K-pop's Obsession With Underground Rap

[@joshbae]

i completely forgot uzi with jeon somi and gfriend 😭

[@jason-ee8cd]

u also forgot abt pink pantheress and that fx song she sampled in the same album

[@chiefbih]

u teaching our kpop besties what pluggnb is really be like good job

[@theory8760]

Music imitates music and the "underground" eventually becomes the mainstream

[@Whitexican1301]

more like artists take inspiration from each other writing their next hit

[@chayo4537]

NO. YOU NON AMERICANS AND FOREIGNERS COPY AND STEAL MUSIC THAT IS NOT YOURS. NOBODY IS OUT HERE MAKING IRISH MUSIC OR ORIENTAL MUSIC

[@BlakkProblems]

Which one

[@themedallist]

K-pop does this with every genre, afrobeats,pop,plugnb, probably dnb next

[@alxmxlx]

what is dnd?

[@themedallist]

@@alxmxlx oh I meant dnb lol

[@HTIOGranka]

DnB has been done, check Bebe Yana who was a member of EvoL. She has DnB beats in most of her tracks.

[@trycheesebread55]

NewJeans also incorporate elements of DnB

[@jiggo145]

there already has been dnb in beats

[@ilovekittiez212]

yo i dont wanna ruin the vibe or the joke but pinkpantheress didnt actually produce loop. orbits (loona fans) are known for making up fake news to promote their artists 😭😭

[@joshbae]

i actually did not know that thank you for informing me 😭🙏

[@kitfifty]

@@joshbae also loona didnt disband 😭 theyre just inactive because they left their old company

[@CoffinNachtmahr]

And that Yeat beat is a distorted copy of the basketball beat from an episode of regular show its a direct copy with hella gain on it

[@hcllostcph]

I don't hate loona fans but DAMN N do they piss me off

[@ilysukiluv]

I’ve learned to never believe an orbit a long time ago 😭

[@nomeansno5481]

The genre that both Yeat’s Breathe and Aespa’s Supernova fall under is called Electroclash by the way.

[@joshbae]

good to know!

[@domejhit3698]

damn shit trash then😭

[@jiggo145]

yes and i wanted to say the songs dont sound similar at all

[@Rr_9991]

Supernova sounds like a geometry dash song ngl

[@koladeac6990]

I'm mostly a rap fan but has recently started listening to some more k-pop and your video really helped me understand why I was so drawn to these k-pop songs. Such a great video!

[@himsamandhimsam]

My take on this as a korean is because Kpop is a business and as a music business you need to understand the music trends to maximize profit. "Wow my favorite idol also fws Ken Carson? She's literally me fr!" No bro she's a figurehead for the companies to milk money off of you within a parasocial relationship. I think there's tons of interesting korean artists like Mid Air Thief, Yaeji, Busker Busker, Beenzino, etc. But big Kpop groups are usually just pawns to a business. That's why the idols are so restricted too. When you are an idol, you are a product for the company. That's my theory at least.

[@cfealzy]

kpop relying on teenage girls around the world that cant connect with their own ppl in the real world is the saddest part abt all this

[@obarich]

Bro just found out kpop stars are slaves

[@unknwngamer1]

u right 💯

[@backtomarzzzz]

i love yaeji

[@hallooos7585]

@@cfealzyIt’s not just teenage girls it also leeches off teenage boys and lonely grown adult men and woman who are weirdly obsessed of boy groups and girl groups that has members consisting of under age members…

[@arcvs.7540]

i think we reached a point in general in music where genres, artists etc... intertwine so much from everywhere in the world that we're slowly starting to break language/cultural barriers so it's very cool to see that. Especially Rap being as big as it is today it declined into many sub-genres, i can hear the hip-hop influence in so many pop songs or artists from widely different genres these days all across the world. Through the beats, the rapping sometimes, the aesthetic, fashion etc...

[@chayo4537]

Around the world? No american music point blank period. Where do you hear irish music or oriental music 😂

[@flippinnngiraffe808]

It’s so big that it’s like a school project 😂

[@jaynycha1705]

@@chayo4537 Black American music in particular.

[@xuan3236]

@@jaynycha1705 definitely not.

[@xuan3236]

@@chayo4537 seems you dont go outside.

[@101angel]

4:40 PinkPantheress is a KPop fan! She loves NCT and cites f(x) as one of her greatest inspirations (f(x) member Sulli in my profile pic). She took "You melt up my body and all my heart" from Ice Cream by f(x) and put it in Another Life. She even made a cover of So Wet by Beenzino (not pop but still)

[@chayo4537]

Kpop is not a genre

[@NABUSIDWOOWOSO]

​@@chayo4537 it is

[@jenielcross4156]

Sulli is death

[@wonders.spedup]

@@jenielcross4156pls shut up

[@strike5685]

Can't wait until we get aespa to hop on jerk beats

[@joshbae]

aespa new jazz 2025

[@strike5685]

@@joshbae it's damn near bound to happen with all them new jazz beats that started popping on tiktok

[@luvvsick1]

god no

[@dhmhtrhs.]

@@luvvsick1 lmao i agree theres a limit to all this 😪😪

[@imokage]

​@@joshbae new jazz is bs ts just yeat rage beats

[@reidei6842]

bro i been deep into kpop lately and didnt know why now I know my tastes overlap kpopium is real

[@jordannelson9765]

All we need is for a kpop group to be on I Am Music and we set

[@juxyboxjoint]

@@jordannelson9765 playboi carti never dropping that a;bum 😔

[@frafraplanner9277]

Same

[@tysonstoe]

if there's anyone who can explain such a niche topic it's you for sure very interesting video man

[@joshbae]

🙏🙏

[@prodUMIT]

wait why is the editing kinda fire

[@bigskii.]

goated video, it's also interesting how there is a new fanbase mixing underground and kpop on social medias that's starting to gain lots of traction. We see a lot of meme page that link the 2 genres, I think of kpopium who's such a fun dude. It's also interesting cause fondamentaly, kpop and underground rap are 2 completely opposed worlds, I guess when the fanbases are delusional and bath in parasocial, it works lmao

[@ratmatat]

Been into underground since forever and ngl ILLIT really got my eye with their production. Hope they drop soon.

[@user-uh8yo8pe5y]

been waiting for someone to dissect kpop instrumentals n u nailed it love this vid sm

[@bolillo5013]

Been loving this series man. Concise, entertaining, informative.

[@joshbae]

glad to hear it

[@BeatsbyVanity]

Another banger man, thank you for your insight!

[@Organized82]

The XXL magazine cover is obviously a reference and homage

[@1donmarco]

twice's song "one spark" has jersey club in the pre-chorus 😂prods snapped

[@Endlessly777]

Loved this video also that beat you made for Glaive was FIRE ASFFF

[@temn11i]

Bro, thank you for the video, I listen to both the underground rap scene and the kpop scene, and I thought I heard one in the other and that I was going crazy, but I’m not the only onthank you for the video, but I’m not the only one

[@chayo4537]

You hear kpop in underground music really?

[@temn11i]

@@chayo4537 On the contrary, the underground in K-pop

[@dyo_x0]

honestly so hyped for this era of producers , even if some of its repetitive , it opens the door for more creativity

[@Mobofddd]

As someone who is also obsessed with underground and kpop, this video was so much fun, and interesting from start to finish 🔥 keep going man youre gonna go big

[@Tamermoga73]

this video is so full of talent great editing, great scripting, crazy you made that glaive beat too, holyy

[@ankh2x]

bro i swear when i listend to deja vu for the first time it dropped i fr thought it sound like underground beat

[@cheap2402]

Literally same, it sounds so much like plugg or cloud rap. I though I was the only one who felt it lol

[@101angel]

Idk why I didn't expect Scars, I've been listening to it so much lately

[@cashfn5690]

if i could indict this video into the hall of fame i would this is so perfect bro

[@joshbae]

🙏

[@badboyhj]

Great video! Young Posse also borrowed part of the song melody from Oliver Francis's ~ AAHYEAHH in their song Skyline.

[@benhurzz]

man we were talking about this topic the other day on discord not knowing you were already working on a vid 😂 great video as always

[@rikumetal]

kpop artists are really inspired by western artists and this just proves it even more 😭 i wonder how THOSE kpop stans feel abt this also great video!

[@joshbae]

both sides are already losing it in the comments 😭🙏

[@TheMarshallDee]

When you say western.... are we using the EA western or the Western Hemisphere western?

[@XXXTENTAClON227]

@@TheMarshallDee what is the difference between?

[@hoa3901]

keep kpop korean mfs 😭

[@rikumetal]

@@TheMarshallDee western hemisphere western

[@zb1enjoyer]

YOUNG POSSE MENTIONED! im so glad you did, theyre actively taking influence from and honoring older hiphop and various rap genres! its a very cool concept :)

[@deadbeat_genius_daydreamer]

Subscribed for the plethora of knowledge and facts behind the scenes. Thanks mate.

[@joshbae]

🙌

[@nsiaquet3645]

pinkpantheress is a known kpop stan and has sampled many kpop songs especially from sment artists.

[@joshbae]

lots of nct

[@chayo4537]

Shes doing it to be ironic. Because you asians and non americans copy everything. Its a schtick

[@XentriaNova]

Carti aura even taking over kpop is crazy 😭😭

[@bxssvdrgn]

Not only do I enjoy this series, but I also love his editing skills. Keep it up, Josh!

[@roseTKz]

I wonder what k pop would think of the underground when they go deeper and hear cloud rap hyperpop sigilkore jerk music etc hearing them on a hi-c beat or funeral beat would be wild too

[@chayo4537]

Damn just take everything!

[@proddxshy]

underrated channel great video mans keep it up

[@LeonardoVila-zo6vs]

Amazing video

[@SVJRBBY]

An amazing video as always, keep it up g

[@joshbae]

🙏

[@ForTheViolence]

Some of those sounds used in Magnetic are almost sampled right out of a Colletta which is a post hardcore band from Atalanta from like 7 years ago. My girl friend listens to K-pop Nonstop, They pretty much borrow from Every Genre of music. They especially love Jersey / Baltimore Club, break beats, and even hear a lot of Japanese city pop and Jpop from the 90s in there like Mflo.

[@manicpixiedust]

i always knew that K-Pop was inspired by Hip-Hop, mainly Trap Music, but this video analysis right here blew my mind. 🍭🐙🌍🎁

[@accipitermagna7104]

NO WAY KPOP IS TAKING INSPIRATION FROM PLUGGNB --- i never thought i would see this day , thats cool ngl

[@jasperval3326]

crazy video man really appreciate your focus on current underground beyond just showing how to make beats or talking about underground beef. new subscriber here

[@joshbae]

🙏

[@ainoyuyunomi]

love how to kpop industries is reaching out more to the underground rap scene. a couple years ago they wouldnt even acknowledge it

[@MA-kb3jd]

This gonna blow up

[@user-it9sr9ge1s]

never thought i'd hear summrs and twice mentioned in the same video. awesome bro great vid

[@joshbae]

😭🙏

[@andrewquinonez9803]

Honestly this makes listening to these new sub genre's so much more fun!! Great vid as always!

[@sillyaris]

interesting video josh keep it up!

[@joshbae]

thanks!

[@AtinsMusic]

Perfect person to make this video. Edited so well and 2 of my favorite genres 🔥

[@JoJoe1]

THIS VIDEO IS SO UNBELIEVEABLY FIRE ONG

[@chapel4]

this is my favourite genre blend, thanks for putting me on some new kpop songs

[@tbagowens9346]

First Memphis horrorcore, then trap/trillwave/cloud rap, then pluggnb/rage and a few others I might have forgotten to mention and here we are now with k-pop doing something similar. Boy how time flies by.

[@darrenpai1279]

popped on my feed josh

[@joshbae]

😭

[@landon1136]

Very informative Josh Bae!

[@joshbae]

😭

[@conradsmith9441]

I love your videos. This stuff is super interesting. I am a jazz musician and I absolutely love songs that take inspiration from jazz. I got into kpop a few years ago when I heard Newjeans. I decided I'd give kpop a chance because I am too open-minded not to. I started wondering how most songs I was hearing were so different, interesting, and good. I thought kpop was just cutesy girls dancing around singing silly feel good songs with little complexity. I was so wrong. kpop is likely one of the most cultured and complex of all the genres. Seeing Jazz musicians I respect like Jacob Collier and many others have helped me to truly see the beauty of kpop.

[@kutsilyon2317]

My goat is back posting 🔥

[@1jahvi]

love a new josh vid

[@sohsleepy]

this is the best youtube video ive watched in a long time

[@saftheartist6137]

Amazing video!! 👏

[@ternedo6074]

4:54 is actually an immaculate lineup to watch Ken is a real music enjoyer

[@101angel]

XG and Young Posse are very rap and hh inspired in general too

[@akashmiddya1605]

Amazing video thank you

[@fearnot_jeans]

I can't wait for K-Pop to be original and stop going from genres to genres without even giving proper credits or where the genres come from. It really make them look like brats who are given a song that is meant to be viral, and we can't see their artistry. Especially since those songs aren't meant for them, they use a lot of techniques to make people think they really know how sing when they don't in this genre and also copy every single song to make a new one so people won't catch them copying. 1st Gen was obsessed with Western/Afro American Groups such as NSYNC, B2K, BACKSTREETBOYS, TLC, Destiny child and even got lawsuits for "inspiration" that turned out plagiarism with a lot of cultural appropriation. The second gen was copying the J-Pop industry and the Y2K like Britney Spears and Disney Channel. 3rd Gen was copying RNB artists like Tinashe and got away with it and also tried to be Latinos. Now, 4th Gen either want to make Amapiano or Afro mixing both or jump on tiktok music with Hyperpop, Pluggnb, Uk Garage, DNB, and House... like- I mean those are genres of music, and everyone can make music, but they don't give proper credits, pass as those who created it, and most of them are racist and materialistic.

[@00drowsyaf]

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[@chicodepollo5403]

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[@ransaerom]

"without giving proper credits" what the hell are they supposed to do lmao

[@selenaflows]

k-pop is Not a genre, it’s an industry. and any music industry will contain a variety of genres. or else there is no music. hope this helps!

[@fearnot_jeans]

@selenaflows whether you like it or not, K-Pop is a genre. Because there is literally K-Rnb that gives credits to Rnb artists while K-Pop is just taking that to put in an album.

[@nolanchen7236]

This guy is so sugoi, wish i could live with him...

[@gibbalisious]

wow i love that glaive song!

[@effortless4588]

Subscribed bro, finna put me on to kpop fr

[@itspchu]

videos are amazing man

[@powfh]

omg i love that glaive song i had no clue you produced that beat

[@camiifu]

this one of my fav trends to pop up recently lmaoo

[@prodtayga]

I love the documentation on ts❤

[@nahema9079]

omg yes i was saying magnetic sounds like a kpop pluggnb mix

[@selenaflows]

fun fact if i remember correctly namjoon posted a bladee song on insta not that long ago (but it isn’t that surprising coming from him honestly he rly listens to everything)

[@cheap2402]

Wait no way 😭 that’s why bts rap line are the best ever

[@dizzynewts584]

Now i understand why i like certain kpop song

[@CriticalOppss]

cant wait for that opium kpop collab tape 🙏🙏

[@NCFomen]

观看一部影片By music producer观感丝滑得不行 PS：提一句整个影片表现出来的概念成熟度非常高，absolutely brilliant work🧠

[@effortless4588]

Dang the beat you made is fire 😂

[@hostagelolxd]

bro put lucki ken lone yeat and amiri in the pic when he said underground😭

[@Akhin-zx]

underground graduates

[@prettiestdolly]

Bro😭

[@camiifu]

this a really well made video 🤝

[@Sumi.Sol.999]

Honest to god came for beats found out about beats and underground rap and Kpop thanks josh hope to make a good song that’s on par with some of these greats

[@ぴゃぅおん]

I'm very interested in these genres, but I'm in trouble because there is not much information in Japan. Thank you!

[@mnenravitsa5258]

Today K-pop sounds like plagiarism, old K-pop remains in the 3rd generation, all there is now is imitation, these songs for tiktok are fast music with beautiful pictures. I don't stay on these videos for long, they don't hook me, I don't need to listen to a copy when there are original talents like the Pink Panther. The original message of K-pop was high-level vocals with incredible charisma on stage. Now all I see is beats and a clear lack of personality. You say that the New Pants are geniuses, but they are just hype, a real success for many years in the talent and versatility of the performer.

[@usermsl]

said a whole bunch of nothing

[@nafisamaliat5773]

This is straight up hate towards newjeans

[@mnenravitsa5258]

@@nafisamaliat5773 держи в курсе

[@cheap2402]

New Pants 😭

[@dantekiwi7926]

asians have a thing for having the most vague genres of music while at the same time making the most diverse mix of sounds haha its amazing. its insane to me how kpop has so much going in it but it gets all reduced to a single name, its like vocaloid where everything can range from the most simple lightheaded pop song to the most experimental track youve ever heard in your life its soo cool.

[@AlchemistJackYT]

Nice to meet you is the best pinkpantheress song fr

[@thelias91]

I recently discovered that a famous french rap beat maker (Nardey) made a collab with my favorite Hong Kong singer (Chanka), that’s crazy.

[@myriq]

fye ass video as always

[@lushbIood]

this is a prime example of either camp reacting negatively to the other while excluding the vocals which are admittedly a huge factor, they're listening to the same tracks.

[@bhaddietaee5721]

i love this video because its like my favorite music genres clashing in some of the best (and funniest) ways ever.

[@simonfidlin6813]

No way you produced for Glaive that’s sick

[@bokc_ellis]

i dont listen at kpop at all but i do repsect they listen to rap. I hope they collaborate with thizzler rappers because they are underrated

[@elib5342]

You’re my producing bae

[@user-kl8om9su3c]

Just a correction for 5:18 -- PinkPantheress didn't actually co-produce the song, that was just a rumour fabricated by Yves' fans (Orbits) to promote the song. Pink isn't in the production credits anywhere, just to corroborate its falsity Otherwise this video's full of so much cool info and insight, draws so many cool connections between these disparate (but now intermingling) sonic realms. I guess k-pop has always been a reflection of Western pop and growing Western genres, but looking back on previous generations of groups it seems like there was a bit more of a distinct identity to the k-pop sound other than the Korean chants and lyrics. Now it's quite blatantly derivative, there's hella crossover, which is dope

[@Rhenkei]

I mean this isn’t too crazy since kpop already is influenced by rap and the ug is generally where new/popular sounds come from. I wouldn’t be surprised if the producers of kpop songs are tapped in with the ug.

[@prod.attalus]

as a massive glaive fan the last thing I expected to see when opening the video was ovine hall

[@Twicepunk]

I mix my kpop playlist wit sum underground tracks they mix perfectly

[@Hxgey]

Lone was also seen at a K-pop concert

[@dn2269]

which group

[@jackjay2812]

I honestly see this as a cultural W 🤝

[@JakeJones19]

i'm glad u mentioned it's not pluggnb 1:40 i was gon say bro

[@andreesteves2]

Nice video!