the scenes with these two. To actually go into detail I would have to have the clips and images to show or else it would turn into even more yapping with me trying to detail a whole visual scene with just words, but to summarize: The way they focus so much on touch, a lot of times even slowing the scene to let it breathe for a moment and bring up the importance of the action; the way the point of view shots of them looking at each other is presented; the looks; the way they met and the flashbacks both to their academy days and to when they met again some years later and even the music used is VERY romance coded. I'm by no means a filmmaker, but I'm studying to be one so I would like to think I can spot these things. Just to finish things off, thank you very much if you actually read all that, I want you to know I'm not trying to change your thoughts on the ship, you can very much not like it for your reasons and not see it happening in any way, it isn’t canon after all, but it is fun to talk about these things and analyze characters. Again, thanks and sorry for the enormous reply.

[@greasysox]

I LOVE Emily rudd’s performance this episode especially that “woah hey falin”

[@cheychc]

the marcille/shuro frame is so funny, i never noticed the choice of putting them together LOL. really been enjoying the videos! thanks for all your analysis!!

[@Celosmash]

I literally rewound to watch "Woah! Hey!" 4 times in my first watch. Meme-ishly infectious.

[@KatieAngelWitch]

Falin is gorgeous as a beast and you know I never noticed Shuro there but you're right it being him and Marcille staring as Falin shows off her Mexico t-shirt underneath the white shirt really helps nail home that they both feel the same about her. Except Marcille gets to actually pull her by virtue of school friends and a long relationship in contrast to a FantasyJapanese dude that can't say shit. Truly everyone is fueled by their own special kind of autism. Seeing them play Among Us next week is going to be silly.

[@idontlikeyourburger6752]

Oh man referring 'Among Us' to the next episode made me giggle

[@idontlikeyourburger6752]

can't wait to see 'handsome' face senshi

[@VoidStaresback]

​@@idontlikeyourburger6752And yassified Marcille!

[@belldrop7365]

Honestly I only just see it as marcille shouting for modesty's sake exactly for reasons why shuro has a red face, the usual anime gag. I still can't see the ship between her and falin, and I read my yuri mangas.... Or maybe that's exactly why.

[@elsesome2707]

​@@belldrop7365 You were robbed for Marcille blushing ear to ear in that same panel as she is desperately yelling for Fallin to retain some modesty.

[@LookIamcommenting]

Never apologize for video length, because every moment of these is a delight, haha. (Though from an editing and sanity perspective I totally get why you'd wanna keep some brevity). Loved that little gag of Business Casual Kabru. (And general appreciation for your jokes/commentary on him in these videos overall, because they very much give the impression that you've got a solid grasp of his character, even when you're keeping things spoiler-free. The manga is pretty slow and deliberate revealing what his whole deal is and he's constantly lying through his teeth, so his motives and personality are often misunderstood, even by people who finished the manga).

[@Zinervawyrm]

I've been constantly looking for your breakdown all week. I love how your videos of this show isn't just a simple recap but a breakdown of animation and storytelling. It's honestly the most unique review channel I've ever come across.

[@forest-goddess]

the laios toshiro fight is one of my fav scenes in the whole manga! i'm not autistic, but i love a lot of people who are, and the scene really hits when you've (accidentally) hurt someone in the same way toshiro (also accidentally) hurt laios.

[@Aurye_D.Vermilion]

It's funny that in one panel Laios says how problematic chimeras are, in this case in the drawing where he draws the chimera Falin, but he thinks they're cool, and adds another head to his chimera after the encounter with Scylla.

[@dolphin64575]

"Sorry it's so long" I WOULD JOIN PATREON FOR EXTENDED CUTS. I LOVE your analyses, please don't apologize for how long these videos are! ❤

[@azukizukisan]

oh yeah hot damn i'd pay money for extended cuts too. it's more work to have a longer vid AND a shorter cut of it though so....we'll have to make it worthwhile

[@maizen1335]

As cool as chimera Falin is, I was actually more excited to finally see the Laios/Toshiro fist fight, and I was not disappointed lol

[@asher6150]

I love this episode so much. I was excited to see what you had to say about it! The animation was incredible I was hypnotized. They really did honor Ryoko Kui's work, the Falin scene was so good.

[@Treegona]

The fight between Laios and Shuro is such a mood. I have BEEN THERE. Also: Very fun to see different people who haven't read all of DM react to Laios' thoughts on Falin being a monster. I am sitting Very Still and Saying Nothing. Unfortunately, it's very unlikely that the anime will get to see Kabru's true flop era. Here's to hoping for season 2!

[@SoftSpott]

"Reading comprehension tip: stop assuming things are accidental" THANK YOU!! So many people need to hear this.

[@dinkey321]

speaking of dubs, the french voice for thistle is so funny to me, he sounds like a grown man

[@sweetstarfish84]

You have quickly become one of my favourite KZbin channels and I hope you keep up the amazing work!

[@BigBadWolframio]

I get Laios so much in this episode. Falin looks cool as fuck (but it's hitting that this happened to her), and it's soulcrashing to see how much he loved Shuro while he secretly despised him. It's a fear I've had most of my life, although through bullying, learning to stick to "my people", and asking for clarifications I've learned to avoid it... But yeah. Just say something! If you raise that your other cues aren't working, just explain your problems! Laios is such a nice passionate guy, and it sucks how much judgement he gets while he's out there giving so much of himself.

[@THES3ACALLS]

the episode was so good and your analysis made it even better!! there's too many scenes in this episode that i liked, but ones that stood out to me the most is when kabru tried attacking falin. everytime he landed a hit i went "OUCH" and also "HELL YEAH" despite knowing his efforts are useless (well, not completely, the fact that it didn’t work is also good information!) other than that it's definitely the hurried sequence where falin tries to escape, the animation is just so heavy and frantic that it really feels like a very large creature is cornered and is trying to leave by clawing through everything. thank you for crediting the animators as well as the lovely commentary!

[@divisionpuff]

YESSS these videos are what I look forward to each week

[@blep226]

3:15 KILLED ME . love your breakdowns btw. As someone who studies animation its nice to see people actually appreciating the animation from such a close perspective. But it also makes me nervous for all the little mistakes I might make in the future XD

[@randomstranger5229]

"this was long, sorry about that" NO IVE BEEN GUZZLING YOUR CONTENT THE MORE THE BETTER AT THIS POINT (good job as always, love your attention to detail)

[@ziiia]

loooooooooove watching analysis from people that know and care about this series. insightful appreciation that's also super funny i loved this :)

[@mymyrttilo_]

when i was watching the fight/argument at around 11:12, I was trying my best not to cry.. As an autistic person I always grew up with people being angry at me and describing me just like how Shuro described Laios, that specific moment was so real to me and it's also another great example of Laios having to deal with the fact that he is neurodivergent (AT THIS POINT I CONSIDER HIM CANONICALLY AUTISTIC IDC) I also love the fact that they took his "silly autistic guy with a special interest" character trait a lot more seriously, and portrayed how someone in the neurodivergent spectrum might struggle in making friends and maintaining relationships in general anyways, great video !!! love your dedication and attention to detail :D

[@celeste2414]

4:36 KAIBA MENTIONED!!!!!!!!! OMG I WASN'T EXPECTING YOU TO GIVE IT A SHOUTOUT!

[@starsong3]

This has to be one of my favorite episodes now too. And watching the english dub was particularly fun. And yeah others have said this but I adore the details of how falin's human body moves and reacts with her additional anatomy! take as much time as you feel you can handle / feel these eps deserve, it's so incredibly interesting to hear your thoughts and insights!

[@DeadNotSleeping789]

My favorite part of this episode was when they fully revealed Falin's new form. They panned over what was originally a still frame in the manga, showing the monsters and the carnage but not giving your eyes the chance to fully look at it. In my mind, that really portrays how you might process a terrible scene like that in reality.

[@junejunejunejunejunejune1060]

man, watching these alongside the show is such a gift. i love these in depth episode analyses and im hoping that dandadan is lucky enough to get one, when it releases.

[@mildlyinfuriatedbird2557]

Boy TRIGGER really loved the jiggle physics on Falin for this one

[@dodo-uz4ct]

I'm just going to say this, Falin and Laios are cut from the same cloth. And Falin-Marcille relationship is similar to Laios-Shuro's, the difference is that Marcille completely accepted Falin affection and returns it.

[@BurkeDEV]

This channel is criminally underrated. Thanks for making these videos - this show is a goldmine of beautiful animation and to have it explored in detail is a lot of fun :)

[@hope7317]

i was so excited for you to cover this episode i was looking forwards to it so much

[@TheCrystalJules]

I've been refreshing your channel to see this video drop for the past few days since watching this episode and it was just as good as I knew it would be, great video!

[@jemleye]

Absolutely no problem with longer videos. If anything, I'd love seeing you take it even further and am actively hoping you will once the season is wrapped up and you don't need to worry about weekly releases to "be on time". I don't mind waiting another week for every breakdown, but I love how much your channel seems to have grown doing this, so congrats on that! Just don't over-exert yourself buddy ;)

[@uss_04]

That Peter griffin swap. Which is kind of funny considering the harpies

[@ririko_asakura]

Too long?? I can't get enough of your DunMeshi Analysis videos. Why would I complain. Anyway, this episode is probably my current favorite of this series. I love how the anime portrayed Falin in this mini-boss fight as someone so dangerous yet so beautiful. Her inhumane scream and the way her body moved looked and felt so large and intimidating, The interactions between Laios and Shuro and how different they saw things, and the way Kabru snapped when he said how many lives must be taken for this one person. The directing and the animation left me in awe. I love this episode so much.

[@holdmeclosertinyprancer]

I love most everything about this episode but there's one moment where it really dropped the ball for me, which is kabru's flashback when he gets offered the omelet. In the manga it's clear that it's the very real traumatic events he went though, but in the anime it happens too fast to absorb in a way that makes it almost comes off as a comical "character imagining random chaos to reflect the overreaction they're having to current events" gag. Even if it's one of the moments where it makes sense they wouldn't put in as much effort compared to the big action scenes it feels criminally sloppy compared to everything else.

[@SteveAkaDarktimes]

there's only so much budget man.

[@holdmeclosertinyprancer]

@@SteveAkaDarktimes (1) fully aware of that (2) I don't think that stuff should have been animated I just think it shouldn't have shot across the screen the way it did. Having the images fade in and out behind kabru would have been similarly simple and worked way better.

[@jvever4904]

Love this analysis! Even some of the character analysis you threw in there with the Laios and Toshiro fight.

[@neen2660]

I have been so excited for this video since the episode dropped. Thank you!!

[@kimiami]

3:47 cannot unheard damien from smosh voice when laois spoke hahahah

[@riceavarice]

Another exquisite script, this video lasts 5 more minutes and it felt like 20, greetings from Uruguay 🇺🇾🤝

[@saritaevarista9365]

This channel is an absolute gift 🩷

[@mrosa4802]

I was waiting for this breakdown ever since I saw the episode. It was so fun

[@Delta350]

why is everyone so slobbery when it comes to calling laios autistic but the second toshiro portrays it aint nobody online ever even heard of autism before

[@whatinthegoddamn2353]

I think its bc toshiros more an example of eastern/japanese social standards but i do agree i think theyre both autistic and toshiro just masks better

[@azukizukisan]

Even autism is culturally influenced, so I think a western audience literally can't see it Culture/race influences the assumptions people make about behavior

[@TheLeafcuter]

I think because the initial reaction of seeing Laios yell at Toshiro for never telling him was so cathartic to many of us. It's so easy to back down and say "Sorry, I didn't know..." when someone confronts you and tells you that you've been annoying because of your autism, even when in your head you feel that justified rage at the person for never telling you before it boiled over. So when Laios finally said what every autistic person has been feeling, we kind of focus on that feeling and on Laios instead of Toshiro. It could also be that autistic black-and-white thinking we so easily fall into. Since Laios is relatable he is good and in the right, and since Toshiro was really mean and did the thing of pretending to be his friend (which is a sore spot and a big fear of many autistic people), that must mean he's a stinky neurotypical and just a bad person. Speaking for myself here of course, but that was my initial reaction too. I was going "FUCK YEAH LAIOS, TELL HIM LIKE IT IS!" in my head - and that's even as someone who masks a lot. It's only when rewatching the scene, and reading discussions of it online, that I recognize that Toshiro is very likely also autistic and masking HEAVILY because of the culture he grew up in. I mean the fact that he couldn't read the room himself and recognize that Laios wasn't taking his hints is pretty strong evidence of that; as if he's learned his culture's social rules, how to apply them and follow them as a script, but he doesn't know what to do when he finds himself in a situation where it doesn't work. I think give it a moment for people to come back to the episode with fresh eyes and less turbulent emotions, and when discussing the scene with others online, don't come from a place of anger or annoyance at people for not immediately analyzing Toshiro. A lot of anime watchers also have not read the manga, and aren't privy to the parts of the story where Laios messed up too (like unintentionally using microaggressions against Toshiro). It's a very nuanced topic, which the internet at large is nutorious for boiling down to just being about bad guys and good guys.

[@azukizukisan]

@@TheLeafcuter I think one other important angle to consider is how Toshiro's not just struggling with inapplicable cultural scripts here, but how he grew up //with other people supporting him// WHICH WOULD INCLUDE COMMUNICATION. He have have never navigated a difficult friend conversation before in his life: either somebody did it on his behalf, or nobody dared to act that way. but it gives me a really warm feeling that, each in their way, they come away with more respect and understanding for the other. it's....a damaged relationship, but it's more sincere.

[@Homodemon]

People are god damn stupid that's why, and want to make up 100 excuses of why nothing is ever their fault and project all their shit on anime characters nad completely disregard that autism is not a fucking monolith

[@linglang854]

Never be sorry about the length!!!! always a joy to hear you talk more :)

[@theliato3809]

Action packed and heavy moments for cahracters.What a hell of an episode.

[@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth]

Can't wait for tomorrow! Best girlcat will soon be revealed!

[@flamethrowex]

one thing i sorta noticed, but i'm not sure if it's real or if i'm imagining it; during their fight, Shuro and Laios seemed to be animated just slightly differently. Shuro got things like exagerated impact frames, the camera following his movement a bit more, drawn out rebound, jump cuts, and so on, whereas Laios' hits back seemed to be laid out with a steadier frame-rate and consistent camera movement, and a plainer focus on his "improper" techniques like fish-hooking and hair pulling. In short... Shuro was being more formal and deliberately presented, whereas Laios was being blunter and more frank about his actions. ahh, parallels

[@Ash_Yu]

One detail I love about the animation this episode is how it's ambiguous whether or not Falin is attacking because of orders or because she is defending herself. Almost all of her actions are reactive, and she often looks confused at being attacked. The ninjas would've naturally attacked her on sight like the harpies, so it makes sense she'd kill them. But when Falin lands she's smiling and doesn't go after anyone else, they attack her first. We hear her cry out in pain when hit, and her eyes change form calm to angry before striking Kade with her tail. When she sees the kobald Falin actually reaches her hand out, almost as if she's about to pet a dog, before he bites her. In reaction her expression changes and its then she attacks him. With the undine she looks memorized by it's beauty, until it stabs her. So she of course stabs back. Falin's eyes go back to looking human when she's reaching out to Laios for help, but the attempt to reach back is cut short by Kabru. There's an argument Marcille understood Falin best when she said she's "just confused". An attempt to deescalate the situation may have prevented more deaths. 9:52 I appreciate this breakdown. I'm fully with you here and love this attention to detail

[@ayeayecaptain7591]

Been waiting for this since I watched the episode, and it did not disappoint!

[@okayyy423]

Personally I love Emily Rudds voice for Marcille, I think the reason why she derives from her real voice is because she’s putting on a front. She wants to come off as sophisticated and put together but she’s actually just a massive girl failure. That’s why when she was called a burden she quickly rushed to embarrass the party into apologizing. Instead of just being the mature one and resting. And also when she breaks that said front or ‘character’ her voice cracks and changes. She frequently does this in the show and it’s always my favorite to hear and see.

[@nxtlvlzeph]

I always look forward to your breakdowns just as much as I look forward to dunmesh thursday ❤

[@jaq_v0]

I love your insights on animation, and especially comparisons to live action film. The little bit about contrast and lighting reminded me a little of that one part in the jojo video and Miyazaki's simulated camera video, although those were obviously their own beasts. Taking another recommendation from Mr Jawn himself with tatami galaxy, thank you for all the hard work and free thoughtful analysis.

[@andrescalderonsanchez6515]

You forgot to mention Falin is a snake representing Laios envy Shiro's lust and Marceline's both

[@ViviBuchlaw]

Lmao 🤣

[@user-ik5gx9oz9i]

Didn't even notice Kensuke with that design change. Keen eyes

[@jiffy-jef]

Great great video! I really enjoyed watching this. I really appreciate the art of animation more after watching your videos!

[@stebst]

I've just been so impressed by this series much more than I've expected

[@nadyanathania3847]

Me who found the manga WHILE looking for cooking stuff: uuuuuuuuuh

[@bijoychandraroy]

Love your breakdowns, subbed

[@michlob2009]

Love your break downs

[@chloukscolor7905]

Another amazing breakdown!