Watch Boxing! Ten Rounds! Seiko SKX vs Orient Mako

[@Broomfondle1]

Loving the Orient Mako. Everyone has an SKX, I'm going to be the only Mako in the village.

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Ha! A contrarian indeed. Cheers to that.

[@Dimma69]

Kool name.

[@Feemy]

True. If you want something more exclusive and better quality, Orient wins easy. Everyone and their dog has the SKX.

[@noosamike]

MagicThighs Both you and broom fondle will have matching watches 😀

[@DWEST841]

ISO 6425 ! It keeps apples and oranges arranged.

[@sliderulelover]

If you included accuracy as a category, the Mako would knockout the SKX.

[@huckinator]

Yes!

[@oliverfasola19]

How about durability ?

[@EastDallasKicks]

Sure but who cares about orient when the superior SKX exists?

[@oliverfasola19]

@@EastDallasKicks people who don’t wanna pay the new SKX marked up price

[@EastDallasKicks]

@@oliverfasola19 Oh yeah I forgot about seikos KZbin markup

[@SenerS10]

Era of SKX is over. Seiko should release SKX2 now.

[@b08m4rt1n]

No, they should just keep selling it for more than it's worth and make those dollar dollar bills, because all the fan boys look past all the shortcomings.

[@HarryUnchained]

@@b08m4rt1n it used to be a good $150 watch but now they are +$200 which is kinda expensive. This is a grey market price I'm talking about. Seiko is just lazy, they could have at least upgraded the movement to 4r36 and made a slight improvement to the dial and hands(a brushed finish would have been lovely).

[@grandriver3152]

...... It's never over

[@josephhein9497]

And yet...

[@snowmean1]

​@@HarryUnchained People who's looking for best affordable diver will buy Orient Ray/Mako, Invicta Pro Diver or Casio MDV106, or Orient Kamasu for the price of SKX. People who''s looking for iconic diver will buy Seiko no matter what. From that standpoint it's pointless to update classic SKX as it only will bring discussion on SKX is not the same anymore.

[@TheSpritz0]

My vote goes to the Orient, it just (to me) exudes more quality & durability.

[@d3xmeister]

TheSpritz0 If you had both like I do, you’d see is the other way around, SKX is build to significantly higher durability standards, and usability is also better. Things like applied indices are ridiculous to bring up, it’s just a designs/ruggedness choice, you can find applied indices on $5 watches and painted indices/logos on $20000 watches. Hacking and hand winding are extra features, not really as important as some people makes them to be but whatever. I love both watches for what they are, in my collection they don’t really compete with each other they are too different.

[@jonywalabi2647]

@@d3xmeister ahaha ive had both too, and i prefer the orient, interesting

[@d3xmeister]

jony walabi nothing wrong with that, in fact that’s all that matters. To me I don’t see them compete they are quite different designs and I love and wear both. I just wanted to point out that the Seiko is the one built to higher durability specs by far, not the other way around as the original comment. Features like handwinding and hacking or design choices like applied indices are null points since those can be had on $5 dollars watches. Of course if that’s what you want, that’s what you’d get, but it would be stupid to prefer the SKX but chose something you like less because those ,,features,, as would also be the other way around.

[@jonywalabi2647]

@@d3xmeister i actually sold the skx and got the orient, but yeah i understand your point of view

[@dociebiemowie915]

@@d3xmeister i’ve owned both and Orient keeps better time. It also has hacking and an option for hand winding. I also prefer the look of Orient watches more than Seiko. Seiko used to be what Orient is. I own a few Seiko watches but Orient has really taken over the internet with its value/cost ratio. Their watches look stunning.

[@swissarmytenor]

For me, brand and x-factor mean nothing. I found the Orient a much better looking watch, so I went with it. They're both great tools.

[@adrianmorris3772]

Got both of these and I prefer the orient. It just feels better quality. Seiko need to update this unit with sapphire and hacking. Overall I like to wear both and they both will last the course. Orients prices are very reasonable for the quality. Best regards from Adrian in Sheffield England. We’ve got some sunshine ,Jody. How about that.

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Adrian! I hear Scotland is bracing for a heatwave?! 23 degrees! Hahaha! My family were over here recently in our 'autumn' and experienced several days hotter than have ever been recorded in Scotland. All things are relative, I guess. Cheers!

[@1701spacecadet]

Given the NH35 movement can be bought for next to nothing there is no excuse for every Seiko to not hack or hand wind.

[@saulysw]

The NH35 does date, but not day I think. I could be wrong.

[@1701spacecadet]

saulysw But then you have to ask does a dive watch actually need a day display?

[@nodarikirtadze8220]

I'm not an expert, but to me it seems, Seiko doesn't pay that much attention to their lower end models

[@markirvin2809]

Correct. NH36A does both. I just modded my SKX009 with a NH36A movement, ceramic bezel and double dome sapphire. Beautiful.

[@1701spacecadet]

Mark Irvin Now that’s what I’m talking about!

[@liveroy]

The Mako II is so much better, that I'm really starting to think that you've gave in to the hype of the SKX. I'd rate em 8 for the Mako and 6 for the SKX.

[@filipesousa9990]

The whole review was inclined towards Seiko.

[@steven2809]

The Orient wins on Movement, Dial and hands, and Value. Ignoring the biased last two categories 🙄 then the Seiko doesn't deserve your extra money!

[@richardwagnerjr]

The lume on the Mako is excellent! Not as bright but it's long lasting and toned down to differentiate it from the Ray 2, which has the bright lume to compete with the SKX. Just my opinion.

[@ComUnSas]

I own a Ray 2 and it has noticeably better lume than the Mako 2 and has a 15 minute bezel. The Mako is styled as more of a smart casual watch, the Ray 2 is a 'purer' diver.

[@JohnClarkW]

It also has a more similar style, with the big broad markers ( without the Arabic numerals ). I tend to think if he looked at the Ray instead of the Mako, I think it picks up serious points on the lume, bezel, and I still think his build score seems off.

[@mcstarling07]

I have a Ray ii as well and love it. I believe the Ray ii beats the SKX in this battle, especially since the bezel is better and lume is much better than the Mako.

[@mrfuriouser]

I'd buy the Orient everyday, and twice on Sunday.

[@Soloboyize]

I stumbled onto your channel after falling into the dangerously addictive rabbit hole that is watches. I have got to say I love to see the quality content consistently and it makes me proud to see someone in Aus delivering it too! Happily awaiting my Mako 2 pepsi to arrive also, after buying it hours before your review even went live, reassuring my purchase! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MATE!

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Hey mate! Thanks for the kind words about the channel. Glad you enjoy the content. Cheers, Jody @ Just One More Watch

[@csharpewalls]

I love my ORIENT Ray2 it hacks and with a new blue AR crystal it pops.

[@FourThreeSeven]

same. i got the ray2 over the skx. I gotta have the hacking and hand winding.

[@Pew7070]

For me the Orient takes the cake hands down. The X-Factor and branding are irrelevant to me.

I always find Mako 2 for cheaper prices than the SKX, so... 😜 Besides I think Orient looks more modern anyway🙂

[@paceyombex]

7:19 That's why you have to compare it to the ray 2 to even the play ground

[@HarryUnchained]

i never liked the hour hand and bezel insert on ray, mako is so much more beautiful but worse lume. they usually much cheaper too.

[@williamparker2922]

Egh... It's my personal opinion you should have used this Orient Ray II (FAA02005D9) instead of the Orient with the numerals, as a piece to compare to the SKX. Then the issue with the 12 on the Orient would not have been a point deduction. The video quality was good, just don't agree with your... Or TGV's, at the Urban Gentry, assessment of the two watches. I believe the two are equals if anything. At the end of the day... Each to there own thoughts though.

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Thanks William! I had the Mako to hand, but agree that the Ray might have scored more a couple for bezel and lume. But why the communal love for the Seiko? Is it completely unwarranted, or does it have the mysterious quality that makes us love it beyond reason? I wore one of these two to work last night....... It wasn't the Mako!

[@Jeroenoman]

I would have liked to see the Ray 2 go up against the SKX, it's more similar in terms of style and has better hands and lume. Nice video, enjoyed it.

[@Sashko_Dee]

Was gonna watch the video, but ended up getting distracted listening to the full version of the Rocky theme. After that I just had to get up of my arse and go jogging. 11/10 motivational video.

[@vaiosfrangoulis78]

excellent review, you have come a long way from when you started your channel, you are on the top of my list as the best reviewer, no bs just straight to the point, simply the best, keep up the good work mate.

[@krispybacon1651]

Regardless of what you buy,both watches will serve you well. Wear and enjoy.

[@stealthbanana]

Would have liked to see the Ray 2 v the SKX. As others have said, the pips give more space for lume, also the bezel insert is different and on par, if not better than the SKX. Personally, I like both, and own three of each. The SKX does give more scope for modification if that is worth counting.

[@BarnOwl61]

Nice video thanks! As you said it yourself, it is alle about what is important to you! For me, the Seiko with the quality problems, ratteling bracelet and outdated movement, not a snowballs chance in hell against the very much updated Mako and especially Ray II. Not really competition as these two brands are from the same company. With the blue sunburst dial and improved accuracy, the Orient steals my show. But you can't argue about personal taste.

[@LikeABoss464]

It would be great if they bumped up the price of the skx but added the 4r35 movement and sapphire crystal.

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

100% It would save us doing the work ourselves!

[@suprxmestorm7090]

The 4r35 movement would be nice but the sapphire crystal is never gonna be added. They save that for there 1000 dollar divers.

[@robbiecox]

Nice one, but per square mm the lume is the same, there is just more on the SKX. Try comparing the Ray to the SKX and you will be hard pressed to tell the difference. The one thing that would give the knockout blow to the Mako and send it out for the count is that the SKX is ISO certified, and you didn't mention it in the rounds. Why not duel the SKX withe Citizen Promaster NY0040? That would be a great contest.

[@wijayaj001]

robbiecox agree the ray has lume on par with the seiko skx, the mako... Its so weak. I got the skx013, mako I, and RAY II, and the ray is on par with the skx013. But this comes to value, the blue ray II is higher than the mako. IMO, The final score would only add the orient ray a slight edge of 59 over the 57 for skx007.

[@stefpix]

Citizen Promaster has hacking, hand winding, applied indices, better minute hand. It would probably win. I have the eco drive BN0150 version. I sold the Seiko SKX 007. I am happier with the Citizen.

[@robbiecox]

The NY0040 features hand winding, but does not hack.

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Then it probably has a miyota 8000 series movement in it. Not my favourite!

[@robbiecox]

Yes it has and I have several of these, the oldest being 20 years and it has just been serviced for the first time. It is running at about plus 9 a day. At least as good as the 7S26. Don't quite understand your dislike.

[@propblast82nd]

You left out the performance category my friend ?

[@gregalonzo747]

Forgive my ignorance because I don't understand the cult following around Seiko. Some of their models debuted when I was in high school and that is what I wore. I don't want to come across as a Swiss watch snob, and just to be clear I recently picked up a Bulova Precionist and a Citizen Satellite watch. Both run circles around any of my Swiss time pieces. Accuracy is something of a must with me. The other negative I have with Seiko is that many of their watches are made in Malaysia, etc. I know absolutely nothing about Orient, yet I like the look of their watches. I would appreciate any recommendations. Thanks

[@bangurowned]

I use the Orient Ray Raven 2 and I love it. I can't stop looking at it. How do you like your precionist by the way? Nice watch and I'm a quartz hater. It's sweeping right?

[@roshanpatel07]

You did not mention that seiko SKX is ISO certified diver's watch. Though it is not a big concern for desk divers, but is is infact a reason for which it deserves a little more.

[@olegsuprun7590]

I own both watches and here is my opinion :Orient is a superior watch. Orient has a better movement , better bracelet and is cheaper by 50$ then seiko. The only thing seiko has better is - lume and bezel action. But actually if u dont care about automatic movement the best budget diver watch is citizen promaster solar diver(150$) and casio duro(50$)

[@BriarBlues]

Interesting comparison. I suggest the lume differential may be due to the size of the markers, with the Orient being small and thin. One area not covered is power reserve. Which carries the greater length. IMHO that also adds value to the one which carries the greater length.

[@DanOehlsen]

Great review. Thanks. I've had the black Ray 2 for about 2 years. It's the only dive watch I own -- not a big fan of the style but I do like the compact nature and somewhat understated design of the Ray. That was a big factor in choosing it over the Seiko. Very happy with the watch. Plus I got it for $130US with a discount from Long Island Watch. I suggest using the price difference from the Seiko to take your significant other out for a couple drinks to mollify the effect of buying just one more watch.

[@surfitli]

Great comparison. I do agree that the Mako crown is too small in relation to the crown guards. It’s completely flush when screwed down, and difficult to hand wind because of the small diameter. It’s also a pain to screw back down. Also, the Mako’s bracelet seems to me to be, while good quality, it’s seems like it was made for a larger watch case then what the Mako has.

[@lonnythompson8131]

The Ray would score higher , you knocked Maco for only 10 minutes markers on bezel but ray has 15, the numbers are also larger and better looking, also critiqued hand length on mako, Ray has unique and better looking hands. Also the case on sks is not better.

[@gregburville3368]

Great comparison as always Jody. The advantage of having the lume on the SKX lollipop rather than the pointer end is that whilst diving, it's easier to confirm that your watch is actually running.

[@flyingffish]

Greg, can you confirm that you are a Piper Alpha survivor?

[@gregburville3368]

flyingffish I'd rather neither confirm or deny flyingfish (if that is your real name). Nevertheless, on that day in 1988, I'm just glad I wasn't wearing a 3atm dress watch.

[@fakethinksy101]

I think Jody should have used the ray 2 rather than the mako 2. Just because they look more similar. The lume in the ray would probably have better lume on the mako just because of the size difference. More lume on the ray for sure.

[@bubbab7792]

Nicely done Jody. Thank you!

[@williamj3459]

Fantastic videos. I'm enjoying watching the entire back-catalog! As I watch this particular video I'm wearing my blue Orient Ray II. I hadn't noticed until you commented on the Mako's bezel, but the Ray actually has minute markers all the way up to 15 minutes (unlike the Mako's 10). I have to wonder- would that have made a difference for your bezel score? Not that it matters to me, as I'll always consider the blue Ray II as the best value in 200 meter diver (IMO). Thanks again for your content. Your sure to steer me to my next acquisition!

[@Awkwardfruitfly]

What’s the big deal with winding. I can understand hacking. If we lived in a world where winding watches were cheaper, ppl would be like, omg you have to wind your watch? I just shake it 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Supersyncopation]

No difference in the crystals but you give Seiko an extra point anyway ? Overall the orient is better value for money

[@karpkarpkarp5]

Ikr what a bias comparison

[@dkev001]

You didn't talk about water resistance. The SKX is ISO certified at 200 meters. The Mako is not. I agree that it is absurd the SKX cant be hand wound or hacked. The indices on the SKX are part of it's legendary look. I don't know if I would deduct points for it. I have a Vostok Scuba Dude on the way and I'm buying a Citizen Promaster next week. I am still debating if I want to buy a Mako II. Probably will. :)

[@soulsocket7]

I thought I read somewhere that the mako is certified according to some japanese standard organization which has strict standards just like ISO.

[@rbmwiv]

I have both and have chosen to mod my Mako. I put a coin edge bezel, ceramic lumed bezel insert a solid end link jubilee bracelet and a double domed ar crystal. I have a lot of Seiko watches and wanted to try out orient and have not been disappointed.

[@Alidwee1]

Despite the outdated movement of the skx, I speak from experience when I say that it has never failed me on the skx and the Seiko 5. The biggest shame about the skx however, is it's lack of aesthetic specific features. Sure, there is beauty in its functionality, but a little tasteful glam would go a long way.

[@DeusNyx]

There needs to be a 'watch-off' against the orient divers and Seiko divers that were both released in the same year.(I think it was 2016 for the gen 2 orients, someone correct me if I'm wrong) I think then, that would really divide the orient/Seiko fanboys. They'd be watch oil, gears, pins and watch straps everywhere!!!

[@ryannewby447]

Just bought the Mako 2. Been on my radar for a while. I just can't justify buying the SKX for the price, compared to the better movement of the Mako. Only time will tell.

[@tynungester2543]

I have the 009 and black Ray II. The Ray II is better than the SKX in every single way except for the bezel tightness, too small crown, and the initial brightness of the lume. Yes the lume for both lasts comfortably throughout the night. I want to love the SKX, bit I only like it. Give me my Orient!

[@artyomsherwin648]

Maybe you could even get an exchange bezel for the orient and fix that issue.

[@drwindsurf]

I agree with you about the day/date window on the Mako, I would add this to my collection if they had a no-date version with arabics and sapphire...I love the way that you did this head-to-head review, fantastic! Thank you for another great video Jody :)

[@gtbigdog3507]

I was going to pull the trigger on the Mako today and this video came out. Thanks. I need just one more watch

[@reedpeterson719]

More people complain about build quality of the skx, misalignment of chapter rings, indexes and pip. Never hear anything about lack ofbuild quality from orient. I can get more accurate time from a stick in the ground than I can from my skx013.

[@bolandjd]

Nice comparo! I'm surprised that you didn't mention that the SKX is ISO certified, which I'm sure plays into the "X-Factor", though probably doesn't change your score.

[@stevenwymor1398]

Great head to head. I own both the Mako USA II with the white dial and an SKX007 and I’m kinda torn between the two. The movement on the Orient was dead on accurate out of the box running about +/- 2s/day and has remained so. The SKX took me a long time to get regulated on my timegrapher and has to be set about +15 to get a real world regulation of about +/- 2s/day and even still has a greater variation in accuracy than the Orient. And the Orient Mako USA II has its own X-factor with solid end links and a thicker sapphire crystal and a custom USA dial design, but that puts it quite a bit above the Seiko pricewise unless you can pick one up on sale like I did direct from OrientWatchUSA.com which for now is the sole source of that model. I love ‘em both and I get about equal compliments on both too. My only complaint about the Mako is the bezel as it doesn’t have that buttery smooth feeling like the SKX. Given that my version of the Mako has applied indices and a different set of hands, its lume is equal to the Seiko too. I agree on the comfort factor of Seiko’s jubilee - most comfortable bracelet I own. Here’s a link for anyone who might be interested in the Mako USA II as I happen to think it’s a real looker. www.orientwatchusa.com/product-category/mens-watches/diver/makousaii/

[@michaelvolovik4516]

В дополнение скажу, безель моих Мако 2 можно провернуть только рукой в резиновой перчатке и приложив немалое усилие. Мой другой дайвер, а именно Ситизен Промастер NY0140-80E Automatik имеет безель с идеальным вращением.

[@jonathanobrien1058]

Just watched this and I have 2 things to say; the 7S26 movement is a let down, so the SKX is the less for it, BUT when you get all your watches on the table the SKX stands out, its the most noticeable. Then you can swap the crystal and movement and bezel and every part which is why it is the legend that is the SKX! This is why I own a stock one on the jubilee AND a full Namoki/CT/DLW/NH35 custom build which people ogle.

[@LVD-Trades]

Have just ordered my Orient ray 2 :)

[@StorminNorvin]

One thing I really like about the Seiko is the blue SAT day. Most other watches have it and the weekdays in black. I like a blue SAT and a red SUN.

[@ThatGuy67672]

Watching in November of 2019! Thank you so much for the video! Just ordered the Mako II, $110 on Amazon!

[@1alphared]

really enjoy your channel. Thank you.

[@JurgenADV]

Thanks to your introduction of MassDrop to me, I’m awaiting my first Automatic watch. The Mako II in Blue. $129 US. Thanks

[@ballsackcheesebomb]

getting a little tired of hearing how an easy to turn bezel somehow equates to being a plus . i much prefer a bezel that turns only when the intention is that it should be moved and doesn't leave you wondering whether a slight knock or gentle friggin breeze has changed it's position . i disagree with this result . as others have mentioned in previous comments , seiko fanboys abound indeed .

[@SamSung-nx9gy]

chris kachmar yes, it's for diving use therefore should NOT move easily

[@Jeramithehuman]

Totally agree my Rolex no date sub bezel will get moved around every couple of days. Not by much most was a quarter of a rotation usually it will move just while sleeping 10-15 clicks but unacceptable for a 6 thousand dollar watch.

[@whatsthebigfndeal]

My skx obsession is back in full swing. I had a 007 for years and years. I thought I was tired of it, as I was wearing my mako 2 (got the orient about the same time as this vid was originally uploaded) way more often, so I gave it to my nephew a couple of months ago. After giving it away I immediately started going into skx withdrawal or something. I couldn't stand it so I had to buy another one. Went with the 009 this time. It's like new best friend. The orient is actually a better watch, it's just not as cool as the seiko for some reason.

[@fondajames]

Orient has hacking, hand winding and is cheaper. Hard to argue against that with the skx line

[@Dimma69]

Hacking is overrated.Although it sounds impressive.

Got myself a Ray II a while ago and I couldn't be happier with it ! The crown is a bit hard to operate, but that's not something you'll be doing on a daily basis due to the surprinsingly good accuracy. Got it for under 200$ CAD, while the SKX was more than double the price !

[@philcrowe6727]

Orient for me, esp here in Oz, where my Ray Raven has all the x factor you could want! Another great vid though

[@whatsthebigfndeal]

I just recieved my Mako II yesterday and, after wearing it for less than 24 hours, I think I agree with your score. I would probably drop the bezel on the Orient a bit more and maybe raise it on the Seiko, though. It's not really that the Mako's is super stiff, it's just that it's hard to grip. My 007 is really smooth and easy to operate. I have a $45 Casio Duro with a much better bezel than the Orient. I will say, though, the bracelet on the Mako is miles ahead of that rattle trap on the Seiko. I replaced the jubilee on the 007 with a nato strap years ago, while I'll most likely leave the Mako on the factory bracelet. It's not great but it's pretty darn good considering the price ($145 from Amazon) of the watch. I'm still getting a feel for the Mako so it'll probably be a while before I make my final judgement but I'm certainly liking it so far. If I already had a more dressy watch and could only have one dive watch, it would be the 007. It just seems to be the perfect size for me and there is something cool about its utilitarian look. That being said, though, if you're looking for just one watch (one watch, lol, yea right!) I think the Orient, particularly the blue dial version, is a more versatile watch. It's sporty enough to be very casual and just sharp enough for a more formal, or at least, semi formal setting. Admittedly, I'm a notorious Seiko fanboy but I really don't think you can go wrong with either of these watches. And, to me, hand winding is a HUGE deal! Anyway, great review and comparison.

[@woocoheed]

My casio’s bezel is super hard to turn. Probably inconsistent since they’re much cheaper

[@whatsthebigfndeal]

woocoheed You're probably right. I had actually seen a couple of reviews where the bezel action on the duro was mentioned as a negative so I was happy to have gotten one that was good. At 45 bucks, I'm guessing it's kinda hit or miss. I still say that the duro is the best $45 watch you could ever hope to find. It's the only quartz watch I own but I really love that thing!

[@januszmickiewicz8627]

Perfekt recension. Objective, detailed. Thanks.

[@astifcaulkinyeras]

Great comparison! One thing you didn't mention - the SKX is more rugged. Wikipedia says "Diver's 200m" means it's suitable for scuba diving. Whereas the Orient's "Water Resist 200m" means it's suitable for skin diving only, not scuba diving.

[@benkenobi6582]

Great video. And you’re right about Seiko having much more name recognition. But I think the SkX is in desperate need of a movement upgrade. It feels pretty outdated in the current market. I would go with the Mako.

[@neotanveer]

Exactly the video i was waiting for. nice job. your points are fair. they are both great watches for their price point. and in the end, it comes down to personal preferance. i liked the superior movement, better dial, and cheaper price, so i went for the Ray II. SKX is a legend indeed, but the non hacking movement, and plain dial doesn't justify the $50 price difference in my opinion.

[@f86fman]

Regarding the lume, it appears to me that the Orient graphics have more luminescent resolution than the Seiko. You can see that the day/date is illuminated much more legibly, but maybe your lens distorts on the right side (Seiko side) a bit? Also, the illuminated minute hashes on the Seiko face are designed larger than the corresponding minute hashes on the Orient, giving one the impression that the Seiko puts out more light. Can you tell I am a Mako II owner? I find that my Mako has much more luminescence than my Seiko and the luminescence lasts longer too. My Seiko died at 4 years and the cost to repair it was 1/2 of what I paid for the danged watch. Just my experience.

[@richardwagnerjr]

I agree! The lume on the Mako is excellent and long lasting!

[@jamesdamenti2092]

great video (just received my MAKO today) Jody, however I believe you cannot weigh your categories evenly - movement matters much more than other categories, such as bezel or lume, and should count for much more in the overall scoring. The movement is the heart of the watch. The SKX's movement's age and inability to hack and hand wind (and probably less accurate) should definitely place it below the Mako. Please keep the great and entertaining videos coming...!!!

[@JimboMidge]

I prefer the value presented by the Orient. Great video!

[@stefpix]

Crystal should have had same points, as you did say there was no difference. Benefit of the doubt should not afford an extra point. Lume is almost the same, so maybe 1 extra point to Seiko, not 3. X factor and brand could as well been the same category. It feels like you wanted to have Seiko win, and you afforded it some dubious penalty kick in injury time, as a referee... Also Bracelet, I'd give one point extra to the Orient. Although I would have been harsher with the Mako about the bezel. I had the Mako I, and it felt almost impossible to turn the bezel with wet hands, Also the 10 minute instead of 15 minute marked on the bezel seems like a mistake.

[@boxsterh]

I liked this video, and agree with most of your scorings, though I went with a Mako II for the movement, and I just liked the overall look better. I have a Seiko SNK, and I don't enjoy the Seiko Shuffle, or the inexact setting of the time.

[@Papafou]

I really like that the 2 watches were equal except for the 2 subjective sections. For me it would be the Ray II all the way due to that wonderful blue sunburst dial and the hand winding and hacking movement

[@RampartPh]

I have a mako 2 and a skx033. They do both get significant wrist exposure so i'm really enamored w/ the both of them. I have to say though that if you compare the dials of the skx033 and of the skx007/9, the face of the former is much prettier w/ its applied indices and framed day/date indicators. It's a real downer that seiko decided to discontinue the skx033 line

[@davemanthey385]

Love the t-shirt - "We'll see you on the road, skag!"

[@paulhoffer862]

I have both black and blue Makos, a Triton/Neptune as well as the 009, Dracula Monster and a Sumo. Love them all but, I did replace the bracelets with various strap codes on all of them. I think the lume is comparable but, the Makos have smaller indices. I also have the Orient Flight and Sun and Moon version 2 in blue. Neither of them hack or hand wind so, that isn’t a deal breaker. For all the above I think the value for money is pretty darn good.

[@monsterous289]

Take away xfactor and brand, and they tie. Regardless, I much prefer the Orient logo on the watches

[@yanksmc7]

Once you factor in the customization w/ modding, the SKX is unbeatable. The Orient is still an awesome watch. Buy both!

[@RobertBrownieJr]

90% of us here have never required lume on any watch ever haha, love it though, always brings a smile to my face when you duel classics

[@1233-d3h]

Robert Brown You never check time at night?

[@cyberkip]

Ordered a Mako this morning. Can't wait for the Amazon driver in a few days.

[@jarradsharman5181]

Think you find the lume on the orient ray is a lot better than the mako. The indices allow more lume to be applied on the ray

[@anthonyfmoss]

Jody, as you mentioned, I am one of those whose salient points are the movement and the value. That is why I possess an Orient Mako 2 and not a Seiko SKX!

[@GypsieSeeker]

Balderdash! Who gives equal weight to the movement and the bezel? Incorporate the bezel into dial+hands maybe and add a category for Uniqueness! What connoisseur wants the same thing everyone else has? The X-Factor in this video was just “everyone says it’s great, so therefore it’s great.” Seiko fanboys abound. Bah. Also, your ratings would be better if you said what different watch would have received a 10 in each category, e.g., the best movement/build quality/bracelet you can expect in a $200 diver. Harrumph!

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Senna! Missed you at Monaco today my friend. Agree that certain categories could be double or even triple weighted. I'll see what happens next time I do one of these. Cheers!

[@hospitalcleaner]

A major thing about the Seiko is its a legit dive watch (ISO certified), which makes it much better than the Orient imo. Also it has a unique style, and is not trying to copy anything else

[@brianlynch9204]

I have a Japanese domestic manufactured SKX. It is generally a good watch but it had one MAJOR FLAW. The crown is very hard to manipulate. Unfortunately for me where the threads on the case wear away to the point where the threads will not engage the crown. Maybe it is a one off but this is a serious flaw..

[@shiranduarte]

Orient are very famous and respected here in Brazil, even more known than Seiko. They are watches that brazilians use to buy and trust for a lifetime. They are almost undestructible! I've seen some in the wrists of construction workers that were beaten, scratched and heavily mistreated for decades and survived. Seiko on the other hand is a brand slightly more difficult to find, and are much, much more expensive around here.

[@philmarriner5300]

Would have liked to have seen SKX v's Ray2 v's 7042 Invicta (NH36A)... would have been fairly closely matched but covering various and wider price points.

[@esmondpmendez]

Great video Rolling with the Orient.

[@Martinlavell]

I'm going with the Ray 2. The lume and dial on the Ray 2 is better in my opinion. I don't like the numerals on the Mako. Skx doesn't hack. I can't let that slide.

[@darrenaquilina1403]

I have both! I think the Orient looks better and has a better movement but as you said the seiko gets more attention!

[@imtiaz3554]

I think a good boxing contest would be the Invicta Pro Diver v. Orient Mako. I have both and think its a decision based on what day of the week it is. Seiko SKX is the icon of this price category, even if it is being surpassed in technology, it won't lose its crown unless something special from Seiko challenges it

[@konliner9286]

Do you think mod parts for the SKX can fit for the Ray ? Im thinking of giving Tuna-like shroud for my Ray but its designed for SKX.

[@-runswithbeer-8075]

I can’t help but love the Seiko. I know the Orient is better on quality and value but does love ever make sense?

[@huss1205]

I bought the Mako II Pepsi last month and I love it. Bracelet is comfortable and solid and accuracy is good. I have the SKX013 and got a Strapcode bracelet for it instead of the original crappy silicon ugly black band, but I plan to but the SKX007 or The Japanese made SKX011j with the orange dial, a bit expensive but lovely dial...

[@Jonas-js2eb]

Great video. Simply done, with just the right shots. Very informative. It may have kept mee from buying the Orient as I already own the the SKX.

[@mhz9003]

Great review. I'm currently deciding on these two watches and I'm leaning towards the skx. For me it just has more of its own identity whereas the Orient just looks too much like any other Subby homage.

[@MikeRehfuss]

I have a SKX011J and I love it. I like Orient watches, but there is a definite x-factor to the SKX line.

[@Sidewazetofuu]

Anyone else glaring at the watch cases moving

[@MrJava1593]

Orient hands down! I've been wearing my Ray, Kamasu and Triton and, just WOW! They make me forget about ... What was the name of that watch brand again? OH, yeah Seiko..... lol

[@bertkanne4572]

I am glad I have a Mako USA. Sapphire crystal, solid end links, no Arabic numerals but not hacking. Oddly a lot of Microbrands do not have any of these issues!

[@iluvj00]

Is it really the same category an Skx vs a mako? isnt it better to compare seiko 5 vs mako?