KETO made my LDL CRAZY-High! Lean-Mass Hyper-Responder Research with Feldman, Tro, Norwitz

For some people, a keto diet makes their LDL-cholesterol skyrocket!! The question is, is this dangerous, or is this healthy and fine. Joining me today are Dave Feldman, Dr Tro, and Nick Norwitz who have a new article discussing just this class of folks, called Lean Mass HyperResponders (LMHR). The more often this paper is downloaded and printed the bigger impact it will have.
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[@shelldawn5398]

My family & friends are so tired of me saying Dr Berry says….Dr Berry says….. But until they’re on board, I’ll keep on.

[@ninawildr4207]

Lol keep at em

[@JN-or1zr]

I have incorporated some "Dr. Cywes said..." And "professor Bikman says..." Might want to try that too 😅

[@PersHades]

I include Dr. Jason Fung too lol

[@kathrynpayne428]

Same here ! 😂

[@ericstephenson145]

Hit 'em hard.

[@dannymcneal]

Oh my gosh! Am I LMHR?!? I’ve been on strict carnivore for the past 4 1/2 months. I’m 65 1/2-years old, 5’ 6” tall, and weigh 136 lbs. According to my Withings scale, my total body fat is around 6%. My last labs (10 days ago) showed cholesterol at 315, HDL at 47, LDL at 239. But my A1C lowered from 5.7 to 5.2, triglycerides lowered from 154 to 91. And my primary doctor freaked out and suggested I should do what all the overweight people are doing. She’s scheduling me to see a nutritionist, at which point I will strongly, but politely, decline the offer of a statin. I haven’t felt this healthy in decades. Why are they trying to discourage me from this new and improved lifestyle?!?

[@Roberto-cg2gr]

Share a copy of the video to your drug pusher doctor 🏥

[@alanlierz3745]

Thank you for this video and to the doctors for their hard work. I am a lean mass hyper responder. My BMI is 23, I’m in the top 4% of marathon runners my age (61), I have lean muscle mass from lifting and I am full carnivore strict. My LDL went from 199 to 364 in one year after I cut out carbs. A year ago I was lean, but not as muscular. I know I can manipulate my LDL with one sweet potato, Wow! I’m not going to do that. My observation is that I may be the person who fits Gods original mold. I’m fit, lean, eat the proper human diet, no junk or alcohol and my body is functioning as it is supposed to. The LDL is carrying the energy to the correct location. My HDL is 109 and triglycerides is 59, total cholesterol is 476. I would not take a statin even a gun was held to my head. There is zero evidence that Statin drugs reduces all cause mortality. Also zero evidence that cholesterol cause heart disease. There is evidence that higher cholesterol in people over 60 have a much less chance of getting diabetes, dementia, Alzheimer’s and likely cancer. My cholesterol is working like it is supposed to work.

[@susanneschauf7417]

Thank you so much for sharing. I am absolutely of the same opinion. No drugs and injections, come what may.

[@62Sketch]

I'm similar. I'm lean with some extra muscle mass from working out. Went carnivore and my numbers shot up Total 322, LDL 196, Tri 81, HDL 107. Alarmed me a bit when I saw them, but a little research seems to show that my ratios are very good. Will add that my fasting Insulin is 3.

[@thanasis_k]

hi! ok with ldl. But what about lp(a)?

[@alanlierz3745]

@@thanasis_k what is lpa?

[@thanasis_k]

@@alanlierz3745 another cholesterol molecule that is claimed to be real risk factor and you cannot lower it with nutrition, lifestyle, supplements or drugs

[@peace-a]

Just got back from my PCP, we discussed my Cardiac IQ results. First time getting this test after I requested it myself. She got concerned because my LDL was 181 making me borderline to get on statins. I said nope. I won't do it. So she said to limit animal meat consumption and consume unlimited fruits and veggies since they contain zero cholesterol. I stayed quiet. I wasn't going to argue with her but in my mind I was thinking that I'll just do the exact opposite of what she recommends. All my other numbers as far as particle size, triglycerides, hdl, and glucose were just fine. I'm 53, female. Thank you for this amazing video!!!

[@vermeea1]

How did our ancestors survive without knowing about HDL, LDL blah blah blah. This makes for a great discussion among academics it is just a debating society. I eat a Carnivore diet and I am 68 years old male, retired R.N. and I avoid the Health Care Industrial Complex as much as possible partly because I made my living working in that system for over 40 years. Big Pharma owns the current Health Care system and I do not know anything about my HDL, LDL blah blah blah. What did our ancestors do before humans became nervous Nellies and became obsessed with visiting their M.D. and getting permission for a lab test in order to get a profit drug pushed onto them. This Big Pharma racket is the problem. I have the understanding needed to take my health into my own hands and if you also have that ability just live as your ancestors lived and avoid all these Lab tests and doctor visits and live a Carnivore life and ignore all this obsession with labs and toxic Big Pharma 'drugs'.

[@gerriplourde1517]

Gosh! I’m there with you…recent labs indicated high level triglycerides & cholesterol….the day before the yearly physical, I had zero worries, the day of I suddenly became concerned over numbers! Today I’m pissed! And I will not take their meds but will work at removing carbs from my diet and living til God calls me home…I’m 75 yrs old….

[@earnestcharles9513]

These drugs companies are getting rich off the people. My body knows what it's doing better than a doctor or big pharma.

[@Spodeboy]

It was a challenge to listen to these researchers and their jargons. Dr. Berry, can you make another video and put it in simple layman's terms?

[@HappilyCarnivore]

I second this request.

[@dreamingrightnow1174]

Hang in there. If you look up the key terms every time, even if you have to do multiple times and listen to more than one person discuss blood panels, etc eventually it sinks in. Listening to different people helps because they have different ways of explaining stuff and you'll begin to see it. It also helps me when I get my blood work done, I look up any terms I don't know. You can just google "normal levels of .." whatever and google will find it for you.

[@HappilyCarnivore]

@@dreamingrightnow1174 I have neither the time nor the patience to stop the video every few seconds to look up a term. Especially when a lot of the terms won't be as easy as just reading a definition. It's an hour long video that would turn into more like a 5 hour video. I'm not saying I'm not interested in learning these things, just not on this scale in such a short period of time. It's absolutely not feasible for me.

[@sarahthomson8183]

Yes, PLEASE.

[@michelemoneywell8765]

Summary: The #1 indicator of a greater increase in LDL is a lean BMI. The #2 indicator is the ratio of triglycerides to HDL. The smaller the number, the more likely a rise in LDL. (Note, small numerator (healthy triglycerides) divided by high denominator (healthy HDL) = a small number. In math, think how 1/100 is smaller than 1/10.) Conclusion: high LDL may not be the Bogey Man scientists assumed it to be.

[@kathiefleming2830]

My health care provider, said “these guys aren’t treating you, I am, and you won’t find a doc that will support this, except dr Atkins but he’s dead. I said he died from a fall not the Atkins diet. This is the kind of stuff we who want local support have to deal wth.

[@marlenegold280]

They get away with it if you don’t know better. (Like Dr. Atkin’s fall as cause of death)

[@yvonnewagner9833]

Just get a new Dr, end the rubbish from your present one. Problem solved, if not possible then agree, but do what you know is correct 😏

[@PippaPipster]

They're ignorant. Lke mice in a maze. Big Pharma sponsors all the studies and med schools.

[@ericstephenson145]

I'm a lean mass guy with high LDL. Strict Keto/animal based lifestyle for three years. My doc did a basic blood panel in the spring during an annual physical and my LDL was high. He freaked out. I am lean (5'11" and 145 lbs), muscular with an obvious "eight pack" stomach, regularly lift weights, sprint, backpack, nordic ski. 50 years old and living my best life. I said "hell no" to a prescription drug. I also found another doctor. Here's the thing: Before Keto I got sick on a regular basis, at least 4 times a year with a cold. Often the cold would turn into a sinus infection. That was my life before Keto. I have not had a cold since starting Keto three years ago. I am still very active outside but my workouts have actually gotten much, much easier, because I'm not fighting SAD (Standard American Diet) anymore. I sometimes get a natural high when I'm nordic skiing for hours without eating. It's crazy. High LDL is good, as far as this lay heathen is concerned.

[@jeannedigennaro6484]

Yes, the ketosis high. I like to eat later in the day to feel that also.

[@luiggidecaro1621]

Main question is WHY mosto doctors think high cholesterol has to be adresses with pills that have severe side FX for life? I pesonally think they just follow ancient protocols and are unable to challenge they medic knowledge. At the end, results and overall health is the goal. Not a lab paper.

[@ketobyirinaattreemed2745]

Same here 😍

[@Reason-fg4ik]

What are your ratios of type A and B ldl?

[@ketobyirinaattreemed2745]

@@Reason-fg4ik in this country I live they don’t have such precise tests

[@margaretharris9855]

I had to laugh when you said take this paper to your doctor. When I’ve done that, it’s never positively received. I got a range from “you read too much” to “I don’t have time to read that” to “ I don’t care about your cherry picked article I don’t do witchcraft”. I wish there was a repository of doctors with a different mindset because this is frustrating

[@Will-ql5db]

The medical schools are supported BY pharmaceutical companies. Doctors hold onto their false narratives BECAUSE as long as they follow that "conventional wisdom", they cannot be sued for malpractice in the event that something goes wrong. YOUR bad health is THEIR security blanket.

[@catmandriver3297]

My Dr said the same! Said directly to me "well well aren't you Dr Google" - dropped her services immediately! This is MY health & not her decision... the 1st 3 questions in your Dr visit should be about your diet.

[@Will-ql5db]

@@catmandriver3297 it seems that arrogance is the #1 trait of doctors. How INSULTING. You should have called her a QUAK.

[@Paula_Gigi]

Agree

[@brendaverderaime7679]

The practical carnivore I believe has a repository or creating one. You can google and find one. I found my doctor that way. I told him I am carnivore. We did my bloodwork for the first time after 3 months of carnivore. Total 303. Another test came back 325. My bmi is 22. He came back and said congrats, you are a lean mass hyper responder. I have been looking at life insurance. I am cringing to think what my payments will be.

[@zbawieniejestwieczne9013]

Wow, here I was worried about my blood work LDL - 191 mg/dl, HDL 86 mg/dl total cholesterol - 288 and triglicerices - 56. I guess I should be happy with it.😃 great chat doctors. Thank you for sharing with us about these findings they are comforting to keto people. My A1C is 4.9. Not to mention my BP went from 140/95 to 100/70. To all who are still not sure if they want to go KETO, KETO is the ONLY HEALTHY and maintanable way to stay healthy.

[@alsma1]

We’re so similar! HDL 78 LDL 191 triglycerides 42 Overall cholesterol 277!! Feel great!

[@zbawieniejestwieczne9013]

@@alsma1 happy for you ketomen 😊

[@lesliesantos8595]

My mom said id probably get high cholesterol because my dad had it..but..my cholesterol is barely going up at 25 now..because i started keto..my ldl was 100 in 2023 october and now its down again at 98 somehow...idk how lol...wtf. and hdl is 78...idk how that means id have FH.....hopefully not cuz that would mean keto would be bad for me to be on right??? I used to eat oat smoothies like religion back in 2020 up until 2023 because my pcos got really bad...😢😢

[@cooperstravels5725]

I am relatively lean. Attempting to get rid of the rest of my pot belly. Over the past two years with two keto sessions, I have moved from 205lbs to under 170lbs. My HDL has risen from low 40s to upper 50s. My AIC dropped from 5.5% to 4.9%. My triglicerides have gone down from 85 to 72. My resting heart rate has gone down from 58 to 52. My LDL though has gone up 50-80pts to close to 200. My doc told me to go on a low fat diet, work out more, and start on statins. I told him the reason I have improved numbers is from a high fat diet. Seems weird that I should flip to a low fat diet and start drugs?

[@MalindaTamlyn]

You guys give me hope in this mixed up confused world. Not only are you changing medicine, you giving the world hope that we can take back our lives from big business and big pharma! Keep carrying the torch!

[@belvedere92]

Glad to see you notice that big Pharma was critical here in that once they saw there was a medicine in their stock that matched some aspect of how lipids worked, they announced they found a solution to heart disease, blind-folded our doctors and medical schools then sold us $Billions upon $Billions of worthless statins. Recently the same thing was tried with "plaque in the brain" Alzheimer's patients. But that big Pharma med is failing bc there was an outcry that we had been set just for high profits. NOT FOR CURE.

[@lisashapiro4714]

Yay.

[@christopherdoran3608]

KETO normalized all my bloodwork. Total Cholesterol from 325 to 170. Triglycerides normal. Best thing I have ever done for myself and down 30 lbs in 1.5 years.

[@jtstar10]

Low cholesterol is not necessarily a good thing. Conversely, high cholesterol is not necessarily bad ✌️!!

[@christopherdoran3608]

@@jtstar10 Agreed . Didnt say it’s low but did say normal range.

[@jtstar10]

@@christopherdoran3608 Cheers!!

[@richardmiller1256]

Mine was normalized in the other direction. My doctor kept telling me my cholesterol was too low. Keto put it in a normal range for the first time.

[@christopherdoran3608]

@@richardmiller1256 that’s interesting. My endocrinologist says cholesterol has been vilified by the statin makers. He says high cholesterol is nowhere near as bad as being pre-diabetic.

[@SapphireSweed]

This is really really interesting! And as an insurance agent, of course I think about how clients that are LMHR could get sub standard ratings (more expensive) for a life insurance policy! Now I can include in my cover page notes that there is research for those applicants who are LMHR that are super health that should get a preferred or super preferred rating (less expensive) and help to fight to get that better rating. Look forward to more research on this subject.

[@daze8326]

I’ve been a strict carnivore for 14 months. I’ve never felt better! I have been sporting high LDL and Cholesterol levels, Mod to high HDL, low triglycerides, and a ratio at 1.6. My doc continues to push statins, and ASA, but I continue to refuse. I’ve been flagged as “non-compliant.” So glad to hear the studies have begun.

[@user-io8bm6gz5z]

Im curious how you know your were flagged as non-compliant? Ive refused statins as well.. and some other advice from him and I was wondering if hes got a big red X on my file now as being one of those patients lol

[@martywilliard]

What does carnivore mean? All steak? What was your schedule?

[@PaulBengtsson]

@@martywilliard Meat or anything from an animal.

[@jr-nh2hn]

I just take the script from the dr and never fill it . The Dr gets upset if you reject the meds they want to put you on .

[@suzysanders6267]

Me too but I was on keto for about 5 months back in 2018 & lost 20 pound which all came back when I craved carbons ( potatoes, spaghetti etc. now I’ve been told ( I’m 76) that I have high cholesterol but heard this research and won’t take the meds. BUTT I’m going to try keto again so I can lose weight.

[@greenmarine5]

It's refreshing hearing educated people discuss their findings and research. No interrupting, no what if's, no arguing, just the facts.

[@zoomergrrlinluv]

just finished my fist 6 months of strict keto., lost tons of weight, diabetes symptoms all gone. Blood pressure went from high to the prerssure of an athlete, But..yes, my LDL is higher than ever.

[@longshanks5531]

What’s your APoB level?

[@cynthiawalker850]

I am thrilled to hear this research! I’ve been on keto for five years now and it works for me. The first year my LDL was off the charts and my doctor wanted to put me on all kinds of medication. I walked out and never went back because I heard Dr. Barry say don’t worry about it. So I haven’t.I weighed in at 130 pounds after losing 40. Thank you for your research!

[@boomerang6130]

How high is your LDL?

[@pederjohansen2029]

Love these talks. Wish that more doctors listened to this information and maybe we'd have a healthier society. Personally I'm not scared of cholesterol or most diseases. But I'm scared of most doctors and our health authorities.

[@SandyCheeks63564]

Most dr's are not passionate & fascinated by human physiology as is Dr Berry and his colleagues. It's a well-paying job to most dr's. I dread getting my results and being railroaded into taking statins. They tried to put me on in my 40's when my cholesterol wasn't even high.

[@dacisky]

@@SandyCheeks63564 I'll just add extra carbs starting 3 days before blood is drawn...No matter the results,I've already been up close and personal with statins and I will never take them again..No Dr. can force you to take a drug.

[@SandyCheeks63564]

@@dacisky how would adding carbs lower your LDL?

[@Paula_Gigi]

Absolutely 👍 totally agree with you

[@gins8781]

@@SandyCheeks63564 That might be a good question for the general comment section. It wasn’t really addressed in the video. Just that for lean mass hyper-responder phenotype, very low carbs seem to correlate with high LDL (and HDL) cholesterol. And adding the equivalent of carbs in a small sweet potato, the LDL dropped significantly (probably over time, though they didn’t say how quickly). It sounds like the researchers don’t necessarily know why it lowers cholesterol so profoundly for these people. That may be one of the questions more research will answer.

[@a.duncan6791]

Dr. Feldman's comment about low-carb approaches being a relative new phenomenon in the medical community is surprising. 50 years ago, after gaining 10 lbs. of what I called post active duty weight, I read about the Atkins (low-carb) diet, I implemented the guidelines into my daily eating regimen, lost the 10 lbs., and thereafter resumed the approach every time I regained 4 or 5 lbs. My question then is, what literature has existed over the past 40 or 50 years that might be looked at, and if it was buried, why was it buried and by which organization? This post was an excellent way to gain insight into how intelligent humans cooperate and solve problems. Thank you...

[@coffeemachtspass]

The AHA. There’s the culprit.

[@coachbahraen]

Dave feldman is not a medical doctor, instead he is a software engineer but deserved be called doctor

[@YouTuber-ep5xx]

@@coachbahraen Doctor is only on par with Mister. Feldman deserves to be called Sir.

[@coachbahraen]

@@KZbinr-ep5xx indeed

[@dreamingrightnow1174]

@@coachbahraen I'm not a fan of when phd's give medical or nutritional or fitness advice and use the title "dr". It gives the impression they're medical doctors and that's misleading. They may have studied the literature more than an MD and may be better informed, but they should be respected for that, not because people put an oversized trust in a degree in medicine.

[@davidroberts6151]

I just got my biometrics results. After 11 months of keto and low carb my numbers went from 5 for 5 markers for metabolic syndrome to 5 for 5 excellent, no risk factors! My LDL dropped from 295 to 201, my HDL went from 38 to 64, and triglycerides from over 400 down to 74. Lost 65 lbs and blood pressure was 120/80 and taken during a high stress day at work.

[@elinaulu3460]

I have been listening to this video and I think I may be one of these so called mass hyper responders. I have been on the low cards low sugar diet since the beginning of the year. I did my blood work last month and my LDLC went up to 327 and my doctor put me on statin. I took it for 3 days and discontinued. My total cholesterol was 403, HDL 60, Triglyceride 78, VLDL 16. I feel great and have lost weight on this carnivore diet. My doctor has asked that I do another blood work and I will print this paper and discuss it with him. Thank you and keep up the good work. I am a huge fan!

[@coffeemachtspass]

Lean Mass Hyper Responders. My tribe!! Total Cholesterol went from 109 (as a chubby pre-diabetic) to 335. My doctor gives me worried lectures and prescribed statins. After five years of reading, I’ve made my peace with having shocking numbers. (HDL-80, Trigs 65). My doc calmed down a bit when my CAC came back as a zero.

[@UniqueMechanics]

This is a cac is not everything though obviously a great test for a piece of mi d. You also have to consider your carotid arteries that could have plaque not just coronary arteries.

[@lorinichols9996]

Me, too. But I"m getting a CIMT tomorrow because it detects plaques at an earlier stage than CAC. Can be tough to find a place that does it, though....

[@charwright2687]

Omgosh Dr Berry thank you so much for this. My dr freaks out about my ldl and total and even tried to put me on a statin. Went as far as sending the script to my pharmacy but I never took it. Went back last month told him I didn’t take it boy he didn’t take that well. But too bad not taking it. And I lowered my ldl 38 points 💪without his statin. Thanks to all of you guys do

[@donnak9952]

Hi Char! Just curious...how did you lower your ldl?

[@charwright2687]

@@donnak9952 not sure lol, I just ate keto and didn’t cheat like I usually do. Mine is still high 217 but it was 255

[@donnak9952]

@@charwright2687 Thank you 😊

[@russbrown6453]

Is it possible that this is what humans were supposed to be? High LDL fighting against infectious diseases, covid, cancer etc? Low triglycerides ,high HDL to fight against heart disease?

[@dontfit6380]

Makes sense to me

[@lynnries7729]

Simply put and to the point...thank you.

[@mitsim]

Sounds about right. Not even a cold in the three years I've cut out sugar, carbs and grains.

[@jaywhoisit4863]

It also seems to keep viruses in dormancy. I have that nasty one that makes certain body parts get blistered and red. Low carb keto has completely stopped all the outbreaks. It’s like the immune system is supercharged!

[@chim-choo-ree]

I say this with total sincerity: I'm a big fan of Dave's permanent, self-satisfied smirk.

[@kateaye3506]

I would not recognise Dave without it. 😂

[@LKN4WAR]

😂😂😂

[@thefisherking78]

He's earned it

[@pattilee5901]

😂❤😅

[@pgplanas]

This is ground-breaking. You guys are heroes.

[@maisie6904]

I’m not worried about my elevated low-density lipoprotein cholesterol carrier - why would I be? Cholesterol is essential for life is it not? I thought the cholesterol argument had been debated and destroyed in its irrelevance.

[@jeffmcelroy5437]

Agreed. This video kind of confused me. My HDL and TG numbers predict my elevated LDL is pattern A and therefore, not a metric of concern. These people seem to be suggesting that isn't the case. Hoping Dr. Berry will do a follow up offering his opinion. In fact I think they should bring in Dr. Mason into this conversation and let him add his 2 cents as well.

[@JN-or1zr]

Dr. Tro very much still seemed to be concerned about LDL, the rest seemed reserved on what to think as 700 is a very high number. Very technical talk but the beauty of this study, no matter how they try to twist it in the future, we have a group of very healthy people with high LDL. Seemingly the healthier their other markers were, the higher the LDL. This is one more study showing non-correlation between LDL and more reliable disease markers. And finally why this matters. Vast majority of doctors still stare at total-c and LDL and hook you up with statins. This kind of data helps bring it to the knowledge of some of them. The trainwreck of diet-heart-hypothesis is still causing damage. These studies provide a bit of hope of relief from it.

[@lesliesantos8595]

Im confused still..so if my father had high cholesterol...that doesnt necessarily mean i have FH? Also...my cholesterol isnt high...its still in normal range...its just my LDL is 98 it was 101 i think back in October 2023...so idk...knock on wood..but is that good? If i had FH wouldnt i have high cholesterol since i was 15? Which im 25...im scared lol because its so confusing..and having no answers to a pressing question ...is more stressful..but its fine i guess...another death another study

[@debbiehamrick704]

This is me!!! I started low carb a couple of years ago, because I was insulin resistant. Now my LDL is high, not crazy high, but enough that my doctor wants me to go on a statin! I refuse!! My HDL and triglycerides are great. I’m no longer insulin resistant, but diabetes is very prevalent in my family, so I want to continue low carb. My BMI is 18.5. This explains to me why my LDL is higher than it has ever been. Thanks!!

[@200Nora]

I am in the same situation. I also went intermittent fasting and low carb for insulin resistance.

[@HillHyker]

I have a revolutionary new treatment for family related diabetes. A visit to the dentist. Get dentist to remove your sweet tooth. Cured in one sitting.

[@thuggeetennessee7981]

@@HillHyker Hahaha..... 🤣

[@MFT069]

I am confused. Are these lab patterns from lean mass hyper responder indicators for increase cardiovascular risk? And then if so simply adding some amount of carbohydrates may decrease that risk?

[@MilcaR.ForgivenInChrist]

​@@HillHyker 😂😅

[@rosaevans5432]

I really appreciate all the work y’all are doing and for the genuine care you have for furthering the health of others.

[@eved.167]

Loved this! Can’t wait to see/hear more in the future. Brilliant to have people like you all informing and educating the masses.👍

[@metal7core]

This is so exciting, so cool this people are moving knowledge of health forward like never before. Thank you all! 🤩

[@doty.5822]

I thank you very much about this topic. My cholesterol went up when I eat a low carb diet. I was puzzled . I am a diabetic type two for 20 years and was on metformin .Now I know the family doctor would add more meds to my list. With this talk, I no lower worry about this

[@thefisherking78]

What a great group you assembled for this! Very impressive, and happy to hear the research is progressing.

[@JustBrowsing777]

Thank you! I asked you this very question recently after watching Mr Feldman and Dr Ford about being a lean mass hyperresponder. Doctor after doctor has warned me about alarming LDL. I'm really lean and fit.

[@ilovemarvinful]

LMHR🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 thank you guys for all your hard work. I am so glad I go by how I feel!!! Being keto & very low carb makes me feel my best. My doctors are freaking out. But I am singing hallelujah thank you Jesus I feel amazing! Thanks to good doctors like you wi’ll get the word out!

[@JasminMusic1602]

Keto made my hdl high and triglycerides low...this is all important! This is when your ldl is safe

[@chouavue10]

the simplest in terms that people worriying should see.. good job.

[@johngolden8549]

Excellent analysis

[@gregl2249]

It only increased my HDL 3 points and I was very dedicated to keto -lost 49 pounds in 4 months --I only weigh 165 now

[@sjaron23]

I have been concerned about my high LDL on keto and I am very hopeful that it is a harmless byproduct. Thank you so much for organizing this discussion Dr. Berry!

[@jimcricket1]

For 30+ years I have been anemic, low d and suffering autoimmune diseases. In my late 40s add low t, hypertension and weight gain. Went keto then carnivore in late 50s and testosterone is 700, d is 105, hdl 72, a1c 5, bp is normal after losing 40 lbs and most importantly no more autoimmune disease but my dr panics over my lipids. Cholesterol 500+ ldl nearly 400, so I told him I will reduce butter, bacon and heavy cream intake if it'll make him feel better but I'm not eating any more weeds for the rest of my life. I am pissed that no "health" professional tried Atkins 30 years ago, I heard about it but they said it would kill me.

[@tmsloffer]

This such a great video! Really fascinating! Love listening to all of these gentlemen talk. Great for the lay person trying to understand this. Would love to get these guys together again for any new updates! Thank you Dr Berry :)

[@jlieut]

I relate so much to this video. Always been exercising and eating relatively healthy. 3 years ago my Triglyceride/HDL ratio was 1,48 with an LDL of 1,30g/L. I was 48 years ol back then. A year ago i was being more careful with my died and eating less sugar but not really doing Keto, increased the level of exercising, lost 6 kgs. My Triglyceride/HDL ratio went down to 0,81 with an LDL going up slightly to 1,37. Right after that i went on full Keto. Its been a year now, i have completely cut all sugars and carbs, exercising like crazy, never been so lean, completely reversed the little plaque i had in my arteries (my cardiologist does not understand), no more alergies, inflamation marker close to zero, trygliceride/HDL at 0,71 ! But LDL = 2,36g/L or 6,22mmol/L !!! go figure

[@BamBeatz3]

Thank you doctor Berry for supporting a community of doctors and amazing people who are paving the way for a proper human diet to be possible for all who pursue peace and health! 🥰

[@billytheweasel]

I'm LMHR since 2013 and was soooo glad when Dave Feldman came along. Grateful for Dr Berry too, as always.

[@2stayfree11]

How exciting for you all to be bringing in a new paradigm in medicine. Congratulations one and all, and much gratitude for your critical thinking skills!

[@user-xh6bo6bc9p]

This subject seems to related with what i learned from doctors like Paul Mason and Nadir that the precursor making ketones tends to produce ldl cholesterol and also that the cholesterol retrieving receiptors get down regulated when insulin level is low. Adding some carbs will lower ketone production and also increase insulin level, which in turn lower the ldl

[@kd1s]

Yeah my LDL went a little high when my BMI dropped. Maybe LDL isn't the boogeyman we've been lead to believe. And I love that analysis of data and machine learning came up with this. And my BMI is 22.8.

[@wandererpyepoudre744]

i knew that 12 yrs ago blame the FDA owned by big pharma

[@AleksandarIvanov69]

Not Big Pharma. The only reason cholesterol was demonized is DUMB GOVERNMENT. Never forget that for business to have decision-making power over private life is IF the government allows it... Stop blaming ppl for having short-term self-interest, blame government for being totalitarian. It has always been the only reason.

[@amisoftau2659]

@@AleksandarIvanov69 The mega corporations spend hundred's of billions of dollars per year on advertising, promotion, misinformation and bribery. It works. Most everyone is brainwashed into believing many falsehoods regarding human nutrition and health. They're doing EXACTLY what the tobacco companies did for thirty years - lie about and deny the health dangers of their products.

[@dreamingrightnow1174]

@@AleksandarIvanov69 You're arguing FOR government regulation at the same time against a strong government?

[@midwestribeye7820]

This was a very interesting video! Thank you and Merry Christmas to all!

[@marciavimazal8692]

This video was AWESOME!! I had looked at trying to join the study, but my LDL was elevated before I started keto over 2.5 years ago. I'm looking forward to the ongoing data.

[@taniafuentez9588]

Exceptional interview and research! I'll stand behind solid answers rather than doctor's unnecessary prescriptions for costly meds. Thank you all for being ahead of the curve.

[@bettysera4886]

Thank you all for this talk 🙏 super fascinating! Guess I fall into this category. I have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, MCAS with multiple anaphylaxis attacks, have had multiple joint reconstructions and now need my hip, pcos (apparently?), sleep apnoea and am a 31 year old woman. Drs just tell me to take opioids, steroids, tricyclic antidepressants(for nerve pain) and NSAIDs and the pill to ‘manage’. Also recovered from anorexia, my body fat went from 2% to 19% and bmi that wasn’t even on a chart to 19/20 which I’ve been able to maintain. I adopted a keto lifestyle a few years ago, total cholesterol went up and was told to go on a low fat high carb diet and exercise more by my gp!!! 🙄 To deal with pain I’m now on a carnivore diet, LDL is 197 HDL 100 TRI 35 with a tri/hdl ratio of 0.38 which I ordered privately. It got me off the pain pills and my inflammation and nerve pain has reduced dramatically. I’ve maintained my lean body type and it’s helped heal my relationship with food. I know if I were to take these labs to my go they’d freak out! Discussions and videos like these are needed and so important 🙌

[@karencarbone2603]

Thank you Dr. Berry, Dr. Feldman, Tro and adorable Nick Norwitz! Thanks 😊 for all of your wonderful ❤ inputs! God bless you all!

[@dagnygrant3461]

Incredibly juicy conversation! Thanks for creating this meeting of great minds!

[@justrusty]

This is fascinating. I have been dealing with this exact result. While my numbers aren't quite "LMHR", they are trending that way. I went from BMI 28+ to under 23. MY HDL went from 31 to 52. Trigs down from 231 to 91; ratio down from 7.45 to 1.75; LDL more than doubled to 242. Of course my doctor's hair is on fire.

[@SongbirdRanch2005]

my LDL IS 425 🤪🤪 everything else looks great!

[@meny3826]

Fantastic!

[@meny3826]

Great job! My LDL is 241 and my doctor is freaking out because I don't want any meds.

[@justrusty]

@@meny3826 Most recently, my Trigs/HDL ratio is down to 1.47.

[@carolinegannon8076]

@SomeGuy i remember that when my brother had high triglycerides, he discovered that alcohol right before the test affected it.

[@rt3box6tx74]

As a female whose LDL rose immediately after getting into Keto this show was so important & so informative I feel compelled to comment, even though it's been a month since it aired. Over 4 yrs of Keto w/no significant change in LDL, I've for several months had the urge to add some complex carbs back in my diet. This confirms the old saw, "listen to your body", with a few caveats... don't listen if the body tells you to eat biscuits &/or drink slurpees.

[@malachi487]

Dr. Berry_ I really appreciate you bringing this discussion together!

[@monicabostan1081]

Great stuff, hopefully it will start the conversation it so rightfully deserves in the medical research world🤞

[@wellingtonmoore321]

Hello👋there, how are you doing

[@HH-gn9qt]

So exciting fellas, thank you as another lmhr. It is absolutely a thing. Just have to see if the ldl is harmful at such high levels…hope not. I love keto.

[@davidswadell8499]

Great video, wonderful to see competent investigators with intellectual integrity looking into this phenomenon. Re. Tro’s comment about implications for clinical practice: the question is NOT “Can we reduce hyper-responders’ LDL-C via dietary intervention instead of drugs,” but “Is there any reason to be at all concerned about their high LDL-C numbers?”

[@marlenegold280]

No, the test is too vague.

[@heidikindon5182]

This exactly since high LDL alone is not enough to indicate a progression to cardiovascular disease.

[@manyblessings917]

Tro seems to have the goal of lowering LDL. Why? If the breakdown of the LDL shows there is a higher amount of large LDL and lower amount of small LDL, my understanding is that this is good. It does not look like he accepts all the information regarding LDL. I watched a really good video by Dr. Sten Ekberg on high LDL. It was so informative.

[@katreyes6358]

This is so exciting, thanks Dr. Berry for doing this video. Looking forward to seeing more info on this subject and changing the dialogue about our health.

[@wellingtonmoore321]

Hello👋how are you doing

[@czausz]

Thank you so much for this great informative information.! I have been on keto for 6 weeks. I'm 69 years young. I just had a lipid panel done, and yes, my LDL was the highest it has ever been. It went up to 204. Never has it ever been that high. My HDL was 108, triglycerides is 51. My HDL has always been high, and triglycerides has always been low. I feel so much better listening to Dr. Ken Berry. I have always been very healthy, and this high LDL number did scare me. Thanks again. God Bless.

[@dorenewhitacre1908]

I lost from 425lbs to 220lbs on low carb and Keto. I'm carnivore mostly now. A1c went from 8.4 in 2018 to 5.2 in 2019. Fell off the wagon during pandemic 2020 but only to 241lbs. So I gained 21 pounds. But I eat once a day or sometimes twice and in 2021 have had a rough year. Stage 3 breast cancer. Double mastectomy and all the limp nodes out of right arm. Plus chemo that made me sick for a month. Carnivore has worked for me and sometimes ketovore.

[@PippaPipster]

Sorry you've had such a tough year. ♥️

[@GS-rw9og]

@@PippaPipster JESUS bless you

[@belvedere92]

GOODLUCK to you. Remember that most tumors need sugars to survive. They are thankful for extra sugars in your bloodstream, so starve them out of sugars.

[@MilcaR.ForgivenInChrist]

I'm so sorry you are having such rough times. You are on the right path by not eating sugars. Do not give up. Trust in God and Jesus Christ. God bless you in your journey to a better health.

[@PNW_Sportbike_Life]

My LDL went from 265 to about 324 after a couple years. Triglycerides went from 175 to 75, so much better there. Cholesterol is just a number, and I'm not worried about it. My family doctor is however, and has offered me a statin multiple times; I'm not taking the bait.

[@boomerang6130]

I would like to follow you for 20 years....I bet you are doing damage to your cardiovascular sys eating all that meat and drinking all that oil. Yikes!

[@wilsont1010]

To monitor your health, the up to date marker that you should use is TRG/HDL. Cutting out carbs and sugar will not lower your LDL, you will have to increase your consumption of good saturated fats like coconut oil for a year or two before you can experience a drop in the LDL level.

[@boomerang6130]

@@wilsont1010 Why would your LDL drop if you are eating nothing but meat, grease, and fat? It won't.

[@wilsont1010]

@@boomerang6130 LDL is also an indicator of systemic inflammation, oxidative stress level and for the cell and vessel wall integrity and stability. Fat is the raw material to build all these and it takes years to replace these cells.

[@boomerang6130]

@@wilsont1010 what exactly are you trying to say? Are you saying eating meat, and fat, and grease are healthy?

[@lindabragg4125]

Thank you all for this video. I’m doing health seminars to a group of individuals and Dr. Berry has been my guidance to all these people. I have also included Dave Feldman name. Now I have two more Nick and Tro. Thank you all for what you are doing. ♥️♥️♥️

[@1406Bell]

What a fantastic video! Thank you to all of you!!

[@franciskeim6385]

Clean keto 7 years 52 years old LDL 228 HDL 97 Triglyc. 55 - these numbers are consistent. I am very fit/runner+push/pull/squat athlete -I am so happy to here this info and to here a name “lean mass hyper responders “. I was thinking my body was making the LDL!!! Thanks Dr Berry!!! Love you man. Will refer my doctor to this paper

[@Morenitasinpar]

Thanks Francis. My numbers are very similar to yours and I'm also 52. I just freaked out when I got my results. I used to be in a clean keto for some years, but lately, I was cheating a little bit. That makes a big difference.

[@FDM33510]

GREAT video. I hope you have these guys back on sometime for more discussion. Meanwhile, I am 5 months on Int-Fasting/Carno/Keto, and have lost 51lbs. (From 319 to now 268) I am 17 months Remission for High Grade Diffuse B-Cell Non-Hodgkins Splenic Lymphoma (Splenectomy). Next PET Scan is in January. My LDL is climbing slowly, and HDL is low, but all other labs are pretty solid. My PCP wants me on a multiple statins, but NOT gonna do it. Maybe I will have a potato every other day, and see what happens? Thx Doc, you are The Man!!

[@supernannoe44]

High LDL is NORMAL and not dangerous unless the breakdown of the types of cholesterol show it. DO not let them scare you out of your new wisdom. get the proper blood annalysis.

[@barblacy619]

Stay strong on resisting statins! Keep gathering the data like today.

[@lauracerva9716]

I love you are covering this. I was researching the keto diet and am realizing I fit this LMHR profile. I will maintain some starch carbohydrates in my plan if I go with it. I am very concerned about high LDL

[@karenlanteigne]

What an awesome vlog. Loved seeing you all on the same screen and great information shared.

[@luellayagge3603]

This was so interesting to me because this is exactly what has happened to me. I have been on keto for two months. I went from a waist size 33 inches to 29 inches. I lost 10 lbs but that wasn’t my intentions but extra bonus. My triglycerides 4 months ago were 204, now 96. What shocked me was that 4 months ago my cholesterol was 137 but now 215. So my question is, should I be concerned? I weigh 123 and 5’6”. I am an extremely young 81 year old. Lol I watch every video you put out. Thanks Dr. Berry, I’ve learned more from you in two months then I have in over 81 years.

[@bettywhill]

Your total cholesterol is 204? I wouldn’t worry about it if I were you especially everything is going the right direction.

[@longshanks5531]

What’s your APoB levels? Also, are you eating mostly all saturated fats? Or are you getting Polyunsaturated as well?

[@boomerang6130]

I would be very concerned.

[@wilsont1010]

To monitor your health, the up to date marker that you should use is TRG/HDL. Cutting out carbs and sugar will not lower your LDL, you will have to increase your consumption of good saturated fats like coconut oil for a year or two before you can experience a drop in the LDL level.

[@erikmaloney7719]

Thanks for the clarification of "LEAN". I am not lean yet. But I am dealing with the higher total c & LDl with lower triglycerides and higher HDL.

[@janetamerantes3640]

Thank you, thank you, thank you Dr Berry for your work and research FOR health. Thank you Neisha FOR your support and work in research and bringing healthy recipes which is hard to figure out.

[@dr.rodrigomfreire9229]

Excited to see more! Great work!

[@rachelreimer3832]

I am very small. 5'4, 120lbs. I tried Keto for about 5 months. I started have menstrual cycles 2x per month. The second cycle would start on day 10. Additionally, my LDL and Triglycerides went up and were out of range for the first time ever. My first month of doing 50 net carbs, my menstrual cycles regulated. I am getting my lipids checked next month. I have been on oral progesterone .35mg for 4.5 years throughout all of this and that did not change. Would love to see more information on the menstrual cycle changes in small, lean women.

[@mchevalier-seawell4438]

Dave, don’t so underestimate all doctors. Many, including endo. specialists, recommend low-carb, keto diets. And have been since 1980’s. MD on East Coast

[@serinademello]

This is me 100%. I just received my blood work after being in ketosis/carnivore for 2ish months, my LDL skyrocketed to literally 636! Haha I was in disbelief. A year and a half ago it was 158- not in ketosis. More of my results: Hs-CRP - 0.7 Tri/HDL - 1 Fasting insulin- 2 HbA1C- 5.6 HDL - 88 Triglycerides- 87 My doctor reads a lot about carnivore and is into fringe topics and even this freaked him out a bit and said it’s really not normal…. He loves reading so I can’t wait to share this study with him! He told me to reintroduce some carbs and we are retaking labs in 8 weeks. Thank you so much and God bless y’all!

[@eileenfb1948]

Fantastic interview thank you all.

[@skunkmasters4689]

My understanding is that cholesterol levels are irrelevant as a causal agent with chd. What are your concerns with cholesterol if it is irrelevant? I’m confused. Isn’t chd due to inflammation and that cholesterol is simply associated with the body’s attempts to repair that inflammation??

[@carnivoreRon]

I eat carnivore and have for 3.5 years. Bloodwork done last September. Glucose: 90 Triglycerides: 53. HDL: 60 with ratio of 1.1 LDL Cholesterol: 326 My CAC score showed I have a less than 10% chance of developing heart disease. Blood pressure was 114 over 72. A1C: 5.4. I weigh about 145 pounds and am 5' 8''. My obese physician mentioned me taking a statin, but from past conversations with me, he did not push the statin this time. I ignore my physician mostly when it concerns the carnivore woe. I did crossfit 3-5 days a week for 1.5 years. Now, I do crossfit in the morning and workout in another gym in the afternoon for 30 minutes to an hour . One of the best things about eating a carnivore woe is that my vocal range expanded by a full fifth...lol

[@Dee-kg9lk]

Interesting! How did it help your vocal range?

[@kevinclayton1974]

Yes please elaborate on your vocal range. I’m carnivore too and I noticed a change in my voice. Then I also thought it was just my imagination. Until now I’m considering there’s something to it. Very intriguing!

[@marlenegold280]

🎵

[@phildevilleres4439]

Thank you Dr Berry and team for the insight

[@codinginflow]

I'm very lean and muscular and turned carnivore 10 months ago. My doctor was surprised about my suddenly high LDL (7mmol/l). Even though he never heard of the carnivore diet (it's not well-known in Germany), he was pretty chill when he understood the reason for it and made a note that there is no reason to act. I almost feel like doctors in Germany are not as fast to jump on medication as US docs.

[@lur3950]

Medical Science Journalism at its best. Thank you Dr Berry and to all your guests Do it again & again, this is amazing because its knowledge. This way Doctors can select propper diets to keep everything in order

[@niritzagofsky7473]

I've been waiting for this. I'm a woman of 67 and grandmotherof nine, resistance training and bodyweight exercise, high HDL 85, triglycerides 70, LDL around 230, and I was wondering why. Keto for about five years, carnivore for about two years, now ketovore. And I found eating white rice and an occasional potato helpful. Now I understand, or at least know I'm not alone! Thanks guys!

[@rondela7341]

Hi. ive been on keto for 3 months and have lost 20lbs. after i reach my goal i would like to slowly add rice back in my diet. how much rice to you eat? how often? im asian and need rice!!! hehehe 🤣

[@niritzagofsky7473]

​@@rondela7341Sorry I never responded. I just watched this video again, having forgotten that I'd seen it. I only eat rice when I feel I need it, so not often, maybe once in two weeks, and I usually cook ¼ cup for me and my husband to share.

[@louisag5410]

Awesome discussion !!

[@fyrerayne8882]

thanks for all your work guys

[@amybe3]

Thanks for this. I’ve experienced the same thing and my doctor was very concerned and prescribed med I didn’t take.

[@ketobyirinaattreemed2745]

On LCHF and Keto diet for 8 years now! 45 y o, Lean , strong, happy, healthy- LDL is 9 , my husband who is a Dr give up of telling me about statins, I don’t believe in to statins, I believe in the Keto diet , ketosis is a natural best state for humans 💪🏼🙏😇 blessed to be on Keto diet ! Seen miracles with all my clients whom I prescribed Keto !😍 thank you for this great video!🙏

[@robertamorrison3462]

Great conversation! Lots of good information and things to share.

[@johncoffman2703]

Thank Ken, Love Davids research and have used it daily and a month before my 6 month labs.

[@paulvolcker8956]

Fantastic work everyone. Credit to Ken Berry to bringing it to us.

[@anthonygambitta6220]

Same here, I started Keto and my LDL, Total went high. HDL went up a bit, Triglycerides were ok. My doctor freaked out. I am 148 lbs, skinny and very active. He wanted to put me on statins, I said no. I scaled back the heavy saturated fats, and went to a more balanced Paleo Diet (which I prefer anyway.) With keto, I missed my veggies, milk, beans and some fruits. Now my LDL is 120, HDL 45, Total 180 and Triglycerides 126. In my opinion, humans evolved to eat a more balanced Paleo type diet (to be suatainable.) I do 17 hours fasting, watch my calorie intake, exercise 5 days a week and I eat almost everything. This works for me.

[@irenepeek3211]

This is amazing... I just found this today and it's describing me almost exactly. What a relief 😊. Thank you so much for sharing this information.

[@skerplatd]

Thanks for this information. Very timely.

[@angelawalker9793]

I’ve just started Keto two weeks ago. I had a stroke 6 months ago, and I was started on Lipitor in the hospital. I hated the side effects, but I didn’t want another stroke. So I stopped taking it, without a plan. Then I discovered Dr. Berry on KZbin and while I’m convinced he is right, I alternate between confidence and fear as I follow down this path. I know when I go to see my GP again, he is going to wash his hands of me because I’m not following his advice.

[@jillhensley4919]

Seems like this is a protective response by our bodies to protect the leanest from something. We need to re-examine what the different types of cholesterol really are capable of….and why they do what they do. Maybe high numbers are an immune response….seems like the one thing that responds so quickly.

[@christacatchpole2844]

Wow. The info in video is just what I needed to hear at this point. From what I absorbed listening I’m pretty sure I’m a LMHR for sure. Been on Keto 20 net carbs / fasting for 4years - pretty much OMAD with a few 24-36 Hr fasts. 165cm / 50kg Never felt better since Keto/Fasting Cholesterol tested high. I’ll try and up my carbs for a while and test again in 3months. Thanks for all this info, look forward to your continued findings.

[@marionr5959]

Really good study analysis!!! My doctor refuses to do any research about keto, because he says that he has enough to read. I wanted him to be informed because I'm his patient. Maybe, this study can get around to some of the stuff my doctor does read. I hope so. Thanks to all of you for your time spent for the food of people. 🙂

[@supernannoe44]

maybe you need a new doctor. If he doesn't care enough about your HEALTH, then he must be Happy earning a living off your SICKNESS.

[@damesaphira9790]

Been on a Keto diet since June 1st. I have gone from having 2-4 ocular migraines per day to ONE over the last 6 months. And that one migraine I had on June 2nd! This is mind blowing and life changing to me, the migraines are JUST GONE! With a BMI of 22 I have dodged my Doctor insisting I get lipid levels drawn.

[@ninawildr4207]

Awesome!

[@lq4657]

What do you mean exactly when you say kero? What are your carbs? Veggies? I am very thin and fit, and I have been carnivore for 2 weeks now. The high cholesterol phenomenon makes me very nervous !

[@damesaphira9790]

@@lq4657 -- I eat under 10 carbs per day but i don't count low carb veggies in my count. I don't eat the starchy veggies so that is not even in the mix. I do eat legumes. Since I made this post I have had my cholesterol numbers drawn and they were very good.

[@leondbleondb]

My LDL goes up too, it's the most difficult thing to explain to "unbelievers"

[@minibox9555]

Me too.

[@leondbleondb]

@@minibox9555 check out the cholesterol code by Dave Feldman if you haven't yet (also leaving this comment for other who may read it)

[@Jackb113]

This is brilliant thanks for sharing. Will be sharing myself!

[@shaysummers3520]

Congrats to the research team!