The Harsh Truth About the GOAT Debate

[@nanailuver6788]

It’s crazy how one person can make a goat debate video better then espn

[@RWQMUZK]

BETTER!!!!!

[@castillojohnalexisv.5953]

Wayyy better dude! It's just wow!

[@geraldhierro9961]

Wao! That’s an explosive analytical opinion. Damn RIGHT!!

[@justnahayo8490]

Fr😂😂

[@samnangchea5025]

It's why I dont bother watching Espn...

[@SilkOCE]

At least there's no debate that Jxmy is the goat of NBA KZbin.

[@brendankamikawaji2562]

Kenny is close dawg don’t sleep

[@RKWDBMX]

maybe the goat of educating casuals. But if you truly understand the game his channel just scratches the surface of basketball.

[@scramblelikeaeggbeforeifol5833]

@@brendankamikawaji2562 no he’s not the only time he talks about the NBA is on Kenny4real and it’s not as in depth as Jimmy’s videos

[@pillwolak]

*Mike Korzemba enters chat*

[@axen584]

Fr

[@randomperson2540]

This is the best video video I have ever seen about a goat debate without being a whole essay, very impressive, you always surprises and I love your content

[@kostaspapas3202]

Wow you saw a 15 minute video in 7 minutes!

[@elgin_gibbins]

I watched the whole video and it still says 6 mins ago. You just need to refresh

[@dreamchaser1419]

@@elgin_gibbins bro jus got caught in his lie😂😂he jus want the likes like damn bro watch the full video and learn first.

[@bigdollabill7426]

😂😂

[@zay_gzs5635]

Exactly but I think we can all agree the goat is Tyler Herro

[@fatal9316]

This is literally the most insanely well put together youtube video I have ever seen. Production on point!

[@jstorange248]

Man, this felt like a 4-hour documentary when in reality it was 15 minutes. Keep up the awesome work Jxmy!

[@jackbarnes9316]

Dude if it feels like the video is dragging on than that’s not good.

[@A5AP_SWEATSHIRT]

Yea that’s not a compliment saying it felt longer than what it was but I get what you’re trying to say

[@drakes.7710]

@@A5AP_SWEATSHIRT I think he’s trying to say in terms of the amount of content and the amazing formatting of it, not that it dragged on, I guess more so that he was “able to fit 4 hours of content in a 15 minute video” is one way you could interpret it

[@TheFsissala]

For real 😂😂

[@crøwn-yami]

u tripping fym it felt like 4 hours?? it felt like 15 mins

[@wyattwatson9848]

Dang I actually noticed how impressed I was with the structure of this video. The most important questions, and the most thorough explanations to them

[@adenwoodson6731]

Same

[@jm0122]

I've never watched NBA and don't know shit about basketball. It is just this guy's incredibly passionate storytelling that keeps me glued to whatever it is that he is talking about. Amazing man, hats off!

[@NBAClient]

what song is this 13;50

[@retrogaming2899]

@Frank P nah fr cuz like why don’t they watch basketball😂

[@baggella7964]

And that is exactly how I got into basketball. Thank you jimmy

[@SimonGr8]

@@retrogaming2899 neither do I. I’m European, so the time difference makes it hard. And I’m a football fan, but love these videos

[@retrogaming2899]

@@SimonGr8 ah that makes sense you should just watch re runs or something but I understand

[@seanhogan6533]

Just finished the 2024 Paris Olympics and I can say this is getting Tom Brady level of “how am I still watching this?”

[@Tunvan_Hador]

Real lebron just gotta join the wizards and win a chip to be like tb12

[@unnameduser3677]

“People don’t realize how good this kid is. They always focus on his dunking the basketball. If he didn’t dunk the ball, he’d be as great as any player who’s ever played this game.” - Jerry West on Michael Jordan….before Jordan ever stepped on an NBA court.

[@chandlerrodgers5415]

Game recognizes game

[@ki11acam_23]

@@chandlerrodgers5415 West also didn’t think Magic would be a good point guard in the nba tbf

[@dkmrap1]

@@ki11acam_23 are you really trying to discredit jerry west

[@jeromegarner7196]

@@dkmrap1 is the statement true or not true?

[@dkmrap1]

@@jeromegarner7196 doesnt mea anything. q 6'9 pg was unprecedented

[@nmbileg]

"ESPN already gives you a DAILY goat debate anyways"- Jxmy. Soooo true man 😂😜

[@CreamPieSundays]

This video was fucking trash!! It added nothing to the overall debate/discussion. It was JUST as bad as the ESPN and Undisputed takes, everybody do yourself a favor and check out uncut hoops video kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6jQcniBec16qc0

[@alexandrefelix4028]

Jimmy… this video is a masterpiece, that last minute and a half literally gave me chills and shivers down my spine. I’ve never been so intrigued by the “G.O.A.T. Talk” like this before. You didn’t once force yourself to answer the big question, “Who is The Greatest of All Time?”, I can tell that you just love basketball and love talking about it.

[@bowskee]

that last minute gave me chills

[@dimitries]

Bron plays no def and when he does he taking the easiest assignments. These mind bending feats hes talking about is coming off of being a liability on the def end

[@kristijanEX]

I don't agree with how he described their careers, writing subjectively like that you can make either look better and I think he made Lebron look better. Realistically you could have formulated those last 2 minutes to favor MJ's narrative by just phrasing it differently. Example : Jordan was drafted on a terrible team with crack smokers, but weathered the storm of the Celtics, Pistons and Lakers to take the torch and become the dynasty that nobody could match, he had to retire to give other people the chance to win a ring. Lebron on the other side was drafted to a similarly terrible team, but he escaped the grind and formed 3 super teams whilst 4 rings in more tries.

[@splitrivet8956]

When lebron gets 6 we can talk... just cause you score points dont make you the greatest

[@xtackett3728]

@@splitrivet8956 team sport bozo

[@nathanielzimmerman2360]

Medical treatments are far more advanced now, which I think is a huge factor to LeBron lasting so long.

[@OG_Orly_OG]

why is nobody else lasting as long? except the ones who are better scorers in nba history

[@zuippy845]

It wouldn’t have mattered for jordan because he was a gambling addict

[@zuippy845]

@@OG_Orly_OGJordan wouldn’t have because of his off the field habits

[@LKS69]

nah nah jordan is just an alocholic dummy

[@lkfacility4718]

Don’t think that to be true, since we have more injuries now than ever before. People missing constantly and players regress a lot earlier. LeBron is just a freak of nature. 40 years old, and he’s carrying Team USA and dominating the world. (KD kinda contesting that now he’s back, almost equal now.)

[@ethanklein7319]

Jimmy I have been watching you since 2018 and it never ceases to amaze me how regardless of views, subscribers, or the changing social environment your content is so damn consistent. So cool to see you've reached almost 2 million subscribers! Keep up the good work.

[@djakademics1410]

Thank me later💪 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6SnmqWbaL19orc

[@seanmaher3018]

Yo bro don't google your name 😂😂

[@LTJ]

Literally one of the best vids by Jimmy that he's ever done. Just magnificent.

[@SoDakZak]

Makes me realize that Michael Jordan is the Usain Bolt of the NBA and LeBron is the Eliud Kipchoge. Both are masters of their thing, Michael at a fast unbeatable career at the fastest level, LeBron at sustained excellence. I’ve been done with the GOAT debates since Kobe passed, I’ve learned to just appreciate the greatness we get to watch live while it’s happening instead of fighting and reducing one side or the other.

[@idkskii]

@@SoDakZak well said brother

[@yodude8686]

it's the music for me

[@jmendez127]

The best unheard of stat for Jordan is leading the league in scoring and making all defensive first team in the same season. He did that 9 times! For Bron taking that 07 cavs team to the finals is an underrated achievement. Jordan never took a bad team to the finals. Both players have done things the other hasn’t. Let’s all appreciate the greats while we still can.

[@SwaggerLikeUz]

J Mendez Magic took His team to the Finals His rookie yr, started at center, won final's MVP, Kareem didn't play cause He was hurt. And your acting like Lebron losing is impressive. Jordan early in His career faced more top 50 legends than any current player. And when He faced them He dropped record numbers like 63pts vs The Celtics (The Champs) in 86'. Lebron is only relevant cause the league is watered down.

[@jordansoloskobe7495]

@@SwaggerLikeUz u acting like magic carried the lakers through the whole playoffs by hisself with a roster full of bums. kareem in the playoffs before getting hurt was putting 32 pts 12 rebounds 3 asts along with 3 blocks. no one is saying lebron losing is impressive but are talking about how he brought a team full of make a wish kids to the finals. The argument about how jordan faced more top 50 players is ain’t really effective since none of these current players really faced any top 50 players. Not only that the 63 pts jordan dropped against the celtics ended up in a loss. now i’m not saying it’s not impressive but if you arguing about lebron’s 2007 run not being impressive since he loss in the finals, then you can say the same about the 63 pts which are both dumb. saying lebron is only relevant cause he plays in a “watered down league” is retarded. so going against the dynasty warriors dynasty spurs big 3 celtics bulls led by mvp d rose just to name a few is watered down. come on now pls tell me how the league is watered down. Edit: forgot to say how he had to go against the orlando magic led by superstar dwight howard who was winning 3 straight dpoys and the detroit pistons who at the time were contenders

[@deincskalic5246]

@@SwaggerLikeUz bro just hating at this point 😭, they both the goats. One dominated the most talented basketball era ever, the other won every final he was playing so stop being a child

[@steviegreenthumb4720]

@@SwaggerLikeUz imagine being this mad that someone complemented lebron. Grow up bruh.

[@bjrnthebootybandit]

was a weak East.

[@TheDanielShields]

Great Video. One thing I would mention is pressure. Lebron was on magazines at 17 and named greatest prospect ever, and told you better be great or else. He met all that and more.

[@kendrickmajor4218]

The difficulties of this GOAT debate is the fact that each player played in different eras with different rules and rule changes. I have to just appreciate each player for what they did in their individual eras

[@mitronzongo]

Plus mj retired early

[@aldrichemrys]

This is such an easy way out of the GOAT debate, you're side-stepping it and not engaging with the topic at hand. Just because the GOAT debate is difficult due to differences over different time period, doesn't mean it's impossible nor does it mean the debate is invalid.

[@brocktherock4370]

@@aldrichemrys he’s right there were way different rules in Jordan’s era the lebrons era for example illegal defense this was a rule that made it strictly man to man there was only one defender in your way another person couldn’t leave his guy to help out that was illegal defense now imagine if lebron only had to blow pass one person

[@brocktherock4370]

@@aldrichemrys skill set has changed the era of superteams have changed and rules are getting more different as it goes on

[@tacshrimp5184]

@@IHateStroads Exactly, hockey is really the only sport with an “undisputed” GOAT. Even then some believe it would be Mario Lemeiux for similar reasons. Shorter career, injuries, but shined very bright when they were there.

[@5lim.0]

This is the best GOAT debate video ever. And not just because I mostly agree. But I love the way you provide facts and analysis while praising both players because they are AMAZING

[@jsgr5382]

Let me guess. You agree with his opinion. What a shocker

[@Mataszki]

Bro Look at the Video by DANGERProductions I like that one even better

[@5lim.0]

@@jsgr5382 You’re silly fam. It’s almost like you didn’t actually read the comment

[@theotherview1716]

Lebron and Jordan are equal. It depends on their teammates. Lebrons value grows as his teammates are worse. Jordan is the opposite.

[@Topagendadolla]

@@theotherview1716 they are not equal. Jordan is better he can fit in more systems. You can plug him into any situation and they will have some form of success and his production won’t fluctuate.

[@AlmightyBosstop]

As a foreigner , this mans use of basic english lexicon to convey information effortlessly for me to understand Amazes me. I love you man 🏁

[@Katagatamekiller]

Dude you’re English lexicon is better than most people who speak English as a first language.

[@777wrath]

@@Katagatamekiller "It appears that my poor grasp of the English language has resulted in me needing to hear simple and succinct statements regarding the GOAT debate for the sport of Basketball." - Foreigner with better English than native English speakers

[@nananyantakyi1549]

​@@KatagatamekillerExactly 😂

[@tristanfarbig6067]

Yeah, I thought the same 👍🏼

[@johnnyneptune2730]

​@@777wrathand then says "sorry for my bad english"

[@UnseenVoices]

6-0 in finals & global impact on the sport in an era of no social media cannot be beat 🐐 Besides we all have eyes and can see art.

[@Smaugsportfolio]

Making the finals and losing>getting swepped in the first round

[@VeganMarx]

I wish these videos would factor in an in-depth discussion about teammates, strength of era, coaching etc. factors outside of individual play/accolades because all of that goes into the success a player has, too. Unseen or not. I’m really glad you touched on it. I appreciate that.

[@raawflatmo]

All sports improve every decade.

[@CreamPieSundays]

I highly suggest you watch this video then, it's more in-depth then this hogwash tbh. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6jQcniBec16qc0

[@extinctcomp3908]

He’s done videos on the most difficult championships, which correlates to the Era’s topic you mentioned.

[@king-ghost1027]

If all of that is put into perspective then kobe is the greatest

[@aduad]

Exactly, ultimately there are things that will forever haunt LeBron's GOAT debate regardless of what stats he finishes with. 1. His meltdown against Dallas. 2. Having a LOSING record in the finals - yes this matters and don't give me he faced a super team take since LeBron created multiple super teams and Harden did more against said super team. I mean thank God for the fake bubble championship which jmx has placed as one of the easiest championships of all time otherwise.... 3. He ran and created multiple super teams to stack the deck. 4. LeBron's longevity is great but modern medicine/diet and rule changes and scheduling helped out with that a lot. 5. LeBron's scoring while great would not be as high without the 3 sec rule, just imagine if all his career a Gorbert or Giannis or Embiid could just wait in the paint as long as they want for LeBron to drive. 6. LeBron's offense might be great in year 19 but his defense is terrible, he is basically stat padding at this point. 7. LeBron is about to miss the playoffs with a super team he built AND with the affordance of a play in tournament when he is supposedly still in his prime and a top 10 player. 8. Free throw shooting and other holes/intangibles in is game like not having a killer instinct.

[@majooglytango]

This was so well crafted I almost shed a tear. Good stuff Jxmy

[@leonli4647]

Hold your tear yet. Try this one: kzbin.info

[@ChiseledAdonis]

Hell of a video man, the research is always spot on

[@russmayos3694]

Can’t wait for another “sent into the shadow realm” video

[@applebite228]

I don't understand why people measure players by longevity. Longevity doesn’t mean you have good skills, it just means you have a good lifestyle.

[@KinJones-k7v]

Yo aren't listening.

[@Zman29]

This mans whole youtube channel is just pure perfection. The amount of work, time, thought put into these videos is unbelievable.

[@Kenkoopa44]

The best take on this debate I’ve seen. Absolutely crushing every single point. Thank you Jimmy!!!!!!!

[@Willy72070]

You know Jimmy is good when his videos literally change the way people (including other KZbinrs) see basketball. Take your crown King Jimmy 👑

[@dawgnationsickem]

My fault

[@dreamchaser1419]

nah we love the game. jimmy just researches wat we wont take the time too. he doesnt change the way i see the game he just spits facts.

[@ig1hunnitk.a229]

Get Jimmy’s jimmy out of your jaw bro goddamn😹 nigga said “ king jimmy “😹

[@Willy72070]

@@dawgnationsickem You a real 1 man✌️

[@dawgnationsickem]

@@Willy72070 damm bru

[@lesleeshu4017]

Pretty nice video that put different perspective into dissecting the measurement of defining goat. In my opinion you could have added two more. This would be the game itself, which has a big influence to longevity of the career also. And the rivals they had to face to be crowned as the goat. The numbers games also becomes more irrelevant, because the game of basketball changed in those generation and the style also challenge to score changed. Just my 2 cents. Keep up the great work!

[@strikeback1080]

Best analysis of the GOAT debate between these two legends that I have ever seen or heard. Loved the explanation of how you view "the best player" and "the greatest player" differently. And the usage of Chamberlain and Russell could not have been done better. First time watching your work. SUBSCRIBED.

[@youngerudit2524]

if thats your first time then you're spoiled my friend. you found the best nba content there is period. just watch the videos

[@Ghostof_88]

@@youngerudit2524 😵‍💫🥱🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@Bandofthehawk00]

Lebron is by far the GOAT.. Jordan played for a long ass time.. 18 or 19 years. He only made all NBA 11 times Jordan spent half of his career losing year after year after year in the very first round And wasn’t even making the all NBA list until he got Scottie pippen this guy is literally bringing up “advanced stats” like PER boban marjonovic has the highest PER of all time those advanced stats are useless You could be efficient in 10 minutes and have super high advanced stats Real stats matter Like points per game, assists per game, blocks, rebounds All that random shit like PER and VORP are for nerdy analytics guys. Analytics ruin the nba lol. They use like fractions and try to determine the best player by advanced metrics that aren’t even real life. Boban has the best advanced stats that exist And teams don’t even want him. Jordan played till he was 39. Lebrons 38. Jordan entered the league at 20 Lebron entered at 18. In Jordan’s era zone defense wasn’t even allowed Everyone had to be “man covered” one on one. Zone defense is what ALL teams use today and is far superior, guys like lebron and Giannis could score 59 a game back then with man defense. Zone defense became allowed after shaq Because the rules Jordan played with made shaq too OP Shaquille O’Neal made the NBA allow a bunch of other forms of defense. Because nobody could one on one stop Shaquille O’Neal And they’ve stayed ever since. Dudes like lebron, Giannis and shaq would have even better numbers than they do if they played with the same rules as Jordan, and wilt and magic and all those guys. That’s something nobody talks about. You had to man check. Then shaq came and there was literally no way to stop him so they changed the rules. The NBA changes the rules FOR Jordan to make it easier for him. And they changed the rules for shaq to make it harder for him. That’s why I think shaq is a top 4 player all time. Lebron would’ve been the same way. Unstoppable, Lebron is better than Jordan by far and has better stats and is just overall greater he’s the goat

[@strikeback1080]

@@youngerudit2524 Yeah bro I like what he's putting down here. And I will stay tuned in. Thanks.

[@Kushenable]

@@Bandofthehawk00 just no... if all ppl on the planet has to choose wich player u want to watch... 99% would watch jordan again instead of lebron... thats a fact and thats the reason why he is the goat... in 100 years, every man, child, woman on the planet will know michael jordan... for sure. the influence that he have is untouchable and he was the best basketball player by far... longevity doesnt beat killer instinct and influence!

[@PadChennington]

"When does the longevity of Lebron's brilliance simply outmatch the slightly greater, but much shorter brilliance, of Michael?" The perfect way to sum it all up, amazing vid as always jxmy

[@karlhungus2590]

Never!

[@RVFCalvo]

🙄

[@SHANELMUSIC]

@@karlhungus2590 stop lyin to ya self😁

[@harrahcreary15]

Slightly better . You must not check Mj stats

[@evergreatest8909]

It can't unfortunately. He's loss too much

[@FreeDawkins]

Man you are so good at this Jxmy, Top 5 talent on KZbin hands down

[@kfl16]

same for you youre the goat of posting highlights

[@philosophytwissan]

🐐 🤝 🐐

[@seasonone]

Game recognize game. Goat x Goat shit right here.

[@butterflies339]

🐐🤝🐐

[@whatisahandle_69]

Top 5 is an exaggeration

[@Harutoaoii]

Funny thing is most people calling Jordan the goat never saw him play cause they weren’t born back then

[@ShadowForce44]

Mhh idk I’m sure a large part of those people saw him play. I wouldn’t be surprised if the younger the person is the higher chance they think Bron is the goat

[@TheMainGoat9]

Bro, stop denying facts. Mj is better objectively it dosent matter if you were alive or not

[@rajasamra9543]

This was an absolute masterpiece Jxmy. Over the years I’ve had countless GOAT debates with my friends, and things tend to get heated which leads to a more emotion based debate. This video broke down the argument in such a concise and articulate way, and I couldn’t agree with you more.

[@lukahansongolf]

This channel is without a doubt, the best basketball channel on KZbin. Jimmy goes into such detail and has such convincing arguments that he could probably convince all of us that Brian Scalabrine is the GOAT. Keep up the good work and keep making the best basketball videos on KZbin! Edit: jeez people are getting so mad over me complimenting someone, like calm down.

[@robbasgaming7044]

Well, he's called the white mamba for a reason

[@nicke8593]

Factual statement.

[@thorfinnoars1443]

You should check out legend of winning too, he’s pretty informative on basketball

[@sharifbrown3567]

You've never watched thinking basketball then.

[@17an28]

I don't really get why he doesn't have more subs, he definitely deserves more.

[@vladispurs]

I had no idea what a masterpiece was until I saw this video. So well produced and explained, I really appreciated every second of it. My kind regards.

[@djakademics1410]

Thank me later💪 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6SnmqWbaL19orc

[@asyetundetermined]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp2WnoVsmtR4l5o Far better video on the same topic

[@Nobody55564]

Facts

[@vladispurs]

@@asyetundetermined thanks, I'll watch it

[@richardkamwezi9297]

This GOAT debate video is goated. Excellent work.

[@jrealdahoodsgreatest]

"The race to become the goat, has become a marathon." I agree

[@philipbenhardb.velasco369]

BAAARS

[@calebreeve4397]

Tbf how do we hold it against lebron for being so good for so long? Like shouldnt that contribute majorly to whos more great. Not really fair to criticize someone for not retiring after 13 years and not having 6 rings. Like you want them to just give up?

[@ferchango6359]

@@calebreeve4397 No.. if so then Kareem is the GOAT.

[@jaybrick8973]

He just needs to pass Kareem tbh

[@dylanallen7720]

@@ferchango6359 Kareem averaged 14 ppg in his 19th season lebron is averaging 30….

[@azariahzappetta]

This was the best video I’ve seen ever. The work put into this is phenomenal and I really enjoyed every second of it.

[@KCJbomberFTW]

I was genuinely sad when I looked down and saw there was only one minute left I wanted this to be a 40 min doc

[@gonzalezprod]

@@KCJbomberFTW same

[@theconman5540]

I have no idea how you aren’t on a major sports network. Your work is so consistent and well put together.

[@chickenwing43]

Thats why he isn’t.

[@Adam_the_One]

@@chickenwing43 😭 you're not wrong

[@212mochaman]

Well for starters i doubt ESPN would hire a guy to do 15 minutes of goat debate. I doubt they'd hire a guy to do 15 SECONDS of goat debate. Just yell out lebron's the goat for 30 seconds then go to commercial

[@theconman5540]

@@212mochaman bro every day they dedicate 5 to 10 mins debating the goat. what espn are you watching???

[@212mochaman]

@@theconman5540 I'm not. Lesson learnt

[@dinkleberg6982]

Currently his 22nd season and still one of the best players on the planet lmao

[@matthewdutton9910]

I cannot get over how good your videos are. It's so consistent, I know that every single moment I spend watching your videos is a well spent one. I love the fact-based videos, stats are truly king.

[@AxxLAfriku]

One thing! Just one thing! Please tell IT to me: WHY tf do I have so many fans even though no KZbinr is unprettier than I am? WORLDWIDE!!!! WHY??? Tell me, dear matt

[@rossek3897]

Couldn't of said it better. I truly enjoy these videos.

[@carloscabret7488]

Hands down the best interpretation of the goat debate I’ve ever seen. You sir deserve to be a full time journalist covering whatever sport you choose. Kudos.

[@4realGTFOH]

He's great doing this. Fk journalism

[@tmnleggy8665]

lol makes bank from these videos. what makes him not journalist at this point? lmao

[@jubal1794]

Lol he's making 5x what he would make doing journalism

[@CreamPieSundays]

This video was fucking trash!! It added nothing to the overall debate/discussion. It was JUST as bad as the ESPN and Undisputed takes, everybody do yourself a favor and check out uncut hoops video kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6jQcniBec16qc0

[@jacobkindler1665]

Jimmy has a future in writing. This is one of my favorite videos on the channel as of late and probably the best goat debate video I’ve ever watched 👏🏻

[@djakademics1410]

Thank me later💪 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6SnmqWbaL19orc

[@luisvergara6502]

Too many assumptions. For example assuming the Bulls couldn't have won a 4th straight when he retired the first time after MJ finished those finals averaging 41ppg. Stick to the facts and not assuptions. You wanna see a great breakdown? Watch "Jordan vs Lebron, The Best GOAT Comparison". Strictly based on facts, not assumptions.

[@TheWancer]

@@luisvergara6502 did you watch last dance ??

[@starmorpheus]

A future? Bro he's already doing it lol.

[@luisvergara6502]

@@TheWancer Yes, what about it?

[@Tkokat]

I am not a huge basketball fan, it's crazy how this man makes me stare at the screen (without blinking) with nothing but a few charts and a couple of video highlights. The production is great, don't get me wrong, but to pull me in like this... you're like a wizard, dude. Your well constructed story telling and documentary-esque narration is out of this world.

[@MultiSneakerLover]

Lol ok (without blinking)

[@Tkokat]

@@MultiSneakerLover it was strangely worded. I will take the L

[@calvin9187]

@@Tkokat don't worry about him, he's trying to gatekeep basketball lol. I also never cared about basketball, but Jimmy's videos and editing has me hookeddd

[@brobi-wankenobi2369]

LeBron’s greatness is unquestionable. Having the privilege of watching Micheal Jordan growing up as well as LeBron more recently, there is an intangible difference between them. If Jordan’s competitors didn’t play to his level of intensity on any given night, their chances of winning were slim. His competitiveness and intensity demanded that not only his opponents, but also his teammates elevate their level of play or else it was his game. The outcome of the game would be determined by him. Nobody has ever been able to match that. Kobe was close and Lebron dominates in a different way. Again, it’s an intangible thing. Advanced metrics, data sets or statistics can’t quantify it.

[@ballislife9924]

Yeah he had that special aura. It's hard to quantify and I'm a big science and numbers guy. But there was something about him. You just couldn't bet against him. I think that also contributed to his almost mythical status. We as humans love the supernatural, the non explainable, the mysterious and mythical. Jordan somehow encapsulates all of that. Kobe was the only one who came close to that since then but he had too many human flaws and also as a player. But since Kobe did came close to it his death felt so surreal. Because he also appeared larger than life. LeBron is special but he just doesn't have that aura. He always looks and feels beatable somehow.

[@robg738]

Part of what makes MJ the goat in my eyes was his character. People want to compare stats, attributes, athletic ability and championships. No one ever compares their character. Lebron self-proclaiming himself as the goat ends the debate real quick for me, personally.

[@iliketurtles7782]

Lebron the goat IMO Bc he can last so long and can still be a top 10-5 player

[@Zack-yl1qf]

@@iliketurtles7782 MJ was top 10 in scoring and won 32 of the 60 games he played in when he was 38/39. He had kwame Brown and Ty Lue to work with that season. A much younger Kobe proved that's not an easy task. LeBron was 36/37 this season. MJ was also trending upward after starting slow from not playing professionally and entering the MVP race before getting hurt. After the slow start, he was averaging almost 30 before getting hurt. He was 9th in the league in scoring and climbing. His first year in Washington is overlooked because he started slow and got injured and he fell off the next year when he was 40. But for those 60 games he took a bad team to a winning record. So despite what Jimmy has no evidence for, there's actual proof he would've won on a bad team. Considering he actually did it... 2 years older than LeBron was this season at that.

[@iliketurtles7782]

@Zoo Keeper you don’t even think he’s top 10…

[@successanyanwu5609]

This video is one of the most beautiful things I’ve ever seen. The production value, the script, the editing, the content and argument itself is incredible. No debate that Jxmy is the GOAT of basketball youtube

[@nathanyue7448]

After absolutely carrying team USA at age 39 to an Olympic gold medal and winning Olympic MVP, I really have to give it to Lebron being the GOAT. Do I think that Jordan had a higher peak? Slightly. Do I think that Jordan was more feared and revered in his prime? Yes. Do I think Jordan had a greater killer instinct? No doubt. In a complete re-draft of every player to ever touch a basketball, I would still take Michael Jordan with the first pick. But can I also concede the fact that Lebron's greatness probably surpasses Jordan? Yes.

[@jianclark3016]

There are no words for this production. It feels like watching a quality documentary. I wonder how amazing would it be if you make an hour long documentary of any topic. Goosebumps. Great job bro! And thanks for these awesome vids!

[@williamgibson5096]

I love your detailed analysis of the goat debate! This is statistically the best I have seen/heard! Great job!

[@jdw5706]

Very true. So many people take a super casual approach and just nitpick stuff to back up their guy. This was a very objective breakdown.

[@jsgr5382]

He left out so many factors. Quality of opponents. Health of teammates and opponents, coaching. This was avg at best

[@gaoshanr]

@@jsgr5382 then you do better

[@jsgr5382]

@@gaoshanr If I knew how to make videos I would make a better video. Still waiting for a video that talks about MJ teammates health vs lebrons teammates health. MJ coaching vs lebrons coaching. The fact the Knicks (and Pacers) were so overated and basically the only challenge in the east and people talk about LeBrons east but mjs was worse. The fact MJ played in a man to man , no zone , illegal defence era which anyone who knows basketball is much much easier to score and suited MJ talents as a slasher. The fact MJ's era avg the most free throws ever and you couldn't breathe on MJ. LeBron gets the Shaq treatment cause he's too strong. He didn't mention the many other analytics categories that lebron leads over mj. Took only the basic ones that favour MJ. The fact the 90's era the bulls dominated cane after 2 expansion eras with all the super teams gone. LeBron went through super teamadter super team, literally one after another. In their prime. The fact MJ never guards the best players , isn't responsible for playmaking or rebounding. All he had to was score. Then there's the off the court stuff. MJ is a degenerate bum. LeBron is annoying but a saint compared to MJ. Just a far better human being. Things that should be mentioned. He left out all that and more and I didn't stop while typing this to even think. I'll bet I could think of many more things. This was biased cause he knows most of his audience or sheep like jordanites and he'll get clicks and praise

[@marcelelliott7554]

@williamgibson If you liked this one you should definitely look up LeBron Vs Jordan The GOAT debate Trust me that video is almost at 15 million view and is the best comparison anyone has ever seen. Funny story it's the only video on that channel lol

[@duyduydan]

This was a beautifully made video with so many good points. The best GOAT debate video ever

[@user-us2fq3mp5b]

Sorry, someone made a 30 minute video more in depth about this same type of stuff 4 years ago. MJ vs lebron goat debate so this reminded me of a copy and paste video honestly

[@samhoffer]

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[@rakuzan9148]

@@user-us2fq3mp5bthe issue is it was made 4 years ago

[@Noifsnobutsnococonuts-rj4kk]

@@user-us2fq3mp5bvideo name?

[@modernwonders9896]

For as well made as this video is he leaves out one of the most important metric in this debate and that is level of competition. Glaring mistake in my opinion - you can actually see the difference when you look at the footage. Anyone connected to sports, youth sports knows that coaching is constantly getting better, the pipeline for finding and developing young talent is getting better, and given the money and opportunity that goes along the NBA (credit to MJ for that) the talent, skills, and ability of each new generation of players just gets better and better. LeBron has had to play against much better competition. LeBron had had to continually develop his game and he has which is why his overall value and numbers have remained high, while MJ’s numbers declined. Michael was the ultimate competitor, but LeBron is the greatest player of all time. Think about this if you need more proof - how many times did MJ defend a Center? LeBron’s ability, even into his late thirties, to play all five positions, to guard any player on the court including Centers is not something MJ could do. Another important metric left out of this video and the GOAT debate IMHO. Loved MJ, but LeBron has surpassed him, and that is great for the game.

[@MukiBlalock]

This Jordan/Lebron NBA debate is SIMILAR to the 🍚 RICE/LARGENT NFL QUESTION!😂🎉❤

[@buffgarfield414]

Love how you can breakdown the nuances of the conversation in a simple manner, and even give relevant examples.

[@pepironi992]

It’s very simple. Jordan was more clutch and a better scorer Lebron is a better at everything else and makes his teams better A few additional things. When Jordan retired the first time the bulls still won 50 plus games without him and almost made the finals except for one bad call vs the Knicks Meantime when Lebron left the cavs twice they went from 60 wins to 19 after he left. So he was Personally responsible for 40 more wins. Thts insane Lebrons legacy is hurt with the spurs and mavs loss in the finals however the warrior team that won 70 games and Lebron beat is by far a much better team than any teams Jordan faced in the finals In conclusion. For one game. U take Jordan. For a season u take Lebron and if u think Kobe is on the level of these two guys u should be banned from ever talking about basketball

[@allmightoneforall1338]

The "accolades" of dpoy etc. Is a shit argument because those are popularity contests and LeBron has been snubbed on numerous occasions in order to protect Jordan's legacy its glaringly obvious 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@clover7726]

@@pepironi992 I agree, Lebron played against the 2 best teams in NBA history... Spurs and Warriors, If Jordan faced a team even half as good as those two, his career wouldve been extremely diferent.

[@world-_-killers5235]

@@IHateStroads jordan wouldve won it a 6th and 7th time in 92 and 93 he led the league in scoring and steals but the media didn't want him to get it either so that point is gone

[@OneUniteEros]

This video lacks nuance and context. U can't talk about who's the best when they played in different eras. Least U can do is compare their eras and the competition they faced to win rings. Lebron has clearly played in the most skilled era and faced some of the greatest NBA dynasties ever assembled. MJ won 10 scoring title in his era, scoring more than 30 ppg in his prime. Lebron has only 1, maybe 2 this season. That's how Jxmy presented his stats in this video. But it's apple to oranges: Would MJ win 10 scoring titles in an era with Harden, KD, Kobe, Steph ??? Would MJ win has many rings in an era with Kobe & Shaq? Spurs Dynasty? Warriors Dynasty ? Big 3 Celtics ? MJ had similar Dynasties when he came to the league but couldn't beat them: Bird's Celtics or Magic's Lakers until they got old. Also Jxmy shows a graphs of their stats where MJ has 15 seasons and Lebron 18 seasons, completely irrelevant and pointless since Lebron has played more season...? All this to bring longevity? Lebron will be the all time scoring leader in less seasons and less games AND less figure attempts than Kareem. This is the context you need to bring when u do comparisons. Otherwise u resume everything to numbers and it's meaningless; u can make ur first NBA finals win and retire with the best numbers to have the greatest numbers ever. Compare the players era, their talent, their competition AND the stats.

[@AjinkyaMaldikar]

This is without a shadow of a doubt the GOAT video on KZbin made on the nba goat debate! Take a bow brother, you couldn’t have made a better video!

[@tsiyonjulien9890]

THE BEST video I have ever watched concerning the GOAT debate. You cover every important aspect while remaining unbiased and accurate. Simply just amazing.

[@Chadckay]

He ignored several important aspects. This is the best Goat debate video where actual research was done Jordan vs Lebron - The Best GOAT Comparison kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp2WnoVsmtR4l5o DANGERProductions

[@maxverstappen2713]

this is the best i've seen kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp2WnoVsmtR4l5o

[@dillthedealer]

Unbiased haha stop bro

[@brandonyo5718]

I feel cause Micheal Jordan has Jordan brand people see him as more of a goat subconsciously

[@Chadckay]

@@brandonyo5718 No, if you were around when he played you would realise he's the GOAT. The only one's who consider the failure that is Lebron James the GOAT are people who never existed when Jordan played. How a player who has only won 4 championships in 19 seasons can be considered even top 5 is hilarious

[@gauravshukla71]

The goat debate obviously never ends. The way I circumvent this is "if we had a draft today including all of the greats as a rookie, assuming the same injury histories we've seen, who'd you take first?" Gets some interesting responses

[@badxgrass]

The question that fans should be asking is "Why is MJ the barometer for greatness?". This is a question that is rarely asked and should be explored more deeply, it goes waaaaayyyyy beyond the stats and accolades.

[@globalpigeon6571]

Yep. This is a good video about this kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp2WnoVsmtR4l5o

[@Seriouslydave]

theres a reason hes called black jesus, because he was like a demigod, i want ja morant to be that mythical as well but noone every exceeds mj, and he wasnt even trying to beat records by padding.

[@re-mix1040]

I think it’s because he was the first player who reached that magnitude. The new guy will be compared to the older guy. But I get what you’re saying because the conversation is “how can LeBron reach MJ in [insert career accolade in here].”

[@Obi-WanKannabis]

MJ has the aura of a winner, he's got the kind of personality that only the likes of Maradona have. The kind of rare people that will never lose a final if they are put in that position they will make sure they win.

[@sweatydjack4397]

Leadership

[@dogsandyoga1743]

I'm legit tired of the debate. But this was an amazing breakdown. Actually made me care again 😂 Immediate sub...

[@eazykiel157]

I like them both, they’ll always be at the top for me. Plumbers, Mickey Mouse ring, Soft, needed Pippen. I don’t care at this point, you can’t doubt they’re both the best at what they do

[@aaron.from.winchester6744]

You weren’t already subbed? Shame on you.

[@aaron.from.winchester6744]

Jk. Btw.

[@dtroits]

YOU WEREN’T ALREADY SUBBED?

[@andersondickey461]

You weren’t already subbed???

[@TheBroTVofficial]

And you're the Goat when it comes on making Videos like this!

[@thelongweekendph]

Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time. Fought through adversity, improved himself to win, etc. Lebron is the smartest basketball player of all time. He knows who to team up with to accomplish his goals, takes care of his body to accomplish those goals, etc.

[@Goofisawesome248]

Tim Duncan is the smartest basketball player of all time Mj is the best basketball player of all time Kobe is the most influential basketball players of all time Lebron is the thrived best player of all time

[@everything-comics1102]

@@Goofisawesome248curry is now most influential, previously it was AI

[@clayh4334]

I really appreciate the work you put in on this video and for this debate. I feel you've settled the argument in a manner that is satisfying for the time being.

[@lukeluke333lukeluke]

I'm not a Lebron fan but you can't deny how impressive has been for so long. Winning the championship with Cleveland is his greatest achievement. He's longevity is on another level. For those reason I can understand way people would have him as the GOAT. Saying that. MJ is my pick for GOAT for so many reasons.

[@franciscohubahib540]

I can't consider a player to become a "GOAT" who can't shoot FT to tie or to win the ballgames for so many times.....

[@civilwarrior2801]

@@franciscohubahib540 u talkin abt MJ or Lebron? MJ free throw percentages are better than Hebron and Also mj rarely flopped for free throws. Hope ur not talking abt him

[@jaycob1830]

Gretzky imo is the only true GOAT of his sport, and now maybe Brady. I find basketball so hard to figure out who the goat is, there is so many players with insane skill levels. As for baseball, Ruth played 100 years ago, I don’t think he’s the greatest ever as players have gotten better and better, but I don’t know who.

[@civilwarrior2801]

@@jaycob1830 ?? Baseball?

[@jaycob1830]

@@civilwarrior2801 ?

[@aleksanderb.5254]

One of the best videos i've seen in KZbin. Just an amazing work.

[@wxvykxfi9597]

let’s just appreciate how much time jimmy takes to make these entertaining videos for us💯

[@dawgnationsickem]

Like begger

[@ElegyVio]

@Wow 🅥 Jesus Christ is the truth reach out

[@reidb6327]

@@ElegyVio fake sky man 😭

[@jared.-_]

bot

[@dilucgiovanna1999]

I've never not see this comment on this channel

[@powellcards2609]

That was without a doubt one of the best basketball short films I've ever seen. Yes, films. This is the best take on a nuanced Goat debate that I've ever seen. Congrats, and thank you for this humble offering for basketball heads around the world.

[@CreamPieSundays]

Imo this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6jQcniBec16qc0 is overall better and more in depth, it's worth checking out.

[@brandonbuller2471]

completely agree. a masterpiece

[@CreamPieSundays]

@@brandonbuller2471 naw mate that video was trash and added NOTHIN to the discussion. Go check out Uncut Hoops video, now that's a in-depth and a must watch tbh.

[@TheNegationist]

@@CreamPieSundays bruh just give it up bro

[@CreamPieSundays]

@@TheNegationist naw I can't mate, people need a real in-depth video. The maker shit on ESPN while giving the SAME EXACT talking points. At least UnCut hoops gives you a REAL IN-DEPTH video, this shit was under garbage.

[@vincentkeefer9841]

Something interesting to note about longevity is: Lebron was the same age as mj when they won their last championships

[@yahiakamel2747]

Except lebron didn’t retire for 3 years and came into the nba way earlier so he played way more minutes lmao

[@SirTinkle221]

Ugh. It's not ur fault @Vinsent Keefer. But I can already see where this is going

[@BuddyMac69]

@@yahiakamel2747 not Lebron’s fault that he didn’t have a gambling addiction

[@pitrson666]

@@yahiakamel2747 and how is that relevant to what he said?

[@JJJameson.]

Is your Russ picture ironic?

[@l3roy619]

The way you make videos is poetic😢❤❤ Love IT!!!!! Keep it up❤

[@taggycs]

Always love watching these videos to see how Jimmy uses the numbers to tell a story that everyone can watch and enjoy regardless of their opinion on any sort of topic, so much fun to watch and be a part of

[@djakademics1410]

Thank me later💪 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6SnmqWbaL19orc

[@Terror832]

Alex Caruso vs Brian Scalabrine The real GOAT debate

[@owaismohammed9269]

😂😂

[@owaismohammed9269]

fax

[@shyadeny]

Put some respek on my boy Mamba

[@franz4044]

Bald Mamba Vs White Mamba

[@jacobs5410]

@@franz4044 Bald Mamba vs White Mamba vs Red Mamba

[@gamefreak2050]

Much respect to you Jimmy for touching on this subject with such an unbiased and informative approach. Keep on the good content brotha ❤

[@curtsiekert]

Unbiased? 😂

[@jamesl5513]

@@curtsiekert "😂", you mad asf lmao

[@realdjoffski]

He is biased towards LeBron James, only trying to be objective. This is not even a discussion. LeBron is never the same level as Chamberlain, Russell, Bird, Erving. The reason for LeBron dominance is low level of competition and low quality of players in LeBron's time. Thats why a lot of people stopped watching. I am starting to watch again thanks to Jokic, Doncic and McClung. No defense no fun. LeBron was bad influence on people and bad for the game. Dominating the thin years.

[@dothog1401]

​@@realdjoffskiHater alert 🚨

[@ParamoreFAV3]

Crazy; it’s been 2 years since this video and he’s still playing at the same level.

[@Rayonnant_style]

You also have to consider that our perception of greatness has many other factors such as impact on our culture. This is why Kobe is considered a GOAT contender. Watching him as a kid carry your team in that signature hero playstyle (clutch tough bucket getter) and then hearing about his sudden death makes him like a martyr, his influence is legendary enough for him to be GOATED despite the actual basketball data. Some players are greater than the game. Another great example is Yao Ming. This guy is a god in Asia. And I'm sure all of Greece loves Giannis. Greatness is an individualized experience based on perception and worldview. As jxmy said, it's a matter of best player and best legacy. You can also look at like this: Who do I want on my team vs Who will still be remembered 1000 years from now? Two very different questions, although you can definitely say the same one player can be both.

[@chimpanzee21]

Agreed. Kobe has no real GOAT case but his death has skyrocketed his legacy to the point where ignorance has made people believe he is. No disrespect to him though. 🐍

[@rnespecl5924]

Facts and having a well thought out debate online with stranger is almost non existent so the nuance makes even stating a stance contentious to say the least unfortunately

[@rengokusats]

kobe is the goat, period

[@aybudd1903]

If lebron wins another chip it will be a 50/50 on the Jordan lebron debate, but that’s if he wins again

[@Splxsh.z0ne]

This is t he truest comment I’ve ever seen

[@juanbotero1032]

I just have to say that the quality of your content is amazing. Goes to show how effort creates outstanding results. Personally I was someone closed to thinking that Lebron was close to Jordan in the GOAT debate but when someone explains the facts thoroughly like you did, you just have recognize the reality. For me it just comes down to personal opinion and is nothing to fight about, we should just appreciate greatness. 👑

[@philosophytwissan]

Looking forward to 5 years from now when you do a 10 year anniversary of your first (goat) video. You could just make it an every 5 year discussion. Maybe someone else will be on the radar in 5. Either way, great video as always

[@iliketurtles7782]

U never know if giannis jokic or Joel will be in the discussion in 5-10 years

[@StarsThen]

@@iliketurtles7782 Joel won’t be

[@iliketurtles7782]

@@StarsThen I said u never know

[@ericdno]

@@iliketurtles7782 but we kinda do

[@Fraudkovic]

@@StarsThen why not? He's way more skilled unlike that fraud giannisattackyouranklessothaticanwinaneasyring.

[@iworkoutlmfao]

Easy decision. Jordan’s Space Jam = Perfect LeBron’s Space Jam = Hot Garbage

[@Garrett_Temple_Fan]

Lebrons beard>jordans bald ahh

[@lopiez]

⁠@@Garrett_Temple_Fanhoes mad

[@samwilson4597]

@@Garrett_Temple_Fan u know that Lebron is bald too. bro is doing everything in his power to fight baldness

[@joeschmo4646]

@@samwilson4597I swear man these Lebron Glazers get worse and worse every year, just regurgitate whatever the LeMedia feeds them

[@javianjohnson8746]

Man this is a really in-depth analysis on this debate. Never thought about the “longevity” side of things

[@ZroBangerz]

Really? You never thought about that? That is a key factor in why Lebron is the goat in my opinion. He is the greatest pure basketball player of all time. Yes Jordan could score better, but that’s one piece of being a basketball player.

[@Isaac-fx8dg]

Bruh how

[@KCJbomberFTW]

Bruh what

[@Thomson07]

@@ZroBangerz what about defense though, you have to take that into account as well

[@lyzloh]

@@Thomson07 lebron isnt bad on defense, if he wanted to he prolly could of got a couple of dpoys but towards the end of the miami stint he got lazy on d. jordan didnt have to guard the best player on the opposing team for all 6 of his rings lebron is normally always guarding the best opposing player. another argument for the defensive side of basketball is that the players are just getting better and harder to guard, theres not many people that find new ways to defend people but theres always new offensive moves and ways to look at offense popping up

[@maryhanrahan]

I personally think you left one important thing out - He took the NBA global and the impact was insane. I am Australian and about the same age as MJ - We all knew about the great players at the time and used to get film but when MJ came onto the seen - in the moment he was breathtaking to watch - I have never felt that same way about any other player even though I thought there were many great players. He took the NBA International and was just as huge and his impact just as great outside the US -

[@TimAfterDinner]

I’m Australian and I hundred percent agree. I discover a lot of people who still don’t know who Lebron James is. On the other hand I’ve never met anyone who hasn’t heard of Michael Jordan.

[@vandanpatel923]

@@TimAfterDinner it’s either cap or they genuinely don’t know nba or follow it even a little bit. When you talk about nba, you will almost always start the convo with mj and bron. People will almost always talk bout mj or bron. The two icons

[@forest7420]

@@TimAfterDinner Cap, I always met people who had no clue of who Micheal Jordan was.

[@TimAfterDinner]

@@forest7420 what’s cap mean? I only know it as short hand for Cappuccino.

[@TimAfterDinner]

All good, google has taught me it means bullshit. No cap from my comment, just based off my experience. When further questioned people they usually correctly guess Lebron has something to do with basketball, very few have no clue who he is. But it isn’t automatic how people I have met know Mj.

[@djflugel79]

Would love to see a statistic approach with differences between their respective eras of playing. How difficult (by effort and technique) it was to be able to score each game with the defensive skilled opponents of their time. What could the stats say when you switch their eras?

[@mrNCSUman]

Era doesn’t matter, better is better

[@frankyg1334]

I beleieve they won’t do it since it will clearly tell that MJ is superior in many ways. A content, like this, will make it boring.

[@helloman3676]

The end of bench guy of the modern era would be a superstar in the Jordan era. The players are way way way way better now.

[@davo23452345]

imagine this? Jordan stats started from 18 years old like lebrons? then didnt retire for 2 years and then didnt retire for a further 3 years he would have 8 more years added onto his carreer plus he lost a season due to injuries but he got injuried. so adding 8 more prime years to jordan and he would have won more championships more mvps more scoring titles. lebron would have nothing on him at all by 37 years old 19 years into his career. plus jordan played for the love of winning and lebrons is playing for all achievements and to be the goat and plays the most minutes in garbage time then any other player in history just because he wants to play against the worse players to get his stats up. comparing jordan with lebrons is like comparing traditional made spaghetti to tin spaghetti no comparision.

[@YooNolan]

@@davo23452345 we can keep imaging fact of the matter is Jordan career is already over no point in contemplating what if

[@astroriley6280]

Once you start flipping for calls and points and attention you are out of the GOAT discussion. 😂😂😂

[@jjrouselle9448]

Jordan will forever be the greatest and the most influential and popular player of all time but we have to give lebron his respect he deserves for doing what he’s doing today at 37 it’s extremely impressive.

[@overlordjenkins8885]

Your goat played bums kzbin.info/www/bejne/sICxp4CBoK6jraM

[@jamesmitchell3615]

That's what steroids will do for an aging athlete 🙄

[@nature-kv3xe]

@@jamesmitchell3615 facts

[@bryant5786]

Eventually there will come a player that surpasses jordan records are meant to be broken

[@buttheadjoe]

Well said

[@lukasmatzke3327]

You are the new standard of nba content. I’ve been watching every video you put out for about year and every time you post I immediately watch. You’re editing, story telling, and effort you put in is incredible! Jordan and Lebron aren’t the goat, you are Jimmy!🐐

[@danishmohimohiuddin5644]

I personally don't think you can ever settle this debate because these players didn't play in the same era. Now if they did play in the same era you could compare stats and averages and stuff but since they didn't, I don't think this debate can ever be truly settled

[@RenardGarzaro]

You don't need stats to decide.

[@dominictrupiano]

⁠@@RenardGarzaro yes you do.

[@eol7604]

​@@RenardGarzaro average mj fan

[@parrallel_perceptions]

We can all agree that sports evolve and the level competition becomes harder throughout time. The league now is FILLED with superstars compared to the 90s. Lebron played in a more difficult league for much longer.

[@njm2557]

I agree. The game has changed a lot over the years so a true comparison isn’t possible.

[@KENflosion]

At this point LeBron and MJ are in different GOAT categories that can no longer be compared. Their goat worthy achievements are so divergent from eachother its pointless to argue them against eachother

[@nicktozzi1]

This is the best video that I’ve seen on this topic. It’s refreshing to listen to well-reasoned arguments based on facts and logic. I’ll always take that over chest-pounding emotional outbursts that are usually fueled by someone’s personal bias and lack of knowledge of the subject at hand.

[@RickM23]

Started watching the NBA as a kid 1993 (MJs first 3 peat). He’s my favorite player but when he retired in 2003, Lebron became my favorite. I’m privileged to have watched them both. I also invested on their cards, so in a way their greatness has brought me fortune too.

[@KobaniacMinded]

I LOVE the take bro... but Take AWAY all achievements who is the better PLAYER from a guy who loves both??

[@KallmeKnicK]

@@KobaniacMinded If I’m tryna build a team to win, first player I’m grabbing out of NBA history is MJ

[@RickM23]

@@KobaniacMinded Both of them at their peak, and I’m betting on one of them to win me a game. I have to go with Jordan.

[@RickM23]

@@KallmeKnicK I have to agree.

[@flexinja1166]

@@KallmeKnicK Bro really said take away achievements like they don't meaning anything 😭. If that's the case, bro might as well have Harden over Kobe as a better SG and Westbrook over Magic as the better PG from strictly a production standpoint.

[@rdot5113]

one of the worst arguments in the GOAT debate is "which era was better" you have casuals invalidating Wilt's greatness just because he played in an era where "players didnt even know how to dribble" or oldheads saying that the NBA have gone soft. although to some extent I agree to both of these statements... there is no way of telling which era was better BUT we can determine which players dominated in their RESPECTIVE ERAS. you cant say that you are more successful than your Father just because at age 16 you had a smartphone and he had a walkie talkie. the same analogy applies to sports. we shouldnt be comparing eras instead we should be comparing how great an athlete was in his own era. MJ dominated the 90s so much that HOFs and teams that were just as good as the bulls ended up ringless.

[@devacademe]

this is actually a good take. remember JJ Redick said that if we drop Kyrie Irving to the 60s everybody will look at him as a wizard. Even Alex Caruso will look like one if you drop him in the 60s. In sports we build on what came before. LBJ benefited from seeing MJ, AI, Kobe and all the other greats before him play. Plus, he has the other benefits of the technology today, that's why he does what he does at 37. We can't compare eras, but we can compere athletes on HOW THEY DOMINATED THEIR ERA. Nobody ate when MJ was on the table. The same cannot be said for LBJ.

[@Zack-yl1qf]

@@devacademe I get the argument for Russell and wilt a little more. It's hard to determine how great they actually were in their era due to only playing 11 other teams max and playing two teams in 5 game series for a maximum 10 game playoff. Kareem showed us he wasn't as untouchable as everyone thought when the NBA expanded from 16 teams.

[@Zack-yl1qf]

@@gordonlove5121 well said. I still regard Wilt russell and Kareem as top 10 or 15 players, personally. But if I had to put them in order I'd be lost after the first two.

[@retrosoul8770]

@@gordonlove5121 MJ prevented other dynasties from forming because he was the dynasty, twice, with 2 different rosters. Using his dominance against him is foolish, bias, and extremely flawed/backwards logic.

[@uarethemelonofmyeye]

Its not about which eras was better, its about which opponents were better. The warriors are by far better than any of the teams jordan faced, and that took away four years of lebron potentially winning the chip which was mostly used against lebron in the rings count argument. And you can argue spurs was better than all the teams jordan played too.

[@Daniel_B_23]

Lebron simply can’t win 6 rings and can’t stay with one team.

[@oliverhelden]

and jordan cant acchive ring without pippen+even can't enter playoff

[@Daniel_B_23]

@@oliverhelden Lebron can’t single handily win anything without being traded to the most stacked team in the league to do it. Jordan worked with what he has. Not even a. Discussion. Kobe was even better than Lebron hands down. 5 rings and two of them without shaq. Lebron is weak and will go down in history as a wanna be whiner!

[@thagoff]

this has got to be the best basketball goat debate video ever. kudos man.

[@CarNage64SR]

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[@flxurp]

As a Chicago native, this really hits a part of my heart that doesn’t really get touched. This opened my mind on the GOAT debate.

[@xL3THALityx]

you are easily persuaded,.. 2 words.. six rings.. 3 more.. in a row.

[@Linker_12]

@@xL3THALityx so you. Only care bout rings huh

[@Giona_Medeossi]

@@xL3THALityx he lost in 1995

[@animatedant]

@@xL3THALityx I love seeing these comments. It means they're scared. Lebron is still in the NBA and Noone can doubt he is as good, if not better then he ever has been. Keep holding on MJ fans. But that's it...just hold on. It's not over til it's over.

[@swedishboi3208]

@@animatedant Huh? You think he is still prime?

[@xXserdomiker99Xx]

Excellent work once again, this man has kept me going for the last 4 years. Cheers to the best basketball content on the internet

[@boom6702]

you should make an updated version of this

[@AceTyper]

I remember sometime in the Last Dance Mike had said that he wouldn't play until he had to crawl off the court. He said he would quit while he's still walking which I think definitely helps to your argument, Jimmy. Great vid

[@djakademics1410]

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[@jvjjjvvv9157]

Now consider that Jordan played his final game at the age of 40. Lebron just turned 37.

[@UprightCaucasoid]

@@jvjjjvvv9157 after he retired multiple times. He’s played less seasons already, and still accomplished more

[@gd-lockc7618]

@@UprightCaucasoid in an expansion, man to man defense, non player mobility, less international game.

[@federalfreemoneylackofrese9937]

@@gd-lockc7618 Yep, also with the best team in the league with the best coach. The bulls literally almost made the finals without him. You can never say that about any team ever. Competition is not taken into account here: Jordan will ALWAYS be the goat according to the media. The more competition, the less likely you'll find players so above MJ in stats and accolades even if they are objectively better.

[@martinmi7842]

Seriously, I watched this video multiple times and the ending still gives me chills, its a work of art Jimmy.

[@NBAClient]

what song is this 13:50

[@CoachNick]

Jimmy the GOAT in this kind of creative work for sure

[@mitchellperez23]

Finally someone who explains so clearly what I’ve always struggled to say. Thank you!

[@itzsinsss5751]

@Ludovic Breixo wtf is u on Lmfaooo bye

[@animeking6070]

@Ludovic Breixo In playstyle he’s closer to Magic sure. In greatness he’s cleared magic and is way closer to Mike.

[@titanslammer]

@Ludovic Breixo you're the casual being referred to in the video, congrats goofy

[@Guccimane0713]

@Ludovic Breixo I really believe eras play a big role in Jordan legacy my opinion

[@wishman822]

@Ludovic Breixo I wanna be like Mike

[@rolirolster]

Wanna be considered the GOAT? Become the best, win titles, go and play another sport for a few years and be good at it. Come back and win a few more titles whilst being objectively the best. Jordan GOAT with the stress on the AT. Great video by the way, very interesting take on the debate.

[@JTPhantomz]

Jordan was ass at baseball??

[@uchennanwogu2142]

Whos here after LeBron broke Kareem's scoring record

[@alcoholically4280]

Dam fr??? When was this bro cause that's actually insane in terms of points scored

[@mvmusic3808]

@@alcoholically4280 happened on the 38th day of the year (Feb 7th), he scored 38 points that game, and beat Kareem's record once he scored 38,388 points (a record, by the way, which had been standing for 38 years)....

[@islandsquare]

@@mvmusic3808 and he is 38 years old

[@v0ik4s]

lebron should change his jersey number to 38

[@ashtonramsey386]

Not gonna lie it is impressive but with being that great and spending millions on his body to keep playing and playing 2 decades it would've been crazy to see him not pass Kareem in points but I think by Jordan still being on that top 5 list in points is even more absurd because he only played 14 to 15 years of healthy basketball while still retiring for 2yrs being injury for 2yrs and not being able to a chance to come out of high school and that's 4yrs and that's a total of 8yrs but never the less 14yrs and he is still on that list

[@GreenEnvy.]

Lebron LOST to the Mavs in 2011 and LOST 3 out of 4 NBA Finals to Steph. That's the end of the debate.

[@Kai-77_]

Would MJ go 4-0 with the a injured team against curry ?

[@GreenEnvy.]

@@Kai-77_ MJ would make it interesting. Lebron got SWEPT.

[@WhoisDxo]

@@GreenEnvy.Mj in 1995😢 2003😢

[@GreenEnvy.]

@@WhoisDxo MJ: 6 rings, NO losses. Lebron: 3 rings, 6 losses, mickey mouse ring. Take a seat kid.

[@WhoisDxo]

@@GreenEnvy. old man, mjs competition was so trash that he made the playoffs with a 30-52 record, he also had a proven stat padding for his 1987 dpoy… go take a nap Unc

[@FoulTarnished47]

This video just echos what my own sentiment on the GOAT debate has been for a while. It honestly all depends what you value. If you want an umcomparable prime, and someone who is going to raise the ceiling of a loaded team to make them unstoppable for virtually a full decade, you take Mike. If you want someone who has perhaps a lesser prime, but has been capable of maintaining their prime for virtually their whole career and has raised the floor to championship levels for every franchise he has been at, you choose LeBron. There's no right answer here, it's what you find to be more impressive.

[@computerartist0072]

LeBron won in 2020 because COVID watered down the league. He'll most likely never win again. He just swept.

[@jjab430]

Except LeBron took his teams to higher highs. LeBron's teams from 2016-2021 had a higher net rating with him on the court in the playoffs than the Bulls' best stretch with Jordan on the court from 1991-1996. LeBron also had a higher on/off. He just faced better finals competition and had worse benches.

[@galbornstein3203]

Lol Jordan goat

[@FoulTarnished47]

@@mvpfocus And like clockwork, incomes the Jordan cultist unwilling to admit someone else could be in a league with their God! 🤣 Tell me, ever heard of Rodman, greatest p4p rebounder ever and all-time defender? How about Toni Kukoc, one of the best six men of all-time? Horace Grant, one of the greatest big men of the 90s? How about Steve Kerr, highest 3 point % of all-time? Ron Harper, like 6'7 and one of the best defensive guards of the 90s? Not to mention when Jordan took a hiatus Pippen proved he was a superstar by finishing top 5 in MVP voting. I can keep going, but you get my point. Stop making out like Jordan and his Robin conquered the whole league against all odds in the 90s. The front office done a fantastic job of putting together great teams for Jordan, and for at least 3 of his 6 rings they were easily the most stacked team in the league. There's nothing wrong with it, Jordan was the reason they were great, but just admit the teams were loaded. Despite having bouts where he played with 2 all-stars, LeBron's team has virtually never been far and away the best. Are we forgetting that the 73-9 Warriors went crying to KD to stack the deck against LeBron? Are we forgetting that KG and Ray Allen went to Boston to create a superteam way before LeBron went to Miami? Are we forgetting that the Spurs had 4 HoFers? LeBron never ended up on good teams to stack the deck, he done it to even the odds.

[@jjab430]

@@mvpfocus As if the Bulls didn't win 55 games without Jordan. Here are some names for you: Pippen, Grant, Rodman, Kukoc, Harper. Meanwhile Jordan's peers had role players as second options for basically the entirety of their primes. Olajuwon had nothing but half a season of prime-ish Drexler after Sampson's knees turned to dust. Robinson's running mates were Sean Elliot and Vinnie del Negro. Curry and Durant at least had similarly and more often than not, more stacked teams than LeBron and his "handpicked superteams". But who needs nuance when you've got meaningless buzz words.

[@zsizsi7354]

8:24 to 9:10 is the best way i've ever heard anyone explain the goat debate, and i 100% agree

[@roastmaster1515]

LEBRON ON TOP HE JUST DROPPED 39 TONIGHT

[@tanishtyagi1301]

Stats are great and all, but the intangibles are what breaks open the GOAT debate for me. The story former players tell about MJ are ridiculous in comparison to LeBron or other players. Being the GOAT is about what legend you leave behind. Just my thoughts.

[@PHXNKVHXLIC]

Players are less likely to brag about LeBron when he’s still currently playing. He’ll still be averaging 20-6-6 when he’s 40 though

[@jakeg4309]

@@PHXNKVHXLIC people said that he’ll be retired by the time he’s 35. He could still be averaging 25/7/7 when he’s 40. We can never know

[@eamonnbeahan5611]

Part of what creates that perception is that Lebron is still playing and his legend is still being written. We can't have panels of former players telling stories about what it was like playing against Lebron, because the dude is still playing.

[@robertli6937]

Nice PFP but jordan goat but lebron goat if he like this for 5 more seasons

[@ghstrdio]

The way Jordan commanded attention at the all star game was very telling... All players watching him and going off his ques... It's obvious