Kawasaki Z900 Ownership Review | 5000 Miles

[@TheBikeFather]

Sorry guys. Z900 was a great bike, but it was time for a new adventure. Check out my latest video - Introducing My New Bike: Harley Davidson Sport Glide | First Look, Mods, Accessories & Sound: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGaolWWYeJuXd9U

[@Charlie-fc1mh]

That bike sounds awesome! Looks awesome too. If I were to buy one I think the first thing for me would be a puig touring windscreen. Next would be a tail tidy. That scorpion is awesome

[@lovelessissimo]

I have a bit over 12k miles on my 2021 z900. I love it. I bought it with 900 miles on it and it already had the full akra exhaust and power commander 5. As for other mods, I installed the Shad 3P side pannier racks, a rear fender eliminator, new levers, frame sliders, GB engine covers, a Dynojet quickshifter, Evo radiator cover, enlarged kickstand foot (thus was way better than i thought, because that stupid kickstand is impossible to find while on the bike), and bar end mirrors. I have ridden to every state in the western US on it. It's so good.

[@gianni3774]

For how much did you bought it bro?

[@lovelessissimo]

@@gianni3774 it was 9k.

[@drk7885]

@@lovelessissimo How’s the build quality? Heard it’s not up to the standard

[@lovelessissimo]

@drk7885 I guess that depends on what you mean by "the standard". I just finished another 1200 mile tour with my buddy who rode a Multistrada, and now after switching bikes a couple times, he is now looking to buy a sport naked.

[@lovelessissimo]

@drk7885 Honestly, the build quality is pretty good. Especially mechanically. Without rose colored glasses, its not perfect. It has some cheap plastics, the sloping seat pushes the tank into the buddies, it's kind of heavy, the kickstand is too short, and it really could use some stronger brakes. But the engine with a full akra exhaust sounds like an F1 car. It pulls from every gear, and it induces a smile every time you hammer the throttle in third. It's confidently planted in corners, and power wheelies out if you want. It's a great bike. All the complaints about it are that it's boring. Put an exhaust on it and I challenge you to say it's boring.

[@matejribic9090]

I am a beginner and Z900 is my first bike. Yes it is too powerful but I just put it in rain mode (55% power) for the most of the first year till I adjusted and now I don't need to upgrade as I just putt it on sport mode.

[@joryh3m3]

Thinking about starting with a z900 aswell

[@alexandercameron645]

Rider mode only bro. Your front end will bounce off the ground accelerating.

[@swegsley]

This is the way!

[@SultanKahnBey]

What I plan to do

[@luiz576]

Even in Rain Mode or Low and 3 KTC in Rider Mode it is a powerfull bike. I had a Z650 for two years , 68 PS, theoricaly the same a Z900 in Rain Mode. But definitively, I feel much more Power in the Rain Mode. Ride safe, everybody!

[@ericlunger8090]

That Alien mother windscreen is so sick. I had a 2019 900 absolutely great bike

[@TheBikeFather]

👊🤘

[@TrustyZ900]

Have a '22 black and blue Z900. Instead of an extended rack and topbox, I opted for the Hepco and Becker Sportrack that replaces the pillion seat with a turn of a key. Looks excellent and you can tie a 30 liter bag or box on it. I also installed a rotopax mount and put a 2 gallon rotopax fuel canister on it for long rides. Really increases surface area for a platform to strap things to. Take the fuel can off quickly when not in use. Can put back pillion seat in seconds.Doesn't ruin the look of the Z. Very happy with this jet.

[@rtg1018]

About the scratches on your TFT display, I have a Z650 with the same display. It is susceptible to scratching, but if you get yourself a bottle of Meguiar's PlastX clear plastic cleaner & polish, you can easily polish out most marks as long as they aren't deep scratches. The Kawasaki dealer scratched mine before delivery by being too forceful with their pre-delivery cleaning, and the Meguiar's PlastX cleaned that right up. Just use a very soft cotton cloth like a microfiber cloth and that should do the trick. I also use the PlastX on helmet visors, headlight lenses, etc. It's great stuff.

[@TheBikeFather]

Thanks. I’ll try that.

[@jefflambert8603]

Speedo Angels Screen Protector Works well Too

[@exothermal.sprocket]

People spend money to protect their mobile phone screen, but a motorcycle screen doesn't deserve a clear cover?

[@SquadraCorse]

@@TheBikeFather Another option would be "PolyWatch" (available on Amazon). It's a polish made for plastic watch faces. People also use it for VR headsets with plastic lenses. It works great to remove small scratches in plastic.

[@SomewhereInside]

You can use a chigee screen protector ( the CarPlay new product ) screen protector , put one on a Honda transalp it takes 3 min to clean screen and put the protector on .about $40 in Australia , cost of replacement screen if it gets damaged over $1500 AUD

[@mudhutproductions]

I am picking mine up in three days! I work at the dealership and got an amazing deal on a 2023 in Black Metallic Sparkle. I chose this machine over a variety of Ducati's on the other side of the showroom. The stats are great, Kawi handling is legendary and the engine is a bullet proof rock made of badassery. Been riding 40 years but I am new to the brand. After getting a new KLX300R I was impressed enough with the fit and finish to give them a try on the street. BTW, get yer hand back in the bar. You clip a rock or pothole in a turn one handed and . . . .

[@TheBikeFather]

nice .. ride safe 😎😎

[@JMang101]

How is it one yr later?

[@mudhutproductions]

@@JMang101 I love it even more than on the day I bought it. About 7k on the clock now. It's been rock solid dependable and never fails to put a smile on my face.

[@toddsegalpsychicdetectivea1578]

Thanks for the review. I have a 2021 and now 18k miles. I put some Pirelli touring tires on mine which do much better on wet and unstable pavement. I also had an upholstery guy add some foam to the seat. It was terribly uncomfortable. I replaced the exhaust to Akraprovic. So far, no complaints. 🙂

[@TheBikeFather]

Good stuff!

[@lovelessissimo]

Did you recover the seat, too? That's my biggest complaint, too.

[@toddsegalpsychicdetectivea1578]

@@lovelessissimo So, I ended up ordering from Kawasaki a new seat they call a comfort seat for taller riders. It has more cushion and is much better for my positioning. I highly recommend it.

[@lovelessissimo]

@@toddsegalpsychicdetectivea1578 have you flipped the rubber grommets under the seat? It prevents sliding into the tank. I didn't know about it until I had 15k on the bike. It has made it 100% better.

[@toddsegalpsychicdetectivea1578]

@@lovelessissimonever have.

[@johnny1559]

Down to earth review, like from a fair owner, no nonsense/ diplomacy. I love this video. How is riding Z900 on a long trip, say 400 km (appr. 186 miles), especially the pushback from wind? How are night rides on Z900?

[@TheBikeFather]

Not as comfortable as my new bike but it’s ok. You definitely want to replace the stock seat. Actually I never got the chance to ride it at night. Overall I loved the z900. Great bike.

[@SHOVELCARD]

nice video, I have done many mods to my 2020, but the best mod was the Luimoto gel seat. I did a 1400 mile trip last year, and it made a world of difference.

[@TheBikeFather]

Thanks. That's great.That's a lot of miles, even with a good seat. Did you do anything else to it , to make it more bearable for touring?

[@SHOVELCARD]

@@TheBikeFather I added the Puig touring windscreen, and bar risers

[@lovelessissimo]

@@TheBikeFather I did a 3k mile tour across all of the western states of the US. I used an air seat cover, and that was all for the touring mods. That and the Shad 3p racks and panniers.

[@TheBikeFather]

@@lovelessissimo Awesome..

[@vacateistheword]

​@@SHOVELCARD which bar risers did you add ? I'm contemplating adding them too. Ride safe 😊

[@MrJonesy]

Z900 is the best bang for buck. I’ve had for 4 years . She is THE BEST.

[@GuitarPrepper]

Buying my 4 bike ( 3rd kaw )Z900 can't wait!

[@juliemcgillivray3394]

I love the looks of your bike. The mods you've done are also excellent. Nice!

[@YAAQOV_JJ]

Haha, first bike for me … I even installed Akrapovic full system and tune it to 150hp 😅🚀

[@TheBikeFather]

👊🤘

[@McSlappin1]

If you don’t mind me asking how did you tune it? Anyone specific online do it? Was it a ecu flash to get that much extra horsepower

[@YAAQOV_JJ]

@@McSlappin1yes it was ECU flash, you will get wxtra hp when you change whole exhaust system and then flash it, bike and system need to understand that she has new parts installed … and then when tuning is done, they find new peak for performance 😎

[@themartiandefender2128]

Exhaust sounds good, I've only got the Scorpion slip on currently on my 50th Anniversary!

[@2WheelTalk]

Lovely bike! I really like the windscreen mod. Makes it look more aggressive. Love it

[@TheBikeFather]

Glad you like it!

[@bertje5386]

But does it do anything for wind deflection on highway speeds ?

[@markbodenham4317]

Very good video, i have a 2019 A2 derestricted model that still kicks out 95bhp, lowered the rear being a short arse, gel seat, raised bars, 2 more teeth on front sprocket, massive difference on top end with no difference to bottom end power and acceleration. Best bike ive ever ridden!!!!! Little bit of negative, next time a driver pulls to the left to let you by please acknowledge them with a raised hand, gives bikers a bad name if you dont.

[@TheBikeFather]

Thanks.

[@kochovmoto]

What did u use to lower the bike? Have you noticed changes in bike geometry after the lowering? Im a short arse too, looking to buy this bike. Also, can u provide a link of the gel seat? Thanks

[@UnnamedXur]

I hate when people say rather a bike a for beginning or not. Dude just know your self and your limits. You can start on anything you wish too. Take MSF and take it easy. This bike is controllable compared to the MT09. This is a great beginner bike. I would rather put a beginner on an Z900 rather than a 600CC super sport. Just take it easy.

[@Dannyboy31415]

I'm saying this very bluntly and intend no disrespect. You've not trained a beginner who's got little natural talent or is a little bit scared of the bike. Most people will have some apprehension the first time they ride. You don't want these kinds of riders on this sort of bike. I agree there's many riders who could start on a z900 but there's more who would struggle. We don't know who's going to read this so it's better not to tell everyone is doable.

[@Charlie-fc1mh]

I haven't been on a bike in over 50 years. I don't consider myself as a beginner. I was thinking about getting a liter bike, but I really don't need all the power. Now I'm holding off to see if the 2025 honda cb 1000 hornet 1000 will come to the US.

[@minc3]

Love the top box 😆 practicability yo. Just wonder if it creates unnecessary instability during ride?

[@TheBikeFather]

I never had any issues. Easy to take off when not needed.

[@minc3]

@@TheBikeFather thanks for confirming

[@АлексейЛогинов-ж1ц]

z900 2021 21500miles. So far so good, my main complaint is service costs. I service oil and filters every 3.7k miles, and change spark plugs each 7.5k miles. Bike does not feel good when trying to ride aggressively.

[@TheBikeFather]

❤️👍

[@gabrieltiso8537]

Why does it not feel good when riding aggressively? I watched a video where it appears the "slipper clutch" chatters pretty bad on hard down shifts..

[@WorksopGimp]

Im saving for one hopefully this Christmas if I'm a good boy and get my full licence 🤑

[@TheBikeFather]

Nice. Good luck and ride safe 😎👍

[@PJacksonMolyneux]

"don't tell my wife" ahaha that's amazing

[@deant6627]

@TheBikeFather I just pick up my new 23 Z900 and am loving it, I understand you sold yours however, would you remember if yours made a funny noise when you turned the ignition key off? Makes like an old printer like sound and goes for about 3sec. Just want to know if its normal? Cheers

[@TheBikeFather]

Hi. Nothing like that. in fact I should have some exhaust/startup videos and you can hear exactly how it sounds.

[@tomasjurman]

Hey, good one! Best review. 👍

[@TheBikeFather]

Glad you liked it!

[@rtg1018]

Another thing to mention is that I also have a Givi V47 top box for my Z650. The mounting bracket is obviously different and I also have a different mounting plate which is the GIVI M7 Monokey model. I have had no issues with any rattling or noise from my top box, and perhaps the reason is the different plate. You might try putting some adhesive tape backed foam padding on your plate and then put the box in place and see if the added tension from the padding helps with your rattle. Or perhaps look into that different plate model as a replacement.

[@TheBikeFather]

Good tip. I shall try that.

[@chrisdadigger1018]

Top sped on that motorcycle is 150 ish and it’s faster to 100 than supersports just from how it’s geared

[@motofairy]

It will be helpful. thank you for the good impression

[@Brookmanrider]

Hi mate how did you find the power this vs the street triple

[@TheBikeFather]

Hard to say. Power wise they are very similar, I think Street Triple has 118 hp vs 123 hp on z900, however, because the street triple is lighter , so it will feel more agile. But I felt like the street triple was tuned for mid-high end power, which meant I had to twist the throttle a lot more to get that power, whilst the z900 it was probably more on the lower end, so as soon as you twist the throttle, you feel the kick, so it's more responsive. At this price range I still find the Z900 a good all rounder. I don't like the looks of the street triple, but I do agree that it is lighter, probably more agile especially filtering through London, and probably using better quality parts, but of course, that comes at a cost, as it's more expensive than the z900.

[@kamranzahedi5977]

I loved this beast's handling and sound! I could lean it simply in the corners but you have to be careful! In the stops, the engine's heat was a little bit disturbing. Overall, Z900 is a good choice

[@WorksopGimp]

Stick to the speed limits you are very safe

[@kamranzahedi5977]

@@WorksopGimp you're right mate 🍻

[@rickmoderie4213]

What if you rode motorcycles regularly as a teenager, all types and sizes and then you had a 40 year hiatus from riding? Would the Z900 be a bike for that kind of rider? I am very impressed with everything about that bike.

[@TheBikeFather]

It depends how you’ll ride I guess. I’m assuming you’re more in your 20s or 30s since your 40 year break, so probably you’ll be a bit more mindful when riding, and won’t ride like a lunatic. So if you’re confident in your riding ability, then go for it. But only you can answer that

[@elevationmoto6208]

I have a 2023 Z900 SE. I am 57 years old, 5'9", 140 pounds. This bike is very easy to manage in every situation, and comfortable. I use it for commuting, running around town, and trips on the freeway. It is nimble and very quick. A degree of self control is vital, as it is very easy and exciting to reach high speeds.

[@SWTVENOM]

@@elevationmoto6208how do you feel about the bike after all this time?

[@elevationmoto6208]

@SWTVENOM I expect to enjoy the Z900 SE more after the CS Racing exhaust I ordered from Brazil (7 weeks ago) shows up and gives the bike a better sound. The stock seat is just OK, and I may put a Corbin seat on after the exhaust goes on and I get the ECU flashed. So, I feel a bit bummed out over having to wait for two expensive upgrades. But, the bike is exhilarating to ride as is. Fortunately, I also have a 2021 Z900 RS which is set up the way I want it. After I get the Z900 SE set up as I want, I expect to enjoy riding it just as much as the RS. The RS is more versatile, because it is easy to carry things on the bike.

[@SWTVENOM]

@@elevationmoto6208 actually comparing this to the RS SE to see if it’s worth stepping up to the RS version. I’m actually just getting my Motorcycle license and I know the RS SE may be overkill for a first bike but I don’t want to go thru many bikes. Just buy one and enjoy learning it and riding

[@donaldduck9424]

A really good video. I checked it out to get some help. I have a Z900 21 (cheap from my brother-in-law) and a Street RS 2022 and one of them has to go. I think I'll keep the street. Simply because the Z is a bit sluggish and less stable in comparison. Also amazingly enough the street is more convenient. The Z900 stretches you a bit more over the tank and the Z's knee angle is more taxing. As far as quality is concerned, the Triumph should also be mature as a 765

[@lovelessissimo]

I was considering the stripple. I didn't like how the power was way up in the rpms, and how little there us by way of pannier options. And price. Even so, I still think about them and wonder "what if".

[@donaldduck9424]

I prefer watching the way she spins. And she is more sexy for me. Have fun with your Z

[@willidevegt8831]

how is the comfort for the pillion ?

[@TheBikeFather]

Non-existent 😂😂😂 if you want pillion comfort, this is not the right bike.

[@willidevegt8831]

@@TheBikeFather alright thanks for the info sir

[@edsyfi1812]

When does one pass a beginner level? I have a z400 and riding 1 year now. Very comfortable with bike but a bit slow for me. I like the z model look and feel very comfortable for me. I believe this will do fine for me

[@TheBikeFather]

Good question! There is no fixed answer for anyone. It all depends on your riding style, and how comfortable you would be on a bigger bike, and when you're ready. I would say, go test ride one, and see how you feel. just be careful

[@konicekj1]

regarding the problem with POWER/KTRC error. I have the same problem. I discussed it with the importer's service here in the Czech Republic. they asked kawasaki for an explanation. answer - this is a safety measure that monitors the loss of information from the throthle. this will also happen when the engine is cold, the choke is open - approx. 2 minutes after starting the engine and during this time the throttle will turn in the opposite direction- beyond the idle position, just for few micrometers, e.g. when holding the handlebars and pushing the motorcycle forward. throttle reports invalid negative value which is evaluated as error. it's stupid but that's how the Japanese engineers designed it.

[@spokplumpen123]

Start, stop the bike 4 times and the light goes away..

[@nelsonvaz4165]

Can it be fixed ?

[@f.fadzil1747]

​@@spokplumpen123 stop how?

[@spokplumpen123]

@@f.fadzil1747 key

[@ccb7122]

Great video.

[@markkindness3295]

Have you looked at the chrome burner lux z900 seat ?

[@TheBikeFather]

No, I don’t think I came across that one. Is that what you have?

[@markkindness3295]

I’m looking at getting it. I have a z900 2021. Love what you’ve done to your bike. I love your mirrors an will get the same and also a scorpion exhaust. You have the same bike and are doing the mods I want, love your channel I follow with huge interest.

[@TheBikeFather]

Awesome. Thanks 😊

[@adrianvella7661]

Do you get a front end wobble when accelerating hard? Like the begining of a tank slapper?

[@TheBikeFather]

Not really, the only thing I notice is the traction control kicking in if I accelerate too hard , but no wobble.

[@adrianvella7661]

@@TheBikeFather could be the rear end needs more preload or the front tyre which is close to the TWI at 7000kms

[@peterfixit7221]

the top speed is around 240kph on flat ground, 90kg rider

[@f.fadzil1747]

I got 250kmh

[@colinrose8664]

Put some foam tape underneath the top box.

[@TheBikeFather]

Good tip. Thanks

[@kleinbottled79]

Top boxes. So very useful. So very ugly. I still love them. Side cases look so much better, however, lane splitting is top priority -- So top box it is.

[@TheBikeFather]

It’s a necessary evil 😂😂

[@johnnyd.8672]

Thank you for your very thorough review of the bike. I really appreciate it. Quick question, I think I missed what your specs are. I am 6'3" and 230 lbs. It's a little cramped for me in terms of my knees up against the gas tank. It's much better than the Z650. What do you think about this bike for a taller dude? (I know that it's all about personal fit, but I would like your opinion). Thanks again! Safe riding!

[@pimpinkin87]

I'm pretty much the same size wise as you and the z900 is perfectly fine. You sit more into the bike so naturally your knees are more tucked up against the tank but for me it adds a sense of security because you grip the tank better.

[@johnnyd.8672]

@@pimpinkin87 Yes, I hear what you are saying. I will just have to spend more time on the sales floor trying it out before I commit. Thank you for responding!

[@bladerunner360]

It's such a shame that they didn't put the dash from the z900 on the z1000

[@ZediMaster]

Wow, you're a big fella for a z900; don't you feel a bit cramp and uncomfortable? You made want to try a zx14 or a hayabusa, there're more your size. Another type of bike that can move top side mass is Harley's..., ride safe, god bless u.

[@tareq2015]

Hello .. From where you bought the mirrors? Can you send me a link. Thank you

[@TheBikeFather]

This is where I got mine. calsport.co.uk/mv-agusta-800-brutale-13-15-2015/rizoma/rizoma-reverse-radial-bar-end-mirror-black-other-colours-available-sold-individually-clamp-type-adapter-ma433-required/bs232b Bear in mind you'll need two. Plus you'll need the bar ends. These are the ones I got: www.pro-bolt.com/aluminium-bar-ends-kawasaki-10-pair-m8x35mm-bolts/

[@octaviodiokno4667]

loud pipe save's life

[@johnparty3786]

watch your video is like playing RIDE 4 in Forza Horizon 4 map man HPNY btw

[@TheBikeFather]

Thanks. Happy New Year to you too! 👍

[@russelllroni]

Top speed of my 2023 Z900 is 155mph. I've tested it. Confirmed 155mph. 😁

[@TheBikeFather]

😎👍

[@hooksettito4120]

Why the engine light on

[@TheBikeFather]

I meant to create another video on this, but I never got the chance. Basically now and again, especially when I would wash the bike, for whatever reason it would mess with a certain sensor on the bike. So the engine light would come on, with a certain error. Nothing to worry about, normally goes over time, but the traction control wouldn't work whilst this light is on. so there is a certain procedure, sequence you can follow to speed up the reset of that sensor. I can't remember exactly, but I know it was a very common problem. 1. I would need to turn on the bike and leave it idle for at least 1-2 mins I think. 2. then I would need to ride at least 30-40mph for 10-15 mins. - with no stops, so make sure you find a motorway or something. 3. Then I would stop, turn of the engine, wait about a minute - and then start with Step 1 again. 4. You would do this steps 1,2,3, I think 3 times, and then the engine light would go off and everything would go back to normal. It's annoying, but it didn't happen too often.. maybe twice in 6 months period.

[@curtisburrell8122]

So what brand of windscreen is on it?

[@TheBikeFather]

this one is the original Kawasaki tall screen

[@octaviodiokno4667]

awesome bike

[@syahirnordin2250]

I wish someday i had 1 😢

[@albertodanioni6504]

The sound is amazing, but I thought in UK police is looking into this when they check you. Isn’t a full decat exhaust system a bit “illegal” ? In Italy you do that at your own risk

[@TheBikeFather]

I think UK is one of the the fewer countries that is more lenient when it comes to motorbike noise. Never had any issues, even standing next to a police car. But of course, the moment we jump into France, everyone fits a db killer.

[@helgejohan3604]

Duke 390 or Mt 07 better first bike ✊🔥

[@TheBikeFather]

I would go with the smaller one. Simply because it’s probably cheaper, the insurance will be cheaper, and still plenty of power - max speed is around 110mph. You’ll never need that much, but just proves it’s more than capable of doing motorway speeds.

[@kablammy7]

I have a 2019 and a 2020 Z900 and each of them I get top speed of 145 MPH .

[@regal_7877]

I'm an absolute beginner, I've been riding a 150cc cubby Honda RS-X for only about 6 months now and I plan to get this bike sometime next year. So by then I would've had around 1.5 years on a simple 150cc bike. I know this will not be a good bike for me with my experience level, but my financial situation tells me to get a bigger, more powerful bike now instead of having to spend more money and upgrade again later. As it is, I've already outgrown the measly power of my 150 bike. feels kind of sluggish and not very comfortable to ride on highways. I'll just get the bike and take it slow, take my time to learn and get used to it. I'm guessing that should be fine.

[@TheBikeFather]

It's up to you . but I would probably suggest for going for the 650 model. it's cheaper to start with and easier to handle. and still a proper big bike. not to mention that smaller engine, cheaper insurance. And after a few more years, once you ready, you can always part exchange for a z900. Ride safe.

[@regal_7877]

@@TheBikeFather makes sense too. I've had the opportunity to ride the z650 and it's was actually quite manageable for me, and much more powerful and comfortable than my current bike. I might consider the z650 too tbh

[@AjarnSpencer]

A street naked with a giant shopping baggage pack on the tail? wow. Now that looks like a barracuda with a parachute on its tail.

[@TheBikeFather]

😂😂 I know. Wasn’t a fan of the looks either.

[@bopeeee]

160 Mph 125cv stock, stage2 135cv

[@sebastianlaabak4657]

a new one in norway costs 17800

[@TheBikeFather]

oh wow. thats expensive.

[@alangriff1]

Minor issuescagter eashing it , but you dhouldnt have to go through that rigmarole to fox the error code..disappointing.

[@davidbaird6996]

I have one 2021 some michine

[@avalanx]

Everyone sells their z900 after a short time frame. Hmmm, perhaps it is a bit soulless?

[@TheBikeFather]

I had plenty of fun. The only reason I sold is because I changed to a different bike style, a cruiser. Depends what you prefer to be honest.

[@Nate-he6tg]

My z 900 2023 eats back tires like it's nothing

[@Kawasaki10rr]

CBR500r isn't a big bike, it's a beginner bike

[@TheBikeFather]

Sure. if you say so.

[@Kawasaki10rr]

@TheBikeFather it is tho. It's a small parallel twin engine bike, it's not an opinion it's a fact. The Ninja 400 has almost the exact same hp and torque and it's a beginner bike, therefore the cbr500r is a beginner bike.

[@TheBikeFather]

@BlueSuns1 😂😂 why? just because it's not 600cc or 1000cc? They weight exactly the same as bigger CC bikes, and in fact, the parallel twin engines on these 500cc bikes are tuned for lower end power, which means, by the time you accelerate on a 1000c inline 4, the 500cc bike is long gone.. Sure, you'll catch up. and you'll do 150-200 miles per hour or whatever, but on the roads, you won't need more than 70 miles per hour. So the 500cc bike I had was more than capable to keep up with all the other bikes. In fact the top speed on a CBR500R is around 110miles per hour. More than you'll ever need. Is it a beginner’s bike? Yes definitely, a very good beginners bike, but also a big bike. My current bike is 1745cc and can also do 110mph, no more than this. Does that mean it’s not a big bike? What makes a big bike? The cc , the weight, the speed?

[@Kawasaki10rr]

@TheBikeFather big bikes are mainly called that because of the cc and how much power they put out, it never has to with the physical size of the bike. A cbr500r is a small beginner bike, it only has like 40hp and 30lb-ft of torque

[@TheBikeFather]

@@Kawasaki10rr what you're saying is very subjective, unless you specifically invented the term "big bike" and set clear rules of why they are called that. I've already proved in my previous comment that the CC is irrelevant, because the CBR500R with a 500cc engine can go as fast as my harley which is 1745cc. anyway. we'll agree to disagree. That's your opinion, this is my opinion. let's leave it at that. I would understand if we were debating a 125 who can't even do the speed limit, or maybe a 300cc who can just about do the speed limit fo 70mph, but come on.. the cbr500r can do 116mph. More than you'll need on roads. so as far as I'm concerned, this is a great BIG beginners bike :) But as I said, you're entitled to your opinion and I respect that.

[@twotone3426]

Nice bike BUT people destroy their nice bikes by installing these hideous top boxes that look absolutely ridiculous... reminds me of pizza delivery... Put side cases for God sakes!

[@exothermal.sprocket]

When someone is riding a motorcycle, their own body towers over any box mounted.

[@twotone3426]

@@exothermal.sprocket You completely miss the point of my comment. The side profile is the most ugly looking part with a huge top box... looks stupid. Get side cases as they blend in better and more aesthetically pleasing. I get the benefits and function of a top box but looks are looks... a sombrero is a very effective and functional hat to keep the sun off my face, doesn't mean I would wear it.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@twotone3426 You made a point that is by nature very subjective, and that's fine, you've every right to do that and I understood it from that perspective. I made a counterpoint that is more of a functional nature. Side cases have some downsides as well, those being increasing drag profile and reducing fuel economy for long trips which is what bags are designed to be used for in the first place. Also there's a lack of passenger function in most cases. Aesthetics don't much matter when you're out of a city riding solo and you're the one driving. Who cares what other people think if something is working well for your needs. I've run a long distance ride once, 4500 miles on 2nd gen modified FZ1. Would love to do something like that again sometime. I personally hate the effect of gear hanging on the bike, taking up seating room and changing the weight balance of the bike. I wish there were more options for mono-wheel trailers than there is. I only know of two "companies" making them, one who is basically a freelance single man operation and another which seems more aesthetic and less functional than the former. The idea of having good/plenty of space, having that thing low profile, low CG weight, trailing behind in the slip stream, and barely affecting handling at all is cool; pull a pin and let it sit at a campsite while you're off ripping up good roads without all the gear and mess affecting balance. Or use it to haul firewood, or use it for extra fuel and water, or use it for waterproofs and extra tent/camping amenities whatever. All that weight hanging high and rearward on a bike just messes up the handling and increases drag.

[@MrFoxfire510]

@@exothermal.sprocket I did not read your entire comment but will say that in my experience with my previous 2017 yamaha fj09 that the top case which was about 40 liters in size or bigger, caused more air turbulence and fuel efficiency cost than having 2 hard side bags that were about 22 liters each. With the top case and only 1 person on the bike there is a gap between the rider and the top cause causing air to run there and be turbulent. Then I tried with just the hard side bags on and it was a much more noticeably smoother ride.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@MrFoxfire510 Yeah I'd say it's a combination of weight and air stream issues. The worst place for weight is high and as far away from the CG of the bike as possible, and the top box can be both. Side cases are lower and more forward, regardless of total air drag. I'd rather run a mono-wheel trailer like a SherpaX or similar.

[@Wildrose27]

Using a local upholster to upgrade your seat is a fantastic idea!

[@TheBikeFather]

👊🤘

[@lovelessissimo]

154 mph.

[@TheBikeFather]

Nice

[@blackbirdxx4613]

The top box really bikes the bike look horrible 😂

[@TheBikeFather]

I know

[@padericktheirishman8613]

The 500 is not a big bike….

[@TheBikeFather]

😂😂 why? just because it's not 600cc or 1000cc? They weight exactly the same as bigger CC bikes, and in fact, the parallel twin engines on these 500cc bikes are tuned for lower end power, which means, by the time you accelerate on a 1000c inline 4, the 500cc bike is long gone.. Sure, you'll catch up. and you'll do 150-200 miles per hour or whatever, but on the roads, you won't need more than 70 miles per hour. So the 500cc bike I had was more than capable to keep up with all the other bikes. In fact the top speed on a CBR500R is around 110miles per hour. More than you'll ever need.

[@carstenhansen5757]

Yes, it is a beginners bike, IF YOU HAVE THE BRAINS AND MATURITY. Not for a early tweenty year old kid, that thinks he is immortal. But if you're 30+ and fairly mature/not to stupid, you can start on this.

[@mikemelvin365]

Thinking about getting one as my first bike. I agree

[@lovelessissimo]

​@Dang Ole honestly, don't get this as a first bike. Get something used, light, and easy to fix yourself. It will get dropped, and it will get damage. Buy someone else's first bike. Like a 400cc. You will become a better rider, I promise.

[@frankstocker5475]

This bike can be a first bike but it will most likely be the last.

[@gianni3774]

​@@frankstocker5475 why?

[@manduloykts179]

@@lovelessissimo that’s a waste of time and money I’d rather get a bike I know I’m gonna keep for 5 years plus why get a 400cc only to sell it within a year?

[@Craig52-zq1bt]

Hey, buddy, you are on the wrong side of the road!