Just Visiting

We had a rainy day schedule today so we thought we'd address a couple of subjects while Pat worked on his new saddle. The main subject had to do with the progression from the Missing Link Snaffle to the Western Bit versus the progression from the bosal to the Spade Bit. And of course, the importance of collection in both scenarios. I want to thank our new friend, Gabby, for the use of her DJI Osmo Pocket 3 which is what I used for this video. I hope to bring one along with us to France. It was sooooo easy to use and I think that the audio was pretty good even without an external mic. We'll test it outdoors when the weather clears up and use the DJI wireless mic that came with it. If you're new to the channel, I encourage you to check out the playlists that we've organized for you. I also encourage you to visit our website, www.thedisciplinedride.com . Please take a moment to hit the Like button, Subscribe to our channel, and Share with your friends. Thank you for watching!

[@JayWeight]

Excited about your beef adventure. Looking forward to it.

[@conniepatterson5098]

Thank you Pat and Deb for another informative fireside chat!

[@cjayribley]

Y’all good as good gets..

[@ConchoHillsGuestRanch-CHR1]

Really looking forward to your new chapters. We just recommend your channel to another group of guests interested in western riding. Thanks.

[@AmericanCustomRanch]

Pat is the BEST

[@craigrobinsonsaddler]

I can't wait to hear the new venture.

[@michelsupply4012]

Did I hear it well that you are going to visit France? Great! You have to visit Belgium as well! Little country next to France up north, we have excellent horses and most of all, georgious food!!😄 Be welcome in Europe 👍🇧🇪

[@marcdenton2996]

Thank you guys!

[@lynnwerry7197]

Pat/ Deb Once again, timely video as I have just began the transition journey on my 5 year old into a Western Bit . Thank you much needed inspiration Enjoy your trip to France God’s Speed 🔥🙏💥👏🏻🤠🐴

[@angeliquecoppolino1433]

I just used my missing link snaffle yesterday as a refresher for my boy. Just love it. Hi from Ontario Canada! I followed along when you first got Chinaco who is the same age as my boy.

[@Utah_Trail_Rider]

Rainy day here also. I guess I should be cleaning saddles,

[@kevinbailey1097]

I’d say that some of the things that you passed on to me when I met you helped me. And a spade bit horse is a whole different thing. And it truly requires the human to learn and refine themselves. But if you don’t get in a hurry and you take your time. Then I figure you can get somewhere and learn a lot in the process. I think the horse would thank you also if he could talk.

[@rgould4196]

Oh thank you for explaining your bit transition again. I love you explaining all of that. I have a 7yo-ish gelding, little ranch-style quarter type. Don't know much of his past or how trained. So trying to start where you do at beginning, and go on to next step when proper. However, not sure I have ability to ever get him to the spade & bosalito, but that is the goal, if he's happy with it. I love that old traditional vaquero style riding & you two have been a blessing to explain it, why, its origin, reason, etc. 😊😊😊 Also, I love Andalusians, looked for one before got this guy, not many in my area. Did find one or two Azteca's, again, not close enough. So looking forward to you covering that farm!!!❤ Luv to you both!

[@PatnDebPuckett]

To reiterate from past videos, we wouldn't ride a 7 year old in a bosal and we wouldn't take him to the spade. We reserve that for horses that have not been started and have not been ridden in a bit of any type. He would brush up on his lateral work in the Missing Link Snaffle and then go to a western bit. Good luck!

[@rgould4196]

@@PatnDebPuckett Hello and thank you for that Deb! Okay, understand. We have found the D-ring snaffle to work the best so far, but he does push his head out forward and up at times, it seems as he wants release of the bit, however some times he does that on loose reins. 🤔 I do have your Missing Link and have used, i like it,, don't think he does tho, he still throws nose out forward with that a little bit more. However, I'm willing to go back to that and hang in there if so. I'm a lifetime western rider, now close to your age, mostly used western bits. So I'm fine staying with that after the Missing Link. Thanks for reiterating, I'll go back to try find more instructions from Pat on this. If he could do a video on such subject again, 🙄, would appreciate. Thx.

[@PatnDebPuckett]

@@rgould4196 I would surmise that your horse wants you to release and not ride with constant contact. Release 1/2 inch when he does the right thing. The Missing Link Snaffle works off of pressure, not off of pain from a broken mouthpiece. With good timing and release, he will learn where to be to avoid pressure and he will learn collection. If he understands lateral work with a snaffle and you ride Western, you can transition him to a regular western bit.

[@rgould4196]

@@PatnDebPuckett Thank you, we'll work on this.😊

[@btgoble]

That saddle sure has a lot of care put into it. Tracey (Australia)

[@l.d.b.r5141]

Thanks

[@ranchhouse349]

Sounds like a good job. We also raise and sell our grassfed beef. Can you do a video on broncy colts. I have one I’ve started and gone extremely slow with but he turns red eyed and want to bolt or buck if you ask much of him at all. Been following for a long time thanks again!

[@lindatruitt-2954]

We have a 4 yo likes to buck, love to hear pats ideas on that. Or yours.

[@janemccaw]

Thanks, Pat and Deb, saving up for a missing link snaffle for my 4y old Ottb. He's the spunk in my profile pic. I tried to order using afterpay but wasn't available in Australia.

[@epona9166]

Hi Pat, question re the missing link. When you send a horse back in a snaffle (per the owner request), if the owner doesn't intend to transition to a western bit, does he go back in the missing link and stay in that? Or does he go back in a traditional broken-mouth snaffle? It sounds like you see the missing link as strictly a transition bit (transition to western). I have two missing links for my horses and am intending to keep them in those, and not transition to western. I love the cricket for them, and I subscribe to your theory that the less going on in the horse's mouth, the better. The less he worries about his mouth and the better he pays attention to the rider. Thanks!!

[@PatnDebPuckett]

I would never ride a horse in a broken mouth snaffle bit. If you ride western, the end result is riding with one hand in a western bit. If you ride English, that's a different discipline. People have lost sight of the two different styles of riding and have begun mixing them because of a couple of things. The most important is the lack of understanding of collection and riding off of the seat and legs. Other riders are intimidated by leverage bits because they think they are severe when actually a broken snaffle is much more severe. When you take the leap to riding with one hand in a western bit, you are forced to elevate your riding and not rely on communicating with your horse with your hands. The hands only gather the horse into collection so the body can take over. I hope I've answered your question and not gone off on a tangent!

[@epona9166]

@@PatnDebPuckett Yes thank you so much. My horse has been ridden in a western bit, but not by me. He carried it fine; looked comfortable in it. But I like the security of knowing I can bend my horse to a stop on the trail if necessary, which you can't do with a western bit. I do have a Sliester bit, however, from when they were gettable on eBay for $150, and I may put him in that to ride in an arena. The problem with those i that they seemed to top out at 5" (mouthpiece) -- 5.25 was very hard to find -- and I'm afraid the one I got is too small and will rub. Not badly, but some. Anyway thanks so much!

[@PatnDebPuckett]

@@epona9166 I understand your line of thinking but I think you will find that the leverage of a western bit actually offers you a greater ability to stop your horse than a one rein stop on the trail. Your strength is magnified by the bit. If you're in a real jackpot and your horse is leaving the country or trying to get his head down to buck, you might not be able to bend him. Not to mention that it is not advisable to do a one rein stop if it's steep. Just food for thought.

[@koldham3797]

What product are you using on the saddle?

[@joshuaasbill3131]

Probably Obenhaufs heavy duty. Awesome for roughout.

[@tinoyb9294]

Is a snaffle bit and headstall a bridle? Or do you only call it a bridle with a Western bit? I'm from Orange County. I didn't know there was any place left in Orange to ride! Thanks!

[@PatnDebPuckett]

A bridle in this context refers to a western bit or a Spade bit. Not a snaffle.

[@ricke714]

Does that lay down the rough out???

[@PatnDebPuckett]

Not really. It still has plenty of grip.

[@NoahSantos-ko8pc]

Do you stop using the bosolita on a horse that’s straight up in the bridle ?

[@PatnDebPuckett]

Yes. The two rein horse graduates to straight up. However the bosalito stays on the horse and is used with a get down rope to lead the horse because you never lead a spade bit horse with the reins. Those reins stay on the horse’s neck.

[@mkennedyemail]

What product do you rub into your rough out leather. Thx Mike in Massachusetts.

[@PatnDebPuckett]

Obenaufs LP