Killer Or Cover-Up Murder Trial: Day 14 Recap

Key witnesses testify on day 14 of the Killer or Cover-Up Murder Trial, MA v. #KarenRead. Was it cold-blooded murder or is the defendant being framed? #CourtTV discusses the possible connections between the state and local police, the Albert and the McCabe families.
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[@COURTTV]

#CourtTV Was John O'Keefe's death cold-blooded murder or is the defendant #KarenRead being framed? MORE HERE: www.courttv.com/tag/karen-read/?

[@Planet_Shel]

I think they're throwing her under the bus or, should I say Jeep with snow plow?

[@PJTYLER]

Karen is being framed.

[@jtjones4081]

So Julie Nagel casually invited her brother and his friend into a crime scene after they had come to the house to pick her up?? Yeah, right.

[@mjdonahue65]

@@jtjones4081 exactly none of the conspiracy theory makes sense. Why would her brother be in on this conspiracy and his brothers ex girlfriend. The vast conspiracy is throwing spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks and cause doubt to get a killer off whether she did it on purpose or by accident.

[@starsalways7922]

Do you have these guests on just for clicks or to stir the pot? They all seemed very unprofessional except for the guy on the top right.

[@nxnxnx800]

I was hit by a drunk driver on my motorcycle who was going 50mph thru a red light. I flew half a block, a vehicle hit DOES NOT do those wounds to an arm at ANY SPEED, SHE IS INNOCENT!

[@beastghostt]

He also had two black eyes and blunt force trauma to the back of his head. In your lived experience, does that make a single lick of sense?

[@jasminerosepetal]

Neither does a glass he is drinking from - which also makes no sense because he was drinking beers all night.

[@Becki545]

This is what I don't get, how can this be a case against Karen Read? I guess we're just overthinking and re-imagining. So crazy.

[@mamarobyn]

I work for HD. In the service department so I see a lot of accidents, a lot of banged up bikes and a lot of banged up People...Really glad you're ok..

[@amandahall476]

What nice people that cared for John so much. "That guy", and a "black blob". Seem like lovely people

[@nettiea9384]

Yup agree. They r all on survival and attack mode. Both sides! A man lost his life and there’s no emotion… I guess the years gone by desensitized everyone. The cops handled this case abominable.

[@AnnaChristie-vp4ip]

@amandahall Oh such awful people who got up out of their beds and went out in a snowstorm looking for a cop, you're so manipulated it's unreal.

[@rainaeasley7863]

@@AnnaChristie-vp4ipI agree

[@SF-zp5px]

@@AnnaChristie-vp4ipso you think her phone records are all correct…except for the deleted calls between her and the victim and the 2a internet search that was deleted? She’s been victimized by her own phone data? And if you found your friend dead, would you call 911 saying “there’s a dead GUY on the lawn?”

[@jasminerosepetal]

@@nettiea9384 right, and he was one of their own! No surprise that they left two victims in their wake. No wonder Karen didn't want to go inside and didn't want John to go inside.

[@ninopaola]

No It’s NOT normal in a group chat and state “ the guy was never in the house”. Why do they need to remind themselves of the truth??? Really ???

[@chart3861]

Right…….

[@jenniferdokken8250]

Spot on! My sentiments exactly there is absolutely no need to get the story straight if the story is true

[@truecrimenut6696]

EXACTLY….THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT. KAREN IS INNOCENT.

[@lcpharm]

@@jenniferdokken8250innocent people would say “John” , not distancing themselves as if they were writing a story.btw…agreeing, I don’t think I sounded like I was😆

[@jenniferdokken8250]

@@lcpharm right supposedly he was one of their best friends, a co-police officer, brother in blue , and they referred to him as “the guy” ? Either they are in sensitive as heck or they’re guilty as sin …I believe the latter

[@davebardellini9305]

This guy saying Jenn McCabe was credible is delusional

[@valiakloeppel7252]

Why. Facts matter

[@jacofalltrades7610]

i dont know how court tv still lets him on. it is shameful the lawyer too. former employee of colin albert 😅 1000s of people that could comment objectively and they choose these jabronies. it boggles the mind

[@steve10]

Are we supposed to believe someone who just found her partner dead is going to ask a friend to use Google to ask how long it takes for someone to die of hypothermia. No one asks that , it's a lie to try and cover for her using Google at 2.30am

[@jacofalltrades7610]

​@@valiakloeppel7252facts would be great. i love a good argument. kevin provides nothing of the sort. he just supplies variations of "nuh uh youre wrong" or "just wait and see" - constantly showing his disrespect for American law and the presumption of innocence. he speaks in absolutely reckless absolutes that none of us can actually know. it is shameful that Court TV still platforms him. i can only hope its not a personal choice, Vinnie 😅

[@steve10]

The guy with the grey hair and beard is a professional irritant , he seems to be invested in the police families. He was embarrassing trying to cover up for them all

[@p369dangyoufine]

The guy? For a friend? For a brother in blue? The adopted father of your kids friend? They are evil af and protecting the men who did this!

[@DesignRhythm]

Jenn's 9-1-1 call sounds like she's reporting on paint drying.

[@jenniferdokken8250]

Probably the same way she is when in bed with her husband! Her thoughts are probably,” I think I’ll paint the ceiling brown….” she seems like a wet blanket no emotion whatsoever.

[@TheSkipTracer]

So would mine be because I'm very calm under pressure. Now later on, things catch up with me. All these claims that she's lying because she was calm, is BS.

[@jenniferdokken8250]

@@TheSkipTracer it was scripted and rehearsed

[@LadyLuck13]

​@@TheSkipTracerbut yet she was hysterical when she ran into her sisters bedroom. She said a guy was passed out in the snow. A guy, her friend, was more than passed out in the snow. He had visible injuries

[@jtjones4081]

How many times have I heard the crazy, yelling, person calling 911 and the dispatcher telling them to calm down cause they can’t understand the location etc. Jen handled the call perfectly and like an adult so as to get help ASAP.

[@mininjas]

I still don't understand how it got this far. The investigators are too close to the people involved. There's too much potential for bias. Even if they convicted Karen, she has grounds for appeal. But there's too much reasonable doubt. What a waste for everyone

[@theartsypixie2771]

Exactly. I see reasonable doubt all over this, and if by some slim chance she is found guilty, I see it overturned just on the judge's actions. All that being said, now I'm curious about what these people are up to behind those doors and shades with their shady actions.

[@officialtotino]

it almost seems they want her to be found not guilty so they stop investigating. if people keep digging they may find out the truth and implicate those trying to cover it up

[@yogabee2222]

It's not a waste because John deserves justice regardless

[@mininjas]

@@yogabee2222 I think prosecuting Karen is a waste. He's not getting justice through that. Imo

[@TimU2Cool]

Especially Karen and her family. Can you imagine the expenses involved in her defense 😞

[@doreenhuston9623]

Allie McCabe in my opinion slipped during her testimony and said Colin wasn’t even there when John was there. Then her Dad Matthew had to read his text where he was telling the group to say John never came in and Chris Albert responded exactly. Their testimony knocks holes in the prosecutors case in my opinion.

[@snobbybeauty2210]

Its Brian Albert who responded « exactly »….. its obvious, karen is framed. Jen is dangerous liar 🤥

[@debrashawcross170]

That's why she cried 😭 she realised the implications of what she said 💥

[@kabbystevens5167]

Allie and Chris were not in the house, Allie only stopped to pick up Collin…how does Allie and Chris know so much about the people in the house??? How does Chris and Allie testify to such knowledge???

[@Demonace34]

The statement would be true though. She is saying that even if you thought John was there (the people who believe the conspiracy) then Colin wasn't there at the same time so he wouldn't have been able to commit the crime. The people who believe this conspiracy have to first believe that someone in the house did it, then have to believe that the people in the house were dumb enough to put John on their own lawn and then also be able to keep everyone in the house in on the conspiracy the entire time. (This is including the people in the house that are only friends and not blood related).

[@mjdonahue65]

At does not equal in. Clearly John was at the house since he was found dead on the front lawn. Inferring that means he was in the house is just not using any type of logic or reasoning. She is stating that Colin never saw John at all that night.

[@WhitePaint5775]

The McAlberts are so shady

[@doreenhuston9623]

The Albert’s also got rid of their aggressive dog.

[@jill2675]

Nothing fishy about that 😂

[@melonmelon7427]

They re-homed the dog, the basement floor, a bunch of phones and the house itself 🥴

[@gatorman2322]

Replaced the flooring in the basement then sold the house

[@TheLydia1011]

@@melonmelon7427 there was absolutely no dog dna on John 🤭🤭🤭

[@francescawilliams8177]

@@melonmelon7427and his career

[@evilqueenyiayia]

I'm glad you did a family tree. 😂

[@debrashawcross170]

From Reports, there are details of 20 People at Scene, includes within the Albert's Home, and Chloe the Dog. And Experienced Plough Driver ... A total of 21 People that potentially have details of what happened.

[@nikkimclay5474]

Yeah wow enough reason for a cover up & they all turned on KR despicable behaviour

[@PebbleBeachSouth]

Yep, almost a straight line of collusion.

[@jenniferruth812]

Me too. I took a screen shot so I can refer to it as needed. This is so convoluted!

[@PJTYLER]

You know, if they are going to add Trooper Proctor to the family tree even though he's a friend, you should also add the judge to the family family tree to show (all of the people) that she is chummy-chummy with. I think it's very important to show all the people that she is partial to be friendly with while she is being bias towards K.R.

[@1e2b9-]

"Tell them the guy never went in the house"

[@Ms.truecrimebuff]

They don’t believe that!! They’re crazy

[@dramallamamama]

Exactly

[@JohnPeter-yf5jf]

That's the whole case in one sentence. This case will never be solved now, but like OJ We know who did it.

[@Alemaniaturquia]

Since the guy went into the house. The judge should be gotten up and Dismissed oh hold on She should dismiss with a solo cup, leaf blower, stop and shop bags, ok hold on she should had demise with but Dail.butt. Deleted texts phones Oh, hold why what Karen did? Whyare we here?

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

One of many facts coming out before the defense has even started. Anyone with a functioning brain knows KAREN IS INNOCENT

[@REDDEVIL9269]

This is a mad case we never have anything like this in the UK. Imo there's no way a car does that damage to his head without any to his body🤯

[@MrsParksIsInTheHouse]

Exactly!!!

[@AnnaChristie-vp4ip]

@REDDEVIL Are you a coroner or surgeon or police officer? How do you know the car did not do the damage?

[@REDDEVIL9269]

@@AnnaChristie-vp4ip he's 6ft with only head injuries and she has a broken tail light. It doesn't take an expert to know how impossible that is!

[@melonmelon7427]

@@AnnaChristie-vp4ipI am a nurse and have seen road traffic accident victims, that is most definitely not the type of injury you would see after what the prosecutor alleges. IF (and this is a HUGE IF) the SUV hit JO, the injury would be in the chest area and to the back of his head as he would hit the ground. Also, do you know the kind of speed it would take to catapult someone where he was found?

[@Splashling25]

You don't really need to be a coroner or anything, common sense really when you look at his injuries

[@TKE1009]

The manner in which the McCabe's speak in their testimony about their "friends" John and Karen is despicable, IMO.

[@katelynbrown98]

Right. She's annoyed her friend was in hysterics bc her husband was missing in a snowstorm

[@rachelLadyD]

I thought it was telling Karen went with them in the morning not protected from snow. The others had their hoods up, were guarded, looked with heads down walking tentatively and guarded like sick with guilt, Karen looked genuinely worried why he didn't come home, like she was the only one clueless about the scene she was about to encounter. The way the woman Jen described Karen as 'straddling' her dead boyfriends body was honestly rude and disrespectful, trying to make Karen look bad,

[@TKE1009]

@@rachelLadyD You make excellent points here, I didn't even think of these things, but you are so right! I truly felt Jen McCabe especially made a very purposeful attempt to make KR sound "crazy" and delusional in her testimony on Friday. They're really trying to "sell" the prosecution's motive. I suppose in their minds they have no other choice. But an innocent woman (KR) should not have to pay for their "alleged" cover-up.

[@TKE1009]

@@katelynbrown98 sure sounded like that. I really felt while listening to Jen McCabe testify that she was attempting to "over-sell" the KR is crazy and delusional = motive for murder narrative that the prosecution has put forth. Why would the McCabe's bother to do this unless they and the Alberts truly do have much to hide (allegedly)!?!

[@AnnaChristie-vp4ip]

@TKE1009 And your drunk driver buddy Karen who can't look after her bf?

[@crimetimeAU]

Jen McCabe - invited John to the house. Jen McCabe - Googled "how long to die in snow" Also Jen McCabe - "found" Johns body with Karen. (More like she knew where his body was the whole time. Imo) Jen McCabe - makes 9-1-1 call. Talk about controlling the whole situation feom the very beginning.

[@crimetimeAU]

..... Then they all went to McCabe's house to give statements at 11:30am? She is involved in every single step. So strange. Not to mention the fact Jen has crazy eyes!

[@user-pe2qg2qe4z]

Jenn was not the one who found John. But was Karen Read that run over to where Jjohn was Laying

[@GeorgiaJakes7]

The “butt dials” don’t make sense. Forget the fact that someone deleted them.

[@crimetimeAU]

@@GeorgiaJakes7 yeah, why delete them if you have nothing to hide?

[@crimetimeAU]

@@user-pe2qg2qe4z she was the one driving Karen's car and stalled going to the Fairview house by insisting on going to John's place. So she drove the crime scene vehicle? She wanted to keep a really close eye on Karen.

[@derins1609]

Commonwealth vs Common Sense

[@Rumi-Descendant]

lol no kidding 😂

[@TimU2Cool]

Hopefully some of the people on the jury have just a little common sense 😮

[@ladyberd4]

EXACTLY

[@ferventheat]

​@@TimU2Cooloh yeah, people have reported how the juror's are responding: waiting on every word from defense attorneys , meh for the boring, slow and low energy prosecution attorney. They are just like you and me: they smell the BS and the courage of Karen to fight this corrupt town. She's gonna win. Place your bets please 😜😊

[@user-nh5ew9ck4z]

nice!

[@Lifeisshortby]

One fact for sure,they’re all a bunch of drunks. Off duty cops wife’s,and girlfriends driving around drunk ,they do this because they know on duty cops won’t arrest them.

[@hangemhigh3578]

Exactly and they are worse than ordinary people.

[@nozza17]

Watching from Glasgow Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿.. that poor man was murdered in that house..

[@jeffreyfrerichs1078]

No way Alfalfa.

[@Evelyn-minoux]

100% agree. The state’s explanation makes no sense, coupled with a sketchy police investigation… no way Karen is guilty.

[@kabra72]

NO, he wasn't

[@mandimoo4073]

There is a little bit of doubt.

[@Democracy-tj5dl]

Yes he was & they got rid of their cellphones, when ordered to turn them in.

[@HRUnknown-xe4pp]

Oh Jen, LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!

[@TheLydia1011]

attack is your only form of defence. Karen is going down

[@HRUnknown-xe4pp]

@TheLydia1011 🖕🏻No, she's not.

[@JohnR-it1dj]

​@@TheLydia1011Wanna bet?

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@JohnR-it1djThey don’t have any money to bet or i would be.

[@stevenprice6957]

Text msgs says he isn’t lying. Footage of them going to John’s house says it’s true. I know you’d want far to be lying if you are a Karen supporter but facts are facts. John didn’t go in. We know that. So do you unless you want to ignore facts.

[@bendoubleu7516]

“Hos long to die in cold when we put you there”

[@boucherjane9424]

That was my question why did he look that up if he didn't know he was out the lawn sounds strange to me if they had nothing to hide why not go out and help him! Not cuz they were drinking they were gone and Cops! Then he gets rid of the dog, phone, and house weird

[@tll5293]

The panel is so DUMB!!!

[@Floridafanatic28]

Completely agree! Especially that Joseph dude. He's clueless, lol!

[@MaraCrocker]

Before I watched the panel, I thought you must have been exaggerating. Nope.

[@TKE1009]

@@Floridafanatic28Exactly! Clueless and also temporarily represented Colin Albert - completely biased and should not be on this panel, IMO.

[@eleanorsvenson2958]

Thanks for the heads up. I’m not watching then.

[@TKE1009]

@@MaraCrocker Before I researched all of the facts we know so far in this case, I thought conspiracies such as alleged in this case were ridiculous and that KR was likely guilty. Now...in the words of Trooper Proctor, "NOPE", lol.

[@lenemostert9849]

Can’t wait for cross examination on Tuesday! Jackson is going to shred Jen to pieces! 😂😂 Thinking Jen’s believable… you are crazy!

[@stevenprice6957]

Her phone doesn’t lie. Either does the video of them going to the house. Either does the conditions that morning. I think you are clutching. Karen is as evil as it gets.

[@lenemostert9849]

@@stevenprice6957 so you’re saying the FBI expert is lying about the Google search? She already contradicted herself. Testifying Karen showed them the taillight and screamed when they stopped at John’s house, but the video shows all 3 women going into John’s house the moment they stopped! 🤣

[@marcopalazzo9349]

What trial are those two men watching? Lol

[@user-nh5ew9ck4z]

The Payola Salem Witch Trails. lol.

[@NoGoodDeed13]

What trial are the guest panelists throughout the day watching? It is unbelievable to me the B.S. coming out of their mouths

[@missychelle33]

Clearly a different one than I am!! lol bc they are even saying things that HAVE NEVER BEEN SAID BY ANY WITNESS!! Where are they getting their info?! KR was talking about his ex gf in the back of the car on the way to find him? No. No one has said that at all. Not once

[@TimU2Cool]

NOT GUILTY. NOT PROVEN BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT

[@LogicallyLegalThings]

“Tell them the guy never went in the house…”

[@HimAgain70]

exactly!

[@Demonace34]

If your friend died and you knew they never came to the house you were at, you'd want to correct the statements made by the news stations suggesting he was there because it was false. Just goes to show why conspiracies are thriving in the landscape today. These people were friends of Johns that wanted justice and make sure the investigators/news weren't putting out bad information to the public. Why are the youtube comments always talking about random one liners from testimony when we have voicemails and testimony of the kids saying how much Karen hated John, and Karen left voicemails to John saying she hated him.

[@Planet_Shel]

Though the response to the news media probably did indeed need some consistency but, referring to the deceased as 'the guy' seems odd to me. Trying to distance themselves so much. Why?

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@Planet_ShelBecause they murdered him. That’s why

[@serena9543]

beause he never did

[@beverleykeller5950]

THIS jenn is a liar!!! When you lie,you can't keep your story straight !!!???? One minutes she see's full red lights in Karen's car and the next minute she says the light was broken???????

[@koreo7318]

Didn't the lights look absolutely fine in the police dash cam too?!

[@KathleenHelms-nq1vk]

Cops probably broke the light.

[@Kauai_Aloha]

You can tell that she's lying, just look at her eyes 👁️👁️

[@stevenprice6957]

@@koreo7318at 640am lol. Yeah ok.

[@jtjones4081]

The thanks Jen and Kerry get for being there for KR at 5:00 in the morning during a blizzard is to be accused of redrum. If KR calls, don’t answer.

[@paulineannevazquez8233]

All heavy drinkers.

[@beverleykeller5950]

Hot tempered and they believe they are above everyone and anyone!!!!

[@yogabee2222]

Drunk fools 😮😅

[@vincedidiana5781]

Absolutely. Massachusetts should change its state abbreviation from MA to AA

[@Anna-cx4tg]

Karen the heaviest of them all

[@YoitsDeMo]

@@Anna-cx4tgis your last name albert or mccabe?

[@mylesmontclair]

Vinnie and Court TV. The guests you have for this case are a joke. Do better.

[@marcopalazzo9349]

Those two muppets didn't even watch the trial.

[@sandcastlesp]

Nick Rocco is a joke

[@user-lv1wn3ff1u]

Keep in mind one of these so called panelist is Collin Alberts lawyer that was hired before he even got questioned about this case. How many kids Collins age keep a lawyer on retainer , especially if they weren't a witness to anything? And even if he was a witness to something if he didn't commit a crime himself he wouldn't need legal representation for? It only shows Collin is guilty of something

[@jacofalltrades7610]

​@@user-lv1wn3ff1ukevin is an idiot, but i really dont understand why theyd have someone DIRECTLY connected to a witness! it is crime journalism malpractice imo. i feel like vinnie dies inside when kevin talks too long

[@jacofalltrades7610]

​@@sandcastlesphi kevin 😅

[@SassySouthernSusan]

Sandra Birchmore case deserves justice too! Same town. Same cover up. Couldn’t live in this town.

[@NotoriousOne617]

its amost like they will do anything in this town to hide a murder because Karen wouldn't cop to vehicular homicide now we have this

[@user-nh5ew9ck4z]

Having the Feds already there investigating that crime- it is starting to look like maybe they saw John as an informant.

[@user-lv1wn3ff1u]

Would love to know more . Is there anywhere I can look up info on that case as well?

[@freyacollins5264]

Johns family and friends are good people and seem wonderful parents

[@user-ji5gz5fu3g]

KR’s PREVIOUS ADMISSIONS (EXAMPLES): 1. WBZ-TV Report 3 Feb 2022 (on YT) regarding the court hearing on 2 February 2022 (where KR faced the charges relating to JO’s death and was released on $50k bail) and upon questioning (as verified by the above report on YT) she told LE: - She dropped JO off because she was having stomach issues. - She made a 3 point turn in the road and left. - She did not see JO enter the house (this contradicts her interviews a year later). - Therefore confirming she did take JO to the Alberts house in her SUV (verifying the sightings of her SUV out the front are true). - She first observed her broken taillight that morning and did not know how she broke it (this contradicts the allegation it was due to hitting JO’s SUV that morning - if she had hit JO’s SUV at around 5:00 am she would have known exactly why her taillight was broken and said so if it were true (story that’s also come out later). - Confirmed she had said at the time of finding JO: “I hit him” - 4 times. - Both her and Yannetti (representing her) were in the court and accepted the above with no denials. - It’s been said, Yannetti had referred to the incident as being an accident when speaking to the media outside the Stoughton District Court and managed to negotiate a plea deal of 16 months but KR rejected it (didn’t want to do jail time). 2. Boston 25 News on 8 August 2023 (on YT) - Parents interview whereby her father says she told him (shortly after JO was found and as verified by the above interview on YT) that: - “Dad I think I struck something”. - “I remember backing up and hitting something”. This is obviously referring to hitting JO, otherwise if she was referring to (allegedly) hitting his SUV she would know and say that, and would not be using the word “something”. KR was probably quite/very intoxicated. We know she and JO didn’t eat at the WF and there is no mention of them eating at CFM either. Possibly no food in her stomach since lunch time at work (approximately 12 hours before) and we know she was loving the alcohol (she stole a drink from one bar to take it to the other). THE ABOVE ARE IN TOTAL CONTRADICTION OF THE DEFENSE AT THIS TRIAL AND THE CONSPIRACY THEORY. Also it was only after a year later when the state upgraded the charges to second degree murder, that the whole alleged conspiracy theory was formulated and began, and also at that time she began alleging that she saw JO go into the Albert’s house (which she had never said before). * The truth never changes nor does it need a good memory *

[@lyxiagaming]

Thank you, great comment. Unfortunately most people will not read this because they dont have the brain capacity to process details like this..

[@EC-dz3fb]

👏Thank you!

[@user-ji5gz5fu3g]

@@lyxiagamingYou’re welcome. Thank you for taking the time to read it and I hope it was helpful in some way. I agree certain people won’t read it, or may but they will but then ignore it because they don’t want to hear it as it goes against their narrative. It’s certainly an interesting case but could be a total waste of tax payers money sadly and in the event KR really should have obtained a plea deal.

[@user-ji5gz5fu3g]

@@EC-dz3fb​​⁠You’re welcome. Thank you for taking the time to read it and hope it was helpful in some way.

[@citigirlcountrified1927]

​he reason it became more of a defense was that karen hired someone to extract the phone records. Smart move.

[@MissteryDiva]

Even if she hit him-Autopsy shows beaten to death, dog bites & hypothermia-Brian & Colin Albert & Higgins brought John down to basement.John reported Colin for dealing drugs which led to his arrest

[@cherylj7460]

How do you know the autopsy results before they’re presented in court? Can you cite a source? I’d like to read those reports.

[@stevenprice6957]

Lol

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@cherylj7460Pretrial hearings and the grand jury indictment.

[@kathywedzik4905]

John reported colin for dealing drugs?? Is this a confirmed fact? Thats a motive if so!

[@hugostiglitz5976]

Hypothermia? Dang that must’ve been a cold basement.

[@kowgyrl]

When you have on your conspiracy glasses and headphones, everything you see and hear will look and sound like a conspiracy

[@Democracy-tj5dl]

Listen to the evidence!

[@aprilpavia348]

You need to start paying attention to the EVIDENCE

[@ldyresq]

I needed this detailed recap so much👏👏 Thanks Vinnie!!

[@Evelyn-minoux]

I believe this is indeed a coverup by the Alberts. Sounds wild, but there is no way Karen killed John with her car. She was the only person in that group who was desperate enough to go look for him and find out what really happened.

[@65cj55]

Yes, and she found him, right where she left him, even seen him laying in the dark before they reached the tree line.

[@katelynbrown98]

Right. And Jennifer had the nerve to say that another woman called Karen crazy. Even if she did hit him, I don't think it'd be murder. Maybe manslaughter.

[@65cj55]

@@katelynbrown98 Not sure about crazy, but definitily short tempered and controlling..

[@dukedematteo1995]

It does sound wild and OJ-like, and dumb.

[@jtjones4081]

If I dropped my girlfriend off at a house the night before and she didn’t come home I would assume she stayed there and would wait until a reasonable hour, say 8:00 am, and call that house. That’s what anyone would do. The house wasn’t in the projects, FFS. If they said she never came in the house I’d only then start to worry. Why was KR so crazy at 4:30 am??? Why did she assume something bad happened?? Hint, she knew.

[@T-coon]

What about the 54 call's to Canton police complaining about Collin 😲 that were not responded too 🤔

[@luckyme4277]

I missed this calls about what?

[@tll5293]

Where did you get this info?

[@T-coon]

@@tll5293 From LTL & It came out of Tom cpu ' s mouth. T.stamp 147.35 last night.

[@T-coon]

@@luckyme4277 See my sub comment; there was something I also heard about Collin harassing John Okefe, and someone else said drug's; I just try and Keep people informed about what's being said; it's up to us to find out whether or not it's hearsay. Someone else in comments said that they have it for evidence; who ? I don't know.

[@drewc771]

​@Christ810 what is LTL and who the heck is Tom cpu??

[@amandahall476]

They texted eachother about "the guy was never in the house". Got them there, no getting around that

[@Drewp617]

Kevin should of stuck with big foot theories

[@stevenprice6957]

The defence will come up with that one soon. I mean I’m surprised they haven’t gone down the kangaroo theory yet. Karen did it and no one else.

[@bethanybergeson4192]

Ugh, he annoys me to no end. So does the attorney.

[@jewels07]

@@stevenprice6957 lol….go have another drink 🤦‍♀️.

[@SkippySkippy-oy4eo]

If Karen was in such a hysterical sense, not making sense, how would she remember the word hypothermia? Doesn’t make sense when Jenn said she was talking gibberish…..

[@Demonace34]

It was an act. How does she magically see where John is on the side of the road? (because she is the one who left him there) Even in the cop dashcam you can tell you wouldn't have been able to see off the side of the road without a spotlight looking directly at him. Karen led them both back there, acting crazy, asking if she could have hit him (to multiple people). Karen had plenty of time to think about her act when she stayed up from 2-4:45 to make sure he died (Johns bed was made which means no one slept in it that night).

[@nikkimclay5474]

@@Demonace34why go back to the scene of crime & incriminate yourself ?

[@Planet_Shel]

I think JM was sniffing snow while JO was in the snow. Sad.

[@janeevans1859]

@@Demonace34she might have slept on it rather than in it but we only have Jens word for it that it wasn’t slept in. If she didn’t, where was she all night? It’s barely half way through the case. Let’s see what the defence presents

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@Demonace34😂😂😂🤡🤣

[@PJ_222]

My take on Jen she was crushing on John thats why she never took to a friendship with Karen. Remember how Jen would be involved with his kids. I would bet the bank on it!! A bored house wife, bitter that Karen came onto the scene. She seething with dislike & jealousy that John didn't except her advances suddle or bold. 911 call theres a Man passed out on the lawn. Yes the Crime Family are all in on it. Karen was "Framed" Absolutely You gotta question Matt & Jen anticipation of John coming inside the house? Looking out windows, doors, texts!!!

[@amyfromcali9051]

@PJ_222 - definitely agree. She had a crush on John & disliked/was jealous of Karen. If some other chick was texting my boyfriend that much, that’s be a hell no for me .

[@debraronan8389]

Joseph must have rose colored glasses on.....

[@PJ_222]

@@debraronan8389 Not sure who you are referring to (Joseph)? I do know Matt McCabe surely did or did long ago Marrying Jen!!

[@Democracy-tj5dl]

AGREE 100%. She kept looking out the window waiting for John to arrive. Jenn is creepy!

[@LindaTaz]

With all this activity and yet nobody saw a body laying in the front lawn. And expect the jury and the public to believe their testimonies😂

[@Kate72Sweden]

Watching from Sweden 🇸🇪

[@user-fe9dj6wq8e]

Ha, Germany here. Looking at it from an European distance, can we agree the evidence seems pretty damning?!

[@michellestover2114]

Kevin, literally, stop acting like this is some open and shut case. The way you make excuses for EVERYTHING.. it's DISGUSTING and embarrassing. You can't agree with anything because you have your small little mind made up and thats that.

[@kabra72]

Well, it seems that you also, have your small little mind made up! What the hell is wrong with you Turtle culters?? You are all a mean agressive bully mob!

[@jenniferdokken8250]

I think he has his big chopper teeth made up good Lord!

[@65cj55]

@@jenniferdokken8250 You can't argue the message, so you attack the messenger.

[@Mrglock54]

I cannot stand that MF Kevin. His face and voice bothers me a lot. 🤬

[@sierramcclary2897]

I agree with Kevin. It is an open and shut case.

[@itsjust_Lisa]

I can't wait for that awful, biased lawyer to have to eat his words. I hope Officer O'Keffe's ex girlfriend didn't mind having her name thrown out there in a murder trial.

[@keiththoma2559]

So per the defense theory JOK enters the home and is assaulted within a few minutes of entering the home? That theory makes 0 sense.

[@Alemaniaturquia]

Can u get kill in 14 minutes yes

[@jjhenry9064]

CW "theory" doesn't make sense, either, and they have the burden. Defense doesn't have to prove a thing. But, they are proving that witnesses were hammered and stetchy, conflicting stories and utter nonsense (butt dials, magic disappearing Jeep, text/phone deletions, etc).

[@keiththoma2559]

@@Alemaniaturquia Again though. He walks in and is supposedly assaulted by an individual who wasn't even there at the time almost instantly? The idea that a minor will out of the blue assault a LEO over his brother cutting through the yard a few years ago seems like nonsense to a normal person.

[@TimU2Cool]

Did you review the testimony of the victims injuries. Totally consistent with assault

[@keiththoma2559]

@@TimU2Cool State ME has yet to testify. The ME report has yet to be made public. Let's see what ME will testimony will say .

[@tommyconnolly7749]

When is " Motive" going to start???????

[@kabbystevens5167]

When do we get evidence????

[@stevenprice6957]

Jealousy? Who knows. Maybe she’s just a nut job. Women kill and mostly people they love once loved. They don’t kill strangers like men do.

[@kristenpino4635]

The jury doesn't even know what the States theory is! Lol

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@kristenpino4635The jury will have to believe that Karen, the after party skipper, was SO heavily intoxicated and angry that she reversed on ice at over 20mph into John. Sent him flying TEN FEET from the curb onto the Albert yard and it gave him 2 black eyes, multiple skull fractures, a cut on his nose, and 2 inch laceration to the back of his head. BUT he didnt pass instantly after such an impact that only slightly cracked Karen’s taillight. He lay for hours on the lawn to succumb to hypothermia but was never seen by any passer by. Yet, Allison knows Colin wasn’t at the house when John was there.

[@user-nh5ew9ck4z]

@@notsorryyouretriggered Took his belt and bit him too.

[@PhotographerAZ]

WOW Vinnie, This really helped me with the photos / names... AND I watch every day in court. You should send this as a demonstrative aid to the lawyers for those poor jurors!

[@Janevelyn]

Vinnie you absolutely positively rock!!! I wanted to make what surely would be an amateur rendering of this family tree by rewatching everything to date. You saved me so much time and aggravation!

[@missychelle33]

No he doesn’t. He states false things, and makes things up bc they sound great on air. He’s no journalist

[@betty-janececile5214]

Wrong side of the car omg

[@Dream_suburb]

But they forgot to change the date on screenshot from 28th to 29th, after midnight ❗ Falsificationof evidence, ccccc ccc c 😡

[@nuorigin]

Yes and the judge should have made her authenticate that before she let her perjure herself

[@B.Weiser]

There was also a comma after the date- there are no commas on an iPhone

[@ferventheat]

Screenshots!! The investigators could have demanded the phones and downloaded all the data, not rely on witnesses submitting their own evidence. This is a deliberate effort by the investigation team to make it easy for the witnesses and subvert justice for John.

[@kabra72]

DEBUNKED...look at your iphone and see what it does!

[@enigma_-_79]

When I watch anything about the Read case, I pray that I am never asked to be a witness to a crime. These family members are not being treated as witnesses, they are treated as if they were perpetrators of a murder. It’s awful and immoral. The rabble outside are turning this trial into a circus. It’s deplorable to think that this is where our legal system is today.

[@BoxerClover]

couldn't have said it better myself.

[@Democracy-tj5dl]

They are part of the family coverup. Have you been following ALL of this?

[@enigma_-_79]

@@Democracy-tj5dl 🤣🤣🤣 She ran over him. Family cover up my a$$

[@13k1ngs]

Vinnie ,please tell whoever does your intro to stop showing Kevin Linehans video. It shows Officer O'Keefe being hit ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE HEAD in that video

[@CheeekyKitty]

Yes, THIS! If you’re going to intro with that, might as well the name to “Kangaroo Court TV.”

[@YoitsDeMo]

Just stop having kevin on at all. Giving him screen time he doesn’t deserve

[@maximoo79]

Hos long to die in the cold at 2.30am!!!!

[@stevenprice6957]

6:30 more like it. Great story though. Sound like the defence

[@maximoo79]

@@stevenprice6957 see what the technology experts state.

[@jill2675]

She is a liar, just like the rest of them

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@stevenprice6957Try living in reality. Just because Karen reminds you of the women who reject you; doesn’t mean she did this. You’re desperate

[@Jamlf]

@@stevenprice6957 Well, hopefully they have her cellphone and they can check the time of the google search. Don't need guess work when they have cellphone data. Which funny enough the prosecution never brought up. They could easily have shown when the google search happened.

[@stephaniemichele_truecrime]

No mention of what KR supposedly said in any police reports!

[@ferventheat]

Made up after the fact

[@system_error2510]

justice 4 O`Keefe !❤ free Assange ! ❤

[@LaurieDean-wy3xb]

That was great!! I needed that!

[@Rumi-Descendant]

Jen McCabe is that narcissist manipulative soccer mom that we all want to avoid lol looking forward to her cross tomorrow😅

[@cherylj7460]

It will be brutal!

[@charrielyn1231]

@@cherylj7460 Let’s hope so!

[@stevenprice6957]

Karen is Gawn

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

I dont think soccer moms drink with minors

[@stevenprice6957]

@@notsorryyouretriggeredI didn’t think normal women leave their man to die. She’s a Nutter. Karen is pure evil.

[@Miss_Cherry]

If i killed someone, I'm not leaving him on my lawn!

[@SkippySkippy-oy4eo]

You do if blaming someone else

[@1e2b9-]

Well, good for you

[@TheAngryKilljoy]

Well if someone was found dead on my lawn I would expect my house would be the first place searched and that I would be first person they questioned and investigated. If I knew that wouldn’t happen perhaps I wouldn’t bother to move a body any further than that.

[@josephkain6213]

Except when you can control the entire narrative.

[@Miss_Cherry]

​@SkippySkippy-oy4eo no, actually, I would not. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe its a setup. I just don't.

[@B.Weiser]

Jen is such a liar

[@ivanbanda559]

Been wiring for this video!!

[@pdtenn6829]

Tomorrow is going to be fun watching Jen get shown to the world how cruel she is

[@926paaja]

Let’s hope she stops the constant mouth smacking like a freaking suction cup 😂

[@michellestover2114]

So the location data was "not accurate" showing him in the house, the time stamp data was "not accurate" by not changing the date when the texts came in after midnight to/from Colin/Allie. The 3 flights of stairs recorded were also magically "not accurate"... oh and lets not forget the searching for "hos long to die in snow" at 2:27am was magically also, not accurate?? Give me a break!!! John wasn't found until after 6am. How did she know to look that up 4 hours prior? Oh and lets not forget "the guy never went in the house"...........

[@amyfromcali9051]

…which was also, ‘not accurate,’ lol

[@hugostiglitz5976]

I’m in my house right now, and my location shows I’m on the front lawn… idk about you koolaid drinkers

[@mykingofkings1439]

Why would they need to "frame" her or anyone, when they could've just said they accidentally hit him with their car? If they expected his injuries to pass as being hit by her car to "frame" her then...why not just say they hit him?? If Proctor was prepared to "frame" someone to cover up something then... why wouldn't he just put down as an accidental death?? This would allow the family to be in the clear and it would've been case closed... Why would they frame her for murder, ??..when an accident would be enough for them to get off and avoid a trial. The explanation that requires the fewest assumptions is usually the correct one- Occam's razor. Karen said in her own interview "I thought, did I unwittingly incapacitate him and in his drunkenness he had passed out" In that same interview she says "I saw him walk to the door"... Now... if Karen saw him walk to the door then, why would she ever have thought she may have hit him? And why didn't she bang the door down on the house that morning...if she knew he had gone in there? At the beginning she said..she doesn't remember dropping him off then that changes to... I saw him walk up to the door.

[@steve10]

If she sees a car outside at 12.30am , and believes its john , and then texts him at 12.40am., then how is it she doesn't see or hear the so called "murder" , if you are hanging around listening out for someone you think is outside then you would be alert enough to hear a car reversing at speed. It's all BS. There was no hitting him with a car at all , she is basically saying that in 10 minutes of wondering where John was that no one saw or heard an accident.

[@jacofalltrades7610]

you are a liar because karen is guilty because center console. duh - Kevin

[@user-ji5gz5fu3g]

THE JO WENT INTO THE HOUSE THING: 1. KR never said JO went in to, or to, the Albert’s house until a year later when the conspiracy theory was formulated. 2. She never told LE that at the time (she said she dropped him off - no mention of him going in to, or to, the house). 3. “WBZ-TV Report” - 3 Feb 2022 (on YT) regarding the court hearing on 2 February 2022 (verifying what she told LE at the time). 4. Via interviews after the conspiracy theory began a year later, she then said this but has given two different stories (contradicting the first story above that she didn’t see either of these things): - She saw him go into the house. - She saw him go up to the front door of the house. 5. Interviews: - ABC News - ‘Accused slain cop’s girlfriend maintains innocence | Nightline’ (on YT). - TODAY - New questions emerge surrounding ‘Taillight Murder’ (on YT). 6. Proving KR has given three different stories at different times as to JO and the house and coming across as telling lies and can’t get her story straight. Ordinarily: THE TRUTH NEVER CHANGES and DOESN’T NEED A GOOD MEMORY!

[@serena9543]

She told ABC news that she watched him go into the house. But the next morning said she didnt remember ever going there?

[@theartsypixie2771]

Who did she say that too?

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

How are you misquoting your own references? She said she watched him walk up the driveway. NEVER said she saw him go inside. Watch her interview and try listening for once.

[@theartsypixie2771]

@@notsorryyouretriggered I only heard Jennifer state she said she didn't remember being there and uhh well Jennifer and her husband's micro expressions don't convey truthfulness to me.

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@theartsypixie2771 They’re all liars

[@stevenprice6957]

@@notsorryyouretriggeredlol.

[@JulieCarroll-bo7jx]

Watching from 🇬🇧

[@mikevanderslice6744]

The lawyer crossing Mr. McCabe missed a "Few Good Men" moment. The next question after McCabe said that "it's not a story, it's a fact," should have been "if it WAS a fact that John never went into the house, why would it be necessary to instruct people to 'say the guy never went in the house'?" If he never went in the house, nobody would have had to tell anybody else to speak that truth, right?

[@doreenhuston9623]

Jen McCabe didn’t hear Nagle say she saw something on the lawn when she said she was turned in her seat talking to the girls.

[@marrietvisser6195]

What a nice reward for drinking yourself so drunk to the point that you don't know or remember what happened or what you have done 🙄

[@user-ji5gz5fu3g]

MATT McCABE “THE GUY” thing: 1. This was regarding what to say to the media. 2. JO’s name had not been publicly released at that point so technically JO was at that time “the guy” and could not be named, hence Matt said “tell them the guy ……”! 3. It also came across to me that Matt would be the best person who knew how to deal with the media (what to do and say) rather than Chris, for reasons that go without saying.

[@jaybee508]

I don't know that makes Nick Rocco an "expert". He's a hairstylist with no educational background or experience but just wants to demoralize those with credentials. He doesn't need to be on this show.

[@josephkain6213]

I don't recall, But it is definitely not whatever all the technology shows. 🙄

[@afrodeity1576]

😆😆😆😆😆!!!👍

[@missychelle33]

Right. To even try to claim that that info is wrong? Lol the audacity. Also even stating proctor got her statements wrong? It’s all the same BS

[@afrodeity1576]

Watching from Athens Greece....7 hours time difference....run home after work to catch up!

[@kowgyrl]

I think the water has gotten too muddied up. I don't think it's that complicated, it was just an accident, she accidentally hit him and panicked. Let her go, let everyone move on with their lives and heal from this mess.

[@hugostiglitz5976]

How dare you not drink the Kool-Aid?… ONE OF US, ONE OF US!

[@kowgyrl]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Deanna_422]

I still think Brian Higgins and his Jeep have more to do with this. They are trying to protect a cop not save the one who was killed at their house.

[@stateradio115]

I think it's more likely that Karen accidentally hit John. Not sure why the DA charged her with murder as there's very little evidence to support it. That said, there is some interesting evidence suggesting a coverup. As a result, that puts reasonable doubt into any argument the prosecution makes and the jury should find her not guilty. There also could be an acquittal.

[@stevenprice6957]

Because she left him there even if at first it was an accident. If she chooses to get help he could have possibly lived. She didn’t. That’s murder in the 2nd. That’s the law.

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@stevenprice6957For the sake of all women in society. Seek therapy and mental health resources.

[@VictoriaLeigh313]

It also seems plausible that one of them may have accidentally hit him, resulting in them covering it up. It's definitely a twisted case and so far, there's way too much reasonable doubt IMHO

[@ylianacarlisle9994]

@@VictoriaLeigh313 I agree. I don’t think he went into the house. But something definitely happened to him outside like an accident and it could have very well been caused by someone in that house. But I don’t think he was intentionally murdered by anyone.

[@VictoriaLeigh313]

@@ylianacarlisle9994 the one thing I know for sure with this case is that there is entirely too much reasonable doubt for a guilty verdict

[@rickeyrick1]

Funny, this idiot lawyer describes how he somehow saw him in "whiteout conditions" and WHILE HE'S SAYING THAT court TV puts the dash cam video on screen and you can see all the way down the block clearly. LOL

[@starsalways7922]

"Have Chris ask some questions" Matt McCabe making orders for the cops on the investigation???

[@crimetimeAU]

Jen McCabe has crazy eyes. Also I heard Jen say "did I hit him" not "I hit him"

[@BoxerClover]

kr was the 1 who said 'it was preceded by a did & proceeded by a question mark.' so jen just helped her out. but we can't have that so spin away.

[@PoliticalJunky101]

This is such a good channel.

[@silvergem5]

Thanks!

[@alexalorirose340]

none of the alberts, the mccabes, or julie seemed credible to me

[@TruthNationUncensored]

You're done tomorrow Jenn... better bring your A Game 😂😂

[@bikersdream58]

No DNA of dogs! Beaten WHY? She could have hit him and left she doesn’t look like an Angel to me!

[@TimU2Cool]

What caused the marks on his arm?

[@pjhaze]

Lol @ “insiders” but no Aidan Kearny? It’s a joke

[@Alemaniaturquia]

Clowns

[@username.invalid763]

She would have NEVER said I HIT HIM if she TRULY saw him go in the house folks.

[@zsazsabear9643]

She asked... "I hit him"?... it was a question

[@jenocide632]

She was in hysterics. Shock will make you utter things and react in a way that is beyond explanation.

[@Democracy-tj5dl]

Jenn is not believable. I don't think, "I hit him" was ever said by anyone but Jenn.

[@drewc771]

Once youre convinced something's a conspiracy, you can get sucked into this circular logic that makes everything look suspicious, no matter what happens.

[@josephkain6213]

Technology is not circular logic drewdrop

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

You are so absolutely dumb. I have to laugh because it’s so sad that adults have no logical reasoning

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

Im sure you actually believe that. The reality is that you are one of few people who can not determine facts from lies.

[@francescawilliams8177]

I actually did think it was a conspiracy. At day 13 I was like “WTF.”

[@berniecoffeydaly6047]

I agree but seriously so many inconsistencies

[@alliealaska7858]

Lol the paramedic acquaintance?😄

[@user-jz6gb2jt2y]

I hope they throw the book at her for putting everyone through this..Bye Karen!

[@jimbook3903]

Kevin is 100% right , you lose faith in your peers seeing them act like that.

[@shelleyplemons1362]

A conspiracy theory is really tough for me because that means you would have to have people of all ages lie and keep their mouth shut. I mean, do we think that he walked in the house and they started attacking him beating him up killing him in front of everybody in the house and everyone agreed to not tell! That doesn’t make sense. Don’t think you could find that many teenagers and adults with no ethics and morals and keep them quiet.

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

You’re talking about parents/adults who party with minors and allow their own underaged children to drink and drive. Are you kidding? No ethics/morals are displayed in that fact.

[@kellymulkins7401]

I agree. It’s always hard to swallow, but this case, it’s bizarre. Something does not make sense. I actually don’t believe either version. I think the truth is somewhere in between. We will most likely never know the whole truth. Small towns can be scary. Lol

[@LettieB75]

Serious jail time for several if not all of them who were in the house between 12:10 am and 6 am. Strong enough motive imo.

[@MissysAngels]

You do realize the younger people may not of seen or heard anything but what they been told… So they think it’s better to defend the parents or relatives… You do not need an army of people, a few related adults, a few younger adults that just go along, and a couple higher up LE like Proctor who has not testified yet. Have you ever watched a trial where on the 4th week no lead detective, no ME, no hospital staff, no recreation of what happened, no charts or diagrams, no evidence collected correctly, preserved correctly and so much more… Lead detective not filming or recording statements at the station. No dumping of phones till a year later, where at least 4 got new ones…

[@username.invalid763]

Exactly. People are so gulliable. No way in hell someone wouldn't have bragged by now especially the kid. Karen never would have said did I hit him if she really did see him go in the house bc she wld have known she didn't.

[@hangemhigh3578]

What does the ME say about the injuries/ cod?

[@Mamahen87]

will court be a full day Tuesday?

[@Starsfullaskies]

Karen clearly did it. The evidence points in one direction only, and far beyond a reasonable doubt if you ask me.

[@Carabsn]

Those are claw and bite marks on okeefes arm

[@annem3117]

Did they ambush him as soon as he walked into the house? This whole defense is just ridiculous. Juries are smarter than this.

[@theartsypixie2771]

Is it? Has anyone looked into any issues John and Brian may have had at work? Did one of them know about something corrupt being done by the other?

[@francescawilliams8177]

I don’t know but it’s ridiculous for 13 + people not to see a dead body on a lawn

[@kitnkatnz]

There is the question of Brian Higgins yet. Did he and John get into an argument over Karen? Did that get out of hand? There are some serious questions as to who did or did not see Brian Higgins truck (with plow on remember) out the front of the house and questions about when he actually left. I have questions about people who don't wake up to the carry-on in front of their house. Who rehome their dog, change phones and sell their family home, after digging up the basement slab. There are questions yet to be answered but who knows if they'll truly shed any more light.

[@beverleykeller5950]

I think colin's mouth started it and his Uncle and his self beat the crap out of John!!!!!

[@theartsypixie2771]

@@beverleykeller5950 I could see John recognizing Colin and popping off that his uncle must have helped him get off those drug charges.

[@Jeremy-th5pt]

All the thick Boston accents make this case even more fun.

[@bonnyhorton3034]

Can’t wait for tomorrow!

[@katrinat.3032]

I know I want to see this text time for the Google search about hypothermia

[@9Greyskies]

This whole thing is either crazy bonkers or just a drunk angry girlfriend who made a huge mistake.

[@yogabee2222]

Yes, but the injuries don't make sense?

[@RcPlayer-tt2vw]

Because we had experts about the cold and different factors when dying from impact cold. Don’t you think the ME would know had he been killed. , he didn’t have gaping wounds.

[@TKE1009]

@@yogabee2222 exactly! Plus, the autopsy report John lost over HALF of the blood in his body, yet only a handful of drops of blood are surrounding him where he was found on the lawn. WHERE is the rest of the blood that he lost? The injuries and total lack of blood near his body simply makes NO sense, IMO.

[@texelizabeth6969]

Yanetti said years ago that it was car accident till they came up with this 70+ people conspiracy theory.

[@jenniferdokken8250]

It’s the latter.. one of the officers sons had a beef with O’Keefe and I’m sure because he was only like 18 and drinking inebriated that when O’Keefe walked in he went straight into accusatory mode because he knew he’d have back up from all the other policmen friends of his father…in case things went south… his dad and everyone else at the party that were inebriated..( he’s the kid flipping the bird to the camera..shirtless in a pair of shorts at a patio table in the photograph they show) he hated O’Keefe and I’m sure he had enough ‘liquid courage’ as an inexperienced drinker …that was provided by his dad and others, who were police officers that knew they were serving an underage kid. This is the reason they are covering it up so much because they all be up to their eyeballs in lawsuits if they didn’t band together to form a story! Thick. Blue line of lies