Kendrick Vs Drake Beef Lacked Evidence, So I Collected It Myself

Over a month has passed ever since one of the biggest rap disstrack series of all time occured, and A LOT of crazy allegations were thrown during this battle. The same can't be said about the evidence for these lyrics - so I decided to change that by creating one big pile of files containing information either supporting or denying some statements. The evidence gathering and creation process of this video took over a month, but despite that some sources may just not be true, since a lot of things are still just speculation - something only insiders may know, and that's the only reason this video isn't 100% factual - you'll learn everything there is to be known when it comes to important public information regarding these claims though, so sit back, relax and be ready to form your own opinions throughout and after watching the video!
SOURCES:
MUSIC (in order of being played):
[FREE] Drake Type Beat 2024 - "Push Ups" | Drake Diss Type Beat by Kronic (djkronicbeats)
Kendrick Lamar "euphoria" Type Beat / Marvel (Free For Profit) from H3 Music
[FREE FOR PROFIT] KENDRICK LAMAR (6:16 in LA) TYPE BEAT x MOTOWN VS SYNTHWAVE (2024) produced by Defbringer beats
[FREE FOR PROFIT] BEAT SWITCH Drake Type Beat “Family Matters” {prod. jxvnior}
[FREE FOR PROFIT] KENDRICK LAMAR X MEET THE GRAHAMS TYPE BEAT - "DEAR ADONIS" (Prod. BIG SPICE)
[FREE FOR PROFIT]
TRAP BEAT - “NOT LIKE US” (made by Guy Beats)
[FREE FOR PROFIT] Drake Type Beat 2022 - «HOTLIN3 BLING» | Free Type Beat from DIZTRICT STAR
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#kendricklamar #drake #commentary
0:00 Intro
0:46 Push Ups
3:22 A Ghost Story
4:07 Taylor Made Freestyle
4:55 Euphoria
9:08 6:16 in LA
11:45 Family Matters
17:04 Meet The Grahams
28:14 Not Like Us
29:36 The Heart Part 6
35:30 Conclusions

[@joshuawilliams8252]

Couple things I think could use more context: -Calling out Drake for not being black actually isn't about his race at all, it's specifically about how he picks up bits of other black people's regional cultures to make it a part of his own image. This is EXTREMELY well documented and it's something black people have been calling him out for for like a decade. He's a Canadian man who tried first to imitate Houston then Atlanta style... and that's just in the US. He's also tried that with the UK and Jamaica (he's not Jamaican). The best bit of proof that it wasn't about his race is that Kendrick calls his son, who is 1/4 black, a black man on Meet the Grahams, and the entire 3rd verse of Not Like Us. But Drake tried to retroactively make those lines about his race. -Drake implies that Kendricks best albums were ghostwritten by Baby Keem... who was like 11 when TPAB, his most critically acclaimed album, was released. Homie was streaming Minecraft back then. He also doesn't make anything close to the same type of music as Kendrick so that dog really don't hunt. -Kendrick basically called out any "personal information" Drake wanted to telease BEFORE Family Matters was dropped (on both Euphoria and 6:16 in LA) when Kendrick drives home the idea that Drake is a liar and is mostly making thing up based on what he heard on Mr. Morale... which was also shown later on The Heart Part 6 when he completely misunderstood Mother I Sober. -The teason the Heart Part 6 is considered the worst track is because of the part you skipped over and some of the lines where he basically contradicts himself and makes himself look as much like a hypocrite as he's tryingo paint Kendrick as. His point about R. Kelly is pretty solid and it would be great... if he he hadn't already opened Family Matters with him shouting out. Chris Brown and The Game (Chuck T). Game has allegations against him right now and Chris Brown has repeatedly gotten abuse allegations thrown his way by different women for years. Very little has been proven, but it is definitely tone def and comes off as saying "I'm not an abuser, I'm just friends with some."

[@Iserpesnod]

Hi, first of: big thanks for that message, you did your thing here and I, as much as other members of the community in the comment section, highly appreciate even more context added everytime! As for the first part: You saw that I didn't adress Not Like Us much, and I even mentioned that Kenny masterfully portrayed how much of a "poser" Drake was, maybe I should've specified "cultural poser", but that's exactly what I meant. Why didn't I get into it more? Couple of reasons, first - I wanted people to just appreciate the storytelling, it was seriously amazingly done, Kenny basically laid everything down when it comes to that history in a track, which is pretty insane. Second is that I didn't want to get into that too much because I'm not a part of that culture neither - as much as I follow...well, not even just hip hop or rap, music in general, and as much of American media as I'm consuming for years I'm still from the outside looking in, so I don't think I'd be able to convey it nearly as well as Kdot did, since he talked from the roots of his heart (see what I did there?). Other than that, there are some minor (don't confuse with A Minor) reasons, but those were the 2 main ones. Just want to say your comment also said it greatly, so you added this part to the video through your comment for everyone to see and get further informed, for which I once again salute you on behalf of the entire community gathered here. I understand that he called him a liar before, I'll even throw in my 2 cents - I personally think rap beefs nowadays focus waay too much on rebutting because of the internet and it ends up in one side usually playing defense and losing because of that for me - that's how I judge it for myself, just an opinion, the only accusation I said "it's weird he didn't respond" was the abuse allegation, because I think that's an exception and should be addressed verbatim in at least some kind of a one liner, it's way too big to just call it a lie and move on, doesn't make you look good (and that's what rap beefs are at the end of the day - "character assassination" attempts, not court cases) What you said about The Heart Part 6 is mostly true, yeah, but I don't think what you did there is fully fair - Drake's point wasn't that Kdot is despicable because he supported horrible people, it was the opposite - he meant to say that just because he openly showed support to criminals doesn't make him one either, and if it does then Kendrick is one as well. Chris Brown and XXX both plead guilty to the same allegation (among many others to be fair, even though sadly Chris Brown wasn't convicted), so you see the parallel there. Do I agree with that? If you're asking for my personal opinion, then both of them on some weirdo behavior with this one, Kendrick at least did it as a statement with R Kelly, I give him that, it's still weird and I'd never associate myself with someone like that but they're doing their own thing, both of them, even though Drake's one is more prolific since he openly signed and actively supports him to this day - still, this point does stand it's ground, it makes sense, I believe that. As a line it is a rebuttal. Appreciate you man, you know your stuff too, it's nice seeing people who also delved into something this much as well, makes me feel less insane for doing the same lmaoo. You a real one, shoutout to you!

[@tinamatthews488]

@@Iserpesnod Kendrick wasn't supporting R Kelly tho. He was protesting against bSpotify's bias censorship.

[@Haquize]

@@tinamatthews488also that wasn’t even Kendrick that said a single word to Spotify, that was Top Dawg… the point Top was making was that a lot of music from a ton of artists in all genres would need to be removed if Spotify wants to do do this, but only a very small selection were being looked at at that time. He was saying he’d see to it that all TDE music would be removed if they proceed, obviously including Kdot’s catalogue. Kendrick did not say a word about this at all, making Drake’s statements disingenuous at best.

[@MamaJayde]

23:35 he wasn’t convicted bc she would’ve had to testify in court. I don’t blame her; I would’ve been scared, on top of never wanting to see him again anyways. The justice system doesn’t give victims justice. I believe her, and he’s guilty in my eyes. Any time I’ve gone to police over sex crimes, it always ended with them telling me there’s nothing they could do. Police are trash and have no training regarding talking to people, much less victims. I *always* hate talking to them, because you just have to live it over again, but this time you get blamed for getting hurt. Court is fucking bogus and time consuming, and if you’re too poor for a lawyer and have to go with the state, they barely talk to you for 5 minutes to ask what you want to happen to them before the judge calls your case. You still have to see this asshole the whole time, and there’s no telling if they’ll antagonize you or not. It gets confusing, and you lose the will. It doesn’t feel worth it. Even if he goes to prison, that won’t change him. If anything, it’ll make him worse and he’s still a danger to others bc only so many people believe you in the first place. Sorry for the rant, but a lack of charges means nothing in regards to someone’s innocence. I felt a little triggered. Perps get off every day; it’s easy when people don’t believe us.

[@Iserpesnod]

Hello, first off all - sorry it all happened to you, I feel disgusted by the system around you not giving you proper help. There's absolutely no problem with "ranting" - that's what the comment section's here for! Not to mention you added a very valuable perspective to something I said. I understand how triggering this could be, but I do want to point out that I did mention it doesn't mean much that he wasn't convicted! I'm not going to tell you to watch that part again, because I don't want you to be understandably triggered, I'd love for you to just go about your day without recalling these horrible things because of a video, so let's not do that, instead, I'll quote what I said regarding that "...which, you know, with rich artists it doesn't really mean much..." - afterwards I said "it gives them at least A LITTLE more credibility" and then I called him a "most probably horrible person" - I specified "rich" because I'm well aware of the court system being insanely unfair and favoring rich people, because without money you basically can't do anything - I talked about Travis Scott MONTHS ago and mentioned there that just because the families didn't press charges doesn't mean much, since he just threw money at them - here it could be the same. The allegation against Drake was that he's a "h*man trafficker" and has those connections, but that was never proven (yet? maybe, who knows) so that's why I had to specify Baka is not that. This entire video is centered around "simulating a court case", obviously in an entertaining and fun way instead of it being fully serious, so I presented known facts, not personal opinions or (albeit VERY possible) speculations of mine - even though I did somehow mention personal thoughts, like about baka, because I too think very lowly of these kinds of people and just because "pimping" is normalized in that culture doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked down upon and isn't a horrible abuse of power, I stand by that. Again, I'm really sorry it triggered some really bad memories and you felt misrepresented, I also agree that cops are not treating these cases and victims in general nearly seriously enough - I genuienly feel horrible these things happen daily, and I sincerely hope you're doing fine through all of this. I want content to be a fun break from reality even while it talks about some really horrendous topics and even while we can get something real from it, so I'm sorry this wasn't that for you. I at least hope the video overall was fun, I agree that I should probably add a line or two in that baka section to not let people get it possibly confused, I just thought me talking about it more (after already stating my personal opinion) wouldn't fit the whole court case theme. Hope you have a great day despite that, you're very strong and I'm really thankful that you decided to share your own perspective with all of us!

[@joshuawilliams8252]

​@@Iserpesnod Just going to point out that pimping is legally considered human trafficking in the US and possibly Canada. It's not a whole ring, but yeah... Baka would've been considered a human trafficker legally if those particular charges weren't dropped. And that doesn't look good for Drake because he's been on record showing Baka as being a close friend.

[@Iserpesnod]

@@joshuawilliams8252 Yeah, baka was his bodyguard wayyy back when Drake rose to popularity through his music, and good - good that it is considered as trafficking, but we can't deny that it is a "trend" in the industry that's almost comparable in size to the "gangsta" movement back in the 90's - it's illegal, it's immoral, it's disgsuting, but many millionaires flex it like it's something great and gives them street cred, yet they're not getting called out nearly enough. Baka isn't defendable and I'd never associate myself with him in that way (or any other, other than calling him out), but if we'd play the game of "whose circle did pimping" then most modern mainstream rappers would've been outed, that's just facts

[@MamaJayde]

@@Iserpesnod you’re the best! I genuinely appreciate you giving me your time, and the space to express my experience and opinion openly, without disdain! I did watch the rest of the video, but I think I was a bit too blinded by emotion to hear you. I was trying to put you in a box with victim blamers and perp apologists. You did nothing wrong, and it’s not fair for me to basically chastise you for a difference in opinion, or your expression of that opinion. I think I got defensive, because immediately giving perps grace feels almost criminal until I take the time to consider how my feelings are influencing me. There is no solid evidence for trafficking; there’s just not. There’s different people giving stories about Drake’s whole “Tinder” situation, but nobody specifically saying Baka had anything to do with it. I think looking into his cases and hating Drake for a good decade influenced my disdain for Baka; I felt like grace should be given to them as an afterthought, and that’s definitely not a fair or reasonable ask, especially with your video setup. Innocent until proven guilty; you were fair. The immediate grace for him was basically cotton in my ears, so what you said after didn’t get a chance to reach me. That’s my fault, and I don’t need or expect the world to accommodate. That being said, the fact that you acknowledged and respected my experience means the world. It actually makes giving him grace, whether deserved or not, much easier. Great video, and you’ve got a follow from me just cuz you seem pretty cool. I wish you the best, and I’m excited for more content :)

[@Iserpesnod]

@@MamaJayde It's absolutely normal to have an emotional reaction regarding such topics, please, don't blame yourself for taking a defensive stance in any way - what truly shows your character is the ability to reflect, take your time, come back to it and then judge things more fairly - I said you're such a strong person and I stand by that, that's very admirable! That's what we have influence over, emotional states are sadly not something we're really controlling, especially after traumatic experiences, so I think it's best to judge individual character through the lense of what we do afterwards! I now better understand how you heard it "The immediate grace for him was basically cotton in my ears, so what you said after didn’t get a chance to reach me" - I fully grasp this now, especially since it was in spur of the moment and didn't immediately strike as "this is his actual opinion, while what he said before was a cold, objective take", I just went over that part quickly because I felt like it doesn't fit the video yet I really wanted to say it, because I never want to present these kinds of cases as "yeah, simply innocent" without adding any context, I also believe that's disingenious and harmful, even though technically I was just responding to the trafficking accusation. I didn't want to portray the man as "innocent" when he just isn't and I don't think of him "well", to say the least. Welcome to our community! Glad to have you here, thanks once again for sharing your own unique perspective, for being you, and now for becoming a part of what we do on here! Much more to come!

[@ashyshre]

14:53 wasnt whitney at the kendrick concert with their kids?

[@Iserpesnod]

She was, great catch! Majority of the audio was recorded around a month before the release of this video, I didn't add that one in, but you're right!

[@Iserpesnod]

We back like we never left Also I'd love to hear your own conclusions after watching this video, as always! Also I promise I'll be much more consistent now, this video took me a literal month, I'm not even capping, I worked on it everyday, whether for research, recording or editing - it was something I really wanted to make but Gah Damn it was God's Plan to make me go insane over Drake...and Kendrick, his name is tougher to rhyme with, but you get the point. I'm obviously really tired from this topic so other than your comments and opinions I'll take a break for following these topics. Everything is credited in description, if I missed ANYTHING then please, you're more than welcome to tell me - I'd be grateful! Most importantly, hope you had fun watching! You'll get more of my videos now, I'm so sorry for you

[@theokennoniii2129]

From what I've learned the age of consent in Canada is 16 with a 15-year- difference and there is a lot of evidence of Drake having parties with 17 year old models on his yachts in Dubai and Ibiza

[@Iserpesnod]

Maan, I don't even care about Canada laws for age of consent - the fact it's with girls that AREN'T adults is gross, disgusting and should never be a thing either way, but I get why you said it - it's regarding the "prison time" thing. I didn't see things about those yacht parties, it's not official that anything "illegal" happened, but proof of gr@@ming is enough to make ones blood boil, and there's plenty of that around. Even if nothing happens in these alleged yacht parties, he could be "scouting them for the future" which I think everybody agrees is way too weird and straight up criminal, but that's just one of many theories given all the context clues suggesting such horrible things

[@mangowithagun7900]

An amazing, well-researched, and unbiased video. One thing that I would like to correct is that in Euphoria, Kendrick wasn't attacking Drake because he was biracial, but more because he would put on a caricature of the black identity when it benefited him rather than be his authentic self. To prove this I'd like to call attention to Meet the Grahams, where Kendrick refers to Drake's son Adonis as a black man, though Adonis appears much lighter and more white-passing than his dad. And also that J-Cole himself is mixed, though we've never seen Kendrick display any serious animosity towards him. Great video either way, keep up the good work 👍

[@Iserpesnod]

You're absolutely right! I think that's the one thing I tip-toed around a bit too much, I should've put a sentence or two more about that whole thing, I just avoided the cultural angle even though it was a real (and fire tbh) allegation on a massive scale because of the fact I'm not "from the inside" myself - but I know about the whole "blackface incident", about the "accents", and about many other...peculiar instances (associating oneself with different cultures "out of blue", etc), it's a real thing and I just decided to let Kendrick cook on his own with "Not Like Us", because I didn't think someone from the outside could put it better than him. And yessir, that's what I do on here! I like to dive deep into some topics instead of spewing the same repeated mantras everytime, it's fun and there's a lot to learn from it - it's always valuable to look at things from a bigger picture, but I know it can be hard becuase we all have our biases, so sometimes I'm trying to help others with that! Appreciate you a a lot for the compliments, as well as for adding further context regarding the culture vulture angle for everybody to read up on, you're a real contributor on here and nobody can take that away from you!

[@mangowithagun7900]

@@Iserpesnod It's nice to see someone properly educate themselves on this topic while also acknowledging that they're just a spectator and don't have much skin in the game. New subscriber 👍

[@Bubbagum-xj7by]

I think that’s wishful thinking of some of his fans but many fans don’t agree with you because they have been making to most racist remarks I’ve ever heard. Such as Drake showing off his father to pretend he’s a real black man😂. Drake is not acting like a black man …. He is a BLACK Man and he’s been rapping since he was a kid. He created his own style of rap and to be honest Kendrick did the same so I see him as a hypocrite and opportunist who is playing on our peoples deep rooted color issues.

[@ImJohnnyMajor]

Even though I do have Kendrick bias, him cheating on Whitney is scummy. I don’t think that should be a hot take lol

[@Iserpesnod]

Hey man, some of those fans are crazy lmaoo (even though i did say it in a joking matter - I don't want to believe most people would ACTUALLY think it's a hot take) Even Kenny himself portrayed it as absolutely scummy - it's fine calling people out, even if you actually like them. Some people acting like their favorites can do no wrong and can't be called out by anybody ever, which is wild to me

[@chynawov4879]

Didn't he he say that on damn and Mr. Moral that he had a sex addiction and Whitney left him because he cheated? He said that on DAMN right?

[@Iserpesnod]

@@chynawov4879 Interesting question, because the answer is kinda both "yes" and "no" at the same time, at least in my opinon - he definetly talked about his sex addiction couple of times before Mr. Morale (including Damn. where the entire premise of this album was kinda centered around "Yin Yang" concept of himself), but I don't think he ever stated Whitney left him - I said in the video that they were on and off sometimes and as far as I know that was the consensus around Kdot's fans back then - that he talked about sex with other women WHEN HE WASN'T WITH WHITNEY (during the "off" time in their relationship), as it later turned out after Mr. Morale dropped that wasn't the case though, and the reason they even were "on and off" was most probably because of him cheating on her, but that's just speculation. So to summarize - Him cheating on Whitney, as far as I know, was news to the public eye in 2022, at most it was just some unproven theory before that, but even that I didn't find (I actually found articles from 2017-2018 praising their relationship, saying it's "one of the purest ones in this business")

[@aarondx3764]

@@Iserpesnod I think on Mother I sober he said "But Whitney's gone by time you hear this song, she did all she could"

[@Iserpesnod]

@@aarondx3764 Right! But that's 2022, I mentioned it in the video too, Mother I Sober was basically Drake's basis for his biggest accusation

[@o.d4794]

well-made, comprehensive video. i loved it! i can tell you put a lot of effort into it, you gained a subscriber. keep up the good work

[@Iserpesnod]

Welcome to our community, I'm really glad you're a part of it now! I have to admit I really appreciate you acknowledging the amount of work I put in, since that's what I do - I don't ever want to put out a half assed product, I care about personal time of people who decided to watch me too much, not to mention I'm a total tryhard and a perfectionist if I care about something, and it just so happens that I believe we'll all grow this amazing community to the point where all of our voices will be heard on a massive scale, so I'll keep on trying for that goal, but most importantly also just for simple informational entertainment and comedy, since we all need more of that, with proper amounts of research on topics. Again, welcome aboard, you're here early!

[@o.d4794]

@@Iserpesnodabsolutely! i wish you all the best each step of the way. hard work pays off😄

[@user-lv6yg8qe8y]

He pleaded it down and the woman refused to testify see this is why everyone woman should have some men in their families that will crash out if another man touches you.

[@TheBolt2002]

Thank you for being unbiased 🎉❤

[@Iserpesnod]

I got you! If you like looking at things from different perspectives, not just one that "fits best for majority of people", then we honestly have that in common! Part of the reason I started making this video is because I was tired of the same jokes, same sides to this beef all the time on this platform, and I'm not saying this as a diss to anybody particular - it was just getting tiring to me personally, just hearing one side instead of getting the full picture. Welcome on board! Glad to have you here

[@rahbeeuh]

​@@Iserpesnodyou're an investigator at heart aren't you? It seems like you are. I'm investigative myself and tend to fall down many a rabbit holes 😂

[@Iserpesnod]

@@rahbeeuh I GOT CAUGHT REDHANDED, yes, we share that trait then hahaha. Doesn't help I was always drawn to detective stories ever since I was a child - the internet is just too powerful, I have too much "useless" information now

[@rahbeeuh]

​​@@IserpesnodLOL you have! I, too, have been drawn to detective stories since childhood. Nancy Drew, Hardy Boys, Boxcar Children, Goosebumps (more horror/sci-fi but some were mysteries), Harriet the Spy and a bunch more yet surprisingly I've not gotten around to Agatha Christie but it's on my list. One of my favorite shows is Monk. Indeed the Internet is very powerful. Hahaha I've said the same thing (regarding having too much "useless" information). I've been tryna get comfortable with audio so I could share some of it in a similar manner that you have. Maybe not video but definitely audio or podcasting. Ooh and Carmen Sandiego, Scooby Doo, and Batman were part of my intro to detective stories too. Good times 😁

[@Iserpesnod]

@@rahbeeuh You know what's hilarious? Christie's "one offs" were some of my very first "hooks" that made me realize "ok, I feel like I'll enjoy this genre" - so my kid self highly recommends! (haven't read one in so long...). Also fun fact: I was scared of Scooby Doo, years later I'm now terrified of "Velma" (for different reasons LMAO) so it really was a full circle moment for me... Just want to say that Sci Fi detective stories are underrated - they're underrated because I think they're way too hard to write properly, BUT if someone nails that setting it's fantastic and you can get so creative with it, it's insane! Also, now you GOTTA notify me whenever you start a podcast or anything like that - I'd love to listen to something like this in spare time! There's never enough fresh perspectives. Don't worry about starting, just try it out - even if you won't upload first attempts, you'll get comfortable enough once you'll begin talking to the screen - it may take a bit of time (it certainly took me at least, I even uploaded my very first attempts and it wasn't too pretty, and I'm not even talking about just terrible audio quality), but you got this!

[@dbz287]

Kendricks deal was actually 50%. But its out of conmtext. THe deal was when they were barely making money and top needed money to get black hhippy all to be stars. SO he wa gettign 50% but 50% out of crumbs. Im pretty sure this dela was renegotiated once the achieved their goal of making real money. And now kendrick is gone form the label. Even if it was true Kendrick was getting 50% from knedrick hsi whole career unitl now that he left...Drake was in an arguably worse situation lmao.

[@Iserpesnod]

The origin behind that 50% is interesting, I didn't know that before! As for the Drake deal I talked about it in the video, so yeah, I attest to that - it's proven info

[@caplowent.2719]

Writers or ghostwriters are not a thing in hip hop thats for pop and singers you cant be considered the Goat and someone else is helping you write in hip hop

[@Iserpesnod]

Old school mentality, I love that! With that being said I specified the difference between co writing and ghost writing, since nowadays every famous rapper credits people for the first one - as I mentioned, it doesn't mean that these people were writing with them, you could get credited for co writing if you just talked together in the studio and gave the rapper some random inspiration, or even if you just heard them out...with that being said you probably talked about Drake with the "Goat of hip hop" talk, and his ghoswriting allegations were proven so yeah, his case is different than just crediting people for "help" in the broadest way possible

[@Bubbagum-xj7by]

I’ve heard them say that what matters is just that you wrote your own bars. As long as your personal bars are yours than it’s cool. Drake hasn’t had anyone say they wrote his bars. And he wrote for so many artist that his pen is really not even questioned . Also if you listen to Elliot and DJ Hed to name a few, they say fans don’t understand the business and that this is more common than people think but they keep quiet because fans are all in their feelings when they know the truth. All artist collaborate at some point.

[@caplowent.2719]

@@Bubbagum-xj7by where have you been so you haven't heard whole reference tracks for his hit songs smh that's the verse not hooks

[@caplowent.2719]

@@Iserpesnod yeah that's true that people can give inspiration and get credit but they don't have whole reference tracks of the conversation we can go hear a whole reference track from a guy singing the hook and verse and his name is on the credits for the hit record. Now Idc how you word it in hip hop ghost writers or verse writers or person present with a pen writers it's looked down upon by real MCs always have been that's why it's a competitive sport it's about your pen your lyricsism your swag your charisma that what makes it different from other genres the competitive nature

[@Iserpesnod]

Both of you said some facts though - Drake was also co writing a lot of mainstream rappers songs, I actually agree that he can write too, but at the same time that's not the argument @caplowent.2719 was making, because I know exactly what he's talking about - search "Mob Ties ghostwriter" - it looks REALLY BAD and I don't condone this ish either, full agreement on this one, it is not hip hop like. This is not the only time it was alleged that Drake's reference tracks were leaked with audio proof, interestingly enough though this time it wasn't only Drake, as Future's one was also leaked at basically the same time, which brings me to another point: The argument @Bubbagum brought up also makes sense though, I researched about ghostwriters in rap quite a lot for this topic - I saw insiders speak about it (Bubbagum brought examples, there are many more having some subliminal messages too), I listened and watched some before making this video (like Cliff beats, more popular example) and found out that we'd probably look differently at a lot of them MC's if we knew the truth - a lot of them got some external help under the guise of a "collaboration" at some parts of their careers - I don't think that means they're automatically talentless, they still got to that point on their own and most probably still do work on at least some projects, but again, I don't think op was only attacking Drake, he specifically said he doesn't approve any of that from anyone, which is totally fair and definetly an active part of the culture for years - it has history, it's consistent. At the end of the day whether you follow the tradition or not personally is subjective - but it should be respected either way, no matter whether you move within its flow or outside of it

[@s.h5836]

It's not normal for rappers to have writers helping them. Also, it was never about him being bi-racial. It was about him lacking knowledge of Black American culture but he pretends like he does.

[@Iserpesnod]

Fair! I smiled at that one line that assumed Kendrick has problems with bi-racial people not because it was accurate (because it really wasn't, you can even tell just through this beef alone), it was simply just put in a funny way to me considering the general angle taken before and the fact it wasn't serious (to be fair though, it didn't seem like it tried to be taken too seriously either, more of a comedic jab, at least that's how I understood it), at the end of the day it's entertainment - even though some of the things said in the beef are true and despicable (as stated in the video). i praised this very angle Kendrick took when talking about Not Like Us, because he made it fully personal - he specifically targeted Drake and basically put a timeline of proof for his claims in the track, which is crazy work!

[@user-lv6yg8qe8y]

Kendrick did address it on the Breakfast Club .

[@user-lv6yg8qe8y]

There's no amount of money that would make me hide my child these aren't real women they are money hungry. Drake would have to take care of the child/ children anyway .

[@Iserpesnod]

That's a great and fair to everybody (including the child) mindset to have, I'm glad you think that way! That being said, it's sadly not always as easy - these insanely rich people technically hold all the power, they could even threaten women in worst case scenarios (absolutely not implying anything like this happened in this specific "what if" scenario, just saying it is a thing) - many of them just wouldn't want all the stress that goes with fighting against entire corporations, especially during pregnancy and early years of being a parent - thus they'd opt out to simply take as much money as they can get for silence and live in peace. Court cases are also extremely unfair when one side has the best lawyers and well...best everything (not mentioning extreme situations like: paying off the judge, which sometimes can happen), while other side has very limited sources because they simply can't afford more. Even Drake's baby momma faced a lot of scrutiny just from his fans before it turned out to really be his kid, and that's a very peaceful case all things considered.

[@da1onlynickvicious]

I don’t think you understand the ghost writing thing. No one give a fuck who’s credited or who’s not.. besides the people who want their residuals for cowriting. This is hip hop. You can’t have cowriters helping write your verses for a diss track. Period . You automatically lost . The semantics don’t matter at all. He had help.. writing in a battle. That’s zero tolerance,cardinal sin type shit . Ghost writing is just a catch all in this case that includes cowriting .

[@Iserpesnod]

Well, if that's the case then I'm not sure why you don't keep the same energy on the other side of the battle - look up "Not Like Us co writers" for example: it's on genius, the easiest way to find it, I'm simply stating facts there, I never said I'm exactly ok with it either - you can deny it, you can say it's not part of the culture (which I agree it wasn't originally), but that's the truth. So what matters now is how much of "co writing" really is happening, not that it happens at all. As I said in another reply here and in the video, just because someone is credited as a "co writer" it doesn't mean they wrote anything, they could just bounce ideas off of one another, they could even just listen to the rapper in the studio and they can get credited - those lists don't mean much because they're too vague

[@3serio]

I believe that R.Kelly thing was top dog, not Kendrick

[@Bubbagum-xj7by]

That was a really good breakdown of the evidence. I only disagree with a portion of your view on Heart part 6. I thought it was extremely clever especially coming after a pedophile accusation. I think the internet, more than just Kendrick kept trying to push this on everyone. I looked thoroughly through all the information out there and it was baseless. The women involved who could have easily kept quiet even came out for Drake. If they thought he was creepy they would have stayed quiet in my opinion. All these years as much as people stalk Drake, it would have resulted in more than just the photos I saw. Even grooming requires more interaction than what we’ve seen. We didn’t even see proof of a date. My take is from all the video footage of Drake I’ve seen is that he is a guy who can hold a conversation with anyone. He is drawn to all kinds of personalities, young and old and readily feeds off people’s energy and insights for inspiration. I don’t think it’s about sexuality. It could be more about creativity. That’s why he bounces on all kinds of music. If anything he is just a workaholic. The girl from Stranger things is a smart woman now . Some people just don’t fit the standard profile so people always think it’s sexual. For instance I know men who can sit in a room of a group of women and feel comfortable talking about anything and other men think you’d have to be feminine or trying to get at one of them. Other than that the heart part 6 spin was good to me because if someone kept calling me a pedophile I would also think they had some trauma. And after listening to that song, Kendrick did make it seem possible although not admitting it. He definitely had some deep trauma and people don’t always admit to being molested. He later said he hopes other men get help and deal with their trauma. No man would actually say it. Also if Kendrick hated pediphiles why would he support R Kelley, who was not accused but convicted of it. You mentioned that part I think.

[@Iserpesnod]

Glad you liked the video, I looked at the entire thing instead of just taking parts of it and choosing what I like and what I don't! As far as what you said about the heart part 6: it's certainly an interesting perspective. I showed the 17 year old who went public defending Drake on the screen, it was a brief thing that could be missed, but that's how I can fit in as much info as I could in this limited amount of time (my pc is basically not surviving these long videos as they are, lmaoo): that's why (well, one of many case studies, you get the point) I concluded that I'd NOT call him "the p word" (don't strike me down, youtube) over any accusation there, but I also stand by the fact that the evidence is very, very weird. I saw a lot of Drake's interviews for this video, and as you said he is a charismatic guy, clearly - with that being said, I can't agree that it's never sexual when he was seen being IN A RELATIONSHIP with Kylie Jenner, whom he knew when she was 16 and she was a big fan of his - again, he was in a relationship with her when she was an adult, hence he's not "the p word" for it, but it's just extremely shady, odd, and I can't not look at that evidence without calling it out, it's peculiar and talking about "boys" with kids that aren't yours is also just not right, teens are at a completely different point in life than adults and shouldn't have adult people, other than their parents, involved in any of that, especially when some had history of going out with Drake sometime after becoming adults, I stand by what I said there - you're right though that the evidence doesn't "prove" any actual EDP situation, if you know what I mean. As for the last thing - once again, it's an interesting opinion and I can't and won't say you're wrong for thinking that, at the end of the day it can be attributed to preference, I simply said there that I don't think something like this will ever make you look better and the opposition worse - maybe it's more of an opinion than most of the video (which was evidence and going over it), but if we look at the facts and nothing more then it was completely baseless and looked like a misunderstanding of Kendrick's records - which is a really bad look in a lyircal beef. Some people are just empathetic and saw some shit, so I think they would say they hope people will deal with their traumas because they see the pain of their surroundings, you don't need to experience it, just seeing it enough times would be enough for some. But yeah, from the perspective of accusations - it's just baseless speculation, hence why I called it out like I called everything else out fairly - when any statement doesn't have any real ground below its feet I said it every time, for both sides (because they're both "guilty" of that, not even saying that's necessarily wrong, it's just true), I simply followed the previously established by yours truly rules. Highly appreciate you voicing your own opinions here! The more perspectives we share and look at without having our minds closed, the more we can learn, so it's always valuable to have respectful discussions and own disagreements - it makes the world that much cooler, don't you think? Thanks!

[@bobbysayer5801]

Mate respectfully, fuck outa here with your bullshit, no matter how intelligent, understanding and well informed you try to make it sound. Thinking that x person has been molested as a child and then Making fun of x person for having been molested as a child, is only making sense to somebody with no respect and no human side, or just somebody immature who doesnt hold any values and is desperately trying to get at something, or somebody who is actually a groomer and thinks nothing of such matters…

[@Godzooky]

Children don’t know when they are being groomed. You think it’s normal for an adult non-family member to be texting a teenager about boys? You think it’s normal for an adult man to be come a fan of girls high school basketball?? When he found out the fan on stage was 17, he still groped her and kissed her and asked her why she looks like that. She said nothing inappropriate happened too but we watched it. I just know you don’t think it was okay for him to text teenagers and grope one in stage.

[@SeanLKearns]

Look up baby keem And the weeknd.

[@Iserpesnod]

I was gonna respond seriously and then saw your profile, I don't mind trolling, you do you my guy, you're welcome here : D

[@SeanLKearns]

@@Iserpesnod I'm sorry?

[@SeanLKearns]

I just figured you might be interested in those two guys bc. Theres more story there. But I understand you're new to American music, I wish you the best.

[@Iserpesnod]

@@SeanLKearns Haha, now I feel bad since I see this was a misunderstanding and you genuienly tried to educate me, which is actually very nice and I'm thankful, while I took it as a troll comment. Why? Well, because Weeknd was quite literally name dropped during this diss battle, I thought it's more than obvious I knew about that entire beef since I made this video. I didn't talk about Rick Ross or Kanye neither, and that's because this video focuses specifically solely on Kdot vs Drake, nothing else, I now understand why you could think otherwise though, I'm not new to American music! I know it may seem that way, since you know, my accent and all, but I listen to A LOT music every single day of my life basically, and a lot, if not a big majority, music on my playlist comes from American artists - that includes rap and hip hop as well. I apologize for the misunderstanding, you were just being nice while I took it as a funny comment and had a laugh at it thinking it's a bait. Thank you once again! I do know about their situation though, I know about their music as well!

[@SeanLKearns]

@@Iserpesnod😂 it's all live brother keep up the good work

[@Red_beansß]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Iserpesnod]

Ayy, glad it made you laugh! That's always one of my goals when making videos : D

[@MeatyOchre]

Tara pee seshin

[@ronstasYoutube]

I can't understand you very well

[@Iserpesnod]

That's tough then, are you a native english speaker? I'm asking only because I want to know what makes my accent or pronounciation not only different, but also almost incomprehensible to some - that's the first time I got a comment like that. Would appreciate the feedback!

[@obelic8550]

@@Iserpesnod you did a great job. I’m a native English speaker and I understood you.

[@Iserpesnod]

@@obelic8550 Thank you for saying that! I never got the "I can't understand you" comment before, so I didn't know whether this could ever be a problem to anyone. Maybe OP is not a native speaker and different accents throw him off, I know that can be a thing. Either way I'm cool with comments like these, but if they don't tell me what's the reason or...anything really then it's not gonna help, hence I asked for more information, so thanks once again! Without any explanation for op I'm just going to assume nothing's wrong.

[@adamfrancourt8631]

Second native english speaker here. Even though you have a strong, distinctive accent, you also have a wonderful and intentional pronunciation to your words, as well as a broad vocabulary. I found it quite charming. This is the first video of yours I've watched, but I found it very enjoyable. Thanks! @Iserpesnod

[@Iserpesnod]

@@adamfrancourt8631 Thank you so much man, that was honestly so nice of you to say, I appreciate it! I very briefly mentioned in the video that I'm a writer, and majority of my private work (since actual work wise it's the opposite) I write in english, so I spent a lot of time just glued to the dictionary as if I'm the most boring, npc like person alive lmaoo, but now I at least don't have to be repetitive, so my presentation (at least vocabulary wise) can differ from the snooze fest of a story about some dude checking vocabularies randomly while writing things - it allows me to make it more interesting. As for the accent - I'm also really glad you find that enjoyable as well! Last BUT not least - Welcome to the community! Hope you enjoy your stay here and welcome on board, this will be an empire so you're here pretty early I'd say...that's something to be proud of : D