Keeping Masculinity from Trending Toxic - Dr. Jonathan Brown | Reframing the Gender Question

In our extremely polarized time, where do Muslims fall in on conservative or progressive values, especially when it comes to gender roles and masculinity in particular? Dr. Brown discusses where Islam fits in with modern issues around gender.
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[@elfinsim]

May Allah give this man a long life. Thank you for recognizing it’s the Muslim women that suffer the most from both sides.

[@elfinsim]

@It doesn't Matters maybe, not sure. But surely taking hadeeths out of context and/or shortening them to suit an agenda is definitely going to turn away a lot of people from the beautiful religion, man or woman. Or have I mistaken your tone for one of concern when really, you’re just trying to instigate something here? If it’s the latter, I sure hope your grammar is on par with mine, or else there’ll be many more misunderstandings in our future exchanges, should we have any. But judging by your YT handle and the two sentences you’ve just written under my comment here, I really don’t expect much. And by saying you’ve seen “many”, does that include all the muslim nations you’ve travelled to or just the 2-3 people you know of? I personally do not know of any Muslim woman who has had a non-Muslim boyfriend and I’m not even from a conservative place 🤷🏻‍♀️ But go on.

[@AC-mp7cx]

no they dont. they did in the past tho

[@i.s.3001]

"The Prophet (S.A.W) was not served...he was at the service of his family." PROFOUND! Mashallah and Jazak Allah Kheir for such a great lecture 👍

[@solomonbeau9637]

i dont mean to be so offtopic but does anyone know a way to get back into an Instagram account? I stupidly forgot the login password. I would love any help you can give me!

[@gatlinkeaton9502]

@Solomon Beau Instablaster ;)

[@AC-mp7cx]

so a man should serve and no one else in the family should serve? yeah no

[@khadijafulan8308]

A well balanced man is a blessing to this world. No to men who are abusive, overpowering and narcissitic. No to men who act feminine, girly and display cowardice. The most well balanced and perfect man is our beloved Rasullullah (saw). We are blessed to have him(saw) as our rolemodel, for our muslim men. So follow him! And stop following your favorite rap artist, fotball star, gay fashiondesigner, politican; and every other man who is far from the blessed example of Rasullallah(saw).

[@abdulfatairabiu4526]

I Hope you ladies follow the sunnah of the mothers of the believers as well.

[@mkeita9566]

abdulfatai Rabiu Dr. Jonathan AC Brown is talking about men. So what are you doing to improve your deen as a Muslim man?

[@adrianaadnan7704]

Ow yeah hes amazing dr Brown is amazing

[@mynameissurya18]

Muhammad is literally the worst example for a decent human being to follow! He was a rapist, a paedophile, a murderer, a hypocrite and the list goes on... He is a sick and perverted bastard! May Abu Bakr's piss be upon him.

[@SA41959]

abdulfatai Rabiu This is about men, women are constantly advised (usually by men) so how about you take advice for a change? The Prophet (pbuh) is the best example for all Muslim men.

[@FathimaMuhsina]

Stumbled upon this and its such a timely reminder for me. May Allah reward the speaker and this channel for their efforts.

[@roubaissa6996]

May Allah protect and bless Dr. Jonathan Brown

[@OptimizedMuslim]

What a nuanced yet accessibly delivered lecture on a "trigger" topic. Allahuma barik

[@AC-mp7cx]

i like dr brown but this was leaning towards implicit feminist narratives

[@k.taylor2948]

Brilliant lecture! Thank you

[@zebalayla2690]

WOW amazing mashAllah how beautiful is our Deen and Nabi peace and blessings upon him

[@tammyrhouila9709]

Wow, very insightful.

[@FBA-Renaissance]

Dr. Brown - Thanks sooooo much for your WISDOM!!!

[@aairahimranshaikh1363]

Jazak Allahu Khairan!!!

[@SS-eriously]

Thank you for this interesting lecture

[@humility1685]

THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH doctor ! Keep it up!

[@nasira.sabria]

OMG! JAZAKALAH KHAIR! I am an AMFT, (associate marriage and family therapist) and, when I was working as a counselor for an Islamic company online, I had so many clients whose muslim-majority countries were completely infested with this false definition to which you refer of what it is to be man and husband. Jazakalah khair. I hope this goes viral.

[@aromaseawater1492]

Eloquent and insightful. Men should be taught this rather than targeting womenswear, Muslim families would be happier.

[@4681MM]

Mashallah- Dr. Brown is a modern day role model for men and boys today. May God be pleased with him

[@azmihoffmann3238]

Dr. Brown is funny. Sad that the audience don't give him enough credit. XD

[@remylebor2]

Honestly, we developed our perceptions growing up. When he gave some "new" directions, we had to ponder whilst listening...

[@nayranay97]

Thank you for open up our eyes 🌸

[@TheLaughingComedian]

Mashallah. Very insightful

[@annieyousif25]

Masha Allah great points! May Allah swt bless us with those characteristics Ameen.

[@nasapi]

Jazak allahu khairan

[@richardmackintosh]

Wonderful

[@MilkyWay-tk5rm]

MashaAllah. Mr. Brown is a gem for our ummah. I hope everyone could hear this. May Allah keep him and his family and those who helped this lecture on sirat-Al-Mustakim.

[@humility1685]

Waiting eagerly thanks

[@elhamrgb1743]

Great speach

[@ashburn06able]

Thank you so much for this. We need more Muslim men and scholars like this. May Allah bless you Dr.

[@AC-mp7cx]

we need anti feminist men

[@emranba-abbad8335]

Excellent work! One comment! The "GHAIRI OLY ALIRBATE", AL NOOR 31; means except those men having no sexual desire. The meaning is changed when "for women" is added, the Ayah does not allude to homosexual men; it states the condition of men who are deprived of sexual desire.

[@emadrumi7620]

Great man

[@adrianaadnan7704]

I got attracted to islam because islam is soooo sophisticated n hygenic n precise and self sell. Like preach yes to get the msg across. Its an extensive broad sopp instructions but marketing isnt needed.. But i dont think islam sells because of the preachimg. I just think that the product is so amazing as itself that as modernity gets more confusing n stupid like gender fluid stupid kinds of stupid.or dont identify kind of stupid then the choice is clear like who is dumb enough to choose modernity vs islam at 2020. I mean u have to be lile stoned or smtg. Modernity makes no sense in 2020. N it gets more ridiculous over time and unstable and makes no sense.scientist will gradually be against modernity because ut does not make biological sense to condone such stupidity. N i think as we go further people will be embaressed to follow modernity as they dont wana identify as stupid.

[@aliahmed800]

Dr. Brown for president Insha Allah!

[@TheKindheart99]

May Allah bless him.

[@fawaziaali6814]

Dr. BROWN I really enjoy your views and historical references but I'm curious 🤔 do you rely more on the Quoran or the Haiti?

[@choudhry443]

Who gives thumbs down to a good reminder? I always wonder. I want to talk to them. Why... ( curious) ???

[@aadilshaikh9853]

Just how easily Dr. Jonathon Brown explains such complex issue

[@abdallahduker9184]

What the subject ?

[@azmihoffmann3238]

Anyone knows an authentic books that provides comprehensive read about Shahabiyah?

[@sumiyahyasin5887]

Books by Dr Muhammad Akram Nadwi

[@jannat4585]

This is a great approach. But you know at 15:00 when you say you're gonna push these women out of islam if you don't respect them.... I don't think that most muslim women's faith depend on the men they're around.. I mean obviously it is wrong to oppress muslim women. But stating that muslim women's believes are a product of muslim men's actions, that when men treat them good they believe and when men oppress them they run away from relegion is sort of problematic. Women have their own understanding of religion and their own relationship with Allah which has nothing to do with men.

[@axis2312]

Many men use scripture to oppress women, "more women in the hellfire" "the angels will curse you" "women are deficient" "i can beat you because Allah said it's halal" etc. This is why women should learn their deen and learn what is expected of them and what they should expect of men so that they do not fall into that trap.

[@zhiar3052]

He meant it in the social sense not the religious sense, meaning muslim men and women hating each other getting away from each other (which may actually result in both of them getting away from the religion itself)

[@curiouscat5229]

Loved your post.

[@nurainabajuri]

Barakallah...at certain points I can see Shaykh Hamza Yusuf in him...

[@Mumbowjumbow]

Mashallah!! we need sheikhs like dr. Brown and Andrew Tate to help navigate around this twisted atmosphere we live in.

[@YahiyaKhan-bk3bc]

I also often question of myself that have I lost my faith in present circumstances inspite of praying and trying to follow Quran and hadith as much as possible? But I have come to conclusion about it. If it is correct it is by grace of Allah. In sleep if I dont follow the etiquettes of islam, sometimes satan attacks me, in due course consciously or unconsciously, there is utterance of no god except Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, then immediately attack disappears. Allah knows the best.

[@sarahhajarbalqis]

15:52 What is the Sunnah of the Prophet SAW. He was in the service of his family. 25:05 Abu Lahab Abu Jahal ... and the Professor momentarily forgot :)

[@zobs24]

Hasan was not Safiya’s husband!

[@asmaerahou747]

Under the slogan of women empowerment they immasculate mens

[@sunset2.00]

he is the only scholer that i know who got movie examples joke he got ilm that most of us dont.

[@thetruthiswhatmatters6382]

Really who is torn, islam is clear. Do not follow the flavour of the day

[@EquinoXReZ]

Edit: I might have said something wrong may Allah forgive me. Please read replies. We need to be careful because someone will hear this and say “Well I should be served because this guy says the Sunnah of the prophet is not to be served but to serve his family”. The prophet SAW would help his wives out of his generosity, but it wasn’t his responsibility to cook, clean, take care of the kids, etc. Some will hear this and say it should be a 50/50 split between men and women but that’s simply not the case.

[@zobs24]

Well, its 50/50 if she works i.e has a career these days just like you do.

[@EquinoXReZ]

@@zobs24 Yes, but I don't believe that both the husband and the wife should both work full time. I have heard this can lead to problems.

[@zobs24]

@@EquinoXReZ then you have to decide who should work and who should not. If she earns more than you and she is better at her work than you and she wants to work, you have to give it to her. Probably you then should stay at home and take care of cooking. If you cant cook, then do marry someone who would stay at home and cook for you, I mean, its not black and white like she has to cook and you have to eat. It can be either way. Decide before marriage so that there is no problem.

[@EquinoXReZ]

@@zobs24 JAK for the advice brother, I think this is definitely something that should be established before marriage. Personally, I believe the man should provide as this is our role in Islam.

[@ZM-et7zt]

@@EquinoXReZ it only leads to problems if you haven't organised how you will split the household chores and look after each other. Just find a wife who wants to be a housewife, there are so many sisters that want that lifestyle. But it doesn't fit everyone and shouldn't be forced.

[@theeagle9232]

Next Time Arabic Transliteration pls

[@TheGreenPillCoach7]

"The Prophet (S.A.W) was not served...he was at the service of his family." Unfortunately, this is a very ignorant statement, despite it being well-intentioned, by Dr. Brown. For one, the Sahabah Radi Allahu Anhum jumped to be at the service of Rasul Allah Sallallahu Alayhi Wassalam, for two the Wives Radi Allahu Anhum served Rasul Allah Sallallahu Alayhi Wassalam and obeyed him (ex. Sayyida Khadija Radi Allahu Anha cooked for the Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wassalam and even brought the food to the base of the Mountain of Light which was a very physically strenuous task), and for three the Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wassalam did not need anyone, because he Sallallahu Alayhi Wassalam was Directly Sustained by Allah (meanwhile everyone needed him Sallallahu Alayhi Wassalam). But, beyond that -- there is a poor understanding being shared here: the authority and leader figure provides excellent stewardship, and takes care of their dependants tremendously, and with utmost mercy. However, the other side of the balancing equation has been totally neglected here, despite Dr. Brown calling for a 'moderate' or 'balanced' take. Namely, the side of tarbiyyah and discipline, which ensures that authority is revered and cooperated with by the dependants. The vision of manhood that Dr. Brown caricaturizes here of being 'alt-right' in origin, is a very shallow strawman that few actually even entertain in the manosphere. Instead, a vision of both strong and soft qualities coming together is routinely presented, for better or for worse, in such spaces. And, indeed in Islam we find that the husband and father is granted both *headship* and *providership* over the family. While Dr. Brown acknowledges female issues, and the attractive pull many are resisting towards Western validation, he doesn't understand how magnetism and safe-guarding womenfolk actually works based on what he's said here. While compassion is necessary, if this emanates from an approval-seeking door-mate state from men, Muslim women will have little reason to respect them as they're being fake and failing to uphold their masculine functions of heading relationships. Headship requires checks and balances, and boundaries being set and enforced to ensure the behaviour of all parties is in keeping with sacred law. When this is neglected, and only compassion is shown, people who aren't actually in a deficit of receiving validation, become spoiled. And, this doesn't magnetize women, it repels them. Women detest yes-men who can't be honest with them about their commitments and values, precisely because yes-men are trying to gain approval from the nafs of those women, who therefore don't feel safe under their care (they can't handle them). An authentic and balanced man, instead, nurtures the nufoos of his dependent, but directs them towards their fitri imperatives. This requires tarbiyyah too, and not just soft takes. We are seeing the younger generations on IG and TikTok degenerate further and further into tabarruj and dayooth like behaviours, despite all the accommodations of this soft approach. It clearly isn't working, and it clearly isn't respected. The balance is to invite others as they are, but to ensure they continue improving and not stagnating into worse and worse conditions. There is a time for discipline and there is a time for lenience.

[@karimb972]

Dr Brown's talk summarized in a few words: don't tall in the western left-right dichotomy, follow the Sunnah. You: 2000 words to try to refute him and then reach the same conclusions. Come on, man!

[@SlaveOfTheMostMerciful]

@@karimb972 he’s elaborating the point missed in the lecture….both men and women must always submit to Allah swt and the sunnah but Men have a degree over Women in the relationship.

[@somayyamughal3532]

fakester

[@howtofordummies6582]

You expect everyone to behave like Mohammed صلى الله عليه وسلم but i dont see any Aishas or Khadijas R.A around..

[@axis2312]

Lead by example and the women will follow.

[@besmo83]

The prophet ﷺ served his family, but his family also served him, it's a shame J.Brown wants to portray this one-sided idea, we have numerous Ahadeeth where the Prophet ﷺ was served by his wives. Stop promoting this idea that a man should be at the service of his wife, it's the otherway around folks

[@sannav2236]

Ahmadiyyat Zindabat!