Best OYW GM and When They Got Better Than The RX-78-2 Gundam [Question of the Week]

[@kakarot197]

Damnit, I wanna buy more GM Strikers now

[@thornestark4521]

What would you pilot a gm constom or the always balcky zaku 3

[@jordan_ys]

Gm Striker Custom would be better.

[@deltawave97]

Kakarot197 for some reason I have the affect of causing people to buy more GMs. Nice to see I can do that in KZbin as well. Also thank you so much. I’m very honored.

[@thornestark4521]

Why did the titans replace the gm Quayle with the outdated gm 2

[@genesicAura]

Is there a reason why they didn’t mass produce those powered GM in 0083? Those backpacks are actually pretty good in terms of thrust power and mobility and yeah I understand some were blown up during the Gundam Jack incident but still it seems like a simple GM outfitted with a backpack.

[@Crossbone_Vanguard]

The Gundam seemed invincible but many people forget that Ramba's wife was one Magella shot away from blasting it in half.

[@phi6221]

Honestly Ramba Ral had a good chance defeating the Gundam if you ask me.

[@MesaAufenhand]

If only.mquve just gave him his goddamn doms

[@doctorx0079]

We're jumping onto White Base!! AAAAAAAAAA

[@doctorx0079]

Ryu Jose Battle Cry (TM)

[@letthebasscannon223]

@@MesaAufenhand Gihren's Greed actually lets you give Ramba his doms, if you do so he'll capture the White Base and it's crew succesfully (although Amuro manages to escape with the Gundam)

[@Demightyripcord]

Wow. I didn't expect quite such a deep, and interesting answer to my question. Also, cheers on getting the name right.

[@AverageAwesomeDude]

Come on u got a famous name even tho it’s before my time I know sinistar thanks to the Dresden files novels

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

GMs: The Sherman tanks of Gundam

[@KellPerEX]

Depends on country and what exactly you mean with such reference. USSR (yes, i'm from russia) has much wider and more rich history of ground armored forces/tanks, which together with insane amount of variants and modifications puts USSR to #1 spot for such role. Just go look for T-55 and T-72, two most produced and most worldwide used tanks of planet (post WW2 era ofc)

[@aaronluisdelacruz4212]

Both the US and the Soviet produce their armored vehicles with the same philosophy in mind. That is to save as much resources as possible, that is why they used the Chassis of the tanks they fielded the most the Shermans for the Americans and the T-34 for the Soviet. The US' example of this is the Wolverine tank destroyer and the M12 self propelled gun and the Soviet KV-1 and the IS-1 tanks That's probably what he meant

[@riptors9777]

@@aaronluisdelacruz4212 The KV-1 was a stopgap tank thought and had nothing in common with the t-34.. infact the KV line was completly halted in favour of the t-34 because it was an overall better package of speed, firepower and protection. (Though the KV-1 was a real eye opener so to speak for the nazis when they first encountered it and it turned out to be allmost immune to their small tank guns on their 3s and 4s, and then the t-34 ontop of that directly lead to the development of the tiger and panther, kinda what happened with zeon developing the DOM and Gelgoog)

[@jude0985]

@@KellPerEX i think he meant it as a cost affective unit

[@barrybend7189]

@@aaronluisdelacruz4212 actually with the Sherman and derivatives the philosophy was a reliable machine that can be repaired in field. The T-34 was the machine of the moment.

[@SeekerLancer]

Yeah, the RX-78-2 by the time of the Gryps Conflict would have been just as cannon fodder as the GM II. The Gundam's legend greatly exceeds its actual ability and that's mostly thanks to Amuro and how much of a shock its heavy armor and beam weaponry was at the point of the war in which it was introduced.

[@zacharyradford5552]

The Gundams legend perfectly fits. It’s natural that technology advances far beyond a test type mobile suit.

[@midgetydeath]

It's armor would make up for quite a lot, though.

[@infinitesheldon5710]

@@midgetydeath Its armor didn't really provide any protection against beam weaponry. Helpful against stuff like vulcans or machine gun fire, but as stuff like beam rifles, beam sabers, ect. became standardized in mobile suits, the RX-78-2's armor kinda falls off hard. Add to that it's limited mobility compared to later mobile suits, and honestly the OG Gundam truly is just an outdated piece of junk even just five years after its introduction.

[@lunargear9921]

The RX-78-2 Gundam also desperately needed a computer upgrade along with the magnetic coating. As Armuro piloting skill were so quick the computer couldn't catch up. The end result him replacing burned chips/board and salvaging them when he didn't have replacements .

[@scumbagbenis8762]

the g-3 Gundam would have been cool to see in the original 79 show instead of just magnetic joints or whatever

[@cord5355]

@@scumbagbenis8762 well, drab colors don't sell toys. What kid prefers g3's gray and blue over g2"s tricolore?

[@mlo009]

@@cord5355 They could have repainted a g-3 similar to the color schemes of RX-78-2; or a slight colour change to sell more toys.

[@robertharris6092]

Its fun seeing old, late 20th century IPs underestimate how fast computers would advance.

[@riblo72]

In fact Tomino stated that the original plan was to give Amuro a better machine but when the series was cut down from 52 episodes to 39 the staff convinced Sunrise to give them 4 more episodes to close the story so they kept Amuro in RX-78-2 If the series was 52 episodes long they would have 13 episodes more to give Amuro a new machine for the last battles of the OYW This was seen in 0080 where the justified this with the Alex being damaged and thus not available for Amuro in time In the Origin manga they followed Amuro having only the RX-78-2 but they introduced three different steps of evolution of the machine so it was always at the state of the art while the war was progressing

[@RedCometNurse]

Dear Bandai, Make a Master Grade GM Striker. XOXO, Troy GM Sniper II was deployed on Earth as well, and I think it would give the GM Striker a run for its money.

[@thyrandomaznable8477]

The striker custom from Gundam katana (based of the gm striker) is LIT and has some of the coolest weapons I've seen in UC

[@AjaxJP]

Demon Blade mode is such a crazy addition too

[@セータン]

I read those and it was so dumb I couldn't take it.

[@leolied6766]

Yeah the desgin is pretty cool.

[@thyrandomaznable8477]

@@セータン well its kinda true that the characters are kinda weird but man the fight scenes and the portrayal of the striker custom is badass until it got his ass handed to him and was decapitated

[@gravefox4206]

i hate the striker custom in GBO2 ppl fucken Ham with that thing to much >.

[@vustvaleo8068]

the GM's that escaped its fate as cannon fodder and pierce the heavens, ROW-ROW FIGHT THE POWAH!!

[@oatmealraisincookiesaregar2548]

DO THE IMPOSSIBLE SEE THE INVISIBLE

[@rextheultimatepotato9209]

@@oatmealraisincookiesaregar2548 ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH

[@whitewing2]

Remember that time when Sayla hijacked the Gundam and got her ass kicked and Amuro in a Guncannon saved her and kick everyone's ass, except Ramba Ral also give GM II a learning computer, magnetic coated joints and Lunar Titanium Armor and it will be far supperior to the RX78

[@DatCheese]

If youre already inside Anaheim's pantry, why not go salmon buffet and put every psychoframes you could find on it.

[@zettovii1367]

Just wish we could have seen more feats from it. It only seems better than the Gubdam in paper, but it gets crapped on about as much as the original GM, if not worse. Especially not since the battles have generally stuck in the same scale as in OYW.

[@teddydayoooo]

@@DatCheese dont you need to be a newtype for those psychoframes to work?

[@zerolifez]

@@DatCheese Like Heavy Gundam of Ingrid 0. The thing is updated mechanically and also given Biosensor and Psycommu making it such a beast even on post ZZ era. And the fact that Johnny Ridden can fight it in equal terms in his updated Gelgoog High Mobility Type really speaks volume to his skills.

[@marcosdheleno]

pretty sure every suit after the war received magnetic coating, as it really improved maintenance cost, as well as performance.

[@grotesquepassions4384]

Something people need to consider when asking these questions is that when the various gundam series got released, they weren't always keeping Mobile Suit specs in mind to be appropriate for the One Year War era. Case in point: The Gelgoog Jaeger had ridiculous specs that even surpassed the high mobility type, and dozens of mobile suits that wouldn't be fielded until the Gryps Conflict or even the Neo Zeon War, which is just stupid altogether. That said, on paper, the GMs technically already surpassed the Gundam because they had the same thrust power, but were lighter in weight.

[@MuShinnen]

Being lighter in weight came with the caveat of not having nearly the same durability. Coupled with lower powered weapons, they were just under the gundam's performance pound for pound.

[@grotesquepassions4384]

@@MuShinnen Yeah, I did forget to mention that.

[@limcw6092]

GMs sadly suffer from "we are only used to make the main character's suit look strong", because you know, Zeon suit model kits sell well

[@jakealter5504]

The GM Custom performed pretty well

[@arx3516]

The GMs are literally red shirts!

[@jakealter5504]

@@arx3516 only the main line gms, the qwel and custom are definitely not red shirts

[@billythenarwhal1579]

Well that's cause Zeon suits lookk good.

[@laylahoang]

@@billythenarwhal1579all suits look good but its people's preference

[@tomhuynh3867]

Amuro in gundam origin barely survived against Char’s zgok during the jaburo attack. Amuro noted the performance difference especially reaction input .

[@jonatassilva2605]

Origin is a different continuity thou.

[@DIEGhostfish]

@Diamond colony647 It is but it's a different continuity still.

[@riblo72]

@Diamond colony647 yes. the manga did it. the OAV not (it just ends at the start of the original anime 0079)

[@mondobizarrro5468]

How much of an improvement was the nemo compared to the GM ii and could the hizack custom and or the barzam surpass the nemo or was it about the same level/weaker than the nemo

[@yaozzer]

Simply put, Nemo out performs both GMII and Hizack custom. As for Barzam, it was suppose to be Titan's replacment for all of their grunt suit. I would imagine Barzam to be slightly stronger than Nemo, because it was manufactured later in the UC time line, hence the Titan's had more time to incorprate better technology into Barzam.

[@riptors9777]

@@yaozzer Going by numbers alone the barzam has a slight advantage over the nemo. The nemo thought has an additional pair of thrusters in its legs potentially making it more deadly in close combat due to the added maneuverability and the nemo is a whopping 7 tons lighter then the barzam wich might give it an advantage in reaction time combined with the leg thrusters that the barzam lacks. This would make for quite the even matchup all things considered.

[@TheKing-qz9wd]

Barzam probably shouldn't be mentioned here. Nemo? Eh, I think Nemo and GM3 *might* be comparable to one another, but Nemo and GM2 isn't much worth a discussion.

[@TheKing-qz9wd]

@@riptors9777 Well if we're going by a little bit of pilot's tom-foolery, then what's stopping the Barzam from just running outside of the Nemo's beam sabers, forcing the fight to be ranged?

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

Why was the Nemo never really upgraded?

[@JTMC93]

A note. The GM II was chosen in 0080 or 0081. And only because of price not performance. It is said to have only been an incremental upgrade to the GM. The GM Quel is a superior machine to the GM II but was, depending on the source, almost twice the cost of a GM II. And technically was made after the GM II. (Think of them as two different upgrade paths for the same MS design.) Edit: The Nemo is probably the most guaranteed MP MS to beat the RX-78-2 given it was used before they widely adopted the GM III.

[@Marisa_arts]

I have a couple: 1. What was the most underrated Mobile Suit during and even after the One Year War? From both Zeon and EFF. Just for good measure, even an overrated MS. 2. How much would the final battle of A Boaque have changed if Amuro had gotten the RX-78NT1 Gundam ALEX earlier as planned by the EFF or if Amuro had the time and chance to upgrade the RX-78-2 Gundam to match his skills and abilities at the time? 3. Do you believe that Amuro and Char were holding back their skills in Zeta? I know Amuro is a bit rusty but have been training new recruits in MS combat, but Char? 4. You think the beam weapons during Victory and Crossbone Gundam are far to powerful than anyone expects it to be that it damages the Gundarium/Luna Titanium armor of the Mobile Suits easily since they haven't updated the armor resistance or is it that they are using the alpha version of Gundarium for mass-production?

[@lokix19azxc13]

4) The later beam weapons might not be more power in terms of output, but due to smaller and more powerful reactor, they are able to utilize more efficient weapons like VSBR whom is able to penetrate beam shield and there are beam weapons that have the capability to overwhelm the I-field (Crossbone gundam Ghost), in which would render the Gundarium alpha useless.

[@marcosdheleno]

1) the Gyan, the goulf could be here, but since it did get some special custom builds, we cant really call it underrated. 2)possibly not much, sure, he would get a massive upgrade in both reaction time and speed, but at the end of the day, the Gundam's biggest contribution(in that battle) was taking out the Zeong. and because he wouldnt have that much time to fine tune it, nor get used to it, he would mostly do the same(or, he might've even underperformed slightly). 3)i dont think they were holding back, specially char. amuro was jadded, he had no desire to fight, and only did so because he felt there was no other way. if anything, there wasnt really a need to go "all out" for him. 4)beam weapon technology is weird in late UC. visually it acts virtually the same, throughout the multiple series, with only that weird "magic coating" that made the older model useless in mid zeta to actually change something. its very possible that, those weapons are more powerful, but not by a massive margin, if anything, only the beam magnum from unicorn and the VSBR could be described as trully more powerfull.

[@ShimodaNexus]

That question about the Alex has bothered me for a few years. I'd be interested in learning the answer to that.

[@justnoob8141]

Define “overrated” because both Zaku and GM are fitting those list despite not actually fit in your mind

[@Tai_Jaiger]

I’m not sure I wouldn’t take a Thunderbolt GM for space instead of the Sniper 2 or custom. In the manga they had a slightly smaller version of the double beam rifle, extra shields for cover, a pretty powerful backpack from what I can tell, and the had a core block system.

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

Thunderbolt is an AU so he's only using GMs from the ORIGINAL UC timeline.

[@solari71]

yeah, thunderbolt screws with tech-levels too much for me to consider it part of mainline-UC. still dig the psyco-zaku and acguys tho.

[@henryfleischer404]

@@solari71Yeah, I really like the psycho-zaku. The giant engines and fuel tanks make it's maneuverability not feel out of place in the OYW.

[@joseserapioiv9737]

I like it how you low-key place your "next kit to be reviewed" in the background of your question of the week vids. Looking forward to that HG Gundam Mk-II with Flying Armor. 😁

[@azizabdul8914]

Why Anaheim trying hard to MPing Zeta Gundam so much?

[@user-ir1xo9jp8w]

It was just too good, ok?

[@odd-ov4gf]

Wave rider mode

[@TheHiddenBoss]

A masterpiece Gundam with perfect balance, excellent speed, solid arsenal, plenty of power, versatility in all ranges, and the ability to transform into an equally powerful fighter jet? No way is anyone gonna see that technological marvel of a MS and sleep on it. Should also mention the person who drew up the plans (Kamille of all people) didn’t even realize how much of a genius he was at coming up with such a design even though he only made the plans out of just for funsies during free time.

[@danielchew8739]

@@TheHiddenBoss Mass producing the Zeta Gundam will always going to be a balancing act, trying to retain as much advantage of the Zeta Gundam as humanly possible while at the same time keeping the cost down. Which is why it took so many attempts to finally get it right in the form of the ReZEL.

[@zakhaevshub4735]

@@danielchew8739 yes U're right, especially the ReZel developed from ZII+Methuss with Jegan internal frame...

[@mysteriesmercenary615]

Here's one. By the end MS Igloo the Hildalfor was abandoned in the dessert. Did anyone ever find it or is it still rusting away out there?

[@thomas_mafty_haha]

Well after all these years Code Fairy has an answer for that

[@DeimosXVX]

I think GM's got some love in the PSP Gundam Battle series. I'm sure either the regular and/or WD GM Sniper 2 was able to switch between multiple weapons.

[@savagemaelstrom9645]

The regular only had the rifle, the WD one had a bazooka and MG but its rifle had reduced ammo as a balance mechanic.

[@andrebarbosa224]

Great grunt suit comparison! You should do a video comparing and contrasting different grunt suit rivalries. GM and Zaku, Nemo and Marasai, Jegan and Geara Doga.

[@FandomWithReploidBill]

Hey man been watching your videos on and off for a while now. Love the amount of knowledge you have and the obvious passion you possess for the material. It's nice to see you on cam finally.

[@alexandertampubolon5842]

talking about mobile suits never been this detail and realistic, you make the talks is just like comparing various bikes. Great job 👏

[@DrZark]

I was just watching the Zaku II Development History video.

[@DrZark]

Could we also get a picture of that awesome stand with all the other pictures/posters.

[@HeadCannonPrime]

The RX-78-2 itself wasn't really all that spectacular EXCEPT for the armor and the weaponry. Otherwise it was basically just a hand built GM with extra software. It was 50% newtype pilot skill and 20% better armor than anything (on both sides) and 30% better weapons that saved it. It also had the luxury of being the first mobile suit able to carry all beam weaponry for greater than half its existence. You can do A LOT of damage if the most common weapon in the field can barely hurt you at point blank range and you can one shot just about anything. If Char had pressed his physical attack the first time they met, he would have turned Amuro into jelly inside the cockpit just from physical pummeling.

[@ariancontreras4358]

Don't forget the learning computer. It had good mobility for a one year war mobile suit. The main problem with the GM II was no learning computer and cheap armor. Performance wise mobility and weaponry were probably about the same.

[@marcosdheleno]

@@ariancontreras4358 i still belive the gm II could be suffering from rushed design. because it was "on paper" strong doesnt mean it could perform that well under stress. if anything, what we see is a machine that clearly underperforms, and it cant be the armor, since, lets be honest, most of the time, a single shot would take any unit out anyway...

[@trollinoakenshield9822]

@@marcosdheleno GM II is outdated at the beginning of Z, they also battle rick diaz which is slightly better than gundam MKII but less agile

[@itsgrey8135]

It looked alright( ._.)

[@周生生-f1f]

Well the GM isn't called Gundam Mass production for no reason, it is one of the first prototype machines made that was served as the basis of the mass production version and it's only reasonable for it to be too redundant or not as streamlined in design

[@jude0985]

tq quarantine for giving this man his time needed for making a video like this

[@cecilsmith2061]

I just saw Episode 31, and I really have to agree with your statement on how luck played a part on it's performance during the One Year War. Amuro passes out after latching onto a Bigro due to it's sudden acceleration, and wakes up moments after to take it down after it grabs him and tries to finish him off.

[@youngheero]

Dude this is perfect and the title is exactly what question was running through my mind. Long live Gundam.

[@deltawave97]

I guess with how we get to see each suit it really makes use forget that how mobile suits have progressed over time from the OYW. Which it’s good to see the GM II in a more positive light.

[@anzaca1]

The GM IIs we see likely had rookie pilots, who had never been in combat before.

[@true_neutral3378]

@@anzaca1 The ones from the first episode of Zeta were OYW vets

[@barrybend7189]

So its like a Gloster Gladiator vs ME-103.

[@asadler43]

Good honourable mention for the g lines as there were basically mass produced gundams. And with the full custom it was most likely stronger the the og gundam

[@commissarstanley3055]

The real reason the original seemed so good was because it was produced using experimental plot armor. But then again who can complain :) gundam rx78-2 was awesome

[@arx3516]

Not so experimental after all... a teen that falls into the cockpit of a super powerful mech built by a relative, where did i hear that before? Cough cough... Mazinger Z.. cough...

[@tomvhresvelg9286]

ARX 351 How about Getter? Fat Samurai boy here was quite interesting.

[@marcosdheleno]

@@tomvhresvelg9286 sure, but mazinger z is the original god mech.

[@nedinnis6752]

@@arx3516 So invincible, the enemy had to get creative about defeating the pilot instead of the suit

[@arx3516]

@@tomvhresvelg9286 the Guntank is basically the mass produced version of the Getter 3!

[@Corvoreviews]

well, in gundam battle operation 2 they introduced the GM striker kai, yes a variant of the GM striker (changes nothing actually) wich can be used in space

[@reeseolsen4052]

I mean it has the sabers we also see with the Striker Custom so at most I'd say it got a minor touch-up to its backpack for those. But otherwise yeah not much beyond something in universe like an air tight cockpit perhaps.

[@TheWarriorsFromHell]

@6:40 whoa whoa. The RGM-79N was meant for mass production, it did enter limited production. and though its a percussor to the RGM-79Q, at the end of 0083 during the ending credits, with scenes of the titans forming, several RMG-79N's in titan colors are seen being unloaded. later during the Gryps conflict the AEUG used both RGM-79Ns and RGM-79Qs to fill gaps of having access to mass production of new suits.

[@matthewvillarde5601]

Finally mah boi GM2 Gets some love!

[@WarhawkLieutenent]

love the gm ii. it is easily my favorite mass produced MS tied with the nemo. the desert color really kicks it up a notch in aesthetics also

[@sorebeick1064]

On the GM II thing, I'm willing to bet it was a successor to the Quel because of two things called the cost cutting and graft.

[@zyemionzsglobalconcerns]

Thanks gm sniper 2 is my fav gm great topics nice rock on 💫

[@user-ir1xo9jp8w]

But... But.. GM Command...!

[@theskipper7305]

I'm pretty sure the GM Command was really just a souped up GM "1" that was closer in line with what the original GM's specs were supposed to be as a Mass produced version of the RX-78-2. So it was still weaker than the Gundam.

[@zettovii1367]

@@theskipper7305 Aren't the Ground type Gundams the true massproduced Gundam tho? Always felt that the GM is more like a watered down sister unit than a direct MP Gundam.

[@theskipper7305]

@@zettovii1367 actually the Gundam Ground Types were just a cobble together ground mobile suit made with left over parts from Project V combined with parts of the Ground GM. That what allows the Ground Gundams to use the [G] GM's weapons and parts to repair. The original GM as we know it in the first series was a mass produced version of the RX-78-2 that was watered down HEAVILY from the intended specs to manufacture and ship out in droves in preparation for i believe the Battle of Solomon (if i remember correctly this is the first time we see them) with the GM Command being made for higher rank, experienced Pilots, with its performance being more in line with what was intended for the RGM-79 GM if production hadn't been rushed.

[@zettovii1367]

@@theskipper7305 Well, considering that mass produced units are generally supposed to be just like the orignal, the Gundam Ground Types are more like a direct MP precisly because they use the Gundam's parts. The GM, altough practically taking the role as gundams for grunts, are still different enough to be considered another mobile suit on it's own. So, it can't really be considered MP gundams when they are not even considered to be gundams.

[@yaozzer]

Love your vids Kakarot197. You have some of the most detailed explanation. Also here's my question: When did SNRI become EFF's main supplier (or when was the downfall of Anahaim Electronics). I have some ideas, but would like to see your take on this. Thanks!!

[@reachdefender1]

Kakarot197 Question: What is the technology difference between Universal Century, Cosmic Era, Anno Domini, After War, After Colony, Advance Generation and does the technology UC stack up to CE, AD, AW, AC, AG?

[@stephensu4371]

one question following this question，how does CE fission reactor comes up got more power then UC fusion reactor。Or let me ask other question if last question is very hard to answer， in CE world， they can got ships to equ. with fusion reactor， why they just dont put the mini fusion reactor into the mobile suit then they dosent need to due with all those problems with jammer canceller（include the one kira shut down the reactor/canceller in one second in the battle with shinn）

[@周生生-f1f]

@@stephensu4371 No reason other than because these series are designed by different people. As for why CE doesn't have fusion reactors, they didn't manage to minimize it into mobile suit sized and is stuck with batteries until the advent of the NJ Canceller allowing fission reactors to be used, and they have enough technology to miniaturize them into mobile suits.

[@gravefox4206]

@@stephensu4371 SEED also follows Nuclear power more then UC in UC the fusion reactors were possible cause of the Minovsky Particle in CE timeline no such thing exsists only classic Nuclear Power the N-Jammer was made by ZAFT after the nuking of one of the Plants to prevent the ear from being able to use Nuclear strikes again. the Njammer canceler changed all that.

[@marcosdheleno]

@@stephensu4371 i still defend that, the suits in seed are actually REALLY underpowered compared with UC. with, at most, the freedom being equivalent to the zeta in power output. the diference would be in design. kinda like how the chinese invented gunpowder, but it was only after the middle east got their hands on it that guns became a thing.

[@billyperez4748]

great vid dude. very informative.. gotta love UC mass produce units

[@gundanium3126]

also the GM II was being upgraded into the GM-III which had a speed advantage over the first production run of the Jegans.

[@KionKamon]

You know, I’d even say that the GM ground type was a pretty good mass produced machine, even though it like the Gundam ground type were built using spare RX-78 parts. The the ground type GM had arguably the best armor of all the standard GMs that were fielded in the One Year War. However I’m not sure how it stacks up stat-wise to the RX-78-2 Gundam.

[@zacharyradford5552]

The RX-78-2 was black card status of the OYW for the Federation. I wouldn’t say a GM started to touch the RX-78-2 till around the Gryps conflict.

[@KionKamon]

@@zacharyradford5552 even though the GM Sniper II was confirmed to be as powerful as the RX-78-2 on paper at least? Which was a OYW machine if I remember correctly

[@barrybend7189]

The GM 2 was better than the RX-78 but its not a good MS in its time. Like the Gloster Gladiator during WW2.

[@burtrolla]

I literally just got and built my own GM striker 3 days ago. Mostly for the twin beam spear for a Jesta, but he's honestly an awesome little guy with his machine gun and pilebunker shield.

[@gravefox4206]

im actually planning on my own custom Striker i wanna call the Command Striker im going to incorperate the Gundam Zabanyas weapon binders and parts of the GM Custom and GM Sniper 2

[@gsm1091]

I think another thing to keep in mind during these comparisons are armor materials. The GM II and GM Custom have Titanium alloy ceramic composite armor as opposed to the Gundam's Luna Titanium alloy. I know I doesn't matter as much when beam weapons are the main weapon used on the battlefield, but against enemies using solid-ammo weapons, it makes a big difference.

[@justalurker3489]

Apparently the GM ground type from 08th MS Team actually has Luna Titanium alloy armor, but that was a limited production unit and couldn't be used in space

[@j.dzafft1663]

See your face to the voice really throws me off.... for years!! I gave your voice to the adult version of chucky from rugrats. but glad to see your face my dude!

[@VacadoRay]

0:14 first time I've seen your face but u look like you would fit into the gundam universe like the hair and face

[@theskipper7305]

Io Fleming but with a nice personality?

[@paklong831]

More like kind hearted jerrit messah

[@MasterArchfiend]

Serious question, or as series as one can be when discussing the lore of a franchise revolving around giant mechs and people making massive evolutionary leaps over the course of two or three generations. Are there any sources that delve into groups akin to The Kurds in MSG? Nomadic groups, stuff along that line. Do they exist? Are they involved in the conflicts? Do they get support like Mobile Suits? It doesn't have to be UC if that helps you or anyone who sees this and cares to tell me some sort of an amswer. If you answer, then thank you. If not, then I still thank you because I love your videos, especially the Gundam Lore as you bring to light so many things that I have never even heard of.

[@eisenklad]

i think there are variants of the GMII. which created such a great dissonance with listed specs and those that are on the field. first is the upgraded GM, during Stardust most GM type c/kai got destroyed. so instead of mothballing the surplus GM from the OYW, they rapidly pushed for retrofit plan and Anaheim agreed for some concessions. Anaheim probably submitted the GMII plan before stardust, these are built from the ground up and are the true GM II spec wise. thus there was 2 models number. that's why at the start of zeta gundam the GMII pilot said it was an antique, he knew his machine was an upgraded GM. monocoque designs mean that whatever tech has to fit the shell, the upgrades for the GM to GMII specs meant that some corners were probably cut to use the abundant GM units. probably using lower spec parts to use the same mountings without having the machine slowly shake itself apart from rated output of true GMII. the overall skills of the pilots also suffered due to stardust, since it was their main pilots attending that "parade" at solomon/konpeito. which meant most OYW veterans died and the remaining ones that appeared in Zeta are the reserves. those that didnt die at konpeito parade most likely joined the titans. so the general federation pilot skill pool diminished even further.

[@Kenjis9965]

I see the GMII as the point when the AVERAGE mass produced MS caught up to the Gundam in performance. Iirc the Gelgoog was considered on par with the RX-78-2. The GM Custom and Quel were certainly better but they were expensive and meant for smaller units of ace pilots. The Federation has a pretty big military from what I've seen and they certainly need a lot of units just simply to cover the amount of territory the Federation has to cover and even with their economy they probably can't afford to mass equip everyone with GM Customs, add to that the likely military budget cuts at the wind down of the OYW and I'd imagine large numbers of classic GMs of various forms were still serving up to Gryps almost.

[@mediocremason]

Just built myself a GM STRIKER! Great video!

[@jacobstine1221]

The Galbaldy Alpha had a few early production models fielded at A Baoa Qu with a single squadron being built. And most of them were built from a mix of Gyan and Gelgoog parts. With a few combat tests being during the end days of the war. The designs were taken after the Federation's one-year war and refined into the Galbaldy Beta and deployed as a stop-gap messure until newer machines could be made.

[@lyradnoir8952]

Could you do a lore video on the history of transformable mobile suits for the whole UC?

[@victor-primus9784]

0:58 ah I see a true man of culture

[@aestheticusername.7210]

Finally. Question to anyone who'll answer though. In the modern day UC gundam wouldn't the OG RX-78-2 amount to the highest quality GM(Jesta, Jegan, you get it)? If even that?

[@HeadCannonPrime]

Yes. The RX-78-2 wasn't really all that special OTHER than the armoring, which was better than anything for most of the war because it was considered too expensive and dropped for the production models (and the core block system).

[@KellPerEX]

IMO, Stark and ECOAS Jegans are superior to RX-78-2.

[@farhanaahmed326]

I'm pretty sure Jegan's outperform the rx-78-2 by a good bit considering some of the stuff we see them do in unicorn

[@trollinoakenshield9822]

Pretty sure all of them surpass gundam already, even nemo are based on GM sniper 2 which already on par with RX-78 and each made of upgraded gundarium alloy

[@somayough]

I forget which source I read this from, but the jegan is said to match the performance of high mobility gryps war machines. Its stats more or less match the hyaku shiki so it's definitely better than OG

[@takkima]

Thanks for this great video! Though I didn't feel that way when playing the Zeta Gundam DX (PS2/arcade), feels more like the Nemo is roughly on par with RX78.

[@mondobizarrro5468]

Another thing is that the gundam brought up the fact it had a learning computer that gathered technical data so it also got even easier to pilot throughout the show. With that said amuro also became such a good pilot he was still pushing the system well beyond its limits. It would be safe to assume most federation machines (atleast ace type, along with the gm early types) would have some sort of learning computer to gather technical data as well

[@FoxeyeValkyrie]

I'd love to see a video on mobile suits/mobile armors that on paper didn't look like it could be of any good at all yet in battle did amazing.

[@Laguzrick]

I wish I could do what ever I wanted with my GM Sniper Custom in GBO2, but it just don’t work that way :(

[@akaiookami6441]

I feel that pain I love that suit in that game

[@heavyarms55]

Hey dude, I just want to say, it seems like you did fix the camera focus issue and I appreciate that! idk if you did it because of my comment, or if you just noticed yourself or maybe someone else's comment, but super thanks! If I were to ask a question for one of these video, "What was the response of the public on Earth and in the colonies during the One Year War? Were they behind the conflict, or was it a war of the elite, forced on the masses? Do we even have any references to go on?"

[@basteala525]

I enjoyed seeing the limited production mobile suits as possible answers before seeing the first"true" mass produced MS that was superior. It painted a really nice picture of the timeline of advancements in mobile suit technology. I hadn't thought of the GM Custom, but it kind of makes sense considering how well it was performing against the Gelgoog Marine.

[@shwalkingmeme485]

Hello @Kakarot197, I hv a few questions. 1) How do military ranks work in Universal Century and who commands what MS-wise? Zeon especially has confusing rank insignias that differ between the original lore and Origin. Assuming you can detect the change between insignias every rank for both systems, which do you prefer: the original Zeon ranking system or the Origins version? 2) Where is the Brigadier General rank? Production-wise it can be explained away as the use of Imperial Japanese ranks, but I find it hard to believe that a full Earth-spanning military force doesn't use the BG rank since it's present in more countries than not. What in-universe explanation can you think up? 3) What's the chronological order of every single one of Char Aznable's mobile suits, including ancillary media such as comics, manga and MSVs?

[@canisarcani]

@Kakarot197 the Jesta is said to have performance equal to a gundam type mobile suit, not directly of course, but its implied that the suits were designed to escort the unicorn models and assist them, keeping any enemy that was beneath the unicorns at bay to free up the unicorn models to concentrate on killing newtypes. the issue arises when you consider that to act as an escort for a unicorn type gundam frame, you have to be capable of at the very least matching a gundam in performance: my question then is exactly what kind of gundam types performance level are we talking about here?

[@Okada_Caelun]

I want to mention something from an old game I played: Gundam vs Zeta Gundam (before it's status as canon is immediately written off; The game simply follows the story of the OYW and Gryps War, with chances to change the timeline and get multiple outcomes, structured around the 2v2 gameplay that can still be seen in newer "Gundam VS" games) The Gundam MKII was designed with the new movable frame concept... but it was specifically mentioned that it in the game's museum that with all these advancements it merely equaled the RX-78's performance. This might have just been the game's way of keeping the OYW suits from being irrelevant fighting later models, but if ut's true the GM Quel was as likely phased out for the GM II for maintenance and cost reasons. With that said, the Gelgoog was also mentioned in the game as effectively being equal in performance to the RX-78 as well, so finding MS that hold their own against it would also mean it could hold it's own against the RX-78... assuming the game can even be taken as canon.

[@jet-blackjo2455]

Kakarot197 I have two questions for next week 1: are the gundams from iron blooded orphans mass production. 2: which oyw gundam do you believe is the strongest

[@muisverriet]

The Gundams from IBO aren't mass production since only 72 of them exist.

[@arnoldkearimal]

My take: GM II was picked similar to things that are marketed as “military approved”: the cheapest, easiest to repair thing that gets the job done.

[@renced1290]

The GM Quel was in fact mass produced after 0083, but since it was primarily used by Titans, the regular forces needed an upgrade and the GM Type C was not it. So the GM II was made by refurbishing whatever vanilla GMs the feds had laying around at the time as another stopgap measure of sorts. They were not meant to surpass the gundam in any way and was just a cheap solution for a lot of the regular forces to be able keep up with the titans.

[@ReaperxGaming-yl4mj]

Here's a question that's been rolling in my head for awhile now. Ground Leo vs Zaku II on the ground.

[@ginger-ham4800]

imo the GM Sniper II takes both spots as the best GM in ground and/or space since the GM Sniper II White Dingo worked just fine in Australia.

[@MusicFan752]

Hell yeah to the gm striker, next to the gouf custom in battle operations its one of my favorite mobile suits to pilot.

[@brotherhoodofsteel4751]

If only bandai would make the hg gm aqua. Have you seen patlabor? What do you think Sayla mass was doing after the one year war?

[@HeadCannonPrime]

yes I'm waiting for that one too.

[@yegplayegpla8904]

This was so interesting to learn.

[@sudahi51]

How come the Federation never really expanded their Mass Production outside of the GM series till the Jegan? Zeon shifted focus from the Zaku line but the EFF seems to prefer making variants rather than purposefully designed machines.

[@gravefox4206]

simply put you have to think of it like the real world most logical nations make something with the purpose of having a working shelf life. GMs for the most part had as this video and others have shown a good 7-8 year run do to ease of variation. this versatility also grants alot of good resource managment meaning money saved and faster production in factories. Zeon did the the wrong thing by making completly diffrent production lines in MS hence part of the reason they lost the war. it wasnt till the final months they launched the UMP (United Mantience Plan) to streamline MS for production. the Jegans Frame is the reason the federation was finally able to spread out cause all the machines post its mass production incoperate a large amount of the Jegans parts into them meaning easy of production maintence and cheap.

[@DIEGhostfish]

I mean thr Hizack was made by the fedsies and the Zeon Republic alike

[@NishidaTegaru_nZk]

In the Gundam 00 movie, what do you think happened to Lockon II and Allelujiah after the battle with the ELS?

[@LoconStratos]

Me myself What I would use on the ground would defiantly be between the Powered GM and the Armorer GM, in Space either Thunderbolt or GM Guard Custom

[@ebindelgado9660]

What's the weirdest looking Zeon mobile suit and what's with all of Zeon's designs

[@blazesaber5991]

Originally there weren’t going to be toys and kits made for the bad guys who were there to get blown up by the heroes. That gave the creators full freedom to just go nuts with the designs.

[@mechataku]

i think one of the other big factors that made the Gundam so powerful was it's learning computer. my memory of the early tech is a little shaky, but if memory serves, weren't the GMs originally meant to be mass productions of the gundam just with easier to manufacture/procure parts? so no core block system, and no learning computer. gundam particularly being a testbed for a lot of federation technology means it's absolutely not surprising to hear that it got outclassed by other fed MS extremely quickly. heck, even looking at side stories, there were several other gundam type suits (looking at you thunderbolt) that were fairly effective testbeds that outstripped grandpa. long story short, federation wasn't exactly sleeping on the data they got from the gundam, and very quickly developed a lot of mass production models with that information. and though the federation was producing quite a few specialty suits, they were also very good at putting that data into their mass production models in order to outcompete the large variety of specialty suits that zeon kept trying to field.

[@borisdorofeev5602]

Haha I wanted to say GM Sniper 2 for Range and to fly away quickley in one direction. It's Space so if you are running you do not need a bunch of directional thrusters to weigh you down as you arent trying to dodge but outrun. But on the ground what is stopping a gm custom from using the sniper and mounting a bunch of other goodies.

[@time4manmode945]

The gm sniper is my favorite mobile suit to use in all of those gundam battle games for psp

[@porkflaps4717]

Just built the GM Striker yesterday. I say whenever they built GM's with Luna Titanium (Gundarium) and had better thrust/performance and weapons than the Gundam. I don't think all 3 happened for awhile. Performance on paper isn't everything Kakarot.

[@marcosdheleno]

exactly, specially in the case of the gm II. because the specs say its good, doesnt mean it will perform well in combat.

[@daichiken7880]

It depends on the pilot skill. That's what I believe.

[@johnsouto5221]

GM 2s, did have several things going for it, it had better armor, more thrusters for better maneuverability, the core block system was replaced by the linear cockpit with the 360 visual sensors, improve beam weapons. Combine this with pilots who are either well trained or combat veterans, and you have it.

[@riptors9777]

You have a machine that is limited by its outdated chassis. Its like in dragster sportscars.. if you put a bigger motor block in you run the danger of ripping the whole car apart. So you have to put limiters in. So while the numbers on paper dont look that bad the historical performance of the GM2 points to some major flaws in the overall mechanical design of the machine. Its like the Zudah: On paper a very impressive machine... in reality a flying coffin that could explode under your ass. So it stands to reason that while the GM2 had the numbers, its overall design was a bottleneck that didnt allow it to live up to those numbers.

[@lucianom.6133]

I've read that the gm II was upgraded directly from the classic gm so i think the gm quel was an exclusive mass produced ms for the titans so it may be a lot better than de gm II because it was made to be standard for ace pilots. If I'm not mistaken the gm II would be the best the regular federation forces could do with the limited budget they had because of the titans. PD: I don't know if i expressed myself clearly, english is not my mother language.

[@SeekerLancer]

There are two GM II designations, the RGM-79R which are GMs refit to the GM II standard and the RMS-179 (or RGM-82 for the AEUG designation) which were newly built GM IIs.

[@SecohdYue]

I want to do a question: If you have to fight as a common pilot / ace pilot on both sides, what machines you would like or preffer to pilot?

[@jakealter5504]

Master Plan a Rezel, GM Custom, or Jegan (2nd-3rd neo zeon war version). They were awesome machines

[@theskipper7305]

Delta Plus mate, the closest to a *"mass-produced"* Zeta Gundam with a functioning waverider mode

[@marcosdheleno]

gonna make you guys jealous for not thinking of this one! the Asshimar. that garbage piece of crap had more plot armor than the gp-01 when it went to space for the first time. seriously, that thing can fly, has a potent rifle, has an armor that made beam guns(up to that point) COMPLETELY useless. and best of all, it looks like trash, meaning, people will not take it seriously and think its a joke. if not that, than the Messala. because it was the only machine made by scirocco that actually makes sense...

[@michaellaw8401]

Byarlant custom

[@MuShinnen]

If we're talking the OYW, I'd say the GM Sniper Custom on the Federation side. On the Zeon side, an Efreet as it is a slightly better performing suit than the Gouf. For Z/ZZ Neo Zeon, I'd pick a Doven Wolf, and for Federation, I'd go for the Zeta Plus C1. Unicorn era For Zeon it'd be the modified Jagd Doga, and for the Federation the Jesta. If I could get away with it, a Sinanju Stein since there was more than one built.

[@ryansyahputra7109]

i want to know who came up with the idea of a transformable mobile suit and why cause i dont get it

[@twelfthknight]

I believe it was the Titans, Advance on Zeta outlines their development towards transformable MS. The basic reasoning I believe was to have the overall functionality of an MS that also could achieve the kinds of acceleration of a Mobile Arrmour. Though from a real-world standpoint, narrower silhouettes are functionally superior in both aerial or ground combat.

[@MuShinnen]

Irl it was the 80's and Transformers were huge. Gundam wanted to capitalize on it, and that's why you had the sudden appearance of over a dozen transforming mobile suits.

[@badwrongfun5541]

The answer is because Macross became popular and Sunrise felt like they needed an answer to that.

[@pistachiostash3342]

I have a question about the ball, why didn't they use the same concept of the balls grappler arms on space fighters like the Jets? Or better yet would it lower the performance of the space fighter jets?

[@ZeraTheRedRogue]

When you compare the two side by side, the GM-2 does bare a lot of structural resemblance to the RX-78-2, so that would be a very fair comparison to make. You also have to consider the level of technology advances, saying a GM is comparable to the original V Project Gundam isn't absurd by any means. I think depending on the material, Gundams are inherently romanticized as being unbeatable, kinda like how people look at classic muscle cars and say they can keep up with a modern sports car, even when that is no where near the case. The difference then comes in the driver/pilot of said machine.

[@ВасилийМорозов-л7х]

1:03 Asuka in background: Never mention a two-pronged spear...... Never.......

[@rakhafitra8607]

This video makes me question what kind of mobile suit would be considered a "gundam", because right now the difference between a "gundam" and a "high performance grunt MS" is pretty vague. Do you need to have V-fins to be called a gundam? Or does it have to be a one of a kind prototype machine?

[@texanmando2171]

Question: Did the standard also GM get a bad rap because its pilots were lacking in skills? Because in the Lost War Chronicle an EFF pilot mentions that he felt the GM ground type was better than the standard GM but in the Battlefield Record U.C. 0081 manga Hugues Courand Takes down a zeon MS team by himself in a GM.

[@jh316]

Isn't a big part of what made the Gundam so effective the Luna Titanium armor? The GM II and GM Quel had titanium/ceramic armor. Those got taken out by machineguns while anything with Luna T would tank machinegun hits over and over. So even if the reactor and thruster performance was the same the durability wasn't.

[@S4ty4Dh4rm4w4n]

Thx for the vid. JWTA, any chances you gonna do Thunderbolt, Unicorn, Narrative, Blue Destiny & SEED Astray in the future?

[@DreadnoughtDT]

I think the thing with the GM II is that it likely was piloted by Feddies who had little combat experience, due to most of the budget going towards the Titans at that point in time. So you have a similar problem with the Gelgoog. It's a *great* suit, but there wasn't really anyone around who could show off how good the suit really was.

[@tomvhresvelg9286]

Jesta is the first GM type to Defeat the Gundam type only by Maiming the Zeta plus with single Kick in the Cheyene Base(Despite Tri-stars didn't kill the guards here).but does Zeta plus count as a gundam?

[@madchatter4032]

Hope you can do top 10 strongest gm from the one year war

[@frommarswithmalice9174]

I like the color scheme of the gm striker the green and orange accents are clean looking

[@YiminyCricket]

Oh and how would the Jesta have performed if it were around during the events of Gundam F91? Would it be equal to or better or worse than the Heavygun??

[@michaellaw8401]

theADDKIDD88 i bet around the same except it is much vulnerable because it is way bigger

[@MrRe-pg7fj]

theADDKIDD88 Judging by how the three main F91 Jegans performed at that time. It likely would not be better or worse than the heavy gun.

[@MrFNP90]

We know that wireless guided weapons don't work in the Universal Century due to the scattering of Minovsky Particles, but is there ever a given reason why the don't work in the After Colony timeline or the Cosmic Era timeline? (I assume it's just laziness on the part of SEED for never bothering hand-waving it away with magical space particles)

[@JTMC93]

I would say the GM Quel would be the definitive cut off point for Federation Mass Produced MS being on par or beyond the performance of the original Gundam. With a few exceptions. Especially if we also add in the General Purpose designation. Especially since the GM Quel is based on the GM Custom but simplified for easier production. Edit: Also the GM Quel was available to non-Titan groups as well. It just was assigned to priority units like defense & garrison forces for production facilities and key colonies. Edit: If we are talking the 'Mainstay' units that were adopted as the standard for E.F.F. units then the GM II is the one that accomplished that. Edit: Honestly the GM II suffers the same issue that the Leo from G-Wing suffers.