Justin Herbert, Chargers agree to $262M deal; Patrick Mahomes underpaid? | NFL | FIRST THINGS FIRST

Nick Wright, Chris Broussard and Kevin Wildes react to Justin Herbert agreeing to a five year $262.5M extension with the Los Angeles Chargers. The group also react to Joe Burrow’s comments indicating the Cincinnati Bengals will retain core & decide if Kansas City Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes is underpaid.
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[@xcwilliams7980]

Sorry. No

[@AP-sr2lr]

GigaNo

[@midwesttraffikc271]

Nick Wright that dude

[@ojamnitr]

The shared excitement that the cast and the viewers share when there is actually something to talk about….good stuff

[@michaeludeze8470]

Why are you all constantly repeating the same praise?

[@skillethead15]

That’s just how it is this time of the year.

[@rickyrobby8133]

By “something to talk about” do you mean Nick claiming every single day that Patrick Mahomes is Jesus playing Football?

[@jaden5843]

@@michaeludeze8470it’s rare a show has such qualities. it’s not that surprising

[@warriorjennings5115]

@@rickyrobby8133 lmaooo 😂😂

[@JRL1999]

Joe Burrow: Window opening specialist

[@clownkilla7003]

It's going through it that he has trouble with 😅

[@htdubski23]

@@clownkilla7003he’s played 3 seasons and already made a Super Bowl..

[@kennethmichael1586]

@@htdubski23look at Goff when that happened

[@krazykane87]

​@@kennethmichael1586Burrow gets extra credit for doing it with a struggling franchise like the Bengals

[@pippip9927]

​@@krazykane87 the only excuse he has is his O Line. The Bengals have rebuilt around burrow and he's been in the SB, he just couldn't win it. Nah. He's gotta deliver a ring to Cinci at this point.

[@JonNuclear]

8:00 Wildes face of pure shock, bewilderment, and disgust when Brou said Rustle Wilson had me dead

[@jasonparson8155]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@morganyu812]

"ONE BAD YEAR "

[@captainyami4605]

I was in tears😂 hit the 10 sec rewind over and over

[@jasonparson8155]

@@captainyami4605 DeadAss!!! I couldn’t breath

[@jasonparson8155]

@@morganyu812 😭😭😭😭

[@simptydyce3294]

When a Brou said Russel Wilson 🤣🤣🤣

[@Crashsui]

😭😭😭

[@FaceFamous]

Wildes look like he was about to slap him😂😂😂😂

[@warriorjennings5115]

"If Mahomes is Brady then someone has to be Peyton Manning" - Kevin Wildes out here dropping straight HEAT

[@justadude1065]

And it ain’t herbert lmfao

[@colebacca1369]

@@justadude1065yes it is

[@ryandonovan5895]

@@justadude1065 Right now it's Burrow, imo. KC is better....but BARELY

[@Ultra-BLV]

Mahomes is Brady and Manning. Mahomes wins more than everyone else (Brady) and has better stats than everyone else (Manning).

[@justadude1065]

@@colebacca1369 it absolutely isn’t.

[@brentlee082]

Between his ribs and not having receivers last year it's amazing he was even good last year

[@braziliantvhd2768]

No doubt, acting as if he had a bad season when throwing for 2nd most passing yards in NFL is pathetic by these guys.

[@kaikelii]

Theyre just gonna forget that last season he was playing through a shoulder injury, a rib injury, and he was basically throwing to insurance guys pulled off the street as his wide receivers. To compare that to Tua is just a bonehead take.

[@morganyu812]

I wouldn't go that far to say his receiving core that bad. He has Eckler, Williams, and Allen. Which are respectable weapons. But not near as good as Waddle and Hill.

[@Devizze1]

@@morganyu812yeah but Allen was injured most of the season as well

[@morganyu812]

@@Devizze1 Based on what tho?

[@TheProHopper]

@@morganyu812William and Keenan are good but they missed so much time last year and Herbert still kept us competitive

[@vw2430]

They didn’t forget.. they knew even knew. These talking heads just read box scores and get people like us to comment

[@aradan3913]

Wildes is correct in the last statement. It feels like the 2/3 different tiers of QBs in the league are playing different games when it comes to negotiations: ones are trying to be the most priced, and the other one is still making "too much" money but not taking the bait. Is like they are racing the wrong thing to seek validation.

[@fkscopes]

Fans care a lot more about championships than many players and nothing wrong with that especially since taking less money doesn't guarantee you anything

[@aquaviii]

5:44 froze😂

[@DenBover-pf7xk]

Mahomes should be the standard, he invested in the state as much as the team invested in him. Leader and sets a high standard

[@ska8mark]

​@@DenBover-pf7xk9pppp😅

[@DenBover-pf7xk]

@@ska8mark ?

[@matthewsawczyn6592]

“Well, I like birding” 😂 Wildes is a comedic genius

[@johnbox271]

Before First Things First I watched him on another show and he was at best... ok. This show has allowed him to show case his talents and he is great.

[@TiagoPauloo]

Wildes face at 8:02 had me dying laughing

[@laurenbraswell9656]

Wildes’ face when Broussard says Russell Wilson 😂😂😂 priceless

[@Keysade]

Mahommes isn't underpaid. He is paid accordingly considering he wants to win championships. His deal allows his team to pay other guys. So you can make ALL of the money YOU can get but have to watch your best teammates leave or take a team friendly deal and keep everyone together and win.

[@JoePought]

If the game is “the best players get paid the most” then Mahomes is underpaid. He’s the best QB by a mile & should get paid like it but sacrifices dollars for rings

[@leonardoyi3183]

@@JoePought mahomes who has the biggest contract...he just dont have the biggest per year salary..

[@Rosepapi]

@@leonardoyi3183Do you get how math works? His salary is a 10 year Salary these others are 5 so in that span they are making more and can reup in that 5 yrs.

[@tigerscott5929]

This is extremely well said

[@the_lava_wielder6996]

@@JoePoughtthink of it that the chiefs are leveraging their team to him

[@royce3582]

Love these guys’ chemistry and energy. Hands down better than anything ESPN tries to market.

[@brockjensen2473]

“No unfortunately I was saying that tua should have been the number 1 pick, that was a mistake”💀💀💀 I gotta give it up for nick at least he owned it 😂😂😂😂

[@Kidkinsey]

"Tyrod Taylor got stabbed right before kickoff" out of context is SO crazy😭😭

[@EnterpriseNCC-1701]

Beginning @14:28 I love the way Nick addresses Mike Florio and his obsession with other player's money. Bravo, Nick! Bravo!

[@pippip9927]

If having an elite quarterback means the window never closes, then Aaron Rodgers has some explaining to do. 😂😂😂

[@DenBover-pf7xk]

His window was open but he was too high to climb through it. Couldn't open it and just licked the glass

[@viclange3826]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. The Packers were perennially in the playoffs with Rodgers. The window being open doesn't mean you have what it takes to get through.

[@RD-sp5us]

​​​@@viclange3826??? The window being open invariably means climbing through. Unless the window is getting to the postseason, which to me makes no sense. Surely the window is winning the SB?

[@isaiahearnheart7129]

Mahomes contract is such a crazy contract. Idk if we'll see one like it in the next 10 years

[@riffbw]

Brady and the Pats set the blueprint for a modern day dynasty and Mahomes and Kelce are out there proving it works. Top talent taking 2nd tier money means a stronger team. The sooner more players/teams buy in, the sooner we see another dynasty. The problem is finding 2-3 players that don't let $$$ cloud their vision. It's also helpful that Mahomes immediately had the sponsorship opportunities (ketchup on steak got him one) and Kelce now has his podcast going and a media career waiting for him. They're getting paid elsewhere too.

[@JoeBangaz215]

How is money clouding there vision if they have families to take care of yes it’s cool to win a Super Bowl but the number one reason for these players going to the NFL is to get paid everything else is a plus

[@aquaviii]

5:44 FROZEN IN TIME LOL 😂😂😂

[@clownkilla7003]

No way Cincinnati beats Philly had they made the SB

[@giffondhall9214]

Yes they would

[@xX-Anonymous-Xx]

@@giffondhall9214 No, they wouldn't. Shut up, kid. You have no clue what you are talking about.

[@thomassankara1391]

@giffondhall9214 You think Burrow keeping up with Jalen Hurts? Chiefs Defense made so many plays But Hurts still put up 35. Burrow couldn't even put up more than 20 Vs KC, and this is considering that Mahomes gifted him the ball by forgetting how to hold on to it, with a chance to make it 27-13. Burrow got the ball back twice at 20-20 and he choked. Burrow can't keep up with high octane offenses. The Bengals playoff success has been due to their defense. If you ask Burrow to score 30 for you in the playoffs, or put up a big game, he can't. He can vs an injured Ravens secondary though.

[@DenBover-pf7xk]

@@giffondhall9214 they would have got slapped worse than the rams slapped them

[@TitanPardy808]

@@giffondhall9214 i agree. Chase, Higgins, Boyd, and Mixon would’ve dropped 45+ on that Eagles secondary.

[@anthonygriffin8497]

Herbert also had his 2 best receivers only play 10 and 13 games. Herbert was also playing with multiple cracked ribs all season. Let’s not even talk about the line. Yet he still had 25 passing touchdowns…

[@brandonmitchell6351]

Seriously. Shows how much they aren’t informed

[@0831fabian]

It probably took only a month or two for his ribs to heal and that was early in the year

[@brandonmitchell6351]

@@0831fabian those injuries are said to linger 4-6 months. But it’s hard to pump out those numbers with that, your left tackle being out, and ur star receivers only playing together four total games

[@DuckFanDane]

The problem with trying to compare him last year with his first two years is that he was injured. He played through with his rib injury on top of all the injuries he will be way better this year.

[@wgakunju]

8:02 - Wildes face when Broussard said Russell Wilson 😅

[@ChildrenJones]

Why Nick do him like that...when Brou mentioned Russell Wilson's name...😂😂😂😂

[@ANoss13]

This really is the best show! The chemistry between these three make me laugh and smile!

[@michaeludeze8470]

Why are you all repeating the same praise?

[@TheTeamOden]

@@michaeludeze8470bots/people trying to get alot of thumbs up

[@joshpreston9246]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe at the time of his signing, Mahomes' contract was the highest AAV. Even Brady had the highest AAV at the time he signed one of his "earlier" contracts (around 2010 I believe). The only way to always be highest paid is to constantly only sign 1 year deals, which is very risky.

[@rickyrobby8133]

That isn’t how that works, 99% of the time you’re going to be the “highest paid” the issue HOW MUCH you’re paid and for how long. If you’re locked in for a decade, that deal is going to be MASSIVELY undervalued after 4-5 years which is how long most players sign for before getting another after two or three. I’ll give you an extreme example, if you’re making 150K per year, but you can’t get a raise or get any more money until you retire, it sounds good now and is good money. But will it thirty years from now? I guarantee you people will be making 200k looking at you funny.

[@tigera6]

The issue with Mahomes contract was the length of it, and everybody knew he would get passed over on AAV in just a couple years and its already happening now. The best contract for Mahomes would be some kind a "% of the salary cap" type if that was possible with the CBA.

[@joshpreston9246]

@@rickyrobby8133 That is exactly how it works. Short contracts are opting for more money over security. Long contracts are opting for more security over money. Even if he signed for 4-5 years instead of 10 for the same AAV, he'd still have been the highest at the time, he'd still currently have the 7th highest AAV, he'd only be ONE YEAR into that deal and wouldn't be getting a new deal till AT LEAST NEXT YEAR anyway. In your example, sure, it would look like less. But what if you were also guaranteed to get paid that 150K every year till you retire no matter what while your coworker was getting a 2K raise every year but with no guarantee? If you both got in an accident 20 years before retirement that left you both unable to work, and you were getting 150K every year while he got 0 per year, your deal suddenly looks a LOT better now doesn't it? Now add to it you work in a job where a high percentage of people get injured and can no longer work. Mahomes opted for security over more money. His contract is very long and is basically always fully guaranteed for the current year and following year. In return, the team has flexibility to help him build his legacy, which is worth more than the difference he'd be getting by signing a new contract every year. I would also understand if he wanted to sign a new contract every year to be the highest paid, and he'd deserve it. Personally, I would take the security with still a ton of money over the high risk with possibly high money.

[@joshpreston9246]

@@tigera6 Sure, that would give him the most money while possibly getting most of the security. However, it would make it harder to chase GOAT status and therefore would be harder to get as many endorsements etc. Besides, after making sure several generations after him are set for life, he cares more about his legacy than getting the most possible amount of money.

[@ehend8431]

4:50-5:05 deserves a pop up ad type of pause 😂

[@JonNuclear]

As a Bengals fan I am praying that Joe take less money. He has the skill and ability to bring this team even in the lower years far, and if he can keep some of that money around to pay Chase and other key pieces then I think it will pay off for him both in legacy and financially in the long run. I am thinking around 45-50 a year, still top tier but not by any means the top paid. Make it a long contract like 8+ years, get a lot of guaranteed money and a no trade clause in there and everyone will be happy

[@MattRowland]

He won't. He'll take what he can get. Like every other QB. In 4 years, it'll look cheaper.

[@joebin3286]

Lol bengals fans are funny. Better hope Joe can actually carry in the playoffs. That d is gonna regress once he’s paid

[@morganyu812]

I don't think The Bengals organization makes nearly enough money to do that. And not enough to pay people like Chase and Higgins. That's why they got rid of Bates and Bell.

[@BengalsNation513]

⁠@@joebin3286it’s really nobody on the bengals defense right now thats gonna make bank, I guess you can say Chidowbe Awuzie but he was hurt last year and we did fine without him. And I guess DJ reader but he’s not going to be much at all. Only important person in my opinion is Logan Wilson

[@joebin3286]

@@BengalsNation513 did you miss the entire off season

[@douglasevans9599]

The late hit wasn’t a bad or controversial call he clearly got mahomes out of bounds people just don’t like the fact it was called in a end of the game situation

[@travisjohnson9066]

Hence a "bad call"..

[@DenBover-pf7xk]

Nothing bad about it, dude lost his cool and wanted a cheap shot. Don't put yourself in that situation. He hurt himself and cost the game

[@banks7714]

After a redo play, holding by the Oline to get him free on the same play and a block in the back on the punt to get them where they were, you just gonna ignore that it wasn't called both ways?

[@DenBover-pf7xk]

@@banks7714 literally every play has stuff missed going both ways, it's the human error part of the game. The extra play resulted in a punt and the red was clearly on the field. Having more time on the clock means the chiefs go for a TD not a FG. Losers blame the refs and make excuses but burrow had 2 possessions at 20 20 and did nothing. He threw 2 picks to rookies. Maybe blame your QBs performance and the dude hitting late. If you look at every play in slow motion you'll see holds everywhere. It's the game. Look at the Superbowl for example.

[@banks7714]

@DenBover-pf7xk not a Bengals fan, it is clear what team got more calls the entire year and the entire playoffs Also look at the superbowl? What do you mean, the Superbowl where the refs actually called holding but this time it yet again benefits the chiefs, lol thanks for proving my point

[@ngcebomalinga1793]

Wildes face when Brou said Russel😂

[@WW-ff9nd]

"That's why they're former" 🤣🤣 these guys are hilarious

[@hhMexicanJoker]

I was laughing so hard when Chris try to slip in. Russell Wilson

[@Crashsui]

Mann Russ go be top 10 this year

[@Anthony-yu5yz]

The Bengals are in trouble. They'll have to pay Burrow, but they'll have to feed Chase as well. Because Burrow is just a tier 2 QB without Chase.

[@nikohunt5187]

Stay off the drugs

[@brandoncrockett9266]

Mahomes produced like a Tier 3 or Tier 4 QB in that Super Bowl against Tampa a few years back, behind a banged up offensive line. And that was with Tyreek Hill AND Travis Kelce. But last season, he played behind a brick wall all the way to another championship (the Eagles had what was supposed to be an elite defensive front, but they couldn’t get close to him). Burrow being as great as he’s been behind bad offensive line play his entire career (so far) is a testament to the fact that he’s easily a Tier 1 guy. Elite receivers aside, Burrow’s managed to win everything but the biggest prize without the one thing more important to a QB on the field than great pass catchers (see: great pass protection). Give Burrow time in the pocket like Mahomes just had throughout his latest championship run, and you’ll see similar results.

[@lakeozarkrei3767]

​@@brandoncrockett9266😂😅Mahomes was the most pressured QB in any Superbowl. Burrows pressured and sacked so much because he takes so long in the pocket and not mobile. Actually watch a little football before commenting... you'll embarrass yourself a little less👍

[@brandoncrockett9266]

@@lakeozarkrei3767 “Mahomes Was the most pressured QB in any Super Bowl” You should have read my initial comment again. Yes, in that Super Bowl against Tampa, Mahomes WAS pressured more than any QB ever. THAT’S my point. He’d never faced that kind of pressure before, and the result was 0 TD’s to 2 TO’s. I’m not even blaming him, but don’t act like Burrow’s being propped up by an elite pass catcher when Mahomes had TWO of them in SB 55 and STILL produced next to nothing behind a bad, injured offensive line. Burrow’s dealt with bad offensive line play and/or injuries to his linemen throughout this career. He gets the ball out quickly to compensate for it, and there’s less than 8 yards difference per game between he and Mahomes as rushers. Stop making up narratives to support your argument

[@frandavis1990]

​@brandoncrockett9266 burrow also has an opportunistic defense in his sb run PLUS an RB who out performed him that entire playoff run. Take out Mixon and joe looks bad in the playoffs

[@thanx4theclips]

“Well this iteration” 🤣

[@jossykeyz007]

wilds face at 8:05 is everything

[@t_billygoat9695]

Nobody remembers he played with broke ribs for 2 months and in the second half of the playoff game he only had 3 WRs

[@Chozzeone060907]

That's without mentioning both Mike Williams and Keenan Allen were hurt last year. I think Allen missed over 10 games too. Take Tyreek Hill away from tua for 10 games and have waddle miss five. Let's see how he does

[@308719236]

​@@Chozzeone060907excuses

[@blowc1612]

​@@308719236excuses? It's just facts. He was supposed to miss the season and yet played through the Injury. Everyone was saying he would miss at least 6 weeks.

[@brandonjusblong]

I think he’s got all kinda talent but he’s either hurt 50% of the time or he’s one of the most inconsistent studs ever look back to college

[@t_billygoat9695]

@@brandonjusblong or he’s really good but his defense has given up the most points ever over a qbs first 3 seasons

[@richardmazahreh2161]

He played with broken ribs, a torn labrum, missing his all pro left tackle and his top 3 WR played 80 snaps together all season. And he still finished 2nd in passing yards and a top 10 QB. Not single mention of that context lmao

[@TheWiseguysTCG]

Bc the chargers have not, nor will not win anything. Ever.

[@PhoenixFlamezz]

@@TheWiseguysTCG Dude lays out a bunch of facts and you reply with your feelings.

[@adrian33161]

I wonder what your excuse next season will be.

[@user-cf5yw5kf2y]

And?

[@nickrosa1334]

@@adrian33161facts aren’t excuses.

[@stephenporter678]

The problem with the chargers is their receiving core is constantly injured so it’s hard for Herbert is consistency with his receivers. It’s hard to stretch the field without your star receivers out there. With this contract, makes me wonder how burrows money will come with Cincy being conservative with their QBs.

[@gun-nut]

Herbert is a numbers guys but not where it matters in the win loss category

[@howtouploadinfullquality3638]

Wow Nick...WHAT A SUIT

[@tonyj9743]

The only reason people dog Herbert about wins is because it's statistically unlikely to see a player play this well for 3 seasons and it not translate into more success in the regular and post season. Good thing for him is that this is anomalous and clearly not gonna last one way or another. I'm sure his detractors will just move the goalpost and harp on something else. Chargers fans know this, which is why they been unified in being 100% all in on him since his rookie season!

[@christophercrowder872]

Two words: Phillip Rivers

[@scdb12]

Dude threw the ball 700 times and only had 25 TDs, please make that make sense

[@tonyj9743]

@@scdb12 Easy. Lombardi's god awful offensive scheme. Dude had a QB with one of the biggest arms in the league and ran a dink and dunk offense all season! It was brutal to watch.

[@seba2tiansalazar]

@@scdb12again horrible coaching and a paper thin receiver room

[@coleworld2429]

@@scdb12you forget the year prior when he threw 38? down years happen for EVERY qb

[@anthonytao8846]

Florio's Mahomes take, which I've had the misfortune of hearing him repeat several times because I actually like his shows, is truly bizarre and baffling, and it's about time more people like Nick call him out on it.

[@lakeozarkrei3767]

It really is... starting to get a little concerned for Florio. He seems oddly obsessed with Mahomes. He doesn't figure in the fact what Superbowl wins and MVPs are worth. Mahomes IS the highest paid QB if you add in his endorsements...

[@user-cf5yw5kf2y]

I love how the low volts can be awful but they still praise Herbert..what happened to when the team wins the qb gets praise and when the team looses the qb takes responsibility?

[@dskwared2u610]

Herbert is 25-24 as a starter. Maybe it's the coaching? He should be on a list or in a pie or something. We believe in you Justin.

[@brandonjusblong]

Before Burrow hit the bengals and before he hit the chargers what team seemed better

[@justadude1065]

@@brandonjusblongchargers by far had the better team. They had to acknowledge all the facts surrounding Herbert’s mediocrity. He’s overrated.

[@isaiahh4108]

@@justadude1065by far they picked him 4 picks later than Burrow why you gotta lie

[@HipHopsChoice]

But Lamar Jackson had to fight for his deal 🤔

[@justadude1065]

@@isaiahh4108 roster wise. Not record wise. On paper roster the chargers by far had the better roster…you’re gonna argue that?

[@et44a98]

For Nick to say Herbert hasn’t got better is crazy. Compare his tape the last 2 years you’ll see so much improvement. Also don’t mention he was dealing with broken ribs all of last season and a torn shoulder on his one down year… down stats doesnt mean he hasn’t got better. Every season his win record keeps improving

[@bigtshotmusic]

Nick doesn’t take injuries into consideration same thing he does about josh allen last season

[@joebin3286]

@@bigtshotmusicI take his choking in big moments as what he is until he fixes that.

[@bigtshotmusic]

@@joebin3286 choke in what big moments? he literally had the best game of this decade just 2 years ago and again he had a serious elbow injury last year

[@joebin3286]

@@bigtshotmusic playoffs against jags. Loss to the raiders to not get in the playoffs lol. Those are the only big moments he was in lol.

[@bigtshotmusic]

@@joebin3286 i thought u was talking bout josh allen. i mean herbert didn’t necessarily choke you gotta think that oline is trash, defense was injured and bad coaching in that jags game

[@KCMagicC]

Burrow said "my window is my entire career" and then got bounced by Mahomes, a guy with a hurt ankle, who recently said his greatest fear is having regrets at the end of his career. And that's the difference. Joe Burrow is a confident dude who thinks nothing bad will ever happen, but Mahomes knows that every day, every play could be the end, and he *plays like it*.

[@servicedogojokeguys2967]

Burrow is a shmuck. Mahomeboy is way better

[@rexfordmorgan7552]

As a Bill’s fan, the Josh Allen troll job has been a masterpiece for the last 3 years

[@mikeg5063]

Justin Herbert has FAR more potential and talent than Tua. No disrepect to Tua, but he isn't on Herbert's level🤷‍♂️. However, this kiddo is gonna have to produce in the playoffs soon, or he'll be the next Dak Prescott!

[@vincente4570]

Relax. He’s still young and keep in mind what conference he plays in. Not to mention, who does he play against twice a year🤷🏿‍♂️

[@morganyu812]

I agree with only when we're talking about athletics. Tua played like a stud last year. But he probably can surpass Herbert's playoff wins looking at how loaded Miami is.

[@mikeg5063]

@vincente4570 oh I'm good, it's him the pressure is on, especially now since he got paid!

[@mikeg5063]

@morganyu812 No doubt Tua played well when healthy. However, can he stay healthy? Sure that receiving corps of his is stacked, but so is LA with KA, MW, and that new kid they drafted.

[@marcomejia2613]

If any of these 3 guys left I would not longer be watching any sports show. Love this line up and show so much keep doing great things my guys 👍👍👍👍👍

[@SnowflakeHaze]

I love the recent shift in Wildes XD

[@TC-gx3qn]

Nick and Brou are the same color right now 😂

[@FootballMan468]

Nick conveniently forgetting the offensive line for Cincinnati is terrible and only has room to improve. So yes, the offense may actually get more talented in the years to come.

[@anthonyjackson7210]

Terrible they got hurt at a inconvenient time

[@davidgardner4809]

I mean, sure, but the front office spent LOADS of money and draft picks to fix that like and it is still a hack job. So it could get better, sure, but we will see how good the bengals front office is when it comes to handling all of these contracts that are about to come their way. If it’s anything like their offensive line building, it could get ugly.

[@ryansellers4758]

Taking more money than the next person isn’t just for ego it’s also for the players that are up next so they can make more money. And so you can make more money on your next contract

[@jonstremel7467]

I could watch these guys argue about what appetizers to order for the table

[@MCJdiz]

Cowherd being out makes that FtF drop hit so 👌

[@rsgomlftw]

The bengals situation is extremely similar to the Celtics. They’ll probably never have as much talent as they had because of the salary cap. They’ve both seemingly overachieved recently in the playoffs, are pushing their chips in for one last championship run, and even their 2 young star players on each team are pretty comparable to each other.

[@brandoncrockett9266]

I don’t get the argument that they’ve “overachieved”. They have an elite QB, elite receivers (Chase as an elite WR1, and Higgins as an elite second option), an elite defensive coordinator, strong defensive personnel, a more-than-serviceable run game, and one of the best head coaches. Their one glaring weakness has been a lack of pass protection, which they addressed in large part by signing Orlando Brown this offseason. In hindsight, it makes sense that they’re already this good. They’re just going through the growing pains of a team poised-talentwise and culturewise-to contend for a long time.

[@thomassankara1391]

They're literally the same. Bucks are the Chiefs. Bengals are the Celtics. Bills are the 76ers.

[@brandoncrockett9266]

@@thomassankara1391 No, they’re not. Unless you’re saying that neither team has “overachieved” and that, in fact, they’ve both played at around expectation according to their talent-level. In fact, I’d say that Boston’s underachieved with their current core because they’ve been at it for longer with an elite collection of talent. The Bengals are similarly talented, but they’re just getting started. But no, neither team is some underdog punching above their weight. That’s ridiculous.

[@KingRusss]

He said Russell Wilson! Bwaaahhhh 😂

[@TV1stTime]

All the stats are OK yet what about the WINS and WINNING percentage against WINNING teams

[@colebacca1369]

Listen, I know they gotta have their takes. But I mean, how can you not acknowledge the injury as a reason his production suffered? He was on the most injured team in the league, had Lombardi as his play caller, had an awful run game. And that’s not to mention the defense! He also has absolutely improved in terms of eye test. He puts balls in spots more consistently now than he did before. This is just baffling.

[@alragyahoo]

Herbert is amazing. But can’t do it alone. Needs a line

[@Guccifinesse]

Lmao his team is stacked swap him out for any other Qb you think is top 10 and they are Super Bowl contenders

[@alragyahoo]

@@Guccifinesse the proof will play out. Let’s see what happens. It’s time for him to prove it.

[@morganyu812]

​@@Guccifinesse What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[@DonLyfe556]

Wildes was cooking at the very end 🔥

[@basman9560]

Mahomes contract is a smart one ☝️ leaving around $5M on the table will bring you $25M to $35M endorsements when you’re a Super Bowl winning quarterback

[@stevenellis99]

Why the heck are we ignoring the fact that Herbert had broken ribs and their entire offense was injured 😂

[@jamesrougely9519]

Excuses

[@beard_belichick4216]

because if you acknowledge that it kills their argument.

[@brotherLee340]

Because that's football. Somebody is always hurt. And teams are rarely perfect. Pat Mahommes hobbled to the super bowl. Is what it is.

[@stevenellis99]

@@brotherLee340 not every team’s quarterback has broken ribs and a torn shoulder. Not every team’s TOP THREE receivers all miss at least half the season. Not every team loses a stat left tackle or a stat center. Not every team loses their three best defensive players. Stop😂. That’s not usually part of the game lol

[@blowc1612]

Are we not going to mention that Herber played through a rib injury?

[@jrob4190]

He isn't y they lost in my opinion, his head coach should be a coordinator and his defense is talented but ALWAYS hurt.

[@thenoseknows9391]

So what, MAHOMES played on one foot 💯💯🤣😀😆😅😁😄

[@jrob4190]

@@thenoseknows9391 lol we gotta stop comparing everybody to the dude that's gonna be the 🐐. No shame on not being as good as him

[@RayRey028]

Yeah and was up by 27 points and still lost. So what's your point again? Mahomes played with a high ankle sprain for 3 playoff games and still won the SB.

[@morganyu812]

​@@thenoseknows9391For 3 games. Herbert got hurt the beginning of the season.

[@josephdusard4114]

Wildes spittin right at the end

[@beard_belichick4216]

Nick always talks in definitive until it's players he cheerleads for get talked about then it's all kind of what ifs

[@SamUHells]

Oh Nick. Last year was cause of the offensive coordinator for Herbert but you never keep that same energy with mac Jones who had a DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR as oc. Your hate and bias against New England teams is just weird at this point.

[@SimpleSock]

I think Wildes roasted him pretty good a few times and he's in his own feelings about Boston teams (Wildes is a Boston guy.) Nick is the guy who dishes it but can't take it.

[@morganyu812]

Which one is Nick?

[@SamUHells]

@@morganyu812 long hair big nose 👍🏻 he’s honesty not a bad analyst he’s just very biased against New England sports

[@morganyu812]

@@SamUHells thanks

[@DISHYMESSIAH]

Nick is the absolute best example of a person that makes it hard to root for a team, I have never wanted a team to fail as much as I do the Chiefs.

[@xcwilliams7980]

Welp too bad

[@barbaralovenvirth8726]

He IS trying.... I don't blame the Chiefs, but ....

[@chadcole5469]

I agree with you!

[@KCCheez]

Guys like Nick are how everyone ended up hating the Cowboys and the Patriots… hard to take sometimes even when you’re a fan of the team.

[@davidgardner4809]

I mean, the chiefs are on pace to be just like the Patriots. When they keep having their level of success, the hated will only continue to grow throughout the nfl.

[@neilstein3971]

if he doesn’t start playing consistently in the post season I’m concerned he’ll go down as AFC Dak or a true heir to Phillip Rivers, both are sad given the talent level

[@King_David_97]

Remember Doug Flutie that short guy could hurl it!

[@christianhernandez1569]

Dude had broken ribs and a bad shoulder last year too

[@vincente4570]

True. But he didn’t miss a game neither 😎

[@hallowedjake]

​@@vincente4570Lawrence also only threw 25 TDs and nobody is blaming him for it, plus he had no injury.

[@vincente4570]

@@hallowedjake Trevor on the strength of the second half of the season arrived. But I’m confident to tell you this. His game will be next level because of the coach himself. I’ll let chu figure out why🥂

[@bigdeboatl23]

Josh Allen being elite is the wildest take to me. Dude literally won nothing, throws Hella interceptions but he elite. He's just very good.

[@zType2]

You're letting your emotions get in the way of reality, clearly. Basic clown take. "He throws INTs" Yeah so does Mahomes. So did every great QB. Next.

[@dreddmann6532]

@@zType2 But Mahomes has actually won something.

[@AaronSmith-lr1gw]

​@@zType2difference between throwing an int and leading the league in turnovers.... You tried tho.

[@zType2]

@@AaronSmith-lr1gw The difference between Allen and Mahomes the past 2 seasons in INTs is 2. Peyton Manning led the league in INTs. You tried tho lmfao

[@AaronSmith-lr1gw]

@@zType2 now add in fumbles lmfao you tried again.. keep failing tho lol I got plenty of Ls to give you.

[@rsgomlftw]

I love how nick thinks he’s not throwing Acho under the bus by saying “some of our friends” instead of mentioning him by name

[@phillysimpson7341]

Best show & chemistry hands down

[@michaeljohnson987]

Nick is always worrying about what the Bengals are going to do 😢😢

[@RyanD2558]

3-0

[@ronnelljames4674]

What are they going to do?

[@velder22]

I don't remember Florio saying anything when Brady was helping the team and winning all those games

[@HasTakes]

great segment in all honesty they missed some key points but overall looking forward to the AFC, so many qbs so health is going to be a factor for some rosters

[@matthewalexanderlemma8000]

Herbert might have the NFL’s best arm.

[@RobertSmith-tu7rl]

hmmmm

[@cstrife999]

Eh no. Pure power josh Allen. Accuracy is mahomes or burrow. He's a stat chaser and struggles with accuracy when the moment hits

[@blowc1612]

​@@cstrife999power and accuracy combined is Herbert. He was literally throwing to 4th string WRs last season. Allen, Williams missed so much games and the 3rd WR, Guyton missed the season who was the deep ball and add the OC limited him to check downs.

[@vincente4570]

I don’t know about that one 😊

[@vincente4570]

@@cstrife999Most of your statement is true. But him shrinking in big games. Naaaaaaah! But prove me wrong this coming season though😊

[@SOG43089]

Honestly the faq that QBs are the most protected players now more of them should take pay cuts to help players like the RBs get paid especially since they block, catch and run.

[@hectorsamayoa4256]

Stop saying Mahomes is underpaid, he can ask for whatever he wants or whatever makes sense for the team to be able to sign other players and keep competitive or even have the advantage if he gets paid less is more likely to get better players around him, it's the same that Tim Brady did

[@awsomesprinkles]

Nick from like 10:00 to 10:38 is doing his best Skip Bayless imitation by stuttering and stammering trying to make a point in the middle of someone's argument

[@EASTBAY_]

lol tyrod got stabbed😂

[@knytrix]

I like to immediately pause the video and guess how long it's going to take Brou to go full Screaming Toddler. I'd say on this topic, around 2:15. I'll edit later with the verdict. Edit: well done Brou! I eat my words! I'm excited about being wrong!

[@dannewth7149]

The hot dry east wind blew😅

[@Chiefskingdom58]

2023: Top 5 QBs salary averages $50million per year 2013: Top 5 QBs salary averages $17.5million per year…with #5-11 making between $12m-$13m. I understand these people deserve to make as much as they possibly can but this increase is insane. Would be nice if we were still paying 2013 or even 2018 ticket prices. I’m happy these people are making generational wealth just sad that it cost nearly $1000 or more to take a family of 4 to see your favorite NFL team after tickets, parking, food/drink, and maybe some team NFL swag. Don’t even get me started on the SB…cheapest SB57 ticket was nearly $6000 after fees. That’s per ticket cost. Average ticket was over $10k…what average American can afford that. Sad we are pricing American sports tickets (and team jerseys/swag) out of reach for many sports fans.

[@cdlyricalgenius]

Wyldes when he said Russell Wilson

[@RushedPhenom]

"That's why they're former" Nick said this and they were fired again. 💀

[@Puckett.]

When a QB knows they aren't the best in the league on talent they let their contract make them out to be the best QB. Mahomes knows he's the best QB in the league on talent and doesn't care if the contract shows it. The most talented Player in the league always takes a paycut. The most talented players in the league besides the best always squeeze as much money as they can to prove they are the best player in the league. You see this in pretty much every sport across generations.

[@erichall090909]

It’s true Florio has an absurd obsession with the Mahomes contract

[@Shakester71]

The salary cap continues to rise every year. A few years ago, the Niners made Garoppolo one of the highest paid QBs in the league. 3 years in and he dropped to 7th. Now his $27M a year contract seems like a very lower number for a quality starting QB.

[@orionsimerl6539]

He might be Jeff George

[@dwayneoliver1142]

Wow what have he done

[@whitewhale9012]

My problem with florio's jabs at clark hunt is that he's lying. He knows hes lying. Florio knows that player salaries come from shared revenue from tv deals. Since he knows this, he's actually accusing clark of cooking the books and embezzeling shared revenue. It borders on defamation.

[@jesusv14jv]

The 2nd half of the playoff game he only had Allen as a WR, and RBs we’re getting negative yards

[@PeacemakerDefenseGroup-bp3ii]

The more super bowls and accolades Mahomes earns the bigger the brand the pay check from the nfl doesn’t matter

[@angrydrunkengerman2819]

I wonder why Florio cares so much about Mahomes making less than the maximum? Hmmmmmmm....I wonder.

[@lakeozarkrei3767]

Right!? Kinda creepy lol

[@francmittelo6731]

The window for a QB to win his first Super Bowl for the team that drafted and paid him is 5 years as the starter. lol

[@nxtro3882]

Mahomes

[@francmittelo6731]

@@nxtro3882 Mahomes won within 5 years of being the starter. In the past 24 years, Peyton Manning was the only QB who needed 5 years or more as the starter to win his 1st Super Bowl for the team that drafted him.

[@nxtro3882]

@@francmittelo6731 yeah but he won outside of 5 years two

[@francmittelo6731]

@@nxtro3882 That is why I said "1st Super Bowl."

[@aryavanbryan]

Häagen-Dazs as GOAT over Ben & Jerry's is the hottest take of the episode.

[@jacobward4679]

Last year his WR’s were pretty injured all season, as usual with mike and keenan.