Kia EV6 77 kWh Geilo test

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[@bartvanneste1776]

Thank you for all the tests you do. This one was especially interesting for me as i'm pondering on buying EV6, or maybe other EV ... We'll see.

[@DeilGrist]

Same here. It's a bit concerning that we're relying on a software update to get battery pre-heating, but I'm in the southern US atm, so it shouldn't be that necessary for me anyway.

[@jontuftenedrestl2575]

I especially like this video. I am an EV6 owner, and born and raised in Geilo. ☺️

[@johanneskestermann2399]

Thank you very much for all of your EV6 content. For me as a german, it is important to see the car working in colder regions. There are many german guys at youtube trying to work this out. Unfortunately non of them is doing it as accurate as you are doing it. You are doing a great job! I am looking forward getting my EV6 within the next 14 days.

[@OnboardCamEurope]

Thanks Bjørn

[@nickieredshaw7835]

Thanks for another great update video take care and safe travels everyone

[@FaTaLBST]

"The Porsche, over there" Looking at an AUDI haha!

[@SylwesterPietrzyk]

Rumours are EV6 and Ioniq 5 will get battery pre-heating with OTA update, that would be something nice to have.

[@idomaghic]

As they only support infotainment OTA, that sounds unlikely? But sure, perhaps an update at the dealership?

[@krugerdave]

With a few updates like that, these will be great cars. As it is, serious bummer that they don't have route planning, pre heating and a few minor things. I'd be careful about recommending them to noobs until then. The missing rear wiper is unforgivable though. Such a shame, considering how good the rest is.

[@rui569]

that would be more then nice. kind of essencial.

[@bjornnyland]

It's not a rumor. It will be implemented in 2022. The question is just when.

[@mille1983]

@@bjornnyland and where, in Italy for example there is not Winter Mode

[@MrEarnxtracash]

1:35 LOL, I feel your pain; I thought it was only me! Thank you for proving it isn't!

[@tesla-spectre]

For a native German speaker, the city name is always hilarious :)

[@hape4]

It definitely needs the preheat option to be implemented in some way. Today I had a trip of 342 highway km’s at 107 true km/h (auto cruise control at 111) and 6km of main road. It still had 86km of range left in the battery which I think is quite good. Strangely the app even says 5.99 km/kWh

[@philippp719]

6:35 I personally hate these touch buttons. They are like a combination of the disadvantages of real buttons (take fixed space) and touch (no feedback)

[@chee-tah-]

EV6/Ioniq5 have CNT seat heating elements which is more efficient and heat up faster but more expensive than common PTC ones CNT is in a thin film shape, it'll prob require another separated packagings just for the side bolster heaters (unlike PTC just adding additional heater strips as needed) the side bolster application is unnecessary costly when considering it already heats up faster ig? Also it could be there wasn't enough time for heat to spread evenly cuz it's faster to heat up heat density and peak temp seem very high I think its kinda similar to the compromises between COB leds vs led strips😁

[@commanderroddi7742]

Wish list items for my EV6: 1) tell me arrival state of charge on route planning 2) An actual ROute planning thing! 3) Fix my Eco Mode that was "bricked" with the battery conditioning update! 4) Make battery preconditioning a bit more accessible (you can have it activate further than 30 miles from chargers, and that it will work with Android Auto or Apple car play, or ABRP?) 5) OVER THE AIR UPDATES!!!! 2019 cars like the I PACE hat that! Otherwise, I'm very happy with this car (I have Matte "rey" GT-Line).

[@kussi4355]

Der BMW auf dem Thumbnail ist geiloooo

[@electricguy109]

Will you have a video only for a charging session? That would be interesting to see how Kia has programmed the charging power with the battery temperature… We saw 90a at 0-3 degrees C and 115a at 7 degrees C.

[@deancarter4003]

Bjorn is an EV test pilot pioneer like Chuck Yeager

[@joshmatlock1020]

They need to add en-route battery pre-conditioning when navigating to a fast charger...hopefully they can update their software in the future.

[@therealtiamat]

Nice test of the EV6, I really like how you throw your german fractures in the talking...🤣🤟

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

At 10:07 as for regen: I remember using the wheel paddle on Kia eNiro to get max regen, even come to full stop without using the brake pedal. I don't know anything about EV6.

[@garycassap-brown7829]

With the Hyundai/Kia platform did you not prove on 1 of the earlier tests to avoid rapidgating/ overheating the battery-pack by turning off the HVAC system and charge faster, therefore conversely if HVAC was on whilst charging would this not assist heating battery pack to eventually speed up the charging?

[@SamuraiTacos1]

epic video

[@SasquatchMelee]

Charging speed will be better once they implement preheat when you navigate to a fast charger. That said, I wish they would heat up the sensors and cameras like the German engineers do...

[@jkev1425]

Adding cobalt into battery saves energy you do not need to spend on heating up the battery. It's a trade of as so many things going on in the EV world. Thanks to Bjørn we get a good overview of all trade off decisions. 👍

[@bjornnyland]

Cobalt is politically incorrect.

[@jkev1425]

@@bjornnyland Absolutely - now the customer can choose whether to buy an ev which can charge 60kw even when it has a cold battery or buy an LFP battery which needs some heat in order to work. That was my point - thanks to your work it is more obvious how each specific car works 👌

[@Zedus-rl9hp]

@@bjornnyland I would rather say that child labor and corruption are not politically correct. Not using cobalt will not help those affected either, as they may resort to ship piracy or other raw materials that make them money. A topic that could be discussed a lot.

[@SamuraiTacos1]

yeah it needs pre condition for fast charge

[@contragumballvenganza1448]

5:35 Nice BMW e46, from Kraków 😁

[@tplus3017]

How's that screen panel with regards to cleaning? Gorilla glass type or cheaper glass/plastic that will scratch over time with cleaning?

[@JeanFrancoisWatierJee]

What is the app you are using to display charging rate, battery status...etc

[@audung.kjrsvik233]

I'm considering both Polestar 2 and Kia EV6. Why do you find the polestar a better winter car?

[@ddavideo]

Just FYI...my 2015 VW Golf Sportwagon only has seat heater elements like the EV6. Not on the side.

[@SergejGrabun]

Thanks for your work Bjorn. Question to everyone: so is there a way to preheat the battery before you come to charge? How many accelerations you need to do to increase temp by lets say 10c? Does it even work this way?

[@anthonyhovenburg932]

Pre-heating can be achieved in several ways - some better than others. Keep in mind that rapid discharge can actually be harmful to a cold battery. So when pre-heating you want the batteries to convert as much energy as possible directly into heat. When doing some rapid accelerations you are indeed generating heat but most of the energy is converted into kinetic energy (wheels moving), where the heat is only a residue due to conversion inefficiencies. In fact, its better for your battery's health to not pre-heat at all if this is the only option. Tesla, and other manufacturers, use a technique of stalling the motors, where they basically become massive heating elements. Bjørn in his videos refers to this as "after-burners". This one of the better ways to heat up the battery - though indirectly.

[@SergejGrabun]

@@anthonyhovenburg932 I appreciate that it might be harmful to the battery, but if I need to make a quick stop versus 40 minutes I'd rather do anything in my power to achieve this. Charging 40kW or 140kW is a big difference and if I can achieve it - I would. Unfortunately I am not Tesla owner, but, soon to be, Kia EV6 hence I rely on other means of pre-heating the battery in colder times. Not planning to go to extreme temperatures, but even a 5 - 15c increase dramatically increases charging speeds (according to this Bjorn's video). How much harm if at all it can cause to battery is something I can live with (until kids are older) :D

[@jonnymj]

I recently heard a hack for the battery pre-conditioning is to drive it in sport mode for about 10 minutes before arriving at the fast charger, as that will heat the battery up.

[@SasquatchMelee]

I'll look at this on my Ioniq 5 today and confirm if it's true or not. Stay tuned. Edit: Like Bjørn mentionned, it's false.

[@bjornnyland]

False claim. I already tried that and it didn't heat up the battery.

[@jonnymj]

@@bjornnyland good to know! Thanks!

[@krugerdave]

I don't think sport mode is the issue, but rather sporty driving. Hard acceleration and regen will pull enough current through the pack to warm it up a bit, but that's tough to do with passengers or on crowded roads. Also hard on your tires 😬 Plus these E-GMP cars tend to pull a lot of heat out of the pack to heat the cabin, so the car will be fighting you the whole time you're trying to warm up the pack, essentially.

[@wildkidT]

Will assisted driving slow down in sharp corners?

[@stephansiewert9412]

Bjørn, what app are you using for Ionity in Norway?

[@NoelBarlau]

Could you please explain more about the app you were using while discussing the price of electricity? Is everyone in Norway on a variable price / time of use schedule or are there options for a fixed rate plan which stays constant throughout the day?

[@bjornnyland]

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[@NoelBarlau]

@@bjornnyland I should have known you already had a video on the subject. Thanks very much for the link, it's greatly appreciated. Here in the U.S. most people have a fixed rate for electricity, with notable exceptions such as California. But we're so far behind the rest of the world - there's an incredible amount of ways to optimize the old-fashioned grid, yet the electrical suppliers are resistant at every step to implement them. It's just sad.

[@cirmang]

Bjoern, thank you for videos. Still wondering how did you manage to charge EV6 at full speed in your original video? Can't get mine too charge faster than 130kW. Please, could you share the secret ?

[@EV_OBD]

Yo-yo driving (rapid regening + accelerating).

[@Mr.Frenzyguy]

Can anyone tell me whatvhis is phone holder?

[@basfinnis]

Love these cars but they’re mad prices in the UK and I’m in a flat/apartment so couldn’t charge an EV if I wanted to 😒 I ended up with a 2020 Jazz hybrid. Not going to set the world on fire but it’ll do for now.

[@antoniocirino8444]

I don't know why auto makers didn´t make a button for easy preheating battery and vehicle.

[@nakfan]

Agree. Good to see the coming MG Marvel R has a fully manual preheating button.

[@alizainjeevani3689]

Do you think the rwd has enough power to still be fun? I don’t really need awd where I live but I’m not sure whether to sacrifice the extra range for more power/torque

[@bjornnyland]

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[@andriegilsson6623]

The RWD has plenty of power in sport mode

[@airestocky]

each time watching a video regarding EV6 brings me closer to the decision to buy a Model Y instead - thanks for your afford!

[@TheNewFaceOfHSP]

I agree so much unfortunately. I bought an Xceed Phev last spring (2021) and I'm less than less impressed with Kia's software. The Xceed is a nice car, but it has it's oddities that could all be firmware patched, but they don't. The automatic charging doesn't work at all (and I'm a software engineer, couldn't make it work), the app is laggy, it doesn't always update the EV range after charging, there is no button to enable lock/unlock of the charging cable so I have to flip it through the settings page (which only work when the ignition is all the way on). After a firmware update in fall 2021, my car auto starts the radio if my phone is not yet connected unless I toggle the "Don't start media" button, which means I have to manually start Spotify every time I enter now. It also has this oddity of unlocking the doors if I enter the car and press the "lock doors" button really fast, because I'm in a shady environment. It will lock, unlock, in two seconds. I think it's invoking a function to auto-unlock because somebody is in the seat and the seat is being moved forward because I just entered. Why doesn't the rear lights turn on when the rain sensor activates? Why can't the app control the sunroof? Why can't the app pre-cool the car (I understand I don't have a heat pump, so I'm ok with no pre-heating)? Also, the EV6 looked great when I test drove it, but it has "faded" on me after seeing many of them on the roads now. The blinkers are weirdly far down and I've caught myself not even being "in love" with the headlights, just thinking "Hey, they are different". Compare that to the BEAUTIFUL white lines of modern Audi headlights with indistinguishable light elements and the courtesy of having dual charge ports on an e-tron, I'm actually beginning to like those better. They are expensive as fuck ,but you can also get better coloring options and a cupholder heating/cooling option.

[@garyclark6747]

Doesn’t it have a Utility mode that will leave axillary internal power on for heat, and light so I would assume, maybe radio? Kind of like dog mode?

[@Andy82112]

It does!

[@krugerdave]

Isn't that fog on the outside of the car? I often have it happen when I drive a cold car into a warm tunnel. Windshield wipers would obviously help, in that case.

[@bjornnyland]

The fog was inside.

[@krugerdave]

@@bjornnyland that is odd then, for sure.

[@noc8981]

Reminds me of Jaguar I Pace

[@apicharjiratanan4285]

Wonderful thing about BKK we don't need to worry about the winter conditions ,😆

[@bjornnyland]

No coldgate in BKK :P

[@vlad612]

Fogging because the AC was turned off, I guess.

[@markusssssss123]

Will u try Ioniq 5 rwd?

[@markusssssss123]

And banana box Ioniq 5 without bass in the back

[@milkmanshows5534]

Taycan brake regeneration is not working when battery temperature is lower 15° and the brake pedal is very strange. It happens also in other ev?

[@chrischild3667]

Not here. When battery is very cold regen is reduced a little but still plenty of bite. Are you seeing this at high state of charge (80%+?)

[@milkmanshows5534]

@@chrischild3667 No it happens the first 3 or 4 brake, but yes when state of charge is 10 o 20 % the brake just need 1 or two times to start regen when is 60 -80 need 2,3,4 time,

[@chrischild3667]

@@milkmanshows5534 oh hold on a second. Yes i have something like this with my etron. Each day it uses the mechanical brakes for the first few braking attempts. Then it uses the regen for the rest of the day. I believe it is an intentional design to clear the discs and pads of surface rust and debris cos otherwise they'd not get used very much. Could it be this? I have the same behaviour regardless of battery % though?

[@milkmanshows5534]

@@chrischild3667 Yes It could be, some kind of mechanical set, on may I fitted with 225/55-19” on all 4 in stead of 275 on the rear and in north Italy temperature now around 0+5 is averaging 23.5 kw 90%highway 120-150 km/h But the handling is not very sporty, now is more a cruise car, whit 255 on the rear was perfect, but now I think is more efficient. OZ ultraleggera 8,5x19” 10kg and tire 225/55-19” 10.8kg continental Origina 21” rear 30.6kg Front 24kg At 180-210km/h average 169km/h in Germany 165km with 57%

[@alfredneumaier8974]

👍🚙

[@niandralade]

hey Bjorn. Im from Germany. How does it come, u always use snippets of german words ? Does it come, because u worked some time in germany ?

[@ronaldjanssen105]

I guess because for foreigners the German words always have a nice ring to them. I also use words like Stau or Schmutz all the time with my friend. But I guess it's more common for people from Holland then for Nowegians :-)

[@axelnils]

Probably took some German classes in school

[@ziggyyo]

Bjørn is about 25% German 😁

[@bjornnyland]

Because I'm half Norwegian, half German, half Thai and half Chinese.

[@niandralade]

@@bjornnyland danke für deine Antwort Bjorn

[@nms0]

Is that scan my tesla with Kia ev6?

[@bjornnyland]

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[@danielbakamendez]

Meanwhile in Germany: house electricity prices around 40-50cts/kWh and HPC ~50-80cts/kWh gettin normal😬

[@manuelcunjador9946]

Thank you very much again! Just let me add my two Cents: It's "Porsche" spelled with the "e" at the end like the "e" in "end'... in some German areas also spelled like Porschä or Porschö, but never "Porsch".

[@krugerdave]

You should correct his pronunciation of Spekeröd and Mjøsa too 😉 (He's trolling people 😉🤫)

[@thabangmagana869]

I don’t think it’s such a big deal with the heated seat for a car of that price? Mind you Kia is not even considered as a premium brand🤷🏿‍♂️

[@bjornnyland]

But it costs as much as a Tesla.

[@kenross6028]

Perceptions of what constitutes a 'premium brand' are so outdated. Companies like Kia & Hyundai are offering the same quality and more features as those 'premium brands'.