KarQ ranks Overwatch 2 Ultimates of Season 8 (Tier List)

All of the Overwatch 2 Ultimates, including Mauga's Cage Fight. Also includes D.Va's Re-mech (Call Mech).
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[@ham.strings]

This is probably difficult to account for but what about ease of use? I fully agree Primal Rage is better than Dva Bomb, but Primal Rage is the most skill-demanding ult (maybe ability) in the entire game, so while it can be pretty impactful it's worthless if you can't juggle or aim your jumps well.

[@khaledm.1476]

Higher skill ceiling with higher rewards makes it overall a better ult. Spamming Winston beach volleyball has made me alot better at jumps and juggling and you can always work on it. Also imo tracer pulse is harder than primal

[@natedavis2944]

@@khaledm.1476nah pulse bomb is so much easier. It’s just one moment of good placement primal you need consistent good placements with ur jumps. Take it with a grain of salt I only have 25 hours ish on tracer and I have 100 on winston

[@genesisosuna]

That's called skill issue / skill diff

[@revostepify]

idk I feel like calling primal the “most skill demanding ult” is kind of a stretch lol

[@natedavis2944]

@@revostepify which one is then?

[@praisedsquishy]

Rams ult is a tsunami, the only way to survive it is to be out of its range.

[@rookjennaria8420]

Yeah, I main Ramattra and my biggest tip for people playing against him is just break LOS on his ult. Not just movement abilities, but consider walls and barriers, too! Having no enemies in LOS for 1 second eats a THIRD of his total potential ult time, it's way more impactful than trying to fight through a 20sec Nemesis w/ AoE damage.

[@kasm7870]

Or be Roadhog/Mauga

[@switchblade6]

​@@kasm7870realistically you shouldn't be going for the tank in ram's ult so surviving it as one isn't incredibly relevant

[@kasm7870]

@@switchblade6 You go for the whole team as Ramattra during ult.

[@angelstouge2195]

​@@rookjennaria8420 i just pop storm arrow and either melt him or force him to Block which makes him slower

[@Mickeyshere]

Mauga ult has to be best tank ult, it’s a sym wall and grav that allows him to keep shooting without reloading.

[@knyt0]

it has way less health than sym wall and can't be used to push a long choke for free like sym wall

[@nurikkulanbaev3628]

​@@knyt0Shift+W+Q. Corner is pushed. Fight is won

[@mckookie2967]

Naw Ramatra is king

[@khele2k]

It's good for sure and a top tier Tank Ult. It's the shield that's so beneficial; no support goes in to save a teammate because they end up dying too. Rule number one as a support is don't die. That said all Tank Ults are either Top Tier or very good. A good D Va bomb can essentially end a fight, getting 3 or 4 kills instantly. Sigma I can get two kills at least very consistently. Rammattra you need an ability to avoid usually or you're stuck. After that even the other Tanks have good, it not Top Tier, Ultimates. Roadhog, Winston, Wrecking Ball and Zarya all have great crowd control Ultimates that still can get multiple kills (I love using Roadhogs Ultimate to knock a whole team off the map... they just fly). Most people know how to avoid Reinhardts Ultimate by now but it can still work very well if timed right. And you can argue Junker Queen's Ultimate is Top Tier in the right hands if you bait out a few enemy abilities first.

[@jame8618]

Still feel like rammatras ult is game winning

[@Nerdality_Florian]

I feel like instead of a Tier list, this should've been put on a graph; with a "Power" axis and a "Reliability" axis. This might have made it easier to rate and differentiate stuff like Widow (high reliability, low power) vs Cassady (high power, low reliability). And ultimates with high power AND reliability (Ana) would've still been clear winners

[@khele2k]

Ana's Ultimate is only valuable if you give it to someone who knows what they're doing. In a Gold lobby it's going to be pretty useless most of the time. These lists are always for top tier players even when they pretend not to be. My advice as an average players (aka I do other things with my time) is to just figure out who one your team is way up on damage and eliminations and use it when they go to engage. That'll get the most value, especially in lobbies with no communication.

[@Nerdality_Florian]

@@khele2k I appreciate your well reasoned opinion, but I am only here to talk about HOW to represent the power dynamics, not argue about WHERE to put what

[@superawesomeninja2]

@@khele2k I'm pretty sure you should use nano on the player who's currently doing a lot of damage/engaging in higher elos too.

[@khele2k]

@@superawesomeninja2 Higher elos are a lot more coordinated and work together far better as a team. There's a lot more to consider in my opinion. For instance, if you have a Genji and you've already planned for him to flank and attack the backline by communicating ahead of time, definitely use it when he blades. In low elo lobbies the odds of having any of that strategy planned ahead of time is slim to none and slim's out of town. On the off chance a strat like that is can be planned then great. Anyway, I just took the time to say this when you know this already, you were just being a smug keyboard jockey gamer that doesn't touch grass for weeks at a time.

[@edwardking9359]

​@@khele2kWhy are you insulting them, mate? they're just posting their own opinion calmly on a public forum!

[@khele2k]

For average and below tiers it's the Junkrat tire that is crushing. You'll be in a very close game most of the time, hard fought and very sweaty, when a tire comes in and takes out three or four people at once. That's the difference in close matches. The somewhat and potentially impactful tiers have some brutal ultimates in them like Soldier, Junkrat, Genji, sometimes Mei, sometimes Reaper and D Va where when done right the fight is just over.

[@abudgie6909]

As a tank main who used to play a lot in plat elo I can remember my whole team getting rolled by tyre or blossom every game. Those ults are the terror of low elos lol

[@CSGO-cz8kb]

even for higher ranks tire is always scary good junkrat knows how to get at least one kill,and in lower ranks people just dont shoot it and die anyway its impactful for sure if not game changing

[@khele2k]

@@CSGO-cz8kb It's usually close enough to kill me by the time I even find it to be honest and it'll kill three of us. It's a monster ultimate. The guys who play Junkrat all the time know how to use it efficiently and it's devastating. They should consider giving it a visible icon like the D Va Bomb, then maybe up the health to 150 or something so it's not super easy to destroy.

[@marcomarco8156]

yeah and even in like super high elo u can use it as a rly good zoning tool since it has a ten sec cooldown and even after they run away u can usually guarantee at least one kill

[@La0bouchere]

Yeah, Junk and Mei ults are straight up broken in gold or bellow, and nano and echo are completely useless

[@Brandon-tz6vf]

Echos ult is not nearly that good anymore. I’d say she’s only able to get the duplicates ultimate like 20% of the time, maybe less (unless she duplicates hog or someone that can get a ton of ult charge really fast). Also she gets focused so hard when she uses it because the other team knows she’s about to use an ultimate. Most of the time her ultimate is only used for the extra life / get out of jail free.

[@dylanholm9995]

Meh that’s a skill issue. Her ult is still super strong

[@momdad1818]

​@@dylanholm9995u don't play echo

[@Nyxtia]

True. And the get out of jail "free" is clunky af. It's straight up a bad ult.

[@sIimepoop]

Did they change it within the past couple of seasons? I used to play a lot of echo in seasons 1-3, and could pop a duplicate ult most of the time. Now I barely make it to 75% progression a lot of the time.

[@Nyxtia]

@@sIimepoop in May

[@kerbystar]

“But who’s playing Moria anyway”……ouch 🥺🥺🥺….excuse me for existing 😭😭😭!!!

[@pommes4947]

I will die on the hill of Photon Barrier being among the best ultimates in the game

[@JRhodesZA]

Agreed, probably one of the most impactful dps ults.

[@aSuperPi.]

I think captive sun is potentially impactful I never see more than one kill anymore

[@Jsolo13]

I barely even see Illari anymore. But agreed you dont see the triple kills anymore

[@jonableek9452]

@@Jsolo13I hardly see illari anymore LOL

[@TWlNKS]

@@Jsolo13 wouldnt be surprised if illari is redesigned as a DPS. they gutted her and shes pretty bad honestly.

[@dylanholm9995]

@@TWlNKSshe’s really not though. She still does a shit ton of damage. Illaris ult didn’t get changed right?

[@TheRealHypervizor]

@@Jsolo13 You don't see illari because ana and kiri are meta for mauga. She's still very good, especially in hyper-poke comps.

[@lostcauses5421]

Rip tire is the best most broken ult in the game in gold and below

[@matthewfaux8035]

Just shoot it😂

[@P.H691]

@@matthewfaux8035not everyone can see a tire the size of their body apparently.

[@CSGO-cz8kb]

even in higher ranks tire guarantee at least 1 kill cuz rats(good junk players) know how to get value.Its impactful in any rank for sure...

[@armando5994]

@@matthewfaux8035 fr like just shoot it or lamp or suzu or even just hide, easily counter-able ass ult, silver players be bots sometimes 💀

[@Shadowstar2001]

I'd argue sigma flux might be game changing. You can flux someone off point and on your own guarantee 1 or 2 squishy kills

[@myob94]

Mauga ult not being top is criminal af

[@hallowedchromee310]

Its probably because cage fight can actually get Mauga himself killed a lot of the time, can be bypassed or ignored, and is mainly used for killing just one target. Although it does get great value if you combo it with other teammate’s ults.

[@regen21x14]

Fr, doom ult also not being in weak is fucking stupid lmao

[@angel_aeon]

@@hallowedchromee310 It's usually because I don't play in that high of a rank but seeing Maugas struggle to kill a shield dancing Sigma/Ramattra (or Nemesis blocking) in his own ultimate is always so funny like someone help this man out.

[@armando5994]

mauga ult is basically just lifweaver tree but damage version, you can literally break the cage

[@edwardking9359]

Mauga's ult isn't necessarily strong, it's just that Mauga is strong.

[@kylepackard7499]

Pulse bomb is niche right now because of how many things deny it. As soon as you stick a pulse it gets suzued, immorted, gripped, bubbled etc. And sure you force impactful abilities, but in the case of suzu or bubbles they are just up again in a few seconds.

[@blastedtheking813]

Then force those abilities out

[@kylepackard7499]

@blastedtheking813 obviously, I do when possible, but that becomes challenging when there are multiple of those abilities present.

[@soggcest679]

@@blastedtheking813mfw i face against zarya mei reaper kiriko and baptist

[@blastedtheking813]

@@soggcest679 mei kiri bap is anti tracer just swap

[@soggcest679]

@@blastedtheking813 maybe just maybe its an issue with the heroes in general😭

[@cooliod00d]

Nano is honestly my favourite ult. Whenever the Ana puts it on me, the fight shifts every single time. It's op af.

[@jake120007]

Mauga turns Bob into a Caprisun and heals off of him. also i remember in season 1 where you could drop unlimited bastion ults in the time period and it STILL didnt feel OP

[@wever4873]

yep, but devs and kids was crying about him and they even nerf again baston. its cringe man

[@Killuavii]

I find OW 2 characters quite well balanced, but ult are unbalanced as fuck they need to work on it

[@technounionrepresentative4274]

Another thing about rally is that it fixes your shield as well so that is something useful

[@ayembic7933]

I'm surprised photon barrier isnt one or two divisions higher tbh. Sym ult is amazing if you have a sym player that actually knows what theyre doing

[@Wholenewcris]

The problem with not setting actual standards for each tier and just jumping in is that this essentially just becomes a fuckfest of alternating opinions

[@petermcconnell9925]

Valc hunting Widows is one of my favorite things to do as Mercy.

[@AlmaTheBoxG]

I hate how fast I recognized every single ultimate and who they belong to… not by their name, but by what the fk the characters say in their dominant language

[@Tintin92436]

I love how KarQ performs the enemy ult voice line to remember what it's like to face that ult.

[@CometdownCat]

15:34 what other ult can you use to clear a cap point/objective/cart clear across the map from your own spawn?

[@Trae4k]

Theoretically if you are using mines right you are dropping it on their head then pile driving so they cant get out. Easier said than done with all the mobility in the game

[@brycenamorozo8630]

Tree of life still seems like a fight winning ult in masters and below

[@Nandopr]

We should do a drinking game where Everytime karq says "niche" we drink

[@markust.6212]

I think bastion is with the other DPS ultis because it's a big radius, often you can't run out, babtist lamp doesn't help, often it kills one or two people in my games ( silver- gold)

[@bianglegaming1127]

My favorite thing about Beat is that it's a HUGE counter to Queen's ult. Like, without a Kiri you can't really counter it with Zen ult, for example. But the overhealth completely surpasses the anti

[@linussauramaa1543]

Mei ult is impactful

[@Caiofoca]

Depending on the enemy team composition, you can just use it to kill the enemy tank every time. I would say that in most ranks it's indeed very impactful.

[@armando5994]

i remember kragie saying the reason mei is good is because she counters tanks that don’t have mobility, which is like almost every tank in the game. mei will always be a solid pick at any rank

[@koishisen]

The thing i like about wrecking balls ult is that it can go from useless to game changing if used adequately, remember one comp game that whenever we were getting overtaken i just dropped minefields and all of them were impactful enough to win all those teamfights, i even got a 4k between those lol

[@demonwarrior6968]

Bro really said “who’s playing reaper and moira.”

[@Geese3]

Even as an ashe main, i perfectly agree with the B.O.B placement, but i will say, youll rarely put BOB out alone, you should put bob out in team fights to either waste cooldowns for the enemies, or if they ignore him, do a ton of dps, on top of viper and dynamite.

[@rifdimashq208]

These are very Top 500 brain rankings

[@mryellow6918]

The fact he's acting like blade ain't gonna be nano boosted every game.

[@artimist0315]

I honestly think the way the categories are called are messing up the overall ranking a lot. Like surely most ults are "potentially impactful", that's the point of an ult. I think I've never disagreed more with an overall ranking, these don't feel like they get seriously considered but are mostly ranked out of general memories of some random game from 6 years ago. Like how is Torb ult so high up, I think I've never seen it actually get a kill in my entire life outside of a combo, and it's much worse at crowded control than most sightline ults, and that include deadeye.

[@technounionrepresentative4274]

Moira ult is the worst support ult in the game imo, If you want to do damage and heal at the same time lifeweaver tree is better for that as the nettles have better damage than moira ult, And it can be cancelled by loads of abilities, Sleep dart, Doom charge punch, Brig ult, I think sombra does don't remember though, Reinhardt charge, Sigma boulder, And the utility is barely there, Kiri ult makes the entire team faster and pump out more damage, Mercy ult makes the entire team stronger and makes her harder to hit, Zen ult has the best healing rate in the game, Ana makes a teamate stronger, Brig ult cancells tons of abilities while providing overhealth (Reaper ult, queen axe, queen ult, cassidy ult, sombra ult, moira ult to name a few) Already mentioned weaver ult, Baltiste is good for buffing team damage or heals, Illari ult is almost as bad but not as bad as moira as it's not cancelled as easily, Moira's ult damage is barely a concern to me if I'm on the enemy team and the healing isn't great, laslty it's pretty quick, like it runs out pretty quickly

[@trolli2140]

Karq doomfist has the weakest ult and it isn’t even close… the middle circle is currently bugged and it can completely no reg the 300 damage and only do outter ring damage…

[@tolland4433]

Interesting video. The biggest thing that doesn't line up with my experience has to be the genji blade and rip tire. Blades in my games most of the time net 3+ kills on both teams and the tire almost always gets 2+. For me nothing else in the game comes close to the feelings of hopelessness created from hearing those voice lines and you might as well just jump off the map instantly. Honestly everything apart from those two feels fairly accurate even at my rank (gold & plat).

[@CyberDemon1]

Dva using her bomb gives her a new full health mech too, assuming you don’t die in baby.

[@gamesandgraphics3655]

That’s re mech, a totally different ult in this list

[@OobakaSenkoDama542]

it's still technically full health (for baby form lol)

[@zepchir]

23:00 remember when illaris ult did go through barriers? and know it gets counters by almost everything

[@CashMoneyChris]

i think hog ult should've been higher since it can destroy or cancel out so many ults like tree, sym wall, mauga wall, blade, primal, rally, etc

[@Imbadatleague]

Draw out sleep and Suzu…. die, die, die. Works 63% of the time 😂

[@felixwollzenmuller5288]

I like the super smash bros music in the background

[@stormRed]

Mauga can charge Wrecking Ball's mines to destroy them for free.

[@ozzyshy]

Some of these ults or most of them are game changing if paired with the right abilities

[@armando5994]

nano overclock is common in GM and OP, definitely game changing

[@Yshtola.]

illari ult is super fuckin counterable its projectile is still huge, which makes it not very good .

[@PalpatineGaming]

Another plus for annihilation, its great at zoning too

[@zaksinger9633]

@19:00 "You can just 'kúmh' all over the fox--don't Google that/those words together," had me in fits for real. In the middle of this intensely intelligent & insightful brainstorming session of OW2 wisdom it hit me like a left hook & left me laughing hard enough to wake up the rest of the fam'.

[@zackftw2748]

As a junk main, I would have put Rip tire in the “Niche” category at least.

[@LXIXX]

I’m always excited to ult for last fight, “I’m like oh I gotta hurry ! I have ult eeekkk”

[@Quacksnice124]

I’d say widow últ is definitely higher than a niche it’s the ultimate zoning tool no one’s peeking a últing widow imo

[@Mrcoddy]

Given the useless morons I play with running back with kitsune rush still just feels like chucking any random ult into the abyss, but I do get what you're saying if your team has any competence

[@switchblade6]

Yeah it's one of the best ults in the game when actually capitalized on but most players below masters don't do that. And that includes me I'm guilty of not using my team's kitsune on occasion.

[@sawah765]

brig in emp feels so screwed now with the emp buff. cant heal team, literally just a melee practice range bot for 3 seconds with a similar hitbox too. also sym wall deserves to be in the top 2 tiers. the vertical placement where sym dances between it isn't as impactful as waiting for enemies to step up a bit and blocking off their backliners. It's probably the best dps ult if you ignore ult combos/mercy pockets

[@delboy292]

I think sigma ult should be game change since it can force everyone off the cart and make the win, stopping the cart reaching the end, when the timer is on overtime.

[@qTopaz]

But that’s a situation

[@technounionrepresentative4274]

Torbjorn does a similar thing while not being as easy to cancel

[@scudjoples]

Take a shot every time he’s being honest with you

[@WizardyDylan]

i dont get how low sym ult was placed, it feels like a free win in my games. its baseline is it can trade 1 for 1 with other ults, it farms fast, and its so hard to know how to play against.

[@Bighoodiekid]

Blizzard above rip tire and visor?

[@dark_matter8420]

As a tank main, I'd take Doomfist's ult over Ball's ult any day of the week. Especially on their respective heroes. Doom is already better, but Ball would still benefit from Doom's ult more than his own. Minefield is probably the worst Tank ult in the game right now. It's way too easy to avoid, escape from or just simply to destroy.

[@BlacKnight7749]

I love that Reaper take 🤣🤣🤣, so true coming at ur face in wraith it’s dead giveaway for amateur ult 💯🤦🏾‍♂️🤣

[@zenicwave3696]

Maugas cagevis decent but its so easy to stop from getting any elimitations with good support and even a sombra. Or a good team to jump in and kill mauga or destrot his shield so its not that great.

[@fromandtounknown6575]

How do i recognize the ult symbols better than him lol

[@zepchir]

05:02 you would be suprised how many low ranks lock moira + reaper

[@TheRealHypervizor]

I think Bob is Impactful. Extra body w/ Tank HP, point contest, consistent extra dps. He can be shut down with hack and sleep, but you can sleep winston and you can invalidate/eat grav. Your counter-argument was just counter play, but that's every ult.

[@knyt0]

it's easier to shut down than the average ult

[@dylanholm9995]

@@knyt0yeah there is a lot of counterplay for bob to the point where it’s hard to say whether it’s that impactful of an ult

[@armando5994]

even torb ult is better than BOB, more consistent and less counter-able

[@blizzone7404]

This is what I call a support main's list lmao

[@BananaMan-cb8qt]

I clicked this purely to see where youd place dragonblade. Naked blade deserves to be in the weak tier

[@fromandtounknown6575]

Every second time i hear a THIS ENDS NOW, sojourn dies Shes good at predicting her own end as well

[@armando5994]

but in GM when i hear “this ends now” my forehead gets blown off so i guess it really depends on the sojourns skill .. i agree with karq putting her ult at impactful she’s scary

[@praisedsquishy]

#1 reason for unwinnable games, sometimes they can press q when you can't.

[@justphantom7013]

Little correction on EMP: It's not as strong as you made it sound, it got nerfed from 25% instant current health damage to 15% because of the lockout increase.

[@Ricardo-ni8tb]

5:00; Bro I am main Reaper in dps and main Moira in support :(

[@konradl5736]

Well the worst is genjis tickle machine

[@nemnymeria7873]

BoB is a friggin joke xD especially in this meta, A LOT of things can shut him down easily and the damage is not even that scary.

[@yassintitto8693]

Having primal rage in the same tier as overclock and emp and duplicate and jq ult is just dumb all you need to counter this is an ana junk or reaper and done

[@NoDebuffs]

dude, whole hog is op, a free tank kill every second fight and also usefull for c9ing

[@___Alina___24]

Very efficient zoning tool 👍

[@josewolf9884]

19:04 for the no contest karq

[@ellimick5207]

Junkrat tire needs to be ranked higher you can just ult out of spawn and get a teamkill

[@nzxlqoo5427]

bob is a impactful ult counts as a player good zoning ult good ability bait have to play line of sight and it had aimbot impact ult nd alot better then maui

[@superawesomeninja2]

I'd argue that pulse bomb is impactful or at the very least somewhat impactful bc it's not that hard to stick if you practice a bit (there are workshop codes where you can practice sticking it) and if you force out abilities like suzu, then your Ana can nade the enemy team without having to worry about the suzu. Even if you can't get eliminations as Tracer, she still gets value out of distracting the enemy team, and if you're able to distract a support or both of the enemy DPS, then your team will probably win the team fight and you can easily come back to clean up or help your team.

[@diegogo5886]

Nano-boost is great but careful hahah because if you throw the nano at the same second someone’s about to die I won’t matter a bit

[@Ocyvista]

Nano heals for 250

[@Voodoo520]

They made cage fight so bad it legit just became a combo ult

[@MillionDollars00]

Yeah I disagree from the jump. Maybe from a GMs perspective DVA bomb isn’t that good but Masters and lower a good bomb can win you team fights. Obviously if you aren’t sneaky enough with it you can just hide. It’s a game changing ult for sure

[@ralphwarom2514]

Considering how inconsistent its hotbox is, sometimes hitting people behind walls and such. And also being able to ones an entire team. DVA ult is definitely top tier.

[@mckookie2967]

its the best quick play ult for sure

[@Mochaa_op.p]

Bastion ult needs a rework

[@OneBrokeBloke]

I would not call echo ult get out of jail. Ive often used it because i was dying, and then be bursted in my duplication before i even get to use an ability. Then im back to normal, low hp and no cooldowns. Did not get out of jail like that. Cannot disengage with it

[@AngrySecs]

Ngl that's unironically a skill issue

[@artimist0315]

The fact that Molten core is so high up when Infra-sight is so low makes absolutely zero sense. First of all, let's be honest, no one is getting killed or even severely damaged by molten core outside of very specific situations involving combo ults. The vaste majority of time, the only value molten core gets is purely controlling an area, and even then it's really not good at it, not lasting long enough or covering a big enough area to do its job effectively. Even considering that someone gets caught in it, it still has quite a mediocre damage output, even against armor and most heroes have cool-downs to easily walk out of it alive. Sure it can block out chokes, so can abilities that are on a 10 sec cool-down, and will generally do it in a more consistent or impactful manner. I think molten core might be the only ult in the game that could easily be just a random cool-down and not massively break the game. Now let's take a fair look at infra-sight. Sure, it's probably the least flashy or even noticeable ult in the game. But what it does in combination with widowmaker is just extremely good, consistent value. Let's get the obvious one out of the way, yes it allows you to get kills easiers by spotting targets you would have missed otherwise. But even without getting any kills, it's an extremely oppressive ult that can basically control half the map and prevent your enemy from even setting a foot inside of one of your sightline. Rather than blocking out a chock with Torb's ult, with actually zero threat and for a duration you barely notice, widow can threaten an easy one shot in the entire map, and it last so long that most people will even forget it's still up, easily giving you free kill opportunities (probably part of the reason why people think it's bad). But then you also have to factor in how much the information given help your team by showing them the available flanking routes, while completely negating the opponent's flanking opportunities. So not only is it by far the best area controlling ult and a good threat in its own right, but it also just massively unable your team while preventing a lot of plays from your opponent. And this while lasting 2-3 times the amount of most other ultimates in the game. Widow is the best example of invisible value, it might seem completely unimpactful but thinking about it for two seconds makes you realise it actually completely outclasses some other ults.

[@AndyNocturne]

How is tranq not game changing? Talking about coming back to point with an ult up, if my zen has ult, it's like hell yea we got this! Purples can ruin it, but it's basically a get out of jail free card that you can share with your team for things like mauga ult, zarya ult, all the goodies. Plus it can be really oppressive if your team plays aggressively with it

[@mesharigaming6423]

Id argue about many things but you cant drop dragon-blade so low simply because it requires a nano. They literally made it so weak because if nano’d its a guaranteed win.

[@010falcon]

Hanzo definitely needs a nerf. Nerf his Ult. No more one shot headshots. Slower projectile speed. Remove the sonic arrow.

[@_zaymoon]

????????

[@010falcon]

@@_zaymoon what, can't you read, Hanzo is OP. We have to nerf Hanzo to the groooound

[@artimist0315]

Tire should be much higher as it's one of the rare ult that always guarantees a kill if used well, if it's not super telegraphed you will actually not have the time to destroy it. Symm wall is an incredible ult, sure it may not be flashy but it basically unables your whole team while rendering the entire enemy team's pressure useless if used properly, it just completely throw off the pressure balance in a team fight. I'm honestly baffled that Torb ult is rated in anyway, I think I've never seen it ever confirm a kill in a serious setting. It's not even good at area denying since it doesn't cover enough terrain or last long enough to deny an area better than just controlling a sightline (and in that regard it doesn't even stand the comparison with widow's ult). It's in my opinion the worst ult in the game tied with tac visor, AKA the ult that does nothing if you are really good on soldier, but only does nothing for 6 sec.

[@eldenmeow5123]

I like dva ult as a second life.

[@jonathankigozi3373]

Torbs ult is the best zoning ult, it lasts longer than dragon, and even though it can be eaten or blocked, it again lasts in place

[@Hendrick_G]

Hanzo's whole thing is he's supposed to be a silent assassin, yeah you can apply pressure with spam and make space with Dragonstrike, but more than 70% of the time you don't want to be seen, reason why out of all the dps Hanzo has the most silent footsteps, if you pop Dragon to get a kill at more than 8m away you're gonna fail, accept that is a high damage ult but incredibly slow, take all the factors in, did their Zen pop ult yet? Did their Kiri use cleanse? Dropping it from situational to niche shows the understanding people have on it, firing it from a blind spot or right behind them is the optimal use if you want kills or without a grav combo, it is a great space making tool for push though 😂

[@airchampion4658]

I love how 90% of Impactful+ are tank/support ults but people still dont realize how shit dps has been for 2 years lmfao

[@crisdelgadillo6502]

i will say that when you doom ult it can cause you to C9 if your defending point

[@bronzeconnoisseur]

Can I just say thank you for all those hours of insanity you must have put into mythbusting and testing so we don't have to

[@Sebboebbo]

Da king is back baby he neva miss

[@philellis3463]

As a Ball main, honestly getting value out of Minefield is actually super easy. While it is a good zoning tool, you can easily get people to step into honestly. Like the amount of Lúcios, Genjis, and Moiras I’ve seen skate, dash, and fade into my mines without me doing anything is fairly high. Same thing with soldier sprint, I’ve seen a lot of soldiers try and just sprint through the mines and hope that they live lol. I get that people view it as situational. But I I can use it to zone, that’s good value for me. I love seeing a Mei in ice block and popping mines right on top of her. She either has to waste another cool down to get rid of them or she just dies. But the fact that it has such good zoning, for me, I think that’s actually great value in a game where positioning matters.

[@mdc867]

What rank are you? As a master ball main 1 out of every time 10 minefields I get an accidental kill. Every other time I have to boop or ult slam combo(which isn’t even that strong) but I agree the ult isn’t horrible, a tanks ult should be to control space, not get 3 pics

[@dark_matter8420]

​@@mdc867 I have the exact same. I main Ball in GM4 and minefield feels incredibly weak. It's a zoning tool for a second or two at most before it's destroyed, with the potential to get an accidental kill every 1 in 10 times. I'd take Doomfist's ult as Ball any day of the weak. And Doomfist is already better than Ball in just about every way right now.

[@rtgamingmcflury1287]

When are we getting a meta tier list

[@jonableek9452]

When the metta settles in

[@Paul-fw9kr]

winston and doom ult so far away must be wrong

[@fluffydragon3333]

Me with my many many 4K and 5K bastion ults However I am low rank so it doesn’t count

[@juliotitosagastegui9453]

I disagree with dva, i know in mid game is easy to dodge but when i think of the phrase game changing i cant think of a better ult than diva’s, why? Welp i think game changing applies in the most critical moments which is obviously “overtime “ when you cant leave the area or cargo/robot alone so utilizing divas ult is almost a guaranteed win. And ive been in so many games where a single dva ult ends the game during overtime

[@kingoverseas9052]

Coomb'd over the Fox.

[@DanteAlighery]

13:20 GM's still belive that plat/gold players have no progress. Haven't seen reaper like this in a while, they have position mistakes, but not so dumb) *I'm currently low plat, was low diamond*