why are Polish people so obsessed with Marie Curie being Polish? (aka the Beetlejuice scandal)

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[@benzaiten933]

in light of the contend of your video, why not put the whole of Maria Salomea Skłodowska-Curie's name in the title?

[@miniak2708]

Probably too long ​@@benzaiten933

[@oki__]

Crazy idea for people - don’t change peoples race/ ethnicity/ nationality to suit what’s popular. Especially historical figures, but even mythological stories of cultural origin, etc. If you want AA stories WRITE THEM! Why accept this constant half assed virtue signalling from billion dollar production companies who are willing to capitalise off of your political ideals while not being willing to put any effort into making an actual story that might be relevant to that storyline. They’re cowering from any risk of reward by not making anything original that might actually make a statement about the races they’re attempting to virtue signal by race-swapping them.

[@serebii666]

@@benzaiten933 Salmonella?! Let's keep that in the drafts

[@evelynafton]

Shoutout to my Hungarian physics teacher who was conviced Pierre Curie was Polish too

Piotr Kiur 🇵🇱

[@chiefpurrfect8389]

The equality I'm fighting for 💪

[@p1rgit]

or simply: Maria Sklodowska's husband.

[@CiaLaVirago]

​@@p1rgit he would've been ecstatic to be known as her husband and nothing else, tbh

[@berlineczka]

Piotr Skłodowski!

[@gnilda8955]

Caroline Zebro, the famed Scottish youtuber

[@19watcher86]

👍🤣😱

[@blue43shadow43]

caroline rib sounds like sims name

[@sandiemable]

🤣

[@Bildgesmythe]

No, has to be Canadian

[@M0butu]

MacZebro

[@arachnidlupus7625]

Let's not forget Marie Curie's music contributions-"All I Want For Christmas Is You" is a masterpiece.

[@mwv1217]

Uranium*

[@tylerphuoc2653]

@@mwv1217 "All I want for Christmas is U(-234)"

[@woodside4life]

😂😂😂

[@sqarex2658]

Marii Skłodowskiej curie*

[@amandadeloff4278]

A Marie and Mariah collab would be incredible 😂

[@pootoobaby738]

I might or might not have shouted "SHE WAS POLISH SHE MARRIED A FRENCHMAN" in the theater. I didn't even realize until it came out my mouth lol 😅 I'm glad it's being talked about and my female history nerd self feels vindicated after making a fool of myself in a US theater 🤣

doing the Lord's work!!

[@apcolleen]

I call that "using my Karen abilities for good". I live in Atlanta and it has helped disarm a few tense situations in public when no one else feels safe to speak up.

[@yelyak]

👏👏👏👋👋👋👏👏👏

[@mwv1217]

@@pootoobaby738 🎵Can i make it any more obvious?🎶

[@ankaro4258]

And I love you for that!

[@ihaveaname699]

as a non polish person I 100% respect you guys being obsessed. it's what she would have wanted

[@Curiescat-f5f]

She openly wanted to be Curie

[@enravotaboyadjiev7466]

​@@Curiescat-f5fsource: trust me bro

[@Curiescat-f5f]

@@enravotaboyadjiev7466 alr, google traitè de radioactivitè. Who wrote it? Madame P. Curie. Google Pierre Curie biography book. Who wrote it? Marie Curie. Google la radiologie et la guerre. Who wrote it? Madame Pierre Curie. You still don't trust me?

[@Dasigner666PL]

@@enravotaboyadjiev7466 It's Curie's cat, it have to know something, yes?

[@rachell452]

Maria named the element she discovered Polonium to honour her Polish identity. Is it really any wonder that Poles are rightfully pissed off????

[@XHitsugaX]

Poles are pissed off about worthless nationalist stuff but are not pissed off about the influence of catholic church and anti women policies of the governments.

[@nicenightmare2644]

​@@XHitsugaXI really would love to know what poles you're talking about seeing as the biggest protest in the last years were exactly about that

[@XHitsugaX]

@@nicenightmare2644 are the abortion bans repelled? Have people responsible been punished? Protests that are neitger disruptive nor punishing at the Electoral Booth are inconsequential. But this is the social media effect. People are more happy to argue about Hollywood ignorance and stupid ethnic pride in accomplishments of other individuals rather than tangible materialistic and political issues.

[@kasiula7297]

​@@XHitsugaX don't know if you're Polish or not, but you got it all wrong basically 💀

[@XHitsugaX]

@@kasiula7297 so have the abortion bans been abolished? Have the politicians responsible for these inhumane laws been sent to prison? Was the catholic church removed from influence?

[@danam.5127]

Names are important and so is heritage! My grandma is indigenous Okinawan (Uchinaanchu), and she remembers how horrible it was being a civilian there during WWII and the horrible things that the Japanese did. When I was really little, she told me, "Never let anyone call you Japanese. You are Okinawan." I feel tremendous pride in my heritage, and I can only imagine how that would be amplified by growing up there like Marie did in Poland.

[@raccoons_stole_my_account]

TIL there are native people of Okinawa.

[@Jhud69]

Your comment makes me happy as a Pole who is very interested in history of Okinawa. It frustrates me to no end that almost nobody acknowledges that Okinawa is occupied land just like Hawaii is. And it was occupied by BOTH Japanese and Americans.

[@CuteLewaczka]

​@@Jhud69warto wiedzieć :oo

[@WolkeYume]

Also the language just being called an accent by most people instead of it's own language speaks a lot about how people think about Okinawa

[@paulinagabrys8874]

Babcia była Riukinanką?

[@MarissaGallerani]

I literally got into an argument with my 8th grade French teacher who insisted that Marie Curie was French. Despite the super Italian name, I’m half Polish and have family who still lives in Wroclaw. Needless to say, I won the argument.

[@shylockwesker5530]

Nice. You great great great grandmother may have been the famous Cecilia Gallerani who was Italian but is Polish now, too :)

[@MarissaGallerani]

@@shylockwesker5530 Yes! Entirely possible. My Dad has a reproduction hanging in the house. I haven’t been to Krakow yet, but want to go and visit one day. We claim her, but don’t know the exact lineage. She had 8 brothers and the family is all from the same part of Italy that my family is from, so I’ll take it!

[@duszekanyzratak]

​@@MarissaGalleraniI live in Krakow, it's beautiful, I encourage you to visit, you will not be disappointed! 😊

[@Curiescat-f5f]

At least your teacher heard of her, unlike me who had to educate the entire school about it

[@ghostdagreat]

Fundamentally it's about *respecting* Marie Skłodowska-Curie as a woman. She CHOSE to hyphenate her name, and to ignore that is sexist and anti-feminist, and a disservice to her memory. I think a lot of it is also tied to the disrespect to slavic languages/last names, where people dont even want to bother to pronounce them, so it's easier to phase it out. Infuriating.

[@olakeska7908]

Didn't you mean Maria?

[@dontmindmefangirling3123]

Bruh, are you seriously calling someone who doesn't bother to look up someone's 3 names and just remember the most common misogynist? What next? Not remember the date a woman died 400 hundred years ago will become a crime against all women? Not to mention that following your same logic, not remembering every name an important male person has would be a disservice to all men

[@olakeska7908]

@@dontmindmefangirling3123 this "most common" is coming from misogyny and xenophobia. It's not that hard to try to respect someone about who your talking about, really

[@CuteLewaczka]

Yes, it's easier to say "Curie", unfortunately:(. We Polish people know that Polish is hard but we would really appreciate it if someone said her Polish surname

[@ghostdagreat]

@@dontmindmefangirling3123 You cannot pick and choose what part of someone's name is easiest for you and ignore the rest, it's disrespectful on a base level regardless. Yes it would still be bad if it happened to a male scientist, just more rooted in xenophobia rather than potentially gender discrimination. Maria had to fight so hard to be distinct from her husband, and your reason for ignoring her name is "it's hard"? For who? Mostly just English speakers. The world does not revolve around English speakers though, and even when English is hard for us non- English speakers, we don't just avoid using it. It's a stupid double standard based on laziness.

[@VincentSyma]

Czech neighbour here. I see your point so much. We share similar historical cultural aspects, such as oppression of big nations (such as Russia) and we Czechs are also sensitive about other people not knowing that things or people are "ours". In school they teach us to pride ourselves over our inventors such as Mendel (genetic laws), Wichterle (contact lenses), Holý (research important for HIV therapy)... or artists (Dvořák, Smetana, Janáček, Mucha, Kafka, Forman, Kundera...) or sportsman (Zátopek, Navrátilová, Jágr...) or politicians (Havel). Or the fact, that the all-world known word "robot" was also invented and firstly used in Czech literature by brothers Josef and Karel Čapek. Similar situation as you describe with Marie Curie Sklodowska (which we Czechs usually know was Polish, because we are so close to you :)), we experience with Kafka, Mendel, Mahler, Rilke, Freud, Porsche or others who are usually considered to be German or Austrian because we were historically part of the Austrian-Hungarian monarchy and the German influence is also very present in our colloquial language. Thank you for the video, it could be enlightening to the people across the seas. :)

[@daisyduck4094]

my english school taught that mendel was german

[@Hana_H]

HLASITĚJI!!

[@jinxcrafter]

I hadn't known about Mendel either, thank you for sharing this information

[@HelF666]

My Polish highschool taught us that Mendel was Czech. At least we got each other's backs lol

[@matejhajek6325]

@@daisyduck4094 He was Moravian German just like many others in Bohemian lands

[@andromeda_lw]

It really touched me when you mentioned polish "scientists who never where" so to say. My grandma was a very talented person with an extraordinary analytical mind. Despite missing out on half of her education due to WWII she graduated high school with perfect scores, aced uni entry exam and was about to study chemistry in Poznań. It was her great passion. Tragically, that June bloody riots took place in Poznań and her parents strongly persuaded her away from higher education. She ended up working as an accountant in a huge factory, and was able to do complex calculations in a blink of an eye. Sadly she suffered an abusive marriage which broke her spirit quite a bit. I always wondered who would she be if communists didn't shoot that June in Poznań.

[@Ichneumonxx]

“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.” (J. Gould) I think about this quote quite often.

[@CiaLaVirago]

​@@Ichneumonxx that quotes haunts me

[@ingalien8102]

Oh what a story, my grandma was similar! She was such a strong, confident and smart lady. She missed two school grades during the war but she graduated school at 17 and then studied enginnering at a university nearby. She graduated in 1951 and I often think about what those times must've been like. A young woman in Poland five years after the end of war! The poor country was so far behind the rest of the world, rebuilding itself and the Russians were already controlling everything. Anyway, she had a good stable job until retirement and was a respected engineer. She taught herself how to use a computer and the internet sometime around 2010 and I wrote e-mails to her until her death last year. Forever my inspiration.

[@agatastrychalska]

So many talents lost,so many died in battles.God bless them❤

[@otto6518]

I mean she kept her first surname for a reason🙄

[@cfromnowhere]

Technically, she was always Marie Skłodowska because French civil law does not allow name changes with very restricted exceptions, especially for family names, a rule that has been there since the French Revolution. But informally, married women are always called by their husband's family name; that is why "Madame Curie" stuck to this day.

[@natalias50]

@@cfromnowhereI stuck for a different reason in that case.

[@ohimdying]

LOUDER! I haaaate how slavic people (especially women) from countries that were opressed literally for hundreds of years are treated as if they didnt exist or as if their achievments happened just because the "amazing" west helped them. While studying in the uk I was shocked how ignorant people are towards slavs - from not even trying to pronounce my surname to teachers saying genuinely crazy misinformation about my country to my face. And dont even let me started on the representation in western media - either weird old grandma, whore with "seductive" body or mentally ill girl that weights like 15kg 🙃we will never be free

also the constant "You're [insert a Slavic nationality]? But your English is so good!"

[@tyalangand]

While being in the UK, I once got a "compliment" from an English friend who said "when you said 'goodbye' just then, you almost sounded British"... Made me almost start rolling my R's excessively out of spite. Really shows the western Europe mentality of "the only good immigrant is the completely assimilated one".

[@patriciazandilencube4597]

Oh woah. I'm from an African country and my experience is the same ! Who would have thought being irritated with ignorance would bring us together 😂! For me l'll add when lm asked 'show us the African dance'. Like africa is a country and we all dance the same plus we all know how tp dance apparently.

[@miniak2708]

tbf a bunch of people i've met can barely introduce themselves in english @KarolinaŻebrowskax

[@CiaLaVirago]

​@@tyalangand if someone insinuated i sounded English i would fight them.

[@AnaK533]

As a French-Polish woman, let me reassure you. The French-Polish community's got everyone's back. Maria, Chopin, Kopernik. The people WILL ALWAYS KNOW. We can't help it. Only one we've collectively, French and Poles, agreed to let go is Polański. Dude's stateless now.

[@annadachowska24]

I laughed strong laugh 😂🤣🤣🤣

[@iwonagajor4837]

I love that Polański has just been excommunicated from poland AND france both like "ew, we don't claim him, fuck that guy" because PREACH 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@prkp7248]

Well Polański is mostly known as Polish jew.

[@motherlesschild102]

@@prkp7248 Does Israel want him?

[@CuteLewaczka]

​@@motherlesschild102HAHAH yes he can go to them 🙃

[@rhus36]

The disrespect to Polish language is so real. I’m having a dinner for Kazimierz Pułaski Memorial Day this Friday and you would think I was spitting in people’s faces the way they react to me bothering to pronounce his name instead of saying Casimir Pulaski. Like babes, we’re literally celebrating this Polish man??? You’re gonna hear some Polish words.

[@CanadianMonarchist]

Is it true he was a hermaphrodite?

[@jobda1211]

especially that no one expects perfect polish pronunciation „poowahskee” would be accepted

[@wilczus222]

Just know that Poles appreciate every foreigner who tries with our language. We will either be amused or impressed, but always thankful ^^

[@milanathompson6411]

Yo this is so real? I got those reactions a lot growing up in the US cause i wanted to like.. pronounce words and NAMES from other languages correctly and people got upset with me cause they'd think i was trying to be better than them or pretentious and it's like "nah dude i just... like languages."

[@Lasciatemi_Guidare]

One of my favorite niche Chicago/Illinois holidays!

[@Adelina-293]

I'm painfully reminded of how the Polish mathematicians who broke the enigma cypher never get mentioned in any films about Bletchley Park. Not like that was a useful contribution, da?

[@morela58]

i wouldnt consider myself very patriotic, especially now, when the meaning of this word got so skewed, but seeing "Marie Curie, a French scentist 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊" always makes my blood boil and "Rota" automatically starts playing in my head

[@Jhud69]

I'm the same. Can't call myself very patriotic and honestly, for the most part, I kind of dislike our country in it's current state. I wish I didn't but it's the truth, I don't really feel Polish, I don't want to stay here, I feel no connection. But at the same time I have nothing but respect for our history and what our ancestors went through, I will always fight for our people being recongized.

[@Kwadratura]

Rota głosem tej baby od Biedronia 😭❤

[@ZemplinTemplar]

Ma'am, whenever various populists, demagogues and conmen try to steal away and appropriate patriotism from us as citizens, it's all the more a reason to not suffer in silence somewhere in a corner, and to instead defend a healthy expression of patriotism (i.e. real sincere patriotism, without bigotry and small-mindedness) and not allow those populists, demagogues and conmen to steal patriotism from us and warp patriotism's meaning. We need to defend the real substance of genuine patriotism and not allow others to warp it into something bigoted, unfair and untrue.

[@miolau7721]

I like to think of it as patriotism and nationalism being two sides of the same coin, one being a positive and the other - the negative expression of the same feelings. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage and culture, quite the opposite ✌️ It's bad when you actually use it to make yourself feel superior to others. And hurt other people because of it, which people unfortunately often do

[@spideyxmoriarty]

the other day i had to give an example of passive voice to my students (i'm an ESL teacher in argentina) and went with "radiation was discovered by MARIA SKŁODOWSKA curie" and i could feel karolina's soul possessing me and cheering 🎉🎉

[@tamara10]

Poles have every right to get angry when her identity is being erased

[@Teuwufel]

It's Polish erasure from times of occupation all over again. Poles are right to rage.

[@TapOnX]

LMAO do you really think Poles are like "oh no, this brilliant woman's identity is being erased, we must do something!" They just want to take credit for her accomplishments. Which is exceptionally ironic, since she would have spent her life tutoring high school girls, if she stayed in Poland.

[@jotbe99]

Actually they're bunch of spiritual slaves that should't have right to anything.

[@TapOnX]

A woman would not have been allowed such a career in Poland.

[@alexandrinelofi1188]

​​​@@TapOnX you do realise that in that timeframe poland wasn't an independent state and had miniscule control over its own education system, right? if anything, air that out with russia.

[@CiaLaVirago]

Because they had to fight tooth and nail to preserve their cultural identity and national heritage 😭 Of course it's a big deal. Also Maria herself was a fervent nationalist

[@yanied9646]

Yep, freaking Polonium is proof

[@majazielinska909]

You mean Maria? 😂

[@CiaLaVirago]

@@majazielinska909 yeah, sorry, i typed this half asleep

[@athag1]

I would call Maria a patriot, rather than a nationalist.

[@oywiththepoodlesalready]

I completely understand and relate to the anger from Poles in this situation. It’s so frustrating when the only representation the world has of you is a gross stereotype, and then when you do have a positive figure from your country/culture, that figure is ignored or represented inaccurately. I’m Colombian, and I can tell you how much relief I felt when Encanto came out. For once, we were not represented as savage criminals, cartels, or only briefly mentioned in reference to coffee or cocaine. Yet, still, media cannot seem to understand it is spelt Colombia and not “Columbia,” but at least Encanto was some improvement. So, no, this is not an overreaction. The Poles deserve accurate representation. We will not tolerate the erasure of Maria Skłodowska-Curie’s *Polish* identity.

[@ZemplinTemplar]

Well said. 8-) Also, though I'm European and haven't visited South America, I've actually never had a bad impression of Colombia, despite some of its troubled history and present. What I think of when someone says "Colombia" is "people with ancestry from all over the world" and "lots of talented and interesting musicians and bands".

[@user-is7xs1mr9y]

I'm Mexican (born and raised in México), but I feel ya. It also makes my blood boil whenever I see people spelling "Columbia" instead of Colombia and I'm that annoying person correcting them in the comments lol.

[@helenas7948]

We are pressed about it, because Maria would be pressed about it too. Simple. Thank you, Karolina, for saying it so eloqently and using your, quite large, platform for raising awareness about Polish history and culture.

[@20ulencja00]

To put it in some perspective how much Polish people actually care and know about Maria - I literally had a book, aimed for children, entirely about her life and achievements. I got it when I was like, 9 years old - And I loved that book. I read it several times. Similar with Fryderyk Chopin. When I was older and realised people treat these two as if they were French, I was flabbergasted.

[@Jhud69]

I went to her house in Warsaw for a school trip - it was an amazing experience.

[@KatechivonRuskamafia]

Chopin actually was half French and I think that saying he was 100% Polish is also not the best.

[@retsu9658]

@@KatechivonRuskamafia yea bc his father was french, it wasnt cultural or identity just genetics, he grow up in poland, and he loved poland so much most of his works were dedicated to them, he had his heart burried in poland as thats were it belonged

[@blackcrow4218]

​@@retsu9658 He was born in Poland so he was Polish with some French roots from his father side .

[@bastian33o2]

Marrying a French guy doesn't make her French. She was born in Poland, period.

[@aurilightsong6330]

But moving to France and becoming a citizen via that marriage, does in fact make her French as well.

[@bastian33o2]

@@aurilightsong6330 But she was discriminated by the French for being Polish.

[@thecolourfulpill]

​@@aurilightsong6330You see, if you look at it this way, then she was never Polish, because Poland wasn't a country at the time. Warsaw (where she was born) was ruled by the Russian Empire. It seems a bit silly to equate identity with citizenship, doesn't it?

[@washulis]

Imo identity defines a person far more than a citizenship. Did all the countries forced to become a part of Soviet Russia suddenly become russian? No, certainly not. Your roots and the roots of the place you come from stays with you. History doesnt disappear just because a flag has changed, it takes generations for such things to change on individual level

[@bastian33o2]

@@washulis Exactly!

[@joannakowalczyk1040]

Maria was 24 years old when she left. She was better educated than many of her French colleagues at university. They act as if France gave her all the knowledge. A silly Polish woman came and it was the French who enlightened her. Aleksander Wolszczan discovered the first extrasolar system and did not receive the Nobel Prize. In 2019, two Swiss men were awarded for discovering extrasolar planets...This is another example of our history being erased, distorted and ridiculed. For example, jokes about Poles in the USA. There is a book called Hollywood's War with Poland. How Poles were made into the worst scum because the Americans didn't like the fact that their ally (Russia) cooperated with the Germans. During the war, propaganda bits were played before every film and the victim was turned into someone who was not worth feeling sorry for.

[@dado__]

@@joannakowalczyk1040 They were awarded the prize specifically "for the discovery of an exoplanet orbiting a solar-type star" which is significant in-and-of-itself, and not every first gets a Nobel prize anyway. The French dismissal of Skłodowska-Curie is horrible, but Poland has had several scientists win Nobels besides her. I would also like to note, as an American, that Polish jokes have fortunately largely disappeared from our public consciousness. I remember finding a 70s joke book as a kid (mid-90s) that had some "Pol*ck" jokes and being confused at why these were even jokes. Like, not in a "these jokes are bad and xenophobic" way but a "wait, this was a thing? people disliked Poles enough to make jokes?" I know better now about the history, of course, but I've never once heard a fellow American crack a xenophobic Polish joke. Italian joke, maybe, but Poles no. Maybe older people in NYC or Chicago still crack them, but it's not something I've heard from people my age or in my East Coast city.

[@m3llilla]

and can you name one who won besides maria? it's like calling robert lewandowski a spanish because he plays for fc barcelona, ​​i.e. completely unrelated. it's very important for polish people because it's our history, our pride ​and even maria skłodowska wanted to be remember as a polish woman not french. she died for good of science but for good of poland too. @dado__

[@dado__]

@@m3llilla I'm sorry, but I think you misread my comment. I explicitly said treating Skłodowska-Curie as a French person is wrong. And yes, I can. Lech Wałęsa, for winning the peace prize. Europe has a ton of countries and it's not like I can remember laureates for every one, so it's an unfair question. Hell, my parents are Portuguese and we have 2 laureates, one of which got it for *inventing lobotomy* so it's hardly an honor. Could you name either of them without checking?

[@paulinagabrys8874]

​@@dado__genezą Polish Jokes było to że największą falą imigranci z Polski byli chłopi z Galicji czyli obecnych terenów Polski Południowo-Wschodniej i Zachodnien Ukrainy. Ludzie żyjący bardzo biednie, bez wykształcenia i bez znajomości świata oddalonego dalej niż 20 km od wsi (w Galicji kolej była bardzo słabo rozwinięta). Ci ludzie byli pracowici ale tak przyzwyczajeni do biedy i złych warunków że traktowano ich jak jakiś dzikusów. Nie znali języka, przez co nie kupywali ziemi rolnej i pracowali za najniższe stawki. Dlatego ciężko się integrowali i budowali swoiste getta. Jeszcze trzeba dodać to, że Amerykanie rasistowski podchodzili do każdego narodu katolickiego. Najpierw źle traktowali Irlandczyków, potem przerzucili się na Włochów a potem na Polaków. Wzmocnieniem Polish Jokes były walka o równouprawnienie że strony Czarnych Amerykanów. Ale wcześniej było to zakończenie wojny i oddanie Polski oraz całego regiony Europy Środkowo-Wschodniej w ręce Stalina. Chciano "udowodnić" że Polacy to nieudacznicy, którzy przegrali własny kraj (Polska broniła się miesiąc i to gdy walczyła na dwa fronty ze Związkiem Radzieckim, potężna Francja upadła po trzech tygodniach, walcząc tylko z Niemcami ale mając bardzo złe dowództwo główne, gdy Niemcy mieli duże szczęście). Ale też swoje zrobiło przepisanie na Polaków amerykańskiej winy za brak reakcji na Holocaust. Byłam w Muzeum Auschwitz dosłownie 1,5 miesiąca temu i też na głównej wieży strażniczej. Strażnicy widzieli cały teren. Nie było mowy o podkopach bo Niemcy wlali pod ogrodzenia beton na głębokość 1 metra (3,3 stopy). Był drut kolczasty, pod napięciem, uzbrojone wieże strażnicze co 150 m, a sam obóz był wybudowany w dalszej odległości od zabudowań czy wręcz Niemcy wysiedlali mieszkających w pobliżu Polaków. Nie było mowy o szturmie sił partyzanckich. Tylko regularne wojsko miało szanse na wyzwolenie całego obozu. Ci ludzie, którzy uciekli uciekali albo w przebraniu albo pracowali/mieli znajomych w takich oddziałach obozowych gdzie łatwiej było o ucieczkę.

[@Curiescat-f5f]

Tf? It's well documented that she was struggling due to the high level of the Sorbonne

[@margaretannemuria7952]

It's so crazy how people want to erase her being Polish so much when she worked so hard to preserve it. And also, people’s reasonings are so dumb. Imagine using all of those reasonings for Jose Rizal (who btw, I just realized that they would've been contemporaries), and say that he can't be Filipino 'cause he studied and worked in Europe 😭 A lot of Maria's behavior when she was studying in France reminds me so much of how Rizal was in Europe too. He kept close to other Filipinos and kept missing home so much and wanted to go back home and make the country better. (Sorry can't help but compare since I had Rizal studies last semester) Colonizers are so damn weird.

[@ZemplinTemplar]

My thoughts exactly !

[@c0smodrom]

so when a polish girl marries a french guy shes french, but when i do it then apparently i'm gay 🙄

[@Bildgesmythe]

😊

[@paulklee5790]

That’s good! Excellent point!

[@Adelina-293]

It means you're an elf, although we're trying to decide if you're a Tolkien elf or a Warhammer elf.

[@blarfroer8066]

Some would say that that's the same thing.

[@SynGirl32]

As a Canadian who's had Polish friends, Americans will never understand the pride you hold for the 12 famous people from your country.

[@hummus_exual]

My Swiss ass holding onto Roger Federer, Paracelsus and Euler like my life depends on it

[@gisela_oliveira]

As a brazilian, i can attetst that is true. we may not be the most unitet countrie, but we would all go to war against the US just to defend the honour of Alberto Santos Dumont

[@LauraBeeDannon]

Yes we will.

[@LauraBeeDannon]

​@gisela_oliveira most sane Americans are with you.

[@Hana_H]

LITERALLY

[@theob.6588]

Growing up in the US I was always taught that Marie Curie was very proud of her polish heritage. I had chemistry teacher AND a history teachers make a point to teach about how proudly polish she was, and how femenisit her relationship was for the time.

[@Fluwia]

So why are you not using her full name?

[@theob.6588]

@Fluwia I didn't learn how to spell it and wasn't gonna look it up for a KZbin comment--I shouldn't even be in the comments rn I'm at work. But yes, I remembered she kept her last name and brought it up with my fiance before it was mentioned in the video lol she's actually why decided as a kid to always keep my long and hard to say last name even if i married!

[@mellie4174]

Same... I always learned of her as polish who made her discoveries in France

[@ewa1629]

@@theob.6588if you dont have polish signs on your phone it would be „Sklodowska” 😊

[@zowzkosmosu8574]

Day 1 of asking for "Lalka" series and Sienkiewicz Trilogy films from the 70s fashion analysis

[@komitarz]

I beg

[@meridaskywalker7816]

Tak!!!

[@Chomikmk]

This!

[@AmatisoveLove]

Karolina MUSISZ

[@gracjanchudziak4755]

I also notice the eternal laziness in pronouncing Polish names. Last I saw Chmielowski was called Szimolowsky(!?). Well, not everything has to be easy, it's something like the McDonaldization of culture.

[@raccoons_stole_my_account]

My fave is pronouncing 'kaczynski' as 'kazeenskee'. Like bruh maybe like put minimal effort into it?

[@Jhud69]

This. Honestly I don't even care if somebody pronounces our names perfectly, that's not what I want at all. I just want to see an ATTEMPT and EFFORT, which I pretty much never see. And it's sad. It doesn't take that long at ALL to look up a name, even type it in Google Translate or even check the Wikipedia page and listen to the pronunciation then try to say it yourself.

[@pitulanek]

Whenever I watch British TV and there's a Polish surname or other Polish name that gets butchered, I wonder. There are SO MANY of us there. Soooo many. Ask your Polish colleague, they'll tell you. No Polish colleague? Someone's going to have a Polish friend, wife/husband, flatmate, neighbour, builder, cleaner. Heck, go to the Polish shop and ask the shop assistant, they'll pronounce the word for you. Or, you know, go modern and go on the Internet. Type it into Google translate and let it read it to you... Or, for a more personal touch, ask people on Twitter, IG, wherever. Guaranteed, you're going to get someone who transcribes an anglicised pronunciation or straight up records it for you - it takes seconds to do. But no, let's laugh at how difficult it is to pronounce and how funny the language is.

[@ewa1629]

I know it’s a less serious example, but explaining my name, Ewa, to British people is impossible. Like no, it’s not Eve or Eva, it’s Ewa. It’s not that hard to pronounce, but they always feel the need to make it English or act, as if it’s super hard to pronounce.

[@CocoLicious]

​@pitulanek this is even way to ingrained in polish people that they have to make it easier for others to pronounce their names - I have so many colleagues that shorten their names to Gosia, Kasia, Ola etc. And honestly, they shouldn't have to. We all have a higher education or even Phds, our brains are able to learn how to pronounce names.

[@rafaela00002]

Honestly, I'd be pissed too, you guys are 100% right

[@gleann_cuilinn]

Pronunciation guide for Engish speakers: "MAR-ee-ah skwo-DOFF-skah Kew-REE" Easy! Thank you Karolina for this instructive and hopeful video... though Poland was occupied and erased the Polish peoples spirit was never broken. May all occupied peoples gain total freedom in their lands. 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@marcilk7534]

That helps, thanks!

[@helenahsson1697]

I've been pronouncing her Polish name as if I was reading it in Swedish, apparently it's correct even though our languages is so different.

[@jedenzet]

there's no such thing as "palestine".

[@Chrycho99]

I have always perceived Maria Skłodowska-Curie as the mother of Polish feminism. Calling her just by Curie or French is denying her huge role in bringing women's equality.

[@ingalien8102]

I live in Germany and there's a school nearby called the Marie-Curie Schule. And it's not even a good one. 😑 I wonder if they ever mention "Sklodowska".

[@scarlett8123]

Actually, the first Polish feminist is Nawojka :)

[@KateeAngel]

Yes refering to a woman by her husband's identity alone is very misogynistic and was really common in the past. And I think Maria really fought against that by keeping her surname

[@clumpybrain1858]

im not polish, but i get the anger erasing someone's history is never okay, even if its such a simple thing as "saying they're from another country" she's polish, lived in france, was still polish - its that easy

[@jotbe99]

Erasing someone's history is always okay, especially polish history.

[@miniak2708]

​@@jotbe99ragebait used to be believable

[@OsirusHandle]

lol becomes ironic now when someone who lives abroad gets to be called a local if its convienient for them too

[@bubunistka]

As a Ukrainian, it’s so relatable, Russian Empire fucked up our culture, too. When you culture is erased for centuries and now when we are trying to restore it and someone calls a prominent Ukrainian - Russian, my blood starts boiling and a lot of people abroad are just like “you are overreacting”. so I totally get it why Polish people are pissed off in this situation. Thank you for the video!

[@MalyNieogar]

@@marikafasola3780such an obvious bot, try harder

[@oleksandrbyelyenko435]

@@bubunistka indeed.

[@BubbleBeeee]

@@marikafasola3780 Russian bot detected

[@cyjanek_potasu_kcn4582]

@@marikafasola3780 what about polish signs like "ł" and "ó", huh?

[@BubbleBeeee]

@@marikafasola3780 I’m Polish I know about the massacre. You on the other hand, are either Russian or 14

[@washulis]

I think this sentiment is shared amongst most post soviet countries. We all have a difficult relationship of cultural erasure, and in a lot of cases even before the 20th century. For example the "great soviet era movie director" Sergei Eisenstein who made the movie "Battleship Potemkin". Well, he wasnt russian and it irks me he is, like so many others, referred as such. He was latvian, his interest of directing and montage began in Latvia. He worked in the soviet movie industry because latvian movie industry didnt exsist anymore bcs occupation. Doesnt make him less latvian. He aint just Сергей Эйзенштейн, he is Sergejs Eizenšteins.

[@raccoons_stole_my_account]

Fuck I am a movie buff and I didn't know this. Fucking russians.

[@kjarakravik4837]

That's crazy, Latvia isn't even a slavic country

[@OsirusHandle]

People call the USSR Russia or the soviet russian empire, despite them making up only half of the whole thing. Soviets who died in ww2 == russians. And then after 1991 russia got to claim itself as the official successor of the USSR. Interestingly we forced ukraine to give the nukes they were stationing to russia too, as ukraine "wasnt stable enough".

[@helenahsson1697]

I don't get the argument that "she can't be Polish, Poland didn't exist back then". Well, Finland belonged to Sweden for about 500 years but that doesn't make Finnish people at that time Swedish. They were still Finns.

[@sloanpp]

watched beetlejuice in a polish cinema and the audience literally gasped at the scene

[@majazielinska909]

We are a bit cursed, Maria Sklodowska Curie - French! Kopernik - German, Chopin - French… They just won’t let us keep our achievements 😂 and let's nit forget about Joseph Conrad 😂

[@wishingonthemoon1]

In the US, as a pianist, it’s drilled into our head that Chopin is Polish and moved to France. He wrote Polish songs which are very popular in the USA-unfortunately Polish musicians don’t like the songs, saying they’re too simple and folky 😆 I like them tho

[@Bionickpunk]

I have never heard anyone call Nikola Kopernik German, it was always Polish.

[@quietviolence7957]

Exactly! But when it comes to bad people, they say they are Poles, e.g. Natanyahu (war criminal).

[@cisjedegeus4939]

Omg I was getting so uppity watching this video, especially as someone living abroad. Then I read this comment and I swear I believed Chopin was French. I’m so sorry 😭 the erasure is real 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@jarekwrzosek2048]

With Kopernik, the contestation of his nationality is kinda fair, as back when he lived (between 15th -16th century), there was no concept of nationality, and we don't have a clue how he identified himself.

[@CCoburn3]

Sure. The Irish can sympathize. They went through the same thing -- for CENTURIES.

[@bastian33o2]

Yeah, the Polish and the Irish went through similar scenarios.

[@KateeAngel]

Scottish the same. Every time they were just called "British scientist". And what about Welsh? They aren't even mentioned really that often.

[@CCoburn3]

@@KateeAngel Sure. But at least “British” is a more general term. Often the Celtic people under British rule are merely called “English.” Thus, the term “English scientists” is applied to Irish, Scottish,or Welsh scientists.

[@CuteLewaczka]

​@@bastian33o2even with religion 🫣 *I hope so*

[@Laurabeck329]

@@CCoburn3 Wales is so erased it's not even on the royal coat of arms

[@thepolishlatina]

As a Dominican living in Poland I have been so pleasantly surprised with how many important people were born in Poland❤❤❤❤

[@yann6109]

Some people want to talk about famous woman's achievements to look feminist, but then only call her by her husband's name and erase her nationality in favour of his nationality. How curious.

[@mossfrog9720]

The same reason people in my family do the same with any famous indigenous person “people tried to erase us and we can’t let them do it again”

[@saraquill]

I still remember during Black History Month, my wyt teacher was proud to say Crispus Attucks was famous for being mixed Black and Indigenous. I wanted to know what he was famous for. She doubled down and reiterated his ancestry, even when I reminded her I’m also Black and Indigenous, as is my paternal family, it’s not unusual. Later that year she badmouthed my dad for having mixed Indigenous ancestry.

[@CyberMercy]

I was just thinking that, & im a child of immigrants For some Every day is Truth and Revonciliation Day

[@wasserman7273]

As Ukrainian..omg we hear this so often 'why is it so important to announce where actor, scientist, musician was born, got educated, matured. Why is it so important what language they used as native and what land they called Motherland? So what if it was Ukraine? But as long as they worked in Moscow (and of course in order to get resources you move to metropoly) - boom, they are Russian' But at the same time when country of origin is changed in museum for example they get so offended, so it IS important. And the most hurtful is to hear them asking question I saw in this comments - 'but where are your modern prominent scientists, musicians, actors?'..and the answer is eulogy from frontline, our brightest are erased again lije it was 100 years ago. And in 100 years they will come and say that our culture is so poor that we didn't manage to produce anything significant

[@blackthornbark]

that outside argument of culture boils my blood everytime.... it should be so obvious why occupied countries, countries torn by war, people struggling to survive don't produce that much art or poetry or books or whatnot. but already biased people who disregard or destroy already existing culture looove to play pretend

[@kjarakravik4837]

Someone else in the comments brought up the quote “I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.” by Stephen J. Gould, and I completely agree. There's a reason why the U.S., Russia and China win almost all the Olympic medals

[@amaryllis3]

5:54 to this day I remember reading The Labors of Sisyphus (Syzyfowe Prace) by Stefan Żeromski. If anyone is interested in a story (what we would call "coming of age" these days) set in those times I recommend it. It was based on the author's experience at school during russification

[@Meara]

I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO ACTUALLY LIKED "SYZYFOWE PRACE" 😭😭😭

[@fionad9913]

First (and last) novel I ever read in Polish. Not because it wasn't good, but, as Karolina says, "I am not going to lie" -- Polish really is a hard language for foreigners. The letters of the alphabet look like Latin letters, but the combinations produce very unexpected sounds for the non-Polish people.

[@ewa1629]

@@Mearait’s very informative, but I hate how the main character is written. It was interesting because of the historical context it gives about how russification worked.

[@Akisa37]

As a French I often saw the name Marie Curie (as name of schools or streets mainly) and until I was 25 I think, maybe more, I thought she was French. Because she had a french name. So yeah, they should use her real, polish name. Or her polish and french name. I mean at worst we butcher her name when we try to pronounce it cause we suck at langage (from lack of trying i think) but at least we know she isn't French.

[@pookpook3891]

Tbh I've always learned she was french and polish in school since it'd be quite insulting to deny her citizenship of our country we're used to stress that immigrants are french too. I really suspect that it's laziness at core that made everyone be like "yeah curie" since it's easier to pronounce for us and there is a tendency to not butcher anything for fear of sounding insulting here though it is true that we have also a tradition of never putting hyphenated names in street names and so on (ive learned recently of other celebrities having hyphenated names but we dont say them). I also suspect some patriarchal thinking : She was a woman married to a man last century and boom she has no longer her maiden name (i say that since until recently there were still debates about hyphenation). I carry an hyphenated name and its barely used as well because lazy amd useless to many folks -_-

[@Ghtrsklbnpmfakln2690]

Kościuszko hits do close to home. A fellow Belarusian guy made a small video recording Americans trying to pronounce his name, everyone failed despite living on the street named after Kościuszko😄 I’m on a mission to train my bf Polish pronunciation, he has made great progress so far with Stanisław Przybyszewski, he drove me crazy trying to pronounce that, but he nails it now, so proud of him💜

[@user-rh3er6ce7c]

As a Ukrainian with years of culture erasure by russians I FELT this video. I literally teared up when it was said that Maria Skłodowska-Curie named Polonium after Poland.

[@missssasyh3400]

I'm from Spain and in school we are taught that she was Polish. I think on it as basic culture. Also, Karolina, you look specially great in this video.

[@alapo5097]

Hi ! I'm french with polish roots (my great grand mother's name was Irena Brzezińska, she arrived in France during the 30's). I'm very proud of this heritage and I'm trying to learn polish. Thanks for your content, it helps me to understand a missing part of myself ❤ The erasure of Maria Skłodowska-Curie's identity is very problematic for polish culture and history. Also, misogyny is a big part of the problem imo. Sorry for my poor english and thanks a lot for your work ❤❤

[@dresden123456]

You know what annoys me the most? It's when American films/tv shows portray her with a very thick French accent. Just no. And i say it as a fellow Varsavian who's been living/working in France and Belgium half of my life. I also have an issue with ppl calling Chopin French but that's a rant for another day. BTW the tenement house she was born in (in Warsaw's New Town district) hosts a museum that has been recently renovated. Not a lot of her Warsaw stuff survived our tumultuous history but i still recommend a visit.

[@hitosan3771]

Yeah Chopin was literally called Polish by his French friends!! They knew, and people now should know too.

[@Curiescat-f5f]

OMG THIS IS SO REAL I WAS LIKE WTF WHEN I WATCHED HER FIRST BIOPIC FROM 1943 she did get a French accent when she got older tho, in 1904 her students said that her Polish accent is barely noticable and we can hear her French accent from 1931

[@DerangedManiac12]

Here in Chicago we have a Marie Sklodowska Curie High School. Does it use the French version of her first name? Yes. Is it often just called "Curie HS?" Also yes. But using her maiden name at all is wayyyyy more respect to her Polish identity than is usually paid in the US where she's mostly just known as "French science woman."

[@claudiadarling9441]

Makes sense considering Chicago has a lot of Polish cultural heritage.

[@DerangedManiac12]

@claudiadarling9441 Yup! That neighborhood used to be predominantly Polish too, I think. Lots of Polish street names. It's mostly Latino these days.

[@jobda1211]

to be fair if i remember correctly she used both variants (Maria/Marie) when she signed her documents so i don't think it's some terrible mistake

[@vytah]

​@@jobda1211Back then, adapting your given name to the language you were currently writing in was pretty common. Karl Marx signed his French language letters "Charles"

[@rudarudzik9483]

Immigrant perspective. I'm Polish woman living in Norway- I'm not fluent in Norwegian and I speak with a heavy accent. Few weeks ago during my eye check, I have very honest talk (fyi. in English) with the optician- he said to me that for me, a Slavic person would be better to talk in English with Norwegians, because I don't have any specific accent in English, a bit American but defiantly not Eastern-European- so Norwegians won't be biased towards me. Only if I master Norwegian at a native speaker level then maybe I'll be treated better and by better I mean equal, but still my Polish last name would show my ethnicity and for example you have to put your full name on your mailbox. The other issue that is very upsetting for me is how local peole objective women from countries like mine- age gap is a big issue for me and some many times I've been approached by a man twice my age. I think that's disgusting predatory behavior

[@Bildgesmythe]

Dang, that's horrible.

[@EmL-kg5gn]

I’m so sorry! They should respect your dignity instead of treating you this way

[@UndeadCrabstick]

Why does it matter if you have an accent or are a foreigner? You're showing respect to them by speaking the language and appreciating the culture. Isn't that enough? Also ngl but I heard that Norwegians are accepting of outsiders. Is that misinformation?

[@nooneimportant4961]

@@UndeadCrabstick Well, Western Europe loves to potray itself as the most tolerant place on Earth and shit on Eastern Europe for being so backwards and racist, but they themselves will often discriminate Slavs and Eastern Europeans in general. And they can get away with it, because we Slavs are white, just not "the right kind of white." They wouldn't say the same shit they say about us to black people's faces for example, cause that would be racist, but saying shit like "go back to your country, you're stealing out jobs, you're alcoholics, thieves and savages" to Slavs? Totally acceptable lol. Not everyone is like that of course, but if a Western European doesn't accept Slavs in their country and says it out loud, nobody will bat an eye and call him out for discrimination, because nobody cares. It's always been like that.

[@beastghostt]

No one can ever let the Poles have a win smh why is the universe out to squash Polish history

[@Zarosu123]

Poland cannot into space

[@erdood3235]

The best they can do is oppress others, like Jews and Ukrainians, for ultimately no personal benefits

[@Teuwufel]

Honestly, I believe that's because of jealousy.

[@jablonian]

@@Zarosu123 Sorry to break it to ya but Poland was in space in 1978

[@rainpooper7088]

@jablonian Wow, an entire country shot into space. And I thought the German escape attempts from the Eastern bloc were creative.

[@Ciara_Turner]

Clicked so fast on this one. I dont know much about polish history and am very excited to learn

[@bernadettebanner]

Today I learned how hard I've been mispronouncing Lempicka 💀

[@annafirnen4815]

Hi Bernadette, it's ok, now you know 😁

[@lonelygovernment4544]

I moved to Germany when I was 10 and I can't imagine being called German, even when I get my German passport. I can't imagine how she must've felt when people just forgot her name and the fact that she was polish 😑

[@aestheticcx3]

I’ve lived in England since 9. If someone called me British I’d lose my shit.

[@prkp7248]

I said oath of allegiance to the german state and flag when you took german citizenship, or what you call "passport" (citizenship is much more than small book that we use on the border). No Pole would do that. You are a German honey, go on, marry Helga, Hilda or Hans.

[@OsirusHandle]

​@@aestheticcx3people say otherwise now, you live here for 5 seconds and you have full right to determine what is and isnt british 😂

[@FuryClouds]

I like saying "Curie" with a thick Polish accent after saying her full name. High-key recommend

[@Chomikmk]

This is genius

[@ankabarczak3114]

@@FuryClouds is it Maria Kuria?👍

[@jotbe99]

Polluting french language with barbaric pronunciation should't be recommended, actually.

[@luminakittycarolymonroeaqu4933]

​@@jotbe99 What makes French a better language than other language?

[@hananatsu]

Maria Skłodowska-Kiri, the famous cream cheese inventor (hilariously enough, the Kiri brand is french)

[@OlessanYT]

I'm not even REMOTELY Polish (Australian of Irish/English/French descent) and the fact that people CONSTANTLY refer to Maria as French drives me up the wall. It's disrepespectful both to her nationality and the woman herself, because they're 1: erasing her Polish heritage, something she herself tried to prevent, and 2: are misogynistically viewing her by her husband's nationality, when as far as I can tell he did absolutely nothing of longstanding note besides marry and assist this queen of a woman. It should frankly be the other way around. Pierre (I had to look him up) should be known as Piotr Skłodowska. This is an excellent video (like, as usual, but like, it's an important topic related to Maria Skłodowska), thank you for making it. It's hopefully going to go on to educate people.

[@andruloni]

with full-on polonization he would be Skłodowski

[@KateeAngel]

This is just usual misogyny of identifying women by their husband's identity. Very disturbing. Also, so common among scientists really, who were born in one place but worked in the other. I have seen multiple examples. I guess it merits mentioning both where the person is from and where they worked

[@HelF666]

Just a little linguistic fun fact: in polish we have separate suffix variations for male and female last names. So in this case, Skłodowska is the female variation that ends with -ska, and the male variant ends with -ski. So if he took Maria's last name he would be named Skłodowski.

[@bobstone0]

Yes, surnames in Polish have gender. Thanks to this, you know more about someone by their surname alone.

[@IncredCo]

Pierre Curie is a renowned physicist in his own right with published works in magnetism (with Curie's law named after him), crystallography and piezoelectrity and of course radioactivity. I get that you're emotional about defending Marie's wishes and cultural heritage, but that doesn't give you a free pass to discredit another physicist and all his work just because you want to girlboss around.

[@mio26k82]

Firstly it is extremely funny when someone call woman feminist icon but at the same time use only surename and nationality of her husband lol. When she herself wanted to have double surename on her second Noble prize. Well that's what happened when ignorant people try to flex knowledge. It becomes good joke.

[@coeurdechoeur]

I'm a French teacher, and whenever she comes up in class, I always remind my students that she was originally from Poland and use her full name. Now it's funny, because kids who are already struggling to say French words really don't like me making them say "Skłodowska" too. 🤣

[@Curiescat-f5f]

PLEASE UPDATE US ON IT IN THE FUTURE Thanks for the idea btw if there's a non Polish person I dislike imma make them say Skłodowska🤭

[@KamiJ-xx6qm]

Fun fact: first woman to sail around the world solo was also Polish - Krystyna Chojnowska-Liskiewicz :)

[@MoniBahaa]

I'm Egyptian and I wholeheartedly sympathize.

[@koobyn]

can’t believe i am now a czech person for studying in a czech university 😍🇵🇭✨

[@Hana_H]

Lol vítej

[@jobda1211]

i don't know if it's on purpose but cudos for using filipines flag

[@koobyn]

@@Hana_H ahoj 😍🇸🇮

[@nunkol]

She's a gem, of course French wanted to claim her. Disgusting that it happens to this day though.

[@augth]

She was an immigrant. She was Polish yes, but she was also French.

[@Curiescat-f5f]

If the French are so desparate in this why is Skłodowska written on her grave?

[@UndeadCrabstick]

@@augth Given how Europeans view their identity no. Being married to a Frenchman doesn't make you french.

[@blackcrow4218]

​@@augth 😂 you are funny . So if She was a man and Pierre was a woman and she take him to Poland that would make him Polish ? 😂😂

[@Guusagi]

even I get heated about this topic and i'm not that patriotic lmao! especially as a polish person who lived in france in the past, ppl calling me french would annoy me so much😂

[@dominikak7238]

Finally someone mentions that the flying university was actually organised by a woman! I remember how at my school during history lessons we would be taught it was all about men fighting for freedom and ladies "just wearing" some patriotic jewellery or clothes...

[@elisanereis1860]

Here in Brazil we learn that Maria SKŁODOWSKA Curie was polish. I've never seen (here) any mention of her being french. Maybe this is a french (or some other countries) thing?

[@elisanereis1860]

*including US.

[@h.l.5103]

MariA SKŁODOWSKA-Curie

[@Hana_H]

In Czechia we learn about her being a polish scientist working in France

[@elisanereis1860]

@@h.l.5103 You're right. Sorry. I made the correction. Curiously, Maria in my language is also Maria (one more reason for me to remember not to write it Marie) Thanks.

[@Lacmene8]

Il French and I've rarely seen her be called French here either, like outside of weirdo nationalists most people know she's Polish

[@elaisamisstery1577]

Thank you very much for this video. As a Ukrainian, I felt such a familiar feeling. This is not the first time that such situations have happened to our historical figures, and they have chosen the perfect arshumets to explain to the natives why this is not right. It is only worse when historical figures from your city who spoke your language and were proud Ukrainians are attributed to your colonizer only because this historical figure was born when your country was occupied by the Russian Empire, aka Zinaida Serebryakova, Ilya Ripin, Malevich and so on.

[@jayjaybee]

The Polish people have had to go through so much at home and abroad, they have every right to tenaciously hold on to their successes.

[@jamestolson2804]

Thanks! Before this video I didn't know her polish family name.

[@marekfalda95]

The whole attitude „she was French cause she married a French guy” is just so fucking patriarchal.

[@tralala688]

I wonder how that works in case of divorces or remarrying ;)

[@jankowalski6338]

@@tralala688 well, women belong to their husbands.

[@Marticore]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure she would be considered Polish if it were the other way around

[@dontmindmefangirling3123]

It isn't? If I live in a country for years, marry with someone there and live there, I'm pretty sure I earned the right to be called whatever nationality is native there

[@OlessanYT]

@@jankowalski6338 Incorrect, low quality male. You wouldn't know this because you've never known the touch of a woman, but males belong to their wives.

[@Sanders-vd3tp]

why are Polish people so obsessed with Marie Curie being Polish? BeCaUsE sHe WaS PoLiSh!!! Also, I met a guy from Canada who was sure that Chopin was French 😭 I assume that's common too. Which is heartbreaking, because Chopin was a refugee. Erasing his identity like that is so wrong.

[@Mia199603]

Not only was he a refugee, but also his final wish was for his heart to return to Poland after his death. I'm not as pressed about recognizing his heritage as I am about recognizing how he identified. To disregard it so callously is monstrous.

[@owlplaysgames3910]

I have Polish heritage (American, with immigrants a few gens back) and doing Ancestry years ago really drove home for me the history of colonization. Being born in the same city for a few generations would have three different countries listed. I really wish I knew more about that side of me (although, the music and the language coming out at a funeral when I was a teen was FANTASTIC) and I cannot pronounce the names right... But it's important to me with my white American middle class privilege to learn to pronounce any non-English names as close to correctly as I can (auditory processing issues don't help) and I'm so grateful for this video and the rundown. I was taught NONE of this when we learned about her in school, except maybe a side "actually, she was born Polish."

[@Betysch]

Hi, I'm Czech, so being from a neighbouring country we were thought her name properly, however for some reason the name is reversed in Czech (Curie-Skłodowska). 🤔And of course we learned, she was Polish. This was in the 90's and 00's, so I hope the kids are learning it today too, though. I totally get the frustration over misspronunciation of names. I understand Dvořák, nobody knows what that weird thing over the R is, but Alfons Mucha? I have sort of given up on teaching foreigners (save Slovaks and Poles) my very Czech name. 😂

[@CarpeDiem19097]

it can be both skłodowska-curie and curie-skłodowska, she was using both variations! the first one just got more popular in poland

[@Betysch]

@@CarpeDiem19097 Ah, I see! Thanks for making it clearer.

[@ghostdagreat]

The pain of trying to get your name pronounced properly by English speakers is something shared by all us Slavs 😭 Russians have it a little easier for some reason but I think it's because they're more mainstream in American media

[@aradanat231]

In addition, there's a university in Lublin named after her, and it's officially called Uniwersytet Marii Curie-Skłodowskiej. Afaik both of these variations came to use because maiden name first works according to rules of Polish language, while maiden name second - of French.

[@olakeska7908]

​@@aradanat231 actually there are no rules in Polish. Both versions are valid and legal. But most use "maiden" as a first with the logic that they are adding second surname to the one that they already have

[@Sweetthang9]

Its like when Tyra Banks kept expressing that Katarzyna Dolinska's name was difficult to say on cycle 10 of America's Next Top Model, even though she repeated it every...single...week...and Tyra would either joke about it or give up on it. Like girl. Then her modeling agency just shortened it to "Kat Doll". *Price is Right sad theme*

[@mr8029]

Honestly, I believe it is part of the reason why she was eventually eliminated. Banks is a very egoistic, arrogant person who really keeps grudges; she was getting more and more resentful over the fact a contestant dares to correct her

[@olivianisle705]

Karolina is doing the Lord's work

[@PaweMateuszBytner]

-How do they call a famous Pole in the West? -A French.

[@InfinityMind1]

Smart French xD

[@sarahwatts7152]

I can totally understand why Polish people would want to rip sh*t up over this. I knew she was Polish but not much else; now with more context I'm 100% on board with getting people to do better on this one

[@annakwiat93]

Can you do one on Kopernik because I feel the same exact thing happens with him too, no one other than Poles know that he was Polish.

[@cozyaboutbooks]

Właśnie sprawdziłam opinie na redicie. Jest uważany za Prusaka/Niemca.

[@tyalangand]

Kopernik AND Chopin (at least in Chopin's case, he really WAS half-French, but he still grew up in Poland and was very tied to his Polish identity).

[@Teuwufel]

@@tyalangand his heart (I mean it as the organ from the body) resides in Poland and that's enough to say.

[@InsoIence]

@@cozyaboutbooks Opinion =/= Fact

[@dado__]

As an American, I did know he was Polish, and I think part of the reason we use Copernicus is it's how his name got to the UK: via his scientific texts, written in Latin. We also know Georg Baeur as Georgius Agricola, and Tommaso d'Aquino as Thomas Aquinas. I consider these acceptable as these people translated their own names in Latin on purpose, rather than it being forced upon them.

[@Skrzacik]

We are just fed up with westerners thinking that famous Polish people weren't Polish just because polish surnames are too difficult for them to pronounce or write. Maria was obviously not only Polish, but also a patriot, naming polonium after Poland is such an obvious proof of that. Stop this agonizing erasure of Poles in world history :(

[@brainwheeze6328]

I was aware that there was controversy regarding her nationality, but watching your video it's clear that Maria Skłodowska-Curie was Polish and identified as such, and just how much people have tried to rewrite the history surrounding her.

[@laurendisney]

I didn't know she was Polish, I was taught she was French. Definitely going to make sure my kids are taught better. Thank you for this video and the education!

[@ingridannasdottir]

It reminds me of the quote of Uzoamaka Aduba: "If they can learn to say Tchaikovsky and Michelangelo and Dostoyevsky, they can learn to say Uzoamaka." So in this case... "If they can learn to say Tchaikovsky and Michelangelo and Dostoyevsky, they can learn to say Maria Skłodowska-Curie." I am happy to say that in the Netherlands - or at least at my school - we learned that she was Polish and married a Frenchman. Edit: I'm almost now doubting if I wanna learn Polish, but I'm already working on German and Romanian, so maybe adding a third one is a bit much for now :x

[@Curiescat-f5f]

Well to be honest it didn't take me a month to learn and 3 more months to practice the other names

[@aa634]

It is all so true, and then you also have this undertones of sexism. Denying a women her own, choosen identity because she got married is so sad and in this day and age we should know better. She was born and raised polish, she felt polish, but the day a women marries she looses all of her identity. She is striped of her name and nationality. And even if she reclaims that by using ger own name, she can never escape people who will try and do anything they can to deny her that agency.

[@auroramayyy]

I was homeschooled and I knew Marie Curie was polish....I distinctly remember learning about her childhood. Ig the curriculum my family used was good

[@Anna-mi8cq]

And you still got her name wrong.

[@auroramayyy]

@@Anna-mi8cq Gee sorry, Maria Salomea Skłodowska-Curie

[@Anna-mi8cq]

@@auroramayyy Geee... well, this whole video was about erasing Maria's polish identity.

[@chaklunkaparfum]

To answer a question in the title: for the same reason I as Ukrainian clench my teeth whenever "Shchedryk" ("Carol of the bells") melody is used somewhere and Mykola Leontovych is not credited. When someone or something is a part of a particular nation and it's history and culture, it should be vocalised as such

[@eloethel6741]

I remember learning "Shchedryk" in choir when I was in music school, and being so excited to learn where the melody is actually from! I always think about it, and the cultural origins of it, every time i hear any variation of it, still remember the words even 15 years later :)) I'm so glad our choir teacher picked the original

[@user-is7xs1mr9y]

Dude I had no idea!! I love that melody so thank you for sharing this, I'll definitely check the original.

[@torreyholmes7205]

When I was 10-years old I read a biography of Marie Curie and thought she was awesome. I didn't understand international politics, but I knew she grew up in Poland, moved to France and became famous. At about that time (this was over 50 years ago) I had a teacher who asked the class, "Can you name a famous French scientist?" I said "Marie Curie" and the teacher went pretty ballistic (she was expecting Louis Pasteur). "Marie Curie is Polish! Polish! Polish!" I was a little kid and really didn't see the distinction.

[@nice_fecken_lady]

And you still got her name wrong

[@ThatEgoisticGirl]

You still don't. If you did you would call her Maria Skłodowska-Curie.

[@Curiescat-f5f]

Now we need to see the sequel: "can you name a Polish scientist?" "Piotr Skłodowski!"

[@Curiescat-f5f]

​@@ThatEgoisticGirlno thanks bc instead of politics I would like to focus on what she actually wanted... which is to honor her husband's name.(I might be the biggest hypocrite ever for calling him Piotr Skłodowski but I still like the concept of them swapping last names)

[@maxe159]

You've done a great job of doing this ethnic history on curie. This is very difficult work to prove, and not only did you find the most clear cut examples and gave them first, you also did a wonderful job showcasing why ethnic history is so hard especially in this period of history

[@olakeska7908]

Again, Skłodowska - Currie!

[@dampfoxes]

It is supremely disappointing that a movie as popular as the new Beetlejuice is maintaining such a lie. At best they were ignorant, at worst they didn't care. It's right there on her Wikipedia page ffs. They couldn't google it to double-check? Maria Skłodowska-Curie became French, but she was Polish first and foremost and always. As someone from another country that is often overlooked and achievements not always recognised, the anger is extremely valid, especially given Poland's history of oppression. Put some fucking respect on her name 🇵🇱

[@zagorskaewelina]

Dziękuję. To świetne podsumowanie i serio, wzruszyłam się, gdy mówiłaś o naszej historii i tym, że Polska była taka ważna dla Marii

[@olganesterowicz2112]

I noticed that Poles have their identity erased, notoriously by some folks who believe only Jewish people suffered in the WWII and as if there weren't Romani people, Poles, Russians etc. Also there is a hate campaign against Poland, because Poland is more conservative than the rest of Europe (as a feminist, I don't say it's a good thing, though). E.g. as a Rush fan, I have the same issue with Geddy Lee from the Canadian progressive rock band - RUSH (a guy of Polish descent and Jewish religion) badmouthing Poland on the pages 45, 46, 73, 80 of My Effin' Life, Geddy's autobiography from November 2023. Shame. I wanted to see this prog rock band in Poland. And Geddy Lee meanwhile had to generalize against the whole Polish population as "antisemitic", because of his family's bias. And of course, the mainstream media wants to tell us - Poles that we never contributed to anything, science-wise.

[@Teuwufel]

Jewish people, especially Israelites are constantly badmouthing us, which is very disappointicng when you notice that we Poles under the threat of death penalty tried to help them and save them the most out of other countries.

[@XHitsugaX]

All of Europe including Russia had a long history of being antisemitic. The catholics have a long history of antisemitism. Now sterotypically calling every pole an antisemite is wrong. But ignoring the general trends? I know many poles and Russians. Most of them still have a view of the jew as being sneaky, two faced and money hungry. So you are literally denying geddy lees lived experience?

[@paulsevenitz616]

Yeah.. and german perpetrators are called nazi ..as if the nazis were some aliens who Took the Germans Hostage..Germans were the murderers

[@olganesterowicz2112]

Sad...

[@Mia199603]

Or simply Jewish Poles, whose families lived in Poland for generations and identified as Poles. Nobody seems to remember that Poland was a safe haven of religious freedom for centuries, lots of Jewish people fled to Poland in the 19th century. Polish government, right after Poland regained independence in 1918, when antisemitism was on the rise all throughout Europe, was all for establishing Israel and getting Jews to safety. Our military trained and armed Jewish paramilitary groups stationed on Polish soil. Meanwhile nobody wanted to receive Jewish refugees when WWII started, FDR waited until the last moment to refuse aid because he had an upcoming reelection and was scared of losing votes of Polish Americans. Polish government didn't blame Jews for the war, it was the Catholic Church (the same that loved Hitler and his goons) that instilled antisemitism in Poles pre-war, and stalinism took the reins on this questionable endeavor after the war ended. I'm a Polish communist myself, but I can't refuse that Russian communism was antisemitic. It was the reason why Jews fled to Poland after Russian revolutions in the first place.

[@LilliannaWinterLilly]

I could hug you for this. You touched on so many things that we all experience when discussing our Polish culture and history. Thank you.

[@chelseashurmantine8153]

I’m reading a book on history of women bicycling called “Revolution on Two Wheels” and they said that she and her husband got married and rode off to their honeymoon on bikes. She loved her bike and bikes won so many battles for polish revolutionaries , even after the occupiers stole their bikes.

[@caitbarry9617]

This is important because there are probably a lot of people who genuinely don't know she's Polish because of all this erasure. This comment section made me realise we have a slightly more lighthearted version of this in Scotland with Andy Murray, the Scottish tennis player - except for when he wins Wimbledon at which point he magically becomes Andy Murray, the British tennis player....

[@Dawn_Hannah]

Along the same line, but a bit deeper issue… As an American learning Gaelic, it’s painfully clear how much it was erased and ignored, both Irish and Scottish. So, so many names were changed by England/English speakers because either Gaelic was outlawed, thought of as less-than, or that same old idea that it was “too hard”. Even today, Scottish Gaelic still faces discrimination and hatred(not only in Scotland and the UK, but also in Canada and the US).

[@irynaboiko523]

As a Ukrainian, I fully support you in your rage. Everything mentioned here about the Polish history of oppression and occupation, can be multiplied by 3 to get a feel of Ukrainian history. So many Ukrainian artists, scientists, and writers are referred to as "russian" in the West due to centuries of russian occupation, and so many more never even realized their full potential due to being killed or repressed. So often we are made to think that our cultures are lesser just because they did not have the colonial funding and imperial support to develop that countries like France, Great Britain, or russia had.

[@chelseashurmantine8153]

Wow this video is so amazing. People’s identities are so important

[@Krvking]

Karolina I absolutely love your videos! Let me tell you that I am 69 years old and have never known about Madam Curie. I also thought that she was French. I have to tell you that I love when you do videos like this. I always learn something from all of your videos! Thank you, Kathy V.