Katy Perry's Faux-Feminist Flop Era

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[@RachelOates]

~3:20 Sorry, I misspoke here! I meant to say "90% of men there WHO murder women" and not "90% of men there murder women" - tiny word, makes a biiiiiig difference to the meaning. My mistake, sorry!

[@tensugarcubes]

@@bugcoveyou could just. google female genital mutilation.

[@luisinascarafiocca9313]

She's talking about female genital mutilation. According to statistics (I found them in UNICEF web) more than 230 million girls and women alive today have undergone female genital mutilation in more than 30 countries, especially in Africa, the Middle East and Asia. (Excuse any mistakes, english is not my first language) @@bugcove

[@luisinascarafiocca9313]

It has nothing to do with transphobic rethorics, FGM is performed mostly for religious/cultural reasons

[@lesbiangoddess290]

​@luisinascarafiocca9313 they're incredibly dangerous and I genuinely think that when a culture/religion is disportionately harming women and girls, the culture/religion should be revised and changed.

[@dextermorgan-u2z]

@RachelOates when i feel that the world is way too perfect, i turn on netfIix subtitIes in various languages. one tiny word in the subtitles of other language sometimes completely messes up a good joke, or a character, or a scene..

[@MarsAguirre]

Them discussing dating insecure men when being a successful woman is important, but using the term "Alpha Woman" implies that there are other women that are inherently inferior than they are, which is an interesting use of words when you're trying to "empower" women.

[@peonylarkspur645]

It’s just pinkwashing manosphere language

[@fralanasko2900]

Can we not do alpha women ... I can not be arsed with any of that

[@yololoyo7379]

I hate that term. When we as human supposed to be equal

[@please_im_a_staaar]

It's just a refactored gender-swapped version of the alpha vs beta males that men use to maintain a sense of social hierarchy because god forbid we live in the world of unity and equality.

[@8bitky43]

Literally had a job interview that kept using that term. "This is a male dominated field so we need an alpha female to come in with her best assets" like miss girl this is a front desk position, we're not leading an army over here.

[@GuilhermeOliveira-yg4yj]

Her flop was so big it made Rachel stop reviewing those TikTok books just to talk about it

[@larissabrglum3856]

Truly, I didn't think I've ever seen someone flop this hard

[@yojjerific]

“Stop rewarding men for doing the bare minimum” yas, thank you 👏

[@Ulthek]

Don’t put them down when you think they aren’t doing the bare minimum. A lot of men don’t expect to be rewarded for doing our fair share, we expect (and often get) the opposite. Patriarchy is shitty for everyone, in unique and crappy ways.

[@lisapeesalemonsqueezah3241]

@@Ulthek a good partner should probably avoid making accusations about disproportionate effort until they’ve calmly discussed it with their partner. And also, adults shouldn’t need praise for cleaning their own homes or caring for their own children.

[@Randomstuffs261]

Do you ever feel like a plastic bag? Drifting through the wind... wanting to start again?

[@RachelOates]

Every day but sadly it's a woman's world so I cannot be a plastic bag, only a woman :(

[@Randomstuffs261]

@@RachelOates The alpha female grindset

[@isaacbenrubi9613]

Sadly, I am not a plastic bag. I am a burlap sack.

[@Randomstuffs261]

@@isaacbenrubi9613 You just gotta ignite

[@whatthehellisthis]

i fear that katy needs to start again with this era

[@LylahK]

The ending where she steals a tiktok dance from the Black woman by literally copying her and stealing her equipment was ironically very yt feminism vibes 😭

[@moustik31]

Right?

[@badoem5399]

Omg that was so funny she didn't know that's what it would look like so that's only how something like this would happen

[@mayakashisagan4025]

did she say alpha woman unironically?????????????????

[@elle1192]

Framing sex as a reward for basic housework just makes men more entitled. The two things shouldn't be connected.

[@lemsip207]

She uses love languages as a way to hide behind transactional sex. The book about love languages was debunked as another evangelical Christian book repackaged for the secular market like Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus.

[@raspberryitalia3464]

From where I'm standing, Katy Perry worked with Dr Luke again because her most successful era was when she made music with him, and she's desperately trying to cling to relevance. It's just greed, plain and simple. She's willing to work with a predator if it brings her the success she craves. I'm not a fan lol

[@caseyw.6550]

Exactly.

[@larissabrglum3856]

The interesting thing is that although he's continued to produce pop music, a lot of commentators have been saying that his more recent output, compared to his earlier work, has tended more toward the mediocre and derivative. Perhaps he's running out of ideas, perhaps he's resting on his laurels. Either way, he's not thriving in the industry the way he once was, so what makes Katy think he's going to make the early 2010s happen again?

[@hanfam7665]

Based on everything I’ve heard about her… she seems like the type of person that will do anything to succeed and that means anythingggg. Sad but not surprised :/

[@kissarococo2459]

@@larissabrglum3856 Because she tried twice on her own and got flops, she is terrified of new because new is unpredictable.

[@mookinbabysealfurmittens]

She was also MARRIED to _KNOWN GRAPElST_ RUSSELL BRAND _and_ always refused to talk about any single bit of the horrible things he did (to others, even if not willing to talk about her own experiences). Not before, during, or after it all went public, nor after his obvious ploy to stage "Them™" being "out to get him".

[@RainE136]

How can anyone feel "empowered" by her "woman's world" where alleged rapists get to disempower women with nary a consequence?

[@Listening_Books12345]

Also, the very small and unavoidable fact that, oh, I dunno, WOMEN IN AMERICA DON'T HAVE BODILY AUTONOMY. LITERALLY. RIGHT NOW.

[@neem1940]

I was listening to the Pitbull and Dolly Parton song Powerful Women the other day. Its a pretty simple song with not the most in-depth lyrics but it still manages to capture the celebration of women, whereas the simplistic lyrics of this song just feel low effort and trash.

[@Alias_Anybody]

Honestly, if I was Perry and somehow got out-feminismed by Pitbull of all people that would be my signal to buy a log cabin in northern Canada to retire.

[@caseyw.6550]

Some of the lyrics sound like an ad for toilet paper.

[@storageheater]

@@caseyw.6550 women: soft and strong, and very very long. shop now! at least she didn't go with "tuggable, huggable softness.” But I would've respected that tbh

[@icravedeath.1200]

​@@Alias_AnybodyPitbull seems like one of those guys who's more based than they first seem. Either that or there's something really nasty you don't know about them.

[@katie2123]

This is how I found out dolly and pitbull have collaborated

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

I don't like a lot of the 'feminine divine' rhetoric because 1) it's gender essentialism and also anti trans and 2) really tethers a woman's value to having children, which for many women who do NOT want children or feel much of an affinity for children, feels off

[@Alias_Anybody]

I simply can't stand the esoteric/superstitious vibe of it. No Gwyneth, a vag is just an organ. An unnecessarily politicised one, but still. Not any more supernatural than your left pinky.

[@mayakashisagan4025]

it's the good old gender role with sprinkles on top

[@lesbiangoddess290]

It's icky asf

[@whatthehellisthis]

you did it, you broke down TERFs to their bare essentials! (ofc i can’t definitively say that it applies to katy specifically, but it’s kinda sus)

[@peonylarkspur645]

YES

[@kierad1794]

I think she aimed for satire and missed the mark by a longshot. It was so bad. And working with Dr. L*ke makes it WORSE. She’s been friends with Kesha and involved in the case the past. The whole thing is an obvious sellout of herself and her “friends” its awful!

[@mikalcarruthers]

And Katy is still DEFENDING him too after being exposed as a disgusting person. I feel bad for Kesha regardless

[@epictwinkaho1ic828]

The other thing that gets me annoyed is Katy has been out of the game for a while and idk of people were aware this but Katys brand has always been that she's even been happy about her boob's and doing music videos where they focus on that. Her new music song was literally nothing different from what she's always done. She did explain, it was satire, it wasn't translated that way. However honestly people are jumping too hard on someone who seems like they don't want to change, doesnt have to change regardless of "oh shes an artist her music has to change to be relevent." It really doesn't so long as a certain minimum of people buying her music, her sponsors paying her, and minimum merch. Just enough to pay her bills and afford her baby and her family. The only thing Katy really has to answer for is the rapist guy, that's it. She's from a Shane Dawson, Onision, and Jeffree Star era this kind of thing was normal. Offensive but it was normal, society is just no longer complacent as the people who were marginalized their voices grew louder and now were at a point where 2005 till 2013 era was such a blegh awakening. I feel Katy will genuinely change as her baby gets older.

[@mikalcarruthers]

@epictwinkaho1ic828 If she didn't want to answer the Dr. Luke, why did she have him involved in her music video to begin with after Kesha exposed him as an alleged grapeist

[@epictwinkaho1ic828]

@mikalcarruthers Exactly!!! Everything about her music I could forgive cause it seems like that's the brand she likes and sticks with. I can deal with not changing up your music but why work with someone that literally goes against everything you stand for and to someone that seemed to be your geniune friend away from the spotlights. I CANT condone her Dr.Luke involvement and defense of him like "no Katy absolutely not." 😤😤😤 Poor Kesha, Katy is just not THAT friend. Also, didn't something similar of Katy being the worst friend ever happen with her and Taylor Swift too??? Or did I just hallucinate that friendship??

[@mikalcarruthers]

@epictwinkaho1ic828 I don't think Katy really stands for Feminism. Because if she did, she would not be sexualizing feminism and not work with someone who's allegedly harmed women. It just sends a bad look

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

Katy Perry is like a time capsule from 20 years ago, and I'm so happy we're no longer there, lol

[@simona_sigmund1001]

Now that you've said that i can't unsee it. She truly is 💀

[@lemsip207]

It was pretty bad in the 00s, and women had to look anorexic with breast implants as well.

[@samwindmill8264]

Thank you for reminding me of Ben Shapiro's profoundly hilarious reading of "WAP"😂

[@ShunShunOri]

I heard another KZbinr, FD Signifier, call him far-right Mandark and I just 💀💀💀💀💀

[@soyevquirsefron990]

I’m a dude who worked a lot of overtime at my stereotypically masculine job, and I always did the dishes and laundry because I could stumble home exhausted or wake up still tired and robotically think “dishes dirty must put in dishwasher” or “big heap dirty clothes must put in laundry machine” and then I’d go back to work. Meanwhile my wife was working part time and dealing with the kids schools and appointments and cooking and cleaning and whatever issues the kids had on any given day, I took care of the routine stuff that needed to be done the same way every day when I was too tired to think about it, and she had the bandwidth to pivot to whatever weird thing popped up that day.

[@pensivelyrebelling]

This is pretty much how things work in my relationship. My partner is the full time worker doing routine things. I often feel like he’s doing so much more, but I know when I take too much on, that ability to pivot really gets so difficult. I love that we’ve figured out the way our particular strengths fit together successfully.

[@juliannatemple848]

“Authentic is the last word I’d use to describe Katy Perry” is sending me😂😂😂

[@07Flash11MRC]

... Idk, maybe she used to be authentic in her early years...?

[@skaisnotdead]

I don't for a moment believe she was aiming for satire. I think she heard the backlash and feedback from fans and tried to flip the script. I genuinely think she thought people were going to like the song and panicked when they didn't.

[@lacey892]

same i really think she imagined herself as this 'feminist icon' cosplaying rosie the riveter w star-spangled titties lol it's so goofy

[@ambergerhamburger]

Girl, your speech about men (and women) just being adults and doing basic adult tasks together in a relationship without any ulterior motives 🙌

[@StonedHunter]

Am I the only one who gets weirded out by this whole "feminine divine" thing? Like what about afab enbies? What about trans men? What about cis women who simply aren't and have no interest in femininity? It just feels off...

[@RachelOates]

This!!!

[@Alias_Anybody]

I mean, they were talking about friggin astrology for minutes, that type of superstitious magical thinking was pretty in line with the rest.

[@user-ny1wo1vp9r]

In my experience most people who talk about divine feminine tend to also be weird about gender roles and stereotypes. Like, they tend to put a pro-woman spin on traditional gender roles and act like that's the only way to be.

[@StonedHunter]

@Alias_Anybody i dig astrology, it's a fun concept as long as you don't try to use it to replace actual science and psychology. It's the gender focus and trying to frame one gender as the superior for made up reasons in a way that feels like instead of equity and equality they just want to replace men as the dominating force in this capitalist hellacape.

[@lesbiangoddess290]

​@user-ny1wo1vp9r yeah like following rigid, oppressive gender roles is a feminist act. Choice feminism ruins lives

[@mchsy5554]

I hate our society. I hate that relationships are just “doing a nice thing for the other person so you gain sex.” I’m not a gumball machine you put a quarter in to get a treat. I’m a human being. Transactional is crazy to apply to human relationships

[@edvh88]

Or at least transactional like any relationship where you give time and care because you genuinely enjoy spending time together and seeing the other person happy.

[@Dollparade321]

It's exhausting. I just want to love and be loved, but I'm a tool for male pleasure.

[@AragornElessar]

Doing chores is basic life skills. The bar for what men are expected to do is a tripping hazard somewhere on the floor...

[@lesbiangoddess290]

Its in the 9th circle of hell

[@spOOkytimes]

Exactly. Why is the default that housework belongs to women? If both people work, it should be divided accordingly. Not taking ownership over their own home, including cooking and cleaning, is childish. I've seen men who work full-time with their wife staying at home and still do chores and cook because they understand that they are in a team.

[@iprobablyforgotsomething]

@AragornElessar -- A great king, yet still a humble, sensible man; Arwen's a lucky lass. : ) . But fr, yes it sadly is at trip-hazard height. -__-

[@isaacbenrubi9613]

Katy Perry's entire career is predicated on the "oh I'm bisexual; I have big breasts; I like sex" trope. Unfortunately, it kind of makes sense why she fell back on her old look/styles, given that it's sold in the past. Pop music is inherently focused on what is currently "pop" - ular, so bringing her feminist and empowering tropes, while not subverting the general expectations of that musical world, is basically how the industry currently works. Addendum: 18:20 For some reason, the term "alpha-ing" made me feel a little sick for a moment. The whole "alpha" thing is just so ridiculous, especially considering it's been denounced by the person who put it forward in the first place.

[@digapygmy70]

I literally remember Katy Perry being asked if she had ever kissed a girl around the time that song was big, and she made a face like “ew!” There’s nothing authentic about her.

[@lacey892]

THANK YOU! When she spoke about 'experimenting', my jaw hit the floor bc I very specifically remember the whole issue of queerbaiting w that song learning she wasn't actually kissing girls and my little gay teenage heart broke.

[@sophiarafferty]

it's a shame I really enjoyed Katy back in the 2010s with her iconic era, lately it's been flop after flop she's been trying to make meaningful music but it seems like she's not passionate about it or has the knowledge to pull it off. Nothing in this song is at all feminist and working with Dr. Luke on top of it all...

[@nullusanxietas2379]

I am anti giving men participation trophies for maintaining the house they live in. It's an instant red flag if a man expects a sticker or what Katie said for cleaning up after himself or closing a pantry door. If a 14 year old can manage it, anyone can.

[@neem1940]

I find it so interesting how I can't always verbalise the male Vs female gaze but when I see it I know it. Straight away with this music video I felt objectified and uncomfortable as opposed to the joy I feel watching something like Chappell Roan etc...

[@icravedeath.1200]

Or, if you want another example, comparing the film Jennifer's body to its own marketing. The male gaze is disgusting, and I was raised amab lol.

[@WoodwindBuddies]

That clip of Katy squeezing her oiled up boobs together is low key unsettling.

[@gingivitis9148]

I think Alice Phoebe lou is also a good of fem gaze example, she has lyrics that are sexual or could be read as objectifying (in a I'm so in love with being in love with you, way), mf writes lyrics like "Here's my body, and it's dripping wet" and "I'll take you on the ground" but there in songs about great communication and remembering a good date (underworld and nostalgia), so it never feels male gazey

[@austa3460]

I don't know why it hits me now, but one thing I really enjoy about Rachel Oates' content is how much nuance she dives into a subject with. I feel like it's easy to just focus on the points where Katy really has messed up and came off as offensive and ignorant. But this kindness that Rachel approaches people with, giving Katy points for congratulating her team and loving her dog and sharing some actual relatability is just very transparent and I really appreciate that outlook too.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

WOMAN BY KESHA YESSSS ✨✨✨✨ i love kesha!!! edit 12:28 i think this is referring to her dad. her dad is an evangelical pastor who had his church come pray over her at concerts when she sang "i kissed a girl" and is genuinely very fundie, and she moved away from that- i dont like a lot of what shes saying here but i think this specific thing makes sense in that maybe it wasnt authentic as in who she actually WAS but that she had the freedom to create what she wanted to after deciding to leave the fundie group- its authentic in that she chose what she wanted to make, instead of the religion causing her to lose control over her creativity

[@mikalcarruthers]

First of all, does Katy Perry really know what Feminism really means? Second of all, why did she let Dr. Luke of all people direct the music video? To me, Dr Luke hates women. This was the wrong way

[@larissabrglum3856]

A bit of a nitpick, but he didn't direct the music video; he served as a writer and producer on the song while the video was directed by, believe it or not, a woman named Charlotte Rutherford, which raises some interesting questions about how women can internalize the male gaze.

[@lovermomo9027]

Not to mention, the flat balloon image of her in the mv was called out by someone on twitter stating that it mocked a similar art that depicts r*pe victim and sex crime

[@peopleeps4756]

Do you know what the original art piece is called? I'd like to see it and support the original artist of the idea

[@lovermomo9027]

@@peopleeps4756 It was tweeted after a few hours the MV was released so it has been a while now. So I haven't been able to find it, sorry.

[@larissabrglum3856]

​@@lovermomo9027Are you maybe referring to how crime victims' bodies are outlined on the ground in shows like CSI?

[@nicolette4681]

Icon for hire and even pink are great feminist artists.

[@jordanchobson]

Yes. Love Pink ❤️

[@icravedeath.1200]

Based icon for hire enjoyer

[@jartecus]

Scene queen is awesome too! Though her songs are adult oriented and occasionally cover heavy topics (like SA and grooming).

[@lonelyhermit1182]

Pink mentioned!

[@JuliaElizabethGraves]

Two of my favorite artists, thank you 💚

[@Cozy_cozzz]

Katy has always been problematic. When she released "I Kissed a Girl" she says it was about seeing a picture of an actress in a magazine and thinking about how she maybe could see herself kissing them and always played it up as bicurious. She also in the past has called Rhianna a hood rat, outed her brother on twitter, and during the blm protests said "all lives matter", also don't get me started on the song "Ur So Gay". She did grow up religious, and seemingly very sheltered so I thought by the time she got to this point in her life she would have grown, but I guess not.

[@PetraDurus]

I lost count of the amount of times I had to pause the video to have an imaginary argument with Katy Perry after she said something annoying and/or ignorant. But the point of her going from a conservative Christian upbringing directly into being a rich and famous person does illuminate how she never really had a proper chance to develop true compassion or awareness of others and the world around her. Anyway, thank you, Rachel, for holding our hands through this excruciating experience.

[@larissabrglum3856]

It's now occurring to me that she has a bit of that Shane Dawson/Colleen Ballinger energy

[@guidoferri8683]

I assure you that this is not an example of good podcast. Honestly it's not really Katy Perry's fault, it's the host that should have directed the interview better. If you want to listen to a good podcast, I'm ABSOLUTELY sure you will love Ologies by Alie Ward, since you seem to like science and animals. It's a series of interesting interviews to scientists and other experts about their niche fields, like teuthology (squids), vexillology (flags), gustology (taste), native melittology (indigenous bees) or vampirology (vampire folklore).

[@alisaurus4224]

That sounds fascinating! Thanks for the rec

[@aloevera533]

Ologies is so good!

[@Everyyoueverymiau]

Ologies is amazing

[@spa-peggymeatballs4861]

Ah thank you! This looks great, thanks for the suggestion!

[@p0t.n00dle4]

22:10 as if Katy Perry does her own dishes? She definitely pays someone to do all that for her, most likely another woman.

[@larissabrglum3856]

Apparently she and her husband do their own dishes on the weekends 🙄

[@brunetteartist24]

Your commentary on the interview was better than watching the interview itself,, its like katy herself can tell how inauthentic she's coming across the one time she's tryna do the whole authentic "this is me, a woman" thing

[@larissabrglum3856]

Definitely

[@alexlemaire8513]

14:45 that's why celebrities go on podcasts now instead of actual interviews, they won't get pushed to give actual answers and asked proper questions

[@kathrynolsen1256]

33:02 I got death threats from someone who treated thin women as goddesses and people literally called him out as a blessing from god in church while I was remembering that he wanted to beat me to death for being a fat b**** who didn’t know s***. I had to go elsewhere for three months before I could be in the same room with him and not get a panic attack.

[@TrailerFab]

“Let’s not act like he just gave you a kidney.” 😂😂😂😂😂 I’m going to have to remember that one.

[@jordanchobson]

Katy said Libras are intuitive. Did she intuite that Woman's World was going to flop this hard?

[@miguel-h]

😂 ikr 😂

[@lacey892]

fr like you're intuitive yet hired a known abuser to collaborate with? gimme a fuckin break

[@ericmabry1752]

Also the way Katy responds to working with Dr. Luke by basically saying oh don't worry he didn't actually have any influence on the music/lyrics themselves (though that would explain why they ended up being so superficial and sexist) totally misses the point. Nobody was worried about his level of involvement in your creative process, but that he was involved in the first place. I'm not sure if she just doesn't understand where the outrage is coming from or is actively deflecting, but its just super disingenuous and counterproductive to the message she wants to push. How am I supposed to trust that you come from a place of women empowerment when you collaborate with someone who keeps being a danger to those real women.

[@stebu178]

I think some women use sexy imagery when trying to be “feminist” because it makes it more palatable and less threatening to men.

[@saralynx6511]

Sadly, I thinky ChatGPT would write something better than Woman's World...

[@dawndreamweaver8373]

This entire song and music video to me screamed: "Incels attempt to write 'female-empowerment song' to demonstrate they are Nice Guys™" 🤢

[@robkemp598]

What on earth was she thinking?

[@petrichorbones]

idk, as a Marina fan i feel like "Woman's World" is just a poorly done sequel like Despicable Me 4 or whatever. Man's World by Marina kind of feels like it accomplished a lot more as a song. but also i feel like its contradictory to want to tackle heavy topics like feminism in an album where your goal is "to get out of your head and just dance" like uhhhh do yiu want to have thoughts in your head or not!? clearly not 😅😅😅

[@petrichorbones]

also yeah talk about poorly timed. Women in Afghanistan aren't allowed to be seen or heard now. Women (and men and children) are still being geno slided in Pal e stine and women in Sudan and Congo and Haiti and the list goes on ... not to mention women in the usa are being put at risk by anti-abortion laws... its just more imperialist pop music drowning out the horrors of the world in a truly dystopian way ngl. i genuinely feel horror at it

[@peonylarkspur645]

Marina’s career in general is a masterclass in how to do both satire and earnest emotion, Katy just does not have the writing chops to make either particularly compelling

[@jemzy7746]

@@petrichorbones seriously agree. I would even go as far to say the barbie movie was a pop culture 'feminism' moment. Personally I didn't feel it had any true depth. If the people making these self-proclaimed feminist medias want to truly express it, they should acknowledge more than the middle class white woman struggle.

[@cookiequeen5430]

I know it's just a sidenote but I am baffled by how many people still promote better help. They have to pay very well

[@jemzy7746]

and hellofresh too, although they don't quite measure up to the evils of betterhelp, hellofresh is a sponsor i wish youtubers would stay away from.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

What's more under ever video with a better help ad there're plenty of comments saying it's basically a scam. Is it even worth to advertize it?

[@buffoello]

if this song was satire, the reception would be completely different. like you said, doing and portraying the stereotypical thing is different than subverting it or bringing attention to why it's bad. womens' empowerment is different than playing into the male gaze.

[@mortado28parkour]

Tbf the bare minimum is a pretty high bar for men nowadays lmao. I feel like I just treat women with respect and women will think I like them just because they aren't used to it.

[@lesbiangoddess290]

Its tragic

[@munchiekins]

Good point. It should be the minimum but for a lot of relationships men won't do even that much.

[@sumatrannos]

i'm a guy and if my partner ever told me she would have sex with me if i do the dishes i would told her to not do that, lol disgusting. besides, am i the only one who curious about orlando bloom - because knowing katy perry is like make me wonder how her partner is as a person... he can't truly be a good person either right if katy is how she is? there's no way he has a feminist mindset if katy doesn't.

[@SpecialBlanket]

I do feel more sexually attracted to my partner when they show competence. But that was like... building our house. Not smtg I can also do. Has to be smtg that's practically magic to me.

[@viridianacortes9642]

Dude. I love Orlando Bloom. If he turns out to be a jerk I will be heart broken. I do feel he’s a bit high in himself with his new show. But at the end of the day. We don’t really know…yet. God I would be sad.

[@sumatrannos]

@@viridianacortes9642 i wonder what he thinks about her doing a song with a rapist. or maybe he has opinion about all of this out online and i'm just missing out.

[@viridianacortes9642]

@@sumatrannos dude. If my partner was working with someone like that I would be scared. Like, why risk your SO being in the same circle as that type of person.

[@sumatrannos]

@@viridianacortes9642 i mean i don't think kp is necessary a violent kind of person so her partner is probably safe. i think he rather is on her side and is ok with everything she do.

[@kathrynolsen1256]

3:01 this sounds like the incoherent humblebrag of elderly mamas trying to be cool on Facebook who post about the sanctity of women and then also post about the good old days of child abuse and psychological torture of the LGBTQIA+.

[@lesbiangoddess290]

So true oml. "The good old days of child abuse and the psychological torture of the LBGTQ+ community" is so specific but I totally see the vision 🤢

[@poxidog]

The late 00s and early 10s she was I would say up there. Her songs were upbeat, great sing alongs, and they felt empowering and emotional. Not so much the feminist side but being yourself. To me this comes back to "don't meet your heros" and try to subscribe to death of the author. That said although I subscribe to death of the author I'm finding it harder and harder these days. I own a lot of Neil gaiman books but I just haven't felt able to touch them without feeling gross lately, even though I kind of expect people (especially men if I'm honest) to have, sexual history's I don't want to know about (baring in mind I'm not assuming guilt, but am aware he's known for an interest in writing students he has worked with). It's just upsetting how so many objectively good pieces of media are tainted by those involved. I really wish I didn't know and people could just be quietly pushed aside so their media can still be enjoyed, but that's just not how it works, infact it breeds this very problem. Then there's the question about supporting other jobs in the industries. If we think back to the hogwarts game out in the last few years a lot of people argued she'd already been paid all you're doing is punishing the little guys working on the programing (ps I didn't get the game. It just felt wrong in the end to buy it. My worldview of what was a big part of my childhood is already shattered) All that said I'm not entirely convinced Katy Perry isn't just creating the next persona she thinks will get a new audience (let's be real, the right wing is doing a great job keeping money going to jk Rowling lately, because her original audience isn't). Either way this is not pleasant to watch

[@lemsip207]

I thought she was fake from the beginning. She was on a Christian record label as a singer-songwriter at first and left it as she wasn't making enough money. She must have been faking at that, or she faked at the secular music career she got into later. She appeared without clothes in one video. She went from one extreme to another.

[@SoManyRandomRamblings]

Well said.

[@rebecky5ever]

my favorite feminist song is Ella by Bebé, it's so empowering and the video shows women of all ages being happy. Katy Perry's song is the exact opposite of that, it makes women look happy for men

[@lesbiangoddess290]

One of my favourites is labour by paris Paloma. Its such a real song and the vocals are great. It blew up on tiktok a couple of years ago and the full album cacophony is out. I love the style of pop she's tapping into.

[@lesbiangoddess290]

The difference between feminist artists we know and Katy is that they actually care about what they're singing about and paris likes to made videos and posts about past and present feminist icons who shaped the movement (not just white, cis, straight women aswell)

[@lesbiangoddess290]

I love kimmortal, too. They write about intersectionality too and their flow is great.

[@coralink]

I want to know the full title of that big shark book so bad (also if it's non fiction or a fiction book about, I assume, sharks)

[@RachelOates]

It's Encyclopedia Prehistorica Sharks and Other Sea Monsters and it's a pop-up book! I've got a video on my second channel where I show it :)

[@coralink]

​@@RachelOatesThank you! You're a star, I will sprint to watch it post haste

[@brittsmitt701]

Im sorry i cannot stand Katy after seeing her on American Idol she so clearly hates other women and on several occasions she's been rude to the women contestants.

[@aequalamoromnisius830]

Excited to hear your thoughts on katy perry's flop era!!

[@neonstorm7241]

I might just be suuuper late to the party but I am LIVING for Rachel’s new hairstyle

[@sirkelly55]

9:00 please don't change the way you make your content, your videos are so much better than the drawn-out podcast format!

[@witchcraftandlizardry]

Katy Perry & I are the same age and yet she always gives 2nd hand embarrassment cringey mom trying to cool energy and she’s actually always been this way you will realize if you go back in time so I suppose that’s endearing in that she’s always been her ya know lol idk

[@thatcreepyfangirlstalkerch3572]

I think Matt Bernstein's podcast, A Bit Fruity, is good.

[@whatthehellisthis]

that’s the only podcast i listen to

[@angelicaleipert1031]

People who STILL take sponsorships from better help give me bad vibes

[@kate4781]

16:21 I was raised fundy, and I may be able to give some context. When you are raised with their being a "right" way to do something, there is a strong pull to do things the (new-to-you) right way. She, potentially, left the religion of her upbringing, made friends that matched the what she was told "the world" was like, the kept that world view because she didn't so much deconstruct as switch one system for another. Personally, I had my first crisis of faith at age 11, and stopped going to church regularly bu choice at age 15 or so. It took until age 25 or so to do anything resembling deconstruction and until nearly 30 to realise that I didn't need to follow anyone else's script for my romantic life/my relationship to s*x. In short, I don't find it at all suprising that Katie Perry would have left the church at 17 and still not done the work of deconstruction/have any real idea of what feminism is. Disclaimer: I know not everyone's journey of leaving religion is like mine, and I may be projecting a bit.

[@astarriknight]

1- This top on you is amazing 2-Ashnikko was sponsored by vibrators and she's an amazing advocate for being yourself٫ women sexuality and queerness. She's amazing and she's working on the soundtrack for Season Two of Arcane! i think everyone should check her out i think she's great artist and I'm so happy for her success! 3- there is no way that 6 ppl wrote this song and there is NO WAY she a made a "feminist" song and worked with an abuser. Make it make sense (i guess it does make sense cos she's harassed and assaulted people before so yeah...).

[@bagelprince3]

i got a betterhelp ad on your video eughhh i cringe every time i see someonw still taking their sponsorship and get mad that i STILL get their ads on videos despite reporting them so many times

[@lemsip207]

I have to seen their ads for ages. What I see more are Temu and Hello Fresh.

[@moatrboat]

Cher wrote a song called Woman’s World and it’s way better

[@GemAndMoth]

Katy Perry is very much “of her time” she hasn’t grown as a person or an artist, she’s using cringe out dated phrases (alpha, girl boss), she’s been too famous for too long and that makes her totally disconnected from how most people live (she will never be affected by things like row v wade, so of course she thinks women are doing great! Of course she thinks it’s easy to “be yourself” because she has the money to take risks). Even worse for her there are new women in pop who are doing what she’s trying to do WAY better (Chappell and Sabrina both do camp and satire better, without straight up pandering). Unlike her contemporaries Lady Gaga, Adele, Taylor, etc. she hasn’t been successful at evolving because she won’t grow, she won’t recognize her mistakes, and well, I just don’t think she’s that deep. She doesn’t have layers to pull from.

[@candycigarette7202]

people who use astrology to paint themselves as sooooo creative & freespirited instead of actually troubling themselves to do it through their actions are SUCH an instant bad mood

[@emmmwhat7847]

If anyone’s interested in an actual feminist song called woman’s world might I recommend: woman’s world by little mix 💕

[@Dmimima]

I agree with EVERY word you said in this video, Rachel. I used to be a very big Katy Perry fan but over the years she has become so unbearable and out of touch. Her understanding of feminism and what it means to be a woman feels so outdated and “girl-bossy”. It lacks any depth or critical thinking. And her commentary on motherhood is actually infuriating. A woman’s happiness and identity isn’t tied to her role as a mother. Plenty of women are successful, loved, fulfilled without being a mother. And the fact that she used motherhood as a shield from the Dr. Luke question is very problematic.

[@stephanieok5365]

It's definitely splashing around in the shallow end of the pool level of feminist thought. 🤔

[@airypersiflage]

Yes, I think a lot of podcasts are boring! Too many people are making them, and doing so without an interesting idea, a knowledge base, or focal point. They end up reiterating the lowest common denominator-type talking points, or talking about themselves ad nauseaum. Like you, I only listen to one or two, and those in bursts, not regularity.

[@lemsip207]

Or the guest chatting with the host about something that doesn't interest the listeners at all. Those parts should be edited out.

[@warlordofbritannia]

I can kinda see the bare minimum thing from their side, actually. A lot of men are still normalized to think house chores is for the women and that doing it is demeaning. On that specific situation, I do think getting men to understand the full meaning of a domestic partnership is a meaningful accomplishment. I also don’t think they meant to make it sound transactional, though that is undeniably the implication. I think, and this is quite cynical, that they are simply not that intelligent and this framing is the most they can grasp and explain it as.

[@stephanieok5365]

Considering Katy's dad commodified shaming her for having a career so he could evangelical hustle and the rest of her experience of male interaction is men in the music industry ... by comparison doing household chores probably does seem monumental to her life experience. 💀

[@AMultipolarWorldIsEmerging]

3:15 not to take away from your overall point but male genital mutilation is also a vicious form of mutilation. It’s done for the same reason as FGM , FGM is more barbaric yes but in principle they are the same and done for the same reasons. People don’t take infant corcumcision / mutilation seriously and I think that needs to change

[@peopleeps4756]

I agree! Also forced sexual reassignment does in fact happen a lot to infants, just not in the way that many hateful people suggest. Intersex newborns are often put under surgery to "correct" them, often without consult to the parents first, and it leads to tons of health and mental issues down the line. Many of these people grow up to find they don't align with what has been done to them, and end up having to undergo even MORE medical intervention to fix what was unnecessary to begin with. But no one cares about them when the tr4nsgender scapegoat is right there (Sorry to censor that. Idk what youtubes policies are anymore)

[@cyberame]

i agree with your points but this does take away from her point. this video isn't about genital mutilation. it's a video about feminism where female genital mutilation is mentioned as an example of this not being a 'woman's world'. i'm not saying don't have this conversation or that male genital mutilation doesn't matter as much at all. i am against putting any people, especially children and infants, into unwanted/unnecessary surgeries for any selfish purposes and i think it's an incredibly important conversation the world needs to have. but this is not a video on that topic. this is a conversation for a video on sex trafficking/sexual abuse, not a video breaking down katy perry's newest 'feminist' song.

[@davidchess1985]

Yes! The reason I don't listen to podcasts (or most KZbin channels with more than one host) is that they spend huge amounts of time bantering about stuff I don't care about at all. People who listen to these things must be REALLY bored to find this a good use of time...

[@missemmyful]

I feel like a lot of podcasts that are on KZbin are much more banter-y. Maybe it is most podcasts to be fair. If you like stories, WONDERY and CBC are amazing production groups, i recently got into TORTOISE as well which does multi episode deep dives. There are awesome podcasts out there I promise!!!

[@LiamODonovan-l6e]

Love your videos, rachel conservative male youtubers will always go mad at these small things. Unfortunately, it is a mans world. We need feminism in the world

[@larissabrglum3856]

I think Katy was going for a "Sisters Are Doin' It for Themselves" vibe, but she didn't capture any of what made that song good

[@stebu178]

That song is cringy to listen to now. The bridge of the song comforts men by letting them know that women won’t lie about them, try to take over, or become lesbians.

[@Amira_Phoenix]

0:13 looks like everyone has a drinking problem now: first JoJo Siwa, now Katy.

[@RealLukeWilson]

I’ve noticed Lily Allen’s memoir on Rachel’s shelf for a while, and it’s something I’ve considered reading for years, but it’s either out-of-print in the States or just weirdly hard to find. Is it worth checking out? I haven’t really cared for her music since It’s Not Me, It’s You, but considering she’s long been a controversial figure in feminist pop music, I thought reading about “her thoughts exactly” might be interesting.

[@cookingwithsilence]

Dang.... I met her at Warped Tour when I was a kid, she got stuck on the Ernie Ball Stage with the kid bands. lol. This makes me sad. She was so chill back in then and is now so far removed..... :/

[@Dmimima]

Loved her in the Warped Tour era! Maybe she should have taken her millions and retired after Teenage Dream… because she has been flopping ever since.

[@Stormy177]

I think the fundamental thing is that Katy Perry is a grifter. She started out with an album of Christian songs, then reinvented herself as an overtly sexual, 'controversial' artist. She married Russell Brand, and after that didn't work out, was photographed years later on holiday with a famously naked Orlando Bloom. She's had a child with him so that looks (for now) like a committed relationship, but it doesn't sound like it's really informed her music. In order to launch a successful comeback, she needed to make a splash. Working with Dr Luke is a provocative talking point - he's been found guilty in the court of public opinion, but not in a court of law. He was also responsible for her hits back in the day, so it's understandable that she'd turn to someone she's had success with in the past. Her latest video seems to be in a very similar style to her hits - it's brightly-coloured, it's exaggerated, and it plays up Katy's looks and sex appeal. I guess if WAP is considered an empowering feminist song (as Rachel described it in similar terms early in the video), it's easy to assume that anything you create that blends a mixture of sex and feminist imagery would be seen in a similar light.

[@mortado28parkour]

I have kids and I would do anything for them but my #1 will always be my wife. I don't love anyone more but my wife is my partner for life.

[@alessianese]

It feels like Katy Perry has been briefed about some feminist topics before going to the podcast, and Katy was like, "okay got it. we do so much more labour, also invisible labour" .... (when our housekeeper isn't around). Why do rich people try to be relatable all the time, just BE AUTHENTIC and admit that u have a different lifestyle and that u r privileged, study about who really struggles and use your money and influence to change sth

[@chaosspy6723]

she could've done a collab with Kesha instead. we love solidarity.

[@jrfour2408]

Paris paloma's 'labour' is a feminist anthem. But yeah, this katy perry comeback is very not it

[@oryctolaguspumpkin]

I finished reading 'Invisible Women' last week and have been craving further reading. As if by magic you appear with the perfect further reading list for me! Thanks so much.

[@ikatmax]

You are making amazing content Rachel - there is only one of you. How many creators can say they shook up Gabby Hannah to the point where she still complains about it. Trust what you are putting out into the world - your voice and content matters. I appreciate you. Many of us watching do. I known it is hard because I do it too sometimes - don't doubt your voice and the impact you have. Ps Alizee is sending people to your channel to this video ❤ Keep on being you, your voice has power and the right people find your content. Rather fewer subscribers that truly appreciate you than a million that don't understand why your core values matter. ❤

[@samkariotis1529]

Omg I feel the character comments so hard about Lana Del Ray 😭 when I found out her work wasn't satire I was like what 0_o

[@maybemablemaples2144]

This. She really is like that.

[@SpecialBlanket]

I really feel like she describes. She's just... a sub. It's allowed.

[@mikasa_sucasa]

I admire your drive and passion so much. I can only imagine how optimizing your content to adapt to the YT algorithm, while staying true to your creative self, and not losing yourself in despair over the hard subjects you choose, can be a huge strain on you. I see the grind, and I and so many others respect it a lot. About the appeal of podcasts: we live in times where real life connections have been replaced by parasocial relationships. Podcasts serve to display the real humanity of people, not the fake stage persona that goes to talk shows, etc. I wonder if inviting another creator and discussing some subject (e.g., based on other social media content, or whatever you feel like), can provide your content with some more lightheartedness for the viewer and more joy for you. And the better you and the other person get along, the more entertaining it becomes for everyone. Katya and Trixie, as well as Monet and Bob tdq, have those vibes going.

[@madirenee6576]

finally caught some time to sit down with youtube,, this semester is keeping me so busy but i’m so excited to get some rachel time again

[@lemin0u]

'that's not being a scorpio, love, that's called being a human' I SNORTED

[@TheDavidphandy]

I love how Rachel is like « I’m trying to keep it a little lighter here with this video » then not even 2 minutes later is talking about genital mutilation and predators in the music industry. Love your videos Rachel but you don’t gotta pretend they’re gonna be light, we don’t come here for light commentary, we come here for nuanced feminist takes in literary analysis. Anyway, keep up the great work!

[@moonlightrobbery]

Woman's World would've worked better if the thesis of it was Gloria's speech in the Barbie movie.

[@BeeBod]

I showed my husband the MV and he told me it ruined his day 😅😂 And I quote "I'm so upset now why would you show that to me?" His face was priceless though

[@stingerbee9921]

Why isn't Beyonce on the chopping block for her song? I remember when it came out and she was singing about girls running the world, thinking "Where and how? Please explain." Not that Katy is without fault, but it doesn't seem fair to single her out and ignore everyone else.

[@seamstressdragon8707]

Great work Rachel, will you be covering the whole It Ends With Us movie press/marketing tour scandal and Blake Lively’s tone deaf attitude towards DV survivors?

[@poetmanshell]

After her performance at the VMAs, I can just feel disappointed and disgusted for how she uses feminism to be a sort of sex-symbol for the male gaze. I've never felt much discomfort watching a live performance, especially when you know that nobody's following what Katy Perry is doing. Can't believe she's the same woman who's interpreted Fireworks, Last Friday Night or Teenage Dream or California Gurls, which are culturally defining.

[@bettyunicorn6132]

We’re all chained to the rhythm. To the rhythm to the rhythm! 🎶

[@Ridcully9]

I saw her in Paris recently. I didn't know any of this

[@celinay]

Rachel being a Girly from DWKT just makes sense 🥰

[@yeeyeeyeeye]

I can see where they're going with that discussion about women's expectations for men. A lot of men still see doing basic chores like cooking and cleaning as a "women's job," or they'll manipulate their partner/wife into making them do all of the chores (like that "weaponized incompetence" thing everyone was talking about a few months back). I would never reward my partner for doing the dishes with sex, but I've had only one partner in my life who can do the dishes, laundry, and cook for himself, and that's my current one. The baseline expectations for men are very low, and yet a lot of men still act like those expectations are too high for them.