Keeley Dark Side - TRS Insert Explained

[@mattcollins7098]

I'm learning electrical engineering and this video helped me pass a theory test! True story!

[@mattgilbert7347]

Do tell!

[@Kokopellli]

Hello guys, it would be great to have v3 with modulation and delay sections separated, it would be great to use these sections at the same time

[@Deebool]

Thanks you guys : awesome sounds here!!! For some reason it took me some time to figure out the wiring (I think because of the two units and maybe because english is not my native language). So for the record and any one wondering like me : the guitar is plugged in the right unit then goes to the left one in the TRS insert "ring" (red jack). The "out" wired to the "in" by a patch cable and the "tip" of the insert to the amp...

[@feelscrew9227]

Ideally, where would you run the dark side with other pedals? It includes things that I would like on the start of my chain and also the beginning

[@stillnessinmovement]

I put mine in loop, after my fuzz but before my digital delay. generally, fuzz-mod-delay. sometimes mod-fuzz-delay. with the new dark side, it's got a button to push to switch order.

[@trevordeke]

Robert, you got to put this on a footswitch! Or a toggle. Sounds amazing!

[@philspill6854]

Keeley is King!! Genius

[@cadenceangel]

I own the "Monterey" and the "30ms Automatic Double Tracker " and both are excellent. Question. Why wasn t the modulation section on the Dark Side made with the ability to run the Delay along with ex: the Flange or U-vibe?? The Multi-Head emulator on the Dark Side sounds absolutely incredible (I know I can run my own Flange etc....but the Dark Side Mods sound great) How cool would it have been to be able to run the Delay with the other "selected" mods?? Gilmour is known for his awesome tone and his Superb use of delay. The pedal sounds great, just an opportunity missed to take a great sounding pedal deeper into the "Dark Side."

[@stillnessinmovement]

I think the DSP is kept busy with any one of the mod. a lot of pedals will multi task the DSP, getting multiple effects but you lose sound quality. putting a 3rd footswich, another DSP. would put it out of the pricepoint for footpedals like this. I put a MXR carbon copy in the path.

[@patrickcarroll1754]

Robert, you are more than a genius. You’re a visionary.

[@strangequark420]

You're a monster genius, Mr. Keeley.

[@jamesf5963]

Robert Keeley...mad genius

[@BogeyDopeYT]

Is it true that you can’t use modulation and delay at the same time?

[@fredmanteghian5913]

My Dark Side lacks the insert jack. Does it predate the 4 jack version? Or is the 3 jack version the most recent version ? Easily one of favourite pedals ever!

[@mattgilbert7347]

You have a V2. It has an order button instead.

[@fredmanteghian5913]

Matt Gilbert thank you!

[@mattgilbert7347]

@@fredmanteghian5913 Velkommen!

[@MrJackrockerman]

Robert Keeley = mighty man 👍. thank God 🙏

[@michaeltaylors2456]

Omg the " umble honk is strong ! amazing pedal too!

[@jeffrobodeenyehcmon5925]

I didn't get a Y splitter cable with mine. What size should I get?

[@jamesfalconi8533]

I need one of these so bad, sounds unreal!

[@javierf55]

This is really a great pedal, the rest of the effects you need are in the Hotrod Deluxe. One looper plus a expression pedal and you are set.

[@ragingchimera8021]

Love the sound of this pedal but combined as it is I can't think of an ideal place for it on my board because it would replace one effect currently in front and one currently in the loop and getting full use out of it live without more foot controls and an expression pedal seems challenging, seems like a bedroom player or studio pedal. Love your pedals but your desire to combine them into multi-effect "workstations" is often puzzling to me at times. I do enough tap dancing, don't need to add switch fiddling to the mix.

[@kenmasters007]

So why did they make V2 without the TRS inserts?

[@gtarmanperson]

Gorgeous sounding pedal

[@timelapseparanormal5097]

Where would be the best place to utilize this on a pedalboard

[@jorgetenamusic]

Keeley always great!!

[@jimmuller]

I'm still a little confused on what the TRS hooks into? I see that you can insert your own pedal which I understand. However is there another mode to connect it in? I see the input and output connections are the same with the TRS attached so I'm wondering what the TRS is attached to if not a pedal?

[@Auxend]

I think it's just used as a hack to switch patch routing - the pedal I just got comes with a button to swtich the order so it looks like this is only needed for V1 pedals

[@jimbob7332]

would you suggest running two of these pedals? to have all of the effects available with out having to switch the settings?

[@adamfischer7638]

I wonder if there is anyway of getting creative with a loop switcher that would allow you to rig it up so that you could switch between Fuzz->Mod and Mod->Fuzz without unplugging/replugging. . . Is that possible, or is the only option to run two of these?

[@RobertKeeleyTV]

I think that's a great idea! A loop switcher would be perfect!

[@mattgilbert7347]

This is what I am thinking. An ES-5 or Es-8 would be the ultimate choice because it can re-order loops and/or run them in parallel or, if you have the ES-8, Stereo or wet/dry :) :)

[@roncoleman2535]

Well Mr. Keeley, it's been two years since your above post. Have you either incorporated the loop switch or maybe just reversed the order of the fuzz in the chain yet?

[@mattgilbert7347]

@@roncoleman2535 I can't figure out how to do it with the ES-8 to truly separate the sides.

[@mattgilbert7347]

@@RobertKeeleyTV Sir, any advice on this problem???

[@92crap]

Do you plug this pedal in behind an amp or in front?

[@trooperformaiden]

Seems like it would have made more sense to have put the order with the more classic application with out the TRS cable.

[@trooperformaiden]

Hmmm. I guess with the delay it makes more sense. Answered my own question kind of haha.

[@RobertKeeleyTV]

Yes, you're right, we just couldn't put the mod/delay side first because the delay sounds so bad that way. And, there are plenty of good, classic sounds where the modulation comes after fuzz...so we just made it an option to run the effects order different by way of TRS cable. We just couldn't have the Delay sound bad. We would have to add a second DSP chip to put some modulations before fuzz and then delay after.

[@JRivera]

would this be an option in the future, dark side 2.0

[@tokingreens]

delay sounds great before fuzz for some things...the dark side of the dark side! nice shoe gaze with my super mod and some reverb...I am glad I got version one for more versatility...thank you Robert!

[@philspill6854]

Tracking my shipment now 👊a 30 ms/Monterey and this? My small board blows my big board away. Much love Keeley Electronics

[@karlhenrikarendt]

If you could call all these different sounds with a midi-controller like Boss ES-8, man that would be awesome!

[@johnmajernicek6508]

I have both version 1 and 2. I’m intending to post a video shoot-out between the two. I’ll let you decide for yourselves, but both versions must be using different chips and the delay side on one unit acts like a second gain stage.

[@mattgilbert7347]

Did you make that video?

[@AyYoSteve]

@@mattgilbert7347 was just gonna comment the same thing. I'm either gonna get this or an empress equalizer. I know they're totally different but the price point is similar

[@cocksucker6798]

Steven Clairmont would u say that the v1 is worth getting

[@TheInvationCo]

I have a question and I really need help. So I just got my Keeley Dark Side and im not sure if it came with a malfunction or not but ive been going through so many videos on this pedal and it seems like no one is having this problem. So when Im on the delay mode when i change to certain levels my pedal is like lagging or having a latency effect. Like when i play a string itll play it like 1 second late especially on LEVEL 4-5. Im not sure if this is part of the pedal or what but can you please let me know. Like do i send it back or what??

[@KeeleyElectronicsEdmond]

Hey there! Please email service (at) rkfx (dot) com and Sean will get you taken care of!

[@javiceres]

Delay into fuzz can be so cool though

[@ralex3697]

Sounded like Robin Trower I’ll take it

[@CorbCorbin]

Really wish I'd known about the new version before I bought this one.

[@fragmatic1964]

What is the new version? Is there a V 2.0 ?

[@CorbCorbin]

fragmatic1964 Yes. I was speaking on the update to the pedal. They put a button that switches the signal to mods first. V1 needs a TRS cable to do it.

[@fragmatic1964]

Thank for the update Corb. Now I have no reason not to go buy one. ; )

[@CorbCorbin]

fragmatic1964 Cool! I really dig the sound I get out of it. It blends with other effects really well.

[@mattgilbert7347]

But the V1 is sooooo much better. You can put a whole chain of effects in that insert and have Guitar>DS input>Fuzz> TRS *send* >Boost/Comp>Mods>Another Delay> TRS *return* >Dark Side Delay>DS output. And if you have a little loop switcher (Analogman make one) you can have two chains and run them remotely and stack them! I bought the Keeley "Ëchoes" pedal which is the delay side of the DS but improved, a Red Dirt Studio Deluxe, and, along with a NUX Atlantic & a Tremolo last in the chain, that's my jam board! Two Keeley pedals, one with TRS stereo I/O & breakout (insert) functionality to separate the sides and one with TRS *insert only* gives you many, many possibilities. I wanted to expand from the little Jam Board so: I put 2 pedals (RC Booster & Keeley 1962x) in my Analogman A/B/A+B loop switcher, hooked that up into the RDD using Hosa b/out cables, put a Power Booster and CE2 in the DS insert. DS output to the other pedals - Wampler Velvet Fuzz, T-Rex Replica, Fender Tre-Verb maybe my EH Anaogizer to smooth everything out>amp! The remote controlling the Analogman loop switcher = me done. Incredible rig and so small and versatile, especially with that AM loop switcher w/remote Truetone CS12 keeps everything clean and quiet, Lava Tightrope reliable patches and a comfy fit. I sold my V2 to get a V1. I would still like to figure out a way to completely separate the two sides of the V1 as you can do with the RDSD and other Keeley pedals.

[@gregw9567]

Whoops did we forget to put that switch in?

[@mathisto21]

Is it possible to seperate the sides completely so that the fuzz can be sent to the front of the map and the modulation side be rout3d into the effects loop?

[@mattgilbert7347]

THAT is what I want to know.

[@jbonafilia]

Anyone ever find out? Like if I have a switcher can I have the fuzz in one loop and the modulation in a separate loop with the trs insert like an aria?

[@mattgilbert7347]

It'd be cool if it could be modded to function like the D & M Drive i.e split the sides to put in separate loops in a loop switcher like the GigRig2 or Boss ES-8. Then you could have presets for mods before fuzz, mods after fuzz, mods/delays running in parallel. And you could add other effects, so you could use your own mods with the DS Fuzz & Delays or mutatis mutandis, vice versa.

[@billy4643]

So this can't be plugged to a ES-8 like a midi type pedal? thanks

[@mattgilbert7347]

@@billy4643 No not MIDI. Two loops. Insert to split, like the D&M drive and Aria/DCR/DDR - nothing to do with MIDI.

[@mattgilbert7347]

@@billy4643 And it doesn't need modding. But ONLY the V1 can do it.

[@mattgilbert7347]

IT CAN'T DO IT

[@sunnyschramm9650]

we need a stereo-version

[@jaydee177]

So this unit does NOT include the cable??

[@Deebool]

The v1 does include the TRS cable.

[@FilminTilman]

Ive been using the dark side pedal. It's seems that even having the trs cable plugged in by itself gives a different sound from either running it normal or using a patch cable to reverse the effects. So it seems there's 3 ways to hear this pedal. Just wondering if you could tell me what's actually going on in this case?

[@RobertKeeleyTV]

So when you run it with the TRS cable, what effect are you inserting?

[@ake719]

Wow!

[@LysanderLH]

I'd like to hear someone play dark side of the moon tracks using this pedal. I'm selling some gear to get one!

[@KeeleyElectronicsEdmond]

Did you see our first demo video? Some sweet sounds in there!

[@LysanderLH]

Keeley Electronics yes I did and it was good. Don't get me wrong, I admire you for what you have done for us bedroom guitarists and if I can, I will own this pedal. I hope Andertons like Pink Floyd ;)

[@xjunkxyrdxdog89]

@@LysanderLH ever get it?

[@nikosdragman2246]

very good pedal. but very expensive. the keeley should be sold at a reasonable price

[@current3109]

So damn expensive...

[@PeteWizzle]

As is any high quality item

[@KlockoFett]

Consider what buying all these effects separately would cost, especially quality units and not $30 behringer pedals. This really isn't that bad.

[@xjunkxyrdxdog89]

If youre playing on a budget, something like a digitech RP multieffects pedal is a good option. Pedals like this one are more aimed towards players with a higher budget. The cheaper pedal will sound a little worse, and be harder to work with, but you can essentially get an entire pedalboard pretty cheap. I wouldn't pair an expensive pedal with a cheap guitar or amp.