The problem with 5v5 is DPS | OW2 Hot Takes #52

[@lyzder7298]

The thing with Lifeweaver is that his tools are designed to alleviate bad positioning and provide better positioning, but bad players will keep making positional mistakes, which makes LW feel the more useless when teamed with bad players

[@jacob3761]

Yea his life grip can feel like it has WAY to long of a cooldown when you have a team that keeps throwing themselves in terrible spots… so many times I could have saved a teammate from death but I had to pull the tank back from going too far into the enemies and getting themselves almost killed

[@blue_tetris]

Yeah. Either the CD needs reworked or some additional benefit needs added, to serve actual gameplay. High ELO teams don't need him and low ones can't make use of him.

[@sevret313]

Lifeweaver doesn't just allivate bad positioning, but also makes more aggressive plays viable as he's your getaway driver.

[@christhiantrevisan8084]

True, when used with a team that has half a brain he can be a really good support That being said Imo the way his healing work is awful, he is just a pylon controled by a player

[@khaledm.1476]

It doesn't help when the lifeweaver usually is a dumber player than you. So their idea of "bad position" is not always true. Kinda wish you could cancel life grip with interact button if you don't want it

[@jrskeen1337]

Hot Take: Gold/Plat is fine and underrated. I have been playing since OW1 release day. 1-3 minute queue times are worth more in the long run than stressing about climbing just to flex my e-muscles to the internet about "being in masters". I'm an adult with other stuff to do. Time is something you can't get back and I don't want to spend any more of it than I have to waiting for a snowball game of Throne of Anubis. I'm content with the middle and you can be too, there is fun to be had everywhere. Life is short, embrace your metal rank, do your best and have fun.

[@eleonarcrimson858]

i dont get this, you say there is fun to be had everywhere but you talk about masters players in a negative way. either as arrogant or they spend more time in the game and dont spend enough in their real life. Let the masters players have their fun, and have your own fun.

[@jrskeen1337]

@@eleonarcrimson858 The take is that gold/plat is a perfectly fine place to be. I contend that queue times are a big factor for me in that equation (because I do indeed have other stuff to do outside of gaming so short queue times means I get to play more games). Everyone shits on metal ranks and that they deserve/strive to be in higher ranks because "that is where the fun/good quality games are". OW players are under some weird impression that Masters is the holy land and the only way to have good experiences in the game. But good games can happen in all ranks. I didn't say anything about Masters players, I spoke about myself. The stress of climbing and worrying about SR, losing streaks wasn't worth it just to say I am in Masters. Any other questions let me know. Happy Friday!

[@artilire]

I'm still in silver

[@jsmooth8655]

Yes!! I’m in masters on Support, plat tank, and diamond DPS and I NEVER play support cause the times are always 8+ minutes. And the game quality isn’t better cause people don’t really communicate in games. I’ve been dabbling in open que and that’s been more fun(as long as as it’s 2-1-2 or 3-0-2)

[@XDPROWoNDeRz]

It’s literally the same in real life with wealth if you’re wealthy people will have more negative connotations about them for no reason

[@Scorchx23]

Hot take: widow is easily the most broken-by-concept hero and it’s not close. She’s the only hero in the game who simply has to exist and stand down a sight line and then is the number 1 priority of any game, even if they don’t hit their shots.

[@allanlugo7842]

Sombra is not sombra anymore and people have to complain against any other hero who they have skill issue dealing with 😂

[@coolshirtkid]

yup, sometimes i go window just for disruption and it actually works every time! or if we are getting farmed by an enemy widow i’ll go widow just to harass and distract them even if im not the best widow

[@Scorchx23]

@@allanlugo7842 it’s not a skull issue. The hero INTRINSICALLY poses the threat of being instantly killed from almost anywhere on the map. You can be going 0-10 and yet the enemy still needs to respect it and make her the top priority to deal with. I’m not saying it doesn’t take skill, but it is broken by concept.

[@allanlugo7842]

@Scorchx23 she has been like that since season 9 i think and now that sombra is not as annoying people decide to complain? Excuse me but that screams skill issue

[@Scorchx23]

I don’t think your understanding my argument at all bro. Widow has always been like this, and I’ve always said this. I’m not saying widow is an easy broken hero, she takes a lot of skill. All I’m saying is name another hero which isn’t a tank where as soon as that hero is selected, no matter if they’re going 26-0 or 0-10, everyone stops what they’re doing to counter/target them.

[@AddiJadeZoe]

"Overwatch would be a better game if they removed their primary money making system" is CRAZY LMAO

[@denny8422]

that quickplay take is unholy

[@Th3D4nny]

And all that just to avoid playing comp.

[@wallums968]

You know he thought he ate with that look in the thumbnail. Ok diva!!

[@kimahrironso3128]

He did eat

[@wallums968]

@ yeah you’re right

[@kit5850]

@@wallums968 omfg

[@Bufubarion]

it's giving fierce

[@weaponized_senpai9698]

Hot take: MirrorWatch Sombra is way more fun than current Sombra, it's better than locking out abilities. Support Sombra felt amazing boosting your partners with hack and getting to do it far away, you can still dps if you are capable of multitasking. The ult felt amazing and in my opinion much better than EMP. I love Sombra as a character and she is fun but I had more fun Supporting my team. (I'm a flex player so I play all roles but my worst is DPS)

[@Yoghurt890]

Exactly what I was thinking!! She was SO much fun, even though a real "Support Sombra" would need some tweaking

[@starburst630]

This is a true hot take .

[@kimahrironso3128]

Lol Rammatras identity is "shitting through reinhardt's shield"?

[@bigfudge2031]

Well, it's better than his identity being "the guy whose only job is to break shields"

[@snewp_e2139]

⁠@@bigfudge2031except thats not his job? Holy you have left some bad comments lately. Take a hike

[@bigfudge2031]

@snewp_e2139 but that is literally what they made him into at the start of this season. That is Blizzard idea, not mine. I don't think you grasp what sarcasm is.

[@mirage8164]

​@@snewp_e2139 bro what? Did you even understand what he said? Maybe keep your anger in check because its making you go blind

[@aurockson2696]

HOT TAKE: Karq intentionally misreads or misunderstands the hot takes here for comment bait.

[@blue_tetris]

Releasing a new hero as OP has proven good for the community in the long run. The reason Kiriko, Mauga, and Venture wound up in a more normal spot is because they had a few months where players saw them in every game and had to learn how to work with them as allies. Lifeweaver wasn't afforded the opportunity. Even if his kit is perfectly balanced, people rarely play him because teams didn't learn how to work him... and people can't learn how to work with a Lifeweaver because no one plays him. It's a "deadly spiral" effect and it can't be fully remedied with tweaks at this stage.

[@S1erra107]

Been saying this ever since Roadhog got his wild buffs in OW1, where they lowered his ROF but his one shot damage was insane, and then they nerfed the damage but didn’t revert the ROF change. He got objectively nerfed, but people learned to play Hog outside of a meme because of it so his playtime went up

[@ItsThatKidGreg]

Yeah. I'd add people don't know how to give the weaver the best case scenario either. Without voice chat, it's hard to tell a teammate "hey watch for my dive "while in a team fight

[@ChronicBonir]

Hot take on the hot take: I think ppl complaining abt skins is just straight up dumb and I’m glad u brought that up for ops take. I don’t personally think ow1 would’ve sustained itself to this current day with the game being a 60$ single purchase meanwhile every other team based shooter (hero/fps or otherwise) currently is free to play. I say this as someone who finally got to get into the game from it becoming free, me and sooo many of my friends would have NEVER actually tried to pick up the game due to the fact we don’t want to spend 60$ on a brand new game that we don’t even know how to play at first nor if we would even like it. People don’t want to hear it but games like these NEED a balance of new players and old/long lasting players, making it free makes this so much easier, but in turn they of course have to sell skins to keep the servers up and the staff paid. As much as I hate blizzard/activision as a company I genuinely think the choice to make ow free (NOT replacing it entirely w 5v5 and calling it sequel and not delivering on promised story content.) was the best thing they could’ve done for this game.

[@gregoryj547]

Overwatch is definitely still fun. I think a good amount of people just can't accept they're going to lose half the time no matter what lol

[@TigerKirby215]

"Problem with 5v5 is DPS" guy heard Flats say it one time and didn't listen to why he thinks that way.

[@Octovol]

I mean overall I think the damage output of the dps heroes is a problem, it's what is necessitating the high healing and mitigation for the other roles to stand any chance of being as impactful. But it's compounded in 5v5 by 1 tank having two tanks worth of health/mitigation to the point that you have to dedicate both dps and some other damage or debuff sources to take them out. The damage hero players are used to being solo and their contribution being the only thing that matters, so their expectation of being able to take out any hero on their own is part of the problem. They're also not designed in a way that compliments a team but the players that flock to this role dont want it that way anyway.

[@turbinefromblackops2138]

Hot Take: Sym has genuinely one of the most fun kits in the game. Her Teleporter allows for so much different varieties to engage, or to pop in then immediately back out through the tele to disengage. Plopping down three turrets then teleporting them into a backline to suddenly bombard someone is an absolute blast, air shotting with her her orbs is really enjoyable. And I stand by that I think she has one of the most underrated ults in the game, blocking a rein shatter with a predicted sym wall is such an unreal feeling

[@ihopeyouandicanbefriends]

i love sym dude. im always hesitant to play her even though shes my best character and my only gold gun, cuz shes so cancer to play against that i feel bad

[@davidzhou3923]

Playing Overwatch in healthy does is such an important thing.

[@Alibium]

5:50 why do I feel like they just can’t afford any skins at all and so they’re mad at people who have skins 💀

[@sylspren9007]

Many people definitely think Internet culture is hate watching things you hate just to dump on the people who do like it. It's so prevalent in Overwatch and most recently Dragon Age. If you don't like something, please put your energy and time into something you do like. For your own health people.

[@bigfudge2031]

There is a fine line between love and hate. If people are putting in the time and effort to hate something/someone, it means they have an attachment to it and they don't like how it changed, but they still hold out hope that it can go back to the thing they fell in love with.

[@mirage8164]

​@@bigfudge2031 you are right but lets not release all our hatred on comments which we didn't even understand

[@music4lturtle]

Hot? take: Kiriko needs QoL buffs. The correct solution to balancing her was always just lengthening her cooldowns- I'm so tired of throwing a suzu at 2 teammates and having one of them be just outside the radius, or ghost clapping and not TPing. At least make the abilities feel good and consistent like they used to. The other day, I tried to TP away from a rein pin, clapped, dissappeared, reappeared pinned, and then he threw me off the map and my ability was on cooldown even though I didn't get to actually teleport (and it wasn't on high ping or anything.. it was 40 ms). To be honest, I would take another second longer on her cooldown just to have full launch duration and radius suzu. To generalize this take, I hate nerfs that make abilities feel worse to use- tweak healing/damage numbers and durations and cooldowns all you want, but nerfing the actual gameplay experience of using an ability can make fun characters just FEEL bad to play.

[@joshuabujosa5477]

Yeah i agree sometimes TP feels like it comes back pretty fast for how valuable of a reposition it is

[@Octovol]

Sounds like you might have latency issues? There's definitely a bias to offensive abilities. I main Brig and the number of times I die with my shield fully up because the server took the precidence of an attack over my shield being raised is frustrating as hell. Same for Bash, my client shows me well out of the way, the server still says I got hit. So I do think there's an element of that, but usually it's only evident, that I've noticed, before the ability activates.

[@bigfudge2031]

Hot take: We need a "competitive" mode that only allows DPS characters. A place for all the casual DPS players to go so the rest of us can play Overwatch without the DPS causing as many queue time issues or unbalanced team comps.

[@artilire]

Not sure about "need"

[@solidforge2016]

Wait... you're cooking. I'll send my silver DPS players to that mode so that they can see that they're trash tier at 1v1s.

[@bigfudge2031]

@@artilire At some point the devs are going to NEED a solution to the queue time problem, maybe this isn't it, but just throwing something out there.

[@snewp_e2139]

This is the worst take i’ve seen in a while, which is saying something. A one role gamemode would be pretty terrible, especially if its competitive. You already have deathmatch too so go play that lol

[@-.Outlaw.-]

@@bigfudge2031they fix it by making tank more fun and making the amount of heroes per role way more equal

[@paulatreides77]

1:53 Stealth can work for DPS but not the way Sombra currently uses it, though it will always be problematic (Skye in Paladins). Psylocke in Marvel Rivals will have some limited stealth, and it actually looks really well-integrated into her kit. I am very excited to try her out and see if they get DPS stealth "right."

[@Inviabledude45]

Sombra did work well in ow1. They made her invisibility a promblem with virus

[@brokentoy9]

If you paid attention to psylocke skills, she gets cooldown reduction when she lands abilities, which equals more stealth depending on your skill. Also, your ultimate gives you invincibility since no one can target you during it. Yeaaa, she is way better than sombra. Both stealth and kit. Sombra76 is a meme, but that's all sombra does now.

[@Inviabledude45]

@@brokentoy9 who mentioned sombra now. I think you need to back and read. Also what you just said doesn't sound like good design period. So i have to put pressure on the enemies and damage them to go into stealth when i would rather want to kill them? Or maybe you kill them in order to be able to go stealth again and get out but this has already been shown in games like paladins to be bad design because invisibility is not a good escape tool when people already know where you are and already have line of sight.

[@brokentoy9]

@Inviabledude45. Landing your other abilities just reduces ( shortens) her cooldowns if you have good aim, it just means you will have more stealth throughout the game than the average jeo. Also, her kit compliments this play style, unlike again SOMBRA.

[@brokentoy9]

@Inviabledude45 sombra was mentioned in the first sentence. Fyi.

[@athena3177]

Hot Take: the problem with Sombra's stealth isn't that she can go invis its the lack of counterplay to invis. In other games there are ways (abilities, items etc) to reveal areas of the map or invis characters. In OW its only Hanzo arrow and Widow ult, both of which are tied to characters that you'd generally not great counters to Sombra's playstyle. If there were more useful ways to reveal her it would be less of an issue.

[@CrazySuperJEBUS]

Honestly they just need to go the same route as The Finals. Invis is only partial. It looks like Predator where you can still see the outline of the player as a distortion in the air. There’s also a humming sound that gets louder the faster you move so you give yourself away even before canceling invisibility.

[@Octovol]

@@CrazySuperJEBUS I feel like if there were a resource timer for standing still while invis and when you moved you were partially visible but the timer stopped and resource only recovers once out of stealth. it'd still feel just as bad when she pops out of nowhere, disabled all your abilities and burns you into oblivion with super high dps :)

[@CrazySuperJEBUS]

@ get out of metal ranks and you’ll start to see things differently.

[@Xiatter]

It seems to be kind of a hot take that the game is fun, as a lot of people say it isn't, or that it's dying. But I still love it.

[@landenthe70s]

I agree life weaver is a team hero. No one uses pedal

[@KingdomofArabia]

team hero yet noboy wants to play with a lifeweaver. maybe try forcing petal down their throats more?

[@Octovol]

Petal is amazing defending first choke on Rialto to retake the high ground :)

[@CometdownCat]

5:04 ive got just the game for you, walt flanagan presents "pretty kitty"

[@burtonthegrape9217]

The overwatch community ask for things but will complain instantly because its not what they want, so many people think about what they want instead of whats best for the health of the game, Sombra had to be changed because as she was she was unhealthy for the game, Ranked players kept acting like she was fine and "Learn to play against her" or "You'll change her identity!" but those are excuses so they won't change characters that need it. People are so selfish and toxic they don't know what they want and there are so many opinions and ideas Blizzard can't do much without people whining.

[@kiri374]

3:20 overwatch WHAT?? 😭

[@iheartbladeecity4908]

hot take: one of the main reasons overwatch 1 is regarded as “better” is because the overall lower skill floor and ceiling when the game started this also goes for most other shooters(CoD, Fortnite, apex, etc.)

[@d4mephisto]

I agree with the lifeweaver hot take not gonna lie lol. he sucks to play, but is fun. it's a conundrum. I don't think it was an emotional vent. I think you were too dismissive, KarQueue.

[@AddiJadeZoe]

Supports are real people playing the game just as any other role. If they can't kill anyone and just die on cooldown any time they're attacked, the entire game fails. They need to have at least a 30-40 percent chance to 1v1 most dps for the game to work at all.

[@josephquinto5812]

Bap is 65-75% tbh

[@jsmooth8655]

@@josephquinto5812true, Moira is probably 40-45% and Mercy is like 5% it just depends on the situation and skill(Bap should heal less though like Zen to offset his offensive capabilities)

[@-.Outlaw.-]

That’s a dumb take. 1 v 1s usually happen on flanks or people holding angles. Supports are almost never in a 1 v 1 scenario unless by choice, bad positioning, or are getting staggered/spawn camped.

[@HReed-wk8dq]

Eh idk Moira is really strong if you play her right, Bap too, and LW thorn volley does great dmg with no drop off, if you hit your shots you can do a lot

[@dmc009]

Hot take: I agree with you. A hero's identity is more about, 'does this make sense for the persona we've created.' ... perfect example: cowboy flashbang, magnet grenade, or whatever it is now... .. the easiest layup ever would've been, make it a whip. Cowboys carry whips. Literally, they couldnt do their job without one. Maybe they carry super, magnet grenades, too, I dunno. But Im almost 💯 they carry whips. Now you can have either the exact same FX or something similar, but now it makes sense. It's true to his identity. ... I also think it's weird that reaper and Moira can't wraith out of junkrat traps. They can wraith out of gravitrons but not out of some nonsense mechanical... bullcrap? Do wraiths even have feet?

[@nef36]

Being a stealth support wouldn't incentivise sneaking around unless the support had good damage, a stealth support with weak dps and strong heals/util would be able to play in riskier positions while not risking their life and still helping their team; part of making them a healer is that they could heal (whether it's limited or not) or use more abilities in stealth than a dps stealth character could

[@engineergaming3830]

"how everything and the lore fits together" lemmie introduce you to kiriko and sojourns sister

[@adamkrasneski3679]

Ive had that sombra support idea before. The incentive to sneak is to apply a short range discord orb (hack). May have to reduce the range of hack so shes not just frontlining. Switch out virus with a team exclusive, deployable, hacked, mini health pack for the heals portion. Maybe it can be seen through walls by allies? Id say nerf her gun, but is her dps output any less than bap or lari at this point? Lol. Sure itll prob never happen but id be down to try out some kind of support rework for her. Id also be down for a torb support rework bringing bCk armor packs. Been loving that in classic. 😊

[@kingmoosh2004]

i think you’re misunderstanding the point about kiriko’s identity, if i remember correctly the recent changes to her dmg were just a straight buff. i think they are not talking about her dmg becoming weaker but how there has become less emphasis on headshots over time (going down from 3x to 2.5x to 2x)

[@kingmoosh2004]

not to say that actually means she lost her identity, but i have heard some people say those changes to the headshot multiplier made her lose part of her identity

[@user-rg9co7dk2r]

Also maybe the hero identity is just bad

[@blue_tetris]

I think that speaks to how nebulous the phrase "lost their identity" really is. In the era of ten Symm reworks, it never came up. It doesn't have a consistent thread.

[@pharaoh6801]

damn, karq knows about paragon, made me happy to hear the name again

[@Selflessthehelpless]

Hot take: Hanzo is over kitted 250 hp, wall climb/dash, recon, StORm aaRow, dragon and can 1 shot with dragon only being the meh part about his kit. Being able to 1 shot with the opinion of tank busting with 250 hp and having mobility/intel/zoning tools just because “projectile hero” or “hero data” is insane too me.

[@AddiJadeZoe]

Lifeweaver isn't meta, but he's fun to play. His healing feels good, and his damage feels good. It's so satifying to hear the rapid click as his pink diamond dagger thing hit an enemy like machine gun. A good pull feels great and people almost always say thanks in some way. The petal platform is somewhat niche, but it's few uses are super awesome when you actually get to do them, especially when it shuts down an ult

[@Chara4Lyfe79]

He is pretty fun when you have a duo in qp

[@-.Outlaw.-]

He’s only fun for people who lack mechanics or for people who want to turn their brain off

[@AddiJadeZoe]

Trying to win but also have fun, and trying to win at any cost, is the usual difference between QP and ranked and they're completely different things but still trying to win

[@DEML91]

Cold Take: it doesn't matter if Sombra has perma stealth or not, that was not the problem, if Blizz wants to make Sombra enjoyable to play against they need to rework hack, it was and still is the core problem of her designed, as an ability it has little to zero punishment for miss use, it is impossible to miss and its CD is way to small for what it does, this is what Blizz should focus on when reworking her. I know that her hero identity is of an "hacker" but that doesn't mean the ability needs to like this, they could still rework her and keep the "hacker" theme going.

[@headecas]

Hot take: best dps ult doesnt really mean much

[@AddiJadeZoe]

Invisibility as a purely defensive ability for a support is way less frustrating than invisibility on a damage that specializes in silencing CDs and assassination

[@ramoziurx]

3:00 I think he meant the amount of damage that gets dealt from all the roles not just dps role.

[@kylehouse1113]

Hot take: Sym rework: change her primary fire to be a fully auto firing wep that shoots proj small random geometric shapes (and balance). make her alt fire the beam and give it a small resource bar like illari. balance both and she would be alot more interesting despite not changing any abilities (tho i think her ult needs changing). this would make her poke more consistent with more consistent dps as well as providing more incentive for a solo tp play with alt fire laser (maybe 120dps straight up with an illari ult fire drain rate and maybe slighty slower recharge rate?)

[@matteoman39]

They meant to say "ipso facto" which basically should read as "due to these reasons". So lifeweaver, ipso facto (due to the reasons we just mentioned), is the worst support to play.

[@Jewelz4u_]

Hot take: After replaying classic 6v6, its made me realize that the insane mobility creep is one of the major contributing factors to how bad overwatch feels now

[@androyakorsik3292]

The point is that Lifeweaver is not just about life gripping people to safety, it’s bringing major disruption and denying ultimates with petal platform and tree. Lifeweaver potential is the most hidden between supports, after one year after his release some people understood how to apply this potential, and slowly it will become much much better. Of course, a good Ana/baptist will be always better due to how they gain value with much less effort. This is Lifeweaver problem, the balance between effort/value is effort being too high for a value that could be gotten with much less effort.

[@pkrames]

Paladins has a stealth support character that helps keep her alive when dove. I think that's a good idea.

[@SamuraiPipotchi]

"Ipso facto" (Not ipto) apparently means "by the fact itself"; although people use it to mean "as suggested/proven by the given facts"

[@NotRealyInterested]

"Skins doesnt affect balance" lets pretend they didnt killed Widow's only counter to sell her mythic

[@AddiJadeZoe]

When playing Lifeweaver, use his abilities as if you're playing with bots. Use pull if they'd die otherwise, knowing they'll go back in right after. Use petal to escape or shut down an ult. Not every ability can be fully used for all it's intended purposes without proper communication and you just adapt to what you can and can't do with the level of teamwork your team provides. Outside of playing with people you know, assume everyone is playing for themself and adapt your playstyle as a support to help them do whatever it is they're doing as best as you can without feeding

[@landenthe70s]

They should have a comp practice playlist.

[@ForbidenXShadow]

I feel like the dps can be a big reason why playing tank in 5v5 isn’t fun. Let me explain. Like support I think all roles clearly fundamentally shifted on how u play them from ow1 to ow2. ( context I’m a dia/master player across the rolls) Supports can’t just follow the tanks now and need to be better positioned. Tanks need to do as much as possible without taking resources from the team. And I feel like in ow2 the dps change is sometimes the maps are so defensively sided that u need to take a high risk high reward angle to ease some of the pressure off of ur tank trying to take space. To many times my team sits at a choke and says go make us space… like a tank can go 1v5 … it’s really only a problem on certain parts of maps. But sometimes dps needs to feed to try and win. Sitting at choke poking the enemy tank giving the other supports ult is going to lead the tanks players to hate their life.

[@kylehouse1113]

hot take: team mates should be able to see moira (in some aspect) during her fade

[@nikkle1337]

Hot take: low-to-mid level Lucio players are conditioned to spend time sprinkling heals on the team all match because they’re so used to being shouted at for more heals. Obviously you can’t play Reddit Lucio all the time but I think players should really be more aware of his utility and high* kill potential at the cost of low burst healing - it could seriously boost winrate!

[@-.Outlaw.-]

Reddit lucio isn’t even the most effective way to play Lucio… Lucio gets the most value from coordinated rush comps, Reddit Lucio is probably the dumbest way to play the hero

[@nikkle1337]

@ I know, I never said that. I’m just saying it’s important for Lucio to focus a little more on offence since he has the tools for it.

[@daviddiett2168]

The problem with 5v5 is now every hero has to contribute more in dire situations. DPS need to apply focus and their passive to the right targets, Supports have to be able to keep up the healing while being able to evade or defend themselves and Tanks have to create and control space whilst being on hand to peel, cover flanks alone while trying not to be pressured down by 5 sources of damage against them. The abundance of new passives, new heroes and reworks in the 5v5 format have also muddled what many of us were familiar with in team fights and simply changing to 5v5 affected the variability of different heroes without another Tank to work off of.

[@BlazeD_7]

Which is a good thing when looking at a competitive live service game. Teamwork has only really succeeded in pro play, where you have a coordinated team with a coordinated strategy. In ranked you get people that otp their hero, don't coordinate, comps are optimized. I'd much rather play the game knowing that I can win my own games, rather than 'Oh I lost because my tank didn't clear x angle.'

[@daviddiett2168]

​@@BlazeD_7It's funny, in the games I played earlier I felt a lot better after losing, I knew what the problem was and was my other Tank not coordinating and dying first as you exampled. But I knew the fault wasn't mine and at least there was an effort made my having two Tanks hold space when they could. Some heroes work too well at but if that was adjusted I think I'd be more encouraged to play Tank if I can think strategically around my other Tank and how they're playing. Though I could just be nostalgic getting to have another Tank after the years of 5v5 😅

[@BlazeD_7]

@@daviddiett2168 I mean it's still using the 5v5 format. What sort of comp were you running? Genuinely curious. It's funny cause I am having so much more fun having two tanks, and playing as a tank. You are a lot more vulnerable which feels actually pretty good. I am honestly very surprised at that. I also enjoy playing solo support. Can't wait for kingmaker to come out

[@SILK97]

5v5 and 6v6 is a distraction. Pls tune down the easy value heroes, most notably the invulnerabilities in an AOE

[@pinkloverprey]

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[@jacobrose4972]

Nah, they’re on long cooldowns. If you’re using a high-value resource like an ultimate, then that’s on you to bait out those cooldowns. Skill issue

[@its_lucky2526]

won't fix 5v5 issues

[@Bananabread810]

Nah, you think youre cooking but youre just heating a hot pocket

[@JoshuaRAWRR]

Skill issue, literally.

[@FernusTalks]

Haven't seen the video yet but I'm sure it's great

[@ZeroKami86]

@5:40 Surely Blizzard will see this wisdom and remove their only source of income from the game to make this single person happy

[@notintelligent4340]

I think they should just remove ability lockouts from the game like hack and hinder. People play a hero shooter for the heroes and removing the hero part from it is why so many people get so frustrated. I don't care that Sombra has had a hack for the entire time she's been in ow, I just don't think it's fun to play against. Something that comes to mind like this is when they removed silence from revenant in apex and now the character, although might be a bit annoying because of the hyper mobility, isn't as annoying because you could pop an ability or ult to counter him now. (Also love what you do karq keep at it king)

[@youradviser1574]

Hot take: Sigma is (and has been for several seasons) a consistently underrated tank. This could be cope as a sigma main, but I feel like sigma is really good right now and has been for a while. People typically put him in mid tier, seeing him as never the best tank, but also never the worst. I think he's a consistently strong tank that has both strong survivability and burst damage.

[@SocialExperiment232]

That just shows how well balanced he is. He flies under the radar because people only worry about the most broken and the weakest characters. He’s so well balanced that people forget about him.

[@dylanmaguire3595]

​@@SocialExperiment232agreed

[@dylanmaguire3595]

​@SocialExperiment232 who do you think are other characters who have this type of great balance? In any role

[@AngrySecs]

How does that make him underrated. Hes never the best tank but hes always a safe, strong and reliable option for a tank player to pick. I feel like mid tier is perfectly rated for that

[@youradviser1574]

@@AngrySecs I'm saying I think he's stronger than people give him credit for, I feel like he's always cast aside as a mid tank when he really can completely control the game in some cases

[@neonkatt8868]

he missed the point. the comment wasnt refering to “dps role” , but “dps overall”. things do too much damage too fast which lead to tanks dying too quick when low power or not at all when high power

[@danielgertler5976]

As someone who plays lots of Kiriko, and stopped for a short while after they changed her head shot multiplier... I agree and disagree. Technically she had the same amount of headshot damage, and bodyshots did *more* damage, but it still felt bad because suddenly my successful headshots *feel* like they're doing less even when I logically know they're not

[@strawberrydialectics]

im really tiring of the comments about qp & ranked essentially being the same thing, especially when its more on the side of complaining that people try "too hard" in qp. this person actually elaborates on what they mean but its such a weird thing to say regardless. like, one mode has no stakes, the other mode you play to rank. the objective is still to win games. how do people want the modes to differentiate? i actually prefer that the mode styles are essentially the same because for example in splatoon, i may want to play more ranked, but im not used to the unique modes that are completely non-existant in casual mode, so i have no way of practicing except to go in blind into ranked and it feels bad imo.

[@meowkat4043]

Hot take: Mercy is underrated, she may not be able to the MOST healing in a game, but her strengths are consistent and reliable healing. Edit: I should have worded as “consistent and reliable healing and dmg boost”. No other support, maybe apart from lucio, can provide such consistency.

[@michaelpurdon7032]

No that's not her strength lol. I'm not happy if that's what my Mercy is even trying to provide

[@Ahmoxdar]

Mercy was not made to only heal, she has heal as an added utility, just so people wouldnt complain like they did with Sym 1.0, she is made to pocket and enable DPS'. If you want mainly heals, go ana or even juno

[@Diency.]

in lower ranks (gold and below), yeah I agree

[@Napp_]

The quick play takes 😂😂😂

[@zaco5206]

The kiriko identity was high value for headshots from the multiplier. Then they changed it then buffed the damage so people with worse aim are rewarded

[@TheShawnMower]

A high skill Kiriko was a force to ve reckoned with and I could tell a good one from a healbot more easily before

[@solidforge2016]

I think the change to the headshot was good. It balanced her across the ranks. Now her identity is simply her ultimate and ability to take low-risk duels.

[@ESOLeroyJenkins]

Like most other games…fashion is the real end game.

[@azseal2669]

This isn't a hot take so pls don't take it as one. But Lifeweaver rewards micromanagement - he always has. Even before the gigabuffs. This is gonna sound awful but most of his playerbase (especially at the lower end) cannot utilise him efficiently because of that. He's easy to play but has a somewhat high skill ceiling and he's rather frustrating to play against; when played well. But most low ranks don't see that and just see "high healing numbers" and say he's a healbot. I would go so far as to say LW is the Sigma of Support. Not in that he's insanely good or a wall but that the best Weavers need to be doing like 4-5 actions at once and it reflects in their gameplay and impact, as well as having optimal maps and team compositions. He cannot be played in every team comp and often is not the best Support for a situation. People just knee-jerk think he's bad because they're not approaching the hero with the right mental or because they're parroting their favourite content creator. He gets picked as a "my x is feeding" hero or "we need more healing." They use his abilities wrong, don't micromanage and make a misplay but flame their team instead. I've made the argument consistently: he's good in dive, he's bad at poke and he's average in brawl. He's good at anti-dive. It's just the majority of people who play him don't have the mental for the playstyle that he offers so he's relegated to 'healbot' or 'clutch'.

[@frozenphoenix7419]

Make ram do 1.5x damage to shields and 0,5x damage enemies if the pummel hit a shield first

[@allanlugo7842]

Hot take: dps shouldn't flame you when you as support take the dps route because they can't do their job despite having heals for days

[@Gxuice]

Supports are broken in 5v5 it really is that simple. It's very hard for the game to be interactive when there are too many characters on the field that shut the roster down and not enough to stop them from doing that.

[@rx_n]

Hot take: Season 9 was the best season of OW2. It was also the season where the game lost so many players because metal ranks cannot face tank anymore so now we are reverting back slowly to how it was before.

[@SocialExperiment232]

The first 5 seasons were the best. People just can’t admit it because they were too mad about skins at the time.

[@eleonarcrimson858]

didnt top tank players also hate that season?

[@SocialExperiment232]

@@eleonarcrimson858 tank players will cry no matter what.

[@eleonarcrimson858]

@@SocialExperiment232 then what's your point? The game was fun for me and not for other people so I get to say it was the best objectively. Huh?

[@Garry-y7b]

⁠@@eleonarcrimson858that’s overwatch players. You go into a fighting game and they seem like chads in comparison, “this game isn’t for everyone, tell me why you don’t like it.” vs. “No my thing good your thing bad.”

[@matthewbrears2129]

DPS control the outcome of the game (assuming the tank isn’t hard throwing). How many clips do you see on noobhubter of a tank or support destroying a team without even using an ability or having good position? DPS can get solo kills the easiest. Kills win matches

[@jonic7253]

Small Lw buff make the petal surface area a little bigger so people realize they’re on it before they run off

[@SocialExperiment232]

12:35 this man knows the truth. I’m so sick of the narrative that this is a dying game and no one should play it anymore because the skins are expensive and there’s cheaters and balancing nuances. That’s every single game in the world. Valorant sells gun skins for 40 dollars and people crying about a battle pass that’s 10 dollars and comes with like 10 skins. And I don’t understand how anybody can think that a game that averages 20/30 million players a month is somehow dying but then defend games like Apex who have not averaged even 300k players in years and are riddled with cheaters. Or glorify games like marvel rivals who literally copied overwatch to a t just cause it’s new. The game is extremely fun and challenging and I’m done taking sht from people just because I love it. Narratives and hive minds are stronger than the truth half the time.

[@ערןעצמון]

You shouldn't number your videos, I think it scares new viewers and overwhelms them. "Oh this video looks cool but I haven't watched all the other 50 videos maybe I'll lose context"

[@lulzywizard7576]

I somewhat agree to take that you should actually try to win quickplay. Sooooo many people play like actual dogwater in there lol

[@defysjandl7201]

I give exactly 2 fluffs about quick play and competitive really, It's not a tournament.

[@somaraparicio3537]

Suggestion: Hog hook should be reworked into a momentum based pull (movement works closer to ball grapple) and becomes a channel ability that allows you to “fling” enemies into your team when doing the turn techs. Also increase his hook cooldown.

[@loogiemusmaximusoftides8540]

Hot take: Builder/turret heroes have the most interesting playstyles in the game, learning where to place things in the heat of battle and provide value is way cooler than simply clicking on hitboxes, especially Symmetra. I pray for a builder tank so we have one for every role

[@chaoshelm]

forgot illari was a builder for a hot second and was trying to figure out who the bulder support was X_X we just need another bulder support and a builder tank and we can run the bob the builder comp lol

[@Mirage0153]

Letting autonomous turrets do what you should be doing is interesting?

[@loogiemusmaximusoftides8540]

@@Mirage0153 yes, Symmetra is the best example of a builder hero cause her teleporter has insane play potential, Torb and Illari are one note but if you find an area where they CAN get value you can sometimes win a teamfight. Builder’s can be so much more than turrets

[@chaoshelm]

@@Mirage0153 you get to do it to tho

[@BryantWoo]

when I was Gold I hated Baptiste's Immortality Field but could still deal with it. As Platinum I'm still occasionally annoyed by Kiriko's Suzuki-Honda-Toyota save... but more than anything else is the people who use Lifeweaver's pull willy-nilly. I still love Overwatch and always have. The characters, the world, the artwork. Wish the Battle Pass and season was 12 weeks instead of eight. 'Nuff said.

[@karl_margs]

We have a stealth support: Zenyatta 😉

[@elixir478]

10:25 as an ashe main this is just wrong. One good dive character and even with mercy pocket amd your life becomes way harder.

[@tylerbacoka4248]

Nah he's right they are making everyone stupid like a cod hero. Since season 2 of ow2 anything interesting basically got taken out or nerfed to hell.

[@e3vL1]

Hot take: make Sombra support and let her hack allies

[@okokokok1457]

+1

[@christhiantrevisan8084]

About the first one, when we say it changes the identity we are talking about the characters kit and how its "designed to be played" and not exactly about the character design Edit: The QP gotta be one of the worst takes I've seen

[@e3vL1]

Identity should be the move set not the stats

[@trogdor420]

Hot take: "CC" stands for crowd control; which means to affect many opponents at once. It has nothing to do with abilities that stun or disable

[@briannunnenkamp2254]

Hot Take: As someone who hates Sombra, I'll admit that her current rework went too far. If it were up to me, we'd do the following: 1)Keep invisibility activation on translocator only, but make the duration infinite again. 2)Reduce her base health from 225 to 175, but give her 75-100 sheild health. The sheilds would drain durring stealth and could only regenerate when decloaked. This would allow her old "submarine" play style at a higher risk, but give her the option to get her bigger health bar and be harder to pressure out.

[@Spenjira]

Is it KunOYchi? or Kuno-ichi?

[@Sheila_Chu]

I heard both but i think the second is more accurate

[@Anonymous-mx8sh]

Hot take: so tired of people whining about solo ult. Some maybbbbee make sense but I had someone complain about a junk solo ult today. Quit whining and play the game lol

[@iiAnrkey]

Calling the Ram changes a "small alter" and saying he didn't lose his hero identity when the whole selling point behind ram in his trailer was his barrier piercing is bull.

[@a.t.fa.t.f7031]

I think you are entitled to your opinion, but Rams whole selling point was not that he could pierce barriers in my opinion at least. His Omnic/Nemesis form transformation and the ultimate seemed so much more like the centerpiece of the trailer.

[@TheBoodercg]

Idk much abt Overwatch so come for me when I say Ashe is the strongest dps imo.

[@br3d9]

12:49 , this is an example of a hot take that you seem to agree with. certainly contreversial.

[@kennethbontempo1031]

Hot take more support abilities (baptiste specifically) need both offensive and defensive capabilities like ana's cooldowns. If there's no way to add an offensive component to say regenerative bust or lamp then add another ability that's an AoE damage burst and have the two abilities share one cool down ala Moira's orb.

[@jinxx8456]

Baptiste has some of the MOST offensive capabilities out of Supp. Have you ever shot his primary before?

[@iheartbladeecity4908]

using lamp on window or a particular angle is the offensive value of it or pushing in with a regen burst bap already has some of the best utility in the game?

[@jacob3761]

This basically only applies to mercy, considering she’s the support that’s easiest to bully since she has almost no way to fight back and survive

[@jinxx8456]

@jacob3761 Unless its a crack smoking Valk Battle Mercy.

[@tuckmasterg]

Bap has 2 very defensive cooldowns, which is why his damage is good Lamp can be used offensively with window or any choke Brig's whole thing is the best defense is the best offensive, which is her Rally and same for Moira with her healing and damage So this whole "they need to be defensive and offensive" is somewhat dumb That's more of a playstyle adjustment than character tweaks

[@justdavelewis]

I’d love to know what they meant by the DPS comment, i feel like that requires more context… Also re: lifeweaver, I fall off that petal because I sometimes don’t expect to be boosted up while I’m walking backwards- I think maybe it should be curved so you have to jump to get out of it perhaps?? Edit: autocorrected Lifeweaver to Lifesaver lol

[@TheShawnMower]

A stealth healer would be nice if it was an escape tool or some kind of targeted stealth where you make an Ally stealthed

[@bigfudge2031]

oh god no.

[@merkwadvasilios9354]

HOT TAKE: Tank should have never been a class in a PVP game. The premise of a tank in this way was used for PVE raid bosses, where the tank would aggro the boss in order to give allies the ability to damage them without getting hurt themselves too much. In a PVP setting though, this doesn't translate that well, since you cant always taunt and aggro another player on an enemy team like you would a bot, especially if that enemy player is experienced enough to know not to focus the tank. So in order to compensate, tanks get super buffed to the point they're at now, while no one wants to play tank cause its not fun in this format. There's a reason why damage is the most popular role in the game. What the devs should have done, instead of combining offense and defence roles to make the damage role, was disband the tank role and split the tanks between offense and defense roles, and then balance onwards.

[@dropshot3313]

Scorching Hot Take: Mercy in a 5v5 format is super UNHEALTHY for the game whenever she is pocketing someone on any team she is on. I get the idea of you cant win every game or team fight. But however, damage boosting one target for the entire duration of the game is quite the most frustrating things because you basically are a 4v5 roughly and are highly dependent on the person thats getting pocketed to do the most and if they dont, that makes it even more difficult to try and win because you as a team arent really a team, its just a solo support trying to pump out as much healing to one tank and one dps which is difficult in itself if they arent performing well with the pocket.

[@Tonypollyoly]

Hot take: support and dps design philosophy should almost mimic eachother. Supports main healing with dps abilities and dps main damage with support abilities. Give dynamite to bap and suzu to sojourn. Let kiri get Cassidy’s concussion and pharah Juno’s torpedos