Justin Marshall on the All Blacks' 32-22 loss to Ireland

Former All Blacks halfback and Sky Sport commentator Justin Marshall joins Martin Devlin to dissect the All Blacks' 32-22 loss to Ireland in Wellington, which saw the visitors win their first test series ever in New Zealand.
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[@sakabula2357]

My Kiwi brothers...you will be back and better than ever...love and respect from the Southern republic..looking forward to hosting you..Go Bokke

[@jeffbetts9420]

The AB have been playing the same game for sometime now. Relying on individual brilliance is fine against weaker opposition but the Irish and French have shown how great teamwork will always win out. The way the Crusaders dismantled the Blues was another great example. But that requires a great coach. Anyone who watches Northern hemisphere rugby would not be surprised at this latest result. Australia is playing better rugby than the AB at the moment and Argentina also look better structured, not to mention SA. Could be a rough 3 months.

[@mattbarrett8092]

Could be handing over the bledisloe this year..

[@glenellia1476]

Thought exactly the same thing after watching that final, Not a crusaders supporter but the crusaders look more organised than the ABs says alot

[@drisszyani3497]

With Foster the ABS break all the bad record...But good news it is Joe schmidt in the staff coaching ABS now. He Will select the best players and for sure he Will correct the mistake And he Will give his game idea...the NZRU Will ask him.

[@jeanclaudebertoni6262]

The AB's had many plans. When Plan A does not work do Plan "A again". When Plan "A again" does not work, do plan A again "but not as well". When Plan A again "not as well" does not work, do Plan A again but "really badly", and then if nothing works let the players go rogue and try to win with one off efforts, that should do the trick. Foster coaching manual 101, "hide my inability to coach behind the individual skill of the players". Fiji would have scared the *%*% out of the AB's.

[@killerangel4613]

@@drisszyani3497 FOZZY DIDN"T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE JOE WHEN HE CAME BACK FOR SECOND TEST, SO STRATEGIES WON"T CHANGE

[@evanpeters8809]

So glad to have you back Marty! Missed your insite and passion. Well done mate

[@andrewcavenagh2029]

In 60 years of watching international rugby,, I have never seen an All Blacks team as comprehensively outplayed as they were in the first half on Saturday. Make of that what you will.

[@michaelhussey440]

Correct. 22-3 down was the biggest first half points deficit ever in AB history.

[@rabbitss11]

yeah, it's not just errors is it, the AB's were systematically dismantled and it was a sobering sight, there's some serious thinking needed

[@theresearcher253]

10 years ago, you would have asked the question, 'how many players from the rest of the World would make it into the All Blacks side?' Today, you would have to ask, 'how many All Blacks would make it into a best in the World side'?

[@1Parata]

Did you not see the 2019 world cup semi same issues.

[@andrewcavenagh2029]

@@1Parata Not to the same extent....

[@warrenbooysen]

SA perspective. When Alistair Coetzee lost 57-0 in Albany. He had two years and we were going nowhere. Tumbling down the rankings. Was simply unacceptable and we didn’t need a review, Rassie was appointed and the rest is history. Do not fall for the trap of supporting the coach when the country has realised its simply no longer All Black rugby. And honestly it’s no longer. Just like we got humbled … the ABs have been humbled. And we know it’s a National crap feeling. What more do you need to see or know? Need to see a drubbing in SA? There was a series loss against Ireland at home, first loss to Argentina, humbled in Paris, outplayed in 2019 semi, one point wins, etc, etc. The writing has been on the wall for two years now. Back to basics time and cut out the rot. Oh yes and Alistair was also a lovely bloke but it was our pride and history that needed saving.

[@boojiboy2275]

Totally agree Warren. Great advice boet.

[@user-yb9hi3us4p]

spot on, my bru. absolutely nobody is supporting Foster. I don't even think there was this much demand for John Hart to be replaced. I've never seen NZR come out with a statement like they did yesterday either, especially one that was not a ringing endorsement of the coach. I suspect that statement was just to buy them time to make a few phone calls early this week. Foster's position is simply untenable. Yes, Ireland are a good side but before game 1 the ABs were talking about the early onslaught and having to start fast and stop Ireland getting a roll. Yet all 3 tests they conceded a try within 5mins. Just weak as the proverbial. Sure you can blame the players too, but a team that doesn't believe in the plan are never going to commit to it a perform 100% because if you don't have faith in the plan how can you have faith in what your mate's doing? thats been the glaring issue for me, they are just playing like individuals and seem to have no faith the support is going to be there. compare that to the previous 10 years where they'd just throw no-look passes knowing that someone would be there. also, how many games did they win that they had no right to? yet you just knew as long as they were within striking distance they'd find a way to win (Dagg scoring v SA, Fekitoa v Aus, Crotty v Ire).

[@user-yb9hi3us4p]

@Jimbo Whitehouse we don't NEED to stick with Foster, but looks like they will. No expert on the UK domestic scene, but I don't think Eng or Ire had many other options knocking on the door (and Eng had spent a lot to get Jones). But we have Robertson basically kicking the door in. Compare domestic/super coaching records and Robertson is the easy choice. Foster had intimate knowledge of the team for years, so a massive head start, and yet his ABs record is the worst of any professional coach. Any coach in living memory in fact. Foster couldn't turn the Chiefs around, and he won't turn this around. He's a failure and should find an obscure European club to get back to basics and start his career again.

[@jfvanschalkwyk]

Yes let us stand up and congratulate the team that showed a lot of heart and character and won the test series ... full stop!

[@chrisbaxter3597]

Obviously not a Kiwi - jaw dropping- nothing to do with an excellent team managed by a tyro with a huge pedigree in league- it’s all about how terrible NZ were - one eyed doesn’t describe NZ rugby fans

[@jfvanschalkwyk]

@@chrisbaxter3597 You can only play as well as your opponent allows you... NZL could not handle the pressure from Ireland ..

[@Tokoa144]

Marshall was spot on.. the ABs had no game plan! And it showed!! Clearly the Irish did have a game plan and executed it perfectly!

[@jeanclaudebertoni6262]

Pft.. the AB's had many plans. When it didn't work do Plan A again. When Plan A again didn't work, do plan A again "but not as well". When Plan A "not as well" didn't work, do plan A again but really badly, and then if nothing works let the players go rogue.

[@frankquinn6872]

From an Irish perspective it seems the ABs don’t have a real game plan apart from kick to contest and then hope for moments of individual brilliance (which with players like Sarvea and Jordan you will always have). To me the ABs are a talented team who are poorly coached. I am surprised to hear that there is a reluctance to make management changes because of the size of the pay-offs involved - maybe I’m being naive but I thought NZ rugby was flush with that private equity money. I hope someone who knows more about this could explain what the situation is there.

[@camwells9726]

Nz rugby isn’t that wealthy , just has lots of natural talented players , compared to other countries, nz players aren’t that highly paid , which is why so many head off overseas

[@rabbitss11]

I think those Silverlake investors feel like they've just chucked a few billion into a cryptocurrency right now

[@markmacken1]

No rugby union can afford to pour money down drain. We are just out of covid.

[@boojiboy2275]

You are spot on Frank. Both teams talented, yours brilliantly coached, ours very poorly coached.

[@captainswing4487]

I agree. For my money AB were playing old style. Ireland moved the ball so very quickly....and maintained momentum and possession. AB were good but slow. Evolve.

[@johnfox2409]

Great interview Marty, Justin Is a pretty straight shooter. I've banged on for the last few Years about how bad the handling skills are in Super Rugby so naturally this is going to creep into the AB's. Watching the European club comps this Year the difference at the breakdown is night and day between those teams and the Southern hemisphere teams. Can we get the SA sides back into Super Rugby?

[@181958]

Totally agree !!!!

[@hervemurgale8098]

French here. I noticed that many English speaking people often refer to 'the breakdown' as a very specific phase of the game, but I can't grab which it is. Am I misunderstanding something ? If not, can you explain me which game phase 'the breakdown' actually is ? Thx

[@johnfox2409]

@@hervemurgale8098 it is what we used to call a ruck. When a player gets tackled and opposition players are trying to win the ball off the tackled player.

[@hervemurgale8098]

@@johnfox2409 Thank you ! :)

[@wot4922]

Saffa here....NZ didn't want us in SR. They wanted the Pacific Island nations to play instead. That is a fair call ✌🇿🇦

[@paulsmith3966]

You said the key word, TRUST. Ireland completely trusted both each other and their systems. The NZ ill discipline in the first half of the second test, having won the previous game by a handsome margin (albeit largely by capitalising on opposition errors) was a revealing contrast.

[@chewdafat4121]

Here's the thing though Ireland should have scored a lot more.it was not just 2 losses,it was two demolition jobs.

[@3xTuesday]

Joe Schmidt, Scott Robertson, Warren Gatland as coaching staff. Bring in: Ethan De Groot, Luke Jacobson, Alex Nankivell, Thomas Umaga-Jensen, Josh Dickson, Tyrel Lomax, Shannon Frizell, Shaun Stevenson Drop: Angus Taavao, Ofa Tuungafasi, Scott Barrett, Tupou Vaa’i, Sam Cane, RTS, Caleb Clarke, Stephen Perofeta Starting XV 15.Jordan, 14.Stevenson, 13.Nankivell, 12.Umaga-Jensen 11.Ioane 10.Mounga 9.Smith 8.Sotutu 7.Savea 6.Frizell 5.Whitelock 4.Dickson 3.Lomax 2.Taukeiaho 1.De Groot 16.Taylor 17.Ross 18.Laulala 19.Retallick 20.Jacobson 21.Fakatava 22.B.Barrett 23.Faingnuku

[@KernowekTim]

All those top-flight games andTests that Marshy played in gave him vast experience. Age has given him greater perspective, now that he no longer has to put his life on the line on a footy pitch against oppositions that sought to 'nullify' him. I admire the man. He 'says it how it be', he knows the score for sure. I really enjoyed listening to him. No doubt petty sofa snipers will pick at some of his opinions and perspectives like starving snipe trying to probe for worms in a frozen solid Marsh.... FTA... Great interview Martin/Justin. Cheers both.

[@rabbitss11]

Justin's right to recognise the AB's aren't even in the fight at the moment and our attack was as effective as flies hitting a windscreen

[@BooshisLoose1]

Whats interesting from an Irish perspective is that we were in the same situation when Andy Farrell took over, we ended losing a good few games in the reorganized 6N, the autumn nations cups in 2020 that some respected pundits we're calling for Andy to be sacked which is unthinkable now, but it wasn't till we finally beat England in the 2021 6N the first time since that diaster of a game in 2019 that the Irish public and media started to understand the game we wanted to play, I guess the difference between us back then and maybe NZ now is that during that difficult period the players were coming out and saying that were clicking in training and we like the rugby Andy wants to play and basically to give us time cause it will come and now look at us 2 years later winning a series in NZ and being no.1 in the world (which I think is untrue France are 100% the best team in the world rn)

[@mow3186]

Even as a Leinster/Ireland supporter I have to agree France look a better side. They’re even starting to look French again.

[@cathalhealy4861]

i would say its toss up between the French and Irish, home advantage is the difference between the 2 atm

[@jacobking3211]

Jesus said, "I tell you the truth no one will see the kingdom of God unless he is born again. I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me." For God so loved the world that He give His only Son that whoever believes in Him will not perish but will have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but to save the World through Him. For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord, and All who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. " If you want to be sure of Heaven and avoid the other place below say the following prayer sincerely from your heart." Lord Jesus I repent and am sorry for my sins forgive me. I forgive all who have offended me. Come into my heart and save me. I accept you as my Lord and Saviour. Fill me with your Holy Spirit and baptise me with your Holy Spirit. Fulfill your plan and purpose in my life. "I recommend you read John's Gospel especially chapter 3.Gbu.John 3v3v22,John 14v6.

[@Justiceforpets]

@@mow3186 as a Kiwi, I’ve never once seen France as being a consistent side, even after the game achieved professional status, they continue to surprise at every turn. Perhaps consistency for France and other country’s with similar competitive currency have the the advantage over less financially competitive nations of the pandemic era. Just a thought.

[@fundzreal7680]

@@cathalhealy4861 no France are definitely better at present.

[@paulosullivan5145]

I can’t believe now little talk about NZ discipline there is. Not just here but all the NL commentary are very quiet on this matter. NL play on the edge for as long as I’m watching them. The game has changed and NL need to learn this. It was a fantastic series. Would make an amazing World Cup final

[@SuperEdge67]

The only team playing dirty on Saturday was Ireland. They should have got 2 reds, Aki and Porter.

[@Jordan-du6fu]

Razor as head coach Jamie Joseph and Leon macdonald as assistant coaches

[@kpfpv8515]

Jamie Joseph won't do it even if nzru rang him . He's on a cushie number at Japan getting ready for the world cup and Tony Brown is his sidekick.

[@cspace1234nz]

You can't just throw random names out like that, it's not how it works. They choose a head coach then from there he gets to choose who is is best able to work with.

[@KernowekTim]

dream boat stuff only bro.

[@stephenbrown9977]

@@kpfpv8515 that's the dream team with Tony brown as skills coach

[@drisszyani3497]

Razor leon Mcdonald assistant attack and Wayne Smith or Joe schmidt ..more real if disaster continues in south Africa.

[@erwerwewerwer4575]

Fozzy won no super rugby silverware in his tenure with the chiefs. What do you expect?

[@Kiárán92]

How did he get the position then? Was there just no other highly qualified coaches at the time?

[@mattyb3780]

We could've had any of Jamie Joseph, Dave Rennie, Jo Schmidt, or Scott Robertson at the time... All have had far more success and far more experience in a head coaching role.

[@krlauf5307]

Irish were exceptional.

[@rezaparker3893]

We got to face it, foster is just not capable. We are too predictable in attack and our defense can't handle the physicality. Playing players out of position is not helping. Change the management team now.

[@paulharte77]

It would cost an absolute fortune to get rid off all the management team. They're all contracted till after the WC. NZ are in a really bad place

[@rezaparker3893]

True but so does losing

[@J0sh351]

@@paulharte77 Spend the $4 million now to flush out the old and used coaching outfit or suffer long term decline with a early WC exit and more losses leading up to it. That damage is a lot more than paying out the coaching team would ever be. Silverlake just invested $200 million into the All Blacks brand because its valued but at this rate its value is diminishing at rate not seen before. Wouldn't surprise me if the NZRU CEO got a few angry calls the morning after & was forced to make that statement.

[@kevinbrockie6702]

Justin Marshall would make a great CEO of NZ Rugby in my mind a very supportive person who has tremendous knowledge of the exactly what NZ Rugby need at the present moment.

[@aaronmckechnie4467]

Agree with you.

[@rokcafella]

Maybe he's the type of CEO they always try and avoid though and that's at the heart of NZ rugby's problem -too frank, too insightful and too likely to 'rock the boat'

[@khooleo]

I guess one good thing to come from this is we know now we need to change. At least we have time to try fix this before the world cup.

[@rory7590]

It’s only a good thing to know we need change if the people in power actually do makes changes. Otherwise it is torture.

[@glenellia1476]

Most of us have known since the last WC thrashing from England, Big ask with amount of tests available, If and thats a big if it needs to happen Wednesday when the NZRFU announce their review

[@ramondrongonui1024]

Football brain Marshall love his knowledge of the game...

[@barryvanderhaven688]

Its great to see Martin back.

[@nzguy9336]

All I can say is it is going to be one hell of a world cup.

[@Seriouslydave]

If you dont get knocked down, you have nothing to get up and fight for, humbled abs are going to be recharged and focused.

[@lukec2226]

I used to work in government, we had plenty of guys like Fozzie there. Friends with everyone, taking credit for the work of others, good at spin. They quietly work their way to seniority, despite not being good at anything. Trust me, I have seen his type before. He isn't going anywhere unless he is pushed. Kick him out the door, then lock it.

[@justinpreid]

That's an interesting analogy. My twin worked at council level and was forced out when he asked for accountability and better from his superiors. Now has a big role in Maori development for Government. Like shitcan kicking journeymen through AB management he's surrounded still by incompetents.

[@samohanian9339]

What a great interview. Well done. Justin Marshall has become one of the best commentators. It's a shame they can't use his knowledge and experience now. If i was an all black coach i wouldn't hesitate to invite him to be part of this current team.. it's almost the current team and i mean management team are frightened that somebody will take their place if they did that.!!!!

[@raymonddixon7603]

But the host sounds like an airhead. From Ireland.

[@kevinbrockie6702]

I love to listen to Justin comments he is straight to the point.

[@kevinbrockie6702]

Justin Marshall is a man of immense rugby knowledge you only have to listen to the man speak to know that The ultimate man to be CEO of NZ Rugby who will lead a team that will forge our Rugby ahead in leaps and spades.

[@kentgoodall2516]

Sean Fitzpatrick was on the end of a series loss can't remember who it was I remember in an interview he said that was the last time that will ever happen again to him and his team and it was

[@moc7323]

At a guess I’d say France in 94 That would be his era ..

[@kkdeni9589]

He said a similar thing after losing to France in 1986 after the battle of Nantes.

[@rainman3269]

It's laughable that anyone could think that you could even compare Foster to other Past New Zealand coaches at Super or Test level ... He has a terrible track record yet a selection panel containing a Banker and an ex Netball player selected him ...What really did we expect ... The All Blacks never ever win the stats charts ... Its just individual brilliance that gets us thru and even that's drying up ... Clean out the coach and the assistants ... The new Sponsors might be having a re-think ...

[@joethecrow6451]

Jacinda and her WEF cronies influence everything these days Razor is a maverick and they wouldnt be able to control him. Fozzie is bland and that suits them fine

[@JackKinross]

Great interview, all the problems identified ... the big question now is are we good enough, clever enough, to fix them?

[@seymorbutts1027]

ABs lose badly in SA then tear up Fosters contract, because that fool will take the ABs to there worst ever WC results...Foster will not even get close...dump him after SA and be done with it.

[@wot4922]

Why do you think the ABs are going to lose to our Boks? They always up their game when our teams play each other✌🇿🇦

[@seymorbutts1027]

@@wot4922 ABs just kick the ball away now and gift it to the opposition, ABs forwards are getting destroyed up front, Ireland and France proved that so SA will do the same, ABs getting smashed at break down, Foster still has no answer to rush defense and SA rolling maul will murder ABs if Ireland can do it.

[@thrusta100]

@@wot4922 haha 😂 stop living in the past! This is the deluded belief that they are still a side of some quality/ vintage, but they aren’t, they are a rabble, blind Freddy can see it..

[@user-yb9hi3us4p]

@@wot4922 because they have no plan to improve on and while the Ireland pack are decent, they aren't a patch on a fired up Bok pack. we will lose the battle up front by a long way and although we still have the better backline they'll get very little ball and SA will be on the front foot so will fly up and disrupt (legally or otherwise, some debatable 'intercept' attempts recently). SA are the favourites for the first time in a long while.

[@wildcolonialman]

Excellent thank you.

[@jmo8934]

As an Ireland fan I know that it is either ecstasy or disaster in NZ rugby and that it has to be concerning when records that have stood for decades tumble. But NZ rugby has bundles of talent. That will never change. The WC is still a fair way away and when you do have that much talent it can be turned around quickly. Also it may have been palatable in the past just about for NZ to drop a test at home SA or one of the great Aussie sides. But this Ireland team are very very good. There is huge talent there now as well which is a shift in world rugby. I do think that the coaching is the big issue that NZ have right now to sum it all up and if I were them I would replace Ian Foster with either Joe Schmidt or Scott Robertson. That will give an immediate boost and the best possible chance to turn things around in time.

[@philbradshaw7650]

Crazy to think that Rugby is only the fourth biggest team sport in Ireland, If Gaelic football , Hurling and Soccer didn't exist I reckon we'd have won a world cup quarter final by now 🤣

[@thrusta100]

So that’s why it’s taken so long? After all the drubbings in past? Why not just enjoy it, why Irish always validating themselves, “ it was a deserved win” “shoulda won by more” blah , blah...

[@speak_your_truth.]

How many times have you spammed this dude? Get over yourself.

[@philbradshaw7650]

@@speak_your_truth. that's literally the first time I ever wrote that, you clown. , stop with the exagerating. It's not like I said we'd win the world cup. Fuck bro you must be hurting so bad you're making up things to be angry about. Get over it bruh 🤣

[@dnhy7951]

@@speak_your_truth. What is your problem ? His comment is spot on.

[@speak_your_truth.]

@@dnhy7951 boredom.

[@dve804]

As a Saffa, I thought I would be enjoying the disarray of our No.1 opponent, but I am not. We've been in this situation & a lot worse & its crap. All I can say is things will work themselves out guys & I'm sure AB rugby will return to its former glory sooner than you think.

[@Wildlife_SA.]

Yes I agree... from a fellow South African. 🇿🇦 The All Blacks will be back. Good luck on the challenging road ahead. We've eaten humble pie so many times and it sucks! 🏉

[@user-yb9hi3us4p]

yeah mate, must admit even though I enjoyed that 57-0 a few years back there was a part of me feeling really bad for how far SA had fallen. I don't care who gets upset or thinks its arrogant, All Blacks v Bokke is THE rivalry. nothing else comes close in world rugby. I fear you'll be picking up 2 easy wins next month though

[@sandorclegane3658]

As a saffa, I love it. The AB's will be fine. Wrong coach and wrong captain. They are fine they will sort it.

[@bonjovi7120]

Moffie

[@mattyb3780]

I knew way back when nzr picked foster as head coach it was a big mistake. They had Dave Rennie, Scott Robertson, Jo Schmidt, and Jamie Joseph all pining for the position. Any of those would've been a better choice (I personally would've picked Joseph, and if he stuck with Japan, I'd have gone with Rennie)

[@sebjones1566]

Not bad for small country like Ireland, when rugby is not the main sport in Ireland.

[@peterthepakeha2799]

The best viewing was the broadcasters reaction to the game of thrones intro at halftime, classic.

[@ch0ptLiva]

Awesome game Ireland!!!! Can’t wait for the World Cup

[@alana994aj6]

Maybe it's our competition structure , Australia and pacific islands aren't going harden and unskill in pressure matches and no games with South Africa or Argentina.

[@terrykirby-fahey7363]

What action is taken regarding the ABs the head coach role will provide all fans with a clear indication of the Rugby Unions level of commitment to win the next world cup.......

[@charliebannon5489]

Hey NZ, Chillax. You lost a couple of games ...so what??? It's like that for the rest of us outside New Zealand who love rugby. You win some, you lose some. In the 6 Nations, any one of four teams could win each year. So you appreciate it when your team wins. NZ don't have an entitlement to win every time. Look at Ireland's record in the 1990s. Absolutely awful. Now we appreciate each win, without a sense of entitlement. On another note, I really appreciate the respect coming towards Ireland from New Zealand since Saturday. Thank you. I love your country 🙂, and yes, New Zealand will bounce back

[@ricgee1990]

You got it wrong Charlie - There is no other team like All blacks in the history of Rugby - FACT As Fans We expect the All blacks to WIN every game - and they do most times - FACT lokk back over 100+ years , its a team steeped in legacy thats why we will not accept a lose - we are NOT Ireland who could not beat allblacks for 117 years , we're all blacks for a reason Its this expectation that makes All blacks who they are Not for a moment do I believe that All blacks should have Lost the Series to Ireland The point is the real allblacks and the right coach of the all blacks have been purposefully kept out of the picture by NZRU - post 2019 Dont know how much you know about Foster - but hes the worst super rugby coach ever , hes been taking learnings and has made ZERO strategic changes to the all blacks games, he takes on-form super players and turns them to dead tired dogs on the field with no strategy We can accept a lose if the allblacks give it their all and loose - fair play - no problems - its not entitlement by any stretch!!!!! And meanwhile every record there is dear to the All blacks is smashed not by Opposition but by the NZRU stupid decisions , to carry on with crap I gurantee you if we had even our 3rd rate coach , irish would not win a single match against all blacks - thats not entitlement Replace andy farrel with the worst coach in ireland what do you think would have happend on the ireland tour to NZ'ed - I think you got youer answer right there charlie All blacks had a similar dip in the late 1990's and the same politics is repeating itself again - SAD but true

[@charliebannon5489]

@@ricgee1990 Hey ric gee. You're either a comedian or an entitled asshole 🤣 😂🤣😂🤣😂. Almost every otherZealander I've heard comment was gracious, sporting and classy. Good on them ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ By the way, I don't think you're a comedian 😂🤣😂 Now...as I don't allow narcissistic parasites in my life.... go fuck yourself or go and get some serious therapy. I won't be seeing your predictable aggressive reaction as you are blocked following this reply. As for the classy New Zealanders, maybe consider becoming as amazing as them 😉

[@julianalderson3938]

Think it shows on set piece.we played oz brumbies at the end of last year. But really we havent played them so long, weve lost it.

[@seanc6042]

Defo Ireland had a really good hybrid of tactics, for thier forwards & backs incl kicking smartly. The sign of a well coached side. But ABs did not look well coached. Individually ABs have the players and pretty much always will. But need a cohesive & flexible game plan.

[@jacobrakei8392]

Oh why is Justin Marshall being interviewed here? Most of his commentary gives the impression…….now it all. He would be best coaching the Warriors to help bring him back to earth.

[@alana994aj6]

Comes to basic skills in handling , indecisive playmaker, coaches game plan and coaches to able to address teams flaws.

[@johnage1234]

I think the problem over the last few years has been handling errors. Its very important especially in test matches. When our prop tried to offload in front of the posts in the first half basically giving them prime attacking opportunity which they scored from. Its just the wrong mentality. We need to be more secure in these big matches

[@bobburroughs6241]

Marvellous for Ireland - this is a substandard All Blacks side compared with any of at least the past 10 years - and I'm neutral. They've no right to keep winning forever.

[@scottjudge5704]

Statistically the 2016 to 2018 was the best AB team ever, and Ireland beat them twice. New Zealand are just terrible losers........

[@atapene]

Who said anyone had any right? They never won all the time anyway

[@atapene]

@@scottjudge5704 about as bad as ireland really.... oh you don't remember the reaction when the abs beat them in Dublin after chicago? Nothing but whining about cheating and reffing and blah blah. Everyone's the same

[@jamesburke2094]

if the world cup were tomorrow, it 'd be the most open WC for a long time maybe ever

[@jonnybyrne989]

As an Irish born avid rugby fan, we have really mind fucked the excistance of the all blacks, werid spending most of your life being sorrow victims , to absolutely killing the zeitgeist of the all blacks.🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪

[@thrusta100]

Even Mike Tyson got beat in his hey day mate, you beat the worst ABs team in 24 years, it’s end of an era, nothing lasts forever..

[@jonnybyrne989]

@@thrusta100 we also beat them 5 times in 6 years 🤷

[@nepiahemopo1702]

@@jonnybyrne989 RWC here we come!!! Knock out tourney like the RWC, disregards rank and file.

[@steventaumoepeau601]

Lack of game plan, smart, skills, accuracy, leadership, tempo, confidence, fight and courage well said Marshall. Our game plan should be prioritising on our strengths such as attack, because that fixes confidence, skill, tempo, and make smarter options. Our weakness such as the mauls and breakdown shows we are not picking the right players that can compete. Poor game plan and wrong players doesn't allow for good leadership, and all points back to the coaching staff and like Marshall said "we are way off the mark" Whoever the coach is going forward the game plan must be focussed on the DNA of All Black rugby and the right players that have the talent to execute.

[@rockyroadblues100]

yous were just beating by a far superior team its not rocket science lads get a proper manager and coach ,

[@christopherwyndham-mellor7065]

The NZ youth are not performing...I'd be worried about the future.

[@huntarama9375]

good on ireland for years they were the better team but lost because they come up against better players. The allblacks were a team of individuals.

[@user-yb9hi3us4p]

Let's get controversial. NZR need to pull their heads in, forget about this wokey doke diversity cr@p and get back to their core job. they operate on behalf of and are owned by the provincial unions, they do not own the game in this country and their job is to administer it and ensure the All Blacks are the best equipped they can be. having a female quota on the board leads to all this rubbish of "oh but Fozzie is such a lovely man. everyone should stop being so mean". reminds of dear leader and her "be koind' nonsense. can you imagine Grizz or Loz having any truck with that? there, that should fire some people up.

[@Camcolito]

Yeah that really got a big response, what a Hellraiser!! :-D

[@user-yb9hi3us4p]

@@Camcolito yeah maybe people are as wokey doke as the pretend. Good. (Although pretty sure this is the one someone has complained about 😆🤣)

[@jeanclaudebertoni6262]

Justin you are being very harsh.... the AB's had many plans. When Plan A does not work do Plan "A again". When Plan "A again" does not work, do plan A again "but not as well". When Plan A again "not as well" does not work, do Plan A again but "really badly", and then if nothing works let the players go rogue and try to win with one off efforts, that should do the trick. Foster coaching manual 101, "hide my inability to coach behind the individual skill of the players". Fiji would have scared the *%*% out of the AB's.

[@markopoloasia]

How much is the AB brand worth? Does winning help the brand? Employing an average head coach maybe hurting the brand? What’s a few million to save the AB brand. Results speak for themselves. We have the talent right?

[@stanawayLawns]

Hate to say this as an abs fan but I was hoping Ireland carried on in the 2nd how they dominated the 1st half. Don’t think Foster would be coach anymore if that happend

[@warrenbooysen]

They’re being beaten on the ground, lineouts, mauls and collisions. It doesn’t take a fool to realise the forwards are the problem. Grunt required. The physicality is lacking and with Brodie gone….it’s halved. Only grunt left is Cole’s, sarvia and whitelock. The rest have been playing ruck and run rugby and forgotten it’s Union. Job one is win the forward exchanges. Until this is realised fully and new stock is found the results will continue not to come. Thorne, low, Fitzpatrick, Brooke,Hayman, etc. they were grunt first and offloaders second. A general “Back to basics” in the pack is required. Ireland could have all the structures they want…if they didn’t win up front, they would be on the back foot and it would count for zero.

[@chasey2327]

agree - fear factor of all black packs of the past has gone, there was always that 'beaten before the game starts' aura about NZ teams that they need to rediscover.

[@aaronreid116]

New Zealands pack was about 50 kg heavier than Ireland

[@mramazingtroy]

This talk about New Zealand getting back to their DNA playing a free flowing game is BS. I remember forward packs that starved the opposite of ball and backs that worked as team instead of individual brilliance. It seemed that forward pack had at least one forward that had a bit of mongrel about him and a forward that was a master of the grey area in rucks and mauls and finally a captain that new how to talk to the ref and possibly given him some assistance.

[@seanyshepfit]

Cane is pretty grunt

[@johnhanson5943]

The ABs looked tired to me. They normally have more energy than the opposition. Fitness which gives them the edge in terms of supporting and in terms of not making mistakes. Lack of physicality in the pack causing lethargy everywhere else? Other factors? Over-training? Sickness? The Irish are physical and are good in the backs. I’d say under Farrell, they’ve moved up at least one notch recently. They and France were significantly better than other teams in the 6N. Top class now - especially with Sexton fit (even if long in the tooth). So, they and France have definitely got better. Don’t ignore that fact!

[@tenlance3182]

The ABs also looked tired in last autumn series didn't they?

[@duncanwcraig9668]

foster out after the RC. his winning percentage will be down to 60 percent.

[@kevinbrockie6702]

Perhaps we have to look at the level these players a playing super rugby which is not not as intense as six nations rugby.Six nations Rugby is test match rugby week in week out.

[@kevinbrockie6702]

Robinson is a lame duck with lack of leadership qualities should be backing Ian Foster not throwing him under the bus.

[@paulharte77]

Tab Betting NZ should never have put those Advertisements up. They're a bad Omen.

[@dunphymarc]

Apparently it was photocopied and put up in the irish changing room for the 2nd test.

[@puppysoda7062]

So it’s Money that dictates wether a coach stays or goes?

[@cyberpunkworld]

Yeah I know I'm disgusting mate. Let me tell you stories.

[@Lucky0Wretch]

Ahem.. just wanted to mention that Argentina actually won their series against Scotland, so it's level as far as Northern vs. Southern hemisphere rugby goes. From a saffa perspective, I'd just like to thank Argentina for coming to the party, maybe Australia and New Zealand should be doing the same before just assuming that Argentina lost without bothering to at least check. The 3rd Scotland vs. Argentina game was a real cracker. Maybe southern hemisphere punters should watch some other teams sometime? Springboks are going to turn the screws on the ABs this time and make them eat some humble pie. Lord knows, as South Africans, we've done enough of it in the past. It sucks, but it's good for you.

[@abdulwagiedismail4530]

Shame on Foster for persisting with Sam Cane.He has been.The All blacks have lost that their aggressiveness.When they played South Africa in 2002 at Loftus Versveld ,Pretoria convincingly beating the Springboks with over 30 points.The All Blacks coach of that time was asked after the match how did they manage to beat the Springboks with such huge score the reply was that " we more aggressive then them "

[@johnmc3862]

Maybe they should have co captains as with the MAB's. So it would be CoKane on effect.

[@angusbailey1597]

What if we loose the Bledisloe Cup & at Eden Park….😳

[@daffyd5867]

You just put a chill up the spine...

[@user-yb9hi3us4p]

Dear God, no. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Wash it out immediately! I live in Australia, they would be unbearable. Suddenly every Aussie would be a rugby expert again.

[@fariedmanuel]

It is that simple - Boks sacked Coetzee, appointed Rassie and went on to win almost everything

[@J0sh351]

Yep amazing how many so called rugby brains don't remember that.

[@aaronreid116]

Didnt Rassie allow all players from abroad to play for Boks?.maybe All Blacks do the same?

[@sandygrant-taylor8819]

Just the words "something is not right" shows a great amount of uncertainty. The words were uttered by Foster when trying to choose between Mounga and Barrett a year ago. As coach there just should not be this level of uncertainty. If there is to be a change, it has to be sooner rather than later to give the new coach time before the next world cup. Yet more uncertainty.

[@CaptNeeda]

As regards Wales and Scotland, I think your record is safe for the foreseeable..

[@harryocallaghan8082]

That scoreine is flattering for the All Blacks because the reality is Ireland completely dominated them the entire game

[@Fighting_Irish184]

Ireland’s win and the whole Ireland structure is a NZ export. It has Joe Schmidt’s fingerprints all over it. The style is NZ style, the physicality, ball handling, and mental toughness is something Ireland never had years ago.

[@digitaldemocracyai-rob]

Joe Schmit was key. He brought us a professional mindset with disciplined, astute decision making. We needed that structure, however in the end, it was too restricted. Could he turn the ABs around? Absolutely....but for how long until the opposition figure the plays out?

[@porcupineinapettingzoo]

Discipline! Every international team does their homework on referees to see what they can get away with NZ commentators, fans and even players seem to expect SuperRugby officiating and throw a strop when things don't go their way.

[@EolasColas]

And Joe Schmidt is just finished in a role in the IRB and knows the issues inside out

[@user-yb9hi3us4p]

no, just the randomness of the officiating. 2 identical collisions, 1 week its red, next week its yellow. wtf? and our mate Wayne Barnes again... an aussie bloke gets whacked in the face in front of the ref, nothing. a bit later he chucks a dumb headbutt and gets rightly carded, but had the ref done his job in the first instance it wouldn't have escalated to the latter. didn't see the SA v Wales series, but I hear a welshman got binned for hands in the ruck when nobody touched the ball? and the amount of players getting taken well away from the rucks and mauls is also a blight on the game. some shockers in the highlights I saw from Ireland, and seems to be quite common in the previous 6N games I watched. rub of the green is one thing and you understand refs will miss a few things, but the inconsistency each week is just a joke and it's ruining matches. I haven't watched a game live for well over a year now (not super, provincial or int'l) because I can't be bothered. I just wait for the report and then watch the replay if it sounds worthwhile. how can you claim they do homework on the refs when you have no idea what the refs will call from 1 week to the next? rugby is in real danger here and I fear the RWC will be blighted by sending offs next year. Unfortunately it will take a farcical final before WR finally realise they've stuffed up (yet again).

[@porcupineinapettingzoo]

@@user-yb9hi3us4p Ladies and gentlemen, a perfect example of throwing a strop. There's always been dodgy officiating, there always will, the difference now unlike the good old days, we don't have players leaving the field without an ear and no one sanctioned, a player spear tackled into hospital and no one carded. I and the Irish commentary team I was listening to felt Porter was going to get a red, but the situations were not exactly the same, Porter was stationary braced for a much taller player to run through him, the fact that there was a clash was more to do with the attacker than the defender where the NZ card was at best 50/50, but defenders need to tackle low and stop blaming refs when things go against them.

[@user-yb9hi3us4p]

@@porcupineinapettingzoo ladies and gentleman yet another perfect example of lack of comprehension. seriously, what is wrong with people these days? just inventing things in their heads. what are you on about missing ears and spear tackles into hospitals? get a grip, son. anyway, let's examine your argument here. Porter was stationary and braced for the impact. So by your own admission he saw it coming and had enough time to get into a lower position to avoid the head clash. Definitely a red card under WR rules then. The 2nd test was a more fluid situation for sure, and the Irish player came back on the cut. change of direction at high speed. it happens. however my argument has always been that neither of them are cards or even penalties, they are both accidental. collisions. Seems a reflection of society that anything that goes wrong must have someone to blame. sorry, but sometime sht just happens. no player deliberately goes for the intentional head clash to take someone out! and as I've said before, it has nothing to do with making it safer, it's all about the optics of cracking down. long term brain injury is seldom caused by 1 or 2 big head knocks. its all the continual small impacts without proper recovery that build up damage in the brain and prevent it from healing properly. Ryan Jones retired mid-30s? I'm guessing he played through high school, so that 20 years of hard tackles rattling his brain. No wonder he's got some issues. Even a legit low tackle in the ribs can cause the head to snap back, and what do you think happens to your brain? It smacks against your skull. But no head impact so no need for an HIA, carry on son. Hit again in a ruck clean out, fended off, maybe bumped out of a tackle or two. The number of small concussion events in a game can be high for a forward. So that's what they need to focus on if they want to make the game safer. But how you play rugby with low impacts, I have no idea.

[@porcupineinapettingzoo]

@@user-yb9hi3us4p Spear tackle dislocated a targeted Brian O Driscoll's shoulder in 2005, I remember reading about a French player's ear being kicked off in some biography. You know the good old days when you spent more time watching live rugby than writing about it. personally I prefer now when instead of being battered and bruised for three games and being sent home humiliated, all the tests at the weekend could have gone either way after half time, I can't wait for the world cup, refereeing will never be perfect and you make a great argument about headtruma but I want to see rugby a remain a contact sport, but I wouldn't have had a complaint if Porter was sent off, he knows the rules, you recognise that the situations were not the same, so why complain about inconsistencies and the need to stop letting cards ruin games after a great game wasn't ruined by a red card because the situation was not the same.

[@stevemartin3370]

What most of you seem to be missing, the All Blacks biggest problem is discipline. Ireland won because they exploit when AB players are off the field. AB rugby has always played close to the line in terms of discipline, the games moved on and ABs have been left behind, loosing players and test series

[@speak_your_truth.]

Lol, your talking crap. Simply outplayed, out thought and out muscled. How many AB's were off the field in the last test when they were completely dismantled, particularly in the first half?

[@speak_your_truth.]

Your in that Egyptian river dude 🧂🧂🧂🤣

[@southernfriedkiwi6340]

Maybe there is too much money in the game nowadays. Do the ABs have a bonus system in place for wins or do they get paid the same, regardless of whether they win or lose? Maybe they need a salary cut and bonuses if they win?

[@user-yb9hi3us4p]

outdated view mate. yes, they all have performance clauses and bonuses. and they don't get paid very much for what they put their bodies through. I earn about the same as an AB for sitting in my home office, and I don't have to worry about a major injury stopping my earning. they earn stuff all compared to overseas too. and AB might earn $250k in NZ and have to put up with the constant scrutiny or he can go earn twice that just playing club rugby in Europe. start cutting wages and just lose more players. go the other way - start paying them more and you'll have more staying here to compete for places and pushing each other to better performances.

[@keego_keego]

Alot of the AB players are not up to scratch. Look at the job Savea and a couple of others did in the second half, they tried to drag the team through a tough test. Getting rid of the coach is one thing, but with the rwc around the corner, it will take too long for a new coach to put their stamp on the team. You need to look internally first. Some of those players need to look at themselves. Whe you have players like mccaw / carter with a lot of tests in their boots, not alot of people are coming through. It is a rebuild.

[@jamesphillips7885]

Carter and macaw were generational talents. Nz have problems at 7, 10 (neither barrett or mounga seem up to it), 12, 13(reikos awing)

[@tooxtalivai0690]

Would it be safe to say that the No.7 should be someone who’s name rhymes with Ardie Savea. Or are we still on the Cane train?

[@redneckReno]

name another squad?

[@janniemeyer9951]

The team lost its self confidence under Foster. Here’s a plan: keep the management and coaches but appoint a Director of Rugby over Foster. (Like Rassie calling the game plan shots to Nienhaber who is really not a coach.

[@speak_your_truth.]

Foster has no clue. You need to get him out of there.

[@redneckReno]

disconnected individuals is right on point!!

[@zabaleta66]

Justin, NOT Frizzell, who got stood over by Kremer and Matera! Akira is the 6! Grace is good for 8 and cover at 6. For mine, Sowakula should never have been selected, good player but he's not sound in a couple of areas. Jacobson should have been in the squad.

[@expressoevangelism80]

Not only we’re Ireland excellent, and played to their strengths, the game was fairly refereed by the world’s best acknowledged official. Wayne Barnes is a good straight guy. The All Blacks regularly get away with near murder so often, but only managed 1 try from a forward pass this match. Hard luck. Not up to your normal break of good fortune. 🥲

[@bryanodriscoll2123]

If any team will learn from a loss it's the ABs. It would be a mistake for the rest of the rugby world to think that there has really been a seismic change in the game simply because a northern hemisphere team have finally managed to win a series in NZ. Records are there to be broken. It was a great achievement for the Irish team but I'd say it's never going to be easy to beat the ABs, now or any time in the future. If the 'boks want to beat them in the coming series they're going to have to play out of their skins. Overall, though, it's good for rugby. We need several good national teams with a chance to win the World Cup, not just the usual three who have won 8 out of the 9 cups to date. Unfortunately, rugby is imbalanced in that way. There are simply not enough top national teams in the sport at present. We have to forget about the amateur era. Rugby was a different sport then, not really comparable to the professional era. For example, the Italian team of today would probably wipe the floor with any team, including the ABs, from the 1960s. However, in this professional era the ABs still set the standard that all the rest have to come up to and exceed. Interesting times.

[@neilstuarr2278]

well said justin marshall

[@davidwalker2402]

I think when you lose the last 8 games 5-3 you seriously can’t expect to win 3-0 , that is arrogance of the highest order…

[@Olivierstreet]

Maybe they should stop trying to replace the greats with a single player and try two. Akira and Grace for Kaino. Grace will grind hard and get stuck in while off the bench Akira will move bodies when they’re tired. Just need a cohesive game plan and no fear in pulling a player out if the plan changes.

[@Seactor]

Nothing is off. NZ are brilliant.. They weren't allowed to have the broken play oxygen that they breath. We took away there bread and butter and exposed their lack of tactical depth. No crisis in NZ rugby. Ireland were superior. That's it. Most of the recent games NZ lost were also against Ireland. No panic. A year out from WC 23. France and Ireland are the best two teams out there...for now. We are well aware that the WC comes round this means little. No let up from Ireland. Who could have lived with that?

[@hunterluxton5976]

It's sheer hubris if you think the All Black's can win every single match. They got hammered by the English in the last World Cup. You cant win every game, to think so is delusional.

[@maxcassidy4527]

for the first the AB's looked lost when they had the ball. all their runs were quickly shut down with first up tackles by the Irish....

[@Hoy-ya]

New Zealand rugby extended the current recheme so be it on them

[@JGrowl-er9md]

Looking in from outside, expectations in NZ are unrealistic. Marshall said he expected NZ to win 3-0. Against a team that's won against every team in past 2 years and lost only once, in Paris, by a single score. What sort of fantasy/arrogance is this? Breaking the duck in 2011 (just) and backing it up in 2015 seems to have clouded memories of what happened before. NZ is still the premier rugby nation, but you're not out on your own, ahead of everyone else. Currently Ireland, France, and South Africa are every bit as strong and along with NZ are the top four sides, clearly currently ahead of the rest. And the last five games were Ire, Fra, Ire, Ire, Ire, with two to come away to SA. It's not like you're losing to every team, you're only playing the very best.

[@huzcer]

Ireland have lost more than once in the last two years and have lost to England as well as the last 3 matches against France

[@JGrowl-er9md]

@@huzcer Not quite. 18months I should have written. Ireland beat England the last two 6 nations, home and away. Lost to France twice.

[@huzcer]

@@JGrowl-er9md but you did say two years and they lost to England in nov 2020 as well as to France in October 2020 and in the two six Nations since so 3 times to France and once to England in the the last two years. with a 37 year old 10 depth is a real problem in some positions!

[@thrusta100]

NZ obviously don’t have the pop. to build depth any more, like in Europe, numbers and talent way down...

[@huzcer]

@@thrusta100 in reality more than half of Ireland's current team come from a very small number of schools and rugby is only the 4th sport there by participation. mainly down to coaching from academy level up.

[@flimflama9333]

NZ need a prime Jonah Lomu.

[@itsyourboyyy]

Jonah is average size these days

[@flimflama9333]

@@itsyourboyyy not the same tackle bust abilities

[@jack-zy5bt]

@@itsyourboyyy not issue its decision making thats issue not all size

[@justsayin8700]

If you’re lining David Havili at 12 he needs his Crusaders teammates (Mounga , Faingaanuku , Sevu and Jordan) beside him cos they have chemistry to utilise each other on attack. Beauden and Jordy are good players but are INDIVIDUAL players.

[@SuperEdge67]

Havili is not a test class player. Fainganuuku isn’t test class at the moment. His defence in the 2nd test was atrocious.

[@justsayin8700]

@@SuperEdge67 I’m not saying they are , I’m saying their backline had no chemistry . They were literally getting bailed out by Will Jordan. I looked at the team sheet and knew Ireland was gonna win lol

[@HiMom2024]

What’s Marshall smoking? They lost 5 straight Bledisloe Cups. they not got eliminated out of every World Cup from 91-07.

[@mattbarrett8092]

We are even missing the simple draw and pass these days, which Africa was guilty of when they were in a massive rut. Replace the coaches bring in razor, and some of these players that get automatic selection. Cane, Aaron Smith, beauden Barrett, and even codie Taylor. Will Jordan is our best fullback, Ardie, Cullen grace and Ethan Blackadder backrow. Brad Webber and either Christie or Bryn hall at 9. Tukeaho 100% in the 22. Hopefully Mackenzie will be back in contention soon

[@michaelvdunne]

Also the AllBlacks we’re refereed for 2 tests got away with murder inestimable test. Please open your eyes and count how many penalties were given away by tackling the man by going past the rucks?

[@murray7584]

What is everyone on about? The all blacks are just the 4th ranked team in rugby at the moment. Just don’t have the players, get over it.