Why Everyone’s Favorite Kia & Hyundai EVs Keep Stranding Owners

[@KevNpton]

My sisters Ionic 5 had a monster problem when she got it. It knocked out anything it was plugged into charge. She thought it was her being too dumb to work out to charge. After not charging at a few chargers in town, she tried my mums home charger and tripped her power. As she was running low she took it back to the dealer and blew out their bank of chargers. She had her car for a week and lost it for 3 months it took to repair. To add injury to insult, the chargers that I could use for free that were nearest to me were out for three months after she tried to use them. The dealers were out for a few weeks too, so her ionic 5 was doing a real job on them.

[@shaunh7463]

This is very interesting indeed. A lot of public chargers have issues and I never considered it could be the actual EVs that are breaking them - everyone just assumes the chargers are crap. Then again, there’s still perhaps some truth to this - the chargers should have more protection from cars that attempt to zap them!

[@Wilem35]

@@shaunh7463 Well, they are crap if they don't have the correct safety measures built in to prevent this from happening.

[@jasoneldridge4738]

VW EVs do not allow the chargers to start until the vehicle confirms the system is operating correctly.

[@JimSiverts]

I follow this channel because I had an interest in getting an EV. The more I see this and other sites, I’ve concluded it makes no sense to get one of these things at this time. I’ve owned several Hondas over several decades and driven each of them to over 250,000 miles with zero problems. I just bought two more. The continuous problems and limitations of EVs just make no sense to me. Way too many unknowns and inconveniences. Sticking with gas. It just works.

[@KevNpton]

@@JimSiverts I don’t think you can knock it on one bad example. I had a Renault Zoe on a monthly rolling lease for months, and wouldn’t buy because I didn’t think it was value for money, but it worked OK. I’ve now had an MG4 for a year and it’s a beautiful drive, it’s in the same price range as Ford Focus. If I was comparing them strictly as cars, the range of a Ford Focus is 347 miles and my MG4 is 283 miles. The MG has a bigger interior and smaller boot, and leaves the Focus in the dust for performance. I don’t know how much a service or petrol is now, but my first MG service was £88 and because I charge at home it costs about £7 to do 350 miles (Focus full tank).

[@MrBeugh]

Hyundai also had an issue with the 12V battery discharging. The issue was apparently repeated queries by the wireless system to check on software versions of multiple applications. Limiting queries to just a few per night have addressed this issue apparently.

[@RolandGustafsson]

I've had my 2020 Model 3 Performance for more than 3.5 years (got it in Mar 2020) and have had zero issues other than replacing tires once. Yes, I had to add wiper fluid a couple of times! 😛 And yes, had to replace the windshield due to rock strikes. But zero warranty issues. Love it even more than when I got it, software updates make it better and better!

[@ucosmonauta4762]

Hi Sam, great channel. I have a EV6 (in Norway), not even 5’000km driven and this happened. Exactly like the post you have shown. Yellow warning and red on the next time I drove asking me to stop. I had to drive the car at 40km/h, couldn’t drive faster, must be some software limitation. I took pictures of it, tomorrow I will be at the workshop and you and your followers an update. Thank you for your good and informative channel. 👍🙌

[@ucosmonauta4762]

Confirmed today ICCU. Have to wait 6-8weeks

[@heyramineni]

@@ucosmonauta4762 if Norway has lemon rules like the US, use them.

[@timothysullivan7433]

Bought a 2022 k8a niro EV. It was the 3rd year for the model. Zero problems

[@Redix9]

I have a 2022 model 3 RWD I have had many service appointments mostly for panel gaps, alignment issues, taillight getting water in them. Trunk electric struts not working needed to be replaced twice. Alignment isssue. All resolved at no cost to me and taken care of quickly. Can’t complain other than that.

[@greghudson9717]

Don't buy a Tesla made in Fremont then. I've had no issues with my Model Y made in china.

[@Redix9]

You do realize they don't sell china built Teslas in the United States right?@@greghudson9717

[@axelf911]

How did they fix your panel gaps?

[@Redix9]

By adjusting some other pices which made it even more misaligned. I'm just one of the few unlucky ones. Ives seen allot of perfect model 3s 😢 with no issues.@@axelf911

[@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews]

Here in America, they fixed this. Software update that prevents overvoltage issue in the ICCU. About an hour or less at the dealer and the problem is solved. Some of the issues WERE caused by customers using 3rd party apps that dinged the car THOUSANDS of times a day in some cases which drained the battery. The coolant leak issue was very small and confined to Korea, I believe.

[@nigelcharles511]

The coolant issue was not confined to Korea as our UK Kia has been subject to a recall for a coolant issue.

[@bnovak2937]

My Kia Niro 2022 bricked at one year, saying it needed to be towed to dealer. They said 12v battery was discharged. Soon after that, started getting 12v battery low warnings. The dealer took the car and gave it back to me in 6 weeks. They did massive diagnostics and decided to just change 12v after all that. Car bricked again 2 months later. That was repaired, but now EV indicator light is always on, and local Kia dealer has 6 week backlog in service appointments.

[@Ted...youtubee]

Surely a car not fixable for 4 months is NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE and should get a full refund.!

[@zappbrannigan8325]

Had EV6 RWD GT-LINE for 35000 km with zero problems with The car. Has worked like a dream, just wanted to share something positive. New platform, like totally new technology, logically there will Be some bumps on The Road but then those are tackled, this platform Will kick ass for The lord! :)

[@markymarkreviews]

Had my Ioniq 5 P45 for 2 years and just under 30,000 miles. Had been flawless. No 12v battery issues at all. But now in workshop for ICCU failure. And have been warned it will be a long wait. Dealer & Hyundai response terrible so far. Couldn’t care less. Car has been fantastic up to now. They know it is a known fault. Just be aware it will probably fail at some point due to this ICCU fault.

[@AzimkhanYerzhan]

@@markymarkreviews Did you charge on AC most of the time?

[@z33317]

I am one of those that had the dead 12v battery problem. I had my 2022 Ioniq 5 for exactly 7 months when my problem developed. Now this may be difficult for some to believe (but sadly it's true) - my car was at my dealer for exactly 6 months until it was repaired. I had a loaner the entire time, but it was an ICE car and I had to pay for gas, when I should have be given another electric car (which comes with 2 years of free charging). I hired a law firm and filed a lemon law suit, and even with representation, my lawsuit is still not settled after over 9 months. Hyundai Corporation has been horrible and just ignoring my lawyers requests to complete the process. I don't know if all car companies are like Hyundai and drag things on and ignore requests to settle. I am now happily driving my second Tesla Model Y - I sold my first one to buy this Ioniq 5 which turned out to be a huge mistake. Now happy again with my Tesla. I've had to keep insurance on the Ioniq 5 for nearly the past year even though I was not driving it. I have owned about 5 Hyundai Sonata's over the years, and 2 Genesis G80's, and WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER HYUNDAI/KIA PRODUCT AS LONG AS I LIVE. This has been and continues to be a horrible experience. Hope you never have to use the lemon law.

[@10secondsrule]

This would put me off even looking at the company logo. Really bad experience.

[@hakonpettersen4140]

You got 2yrs free charging? I didnt 😮. Had my I5 for a year, then I swapped it in for a Tesla.

[@brandonlong2064]

Sorry 😞

[@pkerry12]

Should have bought a BYD or a tesla

[@pkerry12]

​@@hakonpettersen4140I got unlimited free charging because I live in Australia

[@007_TheWatcher]

I WAS on the verge of buying an EV6. I'll wait now that I know there are these issues. Thanks for your excellent reporting.

[@gmore70]

My KIa Niro EV 2020 had a recall for this problem as well. I received a letter from Kia. They open up my battery and checked the ICCU. They said they said if it was bad they would replace the battery. I still have the official letter from Kia Canada.

[@casperhansen826]

The problem is not that their cars have issues, the problem is that they won't acknowledge the problem and blame the customer nor fix it

[@SumanAndJoyce]

I had an issue with the 12v battery in my Kia Sportage discharging this week, and eventually diagnosed the issue as a software bug when the clocks went back in the UK. The car wasn't fully shutting down when turned off and locked. I sorted it out by turning daylight savings time on again and deactivating Kia Connect.

[@MrFester]

Got my KIA letter a couple weeks ago about this for my EV6. Had mine since Feb 2022.

[@wowlsj]

Hearing about this in social media, but have had my EV6 for now 18 months with 24k miles and zero issues; charging or service access. Only 8k checkups for $34 each. Clearly others are having horrible experiences with the cars. Hyundai does good cop/bad cop in the past. Ive had several of their cars with excellent experience except for the first. Took a year to solve a no start on the Elantra but afterwards golden. Sometimes they stonewall and others (the first EPA scandal) they come clean real fast and delight the market.

[@nowie4607]

How come you're paying for service? All new hyundai/kia should have a 10 year / 100k mile warranty covering free service as well.

[@matthiasloeser7776]

My Kia EV6 is now also 18 mo old with almost 24k miles. Just hit the issue with the 12V battery which all of a sudden went dead. Interestingly right after a voluntary software update. I recharged it, the dealer then tested it and said it was in excellent health. A week later the same issue again - had to have it towed to the dealer, who kept it for almost a month now to wait for a replacement 12V battery. Got the vehicle back, drove home to charge it and the charge flap wouldn’t open anymore. Back to the dealer for a quick fix… last 30 days only in/out of the dealership - very frustrating. Let’s see how the saga continues. If this happens again I’ll file a lemon lawsuit.

[@blabla903]

Imagine bragging about a car making it to 24k miles lmao.

[@GET2222]

I have had our MODEL X since 2016. Never had it serviced after 7.5 years of ownership. I’m on my third set of tires as we head into 90k miles driven. My BMW X5M has been in the shop 4 times this year two of the instances were not under warranty, which means a total of $3500 brake job was done at 47k miles. I have owned BMW all of my life - 25 years of ownership. This is my last.

[@10secondsrule]

So Tesla does not require any service at all?

[@205rider8]

@@10secondsruleTires, wipers and wiper fluid.

[@hobo1704]

​@@205rider8brake fluid?

[@tomschmitt8561]

@@hobo1704 not really, the only time I use the brakes is if someone pulls out in front of me, otherwise the car slows and eventually stops itself with frictionless regenerative braking when you take your foot off the accelerator pedal…

[@hobo1704]

@@tomschmitt8561 doesn't matter if you don't use brakes, brake fluid requires replacement on age..

[@jimgraham6722]

My Atto3 goes like a treat, no problems at all. Has 2.5KW V2L. Great value by the way.

[@almostthere100]

Other reviewers claim the Atto 3 is HORRIBLE and DANGEROUS. Dunno. When you floor it, do you feel terrible "torque-steer" as others have claimed?

[@jimgraham6722]

@@almostthere100 For its size and weight the Atto is a powerful vehicle (150KW). If you are in sport mode (unrestricted torque) and floor it in a turn, you do get torque steer. For experienced drivers who can anticipate it, it is not a problem. However, it could be a big trap for inexperienced drivers. On slippery roads in particular, with the vehicle's low rolling resistance (not very sticky) tires, you could quite easily spin out. In straight line torque steer is not a problem and in the sport mode Atto can easily burn off most ICE vehicles if that is the way you get your kicks. If I was training a young learner driver in the Atto I would take care to ensure they understand the nature of torque steer and how to keep out of trouble. In the Atto's normal and eco mode torque steer is not a problem as power onset is restricted. Of course, the Atto is not a sports vehicle, if you want that you had better get a Tesla M3 Performance. The Atto is however, a very comfortable well appointed family hack. It is much easier to get in and out (for oldies). It has excellent fit and finish and is much better accessorised than the Tesla. Drive it as it is supposed to be driven and you will have a great drive.

[@jasonw98]

​@@almostthere100throttle delay from our side

[@ronnelson06824]

My 2022 Rear Wheel drive extended range SEL trim went in for the ICCU and the VCU update two weeks ago Monday and is dead. It has been at the dealership for a week and they’ve been trying to figure it out. It was in a service bay this whole week and at least two techs were working on it… But now it sits out in the back of the building waiting for Hyundai USA tech-support or Hyundai Seoul Korea tech-support to figure it out .The best car I ever bought or owned for 39,000 miles and 19 months. I never had one single solitary problem. Huge kudos to Key Hyundai of Milford, Connecticut, USA for trying and getting me into a loaner car!!!!!!!

[@almostthere100]

Sounds like a wonderful car 🙄... enjoy your "best ever" car! 🤣

[@derekmarion7237]

What a ridiculous comment ...

[@greghudson9717]

@@derekmarion7237 Note that Ron is speaking is the past tense...

[@alisonlynch4198]

I have 2019 Kona EV on my 3rd battery replacement. This industry needs 3rd party repair options

[@jeanbergeron6451]

The ioniq guy said the 12v problem was related to the Bluelink application that was sending hundreds of signals per day. They have corrected the problem apparently. I have ordered an ioniq5 in January 2022 and I’m still waiting for it. In the meantime I bought a M3 from Tesla which I like very much. I don’t know what I’m going to do when Hyundai calls me.

[@James-ol6rw]

I wish I could order an electric car and buy another one while I wait!

[@FlipBoxStudio]

This is why Legacy brands can’t outsell or kill Tesla. They simply cannot meet demand anytime soon. Most of their dealership partners don’t even want to sell EVs. So legacy brands can brag about their new EV models all they want, but being able to mass produce them and make a profit is their biggest hurdle, let alone compete with Tesla’s products.

[@mnhsty]

That’s wild, considering how many Ioniq5’s are in inventory.

[@martymcfly3091]

​@@James-ol6rwi thought the same. People have Problems 🤦🏻😂

[@10secondsrule]

I know what I would do. Keep my Tesla and forget about the ev5. I used to hate Tesla for their bland design, childish CEO and sheep brain owners… but then I had a closer look at the competition for the similar price. There’s only one choice for myself as electric vehicle… mmmeeeeh…. mmmeeeeeh… 😂 I’m a convert.

[@chriskulp8906]

For what it is worth, I have had a model y for 24 months, a bmw i3 for 18 months, and a Kia niro EV for 36 months, all with no issues. Loved all of them, only ditched the i3 due to range. Still have the Kia and upgrading the model y to a model x.

[@ssgg164]

I have no issue with my EV6 I had it for 1.5 year. Very happy with it.

[@tommorgan1291]

Whooa! Wait a minute. NO! Not every model EV has issues. For example I'm on my third Nissan Leaf . let's go back and then to today. Here's maintenance issues I've experienced. Two wiper blades; one new tire, two factory recalls, one to replace under driver's seat bolt and one to reprogram something; one tube silicon to plug a rain leak and one new 12 volt battery. I now drive a 2023 Nissan Leaf Plus and I LOVE it!

[@newty8150]

Zero problems for me either in my old EV Kia ENiro which I had three years or my eV6. Some have had issues because of Octopus Intelligent integration issues where scheduled charging has drained the 12v.

[@Ian-xq4rt]

Just got my new Niro EV 23 model year so hoping problem has already been fixed!

[@flyingspirit3549]

Please keep us posted on your experience with your BEV!

[@bharok85]

I had their ICCU issue. was left stranded and had to get it towed to the dealer where it sat for nearly 4 months while they waited for new parts. Since then I have gotten it back but now it randomly stops charging about an hour into L2 charging.

[@airparnes]

Thanks Viking! I was debating if I should get a warranty extension on my 2019 M3 LR. After hearing about 98% long term reliability I will save my money for routine service visits instead. Cheers!

[@whowhy9023]

Routine service? On a Tesla? Do you mean tire changes?

[@almostthere100]

What "routine service visits" could you possibly be referring to? 🤔 More washer fluid? New wipers every few years? Tires? There's essentially no service on them.

[@alancwright]

Its quite scary because Hyundai only give 12 months breakdown cover. My Ioniq5 been in the garage multiple times. I am currently unable to fast charge the car and the dealership has told me they can’t even book my car in to get checked until NOVEMBER because they are overwhelmed with work. I will never buy or lease a Hyundai ever again, i should have stuck with my german car!!

[@flyingspirit3549]

So sorry to hear of your experience; appreciate you taking the time to post this. I'm considering buying my first BEV; sounds like I need to wait on this. Please do keep us posted!

[@seveglider8406]

I have an Ioniq 6. I was subject to a ICCU recall. Everything was fine and all they had to do was give a software update. Hopefully, I won't have any problems.

[@flyingspirit3549]

Hopefully you are right about no further problems with your Ioniq 6. I'm considering one as my first BEV; please keep us updated as to your experience!

[@seveglider8406]

@@flyingspirit3549 Everything is still fine with my Ioniq 6.

[@xiaoqimichaelzhang2751]

My friend bought bmw ix brand new . Car dead in less than a week after delivery. Been a month dealer has no idea

[@Yorick_Mark]

I own a new gen2 Kia Niro EV. I have had my ECCU fail 8 months into owning the car. took kia 2 months to get the car repaired. This happeded about a month after i just got the car back after the aircon in the car failed. This took Kia over 4 months to get fixed. This matter is now proceeding though Queenslands consumer affairs tribunal (QCAT)

[@Gazz73]

My 2022 EV6 stopped taking level one and level two charges after 2 years. Fortunately it will take a level 3 charge. I’m waiting for a new ICCU and I’m told that it’s been shipped. Wish me luck!

[@aussie8114]

I’m having no problems with my new Mazda CX-5. It goes great 😎

[@peterthomson127]

There is another potentially related problem which has just occurred on my Ioniq 5 (in the UK). After 11 months the AC charging has stopped working properly - it charges ok on 7.2kW for 10-15 mins then cuts out. Restart the charging and the same thing keeps happening. Using an obd scanner shows the VCMS (vehicle charging management system) is heating up while charging. It rises to 100°C then cuts out. Wait for it to cool a bit, restart charging, it reliably cuts out when the temp rises to 100°C again. After some experimenting it seems I can charge continuously at the 60% rate (4.2kW), but not at 90% (6.4kW). This is an issue for me as I have no home charger. I can charge at work, but time on the chargers is limited, so it is hard for me to get enough charge. I have to go spend time on dc fast chargers (dc charging works ok), which is expensive in the UK. This issue has been well documented in the US (see The Ioniq Guy). Why it should be happening after 11 months of no problems, including charging at 11kW, seems strange. Dealer visit is scheduled for Oct so we'll see what they say.

[@medicus1963]

A German KZbinr „Elektrobays“ had a problem with the tailboard originally from a low 12V battery. The tailboard did not close anymore only after a reset of the car. I think there are some different issues due to the 12V system.

[@alvinwasserman1397]

My son has a 22 and I have a 23 Ionic 5. He had ICCU failure at 11,000 k ( we live in Canada). His was out of service for about 3 weeks while new unit was shipped but given a free rental car and fuel. Seems like about 5% of the Ionics had this issue. Poor Hyundai communication while they worked on fix unfortunately. I got the software fix 2 months ago as it is now readily avail throughout North America. Dealership was great. Love the car. Hopefully this goes away. Adding a post script to this video would be a fair move.

[@itsiyke_]

I had this problem on my new Kia Niro EV. Just stopped charging at home. I could only use a rapid charger and at that it was capped at 35kw. That ICCU unit had to be replaced completely.

[@rohankilby4499]

Mate with a Kona had a new battery and ongoing issues with clogged inverter cooling systems due to crystalline build up in cooling circuit. If you’re not into Tesla then perhaps BYD no issues so far with blade batteries or BMS no issues with VTL and a fair bit cheaper to buy. Korean cars are 2 generations behind these two companies already I know where I’ll be putting my EV dollars 😁👍

[@greghudson9717]

BYD has one major drawback... It is incredibly SLOW to charge (about half the speed of my Model Y) measured on the same charger, side by side.

[@rohankilby4499]

@@greghudson9717 True mate, but not all of us mere mortals can access super charging yet, unfortunately all my regional chargers in Nth Qld are 50 kWh so your Tesla charging speed won’t help you much north of Gympie. I’m old need to pee often so 80 KWh charging speed is fine for me on a roady 🤣👍

[@greghudson9717]

@@rohankilby4499 I know exactly what you mean. I drove from Melb to Cairns via Dubbo, on used 1 SC all the way (in Toowoomba) 2 months ago so know all about the QESH. I lost count of the broken chargers, and on the way back I even encountered 2 broken SC's as well ! (Gympie and Rochedale). We made it there and back, but my wife was stressed to the nth degree. She was navigating, and saved our arse more than a few times by insisting we charge to at least 95% so we could skip the next charger if required - and it was required a LOT !

[@mullersilva406]

I had all that problems and more with my Kia Niro ev 4 on my trip from uk to Portugal…

[@wowlsj]

Thats checkup, like tire rotations. Cheaper than my ice car services as theyd include oil changes. Etc. Warranty is for defects of which there have been none.

[@cloudrdr]

Please, does this ICCU 12v problem extend to the KIA Niro Plug-In Hybrid version (or the Regular Hybrid for that matter)? In those cars is the 12v Battery charged by the ICE engine?

[@joesmith9483]

have they fixed the iccu faliures. Still hapnening on EV9s??

[@sundog486]

The big boys always get the the hardest beatings. Tesla owner here, it's not been without problems but they were fixed quickly. At least I know that if my car has to go in for an extended period, they won't loan me an ICE.

[@Dolkistan]

My ioniq 5 left me stranded 3 times in 10 months. Mostly when I left it on the charger overnight. They told me that the cars 12 volt battery kept communicating with the chargeport while it was full and it didn't recharge the 12v battery so overnight it drained the 12v battery and was dead in the morning.

[@robnelsonbayvillage]

Sam, love your commentary. New subscriber.

[@electricviking]

Yay! Thank you!

[@kristoffergo6973]

I have my Ioniq 5 for for 18 months now. Luckily I still have no problems. I had Hyundai Kona before. I'm in both Kona and Ioniq 5 group in the Internet. As I can read from the owners that having the issue with 12v battery are owners that leave their car in a really low state of charge like below 20%. Below 30% the car won't top up the 12v. And also they use third party apps.

[@roosterbooster6238]

12v battery failure is no secret - the kona and ioniq had this problem which is why I have a noco boost in my boot of my 38kwh ioniq

[@thalesofmiletus2966]

Yup. I too had a dead 12V battery in my Kona EV. No warning. Car just didn’t start one afternoon AA put in a new battery as original one was at 6V and goosed. Just shy of two years. Still fighting with Hyundai over getting them to pay for new battery (Bosch) as failure of OEM battery failed within 2 years.

[@patricksayavong2950]

Agree with the content. If Tesla has problems like that, the whole world and general media will talk about it nonstop. Other EV brands or Tesla killer brands, you would not hear anything about it. Slowly people realize there’s nothing better than Tesla for the money and safety ( battery fires) if they want to buy EVs.

[@simonlinser8286]

It is part of Tesla's marketing strategy. They are rogue and not mainstream and musk made it that way by choice. The big conglomerates are all about image control, being mainstream, and having control over who says what about their name. That's how Google and today's internet works. Big companies get special treatment and they pay money to stay safe, anyone who doesn't pay or have the power to do something, doesn't get those luxuries. Even worse you can't be seen online if you're not paying money, good or bad.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

My reasons for switching to Tesla are: Safety, Stability, Total cost of ownership, Charging infrastructure, speed, user interface

[@jaymac4448]

Tesla actually did have problems like this. And nobody really heard much about it at all. It's the same 12v battery issue that everyone else is having. Just do a Google search.

[@grayrabbit2211]

Safety? I know TWO people who had their Teslas catch on fire. One lost their house because of it too. Sounds like something else which was touted as "Safe and effective"

[@vvattup]

Sam, fair and balanced 👍🏼

[@tedwalker1370]

What if you attach a battery charger to the 12V battery and plug it into a 110 V plug on the car? Would that keep the 12 V battery charged and eliminate the problem?

[@FutureSystem738]

As our Model 3 passes it’s fourth birthday I will list the troubles and maintenance on the car since new. 1. Troubles, problems, warranty repairs: ZERO 2. Maintenance: filling the washer bottle. Rotating tyres F to R. Checking brake fluid for moisture with a tester. (It was fine). Replacing the cabin filters. Vacuuming and washing. ALL DONE BY ME. That’s it. (I’ll never buy another ICE car.)

[@danhutchins3237]

Never had an EV...but it sounds like my ICE cars are exactly like your EV's! Nothing but driving and enjoying a trouble free existence! 😃

[@FutureSystem738]

@@danhutchins3237 After 50 years of ICE vehicles, doing all my own maintenance, it’s just incomparable. (Yes, I was a fan of ICE in my youth, loved mods and improving my cars.) Oil changes, oil filter changes, fuel filter changes, spark plugs (very long life now, but not always the case), gearbox and diff oil changes, brake pads and rotors, weekly or bi-weekly filling the tank, and much more. Our Model 3 is almost entirely charged by our roof top solar, so it’s cheap as chips to run. It’s performance makes my hot V8 cars of the past seem like absolute slugs. We also still own a 2014 diesel SUV. It now gets used literally ONLY for heavy towing. There’s just no comparison- like last century vs this century. It’s very safe to say I’ll never buy another ICE car.

[@danhutchins3237]

@FutureSystem738 That's great! But most of the things you listed have never needed doing with any of my cars.. Purchase cost is the issue for me! I can't justify spending big $$$ on cars, never bought new... And the market for used EV's is fairly non existent at this point.. So I'll stick with my diesel powered ute for now 😃

[@wobby1516]

My Kia Niro EV of 2.5 years old was recalled a few weeks ago, not entirely sure why as I’ve had no problems at all since buying it new. 🇬🇧

[@nigelcharles511]

Unless Hyundai/Kia have two separate problems associated with the 12v battery I believe that, on the few occasions it happens, the 12v battery is being discharged and damaged by the onboard 12v charge unit. This has happened three times to our 2020 Kia Soul EV. After the first time I fitted a 12v battery monitor which subsequently captured interesting symptoms. For us the common factors are in winter, overnight and without any external charging. The symptoms were the voltage on the 12v battery jumping between about 8v and 17v for most of the night. Next morning the car was totally dead. This is not good for the 12v battery and will significantly shorten its life. After our second failure Kia changed the battery and charged us £95. So much for their 7 year warranty! They claimed they only provide a 2yr warranty on that part. After complaining to Kia UK and pointing out that after market batteries often come with a 4yr warranty they eventually refunded me. My symptoms prove that this fault has nothing to do with owners and if I as an owner can produce graphical proof of symptoms they could at least take an interest in what I have discovered. As it is, as this is only happening to a few cars, nothing will be done.

[@jeffreybloom]

I own one. It has been a big nothing. Just had the recall and software update install. Fixed. This is a big nothing burger. It’s been a great car. And I also own a Tesla M3P that I love. All in on electric. Hyundai’s biggest problem is bad customer communication while they were figuring this out. The recall and ICCU replacement if needed was rolled out 4 weeks ago.

[@mikefrith1590]

Same experience as you.

[@Goodhello369]

Its not nothing, you’re just coping. Did you not watch the video lol.

[@damienhoneyford2088]

I had an Ioniq 5 which died due to an ICCU failure at 9 months after delivery and ~3k miles. After 3.5 months at the dealer, I finally got them to agree to buy back the car, but based on my experience, I would not buy another car from Hyundai / Kia or via a Holdcroft dealer -- they were absolutely useless every step of the way.

[@dune6727]

Did u get all your money back

[@damienhoneyford2088]

@@dune6727 Not all of it, no, but far more than I could get selling the car elsewhere.

[@dune6727]

@@damienhoneyford2088 noted Thanks

[@Hazystarsz]

I had my ioniq 5 16 months and iccu failed only on the ac charging, it was blowing the fuses on all the chargers I tested. The dc charging worked but the iccu needed replacing and took a month to get, the service from hyundi was terrible and lacked care with no phone calls and changing promises to make sure I wasn't out of pocket.

[@turng]

I had my ionic 5 since April 2022 and no issues. I feel fortunate . 🎉 However do to issues mentioned here, I have a few anxiety moments of owning the Car.

[@bibian2523]

1.5 years with my Ioniq 5 and now waiting for an ICCU replacement after been at the shop for 5 months without any diagnosis… let’s see how long it takes to get fixed 😬

[@ericgregori]

The ICCU has been a constant problem for the E-GMP platform. Owners are forced to go to the dealer for every software update creating long waits for service. On top of all this, the ICCU is hard to get resulting in cars being in the shop for weeks.

[@Starelfwood]

Every s.w update? There has only been 1 regarding potential fault that could affect use of car and that’s the latest one that was launched a couple of weeks ago.

[@StuartJ]

I have not had an issue with the ICCU, but got an e-mail asking me to make an appointment for a software update. Got it done a few days later.

[@gmore70]

Mine was in for 2 hours to check the ICCU. I got my recall letter from Kia, called my dealer, was in right away. Had it back before lunch. Positive was they replaced the battery coolant for free.

[@ericgregori]

@@gmore70 Did it fix the problem? The ioniq Guy is talking about working with Munro and associates to look into this. I am extremely curious to the root cause.

[@gmore70]

@@ericgregori the checked the ICCU there was no issue. The Kia recall is to look at all ICCUs. If there is a problem they replace it. Mine was good.

[@buixote]

Any problems with Niro or Soul?

[@Yorick_Mark]

Yes. My ECCU failed in my GEN2 Niro EV

[@janjrgensenstergaard7265]

Can it have anything to do with the american 2 phase charging on Ioniq 5; in europe we use the 3 phase charging and I havn't read af many ICCU faults in europe?

[@djtaylorutube]

I asked a similar question of someone in the US. They use single phase 48A whereas in the UK, we're *almost* exclusively also single phase but at 240V so max current is 32A. It seems the issue is with the higher current in the US. I could be wrong though.

[@abrahamr.bustamante3185]

Ive had charging problems that started within 12 months of ownership, now the 12v battery discharges constantly and they can’t figure it out. Dealership told me exactly what you said in the video, that it was my fault. Im so sick of these reliability issues, I have to carry a jump starter with me because I never know when the car will suddenly die… I will be seeking help from an attorney for lemon law

[@Dougc405]

My ICCU failed after 13 months. It took 6 weeks to repair and then another month because someone hit the car on the dealer's lot. Still waiting to get the software update. Appointment is not until November.

[@Wayne-e1z]

Some of their marketing footage is hilarious. Yep I sure need to stop on the side of the road and do my ironing.

[@scottiswatchingtele]

i had a 22 kia ev6. my yellow dash light would start pulsating after having it for 3 months. most of issue around if it sat for a time, the 12v would go bad. if you let it go too far, it'll brick the car. not easy to get to it. do not check the app whilst the car is sitting in a car park for a while (4 days). if you do, it wakes up the car and drains the 12v. i got rid of the car after owning it for 4 months, 1 month past my nightmare ownership experience of the model y. i got rid of it after the 5 over msrp fad went away (and before they lost their 7500 rebate).

[@GeraldAnthony-wm4zl]

My 5 has been in the shop at least six times. The 12 volt dies frequently. First it was blamed on the BlueLink, then the key fob. Last time I was asked how we exit the car. I use the doors. Such a shame!

[@greghudson9717]

Typical dealer, try to blame the customer.

[@apagoogootwo7552]

ask the dealer for an extra iccu at no cost to you upon delivery so you're not waiting for parts if it leaks. have them commit to repairing it within a week if it happens to your car.

[@MichaelNugentDDS]

My 2023 EV6 AWD Gt line , 15.5 k miles, has been at the dealership for 6 days. Just got word the ICCU is toast. New part on order. ETA unknown. No car for me. :(

[@cbcdesign001]

After two discharge issues with the 12V battery on my 38kw Ioniq, I now carry a jump starter pack in the car just in case. I also turned off anything that could drain the 12V battery due to the vehicle waking up, including the mirrors pop-out function where nearing the car. Their management of the 12V battery is pretty poor, it should never go flat when kWh of energy is available in the traction battery. I wont ever have another South Korean EV again.

[@andreasklossek9252]

1:53 There where plenty of searchresults " Hyundai Recalls", not that hard to find. But i have to be honest, i don´t give to much about it. Even when in headlines stated Tesla. Those things happens. Before EV and with EVs. None is safe on that.... Still not sure, why doing it on Hyundai, just because most report on Tesla. When everyone has problems, all are equal :)

[@deanlandmark6008]

My ioniq5 died after it was service at dealership. Next day after service dash lite up with multiple errors. Took it back. First month no curtisy car. 20 weeks later lost my mind. No lemon 🍋 law in Canada. No help from Hyundai. The owner of the dealership felt my pain. He also owned a Nissan dealership in a nearby town. Got offered what I paid for it towards a Nissan Ariya. I took it. So far very happy and more stable charging.

[@bradbarger]

Charge port overheats, research before purchase. Class action suit following from Hagens Berman.

[@vvvci]

Dear Electric Viking - this is valuable information... but you have to go to 9 mins in the video to get to the point And even then, you have to listen to it 3 or 4 times because your narrative is so disjointed. Can't you please get to the point in the first minute or two, with emphasis on clarity and precision? After all, that is precisely - precision and clarity - why Tesla EV cars are so popular, not the mumbling incoherence of not having your car work for four plus months until Kia/Hyundai get around to fixing their new vehicles.

[@mauriceharting5877]

I agree with Sam that the Kia and Hyundai EV issues are much bigger and complicated to fix. With Tesla most of their issues are solved with an easy and quick software update which do not require bringing the Tesla in for repairs. With Kia and Hyundai it appears to be more a hardware and design issue or issues, which requires extensive and expensive repairs in the shop with long delays for Kia and Hyundai customers. I think Kia and Hyundai need to provide their customers with courtesy EV's for free until their EV's are fixed. Blaming customers for issues related to poor hardware and design issues is not right for it shifts the blame when it should be an internal matter at Kia and Hyundai management.

[@keithnewton8981]

They did make a big change within 10 months they drop the 73kw battery pack and replaced with a different battery pack 77kw. Also there is a weakness in hyundia's 12volt battery they do die after about 12 months the dealer total use aboutvthis as we were having issue with our 12volt battery discharging the dealer gave use voucher to purchase another battery from brand. The 55 and 77 kw battery packs don't seem to have this issue .

[@JirkaPech]

I have got 2022 model (one of the first in EU), owning it for maybe 2 and half year... till dead 12V... but I think that its 11-12 months, from Hyundais recall and update ICCU unit... so probably that update killing it in 12 months? :/

[@niller8p]

I have a 2022 AWD Limited and had my first dead 12V issue last week. Waiting to take it to the dealer next week. Really could go for some mobile service right about now... even if to replce my 12V under warranty.

[@greghudson9717]

You should check to see if it really is a 12v (lead acid), because it MAY actually be a 16x Lithium iOn instead...

[@ftremblay1029]

I have an Ioniq 5 since 15 months now. It’s normal that everyone in this forum will talk about the issues they had, and I wish that your problems wil be resolved ASAP. From what I heared, it’s a handful of Ioniq 5 that had the issue with ICCU, isn’t it? In my case, I had no issues. I like the super fast charging 350 kw/h (try to beat that Tesla! 🤪).

[@Mythicregard]

Seems to be hard to find reliable 350 kw chargers even in California.

[@vnorvi]

I’ve had mine for 15 months. 10k miles. Zero issues.

[@Defience12]

This is valuable information! Thank you very much! I will wait before I purchase a Electric Vehicle! I will continue to stay with Hybrid!

[@MrEd2291]

The problem was with Hyundai/Kia only, not all EVs.

[@brikardii]

Hyundai recall ioniq 5 for replace ICCU.

[@cinthe3]

That coolant swap issue is enough to keep me away. As cool as it looks.

[@mitsu.hadeishi]

I own a 22 Kia Niro EV and a 23 Ioniq 5. This video is a bit rambling and confuses a bunch of separate issues which isn't surprising if you haven't been following these issues. First: these are mostly separate issues, so it's a bit disingenuous to suggest they are all somehow mashed together into a single "oh no Kia/Hyundai are all terrible!" theme. First: the ICCUs are failing on some E-GMP cars. A small fraction but definitely it's been happening. I've had zero problems and so have many others, but Hyundai/Kia did issue a recall and had dealers inspect the vehicles, update the software, and replace ICCUs or fuses if needed. We shall see if this prevents further failures. But again: most E-GMP cars are fine. The 12V issue is completely different and has multiple causes. One of them is apps that keep waking up Bluelink. This can be caused by some power company apps believe it or not. ICCU failure is sometimes the issue as well. There is also some overheating with level 2 charging. There has been a software patch for this also. Finally the coolant thing has never caused a recall in the US and I've never seen anyone talking about this. The supposed Korean recall has never been confirmed. There may have been some Niro recall several years ago but that is a completely different, unrelated car. I have never seen anyone talking about this supposed coolant issue in the US Ioniq 5 groups.

[@moa2252]

Totally true, as an owner of an Ev6, I must admit that this video is mixing several issues into a single one. Never heard anything about the coolant/electric issue, except for some of the early owners, losing some coolant, that was a minor fix, not causing any damage. The 12v battery has his fix done by limiting too many access to KIA CONNECT SERVERS. The ICCU stuff that causes 11kw charging problems is occuring in the USA. The heat generated in the plug is due to the particular 3 phase norm there. No problem in europe. My 21 Ev6 is fine (75 000km), not any issue, no degradation detected (except for the paint job, as bad as Tesla's). Not saying that there is no problem BTW.

[@KP-xi4bj]

Same parent company.

[@mitsu.hadeishi]

@@KP-xi4bj We know it's the same parent company. The point is, the coolant issue with the Niro is a totally different car, different platform, chassis, etc. It's absurd to conflate this with nonexistent "coolant" issues that are based on some unsourced rumor about Ioniq 5's. Come on, Electric Viking - at least talk to some actual experts in these cars. As I said I have not heard about this supposed coolant issue for either the Niro or any E-GMP car in recent model years. It's like trying to search for all sorts of random unrelated complaints and mashing them together in one video as if it means they're all happening at the same time to the same cars. The E-GMP cars and the Niro are not related, and I have heard zero reports of supposed coolant leaks in the E-GMP series except for that unconfirmed rumor from Korea. The ICCU issue is real, as are the 12V and L2 charging issues, but this is a brand new high tech platform and some of these issues are not happening outside North America and the vast majority of E-GMP owners don't experience any issues. There are bound to be issues in new technology but defect rates are not super high. The E-GMPs are also by far the fastest charging vehicles in their price range, faster than Tesla. Let's get real here folks.

[@KP-xi4bj]

@@mitsu.hadeishi The point is same parent company. Therefore, same shoddy engineering. Do you honestly believe that engineers don't move around within subsidiary companies? LMFAO SMH

[@mitsu.hadeishi]

@@KP-xi4bj Oh come on, give me a break. That is just a silly comment; you're totally missing the point. I'm not objecting to the coolant part of this video because it is a Kia - I'm saying it is not a sign that there's some sort of general problem with leaking coolant across multiple cars Hyundai Group makes. The only verifiable thing he talked about was some sort of coolant issue in an old model Niro which isn't even happening now. There is zero evidence of any coolant problem in E-GMP cars as he would find out if he talked to actual people who know anything about these cars. Obviously Hyundai Group = Hyundai and Kia. Everybody knows that hahaha

[@robmurray6430]

Great channel however one thing bugs me a bit. What is the correct pronunciation of Hyundai? My understanding is it rhymes with Sunday???

[@cedriclynch]

I remember that when the Hyundai Pony was first sold in the UK (I wonder if anybody has still got one) we were told that the pronunciation of Hyundai should rhyme with Sunday. More recently I have heard advertisements on the radio that said "high tech, high spec Hyundai" and pronounced it like "high and I".

[@robmurray6430]

The correct pronunciation is 'hun- day' I believe,,,let's see what the people in the know say.

[@crsp76691]

Sounds like the Becm issues with the 2nd gen chevy Volts!

[@crsp76691]

Had mine fail at 27k.

[@brianc5788]

No issues with my Hyundai Kona after 20 months though!

[@thalesofmiletus2966]

My 12V battery failed after 23 months and 21days.

[@rose415]

Got a letter from Hyundai for iccu recall. Iccu inspected and software update, will update if any problems follow

[@andrewgraham7659]

I would have an EV if it was practical. That would be mean having reliable infrastructure, reasonable time for repairs and services, having a wider variety of selection, and manufacturers who met or exceeded their production goals. I was watching the Sonders EV the three wheeled, three seat EV from Storm Sonders. I think it would be more practical for me. E motorbikes would be a game changer if they were safe and practical...

[@Songer80]

It is because Tesla won't give them (the media) any advertising money.

[@StuartJ]

It's just a software update. No big deal. Had my EV6 done the other day.

[@danharold3087]

Software can not fix a leak.

[@bobstevenson4396]

Same with my 2023 EV6 in Canada, left the car with the dealer and two hours later the ICCU software and the software that turns on the brake lights during regen braking were upgraded. Drove away with no issues!

[@StevenSiew2]

I wanna to complain about Telsa! It due for a timing belt change because it has reached 120,000 km but the dealership does not even know what a timing belt is. Even my grandfather knows what a timing belt is.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Spot on mate

[@johnporter5828]

Bad news. I was thinking of a KIA or Hundai as our next EV. Will have second thoughts...

[@flyingspirit3549]

Same here.

[@cbcdesign001]

I would not have another Hyundai, they are nowhere near pro-active enough in solving issues in my opinion. There are plenty of other Evs to choose from.

[@flyingspirit3549]

@@cbcdesign001 This seems to be what a number of KIA/Hyundai buyers are saying. Thanks for sharing.

[@lucidf8]

I thought the ioniq 5 an interesting EV, but bought a Tesla Model Y. I considered possible service issues and decided a Tesla Service Center is only 10 miles away, and the factory is only 400 miles away. It’s not thousands of miles away, across an ocean. I know EVs are supposed to be low maintenance, but until they have proved themselves (even new models), you need to err on the side of caution. So far, the Tesla is fault free after 18 months and 18,000 miles, which is what I hoped would be my experience. I’m hoping this car will remain trouble free for many years.

[@TomTomdog]

My coworker Tesla model Y battery went totally out unable to start. He only had the car 2 years. Lots of EVs have this issue

[@ZeusBullyMax]

I call bull crap. Lots of EVs don’t have that problem. Where do you get your information from? You’re one coworker? The car battery you’re talking about is 12 Volt. It is not the battery pack that went dead. Hundreds of ice vehicles won’t start because of their 12 V battery every day around the world. Did your coworker happen to leave his lights on at night?

[@danharold3087]

@@ZeusBullyMax Ford and Rivian had a lot of coverage a few months back on dead 12V. The Ford owners crawled in the frunk to reset the computer by disconnecting the 12V battery after chareing IRRC.

[@ZeusBullyMax]

Ford and Rivian had a lot of coverage? That doesn’t equate to the number of cars that are having the problem. Definitely Tesla is not having that problem.

[@mnhsty]

My eGolf 12v died right as the warranty expired. What is it with EV’s?

[@TomTomdog]

@@ZeusBullyMax there is no way to leave the head lights on with Tesla

[@crystaltriforce64]

so they have no interest in fixing the issues and think all their problems will be solved by blaming their customers....ok then i'm never getting either of those brands again

[@nicholasglade4572]

My friends brand new 2023 Sante Fe Hybrid looses power while driving once in a while. A dangerous problem. Hyundai took the car for repair, they do not know what is happening so they say they have to keep the car for over a month. They did give him a loaner car, a small gas powered one.

[@martingill6996]

Feel like it it’s trying to run before walking well, maybe manufacturers are trying to do too much to compete in tech and need to concentrate more on the basics.

[@markfiddy395]

I was an admirer of Kia/Hyindai ev models until this. Think I will stick with my cheap but cheerful (and to date very reliable) MG ZS EV

[@almostthere100]

Friends don't let friends buy cheap Chinese junk. Your life is worth more.

[@richard--s]

​​@@almostthere100maybe a cool Ioniq 5? But it's nice of you tu buy him a new car - with his money? Well, it's his money, tell your friends they should not interfere with other people's money ;-)

[@glennpuckeridge6244]

​@@almostthere100, Teslas are built in China as well as the US. The Chinese Teslas have far fewer quality issues.

[@greghudson9717]

@@glennpuckeridge6244 Absolutely correct. I've got one. But its china not China.

[@danhutchins3237]

@@almostthere100 Almost everything you own is probably made in China...