Why Aren’t We Talking About This? Ice Spice, Candace Owens, & Culture…

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Why Aren’t We Talking About This? Ice Spice, Candace Owens, & Culture…
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[@katriceoffordabdallah453]

Sorry, Sister. No shift. I will always be mindful of the deliverer of the message.

[@Joyce-zl4qd]

A klansman told me I was uneducated...now I'm SMARTER THAN he is. They will tell you the truth. Did it piss me off, yes. I tried to fight him, but he was right.

[@whisper2284]

Your response is exactly the problem with Black America. They vote Democrat regardless of the message and accept poor outcomes in their communities. Theyre akin to a person who only eats chicken and beef but refuses to try seafood because it’s different. Black Americans refuse to expand their social and financial palates. That’s the reason they aren’t valued or given opportunities, and viewed as simple minded and lacking sophistication. It’s called being closed minded.

[@jackieland6378]

You made this up

[@geekylove3603]

I think black Americans need to be delivering these messages more often themselves, so you do not need Owens. For instance. The murder rate of your black women is worse than of white men. But white men love gu*s. And there are more white men than black women. So why is it never spoken about?

[@AlppleJuice]

Candace is grifter. She’s not making a shift. She’s making a grift. She’s good at one thing; coercing people with deep seeded anti black beliefs into thinking that those beliefs are rooted in some level of care and concern. This keeps Candace relevant and paid.

[@smarti1144]

1000% true.

[@kisslena]

Another troll media personality. Why are we listening to people like Candace Owens? What are the bona fides that she has to inject in conversations regarding anything relevant? Did she serve in a professional capacity or create policy? It’s really confusing to me why anyone cares about her opinion, seriously.

[@HypnoticHollywood]

@@kisslena 99% of news pundits have not served office or created policies, so why should Candace have served to office in order to have political opinions?

[@HypnoticHollywood]

@@smarti1144 1000% false.

[@girlinthecity2304]

🎯 🎯🎯

[@ryanwalters1649]

Not sure how Karen's show popped up for me on KZbin a month ago, but I'm hooked. More people need to hear her voice. Thank you!

[@ioniajones2069]

Sirus XM: Channel 126 Urban View. aka The Power (Joe Madison)

[@BetterMe981]

Same❤

[@Victoria-tc5cm]

Absolutely 👏👏❤️💐

[@KarenHunterShow]

thank you!

[@janell1963]

Same here!!!

[@3truthis]

My students are 17 and 18. Most of them cannot stand most of the music their generation's music. Especially, when they know ALL THE WORDS to my 90s and 2000s music.

[@mstwelvedeadlycyns]

Isn't that something?

[@reneegraham2201]

Because music is all about sex and garbage now

[@k.christensen6478]

Candace she's not wrong but at the same time she's never done right by us.

[@KarenHunterShow]

facts...

[@1on1AllstarsGames]

​@@KarenHunterShow Remember on her birth certificate of Candice Owen she States Caribbean 😂 , she goes far way far way from black community after NAACP fought her.

[@wr006]

As a possibility, is it likely that she is not 'walking the thin line' or 'walking on a tight rope'; yet, without any willful intent to destroy any group of people, she is doing what is in the best of her interest. Even as she herself - Candice Owens has said (in so many words): As a youngster, her/my initial rejection "was done by other young Black females simply because I Did Not Fit The: Stereotypical Image Of The Said Black Female". Therefore, although Candice Owens herself is indeed a highly intelligent, respectful and well-spoken young woman; yet, she was ridiculed as a youngster by other young Black females as well as other bigoted young Whites. The irony of it all is that even today a number of Black males would assume or presume that she was abused by some Black males (even her biological father) during her earliest younger years.

[@batgirlp5561]

​@@1on1AllstarsGamesThey actually fought for her

[@dharr6628]

Don't agree with Candace 99% of the time, but just to add to what she is saying The Rap CULTURE has been a detriment to the Black Community.

[@gregorypeterson9]

When someone has done so much to damage our race suddenly speaks of uplifting our race it's very hard to separate the message from the messenger even if the message may be correct.

[@tulsacaupain2882]

She made that switch already now she wants to come back. Please Candace is lost lost.

[@vernonchatman7059]

Exactly what has she done to damage our race

[@AKang5]

Damaged?! Lmao. She’s the last of our problems

[@geekylove3603]

I think black Americans need to be delivering these messages more often themselves, so you do not need Owens. For instance. The murder rate of your black women is worse than of white men. But white men love gu*s. And there are more white men than black women. So why is it never spoken about?

[@patrickchugbo8081]

She has always said this for over 5 years, there is no shift... Y'all just chose to hear what u want

[@SeeknDaTruth]

Candace-a broken clock is right twice a day but can't dismiss that it is still broken.

[@DamonCagnolatti]

Thank you!!!! Just bc she can talk that talk don’t mean she aligned politically with Black-folk (black as a verb and a politic)

[@janwig9347]

Yes! Don't get it twisted. She is not the messenger we need to be listening to. You can agree with what she said but it's a dangerous game when you think she might say something else you agree with. Don't let that girl get in your head. That's how the devil works. I'm just saying

[@HypnoticHollywood]

@@DamonCagnolatti Candace is a Republican, the party who freed the slaves. You and most blacks are aligned with Democrats ,the party responsible for slavery, KKK and Jim Crow. Candace doesn't hate black people, she hates the flaws in today's black culture, like all in black people should. Karen and Candace are right for calling out Ice Spice and this guy trying to defend black dysfunction is the reason black America is in a fallen state today.

[@longsan3]

Candace does not CARE! All she is doing is comforting her target audience.

[@andreabrown4541]

A broken clock is just that: broken.

[@Staticfitness_Inc]

It’s weird how some of us pretend there wasn’t trash in the 90’s. Or the 80’s. Or the 70’s. Or whenever… Not that I’m bumping “Ice Spice” anytime soon (it’s not made for me anyway. I’m old) but not everyone is gonna be Queen Latifah and Lauryn Hill. Every movie is not gonna be In the Heat of the Night …some movies are gonna be Fast and Furious 10. Just sayin..

[@herbalrootwoman]

I get what Candace is saying..BUT I dont trust her. Her actions dont match her words and I believe she is grifter.

[@jenisejackson5408]

​@bennieparker4143 . Go check out what she said about Ahmaud Arbery. Start there, then I can give you 10 more horrible takes Candence Owens has said.

[@herbalrootwoman]

@@jenisejackson5408 oh I know what she said about him and about George Floyd. She reminds me of Satan. She gives you JUST enough truth mingled with A LOT lies. I don't trust her.

[@toneyingram732]

Don't believe in a person who go along with racist white people

[@toneyingram732]

​@@bennieparker4143everything

[@da9618]

​@@jenisejackson5408do you mean the fact that she helped raise money for those three defendants who murdered Ahmad Aubrey and dragged Breonna Taylor's name through the mud

[@hustle_simmons]

Candace's message is for conservative white audience. Notice she picked Lauren singing Gospel. At the same age that Lauren was you had The Wu Tang Clan, Mobb Deep, Nas was like 17 or 16 when he started. Candace glosses over that purposely for her messaging. Let's not forget when she was a child 2 Live Crew was a thing. Her message when you look at it from a musical history perspective is incorrect. We've made lewd music for decades. It's pearl clutching to look at rap today and ignore the fact that artists like Lucille Bogan have has sexually explicit lyrics before any of us currently living were born. Before some of our parents and grandparents were born. Candace doesn't know about music. Nor does she care.

[@tiffanywatson8316]

Thank you. Yes, Lauren Hill was applauded for singing that, but plenty of people had problems with when the kids took Messiah and added the Janet part to it.

[@geneerojackson5]

Facts

[@lindastaves5042]

And Lauren singing a song from a movie that crossed over into "wyt" culture.

[@geekylove3603]

There was more variation in the 90s. Anyone around then knows that. Famously Mindnight Marauders and Enter the 36 Chambers was released on the same day. Also. The term "pearl clutching" is extremely disingenuous. There is nothing wrong with having standards for our people.

[@gloriasmith7797]

She's trying to come back home!!. After the falling out with her boss man!!.😂😂

[@oseimwandishi7129]

Republicans have always blamed black culture and imagery for the negative things in this country. She's just updated her references.

[@jackieland6378]

Do you know what political party Abraham Lincoln was part of? You know the North the Union. Mmmmmm

[@oseimwandishi7129]

Yes, and did you you know it was really the Radical Republicans in Congress that pushed for the 13th and 14th amendments. Lincoln was a White Supremacists and that's not a secret. Then in 1877 with the Hayes/ Tillman compromise the Republican party abandoned black folk and welcomed Jim Crow to the south. Save me with your pamphlet talking points. @@jackieland6378

[@sturgemoreland1381]

Abraham Lincoln “I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermingling with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior. I am as much as any other man in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

[@blackpanther5460]

Do you have a point to make??

[@oseimwandishi7129]

@@blackpanther5460 Do you?

[@jaredlhulum]

I believe Candace is a grifter, who has the gift of saying whatever appeals to her targeted listeners Her views go wherever the wind whispers so I expect her views to shift ta whatever beneFITS her

[@kparks318]

Candace is about that hustle. She says stuff that white racist want to hear. Nothing white people love more than a black person who will say negative ish about black people.

[@daily9930]

She is a grifter but she is right. Just like your pastors and church leaders are fake and phony scammers and grifters. I mean your DA's are grifters as well but I guess that does not count because they grifting from the democrates. Your phony Farrakhan is a useless grifter, that former fat tax scammer, that is so skinny now is also a grifter. Your precious fanni sleeping with other peoples husband is also a grifter etc... But they are also lairs that is a the big difference. Candance saw a chance and the jewish community on the right will use her up and spit her out soon enough as Ben shapiro is paying her bills don't get it confused. They are using her to get to the white christians I can see it but Americans are stupid as hell with an IQ below zero. You all are looking for someone to save you instead of saving yourselfs.

[@toneyingram732]

She s making a fool out of white people who will give you evil money for hate and lying

[@wildinblau1189]

That saying about a broken clock being right twice in a day....comes to mind with Candace. Can't forgive what she said about George Floyd.

[@daily9930]

What did she say? That he was a ugly thug, a druggie and a useless bum? Don't forget what he did to that pregnant woman! if she said anything else it wa a lie. You african americans love protecting your bums while they are a menace to society. Look at how they off women 4 to 5 hours and you still want to act like they are hero's hell the off themselves every 15 to 17 minutes. When it comes to this you all are silent but fast to blame the wh*te cop. I hope they set him free as it is an injustice for him to still be locked up. You all are being replaced by latino's because you all are 24/7 complaining about being victims! The democrates even think you are useless that's why Biden said Latino's are the future. 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Keep complaining I see the poverty hitting you all the way in in Europe. The latino's got their turkey for thanksgiving whie you all were to laze to get up early and stand in line 🤣🤣🤣🤣Please stay in the USA as I see to many useless african americans bringing their race issues to europe. You all can't make it in your country o you bring your victim mentality and race nonsense to Europe. Please stay away and solve your issues and leave the rest of the people from african descent alone with your victim mentality. If it was not for wh*te people in the US you all would be no where.

[@juventinocasillas3023]

That loser pointed a gun at a pregnant woman.

[@lv6524]

Stop it with george Floyd. Black folks need better idols.

[@phoenixforce6595]

What do you mean? That dude was a criminal. Wake up.

[@lv6524]

black folks need better idols. just because someone dies does not make him a hero. but seems like the community only like other d**d black folks.

[@shunice0151]

"Articulate speaker of non-facts" That was the perfect characterisation of C. Owens. She helped open my eyes to the fact that just because someone is articulate, it doesn't necessarily mean they are intelligent or knowledgeable. Some people are just good at talking.

[@reneegraham2201]

Amen

[@LWP121]

Maaaaaaaan I dig brother Calloway so much! His mind and the way he articulates things is awesome. I like hearing folks like you and your panelists Prof, who make me go study. Real Talk!

[@ashleycunningham751]

Surprisingly, I agree with Don! He had good points that were dismissed.

[@Chokolatepeach]

THIS 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@DSNCB919]

No he didnt he gives blue no matter who vibes

[@nealmike5490]

I love this Karen keeping them focus on the grand issues not the person or messenger ❤

[@sunshine9717]

I love Karen but this snippet of a video. She was a little harsh on her guest. I really didn't get the point of what Karen was trying to relay. To be honest, the minute Karen mentioned she was going to play whatever point Candace was trying to make. I instantly wanted to vomit and vomit some more. Candace doesn't get a pass. She's done too much damage to speak on anything black.

[@robinharrington8073]

@@sunshine9717 Right! And I told Karen about having this bedwench comments, on her show! It's akin to a kkklan member, "presiding over black history month!" Coondace Owens has no credibility, in the black community! None!!!!

[@socabwai]

Broken clock

[@wr006]

As a possibility, is it likely that she is not 'walking the thin line' or 'walking on a tight rope'; yet, without any willful intent to destroy any group of people, she is doing what is in the best of her interest. Even as she herself - Candice Owens has said (in so many words): As a youngster, her/my initial rejection "was done by other young Black females simply because I Did Not Fit The: Stereotypical Image Of The Said Black Female". Therefore, although Candice Owens herself is indeed a highly intelligent, respectful and well-spoken young woman; yet, she was ridiculed as a youngster by other young Black females as well as other bigoted young Whites. The irony of it all is that even today a number of Black males would assume or presume that she was abused by some Black males (even her biological father) during her earliest younger years.

[@angelalewis6750]

Never going to listen to Owen. I was born in 73 and I listen and love every genre of music. I listen to music in many parts of the world and love it more than anything it makes me happy and Mrs Owens can take a few steps back. One of my favourite rap song is and will always be I Need Love by LL Cool J.

[@gloriasmith7797]

"A people without knowledge of their past history,orgin and culture is like a tree without roots!!!!." ~Marcus Garvey ~

[@kelvinalexander4353]

Killer Mike, who won the Grammy for Best Rap Album (I can't name one song off of it) THIS year is 48. I agree with Karen in such that rap is not a young person's genre any longer. I think we have purist and this "new" thing that the younger generation likes. This entire conversation has stirred me to ask questions of myself internally for sure. I love y'all and I'm Black like dat!🙏🏾✊🏾

[@ReinventingEnergyAndLove]

This was great!!!😊❤ Disagreement with civility. Yet the passion never wavered. I really injoyed this. I get the point, no you're missing the point...., ok now you get the point, but here's the point. I agreed, I disagreed, it was like watching a intellectual tennis match. I did not want it to end.😅😂😊

[@moviegirl8648]

At the end of the day...Owens has no use for BP. Now is she right, yeah, but..She says it to put down BP and to blame and shame BP. She will never discuss WS hand in this.

[@tvs9978]

Perhaps because she believes you are the maker of your own destiny regardless of whatever obstacles otherd may put in your life

[@moviegirl8648]

@@tvs9978 No! She i s a hater of BP and a self-hating BW. She is an agent of WS. When they get through with her, she will NEVER will be welcomed back to the Black community. And I say good!

[@sunshine9717]

​@@tvs9978OK! Rewrite your comment. Then X it out. If you're giving Ms. Oreo a pass. Save it! Most black folks despise her and she'll never have a sit at the table.

[@tvs9978]

@@sunshine9717 oh grow up! And I think you mean "seat" and not "sit. If you can't even refer to her without resorting to racial epithets, well it says more about your lack of character than hers. People like you are what's wrong with the black community today.

[@moviegirl8648]

@@sunshine9717 💯💯💯💯💯

[@earlmccullers9159]

I am now 70 Y.O. been loving all styles of music since I was 7 Y.O. I remember in America when the Brtish Invasion came about when the Beatles showed up. Then the music exs. got together and CREATED a group called the MONKEES, great guys, however, they could not read or write music nor play their instruments, yet in still they were GIVEN a TV Show, a COOL CAR, and merch for the teenyboppers. THAT FORMULA STILL WORKS TODAY, Anybody remember VANILLA ICE?

[@elinstar6034]

I was just remembering the Monkees. 😅

[@anotherpointofview222]

Karen Hunter (Im a K.Hunter too). Thanks for sharing your insight. It shines through like light. Sometimes light shines in darkness but the darkness doesn't comprehend. But we perservere, with patience, persistence and humilty. Love will conquer hate.

[@Wideout4]

Candace and Ice Spice are more similar than she thinks (Plants)

[@lisas9462]

ooh!

[@9mod9]

That's a lie

[@yvonnedozier5468]

Know your true self inward is the journey. You are a very powerful being.

[@LWP121]

🤣🤣🤣 Prof, said "I didn't know which was pink." Lol!! Mam!

[@KarenHunterShow]

just having a lil fun with Don.

[@greenbyrd3665]

I agree with Candace on this particular issue. Maybe, right message, wrong messenger. As for Don's take, it's a definite nah for me. Yes, disagreements between the generations are as old as time, but something different is happening now. Songs with racy or even vulgar lyrics were available as "party' records for adult consumption. They were not played on the radio and certainly not available in the palm of your hand as they are today. Don was practically twisting himself into a pretzel trying to defend what passes for "art" today. We have become desensitized to disgusting behavior. If we follow that logic, what's next? Sex on stage? One on one? Orgies? We are in a race to the bottom. Music isn't the only cause, but it is contributing to the coursening of the culture. The impact is felt across the community. If you doubt it, just talk to our classroom teachers. They are leaving in droves.

[@beaujac311]

What are you talking about? I remember Ice Cube promoting one of those malt liquor brands on the radio in the late 80's early 90's talking about St. Ides will make your jimmy fat. Also you can go back 100 years and and hear lewd blues music before there were ever any TV or radio. Could you imagine what they were saying about that music then and the fall of society? Yes you can because they are saying the same thing today. kzbin.info/www/bejne/op-XfoOaq9OeeZI&ab_channel=LucilleBogan-Topic

[@BetterMe981]

That's because Don has a teenager. He can't just come out here talking smack about today's music/artists. He needs peace at home.

[@greenbyrd3665]

@@BetterMe981 😁You may be right, but unfortunately we can't always be our children's friend. Sometimes, a parent has to be the "bad guy" and lead.

[@Victoria-tc5cm]

Nothing is " classy" in the music of today. I was born in the same era as Teacher& professor Hunter and music then meant a lot. Some of us still understand the struggles that came along with the soul of 50-70s music 🎶 ( my daddy's records)! 😅

[@beaujac311]

I made a post to the initial comment here and I assume that KZbin did not like it. I get prompted by KZbin that someone else has responded to these comments, yet my comment has disappeared. I wonder if it disappeared because I provided links to some old bawdy blues records? If that is the case and YT did that then why does YT have those songs on their platform for consumption?

[@KatishiaG]

15:19 Are they losing their teeth?! 😂😂😂

[@troyg2458]

The popular black music artists of today, are more hustlers than artists. They promote a kind of musical hot take, not much art is involved. Now Candace Ownes is saying something here. She is referencing Lauren Hill, and true heart felt black music that she grew up on. However, none of those artists would agree with her on anything because those artists are rooted in blackness. This Breakfast club audience, is all over the map culturally and politically. She knows that and her party knows that. So even though she thinks the Ice Spice`s of the world are the downfall of the culture. They are indeed the simpletons, that she and her party can convert.

[@Camie.in.Philly]

As much as I hate today's music, I can't blame them for the decline of this country. The younger Generations have always rebelled against society Indian music. Everything we're saying about them is what our parents said about us. I think Candace Owens forgets that she used to wear booty shorts, halter tops and thongs ride along with the rest of us. If you're going to talk about the past talk about all of it.

[@gregoryhoward7594]

I get what you are saying. It took me a while, but I understood the point once you talked about the whole MAGA movement. You are right. Rap is no longer a youth culture. Karen, you are on point!!! He is missing the point because he is focused on Ice Spice. A lot of people miss points because they focus on a figure.

[@mcclendonreport]

Karen you detected the crux of what Candace said. And yes Don was far afield from that reality. Great insight, Karen.

[@yvonnedozier5468]

One energy we are all connected go inward, not outward

[@floydg16]

You brought up the fact of the level of talent of a Ice Spice. I was listening to SiriusXM and I heard a song by Roxanne Shante. I think it was called Big Mama. This is not hatin on young artists but there was a gulf in between the talent of Roxanne and what we heard in the fart song of Ice Spice. Then we see her coming to the Superbowl with Taylor Swift and I have to wonder who feeding us this. Name me an Ice Spice song. I only know about her being naked on stage. Sadly thats all I get from a majority of these new artists.

[@langston122]

She's wack.

[@rtwo4570]

Man, I love this conversation. This makes me miss having SXM and being able to call in but I appreciate these clips.

[@KarenHunterShow]

thank you!

[@davidmolina7543]

I thoroughly enjoyed this, relevant and cogent and honestly raw conversation.

[@jimmyrayford2944]

Broken clock right twice per day- what do I do with broken clocks? Throw them in the trash and get a clock that tells the right time all the time! I have no interest in Candace and anything she says - even if I happen to agree with something she says. The point she is making is not novel in any way whatsoever- black people who truly love black people authentically make this point all the time! So, eff Candace forever plus one day! As far as the point that we have let our culture, self respect and self image slip in ways that show up in entertainment, yes, I agree and we should be pushing back on all fronts against it! But not with Candace (in case I wasn’t clear)! 😂

[@tulsacaupain2882]

Not whit Candace.

[@charles6724]

You simply cannot separate the message from the messenger....especially when it comes from grifters. Two people can say the exact same words from opposite political ideologies and they mean different things. One statement does not represent a shift.

[@amakisi]

I agree with Brother Don. We have short memories. There was legislation on the table, talk shows, and political debates around the violent and sexual content in rap. We are offended by the description of genitalia when rappers were bragging about running trains on unsuspecting Black women in the 80s. Historical context matters. We can easily go back and read the lyrics of Clara Smith, Alberta Hunter (You can’t tell the difference after dark), Lucille Bogan (Shave ‘Em Dry), etc all scandalous at the time. Blues and jazz was used to criminalize and morally deject a whole generation of young Black folks. Grifters like Candace use low hanging fruit to get Black folks on their side.

[@wraithx7]

Candace Owens is right sometimes and this is one of those times. That all being said, she is more wrong then right due to her being blindly loyal the Republican Party and to far Right conservative ideology. And for the record, my opinion of her would still be the same if she was a liberal Democrat who was blindly loyal to the Democratic Party and far Left liberal ideology.

[@beaujac311]

Candace Owens is not blindly loyal to the republican party, she's blindly loyal to the money that she makes grifting for the republican party.

[@ioniajones2069]

DAMN!!!! I wanted to see where this was going!!! I miss my Sirius/EXM acct. I love these clips!!!

[@donaldwhite5345]

She best not ever come to Jersey... 🤬

[@Camie.in.Philly]

Or Philly😂😂

[@nealmike5490]

She's still a black woman hasn't done anything criminal nor does she have power.

[@Victoria-tc5cm]

That part😂

[@truckerette]

Thanks Karen! I wanted to comment so bad that I posted on your post yesterday that had nothing to do about the conversation. Oops, but I wholeheartedly agree with Don, yesterday and today. Candace doesn't care nothing about community in my opinion, she only says things that will entertain her base.

[@1hotshon]

It's all AI & Algorithms!! This is why the Usher Bowl is greatly celebrated and appreciated! Candace is a chaos agent so sprinkling truth into her fiction should always be at the front of our critical thinking process in regards to ANYTHING she's saying.

[@cathyscornerstone]

This may be an unpopular opinion based on the comments that I have read. This conversation was very frustrating because I understood the direction that Ms. Hunter was going in and Mr. Calloway was not in a head space to understand because of who the messenger, Candace Owens, is. I was born in 1973 so I have watched the evolution of Hip Hop in real time. I believe the issue is that if older black people from that genre say Ice Spice, Glorilla, and Sexy Red are debaucherous, then that would also mean that Dr. Dre, Too Short, Lil' Kim, NWA, Geto Boys, 2 Live Crew, Biggie, (you get it), are also debaucherous. Let's be clear and not in our feelings about this, the lyrical content IS NOT good for black society. The prophet, C. Delores Tucker, tried to warn our parents of our future if they allowed us to keep listening to the lyrical content that was being produced. My generation, me included, said sit your old a$$ down, you don't know what you're talking about. But here we are. We have to admit that there was a golden age of Hip Hop, pre 2 Live Crew, that was a beautiful mix of party, revolutionary, warning, neighborhood recognition and beef, and real-life story telling as cautionary tales. Post 2 Live Crew we end up here. The problem is that we don't want to accept our part in where music is right now because we funded the whole machine. I can't tell you how many times my male elders would say how can you dance to music where they are calling women "b1t3hes" and I would say they ain't talking about me. I have 13 grandchildren and I get sick to my stomach at the things that are available as music now. We now have a genre of demonic rap. If you don't believe me, look at and listen to Playboi Carti. Let's be clear, the beats today are fire, pure fire! They always are, that's how we get trapped. We can't let a song go because the beat makes our body feel a certain way, meanwhile our brain is being corrupted by a lyrical genocide. If we can't get past our feelings on this small issue of music, we will NEVER be able to tackle the real bigger issues. Black people are not a monolith and we never have been so I understand that this subject will never really get fully resolved. Mr. Calloway, respectfully, get out of your feelings and be open to having a real conversation about where we, our children and grandchildren, are going mentally. I would love to actually see Ms. Hunter and Mrs. Owens have a sit-down conversation. I believe it would be brilliant and beneficial. Our elders knew how to sit down and have healthy debate. It feels like a lost art now because we have made blackness ALMOST occultic now. Peace and blessings, keep doing what you are doing Ms. Hunter.

[@ravenstone366]

Thomas Sowell books are all amazing as trying to hear all sides, Douglas Murray books understands the dynamics also. GenX here its hard for anyone to have a discussion, debate or critical thinking here. An with our Enemies sorry don't want to live as North Korea or China rule and next-generation will lay it at the prideful feet for not finding solutions and putting them into action. Just my opinion matters not whether read or used in stepping back and looking at the whole picture. Who's game are we playing and what is their end goal. Either way absolutely ever American won't like the goal they have planned for us. We will all have to live where ever the chips will fall.

[@cmcdoo38]

Amazing conversation on todays talent..or lack there of

[@cedricmilliner123]

Hey Greetings We Have No Time For SILLYNESS" We've Been Moved On From Her n' Other So Called TOKENS that's not For BLACK PEOPLE Enjoy Peace ✌

[@BennilocoLoves]

FACT!

[@thereddude49]

There's no redemption for Candice Owens

[@kareydavis]

Love these intellectual spirited conversations

[@jamalwest7658]

ok half of y'all who wanna act like Ice Spice is the trojen horse to the downfall of black people, still aint giving up your R. Kelly collection. And did everyone forget that 2 Live crew and lil Kim, existed in the 90's ?

[@danettechavis]

Karen, you right! I since "a shift" in Candace Owens as well. I'm just waiting to see where she's going with this! Truth be told, the are NUMEROUS shifts occurring and not all are apparent. Yet. But we will look up one day and "one day soon" and wonder how the hell did we get here?

[@aliciaknott8109]

Don Calloway couldn't put his bias asides. You can agree with message and still not like the messenger. I agreed with the messenger and I agree that Owens might be turning. Turning to what remains to be seen.

[@michaelmaps2004]

You are very correct. I don't like Candace at all but i agree with her on this one. That guy allowed his biases to cloud his judgment

[@ioniajones2069]

I don't agree with her!!!! I SEE WHAT SHE'S DOING!!!!😮 I KNOW WHAT SHE'S DONE!!!😮

[@BlindMellowJelly]

Candice is a master. A foul and discredited master but a master still. Now the larger African immigrant community always sides with the GOP. They do not want to be known as black so its a win win. Candice is many african folks hero. There is a whole other factor to consider.

[@cathylewis3967]

Great conversation!

[@KarenHunterShow]

thank you, Cathy.

[@anonmitty8250]

Based on what I heard, it appears as if she stated that black people are the cause of the demise, whilst Don said the elders were always against the changing of music. who was putting this vile music out there then? Mostly Caucasian executive. why not blame them?

[@fredastringer3586]

There it is.

[@briandyer2090]

IT'S amazing how word play can change the perception of people regardless of their actions..

[@yvonnedozier5468]

I’m a interior designer, I create illusions outward, is illusions

[@marcusbrown4668]

The messenger doesn’t change the message in being wrong. This isn’t much different than what Delores Tucker was saying in the 90s.

[@andreabrown4541]

I disagree. Delores Tucker absolutely believed that gangsta rap was a fiction created by white men though marketed by and to black people, especially in black men. That's why she and Melba Moore and another black woman bought stock in the white music industry just to sit at the table to effect policy. Owens just wants to shit on black folks. As a supporter of Tucker, pls don't put Owens in the same category as Tucker. She doesn't compare. Dionne Warwick was the other black woman.

[@geekylove3603]

Was Tucker as influential as Spice is today? I've never heard of Tucker.

[@MelissaFortune]

Agreed sis. He missed the point because he wanted to miss the point

[@michaelcole8553]

There aren't any more ORIGINAL BLACK SINGERS! We have been diluted and polluted "AS A PEOPLE" and have simply loss our greatness with each passing generation....😑😑😑

[@Imustbefromanotherplanet]

CANDACE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING WRONG!!! I don't always agree with her but I do most of the time. Keep speaking the truth Candace.

[@msgemsgems]

I agree with Candace on many things.

[@punnymoney3692]

Same! She says stuff we don't wanna admit! Like... The black nuclear family is important or "the majority of abortions are of black and brown people"!! She exposed BLM and the Democrat party who is throwing us under the bus right now with their NEW voting block of immigrants!! lol They don't NEED us anymore!!

[@valeriewinters8079]

That just stupidity he's RIGHT ON POINT (SMH) 🤔👍🏿

[@yvonnedozier5468]

This is a spiritual journey wake up Black people

[@judahamen-ra940]

"Articulate speaker of non facts"😮

[@phebewilson386]

It went right over his head thanks for this beautiful discussion

[@RCCrosby]

How do you Identify: GEOGRAPHICALLY CULTURALLY GENETICALLY

[@stanleywatson8292]

For once in my life, I agree with Candace Owens.

[@Jimaction1]

Even a broke clock ⏰️ is right twice a day... I'm not ready to put on a cape for Candace Owen but she has a good point.

[@lovetop11]

If Candace tells me the sky is blue, l will question, analyze, and come to that conclusion by myself. Thanks!

[@nealjohnson5059]

Is it possible to hear the message and ignore the messenger. I know in my life time it has been the case.

[@hellicaboykins3574]

I totally agree with Candace Owens hands down.....I'm getting afraid for myself...lol!!

[@nealmike5490]

She very astute too bad she wants to belong to Caucasian society

[@karenl7786]

I agree with the brother to an extent, except whose culture is it in which the youth and the elders are always attacking each other? It is in fact a norm specific to a particular cultural heritage. And rap started with the youth because it was a resurgence and regained appreciation for our continuous struggle, after a series of blows that left their parents and grandparents' generation reeling. After all, those kids learned that revolutionary spirit from somewhere and someone.

[@angelahayes6656]

I totally agree with him and everything he said

[@soulasysthem6264]

That sounded like a real Joyful Valentine's Day convention.🥂

[@shaddozer0ne115]

She is saying what the hiphop community has been screaming about since the end of conscious rap. She late. First, Candace can keep her opinion about what black music sounded like back then as she threw away that allowance the moment she endorsed white nationalist viewpoints.

[@Grimloxz]

I’d say you seem easily impressed with this woman.

[@KarenHunterShow]

you don't know me...at all. booo-hissss to this comment.

[@RogueAutumn]

Don’t really care about Candace Owens, but I would like to address the part about identifying as Black. I feel that Black should be reserved only for those who are victims of cultural discontinuity, thus being left with nothing else besides the Black identity that was imposed on them.

[@Motownphillysk1]

Karen is giving her too much credit! We lost her a long time ago Karen!

[@KarenHunterShow]

I'm not.

[@timinitiator]

Did you think Owens statement is directed towards the black community consciousness? And if so for what purpose?

[@jeannieves6275]

I was watching that powerful Moment in 1968✊🏾

[@pamelahamilton2525]

At some point in time, Candace Owens will not even be on history's radar😊 Her short "claim to fame" 🤥🙄 is just a sign of the times😮

[@Mr._Johns_Productions]

Don't that woman, we could always agree with Mrs. Owens. She is a great speaker, she is speaking truth this time & most times. We seen her household cannot support ✊

[@jadanmiorke7378]

So disappointed in this black man defending his kids enjoying ratchet culture

[@khalilshabazz6374]

I fully understand and agree 👍 with the Doctor on this one

[@Davidpleasure]

I’m not a total Candace fan. But I think she’s right on this one

[@JuhaNoerger]

"...an articulate speaker of non-facts"- that is lovely!

[@PENPAL555]

HELL NO! I dont agree w/ THE RENT-A- CANDICE !!!!

[@kecia6545]

Candice is right on our music. We know that is happening. She is not our rep, but she is right.

[@kmitchelljd]

This is a "good black" vs "bad black" thing... dismiss dismiss dismiss

[@Al_lloyd]

Never trust a snake oil salesperson, that's how they get you.

[@RBaileyEl]

She spoke the truth! Bottom line. Like her or not.

[@missymiss2357]

Eadier to call someone a grifter than factually disprove their claims.

[@utamannautam2391]

This is exactly what Candace has been saying since but it’s just now you guys are realizing what she is saying.

[@langston122]

She has a point I can't believe I'm agreeing with her .🤔🤔🤔🎵