KASPER SENT DOWN & STEVE DANGLE's ATLANTIC DIVISION PREVIEW - Winged Wheel Podcast - Oct. 6th, 2024

[@koreans1984]

Everybody that needed to prove something showed better than berggren

[@brettmb1000]

Yes. Kasper especially played better than Berggren who looked lost on the powerplay (against TML).

[@brucetheboss1984]

That guy Berggren is a mistery to me. Is a skilled player, but he often seems to luck focus or compete. A pity really.

[@WhiteMonkey66Fla]

Not putting their best players on the roster cost them a playoff spot last year. Edvinson playing top 4 last year I am sure would have improved this team by at least a point.

[@brucetheboss1984]

Nice content as usual guys, can't wait to watch some real hockey finally. Let's hope the Red Wings can get the job done this time. Can I suggest here Hockeytown West Podcast? Those guys cover mainly GR and Toledo. Love their content and is helpful to keep track of our prospect there. Was a nice find for me. LGRW!!!

[@albedz7759]

Maybe we will get to see Kasper, Danielson, and Mazur play a full season when they're 25+.

[@timeout9768]

No matter what the opening day roster becomes I know as the season progresses it will change.

[@davideggleston1031]

Excellent analysis all round. So frustrating with this groundhog day rebuilding fail year after year. Last year Yzerman brought in tough guy Klim Kostin who took a roster spot from Berggren and this year it's tough guy Watson who takes a roster spot from Kasper. Last year one too many goalies so what do we do this year, add even more goalies. They don't make it easy to be a fan.

[@jamesbond1586]

All the slappies talking about how Danielson is ready. Hes not ready at all. He needs to spend the entire year in the AHL. He probably needs the start the season in the AHL next year as well. Nothing wrong with that. He could be ready to contribute when he turns 21. Kasper, MBN and Mazur will be ready this year and will definitely be on the team next year out of camp. Copp, Motte and Watson need to go. Next years team will be when the rebuild ends and you start to see the fruits of what Yzermann has been building these past few years.

[@tedmarling6]

The question is how many youngsters is Yzerman willing to bring up in the same year? Danielson had an impressive camp and should see the NHL roster next year as well. As the boys pointed out, Lombardi could be in the mix also. #LGRW

[@jamesbond1586]

@tedmarling6 I don't blame Yzerman for not wanting to call up players who aren't ready. I think Kasper was clearly ready, but Wings let him return to the AHL. He would definitely help them get off to a quick start. Next year, we should see a couple of prospects make the team out of preseason. MBN will make the team. ASP could make the team, but it all depends on how much weight he is going to put on in the off-season. Same with Mazur. They are the two closest behind MBN. Lombardi needs to put on weight. He definitely won't make it out of camp over the other players listed. He will be in AHL for the full season this year. He will be sent down to the AHL next year after the preseason. He has to put on weight. He's going to be good but just needs to gain more weight.

[@daltonking6956]

I also think the type of rookies you're talking about matters. The thing about Danielson, Kasper, MBN, and I'll throw Mazur in there with less confidence but the thing they've been praised is they play a mature game when they were drafted, and their bodies need to develop more than their minds. Never forget the 2 kids and goat line, we could roll a couple of those in a year and I don't think that would be a bad thing.

[@pjdaddio]

We have seen Yzerman for years assemble rosters. The common trend is that he exudes extreme patience inasmuch as he waits for the players to force his hand (i.e. play well and force me to have to make a tough decision whether that be a trade, a contract, a roster spot, etc.). Further, he sets up his rosters so he has options at nearly all positions. For example, he has 7 top six forwards on the current roster with 2 more in GR, simply an injury and a call-up away. He went into last season wanting 7 NHL defenseman on his roster and ended up with 7.5. The opening night roster is merely a starting point. When players or injuries force Yzerman's hand, he will play the cards he has in both the Detroit and Grand Rapids hands, so to speak. As for the fans, Yzerman's patience is the bane of our existence LOL.

[@TitleistGuy]

If we're gonna keep Waston, why did we bother to move Costin? Costin at least had 'some' offensive upside.

[@JackoTV]

Kostin* , other then that it's spelled cap. Yzerman said after the trade that they couldnt have a guy earning 2 mil sitting in the presser or just play 6-8min a night, that was the reasoning behind the move, which Kostin also requested... Watson was signed on leauge minimum on a two way contract = what you want a 13th forward to be at who can fill in a few games here and there on a 4th line...

[@DONWASABIJUAN]

Do we think there is a possibility of a McGroarty or Gauthier situation in Detroit? If I’m one of these kids I’m thinking I don’t want to wait 4 years+ to break into the nhl on a rebuilding team. It’s a joke

[@Septembersmith9633]

This year will be a good measuring stick for Danielson considering most of his draft class is entering their first years in the AHL. As for the rest of the Red Wings idk, I guess I'm just not as panicked as the rest of the fan base. There's too many unanswered variables to be too upset about where we are. I would love to be a powerhouse team but there's no reason to rush and point fingers this year. If Husso and Larkin can stay healthy that's a good first step for team morale. I honestly think it all comes down to trade deadline time again if you're not talking playoffs at that point you move Kane/Taresenko; or whoever and then play your top rookies. Hell id be bold enough to say you could still have a long shot for the wildcard even with rookies moved up.

[@_Kakoosh]

Johansson was struggling hard. I went to a few preseason games and he was falling all over the ice. Kasper needs to be up though

[@MrJohnny777]

Big fan from Portugal! LGRW!

[@Schwartzkov]

Hong long before our prospects start requesting trades?

[@DONWASABIJUAN]

I don’t see it with our recent first round picks, but maybe somebody in the future. The idea of breaking into the nhl at 23 isn’t exactly appealing

[@Schwartzkov]

@@DONWASABIJUAN I agree. As a huge stevie supporter and defender I am worried and annoyed on so many levels.

[@jeffwalker5514]

People either complain about not making playoffs, or not filling the roster with rookies. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

[@Schwartzkov]

@@jeffwalker5514 Kasper is better than any single player on the 4th line. No? The quicker he plays in the nhl the quicker he gets acclimated no? I can't defend holding Kasper back when he's clearly able to play. He might be better than copp too

[@jeffwalker5514]

@@Schwartzkov I agree, I just think the strategy behind moving all these pieces to both pursue playoffs and bringing up new guys is significantly more difficult than anyone realizes. From what we’ve seen from Kasper it looks like he’ll probably outperform several other guys, but it’s not uncommon for rookies to choke, and with the other guys they know pretty well what they’re going to get out of them. All that to say… I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said. I’d be getting impatient too if I were some of these young guys.

[@ZomBiE519_]

Steve Dangle is extremely entertaining.

[@jeffwalker5514]

@@ZomBiE519_ I saw some rants in the past and couldn’t stand him. Then my algorithm served me more of his takes not too long ago and he quickly won me over. Not at all a leafs fan but I’m a subscriber of his channel now. His takes are just smart, plus he’s thoroughly entertaining and likable. Love the guy now.

[@justinshields3819]

Detroit Red Wings future line-up est: 2029-2030: Kasper Danielson Raymond Buchelnikov Larkin MBN Lombardi Plante Mazur Finnie N. Nilsson Kiiskinen Edvidsson Seider Wallinder ASP Buium Tuomisto Johansson Augustine Cossa

[@scottritcey5166]

And no elite superstars

[@joshtimm8688]

@@scottritcey5166to bad they can choose where they draft🤷‍♂️

[@joshtimm8688]

@@scottritcey5166I would definitely classify seider as a superstar. Specially if he keeps growing.

[@socialmediag5485]

Debrincat larkin raymond Tarasenko kasper Kane Rasmussen compher berggren Motte copp Fischer Watson Our current 3rd line and 4th would be reversed to me . I’d prefer moving copp with retention over veleno but I think veleno is more tradeable atm and he’ll basically be nothing than a 4th liner here . Berggren on a 4th line is pointless . Can even reverse compher and kasper since he has chemistry with Berggren but I like kasper with the 2 vets Depending how Berggren progresses as well as Rasmussen one can be dealt or Rasmussen put on a 4th line and move a motte at some point and call up mazur as well. We can’t have 4-5 rookies next season. I’d like to hold on to Berggren and build up his value first Mazur kasper Berggren 3rd line would be nice to watch as well. Yzerman has to start moving some trash real soon

[@Kwritter66]

Feel like we have wasted so much time on veleno….. really wish we would have waived him. Drop copp to the 4th line and have Kasper center the 3rd line.

[@solarion9802]

At the risk of sounding like I'm nitpicking Dangle...how in the world is the Leafs' regular season success "unprecedented" with zero president's trophies and one division title as a result of the rather anemic Canada division during covid lockdowns? Even then, I've no doubt Leaf fans would've preferred the fate of Montreal that season as they stomped Toronto and went all the way to the finals. Yeah the Leafs have reliably made the playoffs for several years, but until they've managed to stack a few division titles and/or a couple president's trophies, I fail to see how their regular seasons have been all that impressive...save compared to their horrendous playoff record.

[@christincu2933]

Here's a solitary vote for grand Rapids to sign Isaac Ratliffe and teach him and Elmer Soderblum to play a physical net front game that translates to the NHL

[@pjpredhomme7699]

Not a bad idea - but do you really think that is something that is teachable? I think that hunger for contact and creating chaos in front of the opponents net is something that is innate. I totally could be wrong - that it is teachable - I think back to someone like Thomas Holmstrom and the havoc he used to create - he took a LOT of punishment also but you could tell he loved every minute of it .

[@sportsfix6975]

Moooose!!! Net front presence and playoff goal specialist! Ended his career way to early though...

[@JackoTV]

​@@pjpredhomme7699yup Homer played like a wreckingball even as a teenager back in Sweden before coming over to Detroit i remember, the whole reason he got drafted cause he couldnt skate or shot the puck but damn did he have compete and a desire to be in the toughest area on the ice!

[@brettmb1000]

Brad @ 20:00 spot on.

[@voity81]

"Austin Matthews scored 69 goals last season" "Nice"

[@_Kakoosh]

#JusticeForKasper

[@dennisgoebel3615]

What was the biggest criticism of this team last year? They are not tough to play against. Watson and kasper change that. Now you are tinkering with a good (not great) lineup.

[@WeAreLight05]

The main thing Yzerman screwed up on to me is hiring motte, gustsfsson and Watson instead of getting a real top 4 dman like tanev or walker from wsh. Needed to use Kasper. Bad contracts are Holl and Copp.

[@TitleistGuy]

Side bar though about Watson, it is nice to see someone that will hopefully prevent another open season on Larkin.

[@DTA555.]

They don’t play together so Larkin is still open to get whooped especially by teams that have a good memory of what he has done this preseason especially. Watson is probably in GR he can’t help with being a goal scoring player. He is overrated and a goon who will put them on the pk.

[@Valace21]

Berggren was told to focus on defense, which he did. So lets move the goal post. Berggren is stuck on the 4th line again playing with Joe, so now we want Kasper on the 4th line? Thought he wasn't supposed to be playing on the 4th line. Hard disagree.

[@tedmarling6]

They won't break up that third line because of the success they had with those guys playing together last year. He's not top 6 so the 4th line was the only option. I'm sure if the lines are stagnant or as injuries occur, you'll see changes.

[@hockeyinalabama]

Ottawa's offensive numbers were good. In fixing the goaltender situation, how can you not predict them to move up? Doesn't mean it will happen, but hockey will have to be random for them not to.

[@nirvanaguitar]

It really sucks when you realize you almost know how Sens fans feel. Thanks, Stevie! #JusticeForKasper

[@BrentNinedorf]

Do you all think that the turnover of the training staff a couple of years ago is leading to less injuries? Something I was curious about. Maybe more current philosophies were leading to less injuries? Will be interesting to see. Didn’t seem to be as many injuries the last couple of years.

[@joshbutler6750]

I think everyone is putting way too much stock in preseason. if you're going off preseason performance you basically gotta put all of red wings top 6 on waivers. Kasper played well, berg deserves a fair shot and more than 5mins a game.

[@carmanwright2889]

Give it a month for a trade or two to materialize. The biggest setback to this rebuild is some bad free agency signings. Understandable why they weren’t a seller at the deadline last year but probably would have helped if they were.

[@caubs95]

cat larkin raymond tarasenko compher kane ras copp kasper motte veleno fischer watson berggren anyone who disagrees is a chump

[@Bryguy1986]

Can't wait for Watson to jump a guy that Mo was handling just fine and give Ottawa a 7 min PP. Lalonde said it gave them "energy", will see how much energy you get when Stutzle pops in two goals on that power play.

[@breakyachy8135]

Good way to kill last 2 hours of work. Thanks boys

[@nathanspreitzer6738]

Steve Dangle appearance!!!

[@klompsauce]

Will Holl clear waivers? 😂 LGRW

[@DerpDerpityDerp]

Hope not

[@directionallycorrect2027]

When does Dan Watson replace Gru?

[@pjdaddio]

Well, hopefully Quenneville is in line before Watson, no disrespect to Watson.

[@lightbringer543]

Kane should not have been re-signed, thats why there is no place for younger players. There is no way an old Kane with bad hip leads us anywhere in the playoffs. I like the guy but it was purely a marketing signing!

[@wyattbarnes9641]

Kane is a good player though and will produce in a top 6 role. The problem is Copp makes 5.6M a year for a role Kasper could fill and probably chip in more offensively, the guy also has multiple years left on that deal. Also, there are roster spots taken up by guys that are borderline AHL players. Not bringing in one of the most talented d men in the organization last year arguably cost them a playoff spot, now they’re repeating the same mistake with a forward that played well enough to look like one of the best 9 forwards on the team.

[@RuneGetSkagg]

Agree fully on the diffent ways youguys asses the Kasper situation. Really great analysis from different angles. I do hope that Ryan's take is whats going to play out. Let me add another simpler assessment of yhis situation: you leave the arguably best player in the preseason out of the roster, then you better win and be on a pace that clearly takes you to playoffs. If not, then you owe the player and the fans an apology and you should be seriously questioned if you are the roster responsible the team needs.

[@brentanderson3887]

Is it possible, and I hate to ask this, that Campbell signed his deal just to get the assistance he needs? Much like Vrana, I believe Yzerman will punt him ASAP

[@nolan13075]

How is putting Kasper on the 4th line 8 minutes a night with Veleno and Motte the long term view? I guess if you don't care about Kasper developing his offense.

[@Disciple_of_Larkin71]

#justiceforkasper

[@DefectiveSquash]

Trade out Veleno for Kasper, Berger for Mazur, and Lyons spot can be used for Danielson to give Tarasenko and Kane rest throughout the year

[@gavinmarion91]

They should trade one of Veleno or Berggren or both with Määttä and picks/prospect. To upgrade the defense. Fowler or Andersson something like that. Upgrade and let the kids play. Would say Chariot or Petry, but they don't actually have value for the contract.

[@DefectiveSquash]

@@gavinmarion91 make a deal with Lyon and Veleno/Berger to Calgary for Anderson.

[@chrismills8255]

And they go with 12 forwards lol

[@TheUtube53]

When will Newsy ever play Watson? He never played Kostin. Newsy needs to be fired.

[@mattl2642]

Annnddddd 0 rookies make the roster. This management staff is a clown show

[@nirvanaguitar]

Forwards* Al-Jo looks to be making the team.

[@mattl2642]

​@nirvanaguitar the guys 24 years old and not waiver eligible.

[@waterboy417]

@@mattl2642bro decides who is a rookie or not 😂😂😂

[@mattl2642]

​@@waterboy417 without his waiver eligibility status being gone. Do you think he even makes this bad defensive rotation? My guess is no.

[@waterboy417]

@@mattl2642tbh I can’t watch preseason it’s too boring for me. I just know that they’ve been doing this shit for like 30 years with keeping the kids in the minors too long and yet every offseason people like you get worked up cause you think “this is the year it changes” lmao stop acting like it’s ever gonna be different

[@thepersonwho269]

If kasper doesn't play most of the season, do you think yzerman loses the majority dedicated fan support?

[@jamesbond1586]

Berggren is fine. He will have a good season. Better than Wings fans want to admit. Marco Kasper will be better than Larkin by the time he turns 23. He was ready to make the team this year out of camp. He was the best forward this preseason without playing his best. Kasper will be a big point producer. People saying otherwise are fools. Wings need to have serious discussions regarding Copp and Watson. Hopefully both are gone and/or traded during the trade deadline. Lalonde needs to add more youth. It doesnt need to be the whole farm but add more youth. Wings will have a plethora of young players who can make the team next year.

[@europason2293]

Thinking Kasper will be better than Larkin is some serious copium.

[@jamesbond1586]

@@europason2293 Group think...smh. It's obvious but you can't see it because you don't understand hockey.

[@europason2293]

@@jamesbond1586 I understand hockey just fine. I played it my whole life. I don't doubt Kasper will be a good NHLer, but you're coping hard if you think he will be better than Larkin.

[@DTA555.]

@@europason2293Larkin is not a defensive player he gets lucky at times but he had the most giveaways on the whole team last season.

[@williamsteffey3434]

Lions…make playoffs, make a run…ultimately snuffed out. That’s ok…historically bad team that’s finding their footing. Tigers…make playoffs…make a run…results unknown. MLB Cinderella…who knows how far they go ? Pistons…still SUCK !!! Red Wings….next up…don’t let the rejuvenated fanbase down.

[@mysteryman5921]

Ryan is such a homer lol

[@TitleistGuy]

I sorta hopes Yzerman sells high and flips Kasper into a solid #2 D man. Someone had to be interested in Kasper b/c he did crush pre-season.

[@lochheadesl6631]

winged wheel plus steve dange... soy gonna be layered heavy in this 1

[@ianwamsley2595]

You’re lame

[@nadaduo1765]

yzerman is out of his depth, useless gm 😂