Kang The Conqueror's Plan Has Already Started | Geek Culture Explained

[@3sgtecelica]

I like to think Thanos dying was also part of his plan. Everyone thinks the singular outcome where Thanos died was the avengers overcoming the odds, but in reality it was the only outcome Kang would allow since he was able to kill both Tony and Thanos, and ultimately led to He Who Remains' death along with the Sacred Timeline which prevented him from being.

[@SlickRick4EVER]

“But in reality”…. Lmao

[@3sgtecelica]

@@SlickRick4EVER lmao

[@SlickRick4EVER]

@@3sgtecelica, my man, it’s just a comic book movie. Anything goes and the Fegie can tweek the hell out of it however he pleases. So coming back to your theory, you are missing one piece of the problem: The Infinity Gems. The Ancient One clearly explained to Banner that if one gem is out, the timeline gets compromised. Well, I like to believe that Thanos was the catalyst to the wakening of Kang by destroying the “Infinity Stones” - in possibly, the Time Gem. If Kang was ever in existence, there had to be a reason that Agamotto created that amulet with the Time Stone in it. This is my hypothesis.

[@jakublizon6375]

@@SlickRick4EVER That's a decent point. However, the multiverse was still real, but Immortis was killed and couldn't tend to the hedges anymore (branching timeline). Destroying the time stone is okay. Completely removing them? That's different.

[@michaelconnelli5449]

Omg ive gone cross eyed!!!!

[@oldbeezy]

It definitely explains a lot meta textually, given how chaotic and disconnected the MCU feels at the moment. No central Avengers team, heroes popping up but not threatening at a multiversal level.

[@invisiblefan2387]

Majors is such a great casting choice. He actually makes Kang interesting!

[@KangTheDigitalNomad]

This will show you the story is more a tragedy of the Anti Hero...not good or bad. Just anti to what is really going on

[@PhantomBones101]

This is oddly similar to the theory that Thanos waited until Odin, Ego, and the Ancient One all died before making his move.

[@kibwel.parker6042]

That makes so much sense, it shouldn't even be considered a theory

[@TekkLuthor]

@@kibwel.parker6042 we need to stop making excuses to explain things away for the MCU

[@RobsSHiT]

Oh snap, didn’t even know that was a theory but makes sense, kinda, cause i don’t think Odin would’ve done anything just like none of the other Gods did anything. And we know there’s other Gods from Thor love and thunder

[@PhantomBones101]

@@RobsSHiT apart from the fact that Odin made it his job to oversee the nine realms (aka the rest of the known universe) it would make sense for Thanos to be on his radar. But only if he went after the infinity stones. Plus Odin did at one point care about humanity considering he fought off the Jötnar when they invaded earth. Plus I think Odin in particular would've been a threat because compared to other gods he is much more powerful. So much so that Zeus would've most likely lost if he opposed him. That's the main thing when it comes to this theory. Odin was very powerful and could amass an army to rival Thanos' army. Ego, though alone, is a being that can't really be killed without knowing his weakness and his own plan to wipe out the universe potentially making him even more powerful. And considering that the Ancient One pulled energy from the dark dimension there's no telling what other power she had under her belt. Especially when Thanos seemed to struggle against magic compared to all other attacks. Thats how I see the theory playing out. But unless we hear from the writers all of this is just a theory.

[@CrooningRevival365]

@@RobsSHiT pun intended?

[@Undeadwookiee7]

Kangs plan started back when he saved Jules and Vincent Vega from the bullets in the apartment. Which allowed Jules to “WALK YHE EARTH” and become Nick Fury. ^__^

[@bl0unt]

W

[@AtlanLD]

Goated

[@Che_sells_Cshells]

Kang tells Loki and Slyvie that he has seen that very moment of their arrival play out many times. Slyvie tries to kill Kang several times in that instant, but not until he sits in the chair watching them fight does Kang allow her to kill him. Planned down to the second.

[@equilibrium1950]

I'm curious. Doctor Strange used the Time Stone to view a grand total of 14,000,605 possible outcomes of Thanos' plan; he claimed that just one of those outcomes led to the Avengers' defeat of the Mad Titan. Silly thought, but what if Kang purposely manipulated all those outcomes and forced the Avengers down that one outcome for his benefit? Even in the Loki series this was hinted by Ravonna Renslaye. Is it crazy to believe that Kang did all this to prevent his presence from being discovered so he can successfully conquer the 616? 🤔

[@MysticEle]

Well one drawback to his time viewing ability is that he can't see past his own death, so *potentially* there were other wins, he just never saw them. That said, Kang would and could prioritize showing him those first so he'd only see the one win.

[@equilibrium1950]

@@MysticEle Ah, that's interesting. Good stuff!

[@MysticEle]

@@equilibrium1950 Yep, it was revealed by the Ancient One in his first movie. She'd already foreseen her own death and couldn't go further, which makes sense, as you're no longer "there" to see things. It's a natural limit to the utter broken abilities of the Time Stone. So your thought is potentially valid, in that Kang could've tampered and that Strange only had a small window to observe anyways. We'll just need to wait for confirmation one way or another.

[@manchuk1d]

bro Kang is annoying as fuck all this so he can Conquer and search for a time line for him and Ravonna to be together, man wont take no for an answer -_-"

[@cosmicgrub360]

Because of he who remains, and the sacred timeline, all timelines must follow the same path to prevent another kang variant

[@JakeFromYoutube]

What if "nexus beings" are some kind of fail safe for Kang if Immortus were to ever die? Maybe he couldn't create them and it just takes time for one to be born but maybe they can't actually die because they're a "constant" they are brought back when they do die. Perhaps them dying causes imbalance, told to us by The Living Tribunal maybe?🤞

[@DBlock_11x]

Nice! 👍🏼

[@Travmann777]

Ooooooo I love that explanation for a possible multiverse avengers movie / avengers forever type story.

[@JakeFromYoutube]

@@DBlock_11x thanks!

[@JakeFromYoutube]

@@Travmann777 right?? I kinda figure this whole multiverse saga has to lead to some kind of team up just like you're talking.

[@HB-ih9qp]

we need a post credit scene with kang going back in time to speak with a younger thanos. ensuring him that he's on the right path & that he has kang as an ally as long as he's neutral to kang's presence. rob covered it in one of his kang comic reviews

[@OGBLACK]

I mean technically it kinda happened when The Avengers went back in time and past Thanos followed them back to the present. Thanos recognizes that he is dead but also sees that he was able to actually get all the stones and snap. So really if they were to do something like that it would be cool but kinda unnecessary imo.

[@Chuck0424]

Or it could be possible that those millions of outcomes and only one result that Dr. Strange saw could have been more about Kang than actually stopping Thanos 👀. Just a thought.

[@3sgtecelica]

Yes this is my theory as well. The only outcome Kang would allow was the one where the avengers killed Thanos.

[@istillwantthatgasyes3464]

I like this theory a lot, it works almost perfectly in the bigger picture of everything. Especially after the comment Renslayer said about the avengers supposed to be stopping thanos & gives even more weight to endgame & other small moments

[@CrooningRevival365]

Yes. And when asked about whether there was any other choice, he always looks like he’s hiding something-but not maliciously. I think he saw the web of time being controlled by ‘something’ that even couldn’t understand leading him to say that “we know frighteningly little about the multiverse”

[@Bingo_the_Pug]

Once you introduce time travel, the plot becomes a convoluted mess. Now all these theories & retcons are popping up, when the writers themselves aren’t 100% sure what the final outcome will be

[@StrangerX9]

This is my theory, and I’ve been saying that Kang doesn’t conquer directly. That if you’re truly powerful you summon calamities to destroy places you don’t want. The scarlet witch getting the Darkhold, The Norse God of Trickery, being sent to the TVA, Dweller in Darkness, Wakanda fighting Atlantis all of this could be orchestrated by Kang, but simply opening a time gate for something dreadful to encounter something he doesn’t want.

[@AlSween]

Interesting... Kang prevented the X-Men, Hank Pym, and Janet Van Dyne from being Avengers, and removed our current Avengers. That even fits with The Man Who Stole Tomorrow.

[@limelightcapital7958]

im so excited to see Kang in the MCU. I believe the seeds have been sewn for his plan, i also believe Ironheart could be the MCUs Iron Lad and maybe shes related to him.

[@thejworks07]

Hopefully she lasts 1 film and we never see her again

[@hamhockbeans]

Then....when Kang fails in the shadows you hear wait til they get a load of me. - Dr. Doom

[@jasonvoorhees310]

Nope. Ironlad and Ironheart are two different characters. Most likely it's going to be the same in the MCU.

[@no_player_commentary]

Oh god no for that last part please no.

[@jasonvoorhees310]

@@no_player_commentary ironlad is a descendent of Kang not Ironheart.

[@altowatts1325]

Before he was killed by Sylvie he told her, " I honestly don't know what will happen next." Perhaps that was the first sign that Kang's plan was working. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@_TheViewer_]

I think He who remains clarified it in the last episode He ISOLATED our (616) timeline and made it into the sacred timeline overwatched by him and the TVA. In other timelines there are kangs conquering as well, but cannot get into our timeline (the sacred one) without getting pruned As long as He who Remains was there at least. Since we don’t know which time Loki was sent to, it could be he’s out of our sacred timeline right now !/ or the effect took already place and he came out the portal afterwards in our timeline which had already had a different Kang.

[@rileyribble6733]

You point out a very interesting detail a lot of people seem to frequently miss. He did say ISOLATED, perhaps implying he simply separated that reality from the rest of the existing multiverse

[@_TheViewer_]

@@rileyribble6733 to be honest, it came to when I watched the vid above and thought about it, but by now it makes more and more sense ! Have to go back to Loki later to check how the timestreams come to be, but I think it’s like ours (616) was kept from all the other ones, hands why the plan of He who remains could work out, since it was “his universe” he created and watched over ! EDIT: I rewatched Loki now and in the first episode it’s shown like many timelines like fighting to be the only timeline. Then the TimeKeepers (Kangs robots) came and forged them into one, the sacred timeline. Then in the last episode which I believe to be true, He who remains said he ISOLATED our timeline FROM THE OTHER ONES, but it seems like that’s after his success with Alioth in the multiversial war. He just had to “manage the time flow and prune all branches”. Nothings said about he “limited” all other timelines from keep being. So it doesn’t actually say there are other ones out there, but why then use the word isolated ? means 616 in MCU was always inside of He who remains’ overlooked universe. It has to be like the option with different universe/timelines next to ours, since there were no other Kangs because of he who remains, not coming in from the outside of our universe nor the inside because of some branching of the timeline. (Except they bring in Immortus and Rama-Tut, then there should be many versions of Kangs alter Egos in each timeline, that shit is ridiculous complicated) Shits crazy, Loki S2 should clear that up, I’m very hyped to see if they say Loki is in another Timeline different from ours or if already everything in our timeline is affected by the death of HWR and Loki ist still in our timeline!

[@Oxdxsh04]

In Loki season one, HeWhoRemains said "Wait till you meet my other variants!". He knew they will meet Kang? He knew he will die? That quote from Loki season one isn't a coincidence.

[@MOFsquadron]

That's literally what he said in Loki. He who remains literally says "every step you took to get here, I paved the way." So it stands to reason that his alter ego Kang has done the same.

[@jaylan7847]

I think we're forgetting that Kang is a descendant of Reed and Sue. He can't kill them either or that would erase his existence. So them being trapped somewhere or traveling the multiverse is the perfect plan to keep them away without killing them.

[@RichBandzMf]

All I know is if they land this, it's gonna be the greatest story telling of all time

[@psytron939]

Thats what I love about Kang. He couldve manipulated anything and everything to shape the MCu the way he wanted it to be shaped so his victory always came. Having Stark die, having the F4 trapped in Quantum Realm (maybe), having the Loki variant go all the way to the TVA and debunk it with Sylvie and end up killing He who Remains so he wasnt in the way for Prime Kang to take over everything. Its wild, its crazy, and I cant WAIT for phase 5-6 and how it will all play out.

[@mr.clymate7489]

I can get around the idea of Kang playing 3D chess with the Timeline

[@alllove5654]

I want to see kang give the hero’s a reality check. Like saying “Scott lang I’ve killed you 10 times and each time I kill you, you think it’s gonna be different, you think you are different” then he dramatically says “ you think you are special, all of you hero’s, think your special”, “you think because you have powers that you are important but I’ve seen it all, experienced it all, I’ve killed it all and to me, to the multiverse, your just another empty vessel looking for purpose where there is none”

[@kirbyweber8532]

I think it can be summed up to a singular event. Instead of Kang ALLOWING Thor to “Aim for the head”, it was changed so he didn’t kill Thanos in that moment, hence the spiral.

[@Aquaneos1193]

Basically Kang is like "it was me Barry" this whole time

[@ShaunLevett]

The problem with a time travel villain is that in theory, as soon as he won the Kang war he can rewrite history. So his plan has already happend and he's already won, before any phase 5-6 films.

[@nydabeats]

I agree, once Kang comes to power and controls the TVA then the main timeline could only still exist if he allowed it to exist or else we would have some new alternate past events that could be revealed. Maybe he changed things that we don't even know about yet.

[@theonewhowokeup9987]

I know it must feel wonderful for Jonathan Hickman knowing that his complex story writing is heavily used as source material for the MCU who's raking in boatloads of money. There's more hits than misses and it's probably drawing back in former comic book readers like myself and bring in a new demographic of readers. If only DC could translate the success they have with their animated universe into live action. DC is comicly outmatched I won't bet on them to catch up with the MCU tho which is sad. I know many others would like to see this "rivalry" if that's what you want to call it lol play out in theaters than on paper and cyberspace.

[@Dogofwar9]

The theory makes sense especially given kang and the current status of the mcu being all over the place. The real question is what/who are these universal constants and how could kang/avengers use them.

[@guardianofmarvel]

I love when you get hype about Jonathan avengers and new avengers I laugh every time 😂

[@rubyvamplaw]

I figured He Who remained set in motion a chain of events that would mean the heros have a chance to beat kange, picking some events so the right set of heros will be there at the right moment (so he hopes). Nexus beings are something the multy verse itself has let happen to help stop people like Kang.

[@jspurs22]

Prime Kang or the Kang who's sitting beyond time is basically chilling directing his own film as long nobody screws up his script

[@KnowShun]

Its so mf cool yall put this together. Basically, Kang is gaslighting the entire mcu. He been going around at pivotal moments and changes small things that influence avengers and other to do things that ensure his complete victory. Hard guy to beat in chess.

[@melkor3228]

What if Alioth in the MCU is actually a being created by Knull that was "severed" when the sacred timeline was separated, running amok with Kang unknowingly coming across and enslaving it to his own purposes. Now with the sacred time line rejoining the multiverse adding to Knull becoming aware of it's existence through both Alioth and the symbiote strain that dropped off Eddie 🤔

[@zekestarfc]

Your theories are ALWAYS appreciated and seem close to “the plan” so to speak. Big fan, always trying to stay updated when you post. 🙏🏽✊🏽 (side request: would REALLY like to see the continuation of EARTH, UNIVERSE, PARADISE X series… PLEASE🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@sekoubolden6120]

YES GIVE US UNIVERSE AND PARADISE X

[@thejworks07]

I'd say it's more than a theory Most of the events of loki happens outside of time And if kang can time travel it's more likely a lock

[@codyelms7340]

This makes me wonder if Kang influenced Dr. Strange view into the future when he was on Titan. Giving him the outcome where Thanos, Tony, and Cap die. In MoM we discover he could have used the Dark Hold. I think Kang blocked Dr. Strange from seeing these alternate outcomes.

[@codyelms7340]

Which in turn gives Marvel the opportunity to explain recastings that occured (War Machine/Hulk) while also explaining why Mutants haven't been a thing in this universe. Kang blocked it all.

[@scinnyc]

Interesting theory but Kang could just as easily have manipulated the timeline so the Avengers never got their powers or were never even born in the first place. I think Kang has already gone back in time and eliminated the X-Gene from early humans to prevent the rise of mutants

[@KrSwag51]

This makes alot of sense like man it gives all of the infinity saga even more important and gives this saga stakes of how will all these people beat Kang who is planning this out that thoroughly

[@MasterJack2]

The famous: "It's not bad writing, it was Kang's plan all along"

[@grudzielanek]

This is the kind of theory crafting I stopped doing after Age of Ultron. The movies leading up to that, from Iron Man 2 on, were all about Stark's plan to build a metaphorical suit of armor around the world, and the distinction between automated defenses and having a person in the suit. There are little bits and pieces of a big picture in nearly every movie (though especially the Iron Man and Captain America movies) from Iron Man 2 onward. And then Age of Ultron didn't really pay off any of those threads. These movies aren't nearly as intentionally designed as we want them to be.

[@virtualrealityfitness283]

Rumors are Squadron Supreme is in Loki season 2!

[@Hotteststewpot]

This is actually really solid theory, one of your better ones for sure. I think you are spot on.

[@kevinhudson9776]

My theory is that the number of Kangs go from infinite to 14,000,605 as the strongest (Dr. Strange in IW) and that He Who Remains is the victor based on allowing Tony Stark to die. HWR creates the TVA to ensure that always happens. Since HWR exists outside of time, once he dies in Loki S1, Ramona Renslayer had instructions to meet Kang the Conqueror (which I assume is the first Kang HWR met and they bonded) and give him what he needs to win the multiverse war. Kang the Conqueror is allowing the sacred timeline to go wild because now he knows that conquering alioth is the key, something that I assume HWR used to defeat Kang the Conqueror at the end of the war.

[@dickgrayson3085]

Imagine if ultron kang thanos all teamed up

[@andrewvasquez7872]

IF this is true, this would actually be the perfect lead in to a complete reboot of either much of the MCU or all of it. Think about it, if Kang is allowing these things to happen: Tony dying, Hulk and Thor's changes in personality, than it could stand to reason that once Kang is defeated we could "fix" these things.

[@swingking83]

Is it possible Kang played a role in Dr Strange’s visions in infinity war? He knew Tony was smart enough to figure it out. And with Tony out the way he figured nobody was smart enough to figure it out and stop him. Also with F4 being lost he could be free with no worries

[@infamxs66]

I think that was prevalent when Ravonna told Loki the Avengers were supposed to go back in time Kang let that happen but didnt expect Loki to steal the tessaract

[@22th_era]

That is exactly what I was telling my friend the other day that there's nobody that we know of in the MCU that can actually stop Kang the Conqueror there are also no avengers either at this point in the story yes we have seen young avengers but I don't think that's enough to stop Kang

[@thanoswasright5333]

Only Kang would let smart hulk be a thing

[@ckgregory]

Kang knows all and can check boxes where he needs to, keeping things in place or teams out of time. What if he's the introduction of Mutants, specifically X-Men? He does his time thing and he knows the avengers and the X-Men bump heads sometimes and he lets the X-Men happen to slow down the avengers?

[@seth9655]

After all of these, I have a bad feeling that during Avengers: Secret Wars we won't get God Emperor Doom. Instead, it could be a variant of Kang who, just like Doom in the comics, absorbed the power of the Beyonders (we will probably see that at the end of Avengers 5), or Avengers 5 will end with Kang destroying the Multiverse.

[@rileyribble6733]

I think that’s fairly obvious at this point. Once they announced Secret Wars was gonna be late 2025/MAYBE early 2026 if they decide to push it back a couple slots, that we wouldn’t get God Emperor Doom. And as a massive Doom fanboy, as disappointing as that is, given SW IS happening so soon, I’m kinda glad from the standpoint of there would not AT ALL be enough time to properly flesh out Doom’s character. He’s gonna likely debut in BP2’s post credit, but after that it’s pretty unknown. Cuz I have a feeling that they’re not gonna use Doom in the first F4 movie (and I think that’s the smart move mind you, change it up from FOX). But there’s three things you have to consider if Doom was in Secret Wars in 2025. 1. You run the risk of Doom or Kang overshadowing each other which isn’t fair to either character. 2. Once you tell Secret Wars with Doom, how do you possibly go upwards from there? That should be Doom at his peak, not in his like third appearance lol. And 3. If they ended Doom’s MCU lifespan at just 3 years and killed him off in Secret Wars, I think a LOT of comic book lovers would be furious given the storytelling potential with him. Not just for the F4 and Secret Wars, but in Black Panther stories, a crossover with Dr. Strange (adaptation of Triumph and Torment perhaps?) Point being, it’d be a disservice to end his character that quickly just to have him there. If Secret Wars wasn’t till like 2032 then I’d feel like we may get God Emperor Doom. But knowing it’s so close, despite being a massive Doom fan, at this point I’d rather them just have it be Kang and then build the next saga after this around Doom as the big bad to deal with. This comment has gotten way too long at this point so I apologize lol, I’m very passionate about his character 😅

[@no_player_commentary]

I was sure we would probably get that othe secret wars not sure if there have been two or three. But the one where its more like a multiverse tournament or something

[@seth9655]

@@no_player_commentary How I would imagine: the MCU use the concept behind the 2015 Secret Wars (the destruction and recreation of the Multiverse), with the story of the 1984 Secret Wars (the remaining heroes and villains from the different Earths are fighting on Battleworld, that was created by the Beyonder).

[@italkshyt14]

What’s so good about Doom? Explain.

[@AlSween]

I've been noticing the clock references like Kate Bishop breaking the bell tower/clock in Hawkeye. Khonshu tells Marc Spectre "Tick Tock" wile standing in front of a giant clock.

[@RELAXcowboy]

I have this gut feeling they are going to tie Uatu to this Kang story. Maybe have him see into Kangs plan and help show the heroes what he is doing and what needs to be done to stop him?

[@geeman8332]

This easily one of your best theories....I hope Feige sees this and develops it

[@thetony5474]

This sounds like that Half Life, Portal and Alyx theory that the real protagonist of the universe is Valve. And don’t look that up…you’ll problem end up disappearing for weeks while you go through all of the theories out there in this franchise. So my theory is that Kevin Feige is in fact Kang and the MCU is basically a Tropic Thunder self contained battle world he built to contain everyone within the true sacred timeline. Hence why our current reality is breaking down and it’s down to one of the heroes to break the 4th wall and stop him. There you go…. 😂

[@izzylandyt]

One of the best theories out there. I’m hyped.

[@cmb4140]

I wouldn't say Kang has been hands off. I believe Kang needed Iron Man to die in the 616 universe , so he made sure all of those millions of potential outcomes Dr. Strange saw resulted in them losing to Thanos. He needed the Avengers to lose initially, travel back, send Loki to the TVA and result in Silvie killing Immortus.

[@BigReuben97]

1999999*

[@conservativesaiyan]

Very interesting theory. And I will add more to it, esp after re-watching the Season 1 finale of Loki. He Who Remains seen everything coming, so he expected both Loki's. But do you know when he couldnt see what was going to happen to him? I say that Sylvie was in on it. What it Evil Kang sent her? It makes sense to me that the only person who could effed up He Who Remains is an evil version of him, hence, sent Sylvie to go kill him. And it also makes more sense that He Who Remains stopped talking or explaining because he didnt know what was coming nextC hence, what decision Sylvie and Loki would make. Evil Kang knew this would happen, so he sent another Loki to do his bidding, while He Who Remains saw Loki chime in as well. But the minute he stopped and realized he knew nothing next tells me, at least, that another Kang variant played his game. Which is ironic, because both Sylvie and Loki thought this was a game. And speaking of Sylvie... Did you find it odd that she was determined to do it no matter what? He Who Remains knew he had little choice since both were coming, but he did have a plan. In fact he made sure to do whatever was necessary to still keep the timeline intact. When they arrived, Loki was offered external rewards, but Sylvie was offered happiness? Thats more internalized, and not something you waste time in order to gain a reward. I mean, put yourself in their shoes. You choose a reward that benefits you. One thats worthwhile. He Who Remains could of offered it, hence, he seen Loki's. But Sylvie's? Not so much. In fact revenge may have been the part not for her, but Evil Kang himself. It is an interesting theory and one that will make more sense. But I dont know. The more I think about Evil Kang sending Sylvie to kill He Who Remains the more it makes sense. Because if He Who Remains seen that coming he would of not taken that risk. Good stuff Rob!

[@hamhockbeans]

I think Chthon snatched Wanda before the temple crumbled. The last burst of chaos energy was him grabbing her.That ending scene for Wanda left open for a writer and director.

[@artbybrandonlee]

9 minutes and 23 seconds, that's how long it takes Rob to mention Jonathan Hickman's Avengers and New Avengers 😂. Great vid!

[@gordonchris7897]

There’s a way to get Young Captain America back, without having to use an alternate version. Since Captain America is on the same timeline that he used to go back in time in his suit. All he needs to do is get back in the suit and hit the return button and he would return back to current time at the same age that he left.

[@bet0v966]

Solid plan focusing on different versions of Avengers from stopping him but he didn’t plan for one man ; the one man who will pick up on his plan - Doom

[@mageeaaron2624]

This theory is incredible! Most impressive! 🙏🏽

[@thealphajon7760]

So basically one can say kang has been in the background all along just like thanos. Only difference is his not playing his full hand just yet won’t be surprised if we don’t see his full had until the middle of phase 5

[@drdoom1786]

If done right, Kang could be timeless (pun intended) villain

[@IbarraEspinosa]

I loved this theory!

[@Goldiavolo]

Bruce could do it. He the one that sent Cap back and he was the main one working on it before Tony came back

[@noturaveragedad]

I thought marvels time travel rules were you can’t go to the past and affect the future. Rhody said why don’t we just go to past and kill Thanos. And they quickly shot that down as impossible, that time didn’t work that way, you just make a new timeline when it splits

[@d.c.vandament9713]

That theory makes a ton of sense to me now that I think about it…watching all the phase 4 stuff it’s like where’s kang going to appear and there’s absolutely nothing and it’s driving me crazy lol thanks for connecting the dots for me lol

[@SKy_the_Thunder]

"It was me, Barry..."

[@TheDrDave89]

I honestly love the theory but as “holepunching” is encouraged; do you guys not think that instead of being immensely calculated that Kang would be fun if some of it was off the cuff? In the same way that Immortus/HWR went “off script” before he died. Like he’s allowing some stuff because it’s part of the plan but what if he hasn’t figured out the end yet? I don’t know I just see Phases of Kang-Centric material before they switcheroo over to Doctor Doom.

[@UltimateSpider1385]

Imagine Avengers: The Kang Dynasty starting off with an opening scene showing Sylvie running away and From Kang's forces who are chasing her. They capture her and begin to torture her onboard Kang's Sword ship. then Kang comes in telling his soldiers to stand down and that's when Sylvie responds by saying: "You?!! I killed you!!!" And Kang will say: "You killed one of my variants." Sylvie says: "what do you want?" And Kang says: "you'll find out soon enough. And I doubt the gods, and heroes of this Multiverse would try to stop me, let alone the Avengers."

[@KatR264]

Kang doesn’t want the Fantastic 4 to get lost in the time stream indefinitely, because he is a direct descendant of Reid Richards. If Reid Richards doesn’t make it back and raise a family then Kang will never be born.

[@yippiecalle421]

I hope that we are going to get a She-Hulk & Deadpool team up. One breaks the 4th wall the other realizes that the other “sees/talks to us too”. Then they will both will spend 2-3 minutes attempting to explain the Kang Dynasty each in their own way and each think they are right and the other is wrong.

[@xvxcascaxvx]

I have an xmen theory, I haven't seen discussed... the X Men are kings tools to conquer the multriverse. So, that being said, the "sacred timeline" is timeliness cultivated where the xmen were erased, or never happened. And, with that, not only do we get secret wars, but Avengers vs XMen as well

[@KryyssTV]

It's with noting that the TVA timeline monitors didn't have a red line that corresponded with when new branches formed, as we can see them occour before that point, but rather based upon distance from the Sacred Timeline. Now, we know from both the TVA animation and what has been said about Incursions is that the timelines literally crash into each other. It's a physical event based upon some measure of distance. Now the word Sacred has many definitions but the primary one is "to be set aside, to be reserved for special purpose". So what this all suggests is that the multiverse always existed but that the MCU had been isolated from it until new timelines were created and reconnect it to the multiverse. And as Rob stated, with Kang being able to travel back through time in any reality of the multiverse all he needed to do to manipulate the MCU is wait for it to be reconnected.

[@jtucker8369]

Hey Rob. I like the theory but I wanted to add something. From what we have seen in comics and other media of Kang. He welcomes a fight and challenge. I think he will allow events to unfold so he can test himself against the best possible versions or best efforts the Avengers can produce. We have seen from What If and the multiverse in general there are more power versions of characters that exist. So the big 3 being out of commission could lead to even more power or effective heroes even the the MCU let alone other realities. I am excited either way. And I am loving the slow build up to Kang Dynasty.

[@jaredbraggs1]

Better theory is after Kang was release and took over the tva. He went back in time and convinced cap America to stay in the past, he taught or pushed the idea to Bruce how to tame the hulk, he put the idea in Wanda to go take over the town and lead her to the book and be corrupted, after end game he went to thor and put the idea in his head to leave with the guardians removing him from the landscape. But to just do nothing and everything works out impossible.

[@R9Josh]

remember in loki they said "the avengers going back in time was so post to happen" meaning this theory is correct.

[@amgj74]

This all seems plausible given how Kang is the Big Bad of this phase, however, with the "anticipated" arrival of Dr. Doom, wouldn't he be a disruptor for Kang's plans negating all his work to neutralize the Avengers? Also, could you do a video explaining why some Variants are identical (Kang, Dr. Strange, Wanda, etc) and other are not? (Loki)

[@Melikeene]

I have been going back looking for Kang clues

[@jklein1100]

Great theory but one issue just because tony is gone doesnt mean they cant time travel.. bruce is a pretty smart guy and he helped tony with it so im pretty sure he would remember how to do it.. just a thought

[@jasonvoorhees310]

Everything you said makes perfect sense actually.

[@ItsStormShadow]

I have a theory for you. Guinan from star trek is another variant of kang. 1. stak trek was in marvel in the 80s. 2. Guinan loves to wear purple and green. 3. Guinan is in many time altering episodes. 4. Q even sugjested that Guinan is not her name. 5. Guinan is more combat ready than worf with a phaser. What if Guinan aka kang variant, went into an alternate universe (startrek universe) just b4 "he who remains" destoryed her universe. I think it fits.

[@MarchallWhite12345]

This is the best thing coming out of DC Rebirth

[@agrey832]

To be honest, I was a bit concerned about the fact that this Saga is called "The Multiverse Saga" but the first Avengers movie is "The Kang Dynasty" but it's only one movie.....the very next one is "Secret Wars". My point is, how do you have Kang confined to One movie? Fox did that with Apocalypse and everyone *HATED IT* (with good reason, because it's stupid). But this theory adds dimensions and layers to Kang's involvement in the Multiverse Saga, which makes for better storytelling 🤔

[@beekai6273]

They’ll probably sprinkle kang around different films before then, and he will be a major player in Ant Man, so hopefully it’ll flesh him out in time for the Avengers movie

[@KangTheDigitalNomad]

@@beekai6273 Correct remember Kang is an immortal he'll come back if he wants to. He saw the end of time literally sat there and relaxed 😎 You gotta wrap your head around something like that.

[@guyver6622]

"Return to your own world knowing that this one belongs to Doom."

[@glarepherson]

Very valid theory..he makes Thanos aware of the stones ,knowing that in the sacred timeliness it eliminates the 616 big dogs ..hulk made soft..Steve gets old..loki goes the the tva and kills the Kang that can stop him,black panther dies,vision dies and puts Wanda on the path of madness and kills on a world wirh an illumati that couldpuld stop him ..Thanos even knew who Tony stark was ...this all makes the most sence

[@timothymitchell8310]

Nuff said but, there can be no absolutes in this world because there would no longer be any stories to tell. I love the telling of the stories. We have seen and now gone to Infinity and now ……..enter The Beyonder. That’s right Buzz!

[@Captnamrca07]

I agree with a lot of this but you say that Kang's plan has already started. I think the thing to note is that we're getting multiple Kang's that will have similar, yet different, motivations. I don't think we should assume that there is a dominant Kang yet. Plus, Peyton Reed says we'll kind out a lot about the quantum realm and he also said it's not what we think it is.

[@Malthizar]

Bruh really had a theory that amounted to "let the thing that was already going to happen...happen." Genius

[@kinghanning]

I think Kang ends up fighting against himself and the young avengers. Probably will layout in a trippy way in comparison with the rest of the timeline, to indicate Iron Lads eventual transition, and reveal of the infinite Kang.

[@tomhaile7232]

But seriously what a great way to introduce the mutants then to have Charles keeping them hidden until it is so bad with Kang that he open everyones eyes and with magneto leads them into war with Kang which causes battle world and Secret wars to unfold.

[@AntonioDragon88]

The other variants of Kang will continue on. Like iron lad. Hope we get Rama Tut

[@Cuorion]

And Parker is the one that finds out about all of this and forms a resistance group, dodging Kang's hunt because of Strange's spell. O_O

[@AntonioDragon88]

Or maybe Kang is a nexus being. There’s probably supposed to be a version of him always sitting at the end of time.

[@leonwade7140]

That one Chance at Beating Thanos Is the Reason Kang is Here,had they not did that Kang woulda never existed,Kang also needed Iron man to die so he don’t time travel to beat kang

[@Calaman345]

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[@allistertenpenny6871]

He Who Remains said even if Sylvie kills he will end up right back at the end of time. He basically admitted he is in a time loop. Technically he hasn't been born yet, and he is born so far into the future the heroes really don't have a way of knowing whether or not their actions or just the progression of humanity in general is going to give rise to He Who Remains/Kang. He'll inevitably discover multiversal time travel and discover his other variants and they will go to war again, and if the loop isn't broken by either The Avengers or Kang, He Who Remains will end up right back at the end of time again. Thanos said he was inevitable, but He Who Remains/Kang is TRULY the one who is inevitable.

[@RELAXcowboy]

I hope we find out what He Who Remains plan was. Why did it seem like he WANTED Sylvie to kill him and release Kang? Why does it seem that way if he was the one who stopped the last Kang war? I have a feeling we are way more in the dark than we are being told.