Kim, Kanye, And Pete - After Dark #68

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0:00 Intro
9:30 Hila is back!!
47:00 Peanut Butter Fucker
1:10:10 Jimmie Lee Update
1:20:30 Alpha Grindset
1:25:30 More MGK Cringe
1:37:00 Tim Pool Tweet
1:49:00 Astrologer Call In
2:55:00 Pete Davidson/Kim Kardashian/Kanye
3:07:20 DL Hughley

[@katienewby1901]

i respect Hila’s opinion but the statement “i don’t think you can plan viral moments like this” comes off as naive. The Kardashian’s careers have been built on these viral moments keeping them in public conversation, the point is obviously to do so in a way that doesn’t seem planned or else it wouldn’t work. They’ve had their fair share of scandals and faux paus enough to know how certain things will play out in today’s climate. Kim knows very well there’s an image of her as a sort of spoiled spoon fed celebrity, the whole “Kim there’s people that are dying” meme was based purely on that. I don’t think she’d be stupid enough to completely innocently say no one wants to work just get your ass up and work and not expect the same sort of backlash. The Kardashian’s image and statements as a whole have been extremely calculated for years, as evidenced by their steady position in pop culture for decades now. That doesn’t just happen, most celebrities have a peak or waxing and waning of popularity which is only natural with the constant influx of new celebrities to talk about. But the Kardashian’s have remained, Kris is a mastermind manager she’s very good at what she does and no doubt that mindset and methodology influences her children day to day.

[@katienewby1901]

@you cannot be serious i think they are biased from their own personal experience of people accusing them of faking the trisha drama, Ethan even says later that Kim’s sex tape was a publicity stunt but not this. What’s the difference ? Why would they only pull such a thing once and then never again when they know it works.

[@dudeman5303]

Also, the media totally grabs ahold of this stuff to make it go viral too. It's not necessarily planned out but they see what they're doing and gladly take the bait and help circulate it because it makes them money too. When Kim says something like that everyone knows it's gonna get clicks, it's to be expected at this point.

[@montanaw7]

I 100% agree with Love and AB on this one. That was 100% calculated. She knew that statement would have backlash, become a meme etc. it’s for sure to keep people talking about them and to keep them in the headlines. They know it wasn’t bad enough to be canceled or really even lose fans. And I also wouldn’t doubt this whole Kanye drama is also to help their show. It’s all just really sus so much drama is happening right before their show airs. Put the pieces together guys!

[@roxannesandefur3943]

time stamp?

[@krista5540]

yes!

[@minnieberry5189]

@@Kigoz4Life there’s literally no way for us to confirm that was even real. or fake. stop saying things matter of fact when none of us actually know. they are reality tv stars. i would be more inclined to believe they all actually get along and just do this for more attention.

[@sugarsore]

@@Kigoz4Life yeah because all he does is cause drama.

[@eggbabe83]

I don't agree or disagree with you, but their show is ending. So what'll the excuse be then if not to keep their ratings up?

[@Ewokawokawoka]

I love how Kim was quoted as saying “would you put a bumper sticker on a Bentley?” When asked about her getting tattooed. What does that make Pete? A Prius?

[@kornmak9596]

😂 lol

[@balaskoo8664]

hahahahahaha

[@ignignokt-6050]

Pete’s more like a 1997 chevy lumina or maybe a pontiac sunfire.

[@Jess12564]

My mom literally said that to me a week ago after I sent her a photo of my new tattoo. She goes "I would never get one. You don't put a bumper sticker on a porsche" ..... Thanks mom, just going to take my dumpster ass out to get another one🤣

[@ImGettinWeird]

@@Jess12564 I wouldn't put a bumper sticker on my porch either since they're for bumpers

[@sehunscartier667]

Not Hila acting like their drama is comparable to the Kardashians… cmon, y’all are normal people in comparison to that family, AB and love are right: Kris Jenner calculates everything. They dont care about looking stupid to the world if it means publicity

[@K._M]

Ethan and Hila have accomplished so much and their careers are completely self-made, which makes all that they’ve achieved even more impressive, but they need to humble themselves. Do they really think H3 is at all comparable to the Kardashian-Jenner empire? These are direct quotes from a tone-deaf Hila: “Their staff doesn’t know shit, it doesn’t work like that” “Have you tried working with, like, an agency? Those people don’t know shit about nothing” “We’ve been in drama and we’ve been accused of it too” “Whenever we’ve tried to talk to anybody like that, or work with, it’s like, you really learn that you know way better than all of them” “I think that we’ve seen enough to tell you” Competent PR agencies might be out of H3’s budget, but the Kardashians can definitely afford them

[@Ria-Jade]

Exactly this. Was really shocked at how naive those comments were. Even I know that. Come on Hila

[@genenem6641]

Yep! Plus Kris is a huge part of their whole PR system, and she is relatively intelligent and calculating.

[@3mi1y]

Agree… so tone deaf and putting down others because they think they know better…

[@K3tK0]

Who knows, maybe this Kleins-AB/Love controversy was a scripted manipulated stunt and we were tricked

[@holleeer]

Exactly. They’re in a whole different tax bracket…they can’t relate lol

[@JamiesRemixes]

Last take regarding the Kardashian family not setting up stunts like this was pretty terrible on Ethan and Hila's end. They're trying to speak from experience but the kind of bull shit billions can buy compared to thousands is worlds apart. Flat out saying people with Love's take are delusional and fucked up was extremely rude considering that's directed (intentional or not) at Love.

[@ayaa6939]

exactly, why Hila looked so offended tho 😂

[@krista5540]

I think so too, and ok maybe it's not that deep for Ethan, but it's cringe, rude and annoying. (And I can still like the show when I find some takes annoying)

[@lucyandrews5466]

It’s their opinion???

[@smyleg3586]

...and they say that a hero can save us! I'm not gonna stand here and wait!

[@Brrrrrrre]

@@lucyandrews5466 and it’s loves option. But they didn’t want to listen to him and were rude asf

[@DJ-wr5lr]

I like how Love stands his ground on opinions he believes in or could be possible like the staged Kardashian thing. I’ve noticed a few times, which is a cool little addition to the crew.

[@kells9k]

Love is awesome. I'd pay premium for his OF for sure

[@rbbl_]

@@kells9k ???????

[@faya6974]

Ethan mocks every guest he invites before they come and then hes shocked they dont want to come lol

[@turtleanton6539]

Haha right

[@nwts4582]

I think he needs to just stop announcing or talking about guests before they come. I get that they wanna hype it up so people watch but it would solve a lot of the problem of guests not wanting to come or people getting all bent out of shape about stuff. Problem would be solved.

[@kaitlinkidd08]

I think people forget Ethan was formerly known as a comedian, not a podcaster. So when he rips on guests its not really considered out of the norm in that line of work. It’s how you build a relationship with the audience. I think it might come off as mocking in this setting but he doesn’t mean any harm, it’s just how he tests the waters.

[@whowantsmypants8888]

His yes men never step in to put him in line

[@OliBolivia]

It’s not like he invited the president we are talking about a fkn “astrologist”

[@GruntyHerder]

Is there something about family for you that's bittersweet? Ethan (literally the brother-in-law of Trisha Paytas): Not that I can think of

[@addled_catalyst]

he's so stubborn 🙄

[@baabaq9126]

He's iterally mentioned having had a complicated relationship with his dad plus some resentment. But maybe its just not at the forefront of his mind so he couldn't make the connection

[@PoisonCreosote]

She's pretty irrelevant now, I don't he considers her family at all as he doesn't even talk to his brother in law.

[@justinchan4203]

Its probably bittersweet without the 'sweet'.

[@viceb7]

Omg right! I was lile hello oooooo Ooo?! Or his dad's lol

[@daygnar9266]

Ethan yelling at the interviewer to be quiet after inviting someone on to create and read all your charts but he wouldn’t be quiet long enough or listen when she or anyone else tried to explain to him that this is a life chart not a monthly horoscope … he didn’t let her finish his own chart or even start anyone else’s.. This is the first time an episode frustrated me so badly I’ve never seen him act so rude to a guest..

[@superhamhams6586]

Yeah, this episode was so frustrating 😤

[@NothingButLights]

dude & then he just kept having these side convos w/ the crew while she was trying to talk…I felt so bad for her, she was super interesting!

[@brooke7413]

yea i felt really bad for Maren when he was digging, i understand its a schtick of his but she takes a lot of pride in what she does & explained herself & the subject extremely well, including why it's discredited so widely. I wanted to hear the other crew members' charts & instead we sort of got ethan worrying more about food & Maren looking like she wanted to cry 💀

[@_heybrittney]

I felt the same way. I’m extremely disappointed right now.

[@Empathy-and-resilience]

Maybe because she’s a crypto-swindling charlatan? Lmao ppl really out here defending the astrology gatekeep girlboss crypto girl 🤢🤢🤢🤢

[@carleedather9290]

Dude shoutout to her being so well spoken and eloquent regardless of Ethan being straight up disrespectful.

[@skittlesthegummybear]

I think the reading on Hilas sexuality or whatever and how it was rebellious to the norm doesn’t mean she’s bi but that she’s in a straight relationship but challenging the “norms”. Hence why everyone keeps referring to Ethan as Hilas husband because she’s the boss in their relationship. The astrologer deserved more respect.

[@Astr0B]

You don’t need to be an astrologer to know that shit through

[@alaDepecheMode]

I just re-watched the part where Hila and Ethan shot down Love and A.B.'s point of view. I realized that Hila started taking it personal. This conversation was not about the Kardashian's anymore, it was about all the accusations Hila and Ethan have had over the last year. I agree with Love, this is about a Billion dollar Brand which happens to be a Family Business.

[@shannonL0]

Agreed!!! She was taking it personally and only thinking of her own personal experiences. It was disappointing how rudely she was speaking of PR people, just bc she met with people who were incompetent (in her mind) does not mean she knows better than every PR person out there lol. Highly underestimated the access the Kardashuans have

[@elenah8860]

@@shannonL0 its so out of touch for them to think that they have any insight on PR on the Kardashian level. They are youtubers at the end of the day I don't understand how they felt like they could talk about this so confidently... very entitled. With peace and love, this is coming from a big fan

[@ferrypanda]

Exactly! Just because Hila and Ethan would never want to intentionally get bad publicity, it doesn’t mean celebrities and/or people in power don’t. Think of politicians as a prime example, they will say hyperbolic, out of touch things all the time to get an inflammatory response and get publicity, because when you are at that level of fame and power, good acts don’t get as much attention. All publicity is good publicity to them. Hila started taking it personally because I’m sure going through drama and getting hate is incredibly hard, and it’s taken a toll on their family, and she can’t imagine that people would go through that willingly. But what they are neglecting to see is that that’s the Kardashians brand, that’s exactly how they have stayed relevant over the years. Talking down to the crew and using their “experience” over them was uncomfortable to watch and I hope they still have enough self awareness and humility to reflect on that and apologize to the crew later. They need to put the crew first over their pride and personal feelings on this.

[@hippylove1425]

I’m starting to see what people mean when they say Ethan is rude af to AB. He always shoots down what he says. Even if AB is just making a joke Ethan has to pick it apart somehow 🙄

[@emilymcmullen4947]

@@elenah8860 Extremely entitled, Hila thinks she's big shit and she deals with PR on the same level as the Kardashians LOL. SO rude to Love and AB looked scared to agree.

[@MomoIsMyHero]

Hila seemed so offended by Love saying that Kim was acting in that "get your ass up and work" clip, but do people not remember who she was an assistant to?? She learned that from Paris Hilton who said shit like that all the time for publicity. Paris literally had a reality show based on the concept of being spoiled and having to learn about poor people. Kim also copied the orchestrated sex tape from her. Not a stretch at all for Love to think that. That being said, I don't think the Kanye/Pete stuff is fake.

[@emmerrick4563]

Literally

[@beebhabie]

But Paris was playing into the stereotypical dumb, ditzy blonde act that everyone was portraying her as anyways. Even at the time, there was comedic aspect to it.. She wasn’t spewing tone deaf, offensive things about poor people moreso as she was making fun of her *own* lack of real life experiences and etc. There was nothing comical or shtick about what Kim said.. It got attention because of her total lack of self awareness and zero irony behind it.

[@dcham041]

Oh damn! 😂 I forgot Paris did the famous sex tape first! 😂 and the reality tv and practically everything the Kardashians are doing now, first !😂

[@MomoIsMyHero]

@@beebhabie At the time a lot of people didn't think Paris had self awareness, and it was definitely offensive to poor people lol. but either way, it's a matter of opinion. i just think it's weird that Hila took it so personally when Love said that.

[@jc10148]

interestingly a very famous uk based influencer molly mae just went viral for making very similar comments that kim made. I wonder if they saw how much press molly mae got and wanted to recreate it. I just found it odd how similar the statements were, but maybe its just because all influencers are that delusional

[@itzme_jessica_9749]

I honestly wouldn’t watch if the crew wasn’t there so fucking appreciate them more holy fuck. The crew makes the show 100000x better.

[@juliefenner1444]

kinda wish it were just the crew sometimes /:

[@braco6757]

Fake fans

[@braco6757]

@@juliefenner1444 nice photo of your mom

[@juliefenner1444]

@@braco6757 bro ur late

[@kristinageorge2944]

The Astrology segment COULD have been amazing if Ethan had given her an ounce of respect. It was so cringe and rude. It was embarrassing watching him be so dismissive. She had charts for everyone and I'm sure most of the audience would have been interested in hearing them.

[@nola1439]

Maren Altman is a scammer. she charges $1500 for a class in how to use the stars to invest your money. Multiple really gullible and vulnerable people have lost a lot of money to her insanity. She’s also a racist, stole content and predictions from black creators, has said people who aren’t vegan are committing genocide worse than the holocaust, and has said indigenous people are bad for eating meat. They went easy on her. They shouldnt have given her a platform to begin with. She’s actually evil and takes advantage of poor people.

[@StarringMaja]

Yeah definitely, I think a lot of the crew looked curious and interested to hear it too. I was looking forward to it too. Kind of disappointing we only got to hear so little and felt as if Ethan was rushing her a lot by saying skip to the negative parts. I can only imagine that it would have taken Maren a while to even create those charts for the entire crew, to be basically rushed and not taken seriously the entire time. Being skeptical is fine but they could have been at least respectful.

[@OliBolivia]

I would listen but not without the cast point out the fact that astrology is bullshit. They did this is an comical way

[@clairekelly6956]

this really could have been so good...ouch

[@Drwhispin]

Astrology is embarrassing

[@halishere6363]

this is crazy because ethan and hila are great but their level of celebrity and fame is absolutely nowhere close to the kardashians. they have no way of knowing how the kardashian PR teams operate because they’re not at that level. the kardashians are known for having super calculated responses to everything and crazy skilled PR teams. not to mention how they have been working with their teams for years now and i’m sure have tailored and refined a group of people to curate the perfect team. they have all had countless cancelable offenses and they’re still around… how are you not attributing this to very smart pr teams. i’m not saying everything is calculated whatsoever. i think most crazy things said by these celebrities is off the cuff. however, this theory is not as absurd as you might think. like i’m just not sure how you can completely discredit calculated moves like this at their level of fame.

[@hannahjonas5394]

AGREED

[@pinguufuuuu]

they at LEAST have some idea of how pr actually works, more than the regular person. sure its probably not at kardashian level, but i'm sure they know some bit of what they're talking about.

[@Pepperoni]

Agreed. The back and forth with Hila, AB, and Love made me extremely uncomfortable. AB’s voice cracked because he was uncomfortable, and Love had to back down. This doesn’t happen when Hila isn’t there. Hila seems to have found herself and I love that for her, but she’s not bringing anything positive to this show anymore, just bringing it down. Her CEO-mom girl boss routine ruins the pod. When she barks at the crew they can’t stand up for themselves because she’s their employer and they clearly don’t have the rapport with her like they do Ethan. It’s very awkward to watch.

[@officialgoogleyoutube]

It's fair to say that Ethan and Hila don't know what it's like at that level of celebrity, but at the same time that also applies to all of us, who probably have substantially less knowledge of the power of celebrity PR teams than Ethan and Hila do. Like, they have some level of celebrity, they've spoken to PR people. We have not. So I think perhaps we also need to check our own egos in this discussion. Like, c'mon, it's not that hard to commit "cancelable offenses" and stick around.

[@officialgoogleyoutube]

@@Pepperoni Barks at the crew? Dawg... did we watch the same episode?

[@dreamerkayasmr891]

This is a bit harsh but it appears most people agree which I’m happy to see.. Hila literally doesn’t talk for a majority of the episode. Couldn’t even respond to what the astrologer had to say about her chart and had to ask Ethan what he thought to end the awkward silence- yet is so opinionated about something nobody knows for fact. Love and AB repeat there is no way they can know anything for sure and it’s just an idea. But Hila and Ethan think they know for fact because they’ve been through KZbin drama? World wide celebrity publicity is so much different. Ethan thinks people aren’t “competent” enough to be so calculated, but if people can think of the conspiracies after an event, there are people that are high up enough in the world to have the same idea originally and actually carry them out. It’s also just cringe to watch them be so demeaning to anyone with a different opinion. No one can question them but everyone else is belittled and called paranoid. Whole vibe is off tbh. Props to the astrologer for being so professional. That segment could have been good if Ethan would have given her even 1/2 of the respect he gave peanut butter Craig.

[@XxleaXx98]

THIS is on point

[@ninahays4935]

i had these same exacr thoughts. it looked like hila was even rolling her eyes during the ep until what Love said. and the multi billionare dollar kardashian empire dont strategize click bait moments before there new season comes out. gtfoh if you think they dont. hila and ethan didnt show themselves in a good light on this ep. and i was like, let people talk! shit!

[@hah5494]

Love: "I dont think they're braindead" *record scratch* Then hila saying "have you ever tried working with an agency? Cmon. Those people don't know shit about nothing" No, Love hasn't. I think they're embarrassed that he went out there with that opinion. They don't believe that & they dont want people to think they do. As ethan said its "too paranoid". Its not specifically &/or just embarrassing but it hits a huge insecurity & the response is gross

[@empac8631]

I mean, I love Hila and I like Ethan but these are the same people who watch reality TV show and think it’s real. I miss the old H3/ Ethan & Hila days where they just made funny videos

[@mintvelvet3351]

Figures they would he more interested in some creep who effs jars of PB. I’m really tired of these freaks they give a platform to.

[@mayaangelica3033]

There’s no such thing as PR geniuses????? Ethan and Hila do realize that the Kardashians went from some random rich kids that no one knew, to arguably some of the MOST famous people in the WORLD. Such a weird take from Ethan & Hila.

[@Christian-ib7io]

EXACTLY! I cringe at the fact that Hila thinks she's equivalent to the Kardashians. The team that the Kardashians has (in my opinion) are geniuses, because the Kardashians are famous for doing the bare minimum lol they're literally known for being famous for being famous at this point.

[@hiphopfaerie]

Kris Jenner is the QUEEN of PR!! And, that's the matriarch of the Kardashian clan. Ethan and Hila def were talking in bad faith here.

[@imokyoureok_]

Damn. I’m a huge h3 stan but I want to take a break after this episode. I literally said out loud to my tv “let her speak” during the astrologers segment. So sad to watch her be talked over and shut down, it’s okay to be skeptical but damn the disrespect was too gnarly for me. Turned me off in a major way :/

[@Mojojojo85757]

He does that a lot … it’s a character flaw for sure. One time he had a fan call in to discuss why he no longer enjoyed the podcast like he used to and Ethan just kept cutting him off, talking over him, and being rude af. And the guy was soooo polite and respectful. It made him look like a total douche. lol I’ve come to realize that Ethan really just can’t help himself and I have to accept that part of him if I’m going to enjoy the content because I honestly don’t see him changing. I do believe strongly that ethans a good guy overall and he means well, but when he gets hype about something and thinks he knows all and he’s right it IS such a turnoff. Like be a little more humble bro you don’t always have to be f*cking right 🙄

[@imokyoureok_]

@@Mojojojo85757 one hundred percent

[@zoesandifer9925]

the fact that ethan and hila think that the kardashians can't plan viral moments, because they are not able to is what's delusional. you guys are not comparable to the Kardashians. peace and love.

[@britterzzz8744]

Keep walking

[@zoesandifer9925]

@@britterzzz8744 I’ve been a fan for many years Ethan an Hila are ok if their fans disagree with them.

[@sacagawea12]

Peace and love AGREED

[@nateishereagain1219]

Kardashians are too brain dead to do it

[@zee_bee_23]

“How am I impulsive? Impulsive is like ‘I’m going to f-king Vegas!’ “ *”That literally happened on the show the other day”* Dude I’m shitting myself

[@MrSupersayian4goku]

Damn, did the Quartering write this lol

[@mr.dr0bot731]

Ethan and Hila comparing their peasant drama to billionaires is hilarious.😂😂😂😂

[@sneakysealpuptv9379]

For real. They think they're so high and mighty lmao.

[@leolego2]

@@sneakysealpuptv9379 compared to kardashians? Most people think that

[@Abracadabra_143]

They really have taken on a VERY Bougie persona lately. I hate it! They used to be so humble and grateful for their fans/following. They really have let their egos run wild. Sad.

[@oohaahteamm]

i feel like they were comparing because even tho they are way smaller celebrities small dramas they had were so horrible that they can’t even imagine what it’s like on Kardashina’s level

[@soggybiscotti8425]

@@sneakysealpuptv9379 to be fair, you barely have two pennies to rub together comparitively. They are a whole lot closer to Kim and Kanye than you are to them

[@jessicasuea]

I’m graduating this April with a BS in Public Relations. There are DEFINITELY PR geniuses that would calculate & pull this off. I can’t even begin to understand Hila & Ethan’s thinking on this, it’s just not true & their blatant disbelief of such a thing is quite shocking. The saying, “any publicity is good publicity” is around for a reason. PR stunts like this happen all the time, especially with the Kardashians. They’re literally the best examples of it. I do think the family is dense, but Kris Jenner and her PR minions are definitely working over time to create scandals to cover up scandals. That isn’t a hard concept to understand - or believe. AGAIN, they CREATE scandals to COVER up scandals. OR create scandals, so that people will tune into their show (that’s been running for 20+ seasons) to get the story from the Kardashians perspective. That’s the reality of what’s happening here… AB & Love, you guys are not wrong about this.

[@pipercorra6880]

The way love and AB look so awkward like they can’t express their opinions without getting yelled at :( there’s a power difference. You can’t argue with your boss. with peace and love this ruined my night lol because I respect this couple so much

[@scottc5307]

Agreed

[@viriorozco4652]

Right!

[@linneawesterdahl2375]

@@jarataka26 Also comparing themselves to the kardashians😬 I mean if you watch KUWTK you can tell everything is staged, it’s not impossible for this to be too

[@sheridan.]

Time stamp?

[@pipercorra6880]

@@sheridan. starting at about 3:40:10

[@re_i_gn]

Ethan: Making a heartfelt promise that he will honor his family by immortalizing their names on his body. Zach: *ANIMALS DIE!!!!!*

[@blipblop1112]

The fact that mgk's age is same age as felix kjellberg is such a shock

[@aaronbradleycorbett]

@@blipblop1112 I don’t remember asking

[@saif-ri7kf]

@@aaronbradleycorbett He's not talking to you dummy

[@bargaingoldandsilver]

Joker brain baby

[@stephanig6632]

The timing was hilarious

[@RayRay.01]

It's like every single crew member, even Hila, doesn't want to/can't tell Ethan to stop being rude and interrupting.

[@Donny_McGillicuddy]

Hila and Ethan should be ashamed of themselves on how they treat their employees. And Hila saying Kim has "Yes Men" around... Have you looked around your studio? All you guys do is hire fans. Which I'd argue is unethical too. It creates a toxic power dynamic.

[@jackberry]

The girl who spoke on horoscopes was actually really enlightening (forgive me, I'm forgetting her name). I'm a pretty big nonbeliever when it comes to all of that stuff, and am typically pretty annoyed by people who do nothing but go on & on about it. But she spoke so eloquently, and was so well-articulated & well-studied, that she really opened my mind a lot to some new perspectives. Genuinely enjoyed her points a lot, and it was all presented in a way that was very easily digestible and well illustrated. I always appreciate someone's passion when they approach an argument with the confidence they've put into their craft/studies. Really wish Ethan would pull back sometimes and not interject so much with what he thinks is funny and will get a laugh from the crew (Dan). Just common courtesy in conversation to at least let people finish their sentences and their thoughts when they're clearly trying to go somewhere larger with it and move forward.

[@honor8586]

Ethan and Hila were so confidently wrong about the kardashian thing imo. I think AB and Love are right, these people are richer than you could ever imagine and have built their empire on good PR. They have a whole team dedicated to these stunts, no doubt about it. edit: I love y’all always and the show is the best. Just an observation I made at the end!

[@bellah.7171]

yes! and the way ethan was shutting down that all pr ppl are horrible and don't know what they're saying?? ethan has money but not kardashian pr money plus they are well known on a wider scale ofc they know their industries ins and outs and have the best ppl to refer to

[@LittleTurtleDuck]

Hilas point that the Kardashians could be surrounded by yes people that don't tell them not to say stupid things is valid I think, but I also side more with love and AB

[@LivBlanks]

EXCUSE ME? How TF can Ethan and Hila say that Kim was just on the spot doing that interview? Don't we ALREADY know that every interview is sent to the Family before hand? They get to pick and choose which questions they will be asked, therfore they get to sit there and CALCULATE their answers. So yes they have teams on teams sitting there helping them write and rehearse their answers to these "interview questions." I'm with Love and AB. Yall are right, and you know that. Sucks to have to bite your tongue for your boss. But hey, we regular people have to do it everyday too lol.

[@gregorB92]

hilla is ruining this show. cant say anything she disagrees with and thats why Love and AB dont often say their opinion.

[@lolaaaaaaaaaaaa]

they literally said their opinion, they hardly bit their tongue.

[@bree8883]

With peace and love Ethan let ur guests finish a sentence

[@MrTrulsrohk2492]

Xxx🎉😮😮

[@Geenaa213]

With peace and love Ethan and Hila’s “trust me I know” attitude rubbed me the wrong way. Ethan and Hila completely shut them down. Their drama and the Kardashians drama are on two different levels. The Kardashians are known for good and bad attention

[@Donny_McGillicuddy]

Hila and Ethan should be ashamed of themselves on how they treat their employees. And Hila saying Kim has "Yes Men" around... Have you looked around your studio? All you guys do is hire fans. Which I'd argue is unethical too. It creates a toxic power dynamic.

[@elinafina]

@@Donny_McGillicuddy you're the first person i've seen talk about how gross it is that half their crew is fans, thank u

[@sarahcdubz]

The difference between Ethan and Hila not faking drama (except they do with Oliver Tree…) and not being able to hire PR teams to create this type of publicity and KRIS FREAKING JENNER is astronomical. These are two different dimensions, it was infuriating how sure they were when there are numerous cases of the Kardashians doing this. This is WHY they’re famous. AB and Love were 100% right.

[@gm2349]

Ethan : " This is America FREE SPEECH" Dan : " Ha. I just banned someone in the chat for having an opinion about Kanye"

[@JS-rh8gk]

Agreed!!!!

[@Georgiopeterson]

Your infuriated because Ethan and Hila have an opinion ?? You and the other 14 year olds need to relax in these comments.

[@sarahcdubz]

@@Georgiopeterson I’m disagreeing with their opinion… You’re bothered by people criticizing an opinion? Maybe use the correct form of you’re before you come for someone, also I’m 25 but good one ✌🏻

[@mariaialcantara]

Watching Ethan and Hila shut down Love and AB’s argument about Kim was so frustrating. The Kardashians are literal billionaires. Their PR team is on another level compared to the ones KZbinrs have. And Ethan just kept saying that he KNOWS it wasn’t a publicity stunt. But in reality, he doesn’t! No one does except that family. I really wish Ethan and Hila would listen to their crew, instead of disregarding their opinions just because they don’t agree.

[@silcrow]

SO FRUSTRATING, outrage marketing for reality TV is as old as when Paris Hilton did The Simple Life. Saying something dumb goes a long way. I'm pretty sure Ethan was shutting down because he was hungry. ✊ Love was right

[@persephone8823]

Don’t give Kim this much credit. She for sure actually thinks that way and truly thinks she sounded bad ass saying that lmao that whole family is remedial, the dumb sh*t they say is really just dumb sh*t that they say.

[@denizypinarci]

I would have thought given that they hade a show together with Trisha that they would know when something is calculated to get more views.

[@alexie101010]

@@denizypinarci omg you’re so right!! Trisha is an amazing example of outrage media clout. It’s the same act and formula except the kardashians are even more calculated

[@krista5540]

@@persephone8823 they wouldn't be this famous if they just said dumb sh*it and didn't think twice about it

[@itsjustkarinamusic]

The astrologer deserves more respect. Talking about ordering food in between her call? Talking over her? Why even have her over if you’re going to be close minded the entire time.

[@Zoeypierce101]

Totally agree, they were negative about her from the very start. So weird that they would even have her on then.

[@mangumuerte8441]

yeah i didn’t like how ethan was kind of mocking her

[@MarcusMIDI]

Yeah taht was disgusting embarrassing behaviour :/

[@yyg4632]

i think they brought her on just to make fun

[@RuizaHana93]

I felt bad for her, you could see she was getting annoyed. Love the podcast, but that habit of Ethan talking over people or clowning guests when he doesn't agree with their point of view is :/

[@speeeee35]

This is embarrassing. Three of the four people living in my house don’t know who “Hila and Ethan” are. 30s, a kid, and older folks. But all of us know Kim. Why are you guys confidently comparing yourselves to…. The Kardashian’s. What I am to Hila and Ethan, Hila and Ethan are to Kim and her family. Are you guys that conceited that you think your Hollywood experience is even REMOTELY comparable to a BILLIONAIRE who everyone in the world knows. Why are you guys talking so confidently about something you obviously know nothing about? Traditional celebrities have always planned viral moments. Always. Even before they were called viral moments. Just so you know… If you read TMZ, and watched keeping Up with the Kardashians you will notice a DISTINCT difference between the stories that are real, and the ones that seem kind of…….. odd……… and then WOULDNT YOU KNOW! that very incident has a two episode arc. They WITHOUT QUESTION plan things strategically. Like, you don’t think people fake date in Hollywood? I’m so confused. I live in New York and even from knowing people LOOSELY in the industry bc of that, I know about drama often being fake. Honestly, I don’t even think this WAS fake. I’m just mad how certain you guys are 😂. I honestly think she was right. Like, I grew up wealthy and went to a private college with all wealthy kids- not one of them started a business at 20 like kim did. YES she had connections. Absolutely. But most rich kids do cocaine and don’t start working for daddy until they’re 26 and all partied out. I think a lot of people DO think that someone is going to come knocking on their door and offer them the world if they just believe 😂. I mean, the popularity of “manifesting” and how many people pass those chain letters on tiktok (Ching Ching Ching goes the money tree) proves that. Like, maybe go to a few investing and money making tiktoks. I’m kidding- but I think a lot of people do stop working hard at a point and are satisfied with where they are and kim and her family never are. And that’s the average person. Cause like I said, out of the rich kids I grew up with, none of us had our first job til like 21. And I mean like *our first job*… like working at a summer camp or something… and didn’t work seriously til much older. And seriously maybe like ONE person had a job in HS bc their parents made them. Even the fact kim worked in her dads office in Hs is insane. Like, with rich people, that’s almost like….. if your kids “have to work” while kids it makes you look bad 😂. The fact they can focus on extra curricular is the bragging dream. I don’t know so what you will about her but she definitely is a hard worker. Most people who grow up rich are like railing cocaine And don’t work in any capacity. Even if they’re really pretty or whatever.

[@lectro2674]

i aint reading allat but good for you or sorry for your loss

[@SingingCoyotes]

Yeah speaking of rich kids and cocaine that sure reads like something a former rich kid wrote while on cocaine lol. Can you send me $50?

[@bananamerchant6387]

Hey bro: if you're gonna run your mouth on the internet, the least you can do is summarize into a coherent thought.

[@isabelastroh8020]

Yeah this is the first time I've cringed at Hila and Ethan in a long time. The Kardashian family is on a whole other level than either of them are. Their experience is irrelevant, you guys are not on the same playing field. Please stop coming at the crew so hard, it makes both of you look terrible.

[@goodnuff]

"not on the same playing field" but here you are acting like you know better

[@LoicReviews]

The Kardashian are known for 2 things: their dad being O.J's lawyer and Kim having a sextape and look how they're all famous and rich now?! Kris is behind all of that! She can literally turn a shitty situation to a gold mine. Please let's not forget that not even a year ago this family was dealing with the Astroworld festival and that was brushed off real quick. I'm with Love and AB. Ethan and Hila don't give the Kardashian enough credit for how they actually manage their PR.

[@Memi-cp4yc]

Yup! Everything is calculated. Every phot shop fail and scandal they turn into money. They are shameless.

[@slxepygal]

PURRRRRRR

[@Jamoie.]

Amen

[@Carlteezus]

It was weird how much they pushed back. "Say something controversial" is not some impossible to not dream up chess move.

[@BigredbroMansfieldTechno4ge]

It’s simply money just like any other dumb celeb

[@BEELZEBEATT]

Olivia thank you so much for trying to stand up for Pete's mh, specifically BPD. You're like the only person I've heard speak about it so respectfully and with a real understanding. Obviously having BPD isn't an excuse for anything that was done or said wrong but people assume those with BPD are always going to be purposefully abusive and it hurts. It's a personality disorder that can't be helped and a lot of people who suffer from BPD, myself included, are horrified by the things we've said and done and wouldn't do them on purpose. Like if I didn't have BPD I would never lash out as harshly as I have in the past, I don't enjoy being a dick and losing friends over and over again and it's just nice to hear a liiittle bit of validation and understanding 😭💕

[@samanthaemery9598]

Kanye also has diagnosed BPD.

[@alex-ib9tq]

@@samanthaemery9598 I thought he had bipolar. Does he have both?

[@snoozyq9576]

Everything can be helped. Mental health problems can absolutely be helped. They affect us but they can be helped

[@cthulhuhoops]

I also have BPD, so I completely understand. ❤ I also 100% believe Olivia is the best thing about this show too.

[@candi4202]

Ethan needs to let people speak! The high horse for both him and hila is getting way to big. Humble yourselves before this show is unwatchable

[@bananamerchant6387]

If you don't like it don't watch it. Humble yourself. You're in no position to tell a grown man what to do.

[@compilationhub174]

Travis was literally involved with people being stomped until they were unalive at his show less than 6 months ago, and were here talking about Kim, Ye, Pete, and that whole circus. If that doesn't tell you that every move the Kardashians make is deliberate and planned, idk what else could.

[@soccerlovergirl1]

also, right around the same time of astroworld, we got flooded with pics of Travis Baker and Kourtney, to get people to talk about them and not astroworld.

[@springforeverandever]

@@soccerlovergirl1 also like on the second day ye had a post about his mom. And that played with my emotions

[@sydneysovern]

@@QTpatootie95 can’t you insult someone without dragging a whole group of disabled people into it? Adding “with peace and love” doesn’t make something less offensive.

[@mintymelancholy188]

Yeah. Ethan ranting about how no one is competent enough to do all this just made me think about Kris Jenner and how she literally built an empire around her daughters. Like she knows what she's doing.

[@Gage_McLanky]

Yeah how can they say these things aren't orchestrated when Kim's entire career and her fame started with an orchestrated "private" sextape.

[@ankaschannel]

It's really privileged to say hila isn't well-traveled, when she is from israel, where she goes back to regularly, has lived in new york, different places in california, has been to europe, mexico, thailand... most people don't ever leave their home country, they don't ever get on an air plane or see the ocean.

[@alyssakaytlin758]

i agree 1000%

[@nat3799]

Absolutely

[@srhndrw]

Thank you

[@alexramos4251]

I thought this too!! I’ve never even left my country lmfao

[@ninahays4935]

i agree. we are the same age but she has traveled a lot more than i am. just because she's not going somewhere every weekend doesnt mean she isnt well traveled.

[@Amsims]

100% agree with the crew. The Kardashians have a history of this. And yes there are pr teams who do this. That’s why there’s a saying the devil works hard but Kris Jenner works harder. Peace and love but don’t be rude because someone has a different more insightful opinion than your own.

[@paige2567]

Watching after Ethan refused to make apologies and holy shit, the comment section was right. Props to Maren for her professionalism. An incredible eloquent individual. Far more than Ethan lmao

[@K.pendragon]

Nah she’s lucky she got any type of publicity considering she’s a known white supremacist in the astrology community

[@snoozyq9576]

​@@K.pendragon really? What'd she do

[@littlebear20224]

@@snoozyq9576she steals her information from black astrologers

[@dustspores6396]

Can someone please explain to Ethan and Hila that "scripted" doesn't have to mean word for word lines written out for people to say. Reality shows are "scripted" by just asking the right questions to get a certain response out of someone that they can play with in editing. I can definitely see Kris and Kim having a conversation going something like: "let's mention the lack of workers in this interview cause that's a problem for big companies rn like ours."

[@Zeynepchen]

Exactly reality tv is highly orchestrated. When they said they don’t believe that I couldn’t take them seriously. There are enough bts information how producers orchestrate stuff like that.

[@JennaEmbers]

any time the subject of reality tv being fake comes up on the show they are usually defensive about it and i think it’s because they both just really enjoy watching reality tv together and want to be able to believe that it is real. which yeah, to your point, the conversations are often real but the plot points are often contrived. but i think accepting that would take a lot of the fun out of it for them so i don’t think that’s gonna happen lol.

[@janejanejaney]

@@JennaEmbers True, there are sociology and media books that cover the ethical controversies of reality TV production. It's not a secret and it's well studied. There are literally producers called "fluffers" whose sole job is to rile up participants in shows and encourage meltdowns (mainly on shows like Jeremy Kyle, Maury and Big Brother, but I imagine they're involved in most reality shows). Reading about it tends to make me feel sad for people on these shows, so I get why Ethan and Hila would rather deny and ignore the level of production that goes into reality tv.

[@SB-se7vb]

It’s probably semantics but your interpretation is closer to “staged”. “Scripted” is a more faithful iteration.

[@Itwasalladream1987]

Hila and Ethan thinking that the Kardashians don't set shit up for clout etc is soooooo ignorant. They can't compare their drama situations to this because its on a whole different level and they're such good ppl they can't see how ppl could be so calculated and psycho to get what they want.

[@savannahthomas]

I think that’s what it is, Ethan and Hila just can’t fathom it. But there are plenty of rich/well off people who haven’t parlayed that into fame and success like the whole kardashian/jenner family has. Kim always stays in the headlines - for example, her televised wedding to the basketball player (and short lived marriage). Do the Klein’s not think that was calculated? Yes, some scandals happen naturally and Kim may have meant the work statement, but her whole career has been calculated. She (her mother, her team) are marketing geniuses.

[@ughkiley]

Agree

[@lovethatforyou533]

I think he acknowledged that they do calculated stunts, he just felt like this was a genuine moment of her being an out of touch bitch.

[@sashakay1012]

With peace and love, I’m glad there’s people who support Ethan and Hila whilst at the same time holding them accountable and calling them out when need be

[@Donny_McGillicuddy]

Hila and Ethan should be ashamed of themselves on how they treat their employees. And Hila saying Kim has "Yes Men" around... Have you looked around your studio? All you guys do is hire fans. Which I'd argue is unethical too. It creates a toxic power dynamic.

[@mikejones2405]

I kind of can’t believe Ethan AND Hila both died on that hill smh do you actually think that no one could have possibly had the idea that saying “nobody wants to work” might piss people off??? “no one could have predicted this drama” like what’s wrong with you two? 100% of people could have predicted that saying something so out of touch might cause drama. Y’all deserve all the hate that you’re getting from this episode. I can’t event finish this one

[@noodle3851]

Exactly the kardashians have been around for YEARS now they know how to get people talking. Like their show lasted for 15 years its not easy as they think it its

[@ReadingFanatic14]

Hila and Ethan pulling “trust me we have been through this…” is irrelevant because they are nowhere near Kanye and Kims fame and the way it works for them. They cant compare their experience because its simply just not the same.

[@michelletrimboli7500]

Honestly, Ethan & Hila made me feel some type way this time around… having a guest come on & then shutting her down & interrupting her throughout the entire time… she took time out of her own schedule to make it on the podcast, yet the skepticism was more ignorant the way it was portrayed… being opinionated is one thing, but I think she should of been given more respect.. def felt awkward & inconsiderate more than anything. Never felt this way towards them, but kind of gave me a new perspective on how they treat people at times. They embarrassed the poor girl & themselves tbh 😭 peace & love y’all, but ya gotta be more open minded sometimes & look at things from a different point of view, b/c not everything that was said was supposed to be interpreted in a literal sense.

[@Alex-lr7ty]

exactly!! and ethan kept interrupting her...

[@YourName-ws2ru]

Yeah i mean if they were not willing to have an open mind in the first place then don't invite her at all? if anything it says more about them than the astrologist. Skipped the whole astrology thing and moved on to the next part just to see Ethan and Hila shutting down Love and AB's good reasonable arguments. Was looking forward to this week's afterdark cuz they built it up so much in previous episode but i guess i shouldn't put my expectations too high.

[@Crailtep]

Who fucking cares astrology is fake anyway

[@slunkzilla]

They kept it a buck, that has always been their thing - calling out bs and conmen, and she was clearly bullshitting them. Segment was way too long anyway

[@YourName-ws2ru]

@@Crailtep being disrespectful to a guest is not a good thing pal, no wonder no one wants to come to the show anymore

[@DrMattPhillips]

They argue over how hard it is to calculate such a large PR stunt, am I the only one here thinking... It's not exactly that complicated of a PR move. During the lockdown, Kim got backlash for being out of touch due to her wealth when she had her birthday party on the secluded island. This was likely accidental backlash. Then someone notices that and says, "hey, this story was everywhere, wasn't it? Why don't we just do it again to stir up buzz for the show & control the narrative?" They do just that with a generic 'poor women don't work hard' statement' then add an anti-feminist tint on top for good measure and would you look at that, the same outcome as last time, but this time tied into a show promotion. I disagree that there aren't genius media manipulation people out there in traditional media, but even besides that... It's hardly a big brain chess move. It's literally recreating something that ALREADY happened. Kim & her team have done bigger than this before. The scale of this is being overblown by Ethan & Hila quite substantially & yet everyone's arguing like that premise they gave is true.

[@TikatheSquirrel]

The only people holding this podcast together lately are the crew LOL can we just have weeks where they come on and Hila and Ethan stay home and whine

[@leolego2]

Whining is what you're doing, just piss off

[@jessicanovella9893]

Facts

[@FranklinCrew]

i agree lol. ethan's been annoying lately.

[@deshaanpillay9810]

I agree with you here

[@snoozyq9576]

I normally get annoyed but these comments but watching this made me really understand. I don't like seeing this behaviour either

[@genenem6641]

What I love about AB’s burrito is that it can have whatever you imagine inside, the perfect burrito

[@allisons8480]

Schrodinger's burrito 😆 the burrito is filled with both bad and good things until we open it.

[@frama1122]

It just contains another burrito, burritoception

[@willwalker4918]

@@allisons8480 the burrito is full of live cats, or…

[@Daddjess]

😂😂😂

[@ciaacho1]

@@allisons8480 let's petition to replace the metaphor of Schrodinger's cat with AB's burrito. It's easier to spell and doesn't include dead cats, everybody wins.

[@MariTVASMR]

I love hearing what AB and Love have to say, but I’m hoping this doesn’t make them scared to hold their ground when their opinions differ from the majority. Going to miss having Love in the studio!😭

[@adangarcia7962]

Last time ab said he liked someone ethan didn’t he got death threats from idiots and also made lena terrified. Furthermore ethan apologize to the viewers not to ab or lena which left a very bad taste to me.

[@A1finesse]

When does the drama happen

[@Lexiloooo59]

Ethan and Hila were extremely rude to that astrology guest just mocking her beliefs I’m actually so disappointed in them.

[@01.43pm]

Ethan doesn’t have to agree with everything his guest says, but how he treated Maren this episode was so out of line. So rude lol, I was genuinely interested in what she had to say and him just mocking her knowledge constantly made me feel real bad for her :(

[@fudgesticklebear]

Ethan and Hila were so weird towards Love and AB - they could be wrong, but they were just trying to make sense of the situation. Really bizarre reaction.

[@kkaattyy]

agree 100%! as out of touch as it was, i found it just weird more than anything else.

[@bellah.7171]

yeah i think hila is def a little triggered and sensitive to the topic bc of the trisha drama and how far and gross it went ppl still were speculating "fake fake" so it's a soft spot but i fully disagree. you can't just shut down someone's very valid opinion bc a vaguely similar situation happened of being accused, youtubers and h3h3 is sooo different from the kardashians. the kardashians are full blown celebs w/ supermodels, tv shows, makeup and clothes companies, i mean so much they've been calculating their every move forever now. what kim said was for sure to get shock value and she knew she'd get a rise out of ppl.

[@Bryannt]

Hila seems to do that to Ab often not sure if anyone else has noticed

[@Pepperoni]

@@Bryannt completely

[@akillen77]

@@Bryannt Hila doesn't like Arabs

[@elladoesburg2356]

The way Ethan and Hila felt defensive to say that these things weren’t planned kinda gave the implication that they are in a close enough proximity class or social wise to understand their mindset which is such a far off take and just not correct, They are not in a league comparable to the kardashians. the Kardashians do have massive groups of people around them much smarter than them, they have the smartest group of people surrounding them

[@user-ws7cp3ec4g]

When there’s that much money being made there’s smart people taking a slice

[@dm_1236]

It's literally like $10million net worth vs $10 billion. Idk why Hila thinks she is in the know...

[@hadeelm1190]

lmao and they keep comparing their drama to the kardashian’s. its like totally different worlds. even their point that theyre trying to make doesnt make sense like if ur drama is real doesnt make all drama real or unplanned. just funny logic and kinda stupid ngl

[@elenah8860]

so entitled!! They really think they're on the kardashian level lmao I canttttttt

[@hanhan123123456]

this podcast used to give me a lot of joy but the way Ethan and Hila talk to their team is really upsetting and anxiety endusing :(

[@Littleneonbabe]

Oh my goodnessss I don’t think it was as horrible as the comments were saying but I was cringing the entire time with Maren because oh my god Ethan never let her finish a sentence. NOT ONCE. And she was so well spoken and seemed like she knew and had studied exactly what she was talking about. That was so nauseating to me. Pleeease if you’re going to keep doing interviews and want to do them with higher profile people PLEASE let them speak and try to be a little more respectful.

[@snoozyq9576]

Yea I'm always that person that dismisses these commants every time and wants to stand up for Ethan. I hate having to agree for once but this time I do.

[@pinguufuuuu]

ethan will be like "lets do a segment" and not even include the entire h3 team, only hila and himself. i really would've liked to hear about everyone else's charts.

[@charris16726]

I know, I feel like Olivia wanted to hear hers 😭

[@slunkzilla]

God, then the episode would be 8 hours of snoozefest

[@joseluismanzana1606]

It was a bullshit segment and went on longer than it should anyway

[@brooke7413]

same i was curious about dan, zach, love, olivia, ian, sam & ab & lena's placements. they got like zero time aside from zach & they're more interesting to me than ethan & hila tbh

[@joseluismanzana1606]

@@brooke7413 Yeah a 2 hour segment on astrology is a right good idea

[@user-uo7wx2mo8q]

AB with peace and love please stop being afraid of being canceled and share your thoughts and opinions! We want to hear them, I want to hear them.

[@emaired22]

i don’t blame him tho people have been ruthless to him in the past

[@user-bv6fh7nk8g6x]

I mean the Internet can be savage. AB is very sweet though. Shout-out to his family.

[@hotsauce5745]

@@emaired22 Doesn't help that when he got shit for the David Dobrik stuff Ethan and Hila just let him take it because they were so invested with Trisha at the time. I can see why he would be so reserved about being more opinionated.

[@Love-ho8wh]

i feel him, i do the same, its really though having 100's of people ruthlessly bashing you after every ep.

[@brankbrank6417]

@@hotsauce5745 i didn’t really like frenimies and tend to skip a lot of them episodes, can u give me a rundown on wat happened to AB in that cancellation thing ?

[@ThelonewolfxDD]

Not ethan and hila who worship real house wives comiing out here and saying stuff isnt scripted😶

[@cupoffruit1]

Coming back to these old podcast episodes I am always reminded how much work Ethan has put into his health. Keep it up man!

[@Jcqlnddrr]

ETHAN AND HILA THINKING THEY ARE EVEN ON THE SAME LEVEL THE KARDASHIANS IS HILARIOUS . LOVE AND AB ARE SOOOOOO RIGTH , they were so condescending to them, it was painful to watch Love and AB excusing their thinking when they were actually ON POINT. 🥴🥴🥴 but oh okay

[@Gayfella]

Kris is a PR genius. Their career started from how they present themselves. It’s not a conspiracy to think they don’t have it all figured out after their continued success in the entertainment sphere.

[@deadams8905]

Exactly. I thought this was pretty common knowledge

[@jazz8059]

Please give an example of Kris Jenner being a PR genius lol

[@allyssalipp3926]

@@jazz8059 Kim, kourtney, klohè kardashian AND Kendall & Kylie Jenner are all insanely famous.. and they had a reality show for years. Kris IS a PR Genius whether people like her or not 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Gayfella]

@@jazz8059 they all have a career based on not having a typical talent lmao. The central figure is the matriarch. How do you do all of that that beyond PR and media buzz? Tell me.

[@MrArmenian17]

@@Gayfella the central figure is not Kris, it's Kim. Kim is the matriarch.

[@Mal1ily]

The fact that it says 2.99mil right now is so funny to me

[@andreauzc]

Damn y’all didn’t even link the astrologers socials in the description 😬 That’s pretty shitty with peace and love

[@Onionbhaji420]

It’s getting hard to watch this when Ethan never shuts up when talking over guests. I wanted to hear the crews horoscopes too, and the woman doing the readings looked so irritated. I get making fun of people but it seemed in bad taste. Also, AB and Love are totally right about Kardashians manufacturing drama. Ethan and Hila thinking they know how it works when they both are very niche celebrities is low key kind of insane. The kardashians are a huge brand, A list celebrities who have managers that wouldn’t even work with Hila and Ethan, y’all need to eat humble pie lol

[@missbelle_elle]

Here’s the comment I left “ To CREW I’ve been a HUGE FAN OF ALL OF YOU - WAY BEFORE CHANNEL GOT BIG / props for that 👋🏻 To :Ethen I’m not sure WTF you’re on... With all due respect. You are becoming… , Or are just more comfortable now days, your need to be correct & get validation, your need to check the crew & calling them out if they’re like “ no bro… that’s too much” you speak of many people ( ALL THE TIME !! find something else that’s actually important or fun… or NEW… & explore new subjects ) it’s making you look extremely self- regarding & completely out of touch with everyone ( besides your family -ovi-) IMPORTANT ADVICE: !!!!!READ THE ROOM ETHEN!!!!! 🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸 YOUR CREW DOESN’T LIKE TO BE RUDE OR TALK AS MUCH ŠŠHïT AS YOU DO. They’re always moving away from a subject you beat like a dead horse! on a DAILY basis. For a while now. The best thing to happen to you was being kicked off KZbin for a moment. The fact that your crew has to watch what they say, bc you will attack them while live, & you shut them up with some lame joke “lol” type of shit, speak over them.. & than they laugh it off bc you pay them. If those were your real friends, they’d most likely tell you that 1. your jokes are getting old 2. You need to let everyone have an opinion even if they don’t agree with you 3. Stop stretching out stories, your obsession with keem & kavanough is getting old. Most of us watching can almost always predict that we will hear about keem, who I, personally think is nothing & you talk about him as if He is, if your audience doesn’t like keem, stop fking talking about him & find a cool subject to talk about, interesting, smart. 4. You’re basically becoming a tea channel on drugs. 5. When people call in LIVE show them some respect. Understand that they’re not in a studio with a whole. Crew ready to fire & be funny ( sound bites included) It’s cruel. You seem to enjoy making others look bad . The lovely girl who called in ( astrologer ) was so caught off guard by your none stop insulting words & horrible demeanor … belittled her to the point that her poor voice was cracking. Asking her if there’s any credentials, as if she couldn’t say THE SAME THING BACK. “ so why do I have to listen to you, aren’t you just like a regular post cast & all the information you say, Google & the whole world already knows” you’re a total jerk for that. But the dude that calls in on Fridays ( WC DAVE) a character from Beavis & Butthead, screams “ vooooobaby fk fk fk voooo “ like it’s some EXCITING VIBE. It’s Anoying as FCK Ethen. I fast forward that part EVERY FRIDAY. Sounds like SHIT on headphones / just fyi. Says a lot about you, you cheer on this dude who says 2 words on repeat- but a girl humbly going on your show, gets humiliated. You Owe her an apology. You’re a hypocrite, you talk about being all chill & you’re the cool dad brah, PEACE & LOVE bs. while at the same time putting others down just bc you think THE OLDEST way of reading & understanding life is a bunch of BS. Your own crew felt bad…. They basically apologized to her - for you! at the end. AB you’re kind & thank you for giving her a break from the embarrassment Ethen caused her in front of 1000’s viewers, good thing you don’t kiss azz ( like a few of them do ) I almost turned it off bc it’s was so sad to hear how carelessly you could think of someone’s life & passion. No wonder you’re losing subs. Let me remind you, MORE THAN HALF THESE LISTENERS LOVE THE CREW, more than you. If I were you I’d TAKE THE HUBMLE PIECE OF PIE YOU !STILL!TALK ABOUT /// & EAT IT. Come back down to earth, you were much cooler when you didn’t have to tell us every 20 minutes. “

[@piperbrown1056]

I wanted to see all their charts rip

[@ferrypanda]

For real! They think they’re hot shit. I miss when they were more humble and more in touch with reality.

[@spliter55]

@@missbelle_elle preach it brotha!

[@missbelle_elle]

@@ThugDestroyer thanks thug destroyer. Your opinion is valuable to us. 🤣

[@es-ch8kj]

I can tell AB’s feelings get heart because of how Ethan responds to him often. It seems like he doesn’t want to speak up as much or is debating whether he should or shouldn’t.

[@robertwalsh1401]

Dont worry, people who dont understand social cues here say that AB and Love werent offended. Glad theyre in the know.

[@morganwalz3938]

AB did that everyone saw that

[@alexarias5717]

I feel like Ethan has always treated him badly, I noticed it for the first time when he talked about having his own Livestream and making a bunch of money in donations off it and Ethan acted so salty about it

[@sara.othman]

I feel like aside from all this, AB generally gets ignored whenever he tries to add in comments here and there compared to Dan where like every comment Dan makes is reacted to?

[@mikejones2405]

The fact that Ethan and Hila can sit there and pretend to understand what the kardashians go through is so sad. The only relatable thing between those two and the kardashians is that they’re all delusional and out of touch. That final conversation was gross

[@manedrain]

💯

[@zach4944]

Hila and Ethans newfound "elitist" attitudes are slippin...

[@djzhest]

Hila and Ethan were so obnoxious at the end. They don’t have a lot of self awareness since they often directly accuse people of clout chasing and manipulating media. I love them but it was tough to watch Hila shutting Love down so intentionally.

[@suna2317]

The end discussion…just really missed the mark. The conversation was handled very poorly. A fact that still surprises me considering how long Ethan has been doing these podcasts. You’d think he’d have learned how to keep a balanced talk. I think having a private conversation with friends that gets a little heated like that is fine. It happens. But in a professional setting with an audience of thousands watching…I feel like there is some responsibility there for a boss to keep the peace and maintain a safe talking environment. Even if that means taking a step back from strong opinions and trying to keep a level of mutual understanding. It just seems like Ethan wants an echo-chamber of yes men sometimes, and can’t handle disagreeing opinions in a tactful manner. Hila too surprisingly. It has happened a few times in the show where Ethan has undermined his crew in front of thousands. Now I know why they are hesitant to speak out on controversial things. Because their own boss jumps at their throats, never mind the audience lol

[@karleeviator5278]

right !! everyone points out that they are friends and we don’t see all of their interactions - we know that, but the interactions that we DO see are uncomfortable and awkward and make the show hard to watch

[@seethroughyou5885]

Exactly

[@joycecaswell5785]

Love this show and Ethan and Hila so much. Stan every move they make and buy everything they put out but I gotta agree, this episode was painful. I was so sad and embarrassed for the way Ethan treated the astrologer. I get he doesn’t believe in astrology (neither do I) but this is a person talking about what she does for a living and you treated it like a big schtick. Then the situation with AB and Love… ugh. I’m so disappointed and sad.

[@bearsbeetsbattlestargalact3484]

Maren is not a working class person, she’s very wealthy lol

[@cluecumber]

astrologer is "working class" OMEGALUL it's pure grift.

[@nickmendoza8878]

Clownnn

[@tachyonX370]

Yeah ,astrologers are quite nefarious too , and are con people just like the old witch glass that helps people see their dead folk is a scam and easliy manipulated and astrology is the same

[@freekmol7484]

ethan and hila are acting like their dramas are on the level of the literal kardashians. the kardashians love to act dumb, but truly; they’re not dumb

[@LaurelDulak]

jesus the disrespect from hila and ethan was unreal. so comical that they believe these PR systems don’t exist, you two just can’t afford them lmfao

[@ev_hc01]

Lmaooooo amen

[@loganmaxwell8851]

Why not let Love actually explain his point of view without being interrupted?

[@creepycrawlie]

ethan? not interrupting people? what have you been watching

[@Renderduck]

@@creepycrawlie I feel like it has gotten worse lately

[@candi4202]

Shout out to dan for trying desperately to hold this show together. Also ab you are awesome. And love too. Olivia looks pained to be on this show. Edit ethan your attitude is making this show unwatchable. I used to love this show but man, this i couldn't even finish. Peace and love

[@kattrinkl9739]

The fact that Ethan and Hila think their drama is close to the kardashians at all is wild. Totally different worlds. Do they know about Kris Jenner lol

[@lindseyk3556]

The way their guest was treated was really hard to watch. Cutting her off and talking over her to make jokes was so rude and unnecessary. I’m surprised no one, including Hila, spoke up for her. I love this show, but this really turned me around about how they treat people. I honestly feel sorry for her wasting her time. Wow.

[@erinn4178]

i totally agree. I almost just clicked out of the video. The whole point of the guest is to hear what they have to say not to talk about lunch or constantly interrupt. Ethan just keeps shutting down other people’s ideas in this video and it’s really irritating

[@krisb928]

Agreed I actually had to skip ahead because it was so hard to watch

[@momentofours3644]

I agree. I don’t believe in astrology but I thought it was an interesting segment and it would’ve been interesting to hear about the crews signs too. But Ethan was being rude af and just dismissing her. This is why people don’t want to come on the podcast.

[@naffoff]

I agree, it was incredibly rude and a waste of her time.

[@breewatts5425]

Yeah...i can still tell that Ethan and the crew especially were trying to be respectful to her. I don't believe in astrology but it bothered me that she got cut off so often, her being a guest. Although Ethan does that a lot to anyone I guess...

[@jennastevens9024]

No, Love and AB are right. Everything they do and say is so calculated and rehearsed. Ethan and Hila comparing their dramas/controversies to the kardashians is irrelevant. It is a whole different playing field. Their entire careers have been built on their personality and drama. It can be both something she believes and planned, which I believe it is both.

[@lynnanne5360]

What personality? Lol

[@christianramirez7885]

Exactly! Kardashian careers were shaped by tabloids. It started before the whole KZbin thing too. Love Ethan and Hila but their drama and PR attempts are different. With peace and love ❤️

[@paulinalopez10]

omg thank you!! they kept speaking over AB and Love and saying shit like “that’s not how the world works” but then they use Logan Paul, a KZbinr, and the Suicide Forest Incident, some thing much more drastic than Kim’s ignorant statement, as an example. It’s clear that they’re thinking from their KZbinr lens and not the Hollywood atmosphere where the Kardashians have built their entire enterprise from PR stunts and controversies.

[@julianna6181]

Also ethan is involved in fake drama with oliver tree

[@jessicabishop7394]

YES! This part really pissed me off. Ethan and Hila seemed to get very defensive as a result of their perspective being bias due to their own personal experiences with being accused of faking drama. They are coming from a KZbinr perspective as opposed to Hollywood reality TV. I feel like it would have been better for them to hear the guys out instead of interrupting them and speaking down to them. I really didn’t like this conversation because they should be more open to hearing a different perspective and try not to get so defensive. Disagree and having a conversation about the disagreement is great and healthy, but this wasn’t productive. It’s teaching the other party not to speak up because they won’t be heard, even if that is not your intention.

[@beekay700]

Trisha always calculated her viral trolling…. Worked for her.

[@mha009]

as someone with BPD, thank you olivia for bringing it up about pete! very important point

[@ellie2308]

I believe Dan, Ethan, and Hila were a little quick to shut down Love and AB's theory and didn't give them much chance to speak before arguing over them. To be honest, nobody REALLY knows the full story of Kim, Kanye and Pete, so why shut them down so quick without even trying to hear them out?

[@jessgaletin]

Cuz god forbid you disagree with Ethan and Hila...

[@chriswilson3698]

They think they are as famous as Kim and Kanye lol hilarious

[@chriswilson3698]

@@jessgaletin no one disagrees with queen hila

[@ellie2308]

​@@chriswilson3698 chill, they are good people.

[@livoooo2831]

I agree, would have loved Ethan and Hila to be more open minded about the other opinions

[@aleksandraszejnoga]

with peace and love arguments and heated discussions happen - i dont even care who was wrong or who was right but Ethan and Hilas attitudes were not it

[@SnakeMCGaming]

Nothing was heated though lol

[@spinelli187]

Hila is kind of turning into a primadonna lately 😢 the Kardashians are a trillion times more famous than Hila and Ethan…they have no idea what a conglomerate that size has for a PR team…with peace and love of course😅

[@jjjjj8455]

@@spinelli187 she’s been pregnant and has a newborn stfu

[@ec-3po]

It’s not that deep

[@funnykidsful]

YESSS they seemed mad this whole video tbh

[@Geenaa213]

3:41:41 “yeah let’s see what the chat says” Hila’s tone man. Hila’s been slowly getting worked up about things that shouldn’t matter. Even the fact she got so bothered about Astrology. And I think Ethan is going to side with Hila no matter what.

[@SublimeGemini]

I'm disliking Hila more and more with each stream sadly.

[@Geenaa213]

3:42:01 Hila heard that lol almost like a passive aggressive side to her. It’s like you can slowly see Love just back down after awhile. And even AB trying to back down as well, and he even expressed he doesn’t want to get “cancelled”. I feel like Hila has been showing her true colors these past episodes, including Ethan’s behavior towards Love and Ab has been snarky. But Hila gives off this passive-aggressive attitude as of recent. She used to be relaxed and chill but now you can tell she has this “above all” attitude, something about her vibe has been throwing me off. With peace and love ☮️ ✌🏼

[@OliBolivia]

AB wont get cancelled or he would be cancelled long time ago. As Ethan says “nobody cares”, enough to cancel ab

[@SublimeGemini]

THIS. Hila used to be so humble and kind, now she's slowly getting a god complex.

[@BennjkSyd]

I think I hold Ethan and hila on such a high pedestal it’s becomes so much more shocking when they just miss the mark so badly. I can’t believe they don’t understand how PR savey that family are. To think they aren’t smart enough to have you dedicate a segment to what Kim said wasn’t on purpose is beyond me. Kim said what she said knowing it would get attention. I can give Ethan a pass for being so stupidly naive but hila was surprising, I really thought she was smarter than that. And Ethan and hila talking over love and ABs points was disgraceful, Ethan and hila realised they were wrong but couldn’t admit it Live on air

[@KarlJayce]

Ethan does this all the time...sometimes I don't care for his opinion but from the crew

[@JennaEmbers]

omg ben, this resonates with me so much. there have been moments where their takes disappointed me so much that I had to like, step away and calm down before writing my thoughts lol. but yeah like you said I think it comes from how much I respect them. the more I respect someone the more their opinions will matter to me. i just try my best to be as calm as possible when commenting a contrasting opinion cause I also never want to be someone contributing to the hate; but I think foot soldiers are able to help keep things balanced and in check. because I can see how easy it would become out of touch when you are in their position and I know they really try their best to stay grounded. it’s one of the reasons why I continue to support them even if there are times when I disagree with their takes.

[@Ilovedallthepeople]

They are not responsible for you forming a parasocial relationship with them and being hypersensitive about the stuff they do. It really wasnt that bad.

[@Ilovedallthepeople]

@@KarlJayce Its not their show lmao

[@lolaaaaaaaaaaaa]

You're way too invested in Hila and Ethans life, everyone talks over each other, that's just what they do. 'Disgraceful' is such a ridiculous word to use in this context, how can you be so sensitive?

[@abigailfaith5207]

I felt so bad seeing Love and AB trying to explain their opinion, but being shut down every single time. So disappointing ):

[@K._M]

@@ThugDestroyer those *millionaires* feel entitled (that being H3 in case you missed my point)

[@lindseyp9131]

Imo it was just a debate. Sure they could have let them talk more but they weren't like mean or anything to them. It's just debating. But I agree with AB and Love here

[@mewni2956]

@@ThugDestroyer Damn, you are indeed missing the point and just baah'ing like a sheep

[@flerrrrrrrrrrrp2997]

who's here after the shredder tattoo??

[@celineayesha]

zach's timing of the keem star soundbite when ethan was saying he'd tattoo hila if she died was so funny LOL

[@ciara2176]

30:45

[@melissawarner3280]

That part starts around 30:00

[@johnwright2884]

Zack's a good guy. And a dirtyball

[@boader254]

30:15

[@jamesscott8168]

4:20

[@aleksandraszejnoga]

Yall tried to talk about this topic three times and it backfired 🤣 Love and AB were right imo. I hope you get past it cause i enjoy the show.

[@beetlejuicekoking1286]

@@ThugDestroyer no you missed the point redact

[@reem7708]

@@ThugDestroyer who says numbnuts tho

[@sirmel11]

It's really annoying how they don't talk about the topics they want to. Some topics have been skipped completely.

[@stephenbassett9065]

@@ThugDestroyer bro why you in every comment 😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Dean.Crockett]

It was crazy to hear Ethan and Hila claim that “PR agencies don’t exist”?? I’ve worked for 2 of them. So much Kardashian drama has been plainly orchestrated. The sex tape, the drama between Travis and Kylie, Caitlyn transitioning right after committing manslaughter as Bruce, they’re entire legacy is build around carefully orchestrated PR.

[@LA-ug4gk]

I don't get how they dismiss the fact that faking controversy isn't possible as if Ethan doesn't fake controversy with Oliver Tree, tried with Nickocado avocado, and had a whole show dedicated to controversy, Frenemies

[@lectro2674]

the oliver tree stuff is a bit you goon

[@LA-ug4gk]

@@lectro2674 I know but you'd be lying if you can't admit they use it to get more views it's staged controversy is what my point is Side note: Ethan also thought the Nickocado avocado back and forth was a bit so....

[@river9309]

Ethan: they’re not smart enough to plan something like that also Ethan: the sex tape leak was definitely planned

[@ginaelliott3908]

Also- why have the astrologer pull up and have everyone’s birth charts ready if you’re only going to talk about your own?

[@MaryJJones-ge7iz]

I was wondering the same it was mostly talking about himself and then telling her how he doesnt believe and the segment was super awk but i still enjoyd it. Would have loved to learn about the others charts though

[@laure26]

Ethan doesn’t like that everyone wants more crew time

[@MaryJJones-ge7iz]

@@laure26 i hope he will see that we love the crew they are part of our family

[@MM-qf6yl]

We didn't get to see everyone else's chart! u.u

[@euniethepooh]

Why is it so hard for Ethan and Hila to believe that the Kardashians could intentionally manufacture drama for publicity? Isn't TRISHA a prime example of someone that says dumb or outrageous things just to start drama and get views?

[@Luke-lv4ql]

I reckon she's just naturally dumb.

[@nalternative4744]

Exactly!!!

[@dcham041]

Not everything is black and white , I think it’s both real and manufactured or scripted

[@K._M]

I’ve been reading comments about how Hila took it so personally because going through the Trisha drama was hell for them. Ethan and hila may not have been faking any of it, but I’m sure Trisha was and they just never realized it because they just lumped all her antics in with her BPD symptoms. Trisha is probably hate watching this ep right now and laughing at the irony of it all

[@DrMattPhillips]

@@Junitunes Trisha's motive for them falling out is something only she knows, but what we do know factually is that Trisha frequently said absurd things on the show that are provably false for attention, like her not knowing what the Holocaust was, lying about the dog she was given, lying about the teacher. That's not even including the off-air stuff that was as dumb as Kim's comment, of which she's been saying for years for attention like: being gay is a choice, supporting Mitt Romney, making fun of trans people and then lying about it etc. If Ethan doesn't get it by now and genuinely thinks people like Kim are genuinely dumb, then he's choosing not to see it. He literally already fell for this before. Even outside the toxic stuff, Mr Beast and Ludwig have spoken about the art form of calculation when making content and media/PR.

[@luke.1019]

The comments were definitely an over reaction, that said, AB and Love were still correct though. Ethan and Hila’s refusal of even the possibility of what Kim said being staged is what was odd.

[@johnvandam857]

Hila is arguing about the Kardashian stuff like she knows it for fact, It's all speculation. She knows just as much about the situation as Love & AB do.

[@relaxationstation7634]

With Peace and Love, Hila talking about how she knows what it's like to be dragged in the media compared to Kim Kardashian is so laughable. Obviously Hila is a talented woman and has made a name for herself by her hard work and skills when it comes to clothing. She is known by millions of people. But Kim is a household name to billions. Kim has a full PR team. This family has perfected the art of staying in the press and constantly being talked about. They knew what questions were going to asked by Variety before the interview (that's normal) so Kim and her team already worked out exactly what Kim was going to say - or at least the main points Kim was going to say so that it sounded less rehearsed. Compared to Kim, Hila is just another joe-shmoe (again with Peace and Love). The Kardashian family is very calculating. They've been doing this and doing it VERY well for over a decade. The Kardashians and their teams know what they are doing. I mean, Khloe posted a photo on Instagram (and they are always SOOO photoshopped to the point where they don't even look like Khloe) but her hand looked SOOOO weird. It made the news, albeit some bullshit new outlets like Buzzfeed, but still. They pay people to edit their photos. Khloe wouldn't have posted that picture of her hand looking like Voldemort's hand unless she was trying to get attention and publicity. IDK if she had some new TV show or some bullshit to sell to her fans. But the hand thing was on purpose, 100%. Hila just hasn't worked with very competent PR people it seems like. But I'm proud of Love for standing his ground on his opinion because the dude is exactly right. I appreciated that AB had Love's back even though he backed off to avoid getting possibly cancelled haha!