Kia EV6 Sales DOWN 69% - has it become just a compliance car?

Kia EV6 Sales DOWN 69% - has it become just a compliance car?
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[@chriso847]

Here in the US people who found out about this hidden gem of an EV fell in love with it and called all the dealers within 300 miles of home. Always the same answer, “we don’t have any on the lot but we can get you one in 3-6 months for $8K -$10K over MSRP. Oh, and it won’t be the color or trim you want, but too bad.” Stealer greed killed the EV-6 in the US. My wife was ready to pull the trigger but no inventory. Then Tesla stared dropping prices and the tax credit changed away from Kia and to Tesla. Game over. Too bad. It’s a great EV. But she will probably buy a model Y instead.

[@jiminauburn5073]

I did the exact thing. Was ready to get the EV6 near the end of last year. But they would not budge on the $6000 market adjustment over MSRP. So I bailed. Ordered a Model Y instead earlier this year and saved a ton.

[@bm5906]

Buy American, citizen!

[@icosthop9998]

​@@jiminauburn5073 Nice 👍

[@dereksollows9783]

It has been the same here in East coast Canada! Where are the Kia's? We own an aging Kia, which has been the least problematical vehicle EVER and, as a result, we are brand loyal. Where did they go? We are making do in the interim with a Sonata hybrid, also a fine car. Having been weaned from the Detroit 'cycle' of replacement every year or two and having some common sense beaten into us by a big Benz - we thought we had 'found' our car maker only to discover that they are somewhere else.

[@MrFester]

Yeah, and those shitty KIA dealers are still trying to do the same thing today. Hyundai/Kia refuse to do anything about it and now folks know about that.

[@user-qg2zl2cm6j]

Kia EV6 is the world's best electric car.

[@protagonist9716]

Viking would die reading your comment, in his mind there is only one best company in the entire universe

[@zapp_brannigan]

As a owner of GT-line RWD i 100% agrees on this ❤️

[@remz5722]

The issue with the EV6 is production, and now, sadly price. The slow production has been a big issue, and i assume many have jumped ships. As someone else already stated for the US market, that in combination with markups and fixed trimlevels make it a less attractive option. At least here in Norway we get to choose that stuff ourselves. But i have been called three times during my 17 month long wait for the car with questions of getting a lower spec version instead, delievered within 2 weeks, likely due to people who ordered prior jumping off tired of waiting. KIA has been hit heavily it seem by the demand issue on semi-conductors. In addition, here in Norway at least, the car has had a price increase of over 10 000USD, from 2020, we also get a new weight tax here in Norway, this in addition to the tax credit no longer being viable for cars above 50 000USD has simply made the car go from a bargin to a car which is pretty steeply priced. I would not buy the EV6 with todays price. If i was to buy a car today, i would probably buy a Tesla with the current prices.

[@jiminauburn5073]

They have 35 of them on the lots at the two closest dealers to me, ready for sale. But with the dealer markup they have on them above MSRP, it is $10,500 more for the Wind spec in AWD (middle spec) compared to a Model Y Performance.

[@bafattvahetere]

Just don't buy it. My advise.

[@airheart1]

The why, is a very good question. It really is among the top EVs with anything you'd compare it to.

[@icosthop9998]

In America For the most part, I think most Americans associate problems with a company's *"ICE vehicles"* and carries it over to the same company's EVs. Many car buyers don't begin to do their own research before buying a car. The words out about Kia And Hyundai's ICE vehicles catching on fire. 🔥 I could be wrong but that could be a contributing factor, To the lack of sales. Other people were saying how the *_"Kia _**_#StealerShips_**_"_* are/were marking up the prices. You read the comments under this video where many were going to purchase the EV Kia. But settled for a Tesla, for one reason or another. 😊 👍

[@airheart1]

@@icosthop9998 well, Tesla’s are like, the one better EV you can find lol. So good for those people. And I guess if their dealerships were doing the markup BS, that would explain a lot. Especially with the price cuts from Tesla. I hadn’t heard Kia/Hyundai were getting the crazy markups.. a couple guys i work with both bought a EV6 last year.. one had bought a Bolt.. but when he saw the charge speed he was like.. wtf? It was taking him over an hour to charge to get to work.. takes me less than 30. I had to explain what was going on.. he returned it within a month or two under the battery issue recall back then.. seemed happy with the Kia though

[@martinandersson5982]

Kia EV6 has extraordinay high Inventory in sweden, a good car at a too high price point. Trying to sell some cars by lowering up to 10% but that is a far cry from the market clearing level

[@rammanohar8161]

Much better than a Tesla

[@hashimshaz2075]

The EV6 Is Slowly Transitioning To Compliance Car Status.

[@patrickcummins3912]

110000. 130000toomuch

[@StephenSalter]

It's madness to spend 60+ grand on a Kia to potter about to shops and take kids to school. Range anxiety and state of charging for non Tesla vehicles is a real problem. Tesla prices have come down, and their cars are years ahead on efficiency and technology and charging infrastructure. It's a no brainer, if you want an EV you buy a Tesla.

[@protagonist9716]

Rubbish. 400volts is years behind in technology. Dated frog inspired cars which haven't changed for so many years. Meh y meh 3

[@bryantwalley]

Cost too much and and the only way to get it is to order and wait.. not gonna happen..

[@conorbaker3166]

I love the EV6 and I really wanted to get one. It’s a great car, but it’s overpriced as it is, dealers mark them up, and combined with lax software and public charging experience compared to Tesla, it’s hard to match up. I now have a Model 3.

[@tonyn3227]

You are wise for getting model 3, it's a much better car believe me screw overpriced ev6

[@Paul-cj1wb]

It needs to be just a little cheaper. It needs to be a little luxurious inside for the price they are asking. And the IRA act in the US has not helped it much. On top of that they have to contend with the dealerships monopoly when Tesla doesn't. Legacy manufacturers need to band together and get rid of them.

[@danharold3087]

For a minute I read that as Legacy manufactures needed to band together to get rid of Tesla LOL. Yeash dealerships as we know them have to go.

[@greghudson9717]

Luxurious you say? After living with aTesla for 6 months, Kia EV6 luxury (as-is) is something I yearn for 😞

[@ianbell2697]

Ive been waiting9 months now for my EV6 here in the uk ,supposed to arrive in march but still no build date yet.They don’t even list them anymore to buy due to the supply issues.It’s simple they can’t make enough for the world market

[@sal1nger]

I agree that the EV6 is a fantastic car, as I've owned one for the past year. Which is why it makes me sad to see what's happening. The combination of the greedy US dealer network, the non-applicable $7500 tax credit, continued production delays and parts shortages made whatever ground the EV6 was gaining do a major backslide. Nobody's gonna buy a dual-motor EV6 for 55-60K USD when they could get a Model Y dual-motor for significantly less with the tax credit. Love 'em or hate 'em, the Tesla name has real cachet in the EV world and it will take a lot of things going right for other brands to catch up. Most Americans still think of KIA as an economy brand, and it'll take years of successes here for that mindset to switch.

[@jiminauburn5073]

An AWD Wind spec EV6 goes for about $60K in the Seattle area. I can get a Model Y Performance Edition for $57,000, and get a $7500 tax credit on top of that. $49,500 for a Model Y performance vs $60K for a middle of the road spec EV6. Easy choice.

[@icosthop9998]

​@@jiminauburn5073 😊 👍

[@icosthop9998]

I think most Americans associate problems with a company's *"ICE vehicles"* and carries it over to the same company's EVs. Many car buyers don't begin to do their own research before buying a car. The words out about Kia And Hyundai's *ICE vehicles* catching on fire. 🔥 I could be wrong but that could be a contributing factor, To the lack of sales. Other people were saying how the *_"Kia _**_#StealerShips_**_"_* are/were marking up the prices. You read the comments under this video where many were going to purchase the EV Kia. But settled for a Tesla, for one reason or another. 😊 👍 You mentioned the "tax credit" , TY not too many people are bringing that up.

[@73_de_CJHall]

It's obviously the dealer markups. 20% increase puts the cars out of reach.

[@jiminauburn5073]

And not getting the $7500 tax credit anymore. So higher prices and no tax credit vs Tesla lower prices plus a tax credit.

[@nanxingluo4902]

You can't really blame them. The more EVs they sell the more they lose money.

[@danharold3087]

Child labor and the 69 hour work week would have fixed that ... Only half serious

[@greghudson9717]

I only bought the Tesla Model Y over the Kia EV6 because of the advantage Tesla has with the SuperCharger network. Now that some (5 in all of Australia) of the Tesla stations are also allowing non-Tesla's to charge at SuperChargers, the reason for buying a Tesla has basically been negated. The other issue is the RRP... Kia EV6 Sport is AU$88500 on road, the Tesla Model Y RWD is AU$74000. It's a very hard choice to spend an extra AU$14k on anything that isn't a Tesla, however after experiencing a plethora of Model Y issues (all software related) I wish I had waited for an EV6. My bad.

[@danharold3087]

@@greghudson9717 Software issues especially with OTA updates on cars with working OTA generally go away. What is it that got your goat? At least you did not buy from one of the several EV makers with cobbled together heat pumps that do not work.

[@icosthop9998]

​@@danharold3087 😂😂😂 + 🤣🤣🤣

[@icosthop9998]

​@@greghudson9717 . *Plethora* TY , it is part of my vocabulary When I need to use it to convey a thought pattern. Never seen a written out before, thank you again. 👍

[@danalec4742]

Kia increased prices in UK and they are going to follow Toyota soon. I love Kia and I've got my 4th one now but I am going for BYD next. No point to spend an extra £15k. I know EV6 is one of the best EVs but since Tesla drop the prices EV6 is no longer under consideration. I'm sorry Kia.

[@EM.1.]

KIA/Hyundai needs to drop $10,000 off MSRP. Ever since Biden's stupid IRA plan the car started to tank.

[@jiminauburn5073]

It does not help that the dealerships are still charging $5000+ over MSRP.

[@RJ-nk9wb]

Such a shame for a great looking car & a korean manufacturer. Need price reductions!

[@mixalis6168]

Its not hard being better than a BMW or Mercedes EV !

[@jiminauburn5073]

I looked at an EV6 towards the end of last year. They wanted a $6000 market adjustment above the MSRP. I refused to pay, so I did not get one. I ordered a Model Y earlier this year, getting delivery soon. Kia has called me multiple times now saying that they now have them under MSRP. Told them I have moved on. Not only was the Model Y cheaper than the Kia EV6, I also got a $7500 tax credit. So I saved a bunch. Looking at what the local Kia dealer they are again putting a $5000 market adjustment on top of the MSRP. They want $61,000 for an AWD Wind version that gets 282 mile range. Compare that to a Model Y LR that is AWD and gets 330 miles, and only cost $53,000. Then you get a $7500 tax credit on top of that. So the Model Y costs $45,500. $61,000 for the Kia EV6 or $45,500 for the Tesla Model Y LR. I know which way I went.

[@greghudson9717]

Same here in Australia, but no tax credits 😞

[@dexlab7539]

Good for you screw Kia

[@michaelainsworth6849]

Dealers will be their death.

[@michaelainsworth6849]

The dealerships in the US were marking up the cars when they were included in the tax credits last year. They would not back off the $6k “addendum”. I’m sure they are still marking them up now that they don’t get the credit. The dealerships are killing them.

[@scottmcshannon6821]

the ioniq 5 and the EV6 were always just compliance cars. then hyundai was shocked when they became popular and they didnt know what to do since hydrogen was "obviously" the future. i really really wanted the EV6, i have since gotten a model 3.

[@888fatboy]

Hydrogen vehicles are not now now will they be in the future the solution for alternative fuel vehicles. They can’t solve the fueling station problem bc high cost to install, operate & maintain H2 stations. It will bever work.

[@Snafu2346]

just imagine a world without dealers. A world you can just order direct, get what you ask for. It seems so simple. You buy WHAT you ASK for. not a bunch of fake markups and an ADM with a bunch of things you never asked for. $500 for AIR in your tires at my local kia.

[@dbizzle]

I love that it's not popular. I was gonna buy a Tesla, but they're so ubiquitous in the western US that they're boring now. After patiently waiting, I just locked in my deal on a 2023 GT with 700 miles for $39K. I tell everybody this is the best value buy for any vehicle in the world. Haters can hate, but I feel like a genius.

[@justanotherguy7798]

The cars are very hard to get and the Dealers are marking the base price on average $5000 and no 7500 tax break yet they are still selling because they are a great car. They are quite initially expensive compared to a model 3 but they are much more car, the model Y looks like a model 3 only a hatch and a little bigger but Tesla has the cars available in less than two months soon the full rebate will be cut almost in half because the battery is made in China. I think Teslas are ok there just plain looking and if I keep seeing white Teslas I’m beginning to believe I’m in some kind of a weird science fiction movie. Kia needs to reign in their dealers on the market adjustment crap.Soon they will be built in the USA and get the tax incentives.

[@jiminauburn5073]

That cut in the rebate is only for the lowest level Model 3.

[@icosthop9998]

I agree, Tesla's are some *UGLY* cars. 🤢 But I am learning that yes, *"Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder AND so is **#UGLY**"* . (Only On this channel do I get *"slammed"* for calling Teslas ugly 😳 Anywhere else I get a lot of people who agree) 😎

[@icosthop9998]

"White Teslas" 😂😂😂 You ever notice when whomever show a aerial photo of the Tesla manufacturing lots, Almost nothing but white , not that many blacks and very few blues. But where I live, we have quite a few red Tesla scurring around.

[@ponkachonka]

As an EV6 owner I just love this car it's design is so futuristic lovely to drive and great range. I wouldn't worry about a sales dip the EV6 will come back, other brands will challenge but in Ireland it's still very popular even if a bit expensive. Range is great and it's due a a face-lift in 2025 I think, but for me it's the 7 year warranty including the battery is the peace of mind. Thanks for a great video review. Tommy in Ireland

[@FoamCrusher]

With sales numbers like that, the only logical conclusion is that they hired the Cadillac Lyriq production executives. 😂

[@icosthop9998]

😂😂😂

[@cjs1948]

Absolutely! Yet another car made of unobtainium! 🤣

[@wertigon]

:'( RIP Kia, I was rooting for ya, but you're obviously stalling out before the flock of stampeding ravenous rabies-infected leopards (e.g. the chinese EVs and Tesla) coming to munch on all legacy auto. Volvo is the only legacy brand left that might make the transition - but it must speed up their shedding of PHEVs now.

[@MrSavage77]

I can confirm this. I'm from Romania, and I've ordered an EV6 in June 2022. The car production was rescheduled several times, last one in March. Guess what? Still no clue if and when will be produced. And on the other hand I'm pissed off on Kia when they are announcing the new EV9, the concept EV5....What the heck? They are loosing their focus by adding more models to the the portfolio, while they are unable to deliver on the existing ones.

[@andrewwebster6025]

A Tesla Y is slightly cheaper than base model in the UK , and Teslas top model £3k cheaper than Kia’s. I Can’t afford either but another thing that maybe no one has thought about in the future market is there will be a lot of 3 year old Tesla y’s available in a couple of years time and this is already happening with the model 3

[@protagonist9716]

It should be cheaper. Kia is super modern 800v better looking, better built, it's worth more than aging 3 and y

[@haroldsimard7263]

Why they just don't make the car peoples want ? Double the production of the Hyundai Ionic 5. I know it's not a Kia. But it's the same company. Same thing with Toyota, double the production of the of the Rav4 prime. It's insane to have to wait two years.

[@gauvreausebastien]

And we have to wait a minimum of 2 years in Canada for the EV6 because Kia doesn’t give a damn about us. They could sell thousand of EV6 in Canada but they prefer to send their EV’s in the States. But people have to wait about 12 months for the Ioniq 5 vs 24 months for the Kia

[@xaionik]

These things are marked up to hell and back by dealers. No one wants to pay 10-20k over MSRP.

[@WiljanWiljan]

In the Netherlands delivery time about 12 months for the ev6 gt line. And very expensive without financial support government. I love the car, but price needs to come down with 10K minimum

[@Covalus]

Let's be honest. The current price of the EV6 is greatly exaggerated. I myself have been waiting for 18 months and the car has only recently been produced and will ship to Europe in a few days, so in total I will be waiting about 20 months. In the meantime while waiting for the car and following user groups I have a list of numerous faults and shortcomings that I may encounter. The quality of the materials, let's face it, is average. Today, I would not order an EV6 at the price KiA is asking. I would choose the Tesla Y as can be seen in the sales rankings. The EV6 is often no longer even in the top 20 best selling electric cars in most countries.

[@cavramau]

That is not the definition of a compliance car. What he defined is a limited edition car, manufacture or import much less than demand. Its a well known marketing stratergy. I first saw it in the early 1970s. The product was Bailey's Irish Cream. If you owned a pub, as did my family, the distributor would allocate to your business 2 bottles with each order of thousands of dollars of other stuff.

[@revrickbibletalks5546]

Can you please define what you mean by a "compliance car" before you move on? It's rather confusing.

[@GotJay713]

I would advise against being an early adopter of Kia products. My experience with defective brake lights, melting wiring for my headlights, clicking steering wheels, car locking in park, engine catching on fire, ease of theft... I mean the list goes on and on has been horrible. My engine has messed up AGAIN and I took it to Kia for service two weeks ago. The backlog is so long that they haven't even looked at my car or reached out to me once. They're telling me that I will be without a car for over 4 months. No loaner.. in one of the most car dependent cities in the world. The toll this is having on my finances been horrific. Go with a brand with a better reputation for quality.

[@beautifulgirl219]

At this point people are just moving on and buying Teslas, with the combination of reduced price and ease of purchase, as well as getting the best BEV made. Simple math. :)

[@官志城-e8h]

Ev6在臺灣賣的不錯，要等大約半年以上

[@icosthop9998]

. 4:49 *"NO GM products or FORD products made that List"* ❕️ . Thatz *CRAZY* ❗️ Like it's been reported, Real Mustang❤Lovers don't like the MACH-E . 🤢

[@bobsuzy1]

If you charge $90,000 for a $60,000 car, don’t be surprised sales are down

[@JamesTheCarGuy]

They are over priced for what you’re getting that’s why when you look at everything side by side with a Tesla model Y you get a much better deal with the Tesla model Y

[@ashtaroth1975]

Sad to know the EV 6 it's following the footsteps of the jaguar i-pace

[@Rick-fg2jv]

where I live the EV6 is available (Northern California, Marin and Sonoma county area) I see quite a few on the road in my area

[@bafattvahetere]

Strategy? Low production, high prices.

[@lONlQ]

Kia & Hyundai sales are skyrocketing so don't care evs in US until ev plants.

[@yvs6663]

maybe its because the Niro and EV6 are too close in price so people trying to be frugal are simply buying the Niro(because its efficent) and people buying cars on top of its price range have their sights set on other brands(despite it being objectively the best non tesla EV out there).

[@Jeddin]

I do not think it’s a production issue. The looks of this car is very polarizing. There are many people who love it and the enthusiasts went out and got it. But I know many more people who think that it is ugly at the end of the day. In the end it is a station wagon not an SUV. Station wagons just are not popular.

[@martymar7465]

No wonder there's no sales Ev6 is 15000 euros more expensive than tesla model y lr.

[@elrebelde4610]

Kia only allocated 500 pieces for 🇦🇺, then increased it to 600 and apparently 2000 cars for this year. We had stinger and we love the ev6. Put down the deposit and waited for almost 1 year and recently cancelled the order. Many people's situation have changed with rising cost of living, and I believe people ar3 think8ng twice to spend 96k on ev6 GT line. Ev9 coming this year with 400 pieces for Australia 🇦🇺. I absolutely love the car but the GTline variant will be between 100-120k 😢

[@codacoda565]

I think the problem in the United States is they haven't set up the charging infrastructure it's coming but the government's low the push it out

[@chriso2553]

You didn’t give any insight as to why you felt it was a compliance car? What is the reason sales are so low? How does the price to value ratio compare? The video missed the main points that you would put together when writing the script.

[@JorgeLausell]

Until they use front-rear castings w/structural batteries, mostly produced in house, & are producing 200,000/yrly run rate/model, manufacturers have no means to make money other than producing super high end novelty boutique styles. There'll be a market for that. Tesla can provide the service of designing a production line providing the EV platform, then OEM finishes & brings to market bespoke car models. Could Tesla design a factory for an OEM?

[@MrQuay03]

Does Tesla even have time for that? Why build for others?

[@JonathanRootD]

What about the EV-9?! They better not do this to that

[@dexlab7539]

They will price it $100-$120k and kill that too

[@mramg6038]

Owned the Kia EV6 GT line for just over a year now. Best looking car on the market, and fantastic to drive. Not one single issue with it, unlike my last Tesla which was a friggin headache.

[@iSot80]

Why did you forgot to say that it is also better than Tesla EV-models?

[@richardshultz6834]

Thing looks like a left wing freak show. Wonder why it is not selling?

[@tonyn3227]

Why buy overpriced ev6 when you can get a better car in e very way, a tesla

[@hindafinga4890]

12 month lead time and only a 7 month price commitment in DE, lol

[@justaninja1]

I love the EV6. It's got a beautiful ergonomic interior and awesome exterior design, lots of room and power; it's the whole package. I hope they don't discontinue it before I have a chance to get one. They need to do more advertising. Hardly anyone I talk to knows about them. I'm sure their recent price hike didn't help their sales either. My dream team would be Kia EV6 GT + BYD's sodium battery. 🙏❤

[@73_de_CJHall]

20% dealer markup breaks my budget.

[@Harrythehun]

Kia doesn’t want to sell them, why should Kia and Hyundai advertise them?

[@jiminauburn5073]

@@73_de_CJHall About 10% in the Seattle area, but still I will not pay more than MSRP. So I went a different way.

[@jiminauburn5073]

They are not selling because Tesla is kicking their butts on price. When the dealerships add $5000+ in market adjustment, it turns people off. The two dealerships nearest me would not have any on the lot towards the end of last year. They would sell them before they arrived. Now those dealerships have 35 of them on their lots. And they still are charging a market adjustment.

[@icosthop9998]

For the most part in America, I think most Americans associate problems with a company's *"ICE vehicles"* and carried it over to the same company's EVs. Many car buyers don't begin to do their own research before buying a car. The words out about Kia And Hyundai's ICE vehicles catching on fire. 🔥 I could be wrong but that could be a contributing factor, To the lack of sales. Other people were saying how the *_"Kia _**_#StealerShips_**_"_* are/were marking up the prices. You read the comments under this video where many were going to purchase the EV Kia. But settled for a Tesla for one reason or another. 😊 👍

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

It all comes down to either price or range. The EV6 is a great looking car.

[@73_de_CJHall]

Definitely the price. 20% dealer markup breaks my budget.

[@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis]

@@73_de_CJHall I believe that would affect a lot of people.

[@dexlab7539]

Uh no, it’s too expensive and ugly

[@mramg6038]

@@73_de_CJHall The finance costs are killer. My GMFV was ridiculously low, but so far I’m 14 months in and it’s worth almost what i bought it for new lol

[@jpmackin]

My buddy got one… he loves it.

[@Joe-lb8qn]

I sat in one at a dealers was surprised at the lack of rear legroom, especially because the drivers seat couldn't be adjusted high enough to let you get your feet underneath it and from what i could see if you could do that the drivers head would be too high unless they were very short. . I would get the ionic 5 over the ev6 every day.

[@charitysketches]

These cars are too easy to steal

[@Popdog76]

I love the ev6 prefer it over the Hyundai models but I think the problem is the Niro ev is smaller cheaper and more suitable for the U.K. markets. I am sure they lost orders and some were cancelled due to 12-18 month delivery times.

[@Harrythehun]

I like the e-Niro, a good ordinary car. But nothing beats my Tesla’s MY.

[@icosthop9998]

You read on here how people are still waiting for their *CyberTruck* and put their order in, 2 years ago. I never had that kind of patience ❗️

[@PapaPiggie]

Sad news,

[@bobstevenson4396]

We received our 2023 EV6 GT-Line package 1 in February and it still qualifies for the Canadian Federal government rebate of CA$5,000 and on top of that provincial rebates (BC $4,000, Quebec $7,000, etc). We waited 11 months for the car and paid MSRP with no markup.

[@icosthop9998]

No "Mark-up" you are very lucky 👍 In America For the most part, I think most Americans associate problems with a company's *"ICE vehicles"* and carries it over to the same company's EVs. Many car buyers don't begin to do their own research before buying a car. The words out about Kia And Hyundai's ICE vehicles catching on fire. 🔥 I could be wrong but that could be a contributing factor, To the lack of sales. Other people were saying how the *_"Kia _**_#StealerShips_**_"_* are/were marking up the prices. You read the comments under this video where many were going to purchase the EV Kia. But settled for a Tesla, for one reason or another. 😊 👍

[@sergiomomesso1590]

@@icosthop9998 He is not lucky, some dealership try or tried to steal or markup too, but there is a provincial law that don't allow it here. It's why most of the car here in Canada, Québec are sold at MRSP. This said, you know the statistic, for each 30 ice car that get a fire, only 1 EV car get a fire and it's this one car that go to the news. I own the Ioniq 5, it can burn as other car. I follow those who burned hyundai and KIA, but there is not a lot of case in EV. At least, not as many as some people try to fear people with EV car.😄 But yes, as ICE car burn a lot, EV car can burn too.

[@icosthop9998]

@@sergiomomesso1590 😎 👍 We are allowed to be "screwed" here in America. 😒

[@LouDeVere]

I really like KIA/Hyundai vehicles. Our first was an iX35 AWD 2L diesel in 2011 and we had that until we purchased a top of the range KIA Sportage 2L diesel (MY2017) in 2016. We still have the Sportage and it's been repurposed into my trade vehicle. It still performs faultlessly apart from some little problems along the way all taken take of by the wonderful KIA warranty. The vehicle is still just in warranty after 7 years. When it came to consider an EV, I seriously considered what was on offer from KIA and Hyundai but the prices I thought were way too high. The KIA EV6 in its high specked variant is absolutely astronomical in price. There's no way that it can compete base model of KIA against base model Tesla MY. I have ordered a standard white Tesla MY but I may cancel my order and wait until next year when they'll be more choice and better battery technology. Until then, we have something to drive that is utterly amazing. A BYD Atto 3. IMHO, it offers a better ride than the Tesla MY and is far cheaper.

[@greghudson9717]

Here's another reason for you to perhaps wait for a Kia EV6... Rumor has it that the 2024 model with have a 50% bigger battery, and cost less (presumably it will have LFP batteries). Google it... I was impatient and got a Model Y. Big mistake.

[@protagonist9716]

Tesla looks so so dated

[@ramblerandy2397]

I really like Kia and Hyundai's BEV designs. There isn't a bum car amongst them. But the hang up with the companies is that they still are hedging its bets on electrification. They produce too few BEVs, so they are always in short supply, unless you get lucky. Too many ICE cars that, yes makes them more profit. But the biggest bewilderment is that they're still persisting with developing H2 FCVs. That argument is long gone, and even Japan is having 2nd thoughts. So why the sibling South Korean firms continue to waste R&D time and money is slightly beyond me.

[@Kellric7]

Two things to explain this in Europe : 1. pricing, while Tesla cuts prices of model Y and 3, Kia raise them, now a top of the line EV6 GT costs 13000 EUR more than a model Y Performance. 2. delivery times: last years, delivery time for an EV6 was 28 to 32 months ! Now it's still 18 months. I have an EV6 GT on order for already 8 months, and they don't have any clue when I'll get it. I see many people cancelling their orders on EV6 user groups.

[@jeanmiegoiste]

Here in France we see too few EV6, despite being an excellent car, the best car ever for me. I drove it 60 000km without any problem, and zero degradation. And kia was even able to improve every single problem that early owners had. I had none (built in october 2021). I was able to buy this for only about 38 000€ or 42 000 USD (LR RWD average spec, Design Trim), about 44000€ reduced by a 6000€ eco bonus. It was a professionnal price cut, that is not possible no more, -14,5%. The public price was at 51790€, it is now 57490€ or 63800 USD. And no more Eco Bonus. So if I had to buy an EV6 today, 'd have to pay probably more than 15 000 extra. An EV6 is a terrible deal in France now. My 228 HP car costs about 3500€ more than a Tesla Model 3 Performance in France. Crazy. Yes it is a convenient car, and I guess that Kia has no margin.

[@NDAWELOL]

I think they don't sell a lot of EV6s because they produce a very low amount per month. If you go to buy one, the waiting time is still ~15 months. I wonder how many EV6s they have on preorder.

[@bm5906]

probably a very small percent of the CyberTruck preorder number.

[@icosthop9998]

​@@bm5906 LoL

[@TnTteam09]

That's wrong. There are many ev6s on every Kia lot in SOCAL

[@NDAWELOL]

@@TnTteam09 in Europe we have to wait ~15 months for delivery.

[@mikecoffeen7991]

I bought an EV6 in August '22, for MSRP from the only dealer in the state to only charge MSRP. The sales problems are the dealers still doing 10-15k markups.

[@francisdebriey3609]

The reason of sales going down is double : loss of tax credit in US and increase of price worldwide when Tesla decreased them significantly. I have the ioniq5 and am completely satisfied but the price tag to get it was same than model Y in Belgium BEFORE the price increase ! And why Kia/Hyundai increased price ? Because they don't make profit and are not capable to build new factories fast enough. If you want to decrease price, you need to increase volume. That's all folks! Tesla is way ahead of its competitors

[@kristoffergo6973]

I really wanted the EV6 but the price really drove me to buy the Ioniq 5. I am happy but Kia should at least think of getting the price down a bit. If they have not realize this yet.. then it`s just downhill from here.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Interesting. 32,000 EV6 were sold in Europe during the first 10 months of 2022.

[@xCNapo]

Ordered one in october 2022 and no news about production so far. It looks like production is the real issue and if the dealers cant sell any, they ramp up the prices because it doesnt bother them anyways. The question is just if KIA doesnt want to produce more because the car is too expensive for them (unlikely because the ioniq 5 is available quicker) or if they have some shortages in supply chains and rather let benefit the models with the higher margins (soul ev). I am just hoping that theyll be able to ramp up the production anytime soon. The car is still very competitive to a model y if you get it under msrp.

[@fatdoi003]

here @ Sydney north shore, the only chance i can see a KIA EV6 is driving pass the KIA Roseville showroom

[@rogerfroud300]

You can't make a profit with a compliance car, you have to be fully committed to do that. They've shown great promise, but clearly don't have the level of commitment to do what it takes to make it in the EV market. Without aggressively designing to be made at the lowest possible cost, they won't make it.

[@jimmtb1]

Can we get some clarity on if Tesla is giving us the $7,500 credit into the lease calculation to reduce payments for people who want to get into an EV but want to lease to not be stuck with old technology in 3 years? It doesn't look like it or maybe just on the standard range with the low offered lease figure of $349. Seems like that was the intention of the law and not to put money in the pockets of the lessor as we are the ones paying for this credit through our tax dollars. I have asked, but no one at Tesla seems to know the answer. At the most recent investor day Elon said he wants the vehicles to be as affordable to everyone who wants one to get the transition further along, but if Tesla is keeping the $7,500 lease credit the statement doesn't ring true. Some manufacturers are clearly offering it on some models, but it is frustrating it was not required to be pushed to the customer since we are all paying for it, or maybe my children or their children....:)

[@nigelpage612]

I decided not to buy the EV6 because it was too wide for my garage, and the boot was very shallow. Great looking car, just a shame they made too large for the average parking space in the UK.

[@MegaWilderness]

Please define compliance car. Low sales doesn't equate to compliance. Good to see you're starting to credit your sources

[@vancity2349]

Interesting never of a compliance car here in 🇨🇦 Made primarily to show they make this model available?

[@chasf3433]

In the UK at least the EV6 is too big and expensive with a back seat not suitable for taller adults. The E Niro is a much better option and sells well.

[@josimues4629]

Don't like the design

[@bafattvahetere]

The Ferraris look much better to me.

[@richardroyal2295]

Part of the problem is our dealers in the US. They are marking them up!!

[@stephenclay6852]

Half the problem is availability. Had to wait 16 months for mine it arrives at my dealer here in the uk on the 10 May. I do believe that most legacy car makers still are committed to ice cars. It will only change when governments legislate the change.

[@franciscoyap5906]

Im just waiting in the side till they become cheaper.

[@dannystaten5701]

Kia competes with its cousin the ioniq 5 but it's a bit more expensive. Add to that the lost rebate inn the US, and something has to change. I would get the ioniq 5 first at current prices.

[@eclecticcyclist]

Kia recently added a heat pump to the spec of the EV6, it's not surprising if customers hold off buying one untill they can be sure of getting one with a heat pump as it increases efficiency, reduces likelyhood of coldgating and rapidgating and extends battery life. It's called the Osborne effect.

[@duXieduX]

I had the option of getting the Ionic 5 and the EV6. The latter has a year waiting list and the Hyundai only a few months. Says it all

[@mohastie]

Minimum 1 year waiting list in UK.

[@oscarwalton1188]

What's the price tag just because they build it doesn't mean they can do it and be profitable

[@hishamg]

I like the look of them, but for me they are too big and too expensive.

[@adisurd]

I live in NL. Bought my first ev last week. The easiest kia could deliver an EV6 was Dec 2023. 9 months. Tesla model y was discounted 3k inventory brand new car and wait time was 7 days. I paid for it 5 days after offering and drove it within a week of ordering. Give me one good reason for choosing an ev6 over model y. And the model y is much cheaper

[@greghudson9717]

OK. Here's a very good reason... Note: I own a Model Y, a PowerWall2 and TSLA shares. And I am NOT a fanboy... Compare a EV6 and Model Y side by side and you will find the following things either missing or broken in the Model Y. INTERIOR: No handgrips over the doors. The horn only works sometimes (when it feels like it). Air vents that you can actually turn off individually (The Y does not allow you to switch off one side, driver or passenger). A screen and/or heads up display in front of the driver. No 'ordinary' interior door handles (none at all for rear passengers). No buttons for anything like aircon / heating, for example). Rear window is tinted too dark, and so is the rearview mirror (if you are wearing sunglasses, you might as well have no rear window at all). EXTERIOR: No Ultra Sonic Sensors. 19 inch energy sucking wheels. Stupid door handles. Walkaway locking, it works 'most' of the time. AutoPilot / Cruise lane centering 'fights' with you when you indicate to change lanes (dangerous) The steering wheel actually 'kicks back' at you when you try to force it to do what you want - and cancels the indicator at the same time). No speed LIMITER (to prevent you from speeding WITHOUT having to have cruise control on). No spare wheel, nowhere to put one, and nowhere to buy one either. Good luck trying the get it to open your garage door (I bought a new garage door specifically because it is designed to work with Tesla's - it doesn't even though Tesla says it should. Merlin brand BTW). There are more issues, but I haven't documented them all as yet...

[@hangemhighholidaylighting6902]

Yessssssss!!

[@samonnchhay]

Down because it's expensive right 😂

[@Albus-of9cs]

I love this car I wish they would revive this car and make it better cheaper lasts longer use catl batteries in this car

[@greghudson9717]

Highly unlikely a S Korean car Co would buy chinese CATL batteries, but you never know...