How Disney’s Crossover-Spinoff Sitcom Killed a Franchise

[@monnettie]

Ok so this is just a theory but I think the writers of Mighty Med planned to have Oliver and Cass have combined powers that only worked when they were touching. They touched the relic at the same time while holding each other, their powers activated when they hugged, and in the final scene of Mighty Med they were flying side by side with their arms touching. Kinda disappointed they didn’t go with this since it could’ve made for some interesting moments/ character arcs.

[@KeyanCarlile]

OH. That’s such an interesting point. Their powers only activating when they hugged in the season finale! WOW.

[@JDM-is-my-name]

I bet the reason they changed it was so they didn't have to deal with the possible implication of Cass and Oliver dating, since most people with parallel/depend powers are siblings or dating. It's fine as a series ending, because you don't have to deal with the implications, but in a continued show, you'd probably have to explain how and why Oliver and Cass are ok/not OK with being together, all the time, forever or else they have no powers

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

@@JDM-is-my-name Like in Best Friends Whenever.

[@OshawottLuke]

I knew they fruity

[@Brewart2012]

@@sacrificiallamb4568 I was literally just thinking that! Keyan should definetly review it

[@shaykhmhssi3246]

I might be in the minority here but I feel like Bree trying to give herself more powers was out of character. She's the bionic teen who most resented not being able to have a normal life. She finally has the chance to not be a bionic hero full time, and take the chance to have a life outside of being part of the team like she's wanted to do. If anything I'd expect Chase to be the one who tries to give himself more powers. He's the one who asked Douglas for more abilities to help him be on even footing with Adam, he's one who's powers most influence who he is due to having more passive abilities like super intelligence and super senses.

[@taco_boi1167]

oh i agree entirely, i think she was written so out of character. it sucks since they could've explored that side of her more--and maybe her and skylar would clash over that since skylar doesn't have hers

[@coreythepeanut]

Yeah, they kinda had a really good setup, and they messed it up

[@captainzachary2477]

I also personally hated it when she touched the pyramid thing. I’m also realizing now Bree gave herself plot powers, because now she can do anything.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Yeah that was completely out of character

[@pizzapower3166]

I mean, bro. Ur Sonic and Flash. What more power do you need?

[@atruepanda1782]

I love how the writers of Mighty Med made Skylar Storm a worse version of Starfire, and then the writers of Elite Force made her much worse Raven.

[@destrojer124]

Accurate.

[@lethumthiyane5245]

I didn’t think of that 😂

[@gokairedwillcipher]

The irony of Rachel in Titans getting her powers taken away then when she got them back they were a different color and Gar is Riker. Literally.

[@Finally_in_reverse]

It's very clear the writers wanted the audience to LOVE Skylar, but how they shoved her in our faces, glorified her, gave her the undeserved screentime she didn't deserve was so painful. Which sucked cause it actually made me hate Skylar. Like seeing her on screen genuinely made me upset. It was very clear the writers had a favorite character that was so painfully obvious

[@zacharynguyen7286]

Skyler was cool in mighty Ned

[@DUELISTKlNGDOM]

tbh the most unforgiveable part is how much skylar is BUTCHERED. like i had no horse in the race but seeing how the girls are even STYLED the same is driving me insane. literally they both had such distinct styles (down to skylar preferring flats and even outright SAYING she'd never fight in heels) and the girls are just. somewhat carbon clones of each other with their powers the same, their styles the same, and one shot of them sitting side by side has the same goddamn hairstyle. they took away everything that made skylar unique and interesting. it is insane to see.

[@hithere2972]

The Lab Rats writers are HORRIBLE at writing girls, they just argue and fight all the time cuz that’s just what girls do apparently

[@decimalcactus1902]

@@hithere2972 I don't think they were horrible at that, I think they were just part of an isaue that made the show not great.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

I didn't like Skylar in this series as much as the original show

[@orngcreator6115]

Yeah it really comes across as sexist the way they treat the only two girl characters. They’re both just “generic girls!” but now the one from the failed show gets to be put at the bottom of the totem poll and made fun of. It’s genuinely kind of gross the way they treat the two as afterthoughts. Like they could’ve made Oliver becoming creepy towards Skylar be interesting by having her use her proactive personality call him out and take no shit from him but it’s like the writers didn’t even consider how she’d respond. So instead of it being a character interaction it just becomes a thing that happens every episode for no reason.

[@Finally_in_reverse]

Skylar was done dirty while also being favored by the writers. I hate how much they basically shoved her in our faces screaming "DONT YOU JUST LOOOOVVVEEE SKYLAR?" while glorifying her. It also butchered Oliver's character by making him his stalker that was obsessed with her to the point where it was so freaking creepy. Cause isn't Skylar just *THAT* amazing????

[@sparktaylor8489]

Fun Fact. Tyrell Jackson Williams and Spencer Boldman (Leo and Adam from lab rats) Weren't able to be in Elite Force because of back problems Because of how hard they carried Labrats. Not even Adam has enough strength to Carry that without strain

[@thatomanaka323]

Facts bro they carried lab rats 😂😂😂😂

[@faultyvideos2215]

Didn't someone else make the same joke in the Lab Rats video?

[@marlonclark1896]

they carried lab Rats and without them there in elite force the show just didn't budge well without them

[@romanmarshman8214]

you had me in the first half

[@super_pig103]

@@faultyvideos2215 yes they did

[@AceWolf456]

“How bad is Elite Force?” “There are only 18 speaking characters in Elite Force.” “Oh, that’s real bad.”

[@cjaymeme]

That number is so comically low that it sounds like a joke. But this is the hell we live in, so it's not.

[@cureidolsmile9820]

That makes me feel much better about the amount of characters I’m writing

[@rosesske2551]

I've seen local theatre productions with more characters than this.

[@antonymilne1346]

18 speaking characters... over 16 episodes... oh hooo buddy it is most certainly that bad

[@TonyTita]

Yikes 😬

[@ItsGemystic]

Lab Rats: Elite Force successfully gaslighted me into thinking the hospital getting destroyed was part of the Mighty Med finale despite having watched it, and I'll never forgive them for that.

[@benapeh854]

YES. I was wondering if I had missed some episodes.

[@JDMaverick6714]

You’re not the only one dude 😢

[@niggaphobe]

LMFAOO SAME

[@revanius2213]

The fact that one of the main antagonist's actors was a martial artist and they had him just turn into a dust cloud every time was something I found irritating.

[@bot6089]

Yoo wasn't that Mike from Supah Ninjas?

[@cass12234]

@@bot6089 yes, and Hiro from Big Hero 6

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

​@@bot6089yes another great show that wasn't finished

[@kingpen5866]

The fact that you said the fact that shows the fact that you didn’t really need to say the fact that

[@andregardiner3071]

And the fact that they had boo-boo Stewart someone we’ve seen fight in kickin it and twilight

[@weegee05]

I always looked at Lab Rats (2012-16) more as the story of Leo, him going from a goofy main character to probably one of the best developed characters in the show. When they removed him and Adam, it just felt like the main purpose of the show was gone, and replaced with something no one really wanted. I love the darker tone of Elite Force, but it could’ve easily been handled better, I would’ve brought over Adam and Leo as well, OP team, for a MASSIVE threat!

[@cass12234]

Can we just appreciate Principle Perry for a moment. She went from supposed to being the most hated character to being the comic relief we needed

[@Phanthief95]

It still surprises me that she’s also the English voice of Naruto.

[@destineefaire2736]

@@Phanthief95 whattttt

[@chill7056]

@@destineefaire2736 yeah i was suprised too

[@j.26]

Right like. When I was little watching This I was like “ugh perry 😒” now I’m like “OOOO PERRY😃😃”

[@thatguy597]

Hated?! I never hated her! If this show got more love she would've been one of the most iconic Disney XD character.

[@mr.barcode3186]

The single most disappointing aspect of this "show" (I hesitate to call it that) is the fact that the supporting casts from both Lab Rats and Mighty Med never meet. The closest we get is Perry meeting Skylar once. Imagine Horace butting heads with the Davenport brothers, or Wallace and Clyde running a superhero underground railroad with help from Eddy, or Alan getting exasperated over Bob's stupidity. The possibilities are endless, and we get none of that.

[@XX-sh9zb]

EXACTLY! I WANTED TO SEE ADAM, LEO, ALAN, HORACE, AND MANY OTHERS IN ELITE FORCE! THAT WOULD'VE MADE THE SHOW BETTER!

[@reptile1687]

so what youre saying is, this was one of the least ambitious crossovers ever

[@jarrodedson5441]

@@reptile1687 yes exactly

[@Pellz]

This easily couldve been one of the best Disney XD live action network shows with proper structuring and writing. All u have to do instead of this roman and ryker nonsense have olivers mom be the villain along with rodicios. Have chase actually be smart make Bree stop making careless mistakes and it wouldve been amazing. Imagine Caz and Oliver finding Horace and Alan still alive in a scene

[@MichaelJacksonVideos260]

I was hoping we'd get Chase calling Leo and Adam and a bionic/superhero civil war with the Academy Students vs the Shapeshifters.

[@nateds7326]

In all fairness, Chase reflexively using his bionics to calculate the odds of his team winning the no powers competition is a pretty funny and clever joke.

[@afellowpotato]

I'm just replying so you can see how much likes you got

[@nateds7326]

@@afellowpotato thank you kind sir or madam

[@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185]

His bionics effect his intelligence. The only way he could win is by not using his brain

[@raideranimator6091]

@@afellowpotatowell, potato man, another day, another victory.

[@xapokalypse]

Made me chuckle. One of the few good lines

[@thevillanonyan]

One of the weirdist things about Oliver's characterization is that even in Mighty Med when he was being a bit weird, not only was it addressed but also he was a young child. In Elite Force all of the kids are in their late teens and look like adults which automatically makes Oliver's actions seem so much more sinister, as he can no longer use the excuse of not knowing how to properly express himself.

[@taco_boi1167]

you just explained exactly why his character doesn't sit right with me in ef

[@jbcatz5]

Sort like how Lab Rats didn’t know how to transition Leo enough out of his early persona despite visibly being older by the final season, too old to be the audience perspective character?

[@shaykhmhssi3246]

It's also more understandable early on in Mighty Med because of the fact he initially knew of Skylar as a comic book character. Even if that didn't justify his actions it at least explained them. At this point they've been friends for years so the behavior makes less sense now.

[@MinhTran-qe3nj]

How I see it, the writers wrote for Jake Short ant farm characters Fletcher instead of his mighty med characters Oliver. Fletcher was always characterized as stupid is obsessed with getting with the female lead, China. My guess is maybe the network may have requested it or that the writer saw a couple episodes of ant farm and decided to use that instead.

[@zeinobeid6810]

This also happened with gus in mighty med. The older the actors get the older their writish should seem.

[@Cjaj2]

the thing that infuriates me the most about this show is rather than having the best of both worlds with lab rats and mighty med, you have the worst of both and its flaws are only amplified because of how much the two shows clash

[@opal9583]

20 minutes into the video and I already hate it so much

[@kendrillion7281]

More like the over exaggerated praise of one show and the intentional downgrade of another

[@SunSeeker492]

Thanks for pointing out the flaw literally everyone has with the show.

[@Victoria-_]

THIS!!

[@kieranstark7213]

I guess we can all say that Lab Rats: Elite Force is to Disney as Sam & Cat is to Nickelodeon. Because who knew crossover series could be the weakest series of the franchises, right?

[@0average_enjoyer044]

that million dollar freshman segment really put things into perspective. the reason why bree was never a character was because she was never MEANT to be a character. think of the thematic harmony of “adam and brad”. two brothers, a and b, one super strong but dumb the other super smart but physically weak. this two person dynamic doesn’t really have room for another person in any way shape or form, but instead of thinking about it they just shoved a girl shaped non-character in between them

[@0average_enjoyer044]

now here’s the thing, there are 2 hypothetical ways they could’ve filled that hole but neither of them would’ve worked for a number of reasons. the first thing you have to consider is that these two aspects (strong and smart) ARE actually a part of a triad. that triad being “body, mind, and soul”, the three aspects that classical philosophers believed made up the human existence. now there are 2 ways they could’ve hypothetically included “soul” but really neither of them would’ve worked in any way a) let’s call our hypothetical 3rd million dollar freshman “cassandra” and let’s say her soul related power is that she can see ghosts. you can already see why this wouldn’t work right? if not i’ll tell you. it’s because if she can see ghosts, the story immediately stops being about super powered robo-teens living with their new step brother and immediately becomes “wait a minute, this teenage robot can see ghosts!”. not only is it convoluted and too high concept, it also means that to justify cassandra’s existence, you would need to have every episode with her involve ghosts and to be honest, i don’t trust disney to make “bleach but with robot teenagers”, let alone would i trust them to make normal bleach b) now this is the interesting one in that it could work, but it absolutely wouldn’t. if you remember the last comment, you’ll remember that adam and brad both had powers and lacked what their other brother had (adam was strong and dumb, brad was smart and weak). therefore, it would only make sense that this 3rd child, cassandra, also lacks something related to her strength. now let’s also consider that another way of looking at the “aspect of soul” is as a person’s emotions and memories. therefore, the only way for cassandra to really make sense would be if she was a robot with the power to control emotions, *but the inability to feel them*. have you figured out the issue yet? if not, i’ll tell you. that character that i just created would be the kids show version of JOHAN LIEBERT FROM MONSTER. aka, one of the most evil villains in any piece of media. a character being born with great power (especially emotionally manipulative power) and no emotions is a one-way ticket to making them an insanely powerful and evil supervillain. the only way for cassandra to work in this case would be if she was introduced as a villain and then given a lengthy redemption arc where she learned what it meant to be human, which would both be amazing peak fiction potentially, and also WAY ABOVE DISNEY CHANNEL’S PAY GRADE. there is no feasible way lab rats or ANY show on the disney channel could’ve made an psychological anime-ass character like that work in any meaningful way without completely butchering it so yeah… they should’ve just kept it as adam and brad

[@Chandelier175]

I like bree

[@TheFormerPresidentsDenim]

I wonder if instead of adding in a third sibling for the “girl” character, they could’ve just had the character in Leo’s place be a girl. It would make for an interesting dynamic to have an all-girl and all-boy household combine, plus a tomboyish black female lead would be a protagonist type that I haven’t really seen in Disney up to this point. Only thing is that then we wouldn’t have gotten Tyrel Jackson Williams’s performance.

[@nyhtfall1969]

While I like Bree she always felt like an after thought to me she's sorta just there alot of the time elite force makes it painfully clear and does no favours for her

[@pearline4684]

@@0average_enjoyer044i think soul can be added in more ways: reading minds, telepathy, maybe even mind or memory control, time powers like seeing into the future or even time travel etc etc the real question is what „soul“ would mean in character interactions: usually the strong but dumb and smart but weak characters have a dynamic where conflicts arise often. They are two extremes, the thirst party in those stories is usually a mediator. Aka someone who brings them all on the same level and who has to sort the other two‘s shenanigans out. Now that issue is: that’s a role usually filled by the main character or clear leader of the group, but Leo already fills that characterization. He might not act as a leader but he‘s the one bringing balance between the siblings because compared to the others he is more grounded in reality due to him not being (as) bionic. But that makes Bree entirely obsolete in the dynamic.

[@UJEvans]

For YEARS I have said that the main villain of Elite Force should have been Oliver's mom. It is the *only thing* that would have made even a little sense. Killing off superheroes falls perfectly in line with her motivations.

[@cass1832]

LITERALLY!! Why would they remove her as a threat so quickly? She could have been on a mission to kill off superheroes, and ALSO bionic children. Adam, Bree, Chase, and Leo could have met up with Kaz and Oliver after they ask for help fighting his mom, so she learns what bionic humans are. Then she makes it her mission to destroy them along with superheroes. So now Adam, Bree, and Chase have to work with Kaz and Oliver. Or idk something better if i had more time, but like that’s already so much more interesting than the show, and makes more sense.

[@NekoinaBox2000]

@@cass1832 it’s a Disney show not written by the mighty med team. That’s why. They didn’t care for the good narrative, they cared for THEIR narrative.

[@olicityfan1150]

I've never thought of that, but that would have made perfect sense!!!

[@auraof]

@@NekoinaBox2000 bro who do you think made mighty med?

[@Dave102693]

@@NekoinaBox2000 idk why the MM show runners weren’t on this show

[@valliniumguy2878]

I think the most telling thing is the fact that the show is called *Lab Rats* Elite Force. It was never about Mighty Med, it's a Lab Rats sequel and they're wearing that badge of mediocrity proudly. From the title alone you can tell where the focus lay and which half of the supposed crossover was getting shafted.

[@VeryTori]

They could have at least named it Mighty Rats: Elite Force, and the name would better show that the show is a crossover, that is, if the writers cared about making it a cross over. Such an easy way to combine the titles and they didn’t take it, oof

[@Gloomdrake]

@@VeryTori Mighty Rats and Lab Med

[@legitjustice]

@@VeryTori nah mighty rats doesn’t make sense and would have turned the audience off even more

[@ricniks4619]

@@VeryTori They likely used the Lab Rats name because it was the more popular & more well received show between the 2.

[@iamzombieo_o8660]

the mighty force would’ve been sick

[@captainchaos5705]

1:03:00 Okay there is no way in hell you can convince me that Kaz, the obsessive comic book nerd, would call those dolls and not action figures

[@TheRealSuperKirby]

Well I think Kaz is pretty chill about being a dork, and wouldn't care if he was caught playing with actual dolls, Chase on the other hand is super insecure and always has to look smarter or cooler than he actually is. Idk of this is accurate or not, I haven't seen mighty med in years other than this guy's video on it

[@DinoRicky]

Actually it’s 1:04:05 Just saying

[@captainchaos5705]

@@DinoRicky yeah I just wasnt gonna double check the exact time stamp

[@newmariobrothers4617]

You’re forgetting that the very next line he says “I’ve already lost that battle once” or something

[@mariajimenafigueroa233]

​@@captainchaos5705 They really butchered the Mighty Med characters

[@anotherpawn]

From only the title, it becomes pretty clear what this is, just another bionic island. The higher-ups noticed that "epic" stories with keystone episodes garnered a lot more interest than the school episodes so they got rid of all of that and just made the series about what was more popular. However, that took away the charm from the story (like if Spider-Man just was about a masked hero rather than the aspect of juggling his life) and meant that we kind of got repeating storylines with Crane and other generic villains. Don't get me wrong, Lab Rats always had very few supporting characters since anyone outside the main cast (except like Caitlin, Perry, and Janelle) never got any lines, which meant that we never really got attached to anyone else. This meant that changing locations wasn't really an issue since no one really cared about anything outside the leads, and that we didn't really lose anything in the switch. My main theory is that the creators of Lab Rats just assumed that Mighty Med was the same and that the viewers only cared about the teen leads, however, that series took it's time to build it's (albeit campy) world and a supporting cast of reaccuring characters. This meant that they thought we'd feel nothing when they killed Horrace, Alan, Philip and all of the others off-screen, but that really wasn't the case. The fact that they just offed the entire world and every single concept within it for a generic avengers rip-off is really disappointing, because it always seemed like MM was made with effort and care. Us getting no reference to the series with even worldbuilding terms like normos being disregarded speaks to them only reading the premise of MM, rewatching the crossover and then just taking the characters to combine the fanbases and get more viewers. Oliver, Skyler, and Caz feeling like caricatures of themselves also speaks to this. It's just another season of Lab Rats, there was no real reason to combine the two shows, the crossover is just a trick to get more viewers. They could replace the MM characters with Adam and Leo, and nothing would be different. We'd have literally the same end product, which makes the fact that the entire MM world had to be destroyed for this all the sadder. I don't really care about any of these shows and I wasn't that into them even as a kid, but I still feel sad that the MM writers (who made a legitimately good kids show with care and attention) had it taken away and bastardized for 12 episodes of terribleness (the worst fate imaginable for a writer attached to their product). Holy shit, I just wrote an essay on a show that I watched once and haven't thought about in year, where I glorified a show that I thought was mediocre (Lab Rats, the first 3 seasons, BI is trash) and a show that I thought was above average (MM). Great video, keep up the good work!!

[@beatsado6529]

i was about to say, you didn't need to write a whole english essay on a Keyan Carlie video

[@remib1199]

wow, this is so well articulated and i agree with everything you said. the irreparable destruction of the mighty med world was so disappointing and unnecessary.

[@anotherpawn]

@@remib1199 Yeah, it's really sad. Rather than just canceling MM and only making brief references, it basically closes the door on any spin-off or iCarly-style revival in the future since everyone are dead. MM is destroyed, every single superhero is just gone without a trace, and it sucks for the kids that grew up with this world and formed emotional attachments to it. I don't particulary care about the show but I feel sympathy for any writer that had to watch their work be erased because of this. Or any fan that had to watch something they like be destroyed.

[@anotherpawn]

@@beatsado6529 Lit-major. Can't help myself when writing a comment about a story.

[@Aster_Risk]

@@anotherpawn I enjoyed the mini essay despite having never watched either show. I only know anything about these shows because of Keyan's videos, and yet I still totally get what you mean.

[@gh0st_v0id]

lab rats: elite force made oliver so fucking creepy for no reason 😭like in mighty med he was just a kid with a crush on skylar, but elite force not only made him perverted but rewarded the behavior by having skylar actually date him??? like girl get a restraining order NOW!!

[@antonymilne1346]

If ever he went into creepy territory in Mighty Med, it was brought up and immediately ridiculed, as even Oliver realised he went too far and that he wasn't thinking clearly, in Lab rats, he's just creepy for the sake of being creepy for the funnies

[@mediocrecreampuff3847]

It reminds me of Jake Short's other character ,Fletcher from ANT Farm, kinda. Except Fletcher was 11.

[@supercjm3306]

@@mediocrecreampuff3847 Yup. Just like Oliver, Fletcher's crush on Chyna was Flanderized from "innocent crush" to "creepy obsession" by the end. Which then made it even less believable than it already was that Fletcher ends up with Olive by the end.

[@danielmorales6285]

My question is what’s with the writer’s making Oliver obsessed with Skylars knees why they give him a knee fetish did Dan Schinder secretly help write this

[@leahdavis9434]

@@supercjm3306 it was never that innocent, in season one he has a cardboard cutout and a life size replica of her

[@Dont_Skip6198]

For some reason I've noticed that the penthouse set doesn't have a fridge. And there's one scene in the show where Bree walks in on Kaz and Oliver playing "Topple the Tower" and she's holding an orange juice bottle and I'm like... "WHERE THE HELL DID SHE GET THAT FROM?" Literally, when I watched the show and saw the penthouse set, my first thought was, "where's the fridge?" And the funny thing is that the set not having a fridge was my first red flag about this show. And now I just realized that I spent ten minutes writing this comment about an odd low budget design choice.... But someone had to say something about this😑

[@KeyanCarlile]

That’s so funny. I never even noticed.

[@slim_streams]

You know it was during the "they're building a drone" line where it hit me; kaz and oliver had so many superheroes and friends just presumably horribly murdered. Their job and place of operations was destroyed, and the people responsible are just out there. And yet they're just doing casual hobbies. You really can't have a set up like that for a wacky disney channel sitcom it's insane

[@istoletheuwus4205]

RIGHT?!! They’re all just so careless they literally are so irresponsible and no one seems to care every one they love has been obliterated from existence (hence Kaz going back to the hospital ruins to drag Arachnia’s scalp out of the ashes for his sudden hoarding collection he now has a problem with I’m sorry but I officially lost my shit then the creator pointed this error out🤣🤣😭). Then when Skylar catches signs of humanity like idk GRIEVING after her home planet turns to shit everyone be like: ‘Oh no she’s starting to care about others like a normal superhero again quick let’s manipulate her back’ “ W E ARE YOUR FAMILY THATS ALL THAT MATTERS NOW LETS KEEP EFFING AROUND MAKING STUPID BETS ABOUT WHO’S MOST IMPORTANT ON THE TEAM 😄😄😄 ” Which you can paraphrase to ‘we’re the only people you have to care about’ The producers just went off the deep end with this one and I think they only did it for money which they failed because it looked like they just lost all passion and creativity with this one and the new production crew and writers underneath Chris Peterson were really bad at script writing.

[@MrRectangleman]

maybe it’s like a trauma response? like if something that horrible happened you gotta distract yourself sometimes

[@erickamakeeaina1649]

666 likes

[@Poussyeater-w5e]

I'd also argue that even Lab Rats at times had moments too serious for a PG13 sitcom

[@Jimbo20000]

Where’s the time stamp?

[@OhNoBohNo]

I'm sometimes flabbergasted at Disney Channel Original Series having the coolest sounding premises and just wasting it completely and utterly.

[@m56214]

It's Disney XD tho Disney Channel would have ruined it big time Disney XD was the place to be in the late 2000's and early 2010's

[@richardperaza5083]

Are you really shocked it Disney they disappoint a lot of people

[@michelleb9884]

A big part of why Lab Rats worked for me was because of the cast. They all worked well together and every character played an important role. Taking away most of the cast for this spinoff just took away the magic. Bree and Chase felt like random characters

[@karatemanjeff4099]

Tecton probably isn’t dead cause in the mighty med pilot they state that Techton’s powers are linked to the earth so if he died the earth gets destroyed

[@KeyanCarlile]

I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. Yo you’re RIGHT

[@Naiverine]

O.O

[@shamrockgaming9505]

Lorekeeper

[@anotherpawn]

Tecton always heals!

[@obliviongigan6360]

That cat lady is probably alive too considering one of her super powers was having 9 lives

[@JarredCarneyOFFICIALBULLDOG]

this dude has been blessing us all year with this kinda content

[@afifdzakwan2609]

for real, this is worth my 2 hours .

[@Minty1337]

no one asked for it, but everyone wants it

[@pepesilvia429]

@@Minty1337 at least once a week I get tired of watching short form content and search "unreasonably long video essays", so I'm asking for it.

[@jadenkuczek1906]

@@pepesilvia429 just watch movies

[@isaiahgotgame48]

ong

[@JustDoingReviews]

I personally think it is stupid that Oliver didn’t get Skylar her powers back

[@OshawottLuke]

I think I know why this show failed. First there was Lab Rats. Then Disney made Mighty Med which was like Lab Rats' little sibling. Then they made them have a baby. Elite Force was short-lived and a mess because it was an incest show.

[@somerandomgoblin2583]

The King Charles II of Spain of Disney sitcoms

[@cthulhutheendless1587]

“Incest show” I fucking love you

[@riffshe20]

That’s uh one way to explain it

[@AeonKnigh432]

The worst best metaphor I've ever heard

[@peachtea7269]

New favourite metaphor

[@mettatonex7221]

This show possesses a distinct lack of characters that share their fond appreciation for large structures designed for crossing bodies of water, vallies, roads, or rails. That's a bit of a deal breaker for me.

[@FedoraKirb]

why no bridge-likey man?

[@Houtblokje]

THEY HATE BRIDGES

[@zacharynguyen7286]

I MISS HORACE

[@madarchmage1151]

So, you're telling me that Chase build and programmed SIX different androids and ALL of them liked Kaz?! I honestly think that Chase is hiding something from us. I like this. Thank you.

[@bex1107]

I needed to see if this was an actual ship, so I went to ao3 and what do you know, it is the first ship that comes up when you type in mighty med😂

[@DinoandGalaxy]

Why did they like kaz I don’t get it

[@taco_boi1167]

@@DinoandGalaxy my friends and i joke that chase likes kaz and he's the one who programmed them so BAM they like kaz too. but honestly i have no idea what the show writers were doing FDJSFD

[@DinoandGalaxy]

@@taco_boi1167 OHHHH yeah man this show gets wild idek what’s happening, the ones that confuse me most are the Ensemble Stars writers what the hell are some of these lines 💀

[@lopez4059]

@@bex1107what is ao3?

[@therealslmccl]

I think one of the thinks that led to the failure of Elite Force was the fact that they didn’t include Adam or Leo-who were by far the most charismatic and lovable character from the Lab Rats series

[@cjaymeme]

It's like they took only the most cynical characters from Lab Rats and then hoped that combining them with the comparatively well-adjusted characters of Mighty Med would balance it out. Then, though, the cynicism bled into the characters from Mighty Med so everyone is back to hating each other. It's no wonder this series never got a second season. I'm just wondering how the pilot got through audience testing.

[@jbcatz5]

@@cjaymeme It’s a shame the MM characters were massively flanderised for it. The hospital setting allowed Katz to shine in his brilliant but lazy characterisation, and Oliver was more than just someone with a crush. A more long term attempt at integrating the worlds of bionic people and superheroes has potential, like trying to translate superpowers into bionic abilities or augmenting superpowered people to overcome a weakness or inherent biological flaw, but the powers, super and bionic, seem to be treated with far less consistency and respect by the people making the show. The stuff Donald invents wouldn’t be out of place at Mighty Med and seeing him interact with Horace would be hugely fun, and other character crossovers similar entertainment potential.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

I mean you can’t include an actor that doesn’t wants the job, lol. The thing is this show sets up a mass murder of the MM universe to justify smooshing these peeps together, which is fine. But they more interesting story line is looking into what took out MM and instead they just try to write an unneeded Lab Rats season 5. Which honestly was pretty complete by season 4. Complete enough anyway. MM had more lore worth playing with and an incomplete conclusion.

[@sashawaybright2698]

They're not ALLOWED to cancel this

[@jbcatz5]

@@TheDawnofVanlife There wasn’t a need to kill off the Mighty Med side, Kaz and Oliver could have been at Davenport’s tower as part of a collaboration with Davenport and Horace, to tackle the Mr Terror threat from both superpowered and bionic angles. The Rats were designed to do what no one else could in rescue missions, and a supervillainess would end up creating these kinds of crises if only from collateral damage. That’s how the team up starts. Oliver, Kaz and Horace know the Arcturion (the teens having been empowered by it) and can provide hands on help for Davenport to understand it while the remaining Rats and Skyler train the two new heroes. Of course this would require the show’s producers to have a basic familiarity with the Mighty Med show, so of course it’s not an option. Chase having to deal with Alan would have him begging for Adam.

[@lucygarrett9785]

Jake being in a role where he is in a creepy crush is not limited to this series, he often does some stuff like this in ANT farm

[@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets]

Talk about type-casting.

[@ricniks4619]

Well in ANT Farm he gets over his weird obsessive crush in the final season they even make it a point he is no longer a creepy weirdo where he tells China he means nothing to her & Olive even tries to manipulate him to see if he is telling the truth. while Lab Rats Elite Force doesn’t try that the staff likely just saw clips where Oliver is being a nerd blushing over Skylar & cranked it up to 11.

[@lucygarrett9785]

@@ricniks4619 yeah but the fact that for three seasons they made him be all creepy all the time kinda sucks for the actor

[@ArjunGupta-ye4by]

Jake was also in this really bad movie where the girl from Project MC Squared decides that she wants to have sex with Jake for "science". This is a real movie called Sex Appeal

[@mariajimenafigueroa233]

​@@lucygarrett9785 So Oliver became Flecther (Jake Short's character in A.N.T Farm)

[@Rat_64]

There’s an alternate universe where this show was called “Mighty Med: Elite Force” and the first episode had Bree and Chase saying that the Bionic Island was blown up with Leo and Adam dying off screen. Also both Davenports, all the Bionic students, Perry, Tasha, and all of the other Lab Rats characters died in the explosion but they don’t bring that up

[@Disney15ish]

I haven't watched the video yet, but the biggest issue I have is the nonchalant way Chase gets Skylar's powers back. Even back when it aired, it felt so ridiculous to me that Oliver could work in a superhero themed hospital for 2 years and find nothing, but Chase who doesn't even fully believe in superheroes is just "Boom, done" in one instance.

[@arlo_slater9009]

Chase is literally the smartest person alive. It makes sense

[@Disney15ish]

@@arlo_slater9009 As pointed out in the video, the "smartest person alive" doesn't know what a shapeshifter is...

[@KCS-ep7tv]

@@Disney15ish because shapeshifting isn’t a scientific term. It’s a super power

[@shaykhmhssi3246]

The "Chase doesn't get superhero stuff even though he's super smart" gag was overdone to the point of not making sense. Especially when most of the information he'd need is recorded in comic books and it's established in lab rats that speed reading is one of his powers.

[@ryancarson6962]

@@KCS-ep7tv Knock it off with that bullshit excuse. If *anyone* knows what the words "shape" (the external form of someone or something) and "shift" (to change) mean individually, something the "smartest man alive" should know, then they would know what the conjoined word *shapeshifter* means. It doesn't matter if it "isn't a scientific term", anyone with a half a brain cell could put those two words together and understand the meaning of it, something Chase of all people should be able to do.

[@GuyThatLikesYohane]

watching your review made me realize how many lab rats elite force episodes literally can have there plot boil down to "character A gets jealous of character B" like literally the elite force is more of a villan to each other in this series then the actual main antagonists.

[@RednBlackGamer]

I never realized how big the Lab Rats/Mighty Med fanbase was this whole time. This was my childhood and I've watched them for so long, and after having no one else I have ever known even remember or know the shows I feel good about this.

[@tonyaduckett4082]

I know no one I know knows anything about them

[@richardperaza5083]

Honestly I didn’t watch the show on it’s original run bc I didn’t know Disney XD was another channel and thus never saw Disney XD shows until Disney+ was a thing

[@Nazza_Bazza]

Fr I thought no one knew what Mighty Med was, it was literally my fave 😭

[@TonyTita]

I watched it throughout 2016

[@SKippySounds]

Elite Force was literally like if they set up Thanos to be the big bad of the MCU, and then when we got to Infinity War they were just like "oh yeah we defeated him offscreen, trust us okay?"

[@cameronsitton501]

Also, they killed off all of the characters, except Hawkeye, Iron Man, and Bruce Banner so that they could team up with Batman and Superman in a crossover that was written by people who had never seen anything DC-related other than trailers for the Snyder movies.

[@jadenbryant9283]

@@cameronsitton501 and we don't see any other dc or marvel character aside from Jimmy Olsen and J jonah Jameson

[@Gloomdrake]

@@jadenbryant9283 can't believe they forgot that Jimmy Olsen got killed by terrorists in one of the Snyder movies. Unless Jimmy Olsen somehow returned

[@jadenbryant9283]

@@Gloomdrake they have a throwaway line saying that the hospital was able to save him or some shit

[@twotailedpikachu8491]

@@jadenbryant9283 And for the DC side, they make up a bunch of random characters that have never appeared in DC before or since

[@Just_Julia_]

I think the reason Roman and ryker’s storylines were cut short was because booboo Stewart (Roman) had to leave the show to film descendants 2. Looking at the release dates of elite force and D2 they were about a year apart but production wise it was probably longer (not to mention with the descendants franchise being a musical there’s a couple months for song and dance rehearsal) so Roman and ryker probably couldn’t be fleshed out villains because of D2 scheduling conflicts… not sure if that matters but it was just a thought

[@averyeml]

I KNEW he looked familiar! Love Booboo Stewart

[@nwut]

@TheGlassesPro no fucking way

[@skylerloggins4902]

@@nwut yes way ! That is the voice of Hiro !

[@SmrtPhonRtistCF]

@@skylerloggins4902 And Gar/Beast Boy in Titans.

[@jadenbryant9283]

@@SmrtPhonRtistCF I also remember him auditioning to play Tim drake at one point i believe

[@altsadhara]

Abigail Suarez knew the exact timecode of Kaz's siblings being mentioned but wrote Kayla instead of Kayce. So close to perfection.

[@antonymilne1346]

Lab rats and Mighty Med were both really great shows for teenagers and children, both had their strengths and weaknesses, which, coincidentally, where Mighty Med fell short Lab rats would excell and vice versa. So instead of combining their strengths to create an awesome show, they combined the weaknesses and became a shit one.

[@xxxchild_predatorxxx107]

Exactly

[@SuperT]

Something I noticed is that Lab Rats always felt the need to explain what powers people had and how they could be applied to each scenario whereas in Mighty Med characters would just use their powers. Like in elite force specifically Oliver says “I’ll use my super strength to bring down his capsule” and Bree goes “I’ll help you.” I feel like it should’ve gone like this Oliver: I’ll get his capsule *motions towards the stairs” Bree: Grab on *speeds across the room grabbing Oliver going upstairs and returning*

[@dizzydee6362]

If I had a nickel for every time a kids' TV network had an A-tier show that went on for too long, a B-tier show that wasn't nearly as good but still had a lot of charm and abruptly ended without a finale, and an F-tier crossover show that took the worst aspects of both shows and combined them into an unholy mess that only had one season, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice. ...Or something like that.

[@smaandre522]

Which other show are you talking about?

[@dizzydee6362]

iCarly, Victorious, and Sam and Cat on Nickelodeon. To be honest I think mighty med is the much more superior show but then it wouldn’t have fit with the joke 🤣🤣

[@klimmr]

@@dizzydee6362 What about Pinky, Elmyra and the Brain?

[@Pellz]

@@dizzydee6362 might med is so underrated.they even had a classroom set as opposed to a math test in the middle of the gym

[@TwoWholeWorms]

@@klimmr I read that as Elvira for a second and was _really_ confused xD

[@Im_Aware_I_Know]

I cannot get over how in every scene these teens are wearing 3 inch chunky heels. Adults don't wear heels around their house and everyday, let a love crime fighting teens. That's been bugging me this whole time

[@chishiy4]

it's a disney channel show hope this helps

[@ThetrueripaH]

@@chishiy4you watched a 2 hour video essay about said Disney show! Hope that helps!

[@joj5150]

​@@chishiy4embarrassing

[@joj5150]

me too. and it must have been so uncomfortable too. I have bunions just looking at it.

[@hikakakaka4]

it blew so much ass to see skylar's whole arc and character go from learning to live without powers/coping with basically a disability to being reduced to "haha aren't all girls just so catty?" she helped 8 year old me cope with an autism diagnosis and seeing the lab rats creators completely miss the point of her character made me upset

[@ricniks4619]

Well like it’s said many times in the video the Lab Rats & Might Med staff very likely didn’t view the others shows they likely just got a simple rundown of what the character is like & they decided to write their own version based of what they were told.

[@reptile1687]

And they made her a gross alien that sneezes acid and has 14 toes

[@Ace-Of-Luck]

Skyler: Mighty Med hospital was destroyed Bree: Who would do something like that? Kaz: we don't know Me: There's a 10 page list of suspects, pick one

[@DinoandGalaxy]

Oliver’s mom for one

[@toxicdemon1315]

​@DinoandGalaxy Oh please, at least be realistic... *She's at the top of the list.*

[@Lumis_The_Lucario]

Bassicly every villain in that show that wasn't redeemed( like catastrophe) or killed (like the anilator)

[@mariajimenafigueroa233]

Bridgette (Oliver's mom) and/or the other villains that weren't killed or reformed

[@michel0dy]

In 1 hour and 45 minutes of video I was reminded that they were supposed to be finding missing heroes. I guess the writers had forgotten too...

[@jessealexander3346]

I'm completely convinced that this show was meant to take place AFTER Season 3 of Mighty Med, but they just got impatient and didn't think Mighty Med would make it that far. Which is a damn shame.

[@Dave102693]

Probably

[@SuperT]

Actually I’m entirely convinced that halfway through season 2 of mighty med some deal was struck that it would end after 2 seasons and the crossover show would start in 2016. If you notice the whole tone of the show changes when Oliver falls into the hole at the school and has the dream about the arcturuon and I’m pretty sure every episode from then until the finale had to do with that arc. Essentially leading up to Kaz and Oliver getting a powers so that they could be useful in Elite Force

[@Dave102693]

@@SuperT probably so

[@CyberJawa1986]

I just posted that always thought this was originally Mighty Med season 3 but since was the bigger show, they combined it and rebranded to lab rats elite force . It took more from Mighty Med than Lab Rats.

[@SSRheum]

The show was doomed to fail the moment they decided to merge the two shows together. Lab Rats main purpose was to do the work no human could do, if Superheros were established already there would be no need for Bionics to exist. Same thing applies to Mighty Med, in a world where bionic people exist and are well known in the world with powers on par with superheros what is the point of the “superhero code “ or the secrecy of Mighty Med in general.

[@Dave102693]

MCU has infected Hollywood with the crossovers cancer.

[@joeblack4634]

Another thing I noticed, is that MM is a show about ordinary people in an extraordinary world. Whereas Lab Rats is about extraordinary people in a (mostly) ordinary world. Having the two worlds clash just doesn’t really work

[@marshallw1902]

@@Dave102693 No it didn't, and crossovers aren't a new concept, it's existed long before it existed. This narrative cheapens your wailing.

[@Dave102693]

@@marshallw1902 I know that, it’s how it’s done that’s the problem.

[@Emiturbina]

I think they should do an animated show about Mighty Med, it would lose the "Everything looks bad because of low budget" charm but they could do a ton more of stuff and it's not like that was what held the show together, it was the humor and that could translate very well into animation, and as a big bonus they wouldn't have to de-age anyone and could very easily just ask the original actors (Except Alan's) to voice the characters

[@jaybennet4491]

What happened to Alan's actor

[@Emiturbina]

@@jaybennet4491 He's kind of Alan irl, Keyan "covers it" in the MM video

[@averyeml]

I love that it’s OBVIOUS the Mighty Med half got shafted. Like you said, the fact that “Mighty Med” somehow got destroyed and nobody’s talking about the absolute war crime that would be blowing up the actual normo hospital is sus for starters. The fact that they ask Kaz and Oliver who did it and they don’t immediately suggest “hey maybe it’s my super evil mom who made a point to say she knew who she was really marrying, and therefore might already know about Mighty Med’s location, and clearly gives so little of a crap about her own family that she seems like the hospital blowing up type now.” To me, setting her up as the big bad and having these two emotionally torn teens work to stop her and whatever evil she sends their way sounds like a great plot. You could build tension between the Lab Rats and the Mighty Med by having the Lab Rats be like “we need to go after her full force and lock her up where nobody will ever find her again” and Kaz and Oliver trying to find a way to rehabilitate her. I won’t lie, I never watched any of these shows but I was bored partway through the Lab Rats Keyan vid and was in LOVE with the Mighty Med one. To not try and find a way to mix and play with the vibes is an insult.

[@tylerbarnhill6742]

I think they could do what lab rats did and let superheroes reveal themselves to the world

[@InuyashaTT]

this is why im thinking of rewriting them and instead of making it a sitcom, kinda try to follow the plot they were trying to go for... and i had not watched elite force or mighty med ! although tbh you should bc mighty med s1 is sooo good (s2 is ok, at least so far)

[@Victoria-_]

A rewrite is definitely needed!

[@PaintSplashProductions]

I'm surprised Oliver isn't deeply insecure and hates himself over him being the son of Mr. Terror. I mean, think about it. His mother is the most hated, most terrifying, most powerful villain in the MM universe. She's basically the King/Queen of Villains! Making Oliver technically the Prince. And then he gets accepted to join a hero group to save the world from people like her. If I was Oliver I'd be hesitant to join because I wouldn't think I wasn't worthy. Oliver is a very empathic and kind kid, to anyone else this probably wouldn't be seen as a problem but Oliver would care. I could even see Kaz and Skylar being kinda overprotective over him because of this because they care so much for him they don't want him to be hurt again. Hell, I can see Bree and Chase kinda relating to Oliver because they too thought they were created by a villain for a period and know what it's like to be in conflict about their origins. So much potential for bonding moments!

[@kishiu]

omg shut up

[@fiery114]

Not to be that guy but it’s Kaz

[@PaintSplashProductions]

@@fiery114 Yeah I think that was autocorrect 😅

[@cabin7slytherpuffempath]

I would have loved if they did a plot like that.

[@puppyproductions964]

My heart fluttered at the potential of this plot

[@Medbread]

This show should've been Brie and Chase being assigned to the Elite Force, a team devised by Davenport and Mighty Med Staff, in order to find the Mother of all Villains and defeat her. Brie and Chase would've been good mentors to help Kaz and Oliver learn how to control their new powers, because they went through the same thing, and had experience teaching at the bionic island.

[@beatsado6529]

When I was younger, Netfilx had both Lab Rats, and another disney sitcom that I loved, Kickin' It, and I think it would be cool if you did an episode on Kickin' It, just to see your views on the show

[@lucashansen7149]

Yes

[@remib1199]

kickin it is up there as one of my all time favourite disney shows. i would love to see a deep dive of it.

[@emerald_lollipop]

Kickin' It is my comfort show, love it to bits

[@Kalise1d]

SUCH A GOOD SHOW ID LOVE A DEEP DIVE

[@gutsmasterson2488]

I had friends that knew one of actors for one of the few characters that stayed on the show the entire time.

[@melofelo4484]

Bradley Steven Perry is one of those actors that’s good but unfortunately doesn’t get a lot of attention or recognition for it. I loved him in good luck Charlie growing up, and I’m glad to hear that he got his own show (basically).

[@flopr587]

Can you tell me the name of his show? Oh. And P.S Jake and Bradley have their own podcast together.

[@melofelo4484]

@@flopr587 mighty med is the show I was referring to, to clarify.

[@3MGPLUG]

He was in Hubie Halloween which for some reason has insanely low rating despite being a good film by Netflix standards

[@ricniks4619]

@@3MGPLUG Well it has Adam Sandler in it so it’s not shocking that it’s low rated.

[@annsalvatore996]

The Mighty Med & Lab Rats crossover episode should've had them be from different universes like the Jimmy Timmy Power Hour. Having Mighty Med exist in a multiverse would be fitting cause it's based in superhero comics, and Lab Rats canonically has parallel universes.

[@curtailedbike4123]

Even when the crossover happened I remember not liking the idea of these 2 shows taking place in the same universe since it felt kind of off to me.

[@SpiderFan-e13]

A magic based universe and science based one can not exist in the same universe.

[@KittyOfChess]

This is now the third time I'm watching a multi-hour analysis on a Disney XD show I've never watched. Why is this so much fun to watch?

[@Aster_Risk]

I'm in the exact same boat. Keyan does a great job with these videos and it's also kind of fun to experience something from the outside.

[@michaelpolinsky4611]

Its like watching a commentary of a train wreck while back to back clips of said wreck and where things went wrong in the background

[@SeseOB2003]

The compilation of characters saying “I can’t believe…” and “take out” was a glass shattering moment for me…

[@only1r.g.b]

exactly. idk why but i was hurt watching the montage

[@OmarThePuppy]

@@only1r.g.b whats the timestamp

[@diffjuns323]

​@@OmarThePuppy1:07:04 I believe

[@kingkwam3816]

adam and leo not being part of it was definitely part of why it fell off. they were the two best and funniest characters from lab rats. Horace Donald Wallace Clyde and Douglas were so great and so funny too. i miss watching these shows man. i loved them. i remember being 8 and having crushes on bree janelle and skylar. I remember wanting powers like heat vision and telekinesis. Then watching kaz and oliver joke and that one episode where oliver is talkin about football. Specifically bout how my cardinals were destroying the titans. That game in real life the cardinals almost choked but won by 3. But i digress. The mighty med theme song was so fire too. These shows are so nostalgic for me. i wish they’d wrote and did elite force better. Instead they absolutely obliterated two amazing series

[@hunterselke3249]

I think this show could have been good if they acknowledged that the deaths of those at mighty med would have traumatized kaz and Oliver and then actually showed them dealing with the trauma

[@kyab2815]

Would also give leeway for some personality changes and bring them more in line with the more serious air of lab rats if they pulled it off right. Skylar could be more sarcastic and bitter and it would make sense if they tie it into trauma. Its even in line with her previous anger and bitterness over her loss of powers. I can't tie Oliver's creepiness in because I cannot ethically make that a thing ever. But perhaps a degree of (annoying but not creepy) clinginess towards both Skylar and cas as they're all that's left since he even lost his mom. I can't actually sum up cas's changes but good writing could help I'm sure

[@hunterselke3249]

@@kyab2815 I agree. That way characters actually have growth and honestly the creepiness is completely unnecessary

[@ic236]

The flippant killing of the Mighty Med hospital is the worst way to start a new series. They might as well have killed Leo while they're at it

[@hikakakaka4]

i find it actually really funny that this show punched down so much on mighty med, and then proceeded to end the same way as it (expected/hoped to get a new season to tie up the finale, but got cancelled)

[@Ian00003]

I hope Bradley Steven Perry will get another major role in something soon, he’s a such a fun charismatic actor

[@maximuffin6395]

@@cass12234 Good for him, Disney child actors tend to......spiral

[@silentluvr]

You got your wish (sorta)! He does a podcast now, and there's talk about a Good Luck Charlie revival with 'Charlie' being old enough to appeal to their target demographic.

[@CasualCat64]

@@maximuffin6395 except Dove Cameron

[@nottyrese]

@@CasualCat64 and the sprouse twins

[@sidneyabogunde2973]

@@nottyrese And the William’s

[@Disney15ish]

Considering that the show continues directly after Lab Rats and the Mighty Med trio gets the special guest applause intro, this "show" really feels like it was basically just a loophole to get Lab Rats a 5th season without officially going over Disney's (at the time) 4 seasons max rule.

[@dmeditz5771]

4 seasons max rule?

[@Disney15ish]

​@@dmeditz5771 It's not officially a wriiten rule anywhere but it's definitely seems to be there. After That's So Raven (the first live action show to have a 4th season in 2007), no live action Disney sitcom lasted longer than 4 seasons even if it was popular until Bunk'd broke the trend when it was renewed for a 5th season in 2020.

[@BlakeFiery-]

@@Disney15ish ohhh that makes so much sense I always wondered why until recently Disney show didn’t go over 4 seasons Now ravens home and a few others are on season 5

[@dmeditz5771]

@@Disney15ish Interesting

[@amberdennis7909]

Disney tends to cap shows at 4 seasons because they have to pay the actors more of they go on to a fourth season.

[@ScionStorm1]

Why did Disney keep embracing the comedic normalization of creepy stalker trope as their way of depicting unrequited crushes? Framing that behavior as just quirky and weird but funny should not be okay.

[@richardperaza5083]

Bc this is Disney I kid you not in each show they have to follow a formula like each show has a Nerd who is a Smart Alec, a Teenage who acts like they’re all that, an Idiot who can’t get anything right (except cooking for some weird reason this isn’t a Disney thing btw), a Weirdo so he supposed to be a creep and we’re meant to like them, and the other stick stereotype character

[@plushdragonteddy]

oh my GOD the fact that you actually managed to successfully recreate the elite force intro in like two hours with zero budget is SO funny to me

[@afellowpotato]

I'm just replying so you can see how much likes you got

[@plushdragonteddy]

@@afellowpotato LOL it’s appreciated

[@lorenadelosrios4134]

@@plushdragonteddygood for you.

[@kingpen5866]

The fact that you said the fact that shows the fact that you didn’t really need to say the fact that

[@plushdragonteddy]

@@kingpen5866 cool bro thanks

[@mediocrecreampuff3847]

For some reason the plotline where Kaz gets half a dozen robot girlfriends seems like it has a lot of comedic potential to me. I refuse to believe there isn't a different episode of a different show with the same premise that's leagues funnier.

[@danielmorales6285]

Didn’t this somewhat happen in Futurama with fry getting a android version of Lucy lu to date her then a bunch of lu bots come to kill them

[@looms.]

@Kompletando holy shit, 100 Kanojo in the wild. Absolute must read, full of comedy but very nice romance

[@brandonedwards6119]

@@looms. I tried to read that, but stopped when the first girlfriend left cause he mom or something was a bitch and I didn't like it.

[@vetreas366]

Persona 5. Valentine's. Romance all the girls. Pity choco FTW!

[@Robintheboywonder4]

And it was one of the 2 episodes co-written by a Mighty Med Writer, funny that.

[@grimmsome]

in case anyone else was morbidly curious about how many times exactly "I can't believe [X]" is said, I counted. it comes up to 85 times in Lab Rats, and then 14 times in Elite Force. which, painfully, comes to count of 99, and also makes me wonder if I missed one, or if they really did get it just one off from 100. for the 'take me/it/them out' section, there's 52 in Lab Rats, and 7 in Elite Force, coming to 59 total. do what you will with that information.

[@PyrokineticFire1]

thank you for counting. i was busy writing a comment about the misspelling (that section begins with a title card written "I cat't believe" 1:07:11)

[@littlebugguy]

I’m so glad I’m not the only one who picked up on Lab Rats’ glaring “I Can’t Believe Syndrome”- it’s so glaring because the following exposition is SO specific. Like, normally, people will just say “I can’t believe it/this!” if they’re shocked or “I can’t believe you!” if they’re angry, the way they launch into a long explanation of the events that just happened was _hilarious_ but also JARRING. It’s officially my least favorite exposition tool.

[@skygazer6082]

I think "As you know" Is worse for me, but this is really bad to.

[@MortexBerri]

I Can’t Believe You Said That!

[@cass12234]

What is funny to me is that Tyrell and Spencer were the least problematic of the four. Billy got a DUI underage and Kelli got arrested at Coachella for drinking underage 🤣

[@cortezlucious95]

I KNOW RIGHT? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@cass12234]

@@cortezlucious95 also didn't help that Kelli and Billy went through a pretty clearly messy breakup at the end of Lab Rats and then jumped into Elite Force

[@tianamarie4768]

@@cass12234 Kelly and Billy dated?

[@cass12234]

@@tianamarie4768 not openly but it was very obvious on their social medias and their siblings

[@haileejacob1995]

and not this is extremely problematic in itself, but Billy had a child when he was like 16…right before Lab Rats started. no way in hell Disney would’ve allowed a female teen mom to be a protagonist.

[@Mecharnie_Dobbs]

1:33:11 "My home is gone." "No. This is your home." "I also lost my mother." "No. I am your mother now." "... and my boyfriend." "No. I am also your boyfriend." "...and I can't get my favourite food anymore." "No. The meals I cook, are your new favorite food."

[@andreou2473]

So unbelievably hyped for this. I’m so impressed by your constant output of these nostalgia-trip docu-retrospectives. Keep the quality vids coming man, and we’ll keep coming back :)

[@aafragz3746]

@@melenacholy9170 what

[@phaeste]

@@melenacholy9170 the comment is quite literally a pure compliment, what are you smoking?

[@melenacholy9170]

@@phaeste I may have misread it chill out

[@Gwadzilla7]

I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT you somehow got someone to help you perfectly recreate the elite force opening credits, like it was genuinely spot on and I CAN'T BELIEVE how many times I've watched it

[@evangelinewood3325]

Timestamp?

[@Juan_x_Pedro]

​@@evangelinewood3325 53:33

[@ButterStick64]

I CAN’T BELIEVE I found this comment right at the I CAN’T BELIEVE part of this video.

[@dubleCC]

Elite Force had an insane amount of potential, if only the writers were better, or at least if Disney didn't leave us on a cliffhanger.

[@michaelmurphy5643]

It’s very interesting, I’m part of the fandom for the Lab Rats/Mighty Med universe, and so I’ve seen a lot of Elite Force rewrites. Interestingly enough, most of them end up being more along the lines of being MM season 3 instead of LB season 5. This mostly includes either A) focusing on how the destruction of MM affected Skylar, Kaz, and Oliver, or B) making Oliver’s mom the main villain. B tends to be the more popular option, and the bionic kids are mostly brought in because for some reason or another, the superheroes can’t deal with Terror, and some even have that MM had to shut down due to Oliver’s mom specifically attacking it, which still gives a reason to be away from MM without blowing it up and off-screen killing an entire supporting cast. It’s not perfect, but it definitely makes more sense then what they actually did. It also goes without saying, but most of the rewrites also make sure to include that Oliver isn’t a huge creep. Because that was genuinely the worst character assassination I’ve ever seen. Idk, the show was always bound to be very weird, but I think it could’ve actually been something good had they tried more, or at least something interesting and entertaining.

[@jacearmor5274]

Where are these rewrites?

[@salenna6840]

Do you have some you’d recommend to start off? I’d love to get into the MM/Lab Rats fanfic fandom

[@anthonynguyen1289]

I would honestly just make MM season 3 where they focus on Oliver’s mom and also introduce Rodysseus and show his anger growing over the loss of his powers as a background thing. Like he keeps having checkups to try to regain powers. This way the Oliver’s mom plot is fully Mighty Med while setting up the Rodysseus stuff they didn’t set up before Elite Force. This change would also make Rodysseus a bigger mastermind while his two kids aid him as essentially lackeys. Maybe give him a daughter as well so the main villains feel more expanded plus they could try to match the two guys with the three EF boys and the one girl with the two EF girls. I don’t think Mighty Med should be destroyed, but maybe Rodysseus offhandedly hears one of the staff presumably Alan saying confidential information which is how Rodysseus either prevents Mighty Med from running and/or aids in him killing or sealing superpowers. The method of sealing superpowers obviously only works on superpowers which is why they decide to team up with the bionics since their powers won’t be affected, but Kaz, Oliver, and Skylar still work with them since they know more about superpowers and the information they need to recover is confidential Mighty Med info. Also they could do paramedic stuff in the case of any superheroes falling victim to Rodysseus. As for what side characters they should keep I have no clue. I would need to write a plot to think of that

[@Echoingsunflowers981]

@@anthonynguyen1289 I would rather watch this than elite force

[@lazarusmekhane439]

One thing I find quite interesting between Elite Force and Lab Rats/Mighty Med is the juxtaposition in location. In Mighty Med, everyone is generally situated in a hidden hospital; in Lab Rats the characters are hidden in a basement or secret island. In Elite Force, they only ever stay in a massive skyscraper, in one of the most obvious and identifiable buildings in the area.

[@vMalaki]

I mean everyone knows abt both of them so idk what the big issue is abt mighty med being destroyed and no one being surprised

[@jacobjosefsberg7824]

No individual plot hole will break a story (unless it's big enough to completely undermine a character arc or the whole plot) but if you pack enough plot holes into something, it will die a death by a thousand cuts. It really is about how many times the writers are inconsistent to me.

[@ryanweeks6118]

I don’t remember who but i saw a reviewer that said your suspension of disbelief is like a stamina bar. Only so many times you can raise your brow before you’re done

[@donb7519]

i mean i think a few of the plot holes in the show are big enough to undermine the plot tbh mostly the set up ignoring all of the mighty med ending

[@goldenwaver-themagicalspir9618]

Not having Adam & Leo in Elite Force was already a red flag for me 😕.

[@kawaiilavender]

That too and the plot

[@gothboithick]

Adam especially

[@crow5326]

Agreed

[@DjTeeray]

Yeah nobody really cares about chase and very little about bri

[@crow5326]

@@DjTeeray its cus chase is anoying , and brie had nearly no personality besides liking boys

[@ariadnekirigan9806]

Why would Tasha show up to the tower? With a baby? And spend several hours there? The headquarters where a dangerous mission is being conducted? And their enemies know where they are located...wouldn't be smarter to put some distance between them?

[@victor2641]

Did it occur in the episode. Also it was like that in lab rats where few know there location.

[@annasablon3068]

after a while at the "take *blank* out" part at 1:12:23 my brain started adding "on a date" on its own and it ruined the thing even more than it was already ruined 💀💀💀

[@aaronwilder2775]

Honestly, the idea behind Roman and Riker is such an interesting plot that could have made such a cool back plot to season 3 of Mighty Med. Like Oliver and Kaz with the help of other heroes defeat Oliver's Mom but the fight causes Rodissius to get hurt in such a way that getting rid of his powers is the only way to save his life.

[@tylerbarnhill6742]

Yeah they could even show both of them swere vengance

[@jas0n297]

Yh mighty med had so much potential shame to see it have gone to waste😢

[@samkathryn4825]

My biggest problem with this show is the same I had with Lab Rats. Some of its subject matter (mass superhero genocide for instance) and the ages of most viewers would have worked better with a teen show. Not something mature like Pretty Little Liars or Riverdale, but a narrative that takes itself seriously and characters that mature and grow and face consequences. I think Lab Rats started falling in ratings because as the audience grew up they were ready for the characters to mature and have character arcs, but they stayed frozen mentally despite how the events of the plot should have changed them. Wizards of Waverly Place is well-remembered because-at least in the longer specials-the characters could show growth. They positively changed between the pilot and the finale, while the Lab Rats only regressed.

[@Hecatom]

"Not something mature like Pretty Little Liars or Riverdale" LOL

[@jadenbryant9283]

@@Hecatom maybe they mean in subject matter and themes

[@danielshore1457]

Yeah with the themes they could have tried going for an avatar thing

[@othervids3726]

I'd argue that they did, just not as much as we'd like. It is kinda sad that the only one who really developed was Douglas. He went from trying to control the world and kill his family to saving the world and his family after directly experiencing the errors of his ways (Krane). And he earned it too after saving the kids from Krane, fixing Bree's chip and saving Leo. Leo definitely developed a bit as well through Season 3 but by season 4, it felt like it reset. He was already pretty smart given that he figured out Marcus right away. He just grew into that. Everyone else kind of stayed static for the most part.

[@samkathryn4825]

@@othervids3726 You’re absolutely right. Douglas and Leo showed a ton of growth, even if Leo-as you mentioned-regressed considerably in season four. I was mainly thinking of Adam, Bree, Chase, and Donald, who are objectively worse people by the end of the show than they were in the beginning.

[@artlover5060]

I have to disagree on Jake not bringing in the fun like Steven. Steven brought fun when it came to delivery of his lines while Jake brought fun with his acting, especially when timing with facial expressions. The were many times I would play back scenes where his acting would genuinely make me laugh, some of Steven's too. Steven's fun is akin to Spencer(Adam) with line delivery and Jake's fun is akin to Tyrel(Leo) with body language and facial expressions.

[@xsolddtt]

Honestly, the worst part about Elite Force is that it could have had the same purpose but instead it could have been about capturing Mr. Terror. They needed Chase and Bree's help because most superheroes are dead and they needed backup.

[@thetigerstreakchronicles8169]

I'm pretty sure that it's mentioned in "Mission: Space" that Bree is a Sagittarius, which is November-December, so if Bree was actually 17 in "Sheep-Shifting", it would make her more than six months younger than Leo. This universe's timeline is a mess.

[@jessebeantv]

The main problem was that the characters were more one-dimensional than they were in the previous shows, aside from maybe Bree, who had a story arc.

[@dizzydee6362]

Also, I wonder what any of the side Mighty Med characters thought of Kaz and Oliver's disappearance. They still went to school, they still had friends, didn't anyone check on them after they disappeared from Philadelphia? Did their school issue some kind of warrant for truancy? I suppose if Gus and Jordan went to Kaz's parents to ask where he was they could tell them about the 'internship' but what about Oliver? He and his mom both vanished and I think they mentioned that his dad moved to London so they can't get in touch with him. Does his dad know anything at all?? Do any of them take online classes at the penthouse? So many questions.

[@Iliadic]

Horace is legally Oliver's father at the end of Season 2, so they could ask him if they get a hold of him.

[@danielmorales6285]

@@Iliadic one problem with that is I don’t think Gus or Jordan ever meet him besides as Skylar’s fake dad and also he could be dead with all the other heroes

[@therealevilmudbug]

I'm sure at some point the kids at school heard that olivers's mom got married, they probably assumed that they moved after getting married.

[@matti.8465]

Since superheroes are a secret, there's a genuine posibilities Kaz and Oliver had to fake their deaths. The issue with Oliver's mom needed to be covered up somehow.

[@dizzydee6362]

@@matti.8465 gosh thinking of all the things they could’ve explored but just didn’t for whatever reason makes me irritated all over agin

[@JayeKisses]

The only consistent trait through all 3 shows is that when the fight scenes happen is when someone gets hit they stay on the floor for the rest of the fight & someone has to help them off the floor.

[@wolffisu]

23:30 I think Cas, for lack of a better term, is Comic-Book smart. He understands things when connected to comics, but the insane shit that happens in comics (multiverse theory, polyatomic ions, etc) are all rooted in reality but with a little sci-fi twist to them. I think, it makes sense that he understands some things more than he thinks he does and (while displayed dumb in the series) retains things better in a more practical sense. He is good at his job at Mighty Med because of comics and that has developed into real world biology and chemistry. Not on the same level as Chase, no, but enough to build off others to create solutions.

[@irishempire9811]

This man is single handedly reviving all the 2010s disney live actions kids shows

[@daffydwagstaff4627]

Oliver honestly comes accross as someone *pretending* to be Oliver in Elite Force rather then actually being Oliver. Great video, worth the two hour watch time.

[@Disney15ish]

Oliver in this show, to me, seems like a mixture of Fletcher from ANT Farm and Adam from Lab Rats. As if the Lab Rats writers saw Fletcher, assumed Oliver was the same type of character and added what they did with Adam with that.

[@aynsleyyost5168]

What is with Disney related shows having jake shirt having the one sided creepy crush on one of the Maine girls like stalker creepy skylar dose nothing about it china dose nothing about it what is up with that

[@aynsleyyost5168]

Short

[@Not_Luke_5]

The elite force intro group shot says it all. Chase in the middle, then you see either Skyler or Bree and then you see Kaz and Oliver last. You likely see both the lab rats characters then the three mighty meds characters.

[@TheWholeFinShow10]

Love your videos man, needed this after the physical pain I felt watching your PROM video (they really thought they were making something with that movie). Your sense of humor is amazing. Also lmao, nukes their hospital base causing untold number of civilian and superhero casualties but just YEETS a christmas present through their new base window.

[@CraftingMenace]

After the scene talking about how Mighty Med was destroyed, it's blatantly obvious they had no respect for the continuity of Mighty Med at all. Not even getting something as simple as the fact that it's location was a secret correct is telling for how much they care about keeping literally anything from it around. It's like the higher ups canceled Mighty Med, and went to the Lab Rats creators and said "you can have one more season IF you combine these two shows so we can market it as a crossover show" and then the creators said yes, but didn't really want to so basically stripped away literally everything about Mighty Med that would cause them to even have to look at a single page with any continuity from it.

[@Luvythicus]

Halfway through this video and I was never nostalgic for any of these shows, but even -I’m- frustated with how they handled this show.

[@ryanweeks6118]

Same- i liked lab rats, didn’t care much for mighty Med, yet still upset with the bastardized versions of the mighty med side

[@tommydevito4105]

Personally here’s what I would’ve done for elite force. Instead of it being a full on show I would’ve had it be a 4 to 5 episode crossover event which would end both shows. Everything in the Mighty Med finale would happen the same but instead would end with Mr Terror destroying the hospital and a vast majority of the heroes being killed off. Then elite force would pick up where that left off, Horace and Alan go off to find any of the remaining superheroes with Wallace and Clyde. Kaz, Oliver and Skyler contact Mr Davenport for help and inform him on what’s coming knowing he has the intelligence, resources and power to help them. That’s when he splits up the lab rats but for a purpose, Adam and Leo are sent to the bionic academy to prepare the students for what’s coming, Bree and Chase stay behind to be a part of the Elite Force and the event would go from there. They would realize Skylar needs to be powered up so they give her a bionic chip but it doesn’t work right because she’s an alien and the chip was programmed for a human, overexposure to the chip would reactivate her powers. The crossover would play out mainly focusing on the team of 5 all concluding with the final battle of Mr Terror and her army of villains who worship her because of the octurion against the five members of the elite force, the bionic army led by Adam and Leo, and the remaining superheroes. This 4 to 5 episode event would serve as the satisfying conclusion to both shows with the world being safe (Disclaimer I thought of this as I was watching the video)

[@TheLittleTanuki]

Someone should write this into a fanfic lol

[@kelithic]

that is so good wtf

[@lpchambers3681]

The fact that this works so well just shows that the producers really just didn’t care about the properties enough to try

[@cabin7slytherpuffempath]

This would have been so cool.

[@UnorthodoxIndividual]

It's time to do my absolute favorite activity! Watch a multiple hour long video on a show I barely know anything about or straight up have never seen! WOOOOOOOOO!

[@crystalanimates5858]

Hi

[@GaboPotter3]

Dude!! Nice to see you here Love your videos xd The same here with videos like the ones of Quinton Reviews and his mini mini series of nickelodeon sitcoms xd

[@somerandomgoblin2583]

honestly, i never even knew this series *existed* until now- probably because i was too busy watching ohshc when i was 13 since i stopped watching disney by that point

[@I_Dislike_YouTube_Handles]

I specifically remember the thought of all my favorite characters from mighty med just dying brutally along with a bunch of innocent people in the normal hospital when I saw this as a kid. Disney unironically exposed me to the horrors of the world then. I watched the whole series hoping for one of them to return but they didn't :(

[@dantefarge3369]

at the beginning of the video I thought that what destroyed the heroes was going to be the supervillain mom to be honest. It could be a cool way to link the shows, like she wants to destroy all heroes but doesn't know about the bionic ones and they team up to keep them safe while trying to save other heroes who survived the attack. But they wanted to keep doing lab rats I guess

[@thatlycantomboy]

Okay, so, I do think the Rodysseus character could have been interesting if only for the parallel between the actual mythic figure of Odysseus, who delayed returning home to seek fame and comfort. A superhero who is only a hero because they had a lust for fame and glory, turned into a villain due to losing the thing that elevated him above other men? Pretty neat. Or at least, I’d say that if the villain’s name wasn’t apparently spelled Rodissius and I wasn’t convinced I thought about this more than the writers thought about anything on this show

[@lordeverett5642]

Odysseus was delayed when it came to returning home because the gods decided to make his trip home last as long as they could.

[@flapjack7301]

@@lordeverett5642 Yeah, but the parrelel would still be kinda interesting.

[@lordeverett5642]

@@flapjack7301 it would be, it just sadly isn’t.

[@thatlycantomboy]

@@lordeverett5642 yeah but I’m interpreting it from a modern perspective, [insert joke about cheating on your wife for ~8 years], [insert yet another joke about the insanity of telling a cyclops your name and listening to singing murder bird women]

[@UnemploymentScrub23]

I swear to god people on the internet are better at writing than actual writers that get paid

[@Gamer1288]

To Be fair, The Concept of a Combined Sequel Show of both Mighty Med and Lab Rats isn't bad. It was the Execution that caused it to fail horribly. Also, The Timing of when they decided to Cancel Both Shows didn't help. Both Shows were still pretty Popular so they could have potentially made a few more Seasons of each before Wrapping them up and THEN work on the Sequel to keep it Fresh. You can tell that the writers of Elite Force didn't care at all and the Company set it up for failure from the get-go. Between a poor Budget, Writers who only had knowledge of half the Source Material and didn't care to learn about the other half. Ya, This had no chance of succeeding.

[@mariajimenafigueroa233]

The biggest problem with Elite Force is that despite being a crossover, it heavly focus on the Lab Rats side not just from the name and music, but also from returning characters (Donald, Douglas, Tasha, Principle Perry and even Bob). They should had give Mighty Med more representation. Wallace & Cylde could had show up to help the team find the villains, Kaz and Oliver could had tried to hide their powers from Jordan and Gus. It stupid how Mighty Med got little to no representation in Elite Force despite the fact that *THREE* of it's main characters are part of the TEAM.

[@cadelittle7365]

There is something so incredibly satisfying about longform breakdowns of the shows of my childhood. I would love an analysis of good luck Charlie that show was my jam