Karl Malone and John Stockton never won an NBA championship. Here's what left them empty-handed.

Karl Malone and John Stockton might just be the best duo in NBA history to fall short of winning it all. That might even extend to all major pro sports. They had all the stats and all the individual acclaim, and they had all that with a franchise that won consistently for almost two straight decades. This episode of Untitled examines why, despite a basically ideal situation, two of history’s greatest players couldn’t bring Utah even one NBA championship.
There isn’t one simple answer. From the late 1980s to the mid 1990s, Utah never made it out of the Western Conference playoffs for a rotating carousel of reasons: Sometimes it was failure in the clutch, sometimes it was an unstoppable opposing star like Hakeem Olajuwon, sometimes it was missing players in crucial moments. Sometimes it was all of the above.
In the late 1990s, the Jazz finally made a couple NBA Finals against Michael Jordan and the Jazz. They lost both, of course, but neither of those losses was a foregone conclusion. Both came down to little twists of fate and momentary greatness.
This is a heartbreaking tale; it’s year after year of “almost”. But gazing upon the sheer volume of that almost-perfection helps one appreciate how consistently great Stockton and Malone were ... even if they never achieved the ultimate reward for their collective greatness.
Directed and edited by Ryan Simmons
Motion graphics by Michael Das
Written and produced by Seth Rosenthal
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[@HarryRedmond45]

Beef history: Karl Malone vs Age of consent

[@georgedudleysashtray3860]

Lmao

[@eyeconqueror1185]

Lol

[@desean3402]

Spira Ognew 🤣☠️☠️

[@ndegwa7963]

@Florian Held The same way Elvis did

[@eyeconqueror1185]

N'Degwa Omg this Elvis thing again. Wow other people are horrible too? Whoa dude, thanks for the enlightening comments

[@MikeM-np4od]

Short Answer: MJ Long Answer: Michael Jeffery Jordan.

[@benperez8291]

Mike M couldn’t have said it better. Ahha

[@I9IIEIIYIIEIIS]

Jordan played 13 seasons in the NBA. Without Scottie Pippen Jordan won Zero.

[@cheeseonyomama]

Right? How the hell is this a 25 minute video? Lmao

[@arthurvaldepena8244]

Actually the spurs and lakers where giving them a hard time they only had back to back finals 97-98 and that its jordan just stop them in the those two finals

[@seoulting28]

Jeffrey*

[@georgewilson06]

Malone calling his teammates “kids” was probably his version of a compliment

[@efeercelik5811]

John Stockton has evolved into an elite shot-blocker

[@nihalmonu6809]

Lmao well played

[@loserboypro]

Nice

[@Blastback8]

I see what you did there

[@vigneshsubramanian2511]

I didn't get it

[@memediff3475]

​@@vigneshsubramanian2511he's antivaxx so he doesn't want those vaccine shots

[@GinkgoPete]

I love how Stockton has ALWAYS looked like he is in his mid 40s

[@kb4231]

Lol

[@YaBoiZackbannedmefordissent]

I love clips of their first season together. Karl! How youthful and vigorous you look! And John... Riiiiiight.

[@BeefPapa]

Never aged a day

[@duncanmcdonald8726]

caruso of the 90’s

[@fourtwenty1813]

Stockton has looked 45 since 1988

[@ninjalo3752]

"The mailman don't deliver on Sunday."-Scottie Pippen.

[@tren35]

Every fan poster I ever saw coming back from commercial break on Sunday when NBA on NBC ran from late 80's and entire 90's when Malone played on the Road. I can't believe Pippen tried to take credit for that.

[@SonSolo]

That was a regular trash talk phrase back in the day, way before Pippen used it.

[@epicprince8196]

hahahahahahahaha

[@gabriel1095]

Soloson Yeah but Scottie used it so brilliantly

[@reignman40boozer5]

Apparently they don't call goal tending on Sundays either.. 22:23

[@matthewprioli-baader8451]

Showtime Lakers, Bird's Celtics, Bad Boy Pistons, 2x 3-Peat Bulls, Hakeem's Rockets, Shaq/Kobe Lakers, and Duncan's Spurs. Those were the teams that won in those 18 years. Incredible.

[@SixerIverson04]

1999 was their chance

[@patton303]

As a Nuggets fan, I had the pleasure of seeing the Jazz quite a few times. I would pretty much watch Stockton the whole game and he would just grind guys down and get under their skin until they gave up. It was a pleasure to watch.

[@dbsasuke]

Before watching the video: MJ After watching the video: free throws

[@TheDani218]

I had that exact thought lol

[@sku36]

@@TheDani218 same here thanks guys

[@Ja.floppa]

@@sku36 get aired bum

[@fortyinch]

Same thoughts here. MJ era. But not gona lie. I was always secretly rooting for them (jazz) i loved hornacek too when i was kid.

[@dantehaskell5688]

Free throws and mj

[@10mangakid]

The answer: the mail man doesn’t deliver on Sunday

[@MrRastaclutch90]

10mangakid 😂😂😂😂😂🤦🏽‍♂️

[@ardenaudreyarji]

Mail man delivers to a 13 year old kid.

[@10mangakid]

Ambi Dextrose your honor that ass don’t look 13 though, it looked 16

[@parkerxjr]

Scottie Pippen

[@aroobism]

😂

[@GinkgoPete]

New Beef history idea : John Stockton vs Scientific evidence.

[@CUBSfan7364]

Sucks to see it happen. These past couple of days have been a whirlwind in the nba

[@GinkgoPete]

@@CUBSfan7364 I always thought he was a good and smart dude. Thanks for shattering that illusion john :(

[@internetperson5445]

I'd like to personally thank Michael Jordan someday for not letting him and malone win a ring

[@SmoothCriminal12]

He a Covid denier or something?

[@cabexus]

@@SmoothCriminal12 antivaxxer

[@DrJohnnyJ]

Look at their centers. They were like West and Baylor in the 60's. Sloan was a great match for them. Tough as nails.

[@ReTheMi]

How Stockton never made a defensive first team while being the all time career steals leader is absurd to me

[@StierSage]

Defense isn’t always about steals lmao

[@lawrencesmith5661]

Because he plays the lane alot and back door u that's how he got his steals it's not like he will lock u down one on one

[@davidtalany2153]

@@paulfeasal6024 those other players you named played a different position than Stockton. As a PG he deserved to go to an defensive 1st team at least once. Give me a break.

[@nuckymancini7013]

Stockton was GRIMEY (*PERIOD)

[@rashb3994]

@@davidtalany2153 I would agree at least once make it. Stockton was scrappy as hell on D. Aside from that I love that he was a PG that actually set screens.

[@bigsoulja73]

Stockton is incredibly overhated nowadays. You don’t just accidentally have two all time records.

[@BlackFlash7]

By a wide margin at that

[@drewsmith4452]

@@muhammadfarhan581 Or the Jazz for that matter.

[@realcoachescorner3503]

Under appreciated you mean. Real hoopers know the deal though...his ratings in steals and assists speak for themself

[@realcoachescorner3503]

@@muhammadfarhan581 and then the spurs ran off their best player in the Klaw smh.

[@Creapture]

@Drik McGough Because those records require brains.

[@CYMotorsport]

“Other Malone for a different Jeff” x games writing

[@elchichosantana6410]

I am a Celtics fan but when I played NBA Live 95 in the 90s. When I created a custom team, My first 5 were Parish, McHale, Bird, Jordan and Stockton. I always love Stockton.

[@jayvilla6277]

Find yourself someone who loves you like Seth loves Antoine Carr

[@SecretBaseSBN]

BIG DOGGGGGGGG

[@justalittlebitmo]

Big Dawwwwg! 😂

[@peterhuang780]

20:05 For anyone who's looking for it :)

[@reggiefurlow1]

The most unlikeable duo ever

[@selfishstockton6123]

reggie furlow no

[@Madvillainy48]

"Why Stockton and Malone never won a title?" Short Answer: The Goat Long Answer: Eddie Johnson

[@bigb2610]

Short Answer: MJ. Long answer: Prime 80's Lakers, Prime 90's Portland, Houston Rockets, Sonic's and the greatest Bulls team ever with the 🐐

[@ngajb7323]

Medium answer: Clyde Drexler, who was at Houston in "their year"... lmao

[@skymam4343]

Ngaj B Hakeem?

[@radalexander7160]

Malone lost against other people more than he did against MJ. And when he did play against MJ he choked more times than not. I can't remember off the top of my head but he's lost a series with HCA more than any other all time player I think. He's just overrated af lol

[@Alientcp]

The real answer is that most teams going to the playoffs were champion material. The final results were always left to players ability to remain cool in the final moments, the ones who fumbled lost. The jazz almost always fumble, Thats why chicago has 6 rings, MJ wouldnt fumble in key games.

[@liamfarthing808]

Seths love of Kevin Duckworths shot is so wholesome

[@rpgroome]

I think that their basic problem is that they just weren’t quite good enough. Most of the time they were good for about 55 wins and third to fifth rank in a very deep Western Conference, and while they theoretically could have broken through and won it one of those years, the odds weren’t in their favour. When they got up to 60 plus wins and became more of a true championship calibre team they fell to an historically great Bulls team, in back to back 6 game series.

[@JTmakesfunofdiabled-hs9kh]

I don't think a difference of 4-5 regular season wins makes you a legitimate contender lol.

[@jameskreisler6083]

Love how Malone is the all time leader in FT but never could hit the big ones

[@vernonleewarren280]

Truth!

[@georgia_boi_0450]

Mailman doesn’t deliver on Sundays 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@eghoseisiramen1892]

@Roger Edgerton well clearly not big enough

[@Threezus17]

@@georgia_boi_0450 Scottie Pippen 💀😂

[@Ahch_not_op_of_Judah]

Georgia_boi_04 😂

[@andreastoprac337]

"Why didn't Karl Malone and John Stockton win a ring" Michael Jordan: Allow me to introduce myself

[@jamisonr]

Yea pretty much. Next video.

[@YoungOddo]

Goes for pretty much every 90s star other than Hakeem and drexler

[@joshuasanchez9093]

Exactly what I was thinking. Lol

[@ydcagu5769]

@@YoungOddo yup only 4 teams won champions in the 90s,

[@weirdheriawan]

Karl Malone: Allow me to shoot a Free Throws...

[@huaiyuqiao1787]

absolutely loving this series and this Jazz one is the best of them! one tiny mistake at 17:55 it should be Jeff who threw the pass to Malone and messed up

[@orenyehezkel9561]

Nicely done!!! like watching a paid documentary but even better had me at the edge of my sit through the whole thing. Karl Malone and John Stockton what legends!!! especially Stockton, some assist and steal records that will never be broken. Yeah, your suggestion was better than you tube's :) thumbs up!!!

[@213GONZALEZ1]

When I heard 18 seasons of making the playoffs with no title wins my eyes went 😳

[@austin1470]

It’s somehow impressive and yet at the same time depressing

[@nohbuddy1]

When half the teams make the playoffs it isn't shocking

[@austinpoll]

Same here 😵🤠😟🤒😪

[@leonardoyi3183]

@Briscoe17555 basically the jazz and malone/stockton weren't good enough...they had good oportunities to win, and they wasted them. 1999 When Jordan Retired, 1994-95 when jordan retired. 1990 when the Pistons won against the blazers. Malone is a bit overrated for me, and stockton, at least for me, wasn't aggresive enough as a scorer as he should have.

[@leonardoyi3183]

@Briscoe17555 where did I say malone wasn't aggresive as a scorer? i said he was overrated and that stockton was the one who wasn't aggresive enough as a scorer

[@mnelly6877]

What left John Stockton untitled: Most people : *MJ* Me: *Eddie Johnson*

[@crapstergd8290]

Nice one mike (korzemba)

[@moileung]

Who is Eddie Johnson?

[@crapstergd8290]

@@moileung look at mike's new vid

[@andyho5518]

9f

[@GaboxRox15]

@@crapstergd8290 that's the wrong Eddie Johnson, even though he is mentioned in Mike's video

[@pablor3138]

Great documentary. Stellar job

[@konasavage]

This video is amazing, thank you.

[@ja8ames]

Yes Michael Jordan, but also the Western Conference was *extremely* competitive during the 90s. Any given year, there'd be 4 to 6 legitimate contenders, so just getting to the Bulls was a huge task.

[@ssj2p425]

ja8ames what other team ?

[@ja8ames]

@@ssj2p425 What other teams in the West? Portland, Phoenix, Houston, Seattle, San Antonio.

[@LordBranniganThe]

Exactly, it’s not like they were going to the finals every year & got beaten by the Bulls. They made it twice and that’s it.

[@radalexander7160]

@@LordBranniganThe Exactly. Jordan stopped them twice. What about the other decade of losing / choking that Malone did?

[@Blade-hf9po]

So basically those teams were so focused on beating each other that when they got to MJ they had no energy left.

[@sergiofabrietti9960]

"Why Stockton and Malone never won a title?" Short answer: Jordan Long answer: Michael Jordan

[@bcallero]

Hahaha! Exactly.

[@BennyNegroFromQueens]

You mispelled David Stern and Tim Donaghy.

[@thlee3]

you stole this comment

[@khpitbos17]

Longer answer: I didn’t watch the video. You think Jordan beating the Jazz twice was the reason they didn’t win out of 18 tries.

[@sergiofabrietti9960]

@@thlee3 I swear to God I didnt

[@ViLLAiN_2004]

Nice Documentary...

[@awingman469]

Great video

[@airpegasus5167]

Damn The Jazz’s GM At The Time Was Brilliant. These Two Weren’t Even Top 10 Draft Picks . Talk About Finding Gems Or An Eye For Talent.

[@drewsmith4452]

*Cough Cough* Donovan Mitchell at 13. *Cough Cough* Rudy Gobert at 27.

[@TokyoBalletReprise]

Drew Smith Nuggets drafted then*

[@drewsmith4452]

@@TokyoBalletReprise Drafted Mitchell for the Jazz. A deal was already in place before draft night started. As for Gobert the Jazz sent cash and Erick Green to Denver for Gobert. So the Jazz flat out fleeced the Nuggets on the Gobert trade.

[@jacobcope2740]

Air Pegasus that’s frank layden for ya

[@jaron312]

He was good not brilliant

[@seano8729]

Malone: "What are you thinking?" Also Malone: *shoots 3-8 from the line*

[@korda5471]

MJ.

[@bruhyougottachill6665]

@@korda5471 Your Mom.

[@korda5471]

@@bruhyougottachill6665 that dosent make sense you 3rd grader

[@bruhyougottachill6665]

@@korda5471 ok lol LeBum fan

[@korda5471]

When was I a LeBum fan? I’m just messing around going to different comments saying the reason they didn’t win a title was from MJ.

[@enanebres6481]

Amazing video

[@thomasreithmeier5405]

When you say 18 seasons, that surprised me a lot. Like the Spurs 5 chip dynasty made the playoffs over 20 years under Pop. So, Utah is simply snake-bitten

[@jaywaz680]

Stockton deserves more respect. Two records that are unreachable, Fantastic durability in a rough and tough era, Gary Payton one of the best guard defenders ever said he was the hardest to guard. He is THE point guard every team would want.

[@dripfield]

Jay Waz Preach

[@perrystuart8035]

he's not black.

[@doc8187]

Perry Stuart ok and?

[@jaywaz680]

Perry Stuart What does that have to do with him being a legend?

[@KWCline91]

Perry Stuart that’s a bad statement. Neither was Steve Nash or Jason Kidd and they’re in the Hall of Fame.

[@fatmanjonestv7143]

I'm glad Dirk will never be in one of these lol

[@cluhbin6757]

That's different tho Dirk carried they had threats across the board

[@aroobism]

FSx CloS not really his supporting cast was garbage for many years

[@aroobism]

But cp3 will

[@cluhbin6757]

@@aroobism isn't that what carried means?

[@aroobism]

FSxCluhBin . I read it wrong I just saw they had threats across the board and I was like hold up

[@ZackyDaley]

This hurts as a jazz fan but glad it's getting a good video

[@migmor6718]

I am fitty years young and the NBA was so amazing during the 80’s and 90’s I never their would get washed down the way it has,then again all sports have changed.

[@isaiahbowers3712]

Reporter: What did you say to Karl before those free throws? Pipen: Oh, I told him the mailman don't deliver on Sundays. Pivotal moment in my life learning how to be a straight up savage with words.

[@sbaugous]

@AnEn we get it you're a jazz fan

[@metalsadman]

@AnEn he had the right to be mad at jackson not giving him that play when he was the man during that season lol. 2nd fiddle yes, he accepted that role when jordan was there and look how he got those shiny 6 rings on a 2 three peat while others so called "greats" don't even have one lmao.

[@ralx225b]

@AnEn Malone had Stockton, when Jordan left Pippen didn't have anyone. He had a budding Toni Kukoc but realistically he didn't have anyone and the Bulls only dropped a couple of games. Pippen accomplished a lot for someone who had just been given the reigns out of the blue, he led the team in every statistical category and finished 3rd in MVP voting and one bad call away from potentially making the finals. Sounds good to me.

[@jaykluesy]

Or be like Mike and ignore clever and just bluntly attack a man like 23 did to muggsy bougs . Wrecked his career with 5 words ,muggsy was never the same .

[@jeremyargha9086]

@@ralx225b Pippen lost in semi finals not the conference finals.

[@johnnykarate_SweepLeg]

When not mowing the lawn, washing his minivan and going to bible study... John Stockton was an elite NBA player.

[@joshuaharris5032]

The Mormon Mamba

[@cchisolm92cc]

@@joshuaharris5032 😂😂😂😂

[@chadleylew]

He’s not even Mormon lol

[@kenrickeason]

I seen what you did there..

[@joshuaharris5032]

Chad Lewis obviously not but Utah is a Mormon state bruh why do I have to explain this joke to you lol

[@ronhargrove1176]

Those all purple jazz jerseys are gorgeous

[@MerkhVision]

U should list the background music used in the video in the description! I especially liked the music that’s playing in 16:42

[@Fredwoode]

Man the Reggie Miller Pacer's one is gonna break my heart.

[@JayTechZM]

One of my all-time favorite players😩

[@johnnyrottenpiss]

@Aronjo I watched many a game between Jordan and Reggie. Reggie disrupted the Bulls. Never had the team like Michael did. Once Scottie established himself on that team everybody knew it was over. Reggie was (and probably still is) a stellar player and shooter. Very frustrating single opponent.

[@BoxOfOranges84]

I'm already in my feelings just thinking about it 😥

[@AbdFattah]

@Jeff Pryce Secret Nation guys (& Clara) should read your comment for ideas on Reggie's untitled.

[@Criminalpresident45]

@Jeff Pryce reggie last season was 2005 but yea he didnt have enough help to win a championship

[@onjohns1]

Jazz fan here. “There’s no shame in how things turned out.” Yes, there is. The Jazz blew SO many opportunities.

[@luke83rj]

It’s really unbelievable how the Jazz lost so many opportunities in very close decisive games throughout the years. He forgot to mention that series against the Blazers in 99, when the Jazz barely lost game 2 with Stockton having a layup that went in and out. In my opinion, 99 was the year for the Jazz to win the title, but they let Chris Morris and Antoine Carr leave.

[@Redmenace96]

I am 56, this year. Is everyone watching Secret Base vids about the NBA the same age, or older? Akeem in Houston, Barkley, Drexler, Kemp, Ewing,and of course Celtics, Lakers, and Bulls... Jeez. So many great games which I have forgotten. Stockton and Malone were sublime. I'm going to YT full games for the rest of the day.

[@diobrando1501]

That Stockton buzzer beater. I felt that

[@bradennye2411]

I'm not a Jazz fan but these videos low key hit me in the feels

[@joecook5689]

You're an honorary

[@drewsmith4452]

I am a Jazz fan (not to mention a Minnesota Vikings fan). All I know is pain. Although, we do have a bright future with Gobert and Mitchell. Brightest since Stockton and Malone.

[@drewsmith4452]

@@King_Conn I didn't say they were going to be. What I'm saying is that with a few more years under their belt, Mitchell and Gobert will probably have what it takes to get the Jazz to the Finals. I was just saying that this current era of Jazz basketball is the best since Stockton and Malone.

[@Fen4732]

​@@drewsmith4452Well unfortunately they're now gone, but we have an even brighter future with Markannen and the picks we have

[@Hamid-ve6zw]

If you dont do Allen Iverson, I will eat my chair right here right now

[@macewbee]

Same here

[@Mr.Sax.]

Iverson had one successful season and he wanted to win it all, all by himself. Problem was, Kobe and Shaq were not going to lose to one man. THE END

[@jameswu6440]

Don't do Allen Iverson. Let him eat his chair. Then do Allen Iverson.

[@muhammadbarokah81]

What if the Sixers won the lottery on 97 and pick Tim Duncan? The duo of Tim and AI is scary to imagine

[@lil_james1584]

Before you eat your chair, pour some hot sauce on it first. 😂😂😂😂

[@sweetroscoeful]

One correction: @17:53 "Stockton overthrew an entry to Malone..." It was Hornacek making the pass.

[@bangaverage7366]

What i thought about this video : 1. Cannot wait the same episode for someone like CP3 2. Utah Jazz with a great regular season record and failure in playoff still is a theme in today's era of Gobert and Mitchell

[@BOnYTB]

I hope CP3 gets a ring, but I think the HOU injury was probably his best chance. Absolutely brutal one. Then to get to the finals with the Suns…just tough. They’re still good though and while they’re far from the favorite, he probably has two more outside chances at it if things fall their way and he stays healthy. With regards to the current day Jazz…yea pretty much. Paying Gobert all of that money wasn’t necessary (I know how important he is, but they could’ve paid him a lot less and it still would’ve been by far the best deal on the table) and they’ve blown a couple chances at getting that real third star type unfortunately. At this point barring some insane luck it’ll be nearly impossible to get that 3rd guy, and some of the role players are starting to age out or will soon. They don’t have their pick in the 2022 draft, but they have a MEM 2nd and then they’ll have their own 1st in ‘23. Maybe they can get lucky with a young guy or make the right trade with a future 1st and a package of a couple of their role players. As long as Donovan Mitchell is there and healthy they’ll have a chance at building a contender around him. I think he’s really special, and can improve even more. Probably not a T5 player in the league, but T15 (All-NBA) I can absolutely see. I still remember being upset when DET drafted Kennard over Mitchell. I’m a Pistons fan, and don’t get me wrong…I had no idea Mitchell would become this good. But I knew he had a much higher ceiling, and as a team like the Pistons it’s better to take those home run swings on upside rather than take a guy like Kennard IMO. Awesome video.

[@wanderlustwarrior]

Short answer: Michael Jordan. Long answer: ["Sirius" by The Alan Parsons Project starts playing] *And now, the starting lineup for your world champion Chicago Bulls!*

[@hennysworld2382]

wanderlustwarrior 😂✊🏼

[@MrInterVention149]

Correct answer, sir. MJ.

[@vitoravila9908]

You can add "The Dream" to that answer....

[@ricardosines4423]

LOL bulls has a better team outside of each teams 2 superstars

[@joshuaarawole8589]

Francisco Rendon don’t forget hakeem the dream. Most underrated player in history. Definitely one of top 10 greatest players ever

[@steveng6704]

Gosh, and I thought being a Clippers fan during the CP3, Blake Griffin era was tough. Feel bad for the Jazz.

[@Turk_2023]

I don`t think a ring would have made them any more famous or legendary than they already are. I mean every team in this video had MVP or a couple HOF players.... Incredible era.

[@drewsmith4452]

I'm a Jazz fan. Even though they'll kick you in the balls over and over again, I still love my team. Hopefully Mitchell and Gobert are finally the guys to do it....

[@JustinLeeper]

They were always competitive. Only one team can win. Those West playoff series were always a battle. Fun times.

[@cashondeliver]

Turk it would of alter Jordan’s legacy greatly

[@Juiianm]

The thunder got it the worst

[@sdmurphy20]

Love that Era of Jazz jerseys. Sonics too

[@maojordan23]

This is an excellent video - and Karl/John a fantastic duo. It's not a coincidence if they never won a title in 18 years, they know it too.

[@MKISports]

I remembered when Scottie Pippen whispered a somewhat famous quote to Karl Malone in Game one of the '97 NBA Finals: "The Mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays..." And he bricked both free throws.

[@jarekwajcfeld6610]

Best trash talk ever

[@Fen4732]

He also did that trashtalk in game 4 but Malone made both freethrows to put the jazz up 3 with 20 seconds left

[@hulk6785]

Now, I want a That's Weird episode on Karl Malone and Dennis Rodman's match at Bash At The Beach 1998.

[@rogregg29445]

James Cobb hell yes

[@briizy300]

The way you describe Kevin duckworth floater is nice Basically: missed free throws , bad matchup, going cold is the short order of the jazz

[@THERISINGSUNS185]

They both were great I love the jazz they are my favorite team ever. We’ve got the mailman and the minivan cool huh!

[@jrsmith5080]

Their problem was facing the Lakers in the 80s and then going through a competitive west in the 90s all just to lose to MJ and the Bulls.

[@dp233332]

their problem is they were kinda overrated...malone was a multi-tier scumbag and a chokeartist who didnt have great post moves for a PF...be 1 thing if itd just been the showtime Lakers keeping them outta the finals during the 80s but that was really only 1 postseason series if memory serves, and the east was the tougher conference during the 80s as well as during most of the 90s....They didnt spend decades losing annually in the playoffs to Magic Johnson or Hakeem Olajuwons teams...They couldnt get to the finals until all the WC teams ahead of them, all of whom except for Houston and the showtime Lakers werent good enough to ever win the championship, declined. Meanwhile they werent able to even extend either of those 2 finals series against the Bulls to 7 games, whereas Reggie Millers Pacers did so in the 1998 ECF 1 rd b4 the Bulls beat the Jazz in 6 games...The Knicks also managed to take the Bulls to a 7th game in 92...The issue with the Jazz was they werent ever that great, and by the time they were in the finals none of their best players were in their primes anymore at all.

[@brentw0681]

@@dp233332 they were the 3rd best west team in the 90s behind the rockets and spurs. They would have 2 rings if it wasnt for Jordan. Get your head out of your ass.

[@taliamason7986]

@@brentw0681 Not really. The East was stacked and significantly better than the West at the time. The Pacers and the Heat alone would have proven to be a huge challenge for the Jazz. In reality what let the Jazz done both times against the Bulls was the lack of scoring outside of Karl Malone. Stockton passed the ball way too much instead of focusing on scoring more. Passing was pretty much all he had to his game which therefore made the Jazz offense incredibly predictable. Just watch Rusty Buckets video on why Stockton is the most overrated player of all time and couldn't truly contribute enough to a Championship winning team.

[@brentw0681]

@@taliamason7986 So stupid lmao, Every 3 out of the 4 years the Bulls didn't win in the 90s, the West won. Not to mention the Pacers were the only consistent runner-up.

[@taliamason7986]

@@brentw0681 Hakeem was the only reason the West finally ended their losing run in the Finals.

[@KIDTV-qe2dm]

Untitled: Reggie Miller

[@benperez8291]

K.I.D. Cray-z agreed. Good choice

[@chunkz1187]

They already did that one it's called "The Malice at the Palace needs a deep rewind"

[@itsallenwow]

I feel like theres millions of candidates for late 90's "ran into Michael Jordan" mega stars haha

[@AbdFattah]

@@chunkz1187 that's rewind, not untitled

[@chunkz1187]

@@AbdFattah yeah and it cost the Pacers the title hence the joke....

[@Dranka5]

Stockton is the most underrated Hall of Famer in history. At best, people call him the greatest passer in history….which he is. However, a lot of people disagree with that FACT. He is also a severely underrated scorer. That’s the case solely because he was the best team player in history too. Because of that, he followed every instruction his coach gave him…..which was, pass to Karl Malone. Side note, the only reason he didn’t win a championship was…..Karl Malone (who was slightly overrated). Yes, he’s a HOFer. However, as this video laid out, he was also a terrible free throw shooter, and even more importantly, choked under pressure…especially in the playoffs. Whenever Malone wasn’t looking at the underaged children in the crowd, he was a slightly overrated all-time great. (Sorry, but it has to be said whenever Malone’s name is mentioned).

[@zxmoore1]

I remember Isiah talking about the main reason Utah never won, he said it was Karl’s free throw shooting. I never understood until I thought about how many games, specifically playoff games, that could have been won due to Karl making his free throws in the last minutes and seconds of their games.

[@JustinWPruett]

Comment section: “MJ is the reason!” Reality: MJ doesn’t even enter the picture until the final five minutes of this 25 minute video.

[@nunya7318]

Justin Pruett your point?

[@ethanfernandez3397]

Even if Utah made it to the finals they could not have won against the Bulls

[@khpitbos17]

Ethan Fernandez It was very close both times they did play them. Don’t act like the Bulls were some unbeatable force.

[@theprince9017]

Right! They had difficulty getting out of the West

[@ethanfernandez3397]

khpitbos17 ese did not watch the Bulls

[@noskillant6168]

video made me cry.

[@stdev.]

17:53 Hornacek overthrew that hard entry pass to Malone

[@jeffnorthrup8431]

"This little era, the beginning of the mountain jerseys, was probably " peak" Jazz". CLASSIC SETH!!

[@CRMdrifter]

I noticed that pun as well.

[@pjwright3773]

This dudes storytelling is insane

[@jimmi3839]

Karl "Whats Consent?" Malone has more problems then just nba championships

[@kostajovanovic3711]

Kobe route?

[@jimmi3839]

@@kostajovanovic3711 bruh

[@deaconblackfire2896]

@@kostajovanovic3711 Kobe has weak allegations, Malone has a goddamn child he made with a slightly older child

[@korda5471]

MJ.

[@jimmi3839]

@@deaconblackfire2896 yep

[@THEAdmiralXizor]

Truth. Just GETTING to the Finals was a death March... The two Jazz Finals appearances were almost lifetime achievement awards.

[@jtheist32]

Man - 18 years of playoff runs. That's incredible.

[@anthonyrojas1242]

With the Coronavirus postponing the 2019-2020 season, I have been absolutely hooked on these videos. They found me at a perfect time. I didn't think I would miss basketball this much.

[@Mithrandir523]

Same man. Watching this is better than watching the news right now lol

[@splyce9712]

I hear ya. Makes me thankful for the Raptors winning last year. These two giants couldn't put one season together and get it done,It shows how hard you have to play and u need a little luck on your side

[@vernonleewarren280]

@@splyce9712 truth

[@foolishspecialist7479]

Yep, I’ve been binging on MJ, Nash, Bird, and even Bill Laimbeer videos.

[@crowjre00]

We all miss real Basketball. It was a great Era. Legends vs Legends. Future Hall of Famers.

[@rasaecnai]

Their run was like the Spurs two decades of playoff runs except they never won a chip.

[@13jumpball13]

The spurs won a championship in each of the last three decades, are you trolling?

[@rasaecnai]

@@13jumpball13 dude obviously i was referring to the Jazz not winning a title. i said "EXCEPT" meaning jazz are like the Spurs EXCEPT not winning a championship. you dnt do reading comprehension, do you?

[@13jumpball13]

Enthusiastic Zestful Villainy try using a little punctuation next time and maybe you’ll get your point across better. Sorry someone pissed in your Cheerios this morning, anonymous plankton account

[@badslorp]

@@13jumpball13 It was very easy to understand the point. You missed it. That's your fault.

[@13jumpball13]

Drew B. Sweet mirror pic drew

[@cenonkagame2644]

Not gonna lie. I thought "Michael Jordan and missed free throws". Now I know it's "Eddie Johnson and missed free throws." Thanks, KZbin algo!

[@ba__con]

20:06 ... u are a true 90s nba fan sir

[@doktarr]

Also, Stockton is apparently a vampire who does not age.

[@ChenKhanwei]

He goes into cryo in the offseason. HAHA

[@cjinl2428]

He was always aged so he never looked like he aged.

[@kenrickeason]

@@cjinl2428 He always reminded me of the father from Full House.. Danny Tanner..

[@dukes1993724]

He starred as Kenan’s boss at the grocery store in “Kenan and Kel” too

[@AxelAlexK]

@@ChenKhanwei Exactly. Stockton looked 35 when he was 22, lol.

[@mh-do3pe]

I remember the Jazz vs Sonics series when the crowd got into Malones's head by screaming "10, 9, 8,...." when he was shooting free throws. 90's NBA was the best.

[@astarteincept8409]

I don't know if they got into Malone's head or his mechanics were simply off. Consider: he shot an uncharacteristically low 58% from the line during the entire 1996 playoffs. It's interesting when a guy's accuracy just drops out of the blue, then returns to normal the next season (75-78%).

[@joelreyes9243]

Those freethrow attempt was long

[@TheVoodooVegetable]

The Bulls fans were counting in the Finals too when Malone was at the line, haha. He always took more than 10 seconds. His problem was obvious and can be seen clearly even in this video: for some unknown reason his free throws are like fadeaways; he's always falling backwards when he shoots them.

[@vernonleewarren280]

No doubt

[@JoshDaGreat16]

Voodoo Vegetable bad mechanics. But you’d think his coaches would’ve fixed it

[@texastwostepgaming]

@2:26 "Stockton became the fulltime point guard and the youngster led..."- John Stockton, my good sir, has in-fact never been a "youngster". John Stockton came out of his mother with full pit bush and a full man prairie on his chest. He then slapped the doctor and proceeded to flawlessly pass the bottle to the dumbfounded nurse who in turn filled it promptly. This was the first of many assists in his lifetime.

[@jameservin1333]

They were a real threat , two of my favorite players even though I was a Micheal Jordan fan

[@ericsilver9401]

Someone should do "the creation of SB nation deserves a deep rewind"

[@bw4708]

The Jazz are the Vikings of the NBA. Usually good, often great, never champions

[@drewsmith4452]

I'm a Jazz and a Vikings fan😂😬.

[@magnumbrahms5339]

Thank God the Bills exist it made being a Viking fan enjoyable.

[@dyeslo9003]

I'm stealing that 1.....lmao

[@blakeschmitz972]

That is hilariously false 😂

[@thecookj454]

@@blakeschmitz972 not really

[@thomassabatino5272]

Is there a good coach that could fit the Untitled series? I'd love to see that

[@familyguyfreemoviedownload8314]

marv levy, bud grant, d’antoni maybe

[@vincentmartinez8241]

It's simple they needed a third guy like a young prime Charles Barkley or a Hakeem!

[@zwebackshyper9307]

everyone saying "sHoRt AnSwEr: jOrDan" but it was only 2 years that he stopped them drexler, hakeem, payton, kemp had just as much of an impact.

[@umarb7325]

cult of imbeciles. Watch the damn vid and lets have a proper discussion folks

[@TheSands83]

Yeah well if u didn’t realize the teams that beat them more times than not jordan spanked that team🤣

[@lanzortiz3199]

lol but they eventually hurdled all those obstacle and made it to the finals, clearly it's not the reason alone. if they made it to 91- 93 finals they would still be smashed. just like how MJ smashed those guys.. except hakeem.

[@cjtreasure4731]

6 rings

[@hectorsandovsl3093]

@@umarb7325 we all watched the vid, problem is... We watched the the live version already. Lol and we know what you apparently don't... Didn't matter what happened in the west then.... U were going to get beat by the bulls 91-93 and 96-98. So we're not a cult and we're not idiots or imbeciles. We just had the best team of the era led by the best player of all time. P.s. mic drop....

[@insertcolorfulmetaphor8520]

I remember how loud Key Arena was, in both the 93 first round series, and the 96 WCF series... Game 7 was the loudest game, I have ever witnessed, at the Key! I miss the Supersonics, so much... :-(

[@cheef825]

you are lucky bro. i am 19 and only remember the KD season :(

[@metalsadman]

sonics was my team facing the bulls haha (Schrempf,Kemp and Payton) good trio, rodman killed them in this series tho. but never liked the jazz and well pip was always my guy, so was rooting for the bulls in those series.

[@cheef825]

@@metalsadman my dad always says that if mcmillan and payton were 100% they could have won the series haha

[@PaulLakers]

FynalZ0ne Payton wasn’t at 100%? News to me, I witnessed the series live in front of the tv, McMillan was injured yes, but Payton? Nope.

[@insertcolorfulmetaphor8520]

@@cheef825 If Mac10 had been fully healthy, Seattle would've won the series... His back was in real bad shape, the last half of the 95-96 season, and it was during the Finals games where Mac got those shots in his back, just so he could play a few mins... Mr. Sonic was one of my very favorite players! One of the most tenacious defenders, to ever wear the green and gold!

[@urbaindelva7869]

My biggest issue is how the HOFers that never won rings during the 90s Bulls era are simply remembered as footnotes in Jordan's path, which completely undermines their greatness.

[@urwholefamilydied]

Do you know what brand your shirt is?? Video is a couple years old so probably won't be able to find it, but maybe they'll have some other stuff I like.

[@gamingoutworldspeed8391]

My best memory of Stockton is when he hit a game winning 3 vs the Rockets, that sent them to the finals.

[@owet4715]

Literally my only memory of my team from the 90's. I was 5 at the time. My family was losing their minds as we watched in our basement!

[@imnotmike]

When he hit that shot, I jumped up off my sofa so hard I hit my head and put a hole in the ceiling. Cost me my cleaning deposit when I moved out of the apartment.

[@colintaufer8437]

Huge, life-long Jazz fan. Lived through everything in this video. So close. So often. Very nicely done. Congrats!

[@cartelplug8183]

Real fan atleast respect

[@austinpoll]

Too painful too watch these games even now. My dad turned me on to the Jazz during these years and ive been one ever since, but I had grew to love basketball and the Jazz do much the the Two Bulls finals losses were extremely painful for me but after that my dad just became a casual Jazz Fan. But im not & in still hope that the Jazz will someday win the Championship while i can still enjoy it. Great Video tho

[@vanjones1749]

Interesting question, imo I would say they missed another bonafide HOF player at the 2 or 3, but back then player movement was not like it is today.

[@SimuLord]

MJ took both of his MVP snubs out on the other guy big-time. Malone in '97...and Barkley in '93. The NBA needs to get rid of that offseason awards show. We lose out on potential revenge series that way.

[@seankelly4594]

Agree

[@geraldclydeabella3350]

@TheLegendkiller 👀👀

[@tonybrantley9922]

I was saying the same thing why did they stop giving mvps in the nba finals...

[@TheSands83]

Another reason why nba sucks now

[@davidmyung599]

Michael Jordan: Wanna see me beat you in the finals....wanna see me do it again?

[@steivene2hot915]

haha

[@joemckim1183]

@@steivene2hot915 And then Hakeem Olajuwon beating them in Western Conference playoff rounds.

[@erics9487]

Think you meant to say, "Wanna see me do it again, with a terrible case of the flu!?"

[@Donnie-sg2cj]

Joe McKim He was hungover. He didn’t magically get the flu for one day and then lose it by the next

[@Donnie-sg2cj]

David Myung He was hungover. He didn’t magically get the flu for one day and then lose it

[@kumimukimu]

Thank you MJ, Hakeem, Sonics and the Glide🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@ezirulez4eva175]

Yes Malone didn’t deserve a ring

[@TheWonderStraw]

Stockton to Malone. what a combo. I don't buy in to the Jordan mythos; so I really like how this video showed the reality of the situation and that History could easily have gone either way with the Jazz's finals appearances.

[@nickhawdon9139]

Just here to find out when they're doing a Dan Marino untitled

[@jonlohrenz5446]

Before Malone missed those two free throws in game 1 of the 97 finals, Pippen told him “the mailman don’t deliver on Sunday”. (The game was played on a Sunday of course).

[@jonlohrenz5446]

Angel god ah ok. I thought it was Rodman. I knew one of them did.

[@byronbond3577]

The mailman delivered thuds. lol

[@philipconte5732]

I grew up in Washington state a Sonics fan and I still remember that 96 conference final where the home seattle crowd would count out loud screaming every time Karl was at the line because he would take so damn long to shoot the free throw

[@elliot5745]

does anyone know the music at 18:05?

[@RyukinJakka]

They ran into good teams with equally legendary players. It just wasn't in the cards for them. It happens