Justin Marshall on the All Blacks' future after the Rugby World Cup | It's Only Sport

[@richardmarshall1647]

Was a real pleasure having Justin Marshall commentate for SuperSport and our Springbok games. Wealth of knowledge and some interesting takes by one of the best ever scrumhalves. Masterstoke by the SuperSport Execs.

[@jeremyreid9582]

South Africa were victorious not only on the field but with our selection of Mr. Justin Marshall for pre-match and post-match commentary. ‘Alles Alles’ was very informative whilst also being entertaining to watch. I do hope that our (🇿🇦) broadcasters are able to keep him for future test games- his expert commentary will again be appreciated.

[@markwinter7511]

Can anyone shed any light on what happened to JK and Jeff since the final.

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

JK joined Isis - his new gf not the other Isis.

[@RuggaDebugger]

lol , looking for a point?

[@ivotheg2397]

What do you mean?

[@RuggaDebugger]

@@ivotheg2397 Boks are the best in the world 🏉🏉🏉🏉

[@stevenwortrich6014]

Nope, they're still in the dark.

[@tonymadden9021]

Pollard didn’t miss a kick at goal in the World Cup. Richie and Jordie missed one each in the final. There is where we lost the final. Not many people mentioning this fact.

[@cspace1234nz]

...because it's not a 'fact', it's just a perspective. Had the All Blacks scored 9 more points, SA probably would have scored another 10 is another perspective

[@danielson9841]

You lost because overall the AB's were inaccurate in the game. 2 yellow cards from very inaccurate tackles. You Ritchie or Jordie made those kicks whose to say what the Boks would have done, they would have probably found a way to win.

[@tonymadden9021]

@@danielson9841 one of those yellow cards was a red Dan

[@ivotheg2397]

I've mentioned it in all my posts.

[@Patrick8804]

If Razor can unearth a Pollard or Farrell that'll be good enough for me.

[@Kid_Senekal]

It was such a pleasure getting to hear Justin Marshall comment on Supersport. Not only has a great rugby intellect but also able to verbalise it well. And being in a studio with Jean de Villiers, Shimi and Matfield he probably greatly expanded his array of Afrikaans swear words....

[@marcdaniels9079]

Hansen 100% correct. Ruining the game totally. TV needs to be engaged in the problem. Marshall spot on.

[@Bokgat]

First everyone crying out for tech. Now they are shunning it. Just need to use it more wisely and appropriately

[@Mysterx1440]

Im just chuffed that the ABs played NZ style throughout, tests are a clash of styles, our style rocks

[@theofilusbouwer3430]

Yeah but all blacks kicked more than boks in final and world cup

[@HerbalTee29]

Saffa stat for rolling around the ground for penalties 1000%

[@Atraa]

Would have been more stoked if we were world champs

[@theofilusbouwer3430]

@@Atraa was very close mate could have gone both ways just like 2015 world cup semi final or 1995 world cup final or most games between springboks and all blacks.

[@dhirshg]

Attacking rugby rarely wins world cups though. Just ask NZ 1991-2011 and then 2019-2027.

[@eugeneloggenberg2314]

The Boks provided the tournament with 3 of the Greatest 4 Games quite probably in the History of the WC...that being the Pool B match against the Irish...the Quarter Final against the Favorite and Home team French & the Final against their Arch Nemesis the All Blacks...the Quarter Final match between the Irish & All Blacks making up the 4th one. The Boks played against the 5th, 3rd & 4th Ranked Terms during the duration...Winning an Unprecedented 4th Title as well as Equaling the All Blacks's Back to Back record....8 WC Appearances - 4 Gold 2 Bronze & 2 Quarter Final exits...a Win Ratio of 50%...and you'll have to be a Brave man Bet against them from possibly Winning the 1st Treble in history...with Rassie at the helm + whomever to become the next coach + Enough Player Depth who will surely come through the SA Machine/Factory - it is a Definitely Possibility !

[@patmc5474]

Great work by Martin and Justin

[@michaeljones6369]

I'm south African and I think NZ could definitely benefit from letting more players play overseas, and for their country, I think it's helped SA rugby. We lose so many players yo overseas teams but good overseas teams but it then gives the chance for the younger players to get a chance and step up alot of them would be on the bench if we had that rule in place and all the players playing overseas bring so much information back with them on certain players they play with and can pass that on to the rest of the team

[@steve1234544]

Love the commentary 😄But I have one question: Is it me or did Justin Marshall go to the Dentist before the interview? 😂😂😂

[@elizabethleiper2664]

once more - really interesting chat between these 2 👍

[@trevorfinlay7393]

Great conversation guys. I have waited a for a while to digest the entire RWC and to listen to others before I comment. I congratulate SA for winning the World Cup. The AB’s will be hurting as they had their opportunities and didn’t take them. I am a Kiwi living in Canada. I have played rugby in both countries and I am passionate about the game. Living in a country where rugby is not followed by a large number of people I encouraged many friends to watch the final. When it was done and dusted many friends were confused about the rules and how they are applied. I spent plenty of time trying to explain yellow cards and the laws around rucks and why the TMO was overruling the ref….and so on… The abuse of officials is a concern in most sports at every level. What referees need is the support of their governing body through training and providing the systems for them to do the very best job on the field. The silence from world rugby regarding the team officials since the RWC final speaks volumes. We have heard from so many rugby greats; players, officials and pundits stating that there is a problem. The “system” does not support the referee. I agree that Wayne Barnes is the best rugby referee in world rugby but it didn’t appear that way when the TMO overruled his decisions on the field. I think it not only made Barnes look bad it frustrated him also. World Rugby needs to take responsibility for this and make some adjustments to how the TMO is used and improve the game. RWC France was a huge success by the numbers but the next 2 might be a tough sell in countries where rugby is not nearly as popular. We want people talking about how great the game is and not the controversy of decisions made by officials watching video screens. Some questions World Rugby should answer…if player safety is number 1, then why didn’t any players come off the field for an HIA? There were at least 2 other incidents that involved head contact….why were they overlooked. If I remember rightly you could hear the TMO say after one incident “it was a glancing blow no foul play”. The Smith no try….you can clearly hear Wayne Barnes say “no knock on, play on”. Yet the TMO reviews it 10 times in super slow motion and tells Wayne your wrong reverse that decision. That is just rubbish. In trying to make the game better and safer World Rugby is doing the opposite and the game is a tough sell outside of a few countries.

[@Bokgat]

Aus on a par with France 2 maybe third sports. League and Aussie rules will bring more crowds to Aus than soccer crowds to the French. Not sure I agree the next WC will be a hard sell.

[@Knowyourintent]

Lots of things to be upset about with the 2023 Rugby World Cup, for me, Justin Marshall being omitted from the Sky commentary team was one of them.

[@Balance-v8x]

Exactly, at least he is objective and not afraid to speak the truth, unlike the pariocal and sour JK and Goldie.

[@omekafalconburn9202]

The lack of continuity and game time in modern rugby needs to be addressed, unless we want to end up like Gridiron the TMO rules need to be changed not for the All Blacks sake but for the future of the game itself.

[@michaelbaxter7452]

If NZ won the game you wouldn't say that haha

[@robmac3103]

@@michaelbaxter7452forget about the result, don’t you think a game with more flow would be better viewing?

[@jaconortje5009]

You are spewing the same narrative as JK and Jeff, everyone claiming the game is dying because of the stop/start nature and TMO intervention. I can promise you this RWC will be the most watched World Cup of all time across the world once the viewership stats get released. Stop with this nonsense, if you want to watch a faster paced game, go and watch rugby league.

[@vumokuhlemsezane2728]

​@@robmac3103 you are talking rubbish, fair play is more important fast pace running rugby favours the All blacks meaning TMO will have to ignore forward passes just to keep the game flowing. You have done that if the past and you dominated. Flair play!!!! I am entertained when I see low scores and two teams trying to break each other.

[@omekafalconburn9202]

@@jaconortje5009 no I will not watch rugby league rugby when it’s played and refereed well as in the all Blacks Ireland game is a fantastic game Maybe you should go watch lawn bowls or something?

[@johannblignaut1966]

What about resuming short NZ/SA tours in non WC and Lions tour years.3Tests and 4 to 5 provincial games.Will be a winner in SA.

[@toscabrutus1781]

Uitstekende program. Goeie bespreking! Uitstekende Objektiwiteit! Springbokke!

[@cspace1234nz]

After well over 50 years of watching every single All Blacks test match, the last game I watched was the one where SBW was given a red card against the Lions. I could see where it was heading and I haven't been wrong. Add to that the bit where NZ Rugby appointed an incompetent coach, only the pathologically optimistic fans are able to be fully enthusiastic about rugby and the once great and feared All Blacks. Perhaps next year will start being different with a proper coach, a genuine winning coach. That still doesn't change the shambles World Rugby have done to the game though.

[@marcdaniels9079]

You are not a true AB fan then.

[@cspace1234nz]

@@marcdaniels9079 …really, and what does a “true All Blacks fan” look like, someone who tolerates incompetence and lack of excellence from the board of NZ Rugby down over an extended period ? No thanks and I’m certainly not the only one, there’s a great many of us I can tell you that.

[@networkn]

You had me until incompetent coach. You sound unhinged.

[@cspace1234nz]

@@networkn .so let’s get this clear, I “had you” till I put forward a view that you don’t like and I’m the one that’s unhinged ? What a fucking child !

[@ShiNooBi1986]

​@@cspace1234nzTrue fans support through thick and thin...

[@Bcharles1200]

Ja let’s not forget that pass to Telea was three metres forward and by that stage the tmo didn’t want to intervene but should have. And there was a dropped ball that 9/10 times is called forward, just after that, before the try. So there’s five points you don’t get 9/10 times. So too much tmo then not enough when it counts

[@joshhudson7413]

it wasn't a forward pass and it went backwards out of the hands. It doesn't matter if the ball bounces forward afterwards. What about Eben forearming Sam Cane in the face, Jesse Kriel not going off for an HIA, Ardies wrongful penalty and disallowing a try after it had been 5 phases when it is only supposed to be 2

[@grantrau3066]

Exactly, NZ fans deluded, call out TMO when it suits, knock on is a knock on

[@Mysterx1440]

It was 10 m forward, No, make that 11m

[@grantrau3066]

@@joshhudson7413you lost

[@HerbalTee29]

SA fans triggered, they know they shouldn’t have won 😂

[@smartalecc]

Why is no one talking about the TV Production and weird use of replays in France? For me, that was the most sus part of the whole tournament - over and over again we'd see the wrong replays used during big decisions and then a NEW ANGLE of the play being shown only after the try was awarded. Infuriating

[@markwinter7511]

Cmon people. In the S and Q the boks were faced with match deciding kicks. They fronted up and put them over. Had they missed it was all over. In the final NZ won a penalty to take the game. The shot was missed. Its no more complicated than that.

[@cspace1234nz]

...it's way more complicated than that. Just like Ireland were alwats going to choke, the All Blacks under the incompetent coach were never going to win the RWC.

[@barnyduffy1531]

hi don't know if this has been talked about but the two captains were sent off in the final for head high tackles. in approximately the sixth minute Exobeth charged Sam and as he neared raised his forearm and struck Sam deliberately in the head. a red card all day long if you were a defender and ( booed off the park) .so why not if you are an attacker. the same damage is done, wtf. not a comment from any of the officials.

[@jaysneddon584]

Never mind Tmo,once again ,if the all blacks took the kicks PROPERLY, it was ours.speak the bloody truth boys.

[@jaredwilson28]

They are both the truth

[@siphoalfredngwenya4629]

"if".

[@HerbalTee29]

TMO was fucked, I’ve reflected.

[@antonferreria1905]

@@HerbalTee29 You again mr herbal tee, talking shit again, big mouth.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@HerbalTee29 you spelt "deflected" wrong.

[@SimonRosholt]

Always curious when people point out that one penalty etc could have won the game for the losing team, and opportunities missed? True - but equally, the other/winning team miss opportunities which could have made the margin greater. Maybe if Kolisi had passed it would have put the game beyond NZ? There are always opportunities taken, and opportunities left behind on both sides. Makes it a bit of a pointless discussion, doesn't it?

[@smartalecc]

I think the point of the discussion is to make your own team better (control the controllables). Thus, focusing on every single detail your own team could have done better

[@kidd2hoi524]

Why not between the world cups. The second year post. Run a world 2 tier league. Top 8 face off for one tier. And next 8 another Tier. Play each team twice, one away, one at home. And do it like a football finals. Where the winner between the 2 teams after the 2 matches goes on points tally between both games. Encourages more tries. More regular international clashes. And then the winner of the tier 2 can be relegated to the world cup

[@deborahlawson5109]

Why won’t NZ let overseas players play for the ABs? The players learn so much overseas

[@MrDynasport]

Incredibly proud to be a NZer, to come.....2nd again.

[@christopherl1478]

We done our bit for nationhood again. Diamonds are forever.

[@etiennevanwyk3208]

Justin just a top individual

[@john-paulmurray2317]

So if NZ gets eliminated in the quarter finals (by France) and a forward p[ass was missed by the referee, do you still think that technology should be kept out of it????

[@ivandeetlefs]

Ian Foster did well to get to the final. The competition is also much stronger than in the past. I still believe Foster was not the best man for the job and I didn't agree with his selections, including the captain. This All Black team also seemed undisciplined. I am very interested to see what Razor will do but he will be under a lot more pressure than he is used to. Going to be interesting. Coming from a South African btw.

[@sox7784]

Me to can’t wait !!!

[@robmac3103]

Has Marshy always had a Lisp?…only noticed it lately and it’s all I hear now. Love the bloke though, the best NZ commentator out there!

[@christopherl1478]

Prolly drunk again.

[@awblax1]

For 20 minutes it was 14 on 14, and for 17 minutes it was 15 on 15. So we need to acknowledge that. Almost half the game we were not outnumbered.

[@theomoller6637]

And the game is 80 minutes plus. Duhhhhh???

[@deneward8194]

The Boks had an extra player on the ground for the whole game, dressed in white 😂

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@deneward8194 The extra player the Boks had was the All Black team and coaching staff. Officials didn't make you knock the ball on 19 times, did not make you turn down kickable points in favour of going for the corner, did not make you miss two kicks at goal. You did all of that yourselves, yet you have the audacity to pin the loss on the officials? That's just deluded mate.

[@Neil-o8r]

ABs always had 14 on the park- wether the passenger played or not- great to see him going to Japan- finally gone from NZ rugby for good

[@shane1899]

I still cant figure out how the tmo can come in and deny the 1st all black grey but doesn't say shit about ardie penalty

[@carlfischer7940]

Abs were 2 points away from victory, not 1 ... Just saying ...

[@f.o.5800]

NZers bitter that high tackles, neck rolls and knock ons are now being picked up lol!

[@David-fw2bt]

Boks probably would have won 87 aswell

[@kirkgainsford2434]

The losing team will complain every game now with all the slow motion and replays. Its becoming a squealers game.

[@jonesyjones7626]

Criticisms of the TMO and the laws alone isn’t the whole story. TV companies effectively act as a duplicate TMO going through every frame looking for something to talk about. TMO’s are protecting themselves and the referee from post event criticism.

[@muddhutter]

We missed kicks at goal and what about drop goals All Blacks? Coming from a lifelong fan. FOUR MORE YEARS!

[@HerbalTee29]

😂😂 get outta here undercover saffa, that trophy don’t taste as good with a red card does it 😂😂

[@Ho3n3r]

How is the flow more important than accurate decisions? The latter is magnitudes more important than the former. It was as un-obtrusive as possible, and the right decisions were reached more often than not, even if it can be improved a lot (i.e. Mapimpi vs. Dupont's culprits getting vastly different punishments despite being very similar incidents). Drop all TMO involvement for a year and see how that works out for you. You think referee abuse is bad now - you ain't seen nothing yet. If social media was at the level it is now, 20-30 years ago, the carnage would've been astonishing.

[@neilolivier551]

When it comes to the TMO, I applaud it. No longer can teams get away not following the RULES of rugby. If you don't want TMO to stop the game, don't break the rules 😂😂😂

[@nielvanderwalt1965]

You clearly have no idea how rugby works

[@neilolivier551]

@@nielvanderwalt1965 I do, when one team gets 12 points and the other 11. The team with 12 points wins. Then the team with 11 points blames the tmo for catching them breaking the rules.

[@austingtir]

Except when the tmo and barney miss THREE leading forearms from bok players a offside by eben and a knock on by faf. Then they ignore the boks flopping into our side of the ruck on every single attacking carry. Doesnt matter which way you cut it the AB's were robbed by the officials (same officials that robbed us in the ireland series) and the fact WR hasnt posted the full match for everyone to go through and find all the BS that went on speaks volumes. Barney is trying to deflect with the death threats rubbish because if that was true he could post the evidence. Like I can post the evidence of everything he missed if WR cough up the full match replay.

[@caseyjones831]

So don't interrupt the flow of the even if the all blacks are scoring points off errors 🙏 got it NZRU.

[@IwasInThe60s]

I love Justin's commentary.

[@IwasInThe60s]

Did not love him so much when he played against the Springboks.😂

[@heinrichswanepoel6566]

Want every decision right ? Or loses by n wrong decision Imagine a tmo in 2007 . ? Nz to the semi final

[@Karma-qt4ji]

Please don't come here with logic!!! Pfffft.

[@RushNZ_]

Still haven’t gotten over it boys damn harden up it’s over move on it’s not that serious just a game some one has to lose

[@MurrayLeckie]

Razor will be able to play some talent based overseas . He said that he will be able to do things differently than past coaches. He will be able pick guys like Retallick and Mo'anga as there is light years between them and the next best.

[@annettekolb3103]

Marsy, were you sober with this interview or did you take your false teeth out😂😂😂😂you have a bit of a slur which we not use too 😂😂😂. Love you Marsy and thank you for being neutral with SA. The fact that you eplain how much the RWC means to SA. You are right about 1 thing no one can bully the boks because they will walk away a bit battered like a piece of tin foil😂😂😂Joke we are good competitive people and very passionate about rugby dna run deep in the blood

[@geoffreysmith49]

What is the were 2 tiers competing at the RWC, each with 4 groups of 3. The 1st tier play on weekends, 2nd tier midweek. 2 winners of each tier 1 group go to quarters for championship #1 ranked against #8, #2 v #7, etc according to rankings. Losers of tier 1 play playoff with winners of tier 2 for relgation and promotion to tier 1. Avoid the blowouts, only competitive matches, te4sts every 3 days. shorter duration of the entire tournament

[@ark1888]

Good time to reflect …. Imagine this scenario. World Cup finished. Many players retired or playing elsewhere. Then a pandemic like COVID happens. Whole country locked down. No real rugby competition throughout the early / mid part of 2024. The tri nations are now scheduled to be played in Australia late in the third quarter of 2024 immediately followed by a game somewhere else in the world enroute to the traditional northern tour. The boys selected cannot return home for close to three months because of the global pandemic. What will Robertson do faced with such a scenario? Oh yes … assume Robertson was not given any surety that his job is safe till the next World Cup ( I.e. he is constantly and openly challenged by other coaches and media). Further imagine Robertson, before his tenure is up being told that he will be fired following the next World Cup, irrespective of how well he performs at the next World Cup. Foster faced the same scenario after the 2019 World Cup. He had no choice but to pick over 40 players. He had two average assistant coaches to assist him. Imagine the effort it took to develop a team, develop combinations, progress in spite of massive challenges and losses to end up losing the World Cup final by only 1 point with only 14 players for most of the game.

[@JohnMichaels-fs7bi]

The only country that complaining about TMO is New Zealand. I wonder why?

[@ChrisBrown-or8ky]

Dunno if they proved all critics wrong. The set piece won enough ball to win the final. Poor discipline, kicking and tactics throughout the rwc and fairly inconsistent against the top teams again, and it's worth suggesting the team failed. Fact is, fans have said the ABs have the talent, skill and they're not putting it on the park week in week out

[@austingtir]

Thats rubbish the kicking tactics were on the money imo and its the only reason we nearly beat them with 14men. Had we not kicked for touch and took more penalties that allows the boks a restart and potential to lock us in our half and grind out a mistake against 14 men. Which the boks are experts at. Fact is the tactical kicking for the corners kept us in that game (our lineout and scrum shaded them) because it ended up being the boks that couldnt exit their own half and it applied pressure on them and they were out of sorts because of that in the second half. It was just the officiating in general that lost us that game. THREE MISSED LEADING ELBOWS by boks players alone ignored. One on eben and the offside incident on him is enough for a red card. Same deal with Kolisi and then the bongi incident should of been reversed because Ginga bok prop comes in with a forearm to Frizells face which causes him to twist and fall akwardly on Bongis utterly ridiculously placed legs (that was also penalizable because he was sealing the ball off creating no contest at the ruck).

[@ahungryspiderateme]

Team gets 3 tmo replays Costs 20k per replay.

[@vuyaniman9440]

Guys, the Sport needs a TMO, coz it’s meant to support the Ref .. one has to look at why they were brought to in and add the fact that the game is complex . The ref alone can not see everything that goes on in the match and the touch judges are actually useless. … what WR needs to do is have clear framework on how and when TMO comes into action coz there’s absolutely no consistency in that area.

[@claudemaasdorp7662]

Support the ref, yes but not take over the game & control it. TMO is involved WAY TOO MUCH

[@vuyaniman9440]

@@claudemaasdorp7662 , that is a symptom of the ref inconsistency in the past. WR were probably trying to avoid that type of backlash during the tournament. Sadly for them it has led to more complaints of the TMO getting involved a little too much.. so what must they do?

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@claudemaasdorp7662 the TMO gets involved way too much because of us! We sit on our couches every weekend and are spoonfed 20 angles of the same thing within 30 seconds of it happening, followed by often misleading law interpretations by the usually partisan commentators. So we come on here and bitch and whine (and create channels like TAS Analytics with the express aim of bitching and whining) about how the referee robbed us. The TMO has the ability to see what we see, the HD shots from every angle that give him the best opportunity of making the right decision; and still we moan. We moan because the right decision is not the decision we want, we moan because the right decision took too long to get to, we moan because our pundits and commentators have no clue what the law says and they get it horribly wrong so often. So here's the thing.... we NEED the TMO to get involved and we need him to weed out as many of the poor decisions as are humanly possible. From a spectator point of view, being able to do that without taking so long would be nice so let's hope they find a way to streamline that. But until then, the right decision has to be our number 1 focus even if it goes against us.

[@christopherl1478]

Appreciate you being gentle and diplomatic for once Justin. It's not like you. Shut up Devlin your twang irks.

[@MDL.720]

6:11 Just look at this comment section and most others during the WC. Seemed to be far more SA supporters than AB supporters. The same could be said about the Irish supporters until they were knocked out.

[@BraziwiSteve]

By expanding the wc to 24 teams you’re giving the sport more reach and giving those extra 4 teams added exposure to the highest level. The game won’t grow if we’re too scared to give those players opportunities. Look at how far Portugal and Uruguay have improved. Score blow outs will happen whether there’s 20 or 24 teams. Spread the game and give more players opportunities to learn and grow, and maybe we’ll get some exciting upsets too.

[@johannblignaut1966]

When the TMO becomes the most important figure during a rugby match then there is something very wrong.

[@Bokgat]

Why. Happens in tennis. No difference. If you go back five years it’s what everyone asked for. Now everyone complains. It’s just a tuning process over time as people become less excited.

[@jeremyviall4168]

TMO should only intervene on genuine deliberate foul or dangerous play and only intervene on trys if asked to by the ref. Knock ons, forward passes, etc should be refs call on field only. Captains should have 1 challenge each per half that you retain if you are correct and lose if you are wrong. Apply the 20 min red card law. If a head knock is bad enough that a player gets carded, then the player that suffered the head contact also has to go for a mandatory HIA, this is both for player safety, but also to stop players milking penalties for nothing contact. As fans, if we want actual rugby played then the on field ref needs to make most of the calls and we have to accept the odd wrong one. Most of the Angst at the moment is that with all the tech, all the interruption all the "ahh Wayne, taking you back 29 phases there was a knock on" they still make just as many screw ups....

[@TheNealSinclair]

“ most of the TMO technically gets it correct but I don’t really want to watch sport like that….” Lol sure let’s just play and allow knock on’s and high shots….

[@Karma-qt4ji]

The same people who are now bleating about the TMO examining pre-try infringements would have paid top dollar to have a TMO in the 2007 RWC QF against France to call the try back for a forward pass. The same people who are calling the TMO a cheat for going back several phases to see a knock on, never had a bad thing to say about the TMO who overturned an English try against the Black Ferns in the Woman's final. The same people who are calling the officials cheats, have no clue what the laws say or mean, yes even their pundits who believe a phase of play includes a tackle and clean out - it doesn't! A "phase of play" is clearly defined on page 21 of the rugby law book as "Scrum, lineout, ruck or maul". There was not a single one of these, again as defined in the law book, because not a single tackle escalated past a tackle into a ruck. It's sickening how the best rugby franchise in the history of the game has fans and pundits who think they are entitled to score despite infringing and then blame the officials and the system when they are caught.

[@chrisfuller1726]

Once we subbed off Ritchie and Arron it was shut the gate , it actually felt up to then we were going to get them on the home straight , not to be , well done Boks

[@wobblertv8083]

Marshall was brillliant on the 96 south african tour ...That was New Zealands greatest win in there history.

[@Sole_Mio_685]

..still remember a spent Fitzy punching the ground in victory

[@wobblertv8083]

@@Sole_Mio_685 Massive achievement .

[@MooLaa-e1s]

The BOKS achieved that milestone like 50 years before in 1937 beating the mighty ALL BLACKS on home soil in a test series.

[@louisbarrowman9010]

Although the ABs losing just came down to missing kicks in the end the number of cards they have been getting recently compared with other top teams shows they are still slow to ingrain new tackling techniques etc. They are often their own enemies.

[@kagisokorae]

I don’t get the argument. You guys want the TMO to be limited because he picked up a knock on the ref didn’t see?

[@HerbalTee29]

Slowing the game down ya clown not because he picked up a knock on

[@kagisokorae]

@@HerbalTee29 to increase the speed of the game the officials must ignore calls, or foul play?

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@HerbalTee29 Yeah that was a wasted 43 seconds of my life I am not getting back....

[@carlvandermerwe1307]

SPRINGBOKS definitely will won the next worldcup with Rassie there and if the TMO did not screw up in so many decisions we could have won in much bigger score

[@HerbalTee29]

😂😂 load of 💩 you were lucky we got a red card for the whole game little soccer player

[@andreweggeltonpresenting]

Not so fast…Scott is in the same mold as Rassie, both innovators and people connectors

[@kiernanbusher7402]

​@@andreweggeltonpresentingI don't have a huge amount of confidence in Robertson. He has no international experience. Huge step up from Super rugby to tests.

[@jesseferguson4269]

Scott Robertson is an exciting prospect but he is going to have to rebuild this team with limited player stocks. Huge experience in key positions have gone now so going to be tough.

[@Epicsportfix]

People dont complain when tmo decisions goes in their favour only when it goes against them tu wina guve the referee more control but then you comolain about him being bias

[@Jyps001]

Just wonder what the conversation would’ve been around the TMO if SA won last minute due to a forward pass or knock on. I have a feeling it would’ve been why didn’t the TMO come in with all the technology at his disposal. You can always complain about something, or be gracious in defeat and try again next time.

[@HeeniKeke]

TMO reviews all tries!

[@eugenegerber5805]

Give each team Captain 2 reviews per game. Easy as that, get rid of the TMO unless the Ref or Captain calls them in, Ref and the Captains must control the game from the field. Everything missed can be reviewed after the game. Secondly stop penalizing the whole team with a red or yellow. Send them off and allow them to make a replacement. Keep it 15 vs 15. Not rocket science :)

[@worldchampions4379]

Only if you limit it to say 2 but no more than 3 per halve

[@sox7784]

Some good ideas? Give control back to the ones on the paddock!

[@crusr1368]

Video footage shows NZs try came from a knock on. see aerial footage. TMO is great help. keep it going. Players must just behave and play fair. Then they have nothing to worry about.

[@roleinc7204]

WRONG. You misunderstand the knock on law. "It is what the hand or arm does to the ball that counts, not what the ball does because it is oval. If the hand or arm does not knock the ball forward, but it bounces forward, it is not a knock-on."

[@worldchampions4379]

@@roleinc7204 wrong

[@JMz685]

@@worldchampions4379 correct 🤣

[@HeeniKeke]

Knock on was consequence of a man being played in the air

[@claudemaasdorp7662]

Siya is wrong. They did not do it for the 'whole' of the country. There are many many thousands & thousands of ALL BLACKS supporters from all races in South Africa who were very disappointed in the loss

[@Mr-Litch]

Can't just blame fozzy for inconsistencies teams have caught up and that's it and NZ have played the same way for the past 100 years how can teams not catch up

[@Neil-o8r]

the fizzer had poor player selection- the head injury worst player in team passenger a classic example... I hear the fizzer is opening a pie shop...he'll no longer have to run to be at the front of the queue

[@OldSchool-om2zo]

Not sure I appreciate the term “yaaps” used by Martin Devlin, not heard this before, but sounds like an insult.

[@abbani8591]

Nothing wrong with TMO n VAR, as long as the make the correct decision. Too many teams lost to bad officiating. Rugby refs are still ok in football they’re horrible

[@marcdaniels9079]

TMO interventions ruining the game. Should only be on request from Ref except perhaps deliberate ( not accidental ) foul play.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@marcdaniels9079 no they aren't. If anything, they are improving it.

[@thegoat4124]

Forget the TMOs and referees kiwis. Is there not a bigger concern that in the last 2 games, where the Boks were out playing the ABs in both, it ended in a NZ getting a red card in for both (one with a real grub move from Barret that apparently JK thought had no malice in it?). This then became some kiwis and other fans that hate the Boks excuse and that Boks were lucky etc? Rugby is a game of both precision but also discipline.

[@jameshartzenberg5763]

Officiating and TMO needs more discipline in their decision making.

[@dhirshg]

Razor and his strong team will do well but with current Super Rugby...without the Boks...will hurt them long-term. There is already proof in the pudding.

[@worldchampions4379]

In the words of JK “good riddance we don’t need them” yup that aged well.

[@Charlie-uz8vb]

saffa teams werent that good even aussies won more titles.

[@worldchampions4379]

@@Charlie-uz8vb regardless there is no doubt our absence has lowered the standard of rugby in NZ & Aus & risen the standard of rugby in the NH, the proof is in the pudding & expect further decline as more & more AB players defect to the North for money & exposure. Will JK say good riddance to those players too?

[@jameshartzenberg5763]

Razor will deliver with the national talent to his exposure. Teams needs losing games to better themselves. Officiating and TMO indiscrepensees should NEVER dictate the result of any game.

[@Ho3n3r]

Aussies played a good talking game and conned you guys into dropping us. Should've been the other way around, if anything (i.e. Aussies getting dropped). But the best formula was still the full-season league table of everyone vs. everyone during Super 12-14.

[@selwyngoldstone7206]

Regardless of the red card, the ABs had SA on the ropes but made 2 bad decisions, as for the TMO the opponents of it simply want to ignore their own dirty players. IF THESE PEOPLE ARE SERIOUS THEN LET'S GO BACK TO THE FREE FOR ALL GAMES OF THE SEVENTIES AND SMASH ONE ANOTHER UP

[@johngraham5948]

TMOs are part the game and any game for that matter and part of the reason they're there is because the teams supporters complained of unfair play which in many cases was justified so we all got what we asked for in Rugby I don't believe the TMO is used correctly rugby should take a look at rugby league

[@porkbone42]

Only one complaining was Rassie a few years back when he cried like a girl to WR. But hey, it worked. Maybe all coaches should cry like birches to WR like Rassie?

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

Sam Cane gave himself a red card. Noone else.

[@Mysterx1440]

Marius van DER Troll. In this great game of rugby, this is where you get your kicks ?

[@onosaiprime361]

Truth hurts but true bro.

[@HerbalTee29]

What about etzebeth elbow and kolisi head on head lol.. get outta here ya dud

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

What about responding to what I said, ya radish. 'lol'.@@HerbalTee29

[@jaconortje5009]

@@HerbalTee29 If you think Cane's tackle and Kolisi's one are one and the same, you should find a different sport mate. Kolisi has his leg's bent, lower to the ground and someone else was already tackling Savea and Siya was the second tackler and first contact is with the shoulder, his head then rides up and makes contact with Savea's head. Sam Cane was completely upright and made full contact directly to Kriel's face. Don't be stupid

[@fluxkapacitor8460]

From a South African. Kindly refrain from calling us “Japie’s” and “Africans” (more JK & co) - both are insulting. I understand that you may not fully appreciate the historical and geographical nuances of those labels, but it’s akin to calling a New Zealander an Aussie. It’s lazy and ignorant.

[@rooftile883]

As a Saffa (Afrikaner) I don't feel offended with any name whether it's Japie or Boer or whatever. As for "African", we are in Africa just as Germans or the French are Europeans because they live in Europa. If one feels inferior, any name wil offend you, if you don't feel inferior, nothing will bother you.

[@smartalecc]

"African" insulting?! Mate, as a Saffa that's the first time I've heard someone say being called African is insulting 🤣

[@worldchampions4379]

Basically complaining about being penalised for infringing. “Free flowing”to them means not being penalised for foul play, I don’t get. All blacks need to to take the ref out of the equation by getting their technique correct, & stop bitching about getting caught out none of the TMO calls where incorrect so what are you complaining about

[@theofilusbouwer3430]

So what if game takes extra 30 minutes or hour so long as game is ref fairly

[@HerbalTee29]

😂😂 mate no one will watch your springbok rugby for 2 hours, 80mins is enough of rolling around the ground like soccer players

[@theofilusbouwer3430]

@@HerbalTee29 mate enjoy rugby league if all blacks want to play rugby union they must respect the laws and not expect special treatment from ref anymore ALL BLACKS victory over Australia last year in Australia when ref gave you a penalty for Australia taking to long to kick penalty and robbed Australia of famous victory really was not on spirit of the game and criminal

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@theofilusbouwer3430 No, it actually wasn't. That's where we need to stick 100% to the law and spirit of the game and not let emotion into it like the poephol you were replying to. Foley was intentionally being a doos and wasting time and then got all indignant when he got caught. But it was the right call because if you put the Springboks in the position that the All Blacks were in then, you would also want a fair contest. The right decision is always the best option, even though that one in particular cost us the RC title that year. The sooner rugby fans, ALL rugby fans, start calling for the right decision in ALL cases, the better. Too many of us are quick to start bleating but only when we lose. This entire video and comments section is 'Exhibit A'.

[@rabbitss11]

Definitely too much TMO and it's because some people are deluded enough to think there's such a thing as a perfectly officiated game, it will never be, it's a shibboleth.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

No such thing as a perfectly officiated game but the referee gets accused of matchfixing by Graeme Henry because he missed a forward pass? Would NZers complain about "too much TMO" if the TMO protocol at the time had allowed for that try to be overturned? The only two games where I have seen the NZ fans and pundits go on like this about the officials were the last two games against the Boks. Both were games where you were heavily punished for infringements, both were games where knock ons and other infringements caused tries to be overturned, both were games where you lost a player to a red card LEGITIMATELY. It's really hard for the rest of the world to look at this and *not* see sour grapes.

[@rabbitss11]

@@Karma-qt4ji I'm only speaking for myself and not on behalf of a nation

[@rabbitss11]

@@Karma-qt4ji Personally, I've no complaints about the RWC final except to say the AB's weren't quite up to the form they showed at Mt Smart

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@rabbitss11Okay that sounds fair but it doesn't solve the controversy created by us in our living rooms seeing the same thing from 20 different high def cameras within seconds of it happening, compared to the referee who sees it once in real time and hopes his AR's pick up what he doesn't. I don't think it is the TMO who is the issue here, I think it is the process. What we actually need is the TMO to be calling things real time, or perhaps a couple of seconds later, it should not need to be shown to the referee on the big screen. He should be able to call out infringements or anything else without the onfield officials needing to convene in a location where they can watch it on the big screen. How many times we see the AR just give a thumbs up to say that a try is legit but with the TMO we now need a meeting and a Powerpoint presentation. But bottom line is that the correct decision should always be our primary goal. Now let's just sort out the process.

[@viwemjiwu772]

One thing we might have to accept is that Ian Forster inherited a very good team, he just couldnt take them to another level...something that the Razor will be able to do and Nzl will win the next world cup under Scott even with the policy...yes Rassie takes advantage of the Northern Hemisphere playing players...its really going to be an interesting 4 years to come

[@LJFN213]

You know very little about rugby.

[@viwemjiwu772]

@@LJFN213 and you know a lot 🍾🍾🙌🙌 congratulations

[@Bergz01]

JK and Jeff & Co are totally biased in their commentaries and opinions of AB’s competitors! Justin Marshall is a better and ❤more balanced and unbiased commentator of Rugby.

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

You might be fine economically living in queenstown, justin. Your former city isn't doing so well.

[@porkbone42]

The officials did their best to have SA win. TMO won. If ritchie or jordie got their kicks, im certain SA would've been awarded a penalty from that last scrum of yhe game. It was a lose lose situation. TMOs won the game tbh

[@jameshartzenberg5763]

Lots of similarities in officiating between Twickenham game and final.

[@RuggaDebugger]

NZ missed their kicks... and then they should of won. Pressure choked.

[@deneward8194]

And just to prove World Rugby has lost the plot, Sam Cane gets a 3 game ban (because a send off in a RWC final, 10 mins in, is not enough punishment). Q. Has Jessie Kriel been released from hospital yet, is he out of the wheelchair, will he recover in time to play next season?

[@ktm690endurorally]

This has got nothing to do with Jessie you schmuck! He didn’t complain, didn’t look for a penalty, he just got up and continued to do his job. By the letter of the law Sam was wrong all day. Rightfully gotten a ban afterwards also. Really time you try and get over the loss… or try and come up with another food poisoning excuse, that’s seems to never get old in NZ

[@Neil-o8r]

Doing this choker a favour- he'll never play for NZ again- total embarrassment thinks he's some type of guru- blame sits with the fizzier for appointing a boy to a man's job

[@Ho3n3r]

That's not the laws of the game, you bozo.

[@SDMotorsports]

Let’s not forget NZ got absolutely pumped. Lost two games. Final covered cracks

[@HerbalTee29]

😂😂 outta here saffa

[@SDMotorsports]

Pumped to France, beaten to SA

[@jaysneddon584]

If the blacks played properly AND TOOK OFFERED POINTS .......................

[@HerbalTee29]

Hard to play properly without your captain the whole game 😂 get outta here boy

[@jaysneddon584]

@@HerbalTee29 one player ain't the team friend.

[@jaysneddon584]

Boy.

[@MeiA-h9r]

The time has come for NZR to make tough decisions concerning eligibility in the same way Australia and South Africa had to Have fun

[@mattvader2023]

Wait for devlin to carry on when abs lose a game when they dont ask for a tmo🤡 cant have it both ways mate

[@marcdaniels9079]

It’s not blaming the TMO for the loss just that multiple interventions are spoiling the game. Agree NZ lost due to missed kicks

[@andersonking73]

Is Justin Marshall's lisp gotten worse?!

[@petertaylor6479]

I was thinking same thing, is that why Sky removed him?

[@glennvanzyl4066]

Refs are quitting their jobs because of these kiwis. Still remember the crowed going off their feet for a legal Bismarck tackle on Carter then if the ref are being human on games then its all about the ref and no Marshie thats how Eng won with brutal strength and the Vikings are repeating the same teaching them that.

[@snoopfobz]

In all seriousness no one remembers you if you didn't win a world 2023'2019 Sam cane who

[@Neil-o8r]

the choker has been a standing joke in world rugby...he'll never play for nz again- should never have in the first place.... the fizzier and team selection of sycophants

[@siyandiki]

poor discipline cost NZ and at no point has it been discussed , at every tough game NZ gets yellows

[@dhirshg]

I personally don't care and don't mind watching a stop/start game. Adds to the drama, makes sure nothing is missed and prolongs the game which means more rugby lol. But that's just me.

[@tommurphy3566]

In NFL they just scrutinize a scoring play. Mistakes are made

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

Being knighted by a monachy, and particularly one as morally bankrupt as the british one is nothing to be associated with, martin.

[@activegas1014]

Aaron smith was undeniable in this world cup. He deserved to plsy the full 80min he had a massive impact. Again Foster the imposter 😅😅 ay anyway new begginings

[@stevenbayne4166]

Sorry Gents , why do you think you should've had the right to Win the World Cup ?? As a Saffa , I have huge respect for the All Black's, But 'Sakes Guys , NZ had a Walk in The Park to get the Semi and Final !! Springboks Had to Beat the Top 6 Sides in the World to Win the Trophy!! So Please , Who Deserved it More ??? You guys are lucky that due to politics we missed the first to Cups , be assured that we would've won one of those too !!

[@HeeniKeke]

South Africa rightly won, but regarding the draw, no team had control of the draw. All had to play what was infront of them

[@willemsteyn7808]

The French crowds are the worst I have seen in my life. They believe they have the power to influence officials and they try their utmost to achieve it in every game. I have noticed this in the Champions Cup. The French broadcasters also believe it is their duty to repeat replays of every 50/50 call to the degree that those calls become 100/0 calls in the French teams' favour.

[@MRWerasmus]

You do realise that that SA also played without a true hooker for most the game plus also 20 min with 14 players. That disrupted the SA lineouts, one of SAs strong points, where AB wouldn't have dominated that much. Also bringing part of the "Bom squat" on earlier with Bonambi injury defeated the whole purpose of having the Bom squat. So I dont buy the 14 man excuse. Then further why do so many think ABs deserved to win the RWC. ABs played only 3 of the top 6 ranked teams and only managed ro beat 1 of the 3. SA had to play 5 of the top 6 teams and beat 4 of the 5. From that, they surely deserves that win more. Do you really want to claim a try from a knock on purely because the clear knock on is tecnically a few plays back. By any rule that is a clear knock on and not a try. It would have been unfair to SA if awarded. SA almost scored two tried as well . If you want to count the missed kicks, you should count Arendse try as well because it wasnt any defenders stopping him and a mistake by himself, same as a missed kick by a kicker. Im also convinced that even if ABs was just Infront last 10 min, SA would have had a plan to score enough. They would have found a way as with the other playoff games Now last pount, stop complaining about the ref, as the players and team should not even put him in the position to have to make a call on foulplay. Not refs fault.