Why don't people use Juno's Orbital Ray? | OW2 Reddit Questions #56

[@LizardWizard1999]

When it comes to juno's orbit, lifeweaver's tree, kiri's rush and other ults like that, I try my best to place it when and where my team actually needs it in the moment. If they ignore it, then that's my fault as a support. I have to look out and be aware of what everyone is doing. To me it's kind of like giving a present, I have to be thoughtful and figure out what they need and hand it to them personally. Not just give them what I personally want and throw it across the road into a ditch, and say "hey your gift is over there, go get it". Supports are givers, its important to give properly

[@LizardWizard1999]

I also really like moira because she allows me to give and take at the same time. I mainly like to use her ult to peel for a teammate who's 1v1ing or to help push forward and create space, or just use it's long range to my advantage and help clean up things. I love her high damage and healing

[@jinxx8456]

@@LizardWizard1999 This second comment is a dead give away you really dont know what you're talking about.

[@LizardWizard1999]

@jinxx8456 I don't mind at all! I'm not here to teach people or prove anyone right or wrong. I am just sharing my perspective and how i like to play. Im always learning new things every day, and im always finding ways to change up my gameplan. My mindset on dps, support, and tank has helped me quite a lot in my progress over the years. I dont pay attention to tier lists. I like to delve into the game myself and play in a way that makes sense to me. I know my ways are different than most, and I dont care if I'm considered wrong. I always try to be an asset to my team, on whatever role I play. Thank you for pointing out the possibility of me being incorrect. Although i will stick to what i have been doing, as there haven't been any problems thus far.

[@YinsKingdom]

@@LizardWizard1999literally that’s all it’s about at the end of the day enjoy the game you know?

[@torbjornkallstrom2316]

That's how I try to think about it. That said... People really do seem to not get that they should stand in the Juno ult.

[@ElliottDent]

Tbf I have the same issue with Kitsune Rush. Some people just don't like playing on the road...

[@Bad3abdul]

lol

[@riptaiyo]

if you’re soloq use like juno speed. force them to use it

[@Wickedincarnate]

Same in QP i just assume kitsune is gonna go to waste 9/10 even if i use it as everyone is starting to engage or in a favorable team fight noones gonna use it.

[@milamber319]

It's to do with your position a lot. I often find I have a choice between being on the road and out of position/unable to push advantage. Or pushing my advantage and leaving the road. Or vice versa dying on road or using cover. It's very hard to get the max out of road but you have to place it a little ahead of where people are to they fight into it as they push forward rather than where they are.

[@kecksbelit3300]

I always hate it my whole team is with me i use rush and suddenly our fully ho rein backs up when i start going in trying to avoid my ult why.

[@tailgrowth]

I think people really don't take into account how many people play Overwatch who are A) REALLY young, like even younger than they're allowed to be to play online, like under 10 years old, B) just don't have a lot of experience playing a lot of games, maybe they are still really new to how games work and/or only started getting into games like shooters and online games a few years ago, or are C) Drunk/High and they only play Overwatch to unwind and have fun and kill time after work and stuff. I think Bronze and the similar lower Ranks are filled with a lot of players like that, and honestly that's okay. If they're having fun then that's the entire point of playing the game. But you have to realize that's likely the type of person you have on your team and getting mad at them for not using a character right or being in bad positions or wasting their Ultimate is completely pointless. Strategies and stuff like that is not even on their radar. If you're the type of person who watches KarQ videos then you need to recognize that you're already an incredibly different type of Overwatch player than like 90% of the base who play the game a lot more casually, and you're like lightyears away from the experiences of the EXTREMELY casual Bronze Rank playerbase.

[@ccricers]

Yeah there are people who say they don't follow character guides, they play with vibes only even after 1000 hours in the game

[@TroyButtsoupBarnes42]

First suggestion was awesome. I’m only in gold but it’s a habit I’ve learned especially with how many sombras are in metal ranks.

[@Elitetvgamer]

7:44 I agree with Reddit OP. Soldier is the safest blind pick imo. Forget about DVA jumping in on him, everyone has a counter that is tough to deal with, but Soldier can deal with enemies close and far, ground or air, has mobility, has pinch healing, and can deal with most flankers like a tracer thanks to rockets.

[@austinsanchez4694]

Mei got the most defensive kit that can output lots of value while playing safe n no real counter to her

[@95yazid]

Yeah forget about what the guy who's been high ranked throughout all OW1 and 2 tells you, he doesn't understand the game...

[@95yazid]

@@austinsanchez4694 Mei literally gets countered by anything that has a bit of range and/or mobility... so most of the cast

[@seldommn]

@@95yazid relax bro, he said it was his opinion. nowhere did he say karq doesn't understand the game. if anything, they mostly agree, saying that dva is still a problem but soldier is still pretty sturdy.

[@95yazid]

@@seldommn the way I read it "Forget about DVA jumping on him" kinda sounded like "I know better" which might be me misunderstanding. Still I feel like we're kinda playing stupid if someone's points to you an obvious glaring weakness and we chose to just not look at it and push through. Also an opinion is not a fact so we can criticize and argue it, it shouldn't be a problem...

[@puppyvix]

@ the last question, i also want to mention that some people are *genuinely* being held back, im not bronze anymore thank god but im still silver and the lack of game knowledge, communication, ignoring pings, feeding, etc. by your team is completely out of your control. i scrim up to plat-diamond on dps but im teetering on the edge of bronze (silver 5 rn) because i cannot make up for my team's mistakes. this is not to say i play perfectly because i have a LOT to improve on, but a lot of games it doesnt matter how good my positioning or movement is (i also do the "head duck" that was used as an example) i cannot control what my team does, and that leads me to kind of be stagnant in my rank. some games im not gonna lie i *am* the problem because my mechanics are kind of off and on sometimes but even the games where im doing the literal most i can possibly do and playing to the best of my ability i can still lose because i am not good enough to have that huge carry potential that like diamond-masters+ smurfs would and i cant fix my team's mistakes

[@KSAwakened]

Only problem with that is like you said, you lack the carry potential, that's why you're at the rank, I've been through bronze and it is tough but you can't blame your team you just have to carry

[@KSAwakened]

Also in the lower ranks your not forced to play traditional overwatch because everyone else doesn't really know how you play, you can take advantage of that

[@codyyh9421]

im sorry but you cant be held back at low ranks. for some reason my tank gave me gold placements and to me everyone there played with no headphones. it was harder to die there than to kill people. support do not peel eachother at all. if you cannot carry out of that rank you are that rank or atleast close to it.

[@consortgaming1121]

Following up on the other comments: There's a difference between being able to do a thing when you have teammates very clearly outlining what you should be doing, vs being able to understand what's happening and making a plan or play on your own merit. The clicking people and pressing buttons part of the game is the easy part. Knowing where to be when, why, and what to do when you get there is the hard part.

[@95yazid]

"I am not good enough to have that huge carry potential that like diamond-masters+ smurfs would" I'm glad at least a part of you knows that the rest is total cope

[@Ron742_]

I'd rather Junos ult instead kind of mirror her movements so that you can stay with your team and kind of force them to be in the beam.

[@0li-0li28]

I’d hate that I like popping ult so I can go offensive while team is okay

[@upsetti6404]

To be honest I am always very aware of whats going on around me and especially behind me but my brain runs on audio queues and reacts faster to those than visuals so 9/10 I hear them scuttling about behind me before I ever see them.

[@joshcarlson6575]

One thing to add for the question at 19:33 is that higher ranked players are more adaptable in a sense of playstyle rather than counter swapping, also the thing about movement other than having insane movement higher ranked players do stand still, they just know when they can.

[@patrickolah]

0:52 I see this habit a lot with me and my friends in diamond where when we’re locked in in a do or die situation, we’ll kill the last guy and almost always just do a 180 to look around for more targets when nothings on our screen out of pure reflex. literally hit that last shot and IMMEDIATLY 180 and we all do it a lot

[@youdontknowmegigna]

Even if there aren't flankers. . . you need to be looking behind you. Like, every 5 seconds. Especially if you play on mouse, that shit takes less than a second + whatever your reaction time is once you're looking behind you. If you're playing overwatch. . look behind you, always. And press tab.

[@ryry..]

Hi Why do you type like thT

[@TheMCmace]

there is literally no reason to look behind you at least if you have ears and a headset

[@youdontknowmegigna]

@@TheMCmace I wish I was as comfortable at being wrong as you.

[@Jaeden_Phoenix]

5:33 Regarding Ball (from a Support Main) he's actually my favourite tank to play with (on the assumption he knows how to play the character). I'm a Lifeweaver OTP (I do swap I just always try to lock in the twink) and my favourite team comp to run is Wrecking Ball, [DPS (Typically Dive/Rush)], *Lifeweaver* [Me], and Ana. You'd be surprised how well I've found this works if Lifeweaver just carried the healing (not 100% of it) and you instead play with a super hard hitting comp.

[@BlueDragon1504]

It's funny because it's so hit or miss playing with LW on Ball. I always sigh when I see one originally, as it usually means getting pulled right before popping shields five times. Especially annoying if I was about to kill someone.

[@Femboy_Grey]

As a ball player I really like having a LW I don’t often get a bad pull, the petal is always nice for an extra slam, the healing is helpful when they see I’m going on a squishy, I get saved from getting perma CC’d to death. Always helpful

[@soraniostaur3839]

1:35 I stfg, this video and these remarks and questions and shit are the main reason I still have hope enough to play this goddamn game! I'm so sick of seeing fucking "Healer diff" in gold from a tank who keeps solo-feeding in a 1v5 and leaving healer LOS or running off without their fucking team. Thank you KarQ, Thank you "GrowBeyond", genuinely bless both of you, cause sadly a healer can't carry a bad tank or a team who doesn't know what tf peeling or tempo or even reload mechanics are.

[@edoge14352]

Sometimes that's where the carry potential lies in taking risks as someone like Moira and going for their backline to win that crucial teamfight. Sometimes you can't outheal the amount of damage they're taking so your best bet is to try to pick their supports as they won't be healing and you won't either. E.g. you start damaging one support the other turns their attention to try to keep them up and therefore you cutoff all heals for that period of time while you have your team taking an advantaged fight 4v3. Easier said than done of course but Moira is one of the best duelists and can keep herself up with her lifesteal and kill squishies alone. High risk high reward play that can be the difference maker in a team fight.

[@soraniostaur3839]

@@edoge14352 Real shit, sadly though all the supports I play (in order) are Juno, Lifeweaver, Illari, Kiriko. I've never had an interest with Moira and upon trying her a few times her playstyle really doesn't fit me

[@MoonLiteNite]

My team seems to use juno and kiri ult. What they don't use is mor ult, they dodge it, hide behind corner, die, then blame me for using it for DPS

[@VoidHxnter]

Fr, I'm a support main, so when I see our DPS not utilizing it I tell them that they can play a lot more aggressively, because the enemies are falling back and you are incentivized to push with the massive healing surge. They always forget the second part, *moiras ult only heals you if you walk into it.*

[@FishPi]

0:32 Are we just going to not talk about that intro??? 6:53 ??????

[@CactusPuppy]

Boom

[@MixedFreight]

Boom

[@slippery_air]

@@MixedFreightcameo

[@morevrai]

4:12 I think a lot of juno players can use her ult too early/late. Mercy players know all too well of a useless valk😭

[@courtney4173]

As someone who's played both, Valks issue is that it has no burst potential and the healing is consistent but it's not going to save someone being focused down, now when you are 4v5 is easy to keep up that pace and you use that last 5 seconds just flying back to spawn lol

[@TheBoodercg]

Omg that first tidbit. I can tell someones skill with how tunnel vision they get. As a support main, I can’t help but tunnel vision heals on someone I KNOW is tunnel visioning. And telling myself to throw a look to my tank or support is a lifesaver.

[@CyberBunny-xb8nn]

As someone who crawled out of the depths of bronze a few seasons ago, bronze isnt (always) the 20:22 messed up nothings happening game. A lot of people suprisingly know what they are doing and can execute combos, know when to peel, etc. Sometimes it is just randomness tho

[@gentlemankaiju1997]

I would prefer a static orbital ray with a wider radius but usually the most optimal way to use it currently is out of site lines, behind barriers &/or teammates. Don't make your team have to chase it.

[@defaultdan7923]

5:30 my group strugges heavily with this and it's something i try to convince them they should get better at. whenever we have a tank that likes diving, they keep complaining that there is no frontline, and i try to remind them that you don't need a frontline to play the game

[@mariacruza756]

16:35 1000% for me. I owe my rank to Torb's "HEHE, YOU SHOULD TRY MY MEATBALLS" voice line. It still makes me giggle every time like a dang 7 year old kid. Spamming it after winning a team fight or popping off literally shot my rank through the roof bc I had SO MUCH fun with it XD

[@Yuusfw]

I think a way to prevent this with Juno ult (which is very dependant of the player skill) is to make it work like lucio ult. Juno activates the ult, and the people around her get the buff without having to follow her or the beam

[@Wickedincarnate]

OR now hear me out: just play in the giant beam of light when its not suicidal to do so

[@neilmallick20]

"hey guys let's have an ult that buffs everyone on your team to an insane degree with no counterplay or skill curve" damn you should be a game designer ^^

[@JC-dc7eb]

Juno does not need buffs

[@Yuusfw]

@@neilmallick20 insane degree? her ult dmg boost is actually less than mercy blue beam.

[@janbazuine6636]

​@@Yuusfwignore the 100 heals per second I guess

[@stormRed]

I don't think it's literally possible to do something for hundreds of hours and not improve at it, I do however think it's possible to improve very little, and it's for sure possible to never rank up.

[@kentlock346]

Yes you can

[@kentlock346]

You can play this game for years make the same mistakes and don't even notice it because it's normal to you

[@Kalani86]

I just started playing OW2 this year and I have about 250 hours on the game. I am gold for support and gold for open competitive games (my game is in Portuguese so I'm not sure what you call it where you don't have the standard 1 tank, 2 DPS, and 2 support). I play tank in silver sometimes, and in some of those games I really see the skill difference. I know what you mean when you say "punish the mistakes"! Its fun!

[@SamuraiPipotchi]

Open Competitive is close enough for people to know what you mean. We call it "Open Queue". The main mode is "Role Queue".

[@solsoman102]

1:28 i actually think is probably one of the most important things to learn at all ranks so many people will be spamming i need healing while running around four different corners as chasing them and then they’ll blame me for dying when if they’d had any game sense at all they would have given me los and lived

[@courtney4173]

True. My husband had this issue, he'd be off hiding behind a wall and he'd die then be like I needed healing so I showed him my pov on the replay and he now knows to head back to team if a health pack is unobtainable lol

[@riptaiyo]

1:14 that’s why i say we need a mini map cuz mfs have no special awareness. it helps

[@TroyButtsoupBarnes42]

Naaaaah. Makes it to easy. That’s coming from a metal ranks support.

[@riptaiyo]

@@TroyButtsoupBarnes42 make the game smoother, comin from a diamond support. especially as a soloq having to look behind constantly is a pain then mfs moving to a different spot and not knowing is annoying. we also need health bars on the ui

[@ccricers]

Hot take (but not about Overwatch): This corner of KZbin is so open-minded to Redditors and their comments. Everywhere else I go on KZbin, when people talk about Reddit it's never nice lol

[@haysdixon6227]

I think you’re definitely right. For one thing, r/overwatchuniversity is a pretty “good” subreddit IMO, because it’s focused on a topic and people put a decent amount of effort into their posts. Reddit in general is often disliked because of other subreddits that focus more on “junk food” content or political stuff.

[@icekangaroo9392]

at 4:20 you said to initiate with torpedoes I'm thinking that it could also be useful waiting a second or two when they enemy team is low or even after some cooldowns are used could work too right?

[@Wickedincarnate]

No the world is black and white and you should only do exactly what youtubers say and never deviate under any circumstances. Obviously karq would have said to do this if it worked because he is perfect so the fact he didnt means never do this.

[@ccricers]

I'm in low elo, sloppy aim is normal here, so the torpedoes are a godsend on low enemies that can absolutely die and would feel bad letting one slip away otherwise

[@Josey_WaIes]

sometimes I have to juno ult backwards just to stop a push into our team, angles help a lot

[@penguinfps5068]

Hey kar I’m a diamond dps who gets masters when I really play, I think teaching people team comp math would be great, I find people really don’t understand how building a team comp works, and understanding that certain players will have higher stats because of it, idk maybe I’m coping but I think it would help lower rank players

[@FungalExtract]

I used to main ball a lot, a lot of ball mains are kinda solo minded, as ball your job is to annoy the shit out of the enemy team, roll in get that health, roll back into your team heal them, apply pressure at an angle, then when cooldowns are back, rinse wash and repeat. But above all else DO NOT LEAVE YOUR TEAM.

[@Terrence551]

I also have a question,how am i supposed to use illari ultimate,i have been playing illari and maining her for past 2/3 months,i mastered every part of her kit to her primary fire,healing beam,outburst,and pylon but every time i use illari ultimate opponents just use every single defensive cooldown, lets say rein use shield,reaper fade,mei her freeze,kiriko cleanse,bap lamp,genji deflect moira fade,zarya Bubble sig shield,orisa spin etc,or opponents just get out of the way and projectile misses Them,or just they have a lot of damage and they burst me while in the air or widow headshot or sombra Hack,surely i had a lot of pop offs when i kill 2/3 people with ultimate but sometimes its useless and you give away ur Position

[@Grifter]

We used to have a rank inflation problem but now it seems like we have a rank deflation problem... People in diamond shouldn't be top500..

[@fractalelf7760]

Juno’s ult along with a few other new ones are not intuitive for your teammates. I’m lucky if even one person beyond me uses it.

[@whateverlol93]

Didn’t this person answer their own question? “Why do people never use Juno’s Orbital Ray?” Then at the end they go on to say “… but my teammates aren’t smart enough to realize that and use it”. Um. Okay.

[@crabby6549]

15:18 yes it is impossible, its impossible if you dont know what you should be doing (so watch coaching videos/guides/proplay breakdowns) and something thant nobody talks about, you cant ever aim with a shitty mouse and super high sensitivity, you cant ever surprise an enemy if you cant ever rely on your shitty mono headphones, you cant react fast enough if you see stuff trough a shitty 5s latency old ass monitor. Tldr good pc and good peripherals can make all the difference.

[@tomgorey9294]

Orbital Ray in the middle of open space Is rlly bad, it gives tje enemies a free chokepoint to spam at, it needs to be adjacent to cover imo

[@CometdownCat]

My ears are on the fritz….

[@vanishhero964]

I wish I could choose were to place Juno ult. Kinda like lw tree

[@soccerburn552]

I treat Juno ult like Coal or Valk.

[@rfewer]

Ray is way better

[@possumwithacowboyhat5140]

Don’t. It’s more proactive.

[@courtney4173]

​@@possumwithacowboyhat5140it is but there are times where you try to use it proactively and people will back out of it instead of with it. I wonder if it goes back that people just need to learn what her ult actually does.

[@scarletphoenix2927]

No look, only tunnel

[@grahm5643]

FLASHBANG!

[@Gabytron]

I only use game chat to say "GG WP" or "TURN AROUND"

[@Mitchel6489]

but if l turn around as the tank i get shot in the back by the other team and just instantly die. lol Everyone should just be behind me already and if you're dying to to flankers its because you have bad positioning 😏

[@MyCommentsRMaturelol]

YESSS NOTICEME KARQ

[@austinsanchez4694]

I never use chat unless I win to say role diff

[@CyberBunny-xb8nn]

Seek help

[@Kororozinhouw]

15:15 No wonder why you're stuck without improvement when you're forcing yourself to play. This is one of the biggest problems with people nowadays. There are thousands of games for you to play, why the hell are you still playing the one game that gives you no joy? If you're not having fun, unless it's your job, stop playing ffs.

[@PandaDasKissen]

People are stuck playing the same game. This is due to being used to the game and “better” at it and have the game sense. If they find a new game they have to start from scratch and are behind from the beginning.

[@Thudd224]

I think that sombra should have 10 second stealth that is triggered by crouching for a second or two, just like baps boots.

[@braken67]

A bronze player is like a friend of mine: doesn't really care, is not thinking about anything other than just shooting stuff, poor reaction to damage to himself, no strategy. He is really only playing because I'm playing with him on my other account and we talk while we quick play. Other than that he doesn't touch the game. This is bottom of the barrel type behavior btw.

[@F1NAL_G1RL]

first mwahahaha

[@psyeducks]

3 views in 54 seconds? bro fell off

[@VinnyFonseca]

Your light theme is killing me lol. Can't watch the video.