Killer Or Cover-Up Murder Trial: Day 14 Recap

[@CourtTV]

#CourtTV Was John O'Keefe's death cold-blooded murder or is the defendant #KarenRead being framed? MORE HERE: www.courttv.com/tag/karen-read/?

[@Planet_Shel]

I think they're throwing her under the bus or, should I say Jeep with snow plow?

[@PJTYLER]

Karen is being framed.

[@jtjones4081]

So Julie Nagel casually invited her brother and his friend into a crime scene after they had come to the house to pick her up?? Yeah, right.

[@mjdonahue65]

@@jtjones4081 exactly none of the conspiracy theory makes sense. Why would her brother be in on this conspiracy and his brothers ex girlfriend. The vast conspiracy is throwing spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks and cause doubt to get a killer off whether she did it on purpose or by accident.

[@LoveFree333]

Do you have these guests on just for clicks or to stir the pot? They all seemed very unprofessional except for the guy on the top right.

[@FREELUIGI89]

I was hit by a drunk driver on my motorcycle who was going 50mph thru a red light. I flew half a block, a vehicle hit DOES NOT do those wounds to an arm at ANY SPEED, SHE IS INNOCENT!

[@beastghostt]

He also had two black eyes and blunt force trauma to the back of his head. In your lived experience, does that make a single lick of sense?

[@jasminerosepetal]

Neither does a glass he is drinking from - which also makes no sense because he was drinking beers all night.

[@mamarobyn]

I work for HD. In the service department so I see a lot of accidents, a lot of banged up bikes and a lot of banged up People...Really glad you're ok..

[@amandahall476]

What nice people that cared for John so much. "That guy", and a "black blob". Seem like lovely people

[@nettiea9384]

Yup agree. They r all on survival and attack mode. Both sides! A man lost his life and there’s no emotion… I guess the years gone by desensitized everyone. The cops handled this case abominable.

[@rainaeasley7863]

@@AnnaChristie-vp4ipI agree

[@SF-zp5px]

@@AnnaChristie-vp4ipso you think her phone records are all correct…except for the deleted calls between her and the victim and the 2a internet search that was deleted? She’s been victimized by her own phone data? And if you found your friend dead, would you call 911 saying “there’s a dead GUY on the lawn?”

[@jasminerosepetal]

@@nettiea9384 right, and he was one of their own! No surprise that they left two victims in their wake. No wonder Karen didn't want to go inside and didn't want John to go inside.

[@ninopaola]

No It’s NOT normal in a group chat and state “ the guy was never in the house”. Why do they need to remind themselves of the truth??? Really ???

[@chart3861]

Right…….

[@jenniferdokken8250]

Spot on! My sentiments exactly there is absolutely no need to get the story straight if the story is true

[@truecrimenut6696]

EXACTLY….THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT. KAREN IS INNOCENT.

[@lcpharm]

@@jenniferdokken8250innocent people would say “John” , not distancing themselves as if they were writing a story.btw…agreeing, I don’t think I sounded like I was😆

[@jenniferdokken8250]

@@lcpharm right supposedly he was one of their best friends, a co-police officer, brother in blue , and they referred to him as “the guy” ? Either they are in sensitive as heck or they’re guilty as sin …I believe the latter

[@mininjas]

I still don't understand how it got this far. The investigators are too close to the people involved. There's too much potential for bias. Even if they convicted Karen, she has grounds for appeal. But there's too much reasonable doubt. What a waste for everyone

[@theartsypixie2771]

Exactly. I see reasonable doubt all over this, and if by some slim chance she is found guilty, I see it overturned just on the judge's actions. All that being said, now I'm curious about what these people are up to behind those doors and shades with their shady actions.

[@colexxiii]

it almost seems they want her to be found not guilty so they stop investigating. if people keep digging they may find out the truth and implicate those trying to cover it up

[@Yogib123]

It's not a waste because John deserves justice regardless

[@mininjas]

@@Yogib123 I think prosecuting Karen is a waste. He's not getting justice through that. Imo

[@TimU2Cool]

Especially Karen and her family. Can you imagine the expenses involved in her defense 😞

[@WhitePaint5775]

The McAlberts are so shady

[@davebardellini9305]

This guy saying Jenn McCabe was credible is delusional

[@valiakloeppel7252]

Why. Facts matter

[@jacofalltrades7610]

i dont know how court tv still lets him on. it is shameful the lawyer too. former employee of colin albert 😅 1000s of people that could comment objectively and they choose these jabronies. it boggles the mind

[@steve10]

Are we supposed to believe someone who just found her partner dead is going to ask a friend to use Google to ask how long it takes for someone to die of hypothermia. No one asks that , it's a lie to try and cover for her using Google at 2.30am

[@jacofalltrades7610]

​@@valiakloeppel7252facts would be great. i love a good argument. kevin provides nothing of the sort. he just supplies variations of "nuh uh youre wrong" or "just wait and see" - constantly showing his disrespect for American law and the presumption of innocence. he speaks in absolutely reckless absolutes that none of us can actually know. it is shameful that Court TV still platforms him. i can only hope its not a personal choice, Vinnie 😅

[@steve10]

The guy with the grey hair and beard is a professional irritant , he seems to be invested in the police families. He was embarrassing trying to cover up for them all

[@doreenhuston9623]

Allie McCabe in my opinion slipped during her testimony and said Colin wasn’t even there when John was there. Then her Dad Matthew had to read his text where he was telling the group to say John never came in and Chris Albert responded exactly. Their testimony knocks holes in the prosecutors case in my opinion.

[@snobbybeauty2210]

Its Brian Albert who responded « exactly »….. its obvious, karen is framed. Jen is dangerous liar 🤥

[@debrashawcross170]

That's why she cried 😭 she realised the implications of what she said 💥

[@kabbystevens5167]

Allie and Chris were not in the house, Allie only stopped to pick up Collin…how does Allie and Chris know so much about the people in the house??? How does Chris and Allie testify to such knowledge???

[@Demonace34]

The statement would be true though. She is saying that even if you thought John was there (the people who believe the conspiracy) then Colin wasn't there at the same time so he wouldn't have been able to commit the crime. The people who believe this conspiracy have to first believe that someone in the house did it, then have to believe that the people in the house were dumb enough to put John on their own lawn and then also be able to keep everyone in the house in on the conspiracy the entire time. (This is including the people in the house that are only friends and not blood related).

[@mjdonahue65]

At does not equal in. Clearly John was at the house since he was found dead on the front lawn. Inferring that means he was in the house is just not using any type of logic or reasoning. She is stating that Colin never saw John at all that night.

[@doreenhuston9623]

The Albert’s also got rid of their aggressive dog.

[@jill2675]

Nothing fishy about that 😂

[@melonmelon7427]

They re-homed the dog, the basement floor, a bunch of phones and the house itself 🥴

[@Gatorman23O5z]

Replaced the flooring in the basement then sold the house

[@TheLydia1011]

@@melonmelon7427 there was absolutely no dog dna on John 🤭🤭🤭

[@francescawilliams8177]

@@melonmelon7427and his career

[@DesignRhythm]

Jenn's 9-1-1 call sounds like she's reporting on paint drying.

[@jenniferdokken8250]

Probably the same way she is when in bed with her husband! Her thoughts are probably,” I think I’ll paint the ceiling brown….” she seems like a wet blanket no emotion whatsoever.

[@TheSkipTracer]

So would mine be because I'm very calm under pressure. Now later on, things catch up with me. All these claims that she's lying because she was calm, is BS.

[@jenniferdokken8250]

@@TheSkipTracer it was scripted and rehearsed

[@LadyLuck13]

​@@TheSkipTracerbut yet she was hysterical when she ran into her sisters bedroom. She said a guy was passed out in the snow. A guy, her friend, was more than passed out in the snow. He had visible injuries

[@jtjones4081]

How many times have I heard the crazy, yelling, person calling 911 and the dispatcher telling them to calm down cause they can’t understand the location etc. Jen handled the call perfectly and like an adult so as to get help ASAP.

[@crimetimeAU]

Jen McCabe - invited John to the house. Jen McCabe - Googled "how long to die in snow" Also Jen McCabe - "found" Johns body with Karen. (More like she knew where his body was the whole time. Imo) Jen McCabe - makes 9-1-1 call. Talk about controlling the whole situation feom the very beginning.

[@crimetimeAU]

..... Then they all went to McCabe's house to give statements at 11:30am? She is involved in every single step. So strange. Not to mention the fact Jen has crazy eyes!

[@user-pe2qg2qe4z]

Jenn was not the one who found John. But was Karen Read that run over to where Jjohn was Laying

[@GeorgiaJakes7]

The “butt dials” don’t make sense. Forget the fact that someone deleted them.

[@crimetimeAU]

@@GeorgiaJakes7 yeah, why delete them if you have nothing to hide?

[@crimetimeAU]

@@user-pe2qg2qe4z she was the one driving Karen's car and stalled going to the Fairview house by insisting on going to John's place. So she drove the crime scene vehicle? She wanted to keep a really close eye on Karen.

[@REDDEVIL9269]

This is a mad case we never have anything like this in the UK. Imo there's no way a car does that damage to his head without any to his body🤯

[@MrsParksIsInTheHouse]

Exactly!!!

[@REDDEVIL9269]

@@AnnaChristie-vp4ip he's 6ft with only head injuries and she has a broken tail light. It doesn't take an expert to know how impossible that is!

[@melonmelon7427]

@@AnnaChristie-vp4ipI am a nurse and have seen road traffic accident victims, that is most definitely not the type of injury you would see after what the prosecutor alleges. IF (and this is a HUGE IF) the SUV hit JO, the injury would be in the chest area and to the back of his head as he would hit the ground. Also, do you know the kind of speed it would take to catapult someone where he was found?

[@Splashling25]

You don't really need to be a coroner or anything, common sense really when you look at his injuries

[@John-sweeney333]

With snow on the ground one would tend to think if he was struck by the SUV he’d a been swept under the vehicle and severe head trauma and numerous broken bones would have been inflicted.Not to mention alcohol may have impaired his mobility.This case stinks to high heaven.Why did the Alberts get rid of their dog? Why did they sell their home? Why did they re carpet the basement? Their testimony is like Swiss cheese,full of holes.This is a cover up of epic proportions

[@TKE1009]

The manner in which the McCabe's speak in their testimony about their "friends" John and Karen is despicable, IMO.

[@katelynbrown98]

Right. She's annoyed her friend was in hysterics bc her husband was missing in a snowstorm

[@rachelLadyD]

I thought it was telling Karen went with them in the morning not protected from snow. The others had their hoods up, were guarded, looked with heads down walking tentatively and guarded like sick with guilt, Karen looked genuinely worried why he didn't come home, like she was the only one clueless about the scene she was about to encounter. The way the woman Jen described Karen as 'straddling' her dead boyfriends body was honestly rude and disrespectful, trying to make Karen look bad,

[@TKE1009]

@@rachelLadyD You make excellent points here, I didn't even think of these things, but you are so right! I truly felt Jen McCabe especially made a very purposeful attempt to make KR sound "crazy" and delusional in her testimony on Friday. They're really trying to "sell" the prosecution's motive. I suppose in their minds they have no other choice. But an innocent woman (KR) should not have to pay for their "alleged" cover-up.

[@TKE1009]

@@katelynbrown98 sure sounded like that. I really felt while listening to Jen McCabe testify that she was attempting to "over-sell" the KR is crazy and delusional = motive for murder narrative that the prosecution has put forth. Why would the McCabe's bother to do this unless they and the Alberts truly do have much to hide (allegedly)!?!

[@josephkain6213]

@@AnnaChristie-vp4ip Does it get kinda tiring spewing endless lies Anna, even for a femasshole?

[@1e2b9-]

"Tell them the guy never went in the house"

[@Ms.truecrimebuff]

They don’t believe that!! They’re crazy

[@dramallamamama]

Exactly

[@JohnPeter-yf5jf]

That's the whole case in one sentence. This case will never be solved now, but like OJ We know who did it.

[@Alemaniaturquia]

Since the guy went into the house. The judge should be gotten up and Dismissed oh hold on She should dismiss with a solo cup, leaf blower, stop and shop bags, ok hold on she should had demise with but Dail.butt. Deleted texts phones Oh, hold why what Karen did? Whyare we here?

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

One of many facts coming out before the defense has even started. Anyone with a functioning brain knows KAREN IS INNOCENT

[@evilqueenyiayia]

I'm glad you did a family tree. 😂

[@debrashawcross170]

From Reports, there are details of 20 People at Scene, includes within the Albert's Home, and Chloe the Dog. And Experienced Plough Driver ... A total of 21 People that potentially have details of what happened.

[@nikkimclay5474]

Yeah wow enough reason for a cover up & they all turned on KR despicable behaviour

[@PebbleBeachSouth]

Yep, almost a straight line of collusion.

[@jenniferruth812]

Me too. I took a screen shot so I can refer to it as needed. This is so convoluted!

[@PJTYLER]

You know, if they are going to add Trooper Proctor to the family tree even though he's a friend, you should also add the judge to the family family tree to show (all of the people) that she is chummy-chummy with. I think it's very important to show all the people that she is partial to be friendly with while she is being bias towards K.R.

[@mylesmontclair]

Vinnie and Court TV. The guests you have for this case are a joke. Do better.

[@marcopalazzo9349]

Those two muppets didn't even watch the trial.

[@sandcastlesp]

Nick Rocco is a joke

[@WestonLambert-k3c]

Keep in mind one of these so called panelist is Collin Alberts lawyer that was hired before he even got questioned about this case. How many kids Collins age keep a lawyer on retainer , especially if they weren't a witness to anything? And even if he was a witness to something if he didn't commit a crime himself he wouldn't need legal representation for? It only shows Collin is guilty of something

[@jacofalltrades7610]

​@@WestonLambert-k3ckevin is an idiot, but i really dont understand why theyd have someone DIRECTLY connected to a witness! it is crime journalism malpractice imo. i feel like vinnie dies inside when kevin talks too long

[@jacofalltrades7610]

​@@sandcastlesphi kevin 😅

[@silvergem5]

Thanks!

[@tll5293]

The panel is so DUMB!!!

[@Floridafanatic28]

Completely agree! Especially that Joseph dude. He's clueless, lol!

[@MaraCrocker]

Before I watched the panel, I thought you must have been exaggerating. Nope.

[@TKE1009]

@@Floridafanatic28Exactly! Clueless and also temporarily represented Colin Albert - completely biased and should not be on this panel, IMO.

[@eleanorsvenson2958]

Thanks for the heads up. I’m not watching then.

[@TKE1009]

@@MaraCrocker Before I researched all of the facts we know so far in this case, I thought conspiracies such as alleged in this case were ridiculous and that KR was likely guilty. Now...in the words of Trooper Proctor, "NOPE", lol.

[@beverleykeller5950]

THIS jenn is a liar!!! When you lie,you can't keep your story straight !!!???? One minutes she see's full red lights in Karen's car and the next minute she says the light was broken???????

[@koreo7318]

Didn't the lights look absolutely fine in the police dash cam too?!

[@KathleenHelms-nq1vk]

Cops probably broke the light.

[@PurpleLover808]

You can tell that she's lying, just look at her eyes 👁️👁️

[@stevenprice6957]

@@koreo7318at 640am lol. Yeah ok.

[@jtjones4081]

The thanks Jen and Kerry get for being there for KR at 5:00 in the morning during a blizzard is to be accused of redrum. If KR calls, don’t answer.

[@HRUnknown-xe4pp]

Oh Jen, LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!

[@TheLydia1011]

attack is your only form of defence. Karen is going down

[@HRUnknown-xe4pp]

@TheLydia1011 🖕🏻No, she's not.

[@JohnR-it1dj]

​@@TheLydia1011Wanna bet?

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@JohnR-it1djThey don’t have any money to bet or i would be.

[@stevenprice6957]

Text msgs says he isn’t lying. Footage of them going to John’s house says it’s true. I know you’d want far to be lying if you are a Karen supporter but facts are facts. John didn’t go in. We know that. So do you unless you want to ignore facts.

[@derins1609]

Commonwealth vs Common Sense

[@Rumi-Descendant]

lol no kidding 😂

[@TimU2Cool]

Hopefully some of the people on the jury have just a little common sense 😮

[@ladyberd4]

EXACTLY

[@The_CrackedPot_Christian]

​@@TimU2Cooloh yeah, people have reported how the juror's are responding: waiting on every word from defense attorneys , meh for the boring, slow and low energy prosecution attorney. They are just like you and me: they smell the BS and the courage of Karen to fight this corrupt town. She's gonna win. Place your bets please 😜😊

[@Ji5-24]

KR’s PREVIOUS ADMISSIONS (EXAMPLES): 1. WBZ-TV Report 3 Feb 2022 (on YT) regarding the court hearing on 2 February 2022 (where KR faced the charges relating to JO’s death and was released on $50k bail) and upon questioning (as verified by the above report on YT) she told LE: - She dropped JO off because she was having stomach issues. - She made a 3 point turn in the road and left. - She did not see JO enter the house (this contradicts her interviews a year later). - Therefore confirming she did take JO to the Alberts house in her SUV (verifying the sightings of her SUV out the front are true). - She first observed her broken taillight that morning and did not know how she broke it (this contradicts the allegation it was due to hitting JO’s SUV that morning - if she had hit JO’s SUV at around 5:00 am she would have known exactly why her taillight was broken and said so if it were true (story that’s also come out later). - Confirmed she had said at the time of finding JO: “I hit him” - 4 times. - Both her and Yannetti (representing her) were in the court and accepted the above with no denials. - It’s been said, Yannetti had referred to the incident as being an accident when speaking to the media outside the Stoughton District Court and managed to negotiate a plea deal of 16 months but KR rejected it (didn’t want to do jail time). 2. Boston 25 News on 8 August 2023 (on YT) - Parents interview whereby her father says she told him (shortly after JO was found and as verified by the above interview on YT) that: - “Dad I think I struck something”. - “I remember backing up and hitting something”. This is obviously referring to hitting JO, otherwise if she was referring to (allegedly) hitting his SUV she would know and say that, and would not be using the word “something”. KR was probably quite/very intoxicated. We know she and JO didn’t eat at the WF and there is no mention of them eating at CFM either. Possibly no food in her stomach since lunch time at work (approximately 12 hours before) and we know she was loving the alcohol (she stole a drink from one bar to take it to the other). THE ABOVE ARE IN TOTAL CONTRADICTION OF THE DEFENSE AT THIS TRIAL AND THE CONSPIRACY THEORY. Also it was only after a year later when the state upgraded the charges to second degree murder, that the whole alleged conspiracy theory was formulated and began, and also at that time she began alleging that she saw JO go into the Albert’s house (which she had never said before). * The truth never changes nor does it need a good memory *

[@lyxiagaming]

Thank you, great comment. Unfortunately most people will not read this because they dont have the brain capacity to process details like this..

[@EC-dz3fb]

👏Thank you!

[@Ji5-24]

@@lyxiagamingYou’re welcome. Thank you for taking the time to read it and I hope it was helpful in some way. I agree certain people won’t read it, or may but they will but then ignore it because they don’t want to hear it as it goes against their narrative. It’s certainly an interesting case but could be a total waste of tax payers money sadly and in the event KR really should have obtained a plea deal.

[@Ji5-24]

@@EC-dz3fb​​⁠You’re welcome. Thank you for taking the time to read it and hope it was helpful in some way.

[@citigirlcountrified1927]

​he reason it became more of a defense was that karen hired someone to extract the phone records. Smart move.

[@Lifeisshortby]

One fact for sure,they’re all a bunch of drunks. Off duty cops wife’s,and girlfriends driving around drunk ,they do this because they know on duty cops won’t arrest them.

[@hangemhigh3578]

Exactly and they are worse than ordinary people.

[@nozza17]

Watching from Glasgow Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿.. that poor man was murdered in that house..

[@jeffreyfrerichs1078]

No way Alfalfa.

[@Delphine-bk24]

100% agree. The state’s explanation makes no sense, coupled with a sketchy police investigation… no way Karen is guilty.

[@catme13]

NO, he wasn't

[@mandimoo4073]

There is a little bit of doubt.

[@Firestorm-n1s]

Yes he was & they got rid of their cellphones, when ordered to turn them in.

[@ldyresq]

I needed this detailed recap so much👏👏 Thanks Vinnie!!

[@MissteryDiva]

Even if she hit him-Autopsy shows beaten to death, dog bites & hypothermia-Brian & Colin Albert & Higgins brought John down to basement.John reported Colin for dealing drugs which led to his arrest

[@cherylj7460]

How do you know the autopsy results before they’re presented in court? Can you cite a source? I’d like to read those reports.

[@stevenprice6957]

Lol

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@cherylj7460Pretrial hearings and the grand jury indictment.

[@kathywedzik4905]

John reported colin for dealing drugs?? Is this a confirmed fact? Thats a motive if so!

[@hugostiglitz5976]

Hypothermia? Dang that must’ve been a cold basement.

[@TimU2Cool]

NOT GUILTY. NOT PROVEN BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT

[@marcopalazzo9349]

What trial are those two men watching? Lol

[@missychelle33]

Clearly a different one than I am!! lol bc they are even saying things that HAVE NEVER BEEN SAID BY ANY WITNESS!! Where are they getting their info?! KR was talking about his ex gf in the back of the car on the way to find him? No. No one has said that at all. Not once

[@Delphine-bk24]

I believe this is indeed a coverup by the Alberts. Sounds wild, but there is no way Karen killed John with her car. She was the only person in that group who was desperate enough to go look for him and find out what really happened.

[@65cj55]

Yes, and she found him, right where she left him, even seen him laying in the dark before they reached the tree line.

[@katelynbrown98]

Right. And Jennifer had the nerve to say that another woman called Karen crazy. Even if she did hit him, I don't think it'd be murder. Maybe manslaughter.

[@65cj55]

@@katelynbrown98 Not sure about crazy, but definitily short tempered and controlling..

[@dukedematteo1995]

It does sound wild and OJ-like, and dumb.

[@jtjones4081]

If I dropped my girlfriend off at a house the night before and she didn’t come home I would assume she stayed there and would wait until a reasonable hour, say 8:00 am, and call that house. That’s what anyone would do. The house wasn’t in the projects, FFS. If they said she never came in the house I’d only then start to worry. Why was KR so crazy at 4:30 am??? Why did she assume something bad happened?? Hint, she knew.

[@SkippySkippy-oy4eo]

If Karen was in such a hysterical sense, not making sense, how would she remember the word hypothermia? Doesn’t make sense when Jenn said she was talking gibberish…..

[@Demonace34]

It was an act. How does she magically see where John is on the side of the road? (because she is the one who left him there) Even in the cop dashcam you can tell you wouldn't have been able to see off the side of the road without a spotlight looking directly at him. Karen led them both back there, acting crazy, asking if she could have hit him (to multiple people). Karen had plenty of time to think about her act when she stayed up from 2-4:45 to make sure he died (Johns bed was made which means no one slept in it that night).

[@nikkimclay5474]

@@Demonace34why go back to the scene of crime & incriminate yourself ?

[@Planet_Shel]

I think JM was sniffing snow while JO was in the snow. Sad.

[@janeevans1859]

@@Demonace34she might have slept on it rather than in it but we only have Jens word for it that it wasn’t slept in. If she didn’t, where was she all night? It’s barely half way through the case. Let’s see what the defence presents

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@Demonace34😂😂😂🤡🤣

[@jasminerosepetal]

Of all the state police to do an investigation, how did Proctor get assigned that role? Talk about conflict of interest! Jenn McCabe comes across as one very tough and ugly (inside and out) woman. And, why is she texting John at 12:40 rather than Karen who she had been encouraging to come before leaving the restaurant. And, if John didn't pick up, wouldn't she then call Karen? But, she didn't because it was just to make it look like John did not show up. Makes no sense at all unless she was already trying to cover something up. Her credibility is nil. She insists that she didn't see John but then goes directly to Karen opening up his shirt to do compression. She said nothing at all about brushing snow off of his shirt to get to it, only his face. It totally sounds like a setup especially since Karen dropped him off at the driveway and that flagpole is about 50' away from the driveway. Her husband stating, "Tell them the guy never went into the house!" How depersonalizing to John. Why would he even say something like that? That's as bad as his wife texting John and not Karen to see when they were arriving. Makes no sense at all, unless there is a conspiracy. It is also interesting that Higgins, whose car was directly facing the "black blob" saw NOTHING and that after acting dumb throughout his questioning. All of the connections are too close. And Jen McCabe picking up Karen to drive by there is just too telling ... a complete setup! And, aside from all of the bruises, there is no way the slashes on John's arm happened by a broken glass. The length of his arm area is way too expansive for it to be glass from his drink.

[@bendoubleu7516]

“Hos long to die in cold when we put you there”

[@boucherjane9424]

That was my question why did he look that up if he didn't know he was out the lawn sounds strange to me if they had nothing to hide why not go out and help him! Not cuz they were drinking they were gone and Cops! Then he gets rid of the dog, phone, and house weird

[@lenemostert9849]

Can’t wait for cross examination on Tuesday! Jackson is going to shred Jen to pieces! 😂😂 Thinking Jen’s believable… you are crazy!

[@stevenprice6957]

Her phone doesn’t lie. Either does the video of them going to the house. Either does the conditions that morning. I think you are clutching. Karen is as evil as it gets.

[@lenemostert9849]

@@stevenprice6957 so you’re saying the FBI expert is lying about the Google search? She already contradicted herself. Testifying Karen showed them the taillight and screamed when they stopped at John’s house, but the video shows all 3 women going into John’s house the moment they stopped! 🤣

[@LogicallyLegalThings]

“Tell them the guy never went in the house…”

[@HimAgain70]

exactly!

[@Demonace34]

If your friend died and you knew they never came to the house you were at, you'd want to correct the statements made by the news stations suggesting he was there because it was false. Just goes to show why conspiracies are thriving in the landscape today. These people were friends of Johns that wanted justice and make sure the investigators/news weren't putting out bad information to the public. Why are the youtube comments always talking about random one liners from testimony when we have voicemails and testimony of the kids saying how much Karen hated John, and Karen left voicemails to John saying she hated him.

[@Planet_Shel]

Though the response to the news media probably did indeed need some consistency but, referring to the deceased as 'the guy' seems odd to me. Trying to distance themselves so much. Why?

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@Planet_ShelBecause they murdered him. That’s why

[@serena9543]

beause he never did

[@paulineannevazquez8233]

All heavy drinkers.

[@beverleykeller5950]

Hot tempered and they believe they are above everyone and anyone!!!!

[@Yogib123]

Drunk fools 😮😅

[@vincedidiana5781]

Absolutely. Massachusetts should change its state abbreviation from MA to AA

[@Anna-cx4tg]

Karen the heaviest of them all

[@YoitsDeMo]

@@Anna-cx4tgis your last name albert or mccabe?

[@T-coon]

What about the 54 call's to Canton police complaining about Collin 😲 that were not responded too 🤔

[@luckyme4277]

I missed this calls about what?

[@tll5293]

Where did you get this info?

[@T-coon]

@@tll5293 From LTL & It came out of Tom cpu ' s mouth. T.stamp 147.35 last night.

[@T-coon]

@@luckyme4277 See my sub comment; there was something I also heard about Collin harassing John Okefe, and someone else said drug's; I just try and Keep people informed about what's being said; it's up to us to find out whether or not it's hearsay. Someone else in comments said that they have it for evidence; who ? I don't know.

[@drewc771]

​@Christ810 what is LTL and who the heck is Tom cpu??

[@michellestover2114]

Kevin, literally, stop acting like this is some open and shut case. The way you make excuses for EVERYTHING.. it's DISGUSTING and embarrassing. You can't agree with anything because you have your small little mind made up and thats that.

[@catme13]

Well, it seems that you also, have your small little mind made up! What the hell is wrong with you Turtle culters?? You are all a mean agressive bully mob!

[@jenniferdokken8250]

I think he has his big chopper teeth made up good Lord!

[@65cj55]

@@jenniferdokken8250 You can't argue the message, so you attack the messenger.

[@Mrglock54]

I cannot stand that MF Kevin. His face and voice bothers me a lot. 🤬

[@sierramcclary2897]

I agree with Kevin. It is an open and shut case.

[@PJ_222]

My take on Jen she was crushing on John thats why she never took to a friendship with Karen. Remember how Jen would be involved with his kids. I would bet the bank on it!! A bored house wife, bitter that Karen came onto the scene. She seething with dislike & jealousy that John didn't except her advances suddle or bold. 911 call theres a Man passed out on the lawn. Yes the Crime Family are all in on it. Karen was "Framed" Absolutely You gotta question Matt & Jen anticipation of John coming inside the house? Looking out windows, doors, texts!!!

[@amyfromcali9051]

@PJ_222 - definitely agree. She had a crush on John & disliked/was jealous of Karen. If some other chick was texting my boyfriend that much, that’s be a hell no for me .

[@debraronan8389]

Joseph must have rose colored glasses on.....

[@PJ_222]

@@debraronan8389 Not sure who you are referring to (Joseph)? I do know Matt McCabe surely did or did long ago Marrying Jen!!

[@Firestorm-n1s]

AGREE 100%. She kept looking out the window waiting for John to arrive. Jenn is creepy!

[@PhotographerAZ]

WOW Vinnie, This really helped me with the photos / names... AND I watch every day in court. You should send this as a demonstrative aid to the lawyers for those poor jurors!

[@enigma_-_79]

When I watch anything about the Read case, I pray that I am never asked to be a witness to a crime. These family members are not being treated as witnesses, they are treated as if they were perpetrators of a murder. It’s awful and immoral. The rabble outside are turning this trial into a circus. It’s deplorable to think that this is where our legal system is today.

[@BoxerClover]

couldn't have said it better myself.

[@Firestorm-n1s]

They are part of the family coverup. Have you been following ALL of this?

[@enigma_-_79]

@@Firestorm-n1s 🤣🤣🤣 She ran over him. Family cover up my a$$

[@Rumi-Descendant]

Jen McCabe is that narcissist manipulative soccer mom that we all want to avoid lol looking forward to her cross tomorrow😅

[@cherylj7460]

It will be brutal!

[@charrielyn1231]

@@cherylj7460 Let’s hope so!

[@stevenprice6957]

Karen is Gawn

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

I dont think soccer moms drink with minors

[@stevenprice6957]

@@notsorryyouretriggeredI didn’t think normal women leave their man to die. She’s a Nutter. Karen is pure evil.

[@13k1ngs]

Vinnie ,please tell whoever does your intro to stop showing Kevin Linehans video. It shows Officer O'Keefe being hit ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE HEAD in that video

[@YoitsDeMo]

Just stop having kevin on at all. Giving him screen time he doesn’t deserve

[@freyacollins5264]

Johns family and friends are good people and seem wonderful parents

[@amandahall476]

They texted eachother about "the guy was never in the house". Got them there, no getting around that

[@SassySouthernSusan]

Sandra Birchmore case deserves justice too! Same town. Same cover up. Couldn’t live in this town.

[@NotoriousOne617]

its amost like they will do anything in this town to hide a murder because Karen wouldn't cop to vehicular homicide now we have this

[@WestonLambert-k3c]

Would love to know more . Is there anywhere I can look up info on that case as well?

[@tommyconnolly7749]

When is " Motive" going to start???????

[@kabbystevens5167]

When do we get evidence????

[@stevenprice6957]

Jealousy? Who knows. Maybe she’s just a nut job. Women kill and mostly people they love once loved. They don’t kill strangers like men do.

[@kristenpino4635]

The jury doesn't even know what the States theory is! Lol

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@kristenpino4635The jury will have to believe that Karen, the after party skipper, was SO heavily intoxicated and angry that she reversed on ice at over 20mph into John. Sent him flying TEN FEET from the curb onto the Albert yard and it gave him 2 black eyes, multiple skull fractures, a cut on his nose, and 2 inch laceration to the back of his head. BUT he didnt pass instantly after such an impact that only slightly cracked Karen’s taillight. He lay for hours on the lawn to succumb to hypothermia but was never seen by any passer by. Yet, Allison knows Colin wasn’t at the house when John was there.

[@TKE1009]

@@user-nh5ew9ck4z Also took only one of his shoes, which shockingly, was never located by investigators, if it simply went flying as KR's SUV hit John O'Keefe. Oh, that's right...that was likely another item of John's clothing "allegedly" left inside the Alberts house, which was never even searched, though it was technically a part of a crime scene.🙄

[@keiththoma2559]

So per the defense theory JOK enters the home and is assaulted within a few minutes of entering the home? That theory makes 0 sense.

[@Alemaniaturquia]

Can u get kill in 14 minutes yes

[@jjhenry9064]

CW "theory" doesn't make sense, either, and they have the burden. Defense doesn't have to prove a thing. But, they are proving that witnesses were hammered and stetchy, conflicting stories and utter nonsense (butt dials, magic disappearing Jeep, text/phone deletions, etc).

[@keiththoma2559]

@@Alemaniaturquia Again though. He walks in and is supposedly assaulted by an individual who wasn't even there at the time almost instantly? The idea that a minor will out of the blue assault a LEO over his brother cutting through the yard a few years ago seems like nonsense to a normal person.

[@TimU2Cool]

Did you review the testimony of the victims injuries. Totally consistent with assault

[@keiththoma2559]

@@TimU2Cool State ME has yet to testify. The ME report has yet to be made public. Let's see what ME will testimony will say .

[@Kate72Sweden]

Watching from Sweden 🇸🇪

[@neurodeee]

Ha, Germany here. Looking at it from an European distance, can we agree the evidence seems pretty damning?!

[@kowgyrl]

When you have on your conspiracy glasses and headphones, everything you see and hear will look and sound like a conspiracy

[@Firestorm-n1s]

Listen to the evidence!

[@aprilpavia348]

You need to start paying attention to the EVIDENCE

[@SaraWoodsss]

But they forgot to change the date on screenshot from 28th to 29th, after midnight ❗ Falsificationof evidence, ccccc ccc c 😡

[@nuorigin]

Yes and the judge should have made her authenticate that before she let her perjure herself

[@DOTTIE25]

There was also a comma after the date- there are no commas on an iPhone

[@The_CrackedPot_Christian]

Screenshots!! The investigators could have demanded the phones and downloaded all the data, not rely on witnesses submitting their own evidence. This is a deliberate effort by the investigation team to make it easy for the witnesses and subvert justice for John.

[@catme13]

DEBUNKED...look at your iphone and see what it does!

[@LindaTaz]

With all this activity and yet nobody saw a body laying in the front lawn. And expect the jury and the public to believe their testimonies😂

[@michellestover2114]

So the location data was "not accurate" showing him in the house, the time stamp data was "not accurate" by not changing the date when the texts came in after midnight to/from Colin/Allie. The 3 flights of stairs recorded were also magically "not accurate"... oh and lets not forget the searching for "hos long to die in snow" at 2:27am was magically also, not accurate?? Give me a break!!! John wasn't found until after 6am. How did she know to look that up 4 hours prior? Oh and lets not forget "the guy never went in the house"...........

[@amyfromcali9051]

…which was also, ‘not accurate,’ lol

[@hugostiglitz5976]

I’m in my house right now, and my location shows I’m on the front lawn… idk about you koolaid drinkers

[@DrewP617]

Kevin should of stuck with big foot theories

[@stevenprice6957]

The defence will come up with that one soon. I mean I’m surprised they haven’t gone down the kangaroo theory yet. Karen did it and no one else.

[@bethanybergeson4192]

Ugh, he annoys me to no end. So does the attorney.

[@jewels07]

@@stevenprice6957 lol….go have another drink 🤦‍♀️.

[@itsjust_Lisa]

I can't wait for that awful, biased lawyer to have to eat his words. I hope Officer O'Keffe's ex girlfriend didn't mind having her name thrown out there in a murder trial.

[@maximoo79]

Hos long to die in the cold at 2.30am!!!!

[@stevenprice6957]

6:30 more like it. Great story though. Sound like the defence

[@maximoo79]

@@stevenprice6957 see what the technology experts state.

[@jill2675]

She is a liar, just like the rest of them

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@stevenprice6957Try living in reality. Just because Karen reminds you of the women who reject you; doesn’t mean she did this. You’re desperate

[@Jamlf]

@@stevenprice6957 Well, hopefully they have her cellphone and they can check the time of the google search. Don't need guess work when they have cellphone data. Which funny enough the prosecution never brought up. They could easily have shown when the google search happened.

[@steve10]

If she sees a car outside at 12.30am , and believes its john , and then texts him at 12.40am., then how is it she doesn't see or hear the so called "murder" , if you are hanging around listening out for someone you think is outside then you would be alert enough to hear a car reversing at speed. It's all BS. There was no hitting him with a car at all , she is basically saying that in 10 minutes of wondering where John was that no one saw or heard an accident.

[@jacofalltrades7610]

you are a liar because karen is guilty because center console. duh - Kevin

[@barbaramedlock4337]

I feel for that women going thru so much and being out numbered by cops that cant answer qustions and keep saying can u refresh that i didnt understand the question come on who u kidding

[@stateradio115]

I think it's more likely that Karen accidentally hit John. Not sure why the DA charged her with murder as there's very little evidence to support it. That said, there is some interesting evidence suggesting a coverup. As a result, that puts reasonable doubt into any argument the prosecution makes and the jury should find her not guilty. There also could be an acquittal.

[@stevenprice6957]

Because she left him there even if at first it was an accident. If she chooses to get help he could have possibly lived. She didn’t. That’s murder in the 2nd. That’s the law.

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@stevenprice6957For the sake of all women in society. Seek therapy and mental health resources.

[@VictoriaLeigh313]

It also seems plausible that one of them may have accidentally hit him, resulting in them covering it up. It's definitely a twisted case and so far, there's way too much reasonable doubt IMHO

[@ylianacarlisle9994]

@@VictoriaLeigh313 I agree. I don’t think he went into the house. But something definitely happened to him outside like an accident and it could have very well been caused by someone in that house. But I don’t think he was intentionally murdered by anyone.

[@VictoriaLeigh313]

@@ylianacarlisle9994 the one thing I know for sure with this case is that there is entirely too much reasonable doubt for a guilty verdict

[@Janevelyn]

Vinnie you absolutely positively rock!!! I wanted to make what surely would be an amateur rendering of this family tree by rewatching everything to date. You saved me so much time and aggravation!

[@missychelle33]

No he doesn’t. He states false things, and makes things up bc they sound great on air. He’s no journalist

[@mykingofkings1439]

Why would they need to "frame" her or anyone, when they could've just said they accidentally hit him with their car? If they expected his injuries to pass as being hit by her car to "frame" her then...why not just say they hit him?? If Proctor was prepared to "frame" someone to cover up something then... why wouldn't he just put down as an accidental death?? This would allow the family to be in the clear and it would've been case closed... Why would they frame her for murder, ??..when an accident would be enough for them to get off and avoid a trial. The explanation that requires the fewest assumptions is usually the correct one- Occam's razor. Karen said in her own interview "I thought, did I unwittingly incapacitate him and in his drunkenness he had passed out" In that same interview she says "I saw him walk to the door"... Now... if Karen saw him walk to the door then, why would she ever have thought she may have hit him? And why didn't she bang the door down on the house that morning...if she knew he had gone in there? At the beginning she said..she doesn't remember dropping him off then that changes to... I saw him walk up to the door.

[@prudenceappleby5111]

Nick Rocco, where you there 🤔🤔🤔🤔?

[@system_error2510]

justice 4 O`Keefe !❤ free Assange ! ❤

[@hersheyssmith2104]

That nick roco guy can be a psychic! He knows what happened that night without being present in the crime scene! What a total joke bwahahaha

[@pdtenn6829]

Tomorrow is going to be fun watching Jen get shown to the world how cruel she is

[@926paaja]

Let’s hope she stops the constant mouth smacking like a freaking suction cup 😂

[@EffSharp]

This defense seems a little nuts. It seems that a better defense would be that she didn’t know she’d struck him with the car; it was an accident. Much easier to believe than that the people in the house killed him for some unknown reason, all decided to lie, put the body outside and somehow planted dna on her car? Thats… not probable.

[@BoxerClover]

u mean she should've just told the truth.

[@Miss_Cherry]

If i killed someone, I'm not leaving him on my lawn!

[@SkippySkippy-oy4eo]

You do if blaming someone else

[@1e2b9-]

Well, good for you

[@TheAngryKilljoy]

Well if someone was found dead on my lawn I would expect my house would be the first place searched and that I would be first person they questioned and investigated. If I knew that wouldn’t happen perhaps I wouldn’t bother to move a body any further than that.

[@josephkain6213]

Except when you can control the entire narrative.

[@Miss_Cherry]

​@SkippySkippy-oy4eo no, actually, I would not. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe its a setup. I just don't.

[@marrietvisser6195]

What a nice reward for drinking yourself so drunk to the point that you don't know or remember what happened or what you have done 🙄

[@Ji5-24]

THE JO WENT INTO THE HOUSE THING: 1. KR never said JO went in to, or to, the Albert’s house until a year later when the conspiracy theory was formulated. 2. She never told LE that at the time (she said she dropped him off - no mention of him going in to, or to, the house). 3. “WBZ-TV Report” - 3 Feb 2022 (on YT) regarding the court hearing on 2 February 2022 (verifying what she told LE at the time). 4. Via interviews after the conspiracy theory began a year later, she then said this but has given two different stories (contradicting the first story above that she didn’t see either of these things): - She saw him go into the house. - She saw him go up to the front door of the house. 5. Interviews: - ABC News - ‘Accused slain cop’s girlfriend maintains innocence | Nightline’ (on YT). - TODAY - New questions emerge surrounding ‘Taillight Murder’ (on YT). 6. Proving KR has given three different stories at different times as to JO and the house and coming across as telling lies and can’t get her story straight. Ordinarily: THE TRUTH NEVER CHANGES and DOESN’T NEED A GOOD MEMORY!

[@Whickedkoreanamericanelizabeth]

Karen ABC interview said, she waited for John (he was knocking the whole time) to go in the house in front of the house for 10 mins. He never went in the house. She just left him outside with no coat in the cold. Who does that?

[@stevenprice6957]

Karen lies so many times. I’ve lost count.

[@jewels07]

@@stevenprice6957hmmmmmm your name resembles a bot. Just like the comment above yours

[@BoxerClover]

@@jewels07 so does yours. u run on batteries or megawatts? 🤖

[@jewels07]

@@BoxerClover ?? Are you posting under the right comment?

[@Whickedkoreanamericanelizabeth]

@stevenprice6957 her story has changed so many times over the years. It's awful how 70+ people who are innocent are harassed. This makes KR deplorable.

[@Ji5-24]

MATT McCABE “THE GUY” thing: 1. This was regarding what to say to the media. 2. JO’s name had not been publicly released at that point so technically JO was at that time “the guy” and could not be named, hence Matt said “tell them the guy ……”! 3. It also came across to me that Matt would be the best person who knew how to deal with the media (what to do and say) rather than Chris, for reasons that go without saying.

[@bikersdream58]

No DNA of dogs! Beaten WHY? She could have hit him and left she doesn’t look like an Angel to me!

[@TimU2Cool]

What caused the marks on his arm?

[@stephaniemichele_truecrime]

No mention of what KR supposedly said in any police reports!

[@The_CrackedPot_Christian]

Made up after the fact

[@katekrieger4646]

Speaking from day 13 of the trial, this is what happened: 12:14 John and Karen leaving together from the bar asking ‘Where to?’ To Jen McCabe who replies by calling and offering directions. 12:20 John gets out and goes inside after discussing with Karen that he would text her when he got in to let her know she should join him and is welcomed. He heads down the stairs and is immediately attacked by the family German Shepherd who had attacked two previous occasions. He punches the dog as he is trying to go back up the stairs away from him and the dog is hurt severely. The drunk and aggressive Collin punch John out, knocking down the stairs onto the concrete floor hitting his John’s head, lots of blood. The men of the house (both officers of authority) directs Collin to leave immediately. Everyone is gathered and told they are all going to prison if this gets out. Jen McCabe or someone frantically looks outside and sees that Karen is still out front and everyone hear’s John’s phone ringing from Karen calling. Jen McCabe thinks to quickly text John saying ‘Hello?’ And ‘Pull Behind me’ knowing that Karen cannot see the text. Karen finally leaves so they decide to claim John never came in and that Karen hit him. They wait until early a.m. to drag him up the basement steps and out the basement door and straight out to the curb using the Ford SUV as a cover from the neighbor’s ring camera across the street. They all leave and remind one another of the ‘story’ from there on out.

[@katekrieger4646]

Karen the next day cannot remember where the house is so goes to Jen’s knowing she is the only one she knows who can get her to the Fairview house again. Jen proceeds to kill an hour gojng everywhere but Fairview assuring Karen there is no way John is there…Jen MacCabe and every other adult present that night guilty of murder! John died of Hypothermia!! NOT the head wound!!!

[@stevenprice6957]

Lol

[@citigirlcountrified1927]

​@@katekrieger4646thanks. Great summary.

[@jaybee508]

I don't know that makes Nick Rocco an "expert". He's a hairstylist with no educational background or experience but just wants to demoralize those with credentials. He doesn't need to be on this show.

[@io132]

they would have had to plan to make it look like karen hit him - far fetched

[@drewc771]

Once youre convinced something's a conspiracy, you can get sucked into this circular logic that makes everything look suspicious, no matter what happens.

[@josephkain6213]

Technology is not circular logic drewdrop

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

You are so absolutely dumb. I have to laugh because it’s so sad that adults have no logical reasoning

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

Im sure you actually believe that. The reality is that you are one of few people who can not determine facts from lies.

[@francescawilliams8177]

I actually did think it was a conspiracy. At day 13 I was like “WTF.”

[@berniecoffeydaly6047]

I agree but seriously so many inconsistencies

[@tonysam380]

Karen was framed by the police and court

[@DOTTIE25]

Jen is such a liar

[@debrashawcross170]

I have 23 people in the Albert's house, or yard, including Lucky the Plough Driver and Chloe the Dog, 'prior' to approx 6: 10 am when Police Arrived.

[@alistairallen829]

Do you think she is trying to emphasize the "Did I Hit him" and "Could I have hit him" and the broken tail light, why would Karen the if she was guilty, a guilty person wouldn't reveal that she would have kept that quiet.

[@doreenhuston9623]

Jen McCabe didn’t hear Nagle say she saw something on the lawn when she said she was turned in her seat talking to the girls.

[@alexalorirose340]

none of the alberts, the mccabes, or julie seemed credible to me

[@Lallystimeoutchair]

I still think Brian Higgins and his Jeep have more to do with this. They are trying to protect a cop not save the one who was killed at their house.

[@serena9543]

She told ABC news that she watched him go into the house. But the next morning said she didnt remember ever going there?

[@theartsypixie2771]

Who did she say that too?

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

How are you misquoting your own references? She said she watched him walk up the driveway. NEVER said she saw him go inside. Watch her interview and try listening for once.

[@theartsypixie2771]

@@notsorryyouretriggered I only heard Jennifer state she said she didn't remember being there and uhh well Jennifer and her husband's micro expressions don't convey truthfulness to me.

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@theartsypixie2771 They’re all liars

[@stevenprice6957]

@@notsorryyouretriggeredlol.

[@LVThN_von_Ach]

Thing I don't understand is why she didnt go look for him by herself, why drive there with others?

[@EC-dz3fb]

She need witnesses to attest to her "discovery" of JO's body.

[@LVThN_von_Ach]

@@EC-dz3fb I can't think of a good reason eighter...

[@LoveFree333]

"Have Chris ask some questions" Matt McCabe making orders for the cops on the investigation???

[@TruthNationUncensored]

You're done tomorrow Jenn... better bring your A Game 😂😂

[@LaurieDean-wy3xb]

That was great!! I needed that!

[@J.B.Martin]

I’m not a free Karen Read guy at all. But I have to say the old former lawyer of Colin guest is extremely biassed (as is the young guest too fwiw but that’s why he’s there I get it) but I don’t know how anyone can not get frustrated at watching all these Alberts and McCabe’s dance around every question even simple ones and then have to be asked 3-4 more questions to get back to the first question only for them to answer yes. Their reluctance has only enhanced the defenses case in my mind.

[@maximoo79]

Sooo many dodgy goings on. 2.30am google searches 2.30am “butt dials” Colin Albert’s amnesia )apart from knowing that he definitely left at 12.10am!) 67 calls made by Julie to proctors sister. (Although they rarely talk on the phone!) “The guy never went in the house”. “Hope they believe Kerry’s story after the fact” CCTV and ring cameras not working. Dog got rid of (sorry; rehomed!) New basement floor Sells house Ditches phone one day prior to a court order to asking he surrender it. What have I missed? 😅

[@selmeb1291]

“Colin wasn’t in the house WHEN JOHN WAS THERE” - Alli McCabe

[@maximoo79]

@@selmeb1291 thank you forgot about that one!

[@stevenprice6957]

The Google search is not then. Are you taking a defences word for it before evidence?

[@maximoo79]

@@stevenprice6957 See what the Quantico experts say.

[@annem3117]

Did they ambush him as soon as he walked into the house? This whole defense is just ridiculous. Juries are smarter than this.

[@theartsypixie2771]

Is it? Has anyone looked into any issues John and Brian may have had at work? Did one of them know about something corrupt being done by the other?

[@francescawilliams8177]

I don’t know but it’s ridiculous for 13 + people not to see a dead body on a lawn

[@kitnkatnz]

There is the question of Brian Higgins yet. Did he and John get into an argument over Karen? Did that get out of hand? There are some serious questions as to who did or did not see Brian Higgins truck (with plow on remember) out the front of the house and questions about when he actually left. I have questions about people who don't wake up to the carry-on in front of their house. Who rehome their dog, change phones and sell their family home, after digging up the basement slab. There are questions yet to be answered but who knows if they'll truly shed any more light.

[@beverleykeller5950]

I think colin's mouth started it and his Uncle and his self beat the crap out of John!!!!!

[@theartsypixie2771]

@@beverleykeller5950 I could see John recognizing Colin and popping off that his uncle must have helped him get off those drug charges.

[@jenniferstevens9551]

Jen made KR look crazy. That is all she did

[@BoxerClover]

nah. kr's been doing that all by herself.

[@francescawilliams8177]

Jennifer McCabe won’t happen to have been jealous that Karen was dating John would she? She also seems to know all his exes and that Karen would get jealous of someone texted John multiple times but she kept doing it? Her depiction of Karen could have been that of a devastated woman but it was more of an annoyance and she came across as cold and unsympathetic. And oh Kerry Robert’s sounds worse.

[@Alemaniaturquia]

Exactly. My mom says. Oh, John was like this she was spying in then. Even noticing the bed is made a fatal Atraccion why will Karen care about rules or shoes? When u worry

[@Judrops.10]

Watching from 🇬🇧

[@betty-janececile5214]

Wrong side of the car omg

[@TimU2Cool]

Im not impressed with the police in this case. Any reasonable prosecutor wouldn't have taken this sham case. And the judge. She is all in for the procusceter

[@kowgyrl]

I think the water has gotten too muddied up. I don't think it's that complicated, it was just an accident, she accidentally hit him and panicked. Let her go, let everyone move on with their lives and heal from this mess.

[@hugostiglitz5976]

How dare you not drink the Kool-Aid?… ONE OF US, ONE OF US!

[@kowgyrl]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ilenhalogram]

Is it a conspiracy if people were manipulated or influenced to be biased towards your family or your close friends and their kids? People can easily be influenced by talking with others. It happens all the time with gossip. Would that be a “conspiracy” or bad police work with some compromised family or close ties within those involved? I think the truth is most likely a accident - snow makes it hard to see hard to hear and cold etc. It doesn’t seem like a conspiracy per se but maybe a story that got out of hand as close friends and family ruminated over it. Seems very possible that Karen or someone else could have hit him without seeing or hearing because of the snow storm. I doubt she hit him on purpose but I could see it being a drunk accident and she or someone else really didn’t think/know they hit him. Snow storms really obscure driving esp with drinking. I think both sides went way over the top on the charges/ accusations.

[@MValleysMostWanted91]

Kevin is 100% right , you lose faith in your peers seeing them act like that.

[@SNAPOUTOFIT63]

She hit him but did not kill him; more likely knocked him out. He was out for several hours until a snow plow fractured his skull. The dog didn't do it; his friends didn't do it; his former neighbor's son didn't do it. Ridiculous bullshit all these independent commentators are spewing It was partly intentional but she did not intend to kill him; but she is responsible.

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

Thanks for the laugh. I know other’s will enjoy it, too.

[@stevenprice6957]

Yea she got him. Then left him to freeze to death. What a woman Karen is 🥹