FNAF Ruin: It's just a different game

[@polybius8571]

5:36 EXACTLY. I still remember the first time I played Help Wanted, and turning around in the lobby to see the empty pizzeria expecting to see something staring back. And there wasn’t. Until Glitchtrap just appears one time

[@LukeyBoyAndTheCatlings]

Ruin feels like a fnaf themed dead space to me.

[@brenden1477]

That Cassie “I’m watching you” to MXES animation was adorable 😂

[@EMan-jj1ef]

I find this discourse funny, because I found a lot of fnaf’s charm to come from its retro-animatronic pizzeria arcade aesthetic, so neither security breach nor ruin appealed to me. I mostly enjoy when the series delved into the uncanny valley that many an old-school animatronic occupies.

[@starlepus9437]

tbf "the entity" was never really what id call a villain. more of just a security system that happens to be going against you

[@Alkeeros]

But is an antagonist. He may have used the wrong word, but it's the main opposing force you have to contend with. And it does seem really easy to outsmart. More of an annoyance than a challenge

[@syntheticaura]

thank you for this!! i could never put my finger on why i loved security breach but ruin was so underwhelming, you really put into words a lot of places that it's legitimately weaker as a product for people who actually liked security breach. also - i keep seeing people in your comments seemingly, like, hurt that you said you preferred Roxy's characterization in SB to ruin. i think it's a really significant point that it feels completely ooc for her to suddenly be super nurturing and soft and sweet, and that it takes value away from both her and Freddy's previous characterization for her to suddenly be just like him. i do think there's an interesting idea to be explored that maybe she plays favorites with children, and cassie is one of those favorites, but it's hard to tell if that was the, like, intention behind it when they made that choice, or if they just saw that people loved her and decided to make her all mommy-coded. someone here in the comments said her loving side could've been more like a cool older sister situation, and i agree that would've suited her "uncorrupted side" a lot more than just completely softening her. she's not the same Roxy that everyone claims they fell in love with, and there could be in-universe explanations for that but i think it's pretty, like, biased to not acknowledge it.

[@Sin_Official_Faith]

I will say tho The blob/Tangle existing does give evidence of all the endings have reality meaning although the endings themselves are all comics made by a child, inspiration for said stories do come from somewhere. And if the Blob/Tangle exists I'm sure burnt trap exists in someway as well.

[@DandysworldFan20]

19:39 reason why Roxy was all friendly well theory if you don’t like this it’s fine well when we enter foxy log ride Roxy graps us and screams at us to give her eye back, then Cassie said let me go and then Roxy realize it was Cassie along so she stops and then roxy now says error so that’s how she went safe mode

[@discox8967]

I feel like a lot of the issues can be tied back to aiming a horror game more at a younger and marketable audience. E.g. the environment is laid out more like a ghost train/haunted house ride where you know where to expect the scares but a kid who hasn't learned how horror buildups work might still be scared.

[@akramirez]

Pleasantly surprised at the lack of death threats and gore in response to someone daring to not like this game very much

[@someonerandom8511]

For your problem with the comics retconing burntrap's entire existence, and why there's a station even further down, I think there's a reason for both. I think burntrap did exist, and that Gregory saw it. The room just outside the mimic's walled off room has a freddy backpack with Gregory's name on it, meaning he's been down there. My theory is that after freeing Vanessa, she knew something about burntrap and she and Gregory went down there, found Mimic as burntrap, and moved him even deeper to seal him behind concrete (the mimic might've just changed costume or something idk). They're also potentially the ones who set up the M.X.E.S program, as at least Gregory can hack, due to him being patient 42 or whatever the number was. Edit: as for the Roxy personality shift, I think it's only because it's Cassie, as they had some sort of unspecified bonding moment during her birthday party. I don't know what Cassie did that was special, but Roxy remembered it well and positively. As for the safe mode thing, I was always under the assumption that freddy booting into safe mode just made him safe from the glitchtrap virus, and the glitchtrap virus possibly makes their worst traits worse (Roxy became meaner and less confident, Monty became angrier and more destructive, and Chica became so much of a glutton that she eats just actual trash). If this assumption is correct, than Roxy at the very least would be a bit nicer. This, combined with her liking Cassie, could be what results in her acting differently. Edit 2: to clarify, I do wish there were more scenes with Roxy acting like security breach roxy, but that one scene in the salon where she cries then yells at Gregory before running after him was basically it. And maybe that Roxy scene where she was nice to Cassie could've been a bit different to connect better with how she acted in security breach. Also as a side note, her being mean is a facade to cover up her own insecurity, so it's possible she just didn't want to use that cover around Cassie, for whatever reason. This could also explain the personality shift, but again I think it could've been connected better. Maybe instead of her randomly being trapped under a forklift, she's sitting somewhere crying when Cassie approaches. Her being under a forklift didn't add anything anyway, as Roxy can't see Cassie attempting to reboot her anyway and it also removes a minor issue of how she got out from under it to save Cassie from the mimic.

[@ukaszwalczak1154]

The Mimic and Burntrap literally can't be each other.

[@ooliverplays3701]

@@ukaszwalczak1154 yeah its impossible. Even if they were the same person Gregory would've died if they tried to move a walking murderer

[@seijiren5115]

It just the fact that you can like something even if many considered it bad or mid. Internet shaped us into thinking that quality of something is truly objective and had to be put on the score bars. in reality, you just like what hit your personal taste

[@tpfoxCastro]

"I enjoyed Security Breach more than any other fnaf game" When the least fnaf game of all fnaf games (except world) is your favorite, makes sense the more fnaf game like dlc is less enjoyable to you.

[@Mr.Starlight_gaming]

I just dont think bro likes scary stuff

[@princedonovaughn1182]

Eh. I like fnaf in general and still prefer security breach asthetic and characterwise. It had alot of promise that it didn't live up to. And I mean security breach despite its flaws became a major hit for fnaf,so someone preferring security breach isn't wild.

[@BabobsArchive]

10:28 dream jumpscare

[@fonejunky6306]

7:50 E. Gadd jumpscare

[@JimBimBum]

we can already use ai to copy voices fnaf can't be sci-fi in an age that transparent aluminum, fusion reactors and ai all exist. we are in the beginning of the future and the day we already have real technology once seen as fiction like star trek's transparent aluminum. Sci-fi will never seem sci-fi anymore.

[@Cyanidedan]

Very interesting video, always cool to see other's point of view

[@robxholicfoxyfan8552]

Remember, Cassie's dad likes Bonnie. He was down there. Even in Ruin, collectables hint at his disappearance. And Mask Bot has an unusual flesh color when wearing the mask for the first time. Yes, Help Wanted 2 came later but after this year of Ruin being we now know the pieces we got in Ruin are doubly confirmed in HW2. Not just because Cassie's dad likes bonnie and is the Bonnie bully from Fredbear's, but because of the rabbit ears on Mask Bot specifically. At least we know Mask Bot is related to something rabbit related. And if MXES is a good guy technically, and Bonnie is decommissioned (and was cut from having what wound up as Eclipse's dialogue) and Maskbot is forced open with ears as a symbolic gesture giving the only other rabbit mask to Bonnie Bully's daughter, while HELPI with yellow eyes is the Mimic program, then I think that the only bad rabbits in the Pizzaplex era are from the Mimic program with Afton influence. Of course, MXES could actually be a Mimic Program of his own, as he adapts and is cold and technical to keep the Mimic at bay, but is programed like Glamdad and the others before the Glitchtrap version of the Mimic program interfered with the Glamrock's own programming to be generally good.

[@WitchHunterSiegfried]

5:00 I remember that with the Half Life Echoes mod of all things, there was a moment with an enemy called "Mr Friendly", the cut rape monster (no really) from the original Half Life, but the issue is that I got lost and he never showed up in the sequence so it lost all tension once I figured out I was in no danger from him.

[@ggamer99999]

I glitched the game in my last playthrough and the night mode I found was fantastic should have been base game

[@mintysketch9053]

I agree with you on so many points in this video ha ha. Ngl I love the whole "normal place turned creepy" and the original security breach was pretty close to it, Ruin felt like it tried too hard IMO. >< And yea, Roxy should have felt like the big sister that seems angry and annoyed to have to help you but actually really cares - they needed more time with her for that tho.

[@dogninja0180]

Wait how tf is security breaches mall “creepy”? It’s just a mall lol

[@mintysketch9053]

@@dogninja0180 It's a huge place, usually filled with people that's now uncharacteristically empty. I think that could be plenty creepy. >

[@ukaszwalczak1154]

@@dogninja0180 Imagine you're in a building at night, noone's there, it's just you. Or is it? No, it's just you, but is it REALLY just you in there, that's why a mall can be creepy, a place filled with people during the day, but empty during the night, can feel supernatural, as if something is watching you.

[@dogninja0180]

@@ukaszwalczak1154 it’s not really ever gave me that vibe since everything is still up and running and pretty much nothing is shut down, if the mall was more desolate then yeah that eeriness could work but it doesn’t, in fact the parts where Freddy isn’t involved (daycare section and endos) are probably the only actual creepy parts of the game to me because you are truly alone and the mall feels shut down

[@mintysketch9053]

@@ukaszwalczak1154 That's exactly what I meant!!! Thank you for explaining it so well.

[@DryCombee]

Is it just me or does it look like Cassie is just flipping the viewer off? Its still kinda funny tho. 14:25

[@ToaArcan]

I kinda disagree with the idea that the Mimic is a narrative improvement over Burntrap existing and also being Afton. For better or worse, Afton _is_ the main villain of FNaF, and the other villains are either connected strongly to him (Baby) or blatantly just William A Bit To The Right (Vanny, the Mimic). It's like watching the Mario series try to replace Bowser and also failing at it. Him being a cockroach isn't a bad thing. His catchphrase is "I always come back", except now actually he only did that twice and then he dies for good and is replaced by WilliamGPT? This is the _better_ version? The Mimic isn't particularly scary, he's just there in the game, and in the books he's horribly overexplained. The one piece of advice I always see thrown around is "Avoid showing the monster as much as possible if you actually want it to be scary", and this is something FNaF did really well in _exclusively_ FNaF 1, kinda good in FNaF 3, and pretty terribly everywhere else, but writing a bunch of book stories where they overexplain the monster, removing all the fear of the unknown from it _before it ever shows up in a game_ really takes the cake. Now it's not "What the fuck is that thing, oh shit", it's "Oh it's the copycat robot that kills people because it's programmed to rip off heads, and also because it's copying William Afton, and also because it has PTSD Goo inside it." And design-wise it's just completely sauceless. To give the books their credit, they were onto something. They had it slowly evolving into Burntrap, and it could also transform into a horrible metal spider. Great, that works well enough. What we get in the game is... a bare endo with an abscess on its cheek and a Karen haircut. Ooh, terrifying. I think the Mimic would've been universally rejected as a replacement if people weren't determined to keep the FNaF6 ending as significant as possible. But as hard as Henry's speech goes... honestly I'm not really wowed by it any more. Think about it for five seconds, and what happens is that Henry, a character from the books who is never mentioned to exist in the games before that point, suddenly shows up. However, this does not make those books part of the game timeline, because book!Henry is dead. He then reveals that SAVE HIM Kid/The Puppet is actually also Charlie from the books. This could maybe tie into the real Charlie being dead and the book protagonist being a robot, but IIRC the Puppet wasn't in the books either. Then he sets the building on fire to kill everyone, even though Springtrap and the Puppet already survived the FNaF3 fire. There's a hidden tape elsewhere in the game that says fire kills Ghost Goo, but like, since when? Because not only does the FNaF3 fire not kill Billy the Murder Furry and Charlie, it also doesn't liberate the souls unless you get the good ending. Which MoltenMCI (which is probably true) implies didn't happen. So that's _seven_ previously fireproof souls that are suddenly not fireproof. And then the entire surviving cast of the games dies because this not-dead dead guy from a different continuity suddenly popped up to killsteal.

[@Alkeeros]

William, to me, is boring at this point. The new era could have easily just forgotten about the old one, had Freddy's exist and grow without murders hanging over them, and then BAM, new murders. We're back here again with a different villain. (Note, we'd still have merch of the old animatronics. They're classics! They just aren't haunted) Maybe they try to act like William, but after a few games- no, it's someone with a different goal or something, and was only trying to make it seem like William's ghost is back to throw people off their trail To me, either everyone from FNAF 6 should be dead and stay dead (the way more satisfying route) or everyone from 6 should all be alive. They emerge from the rubble and look at each other and go "guess we'll try to kill each other in another 20 years. See you all at the picnic. Baby, you're still bringing the ice cream, right? Cool. Cool cool. Hey, Mike, uh... can I borrow a ride?" Which to me is why Glitchtrap fell flat. He felt like that second one. Just a retread of the same story. Bowser works because Mario games have no plot, no character motivation. "Good guy tries to save good girl from bad turtle." But if FNAF wants story depth, it can't just keep bringing out Willy and being like,"we tricked this old man 6 games ago. He wasn't scary in 3. He wasn't scary in 6, and he's a relic of a bygone era."

[@princedonovaughn1182]

There's also just the fact everything Mimic does we've seen before and done better. Mimic feels like a poor man's Enard

[@ToaArcan]

@@princedonovaughn1182 He's absolutely a poor man's Ennard. Ennard looked goofy as hell (he's a humanoid pile of metal spaghetti with a clown mask), but his role in SL's story is actually really good and makes him plenty menacing. He got absolutely screwed so Cawthon could bring Baby back for Pizza Sim, and he didn't do _her_ justice either.

[@Greyscale_Bricks]

Burn trap in the thumbnail makes so much sense

[@airtoumfake]

Your edits are really funny. The edits at 12:00 and 22:56 make me laugh

[@juanokug4]

6:53 genuinely caught me off guard, laughed my ass off. great stuff

[@Nickyd.]

9:34 ok what the hell is the music? I was getting ready for windfall island dude

[@techtor6928]

it sounds like mask by dream D:

[@tpfoxCastro]

Bro is suprised Roxy doesn't want to kill this random child after she's not infected with the Glitchtrap virus? Like, what? If you're not Gregory, then Roxy is chill with you.

[@meowwum]

cassie is a guest and the animatronics arent able to hurt guests, plus gregory was the one who "ruined" roxy by taking her eyes and beauty. cassie is just a girl who had no friends come to her birthday party at the mega pizzaplex, theres no reason roxy would hate her.

[@lpfan4491]

Tbh, I am one of the few who never had a big issue believing her characterization specifically BECAUSE it is so obvious how we are supposed to read it. The animatronics were supposedly never violent towards people and Ruin just proves that point because she straight up didn't even intend to harm Gregory either. She thought Cassie was him and had her right there, but she only yelled at her demanding for the eyes to be returned. I wouldn't call that "vengeful killer"-behavior.

[@honestlyidkmyself-r3s]

I think what ruins it (lol) is the fact that prior to this moment - Roxy would still act like any animatronic and cause a game over if she catches Cassie. Even if she screamed and tried to fight back. So seeing Roxy suddenly do 180 in this one specific point of the game causes confusion

[@lpfan4491]

@@honestlyidkmyself-r3s It is fairly clear that the security system ordered her attack.

[@honestlyidkmyself-r3s]

@lpfan4491 not as clear if people are getting confused xd

[@myri_the_weirdo]

I just don't get it Why do you wanna stay?

[@ender01o66]

15:26 Funko Fusion moment

[@celestialwaffle1491]

I think it says a lot that Security Breach lasted for this long, and people have already stopped caring about Ruin. Also I love these videos man, that Family Fude bit was gold.

[@techtor6928]

16:54 i'd love a video on that

[@IronCrawdady]

The story was trash, i'll be honest. It feels like most of the "mysterious" are there to distract the community until they get make something passable.

[@Porter2o7]

Yea

[@Sakachi18]

THANK YOU. OH MY GOD. I have been saying since day 1 that Ruin was worse than SB. SB was at least fun and tried to do something big. But Ruin was just like thr Nightmare animatronics. Not scary because they tried too hard to be scary. Ruin took away all your freedom and the fun of exploration and your ability to save whenever you wanted. There was never any threat. It just sucked.😂 I loved SB. I hated Ruin. Putting you on rails and having an even worse story with even more vague telling is bad.

[@souptoonart]

what if they deleted security breach and released a better security breach

[@larsthememelord3383]

I miss the supernatural aspects of fnaf now they are all just AI like in the past we had the mystery of the puppet and golden freddy. but now they are all just sentient machines and even the possesed animatronics were only arguably sentient. it seems like they are moving away from souls and ghosts and implicit murder incidents into AI to make the series more kid friendly.

[@tessfabled4115]

I'm not sure if it's due to trying to make it kid-friendly or the fact Scott is very much into sci-fi haha.

[@larsthememelord3383]

@ its probably due to trying to make the series kid friendly since only now that scott is less involved in the games are they moving towards the sci-fi route

[@gaminganimators7000]

​@@larsthememelord3383 Scott still makes the lore, he made the sci-fi aspect of the story. Steelwool are just making the games, that's it.

[@sammyjaohnson5631]

I like ruin a nice neat free dlc just to show what happened after and lead into new games

[@oneroushorse]

I remember when I was playing through ruin and every time I heard that annoying af MXES sound I would take off the mask and then go to the bathroom or get a snack and then come back (btw I feel the need to mention that I didn’t die a single time until the mini wind-up music men Bonnie bowl section) (I perfer security breach and map bot scared me more than the entirety of Ruin)

[@Hes_ascary_bear]

I think ruin is just a improvement for security breach in my opinion I didn't injoy it that much

[@Glampanda15]

Omg, I thought I was the only one who didn’t enjoy Ruin as much as I enjoyed security breach

[@malachimccarty6270]

Yeah I hated Ruin. I hated it because it was too scripted and too ungodly easy, like my least favorite game Sister Location. I also hated that Vanny was still not as important as she should.

[@zanish4404]

Important as in?

[@malachimccarty6270]

@@zanish4404 Important as in that Vanny the character wasn't given any spotlight

[@zanish4404]

@malachimccarty6270 It was implied that vanny did have a role but not cleanly stated. The missing children she murdered are in the wet floor bots like their souls are in them. But ya, even if it was not enough for her but I'm sure that there will be a new vanny, I'm talking about vanessa by the way she is permed free, so that means that somehow there will be more to all this and involve vanny again in some way or another for a new host, other than that I don't see any other reason for her. Burntrap was never even present like at all. Tangle (the blob) was there for a millisecond so ya their is nothing I can say to that.

[@LepidopteranLiliumoth]

Sovl vs Sovlless

[@shadowbowser5674]

You like Roxy being egotistical but not as a motherly figure? That's actually weird to hear but okay, for many others it's pretty much the other way around.

[@Mr.Starlight_gaming]

Its called bad taste

[@yawningabyss681]

L

[@Greenshirtguyidk]

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