Kilowatt Half Hour Episode 43: Dithering dealers, budget BYDs and the Pope's i3 | Electrifying.com

[@glennlambert5112]

The Delorean was powered by petrol. it was the time circuits that needed the electric power. that is what Mr Fusion was for.

[@PaulWilson-Smith]

The customer service with Cupra dealers is truly terrible, so good to hear that its not just my experience.

[@pdecaux]

I met a man earlier this year who was planning a round Europe trip in an e- Up! It was kitted out with a bed, fridge and stove so he could camp in it

[@ifanlappage1033]

The Deloen in back to the future, the engine still worked with petrol, only the time circuits were nuclear/lightning/electric.

[@jimross623]

The highly reflective dashboard on the EV3 is only temporary. It’s because they have a peelable plastic on top of them to keep the screen clean when so many people are looking at them, sticky fingers etc. I have seen exactly the same thing on the EV3 demo in S. Korea and they peeled the plastic film back to reveal a very non-reflective dashboard underneath.

[@Electrifyingcom]

Thanks. That seems a baffling decision if that's the case. Virtually put my father off buying and I heard at least one other person point it out.

[@karmanline2005]

Im sure the touring EV3 cars are preproduction prototypes and thus some parts are not mass pro quality.

[@mikadavies660]

I have a Citroen E-C4 on lease, as a family car. My 14yr old son is 6ft. All four of us fit easily. The best thing with the E-C4 is the comfort. The suspension is brilliant. Second hand they are without doubt a stunning deals

[@BMWHP2]

Thanks guys, always good work and fun. That cheaper BYD Dolphin is more in the range of the Citroën ë-C3 Max. About the same range, but the Max has the stronger motor, is cheaper, and my guess, the ë-C3 Max brings more comfort to the table. The new EV Hyundai Inster has specially folding seats to accommodate a large bed.

[@prodavnicayugo]

Guys, legacy brand dealers don’t want to sell EVs because they make their money on servicing cars, not selling them! And EVs barely need servicing, so every EV sold pushes dealers further out of business.

[@ObiePaddles]

The boys are back in town.

[@stephenwensley9328]

For a 15k alternative to the C-Max, the early Jaguar I-paces can be had for that now and have 650 litres of boot space and are only a few centimetres longer than a C-Max

[@julianheritage6436]

Electric cars in movies, in “Leave the World Behind” there is a scene where where all the Tesla’s self drive to the same location creating a huge pileup

[@jonathantaylor1998]

Having worked as a background extra for many years in TV and film, probably the reason Tom's spotted the same Kia (Optima?) police car in various shows is that Production companies hire the cars from only a small number of bespoke suppliers who buy, livery-up, then hire out their 'Police' cars to such TV productions. 📽 🚨 🎥

[@michaelfields8981]

Electric van tests? Yes, please!

[@anthonystevens8683]

Cracking pod cast this week as always. The irony of the comment about talking about the Enyaq was perfect from Mike as were the comments from Tom on the subject. No I don't have and Enyaq.

[@pipstein612]

On the subject of EVs on camera, can I recommend Good Omens II. Many of the street scenes outside the bookshop feature the same cars going back and fourth , from memory an ID3, an EUp, a Zoe and IPace. I’m assuming the in-studio production meant no tail pipe emissions was a real benefit.

[@patrickh7368]

Re Dash Colour…Thank you’s… great to know as I’m very interested in the EV3 😊

[@worldofcars_ldn]

Tom, City of London police use Kia EV6’s! FYI

[@Jaw0lf]

Wonderful again and always a fun chat between you both!

[@PaulMeier-cu3ds]

A fun KHH, thank you. It strikes me you are well placed to collect data about how we use cars, or use cases. Manufacturers can only collect this data for their brands. Many households have use cases across more than one brand. In the EV world compared with the ICE prices for filling up vary wildly and opportunities for filling up at home or publicly vary wildly too. So some kind of database of use cases and what works would be useful. It would be much better than the journalistic shorthand you use for “city cars” with small batteries and “range” for some guzzling investment in hugely heavy and expensive Li. Collecting data on use cases would also be something quite a lot of businesses would buy back from you. £££.

[@davidpaton1317]

Yeah we found the same thing, looking for a Motability electric car and NO-ONE has any testing cars

[@thecontinuedvoyage3746]

Winners Skoda garage Cinderford are good for EV cars. Great service and helpful. Our Enyaq was supplied by them, and we will certainly be back when the time comes to swap!😊

[@MarkBott-rq7ce]

I like the idea of Skoda sending you a Czech

[@Star14trek]

Well done guys we need a kwhr full hour not 30mins 😂 just 9nins more!

[@user-xh7lp3tg3e]

Mike, you went to the EV3 experience did you try to get in the back seats? Many 6ft or over (including myself) at the event I went to couldn’t get into the rear because of the height of the seats and the small “aperture” opening of the rear doors.

[@ricco123tube]

Hi Mike, I will indeed say hello next time. Thanks for the mention. Riccardo

[@GarethJordan42]

I had an initial fairly long list of cars to look at from dealers (coming up for end of current lease). I really struggled to find a dealer that even had an electric car in the showroom let alone one for a test drive. When I asked, most of the sales people fobbed me off saying that they were hoping to get one in later in the year. The only exceptions were BMW, Polestar, KIA and Genesis. It has been very frustrating. I can only assume that they don't get much commission selling EVs.

[@stephenrussell6074]

Audi at Oldham near Manchester are fantastic for EV purchases. Great attention and knowledge, good customer service.

[@PaulNorman80]

Q: Over the summer I was visiting my dad in Nottingham, and looking at lease deals as his current lease on a leaf is coming to an end. He loves the leaf, but wants something with a bit more range and a bit more boot space. I wondered if he might end up moving back to an ICE car, but he loves some of the perks of owning an EV, including in Nottingham a bus lane on a busy section of road that EVs are allowed to use, which allows him to drive past lots of queuing cars with a nice grin on his face. This set me thinking, with EV financial incentives currently being unavailable, what other ingenious free or low cost initiatives have anyone come across to temps motorists away from ICE cars and improve air quality in large cities?

[@sunnyd6291]

Hi guys would be great if you could include which new evs will be released during that months podcast

[@peteygti1]

been to asda Trafford where they have 3 or four 3kwh/7kwh posts that are chargemaster (bp pulse?) but no way to activate them :-(

[@alangravy27]

I can share Mike's struggles trying to get a text drive and into out of dealers. I wonder if it is because most EVe to go fleets and dealers think most people going to test drive an EV will lease it from somewhere else?

[@crm114.]

Regarding supermarket charging. Waitose in Salisbury now have a bank of 8 chargers (Shell) with 6 x 22kW and 2 x 120kW.

[@user-br3or9zx6n]

thanks guys good work i have id3 ,coming up to 2 years on 3 year lease , thinking about next car . my No 1 priority will be V2G my home battery is 10k but would gain a lot from a 50k plugged in on drive , and with many doing the same save a nuclear power station or 2 . so please give this info with the range and price etc .

[@Hayles6677]

I love the fact that European cities like Paris, Italy and Rome have little ami’s driving around. I’ve just got my Ami back from the dealers. Careé (name) suddenly stopped on a roundabout and RAC got a breakdown truck to pick her up and dealer had her for 4 months. Drive motor, fuse box and finally a new traction battery later, she was good to go. Not. Great experience really from Citroën. Took them too long to approve the parts under warranty. Dealer hadn’t seen an Ami before so lack of knowledge too!!! Anyway, back in my little car 🚙 again.

[@Electrifyingcom]

Glad to hear it, but that sounds a rotten experience.

[@Hayles6677]

It was. Really annoyed at the length of time without it. Luckily had my daughter’s C3.

[@ianhobbs]

A nice car is a Jaguar S Type 3L Petrol V6 with manual transmission. Red leather and wood interior. Sorry guys this isn’t what you want to hear. But I like it. Took a while to find it and spent a lot of money restoring it.

[@use-oc4mj6n]

Ah yes, the Jag S Type, a true Ford parts bin classic, nothing Jag or classic about it. XJ40 is the Jag worth restoring

[@ianhobbs]

@@use-oc4mj6n Yes the XJ40 is very nice. However, I like my S Type and yes It’s basically a Ford. My dad had a 1960s mark 2. Now that’s a real Jaguar.

[@MrDaveb1979]

Silent witness had a Nissan leaf as the main characters car for 1 season.

[@stuartanderson2314]

Like Tom I’ve found that dealerships don’t have Electric demonstrators atm. Redoing a 2 yr business lease has been a bit of a pain. Stuck between Kona EV N Line S or a face-lifted ID3 Pro S 77kw (which one would guys or any owners out there have/recommend? Oh, and does the New ID3 have Blindspot… different VW dealers we convinced it does but then other adamant it was removed due to the chip shortage ) I have 3 local Glasgow VW dealerships & no one can source me an ID3 to testdrive. Also feel there’s no real urgency when I mention on the forecourt that I need an EV lease. It’s been a very odd experience, I can only surmise that the dealers don’t get as much commission on EV’s or something. Also why is leasing direct from local dealerships so much more expensive, compared to leasing sites online? Some time it’s very nearly double the monthly. Sorry to rant 😂 Cheers, loving the show/channel 🎉 More in Car eps please!

[@Rufus2005f1]

R Symons seem to be a great ev dealers. Also have a KZbin channel

[@rogerwilliams7234]

There's a local SHELL garage to me, on the A5, that has had the installation for chargers in process for well over 12 months - still not active. Is this a common experience around the country? Is it SHELL Greenwashing or simply being inefficient? I suspect the former . . .

[@use-oc4mj6n]

Probably a bit of both. Demand in EV's has slowed down due to high interest rates and inflation. Demand in used EV's is now picking up. Year on year installation of public EV charging points has increased by 43% according to Zapp

[@andysmith9913]

Whitesnake are still going strong mike.

[@Electrifyingcom]

At last, something that's going right in the world. Thanks - Mike

[@karmanline2005]

Well they split into two versions. Bernie passed away recently. Lovely guy.

[@bellshooter]

Chorley Group are great EV dealers, may be a way from you but their Tech Lead is Miles Roberts, a real evangelist.

[@paulbuckingham15]

Who is also on the MG EV You Tube show.

[@jamesmccormack3229]

Sadly I think due to EVs and ICE still costing so much new, 60m PCP deals are needed, as most leases come with at least a 6m deposit which and less than the average year mileage allowance. A lot of people still have fear over the costs of coming out of lease deals either due to early leaving fees or repair fees for what is actually wear and tear and normal use that you don't have to pay for when handing cars back on PCP.

[@wasbikebloke9846]

I bought my Dolphin because of their amazing low deposit low monthlies offers. I believe they’re now doing do them on the Atto. More dealers need to do these type of deals if they want to sell electric cars.

[@jamesmccormack3229]

@@wasbikebloke9846 agreed 👍 Dolphin is an awesome car, mu neighbours just collected theirs the other day, they love it.

[@bobbobberino2306]

Timestamps please 👍

[@stephenwensley9328]

I wonder if Vauxhall are thinking along the same lines of VW in that they want the majority of cars leased throughout their lifetimes in the future and by dumping cars on the market now, that increases the lease prices of better 2nd/3rd/4th generation EVs in the future by increasing the amount that must be financed by lowering predicted resale values of those cars. Ie larger gap between retail and future resale means more to finance and more 48/60/72 month finance deals where they can make profit instead of making profit on spares and repairs as they would with ICE cars today

[@vorpalteaspoon8904]

Hi Gents, very nice episode. I thought the 'ear ring' advert was for the Citroen BX.

[@Electrifyingcom]

Thanks. Citroen may have done one, but the original was definitely a VW ad.

[@vorpalteaspoon8904]

@@Electrifyingcom Cor blimey!

[@kevinmair7571]

Kia police car? Oh yes, had one in Croydon with the British Transport Police.

[@hughmarcus1]

The police service of Northern Ireland have an EV6 as a traffic car.

[@jameschapman4824]

That YoYo is £16,000 they are mad. If it was £6,000 it would be fine.

[@urbanstrencan]

Similar problem with EV buying we have here in Slovenia, there is not a lot of car brands that really push EV , I think the best job is doing Hyundai and VW others are quite far behind.

[@wasbikebloke9846]

I’ve had the same crap service from most car sales but BYD Basingstoke were excellent. Maybe because they’re new but whatever the reason it was a pleasure doing business with them. Good service matters!

[@julianvicary5603]

There is a film called stubber which stars a Nissan leaf. Check it out.

[@mikadavies660]

According to the latest KZbin info.... The YoYo is available in the UK. Problem is the YoYo is over £16,000

[@Electrifyingcom]

Oh no, YoYo.

[@WheelieTheCapper]

If you were camping in the Ioniq 5, you would have dropped the back seats ... So, maybe seats are not back in original position or the seat belts and are not seated properly?

[@matthewtyler-jones8317]

VW group sell their cars (or at least EVs) on an agency basis. You do the deal with VW and the dealer just checks the paper work and hands the car over. I have no idea where there is a reward for good service in that model. Earlier in the year I tried to by an in stock car from Lookers before the end of my financial year and they were very relaxed about returning my calls, and going on holiday with no-one else progressing the order. Now (tomorrow) I am picking one up from Garland in Aldershot. Where their service has been fine, calling me every Friday to update me on the order.

[@wasbikebloke9846]

I was nearing the end of my id3 pcp and found VW completely uninterested in selling me a car. Finally with two months left they’ve contacted me with ‘substantial offers’ but it’s too late, I bought a BYD Dolphin and collected it three weeks later. If current info is correct I’d have waited ages for the vw.

[@hughmarcus1]

VW like Ford, have bought out a lot of their dealers, so you’re actually just dealing with their retail arm.

[@CarlosFandango1975]

Mg5 is a great used EV.

[@wn129747]

The pod point 7kw chargers are now 44p/kWh which is the same price as diesel where I live. This isn't going to work IMO...

[@keithwillis5662]

The Police definitely use Hyundai/Kia cars. I regularly drive between Southampton and Plymouth and have seen many of them both ICE and EV. Maybe it’s a regional buying decision.

[@hishamg]

I have seen a Kia EV6 Police car a few times in Wirral and a Nissan Leaf Police car in Chester.

[@bernardhilton3527]

I don’t have a problem with video quality on any of my devices. I watch through KZbin. The only thing I find mildly irritating, apart from paint jobs is the constant fiddling with glasses. Sorry Mike but you do need to go to your optician and get them fitted to your head. 🤓

[@stephenwensley9328]

Perhaps your dad should be looking at cars that can be ordered online, like the Polestar 3 or 4

[@Electrifyingcom]

He wants to try before he buys and that's the problem - just getting a test drive. Mike

[@markbennett6658]

It’s good that Mike has got Ginny a better webcam but she needs to work on the set up too. Never mind the paint patch, in one episode she looked like she might be naked and the large microphone was all that was preserving her modesty. In another the framing was so tight it appeared that when she stroked her chin and hair that a disembodied hand was doing it. Lastly she was wearing a dark top on a dark background which gave the illusion that she was literally a ‘talking head’! All very amusing but I’m sure she can put that camera to good use…. which doesn’t mean just shoving it with the other junk into the back of her Skoda Enyaq !😂😂

[@use-oc4mj6n]

The knowledge of EV's at main dealership's is patchy at best. EV's are like mobile phones in that newer, better and more efficient EV's are coming out less than every 18 months especially from Chinese manufacturers who are relentless in bringing out new products and are now setting up business in the UK. Its a confused strategy from some like Mercedes who are dropping the EQ range and dont even mention the likes of Ford and Vauxhall 😂

[@rio8677]

Old guys talk slow, so its 44min. for half an hour🎉

[@drtom8011]

BYD sell their cars in China for less than£10000 . I know that they have tto ship them and pay taxes but £26000 is a big mark up

[@Electrifyingcom]

Tricky to compare. The EU Dolphin is a different spec - even the dimensions are different. Plus, EVs in China don't have VAT and there's an import duty of 10%.

[@Star14trek]

Electric cars in films ... Back to the future nuclear powered not really electric thats like saying petrol power charged EV 😂... Johnny English in Mustang V8 vs a BMWi3 and the Mustang running out of juice 😂

[@wasbikebloke9846]

I bought the BYD Dolphin as a replacement for an iD3. I love the Dolphin. Great quality and range of features for far less than my VW. VW showed no interest in selling me a VW but BYD had an amazing pcp offer. I can see the reflections from the dash but not caused a problem at all?!?!

[@ians3328]

I had the same buying experience at a VW dealer we had used for years when looking at changing my Tiguan for a ID4. Hopeless. No demo available at a weekend (Manager's car did not work weekends !) so organised for 5:30pm Friday. Arrived and after 20mins messing about they told me he had gone home ! I have a Volvo now and sent a letter to their group CEO. Crazy. The most expensive car they were selling and just did not care. The supermarkets giving 7kW charging are pretty useless. I used to use the Free Tesco ones and even a 2hr max charge only give us enough to drive there and back. Is the EV3 any good ?

[@mikesmith71]

F ix I t A gain T omorrow 🛠️ I thought Ginny had a soft focus filter on her webcam 📽️🧑‍🦱