Kinder Scout Wildcamping & a look at my lightweight summer set up MLD Cricket.

Kinder Scout Wildcamping & a look at my lightweight summer set up...MLD Cricket.
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In this video myself & ‪@PaulMessner‬ head out onto Kinder Scout for a wildcamp where we have a great conversation about when we were young so check out Paul's video coming soon for an insight into that.
I also respond to questions about my summer lightweight set up so i go through what that consists of.
Details of my summer lightweight kit..
Total baseweight excluding food,water & camera gear = 5.1kg..
consisting of -
Atompack M50 = 910g.
MLD Cricket = 365g.
Polycro groundsheet = 104g.
Cumulas Taiga 360 quilt = 600g.
Thermarest neoair xlite = 470g.
Alpkit Kloke Bivvy = 285g.
Exped pillow = 70g.
non slip 3mm foam mat = 95g.
xtras -
Spare clothes = 839g.
Alpkit myti 900 = 120g.
Speedster 50mm meth stove = 20g.
stormin cone =26g.
Electricals = 1.2kg.

[@PaulMessner]

Thank you for this trip mate. It was just what I needed. It’s good to watch it back. The conditions were awesome….and it looks like I missed a treat having a lie in. Look forward to the next one 👍

[@bobfor4868]

Good to see you out n about Mr M!

[@Steve72Outdoors]

Looks like you had a great time gents. Wow can't believe how dry the clough are already. I certainly recognise that little spot 😉🤫

[@chrisbaines4339]

Nice to see you out an about Paul 👍🏻

[@AndrewBeavers]

cheers mate good to get you smiling again & enjoying getting out again..

[@Martycycleman]

Cheers Andy it's not the only way to put smiles on people's faces.

[@suedavies2157]

Just watched, then watched Paul’s video. Excellent content from you both! Loved the chat about your childhoods - making trolleys and having a good hiding happened in the Midlands too! Thank you for sharing another great trip with us 😊

[@unclepeteswildadventures]

Well done for getting yer mate out. We all pull together. All in the same tribe.

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@TheSoloSummiteer]

Looked like a nice chilled one that, Andy. Great to see you two with smiles on your faces 😀. Proper friends. Priceless 👊🙏🏻

[@AndrewBeavers]

cheers pal yeah always good to have a nice steady one & just remember why we actually get up the hills tfw.

[@bobfor4868]

Seems like a lot of kerfuffle for a tent wi' no door! ✌️😉☺️

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@sujoyteslesl]

Andy Beavers always gives off this vibe that he legit LIVES in those grounds and is perfectly fine with never returning to 'civilization,' thank you very much. Cheers

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & yeah if i could dissapear into those hills & never return id be happy with that lol tfw.

[@sujoyteslesl]

@@AndrewBeavers HA! I thought I posted this on Messner's vid before making my way over here. That's when I realized I'd not been subscribed to your channel despite watching a whole bag of 'em. It's been rectified Cheers, Andrew. From Toronto

[@AndrewBeavers]

@@sujoyteslesl haha no problem & thanks for the sub very much appreciated..Best wishes from Yorkshire 👍

[@topgroover]

Nice video. Top man taking Mr Messner with you. Hope it helps him get his mojo back. Lovely part of the world Kinder. Privileged to live near by. Quality pics to. 👍👏

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@white_rose_alex]

Aww, lovely video and good to see what you take out with you on a summer camp. So lovely also to see Mr Messner looking so happy. If anyone was going to bring a smile back to his face it was going to be you Andy. x

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks alex yeah loving the summer set up & good to get paul smiling again & remembering why we actually do what we do tfw.

[@jwwardward1670]

Great content Andy,it was like watching a kid at Christmas opening his stocking, Seriously nice to see Paul with a smile on his face lucky to have you as a mate

[@AndrewBeavers]

cheers yeah good to get paul out & smiling again tfw.

[@philjones3335]

Was up at woolpacks Thursday night, took pennine way from edale then cut right up crowden clough following crowden brooke. Lovely walk, didn’t see a sole, steep mind but lovely waterfalls on way up, border collie loved it. Then this morning came back down jacobs ladder. Can’t beat Peak District for nice little one nighters👍👌🐾

[@AndrewBeavers]

lovely route up crowden brook phil the waterfalls & cascades are great up there..one of my favourite areas up on kinder tfw.

[@ianstewartoutdoors]

Well done Andy, Paul looked happy its good to have mates that understand

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@ianstewartoutdoors]

@@AndrewBeavers Bye the way what Camera were you and Paul using sir?

[@AndrewBeavers]

@@ianstewartoutdoors i use the canon m50 for most of my filming & paul uses a gopro 10 & his iphone 13 i thnk it is.

[@ianstewartoutdoors]

@@AndrewBeavers Thanks for that

[@nigelhorton1115]

Cheers Andy, another good un .... Nice to see a Vlogger who doesn't use a drone. Nice to see Paul out also 👍

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@cdesfusa]

Thanks for all you do Andrew, you're a straight up guy doing good stuff

[@Yorkshire_Dave]

Great to watch as usual 👍

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@thewanderingforester]

Very interesting to see your summer set up. I could do with carrying less weight as my 69yr old bones are starting to complain a bit more these days. Getting there slowly though. Looks like you and Mr Messner had a great trip out together. Lovely video once again. ATB Roger

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@juleneedmond8582]

The sunrise was stunning. Thank you.

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@SimonOutdoors]

Great video mate, enjoyed both your sides of the story. Enjoying your twitter stuff too. Cheers, Si

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@damienfitz77]

Cracking video as always. Good to see Paul smiling and enjoyed the kit load out

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@BurtReynoldstash]

Lovely mate. Great sunrise from your tarp

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@grahambarker8129]

epic mucker, glad to see paul back out as well 👍

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@theaccidentalhiker]

love a sunrise timelapse! doubt i will get those conditions on my trip up Kinder this weekend

[@johnhardwick213]

Lovely film Andy. Beautiful sunrise shots.

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@OutdoorIntrigue]

Great vid, great trip, great summer setup. Nice one Andy, good to see you two enjoying yourselves. Happy trails.

[@AndrewBeavers]

cheers pal & tfw.

[@andrewgreen7996]

Cracking video as all ways mate love your gear setup them views are just stunning love that area off kinder walked a few times love it 🤙👍👍👍

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@kerny2091]

Another great video Andy and I really like your set up.

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@paulpartridge2674]

Nice to see you both out enjoying the great outdoors, fresh air and stunning views good for the soul. Nice one Andy 👍

[@AndrewBeavers]

its all good & thats the reason we do it..its good to remember that too tfw.

[@DAoutdoors]

Wonderful video Andrew, thanks for sharing your adventure! 😀🥾⛰

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@biagiosadventures7204]

Another good video Andy. Liking your setup and you have given me some good ideas to look at changing some of my summer set-up. Also, lovely to see Paul smiling again!

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks yeah im enjoying using that set up at the moment & good to get paul smiling again tfw.

[@allye5949]

Thanks for another enjoyable video. The views are great but the sunrise was spectacular. Worth every step to get away from it all to see that I’m sure. Kit explanation was interesting - it’s amazing how much you can fit in a pack now days with all the equipment packing down so small. Good to see buddies enjoying themselves - amazing how time flies when you spend it with a friend.

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks yeah kit has come a long way in a very short time & always good to have a good old chat with friends tfw.

[@TonyHobbs]

Nice little video great shelter

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@whenigotothemountains1203]

Nice one Andy. Good to see the set up

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@TheOutdoorExplorerUK]

Great video mate it looks like you and Paul had a great time.

[@AndrewBeavers]

cheers mate ayy good to get paul out & enjoying it again tfw.

[@MhDizzy]

Cracking video Andy. Great to see you and Paul out and mate that sunrise was amazing, colours were fantastic. ATB Marti

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@DaveGoodman1959]

Top job 👍

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@northumberlandmountainhopper]

Great camp with good friends, Great spot with a bit of shelter and what a sunrise, it was fabulous, I am watching this in my tent wishing I was in the bivy,, tents are too enclosed, that MLD looks just the job, I must check it out for length, Keep em coming

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks yeah the sunrise was a bit special..the cricket is a fantastic shelter im 6'1" & i can lay out inside it with plenty room left tfw.

[@jeffstevens763]

Paul needed this Andy cracking mate just to see him smile speaks volumes for all how support you both cheers

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@WalksInCamera]

Cool video. The Cricket looks a great option as a shelter.

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@grahamscothern4319]

Love that Andy great vid. Love you going through your set up 👍. Great seeing Paul out with you. Looked a stunning spot. Atb Graham

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@tonyhare8961]

Grand Andrew, that sunrise sequence was one of the best I've seen, sound just sound.

[@AndrewBeavers]

was a beaut sunrise one of best ive seen tfw.

[@LMay64]

That sunrise!

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@Wildcamping101]

Great vid as always mate, set up looks cracking. Good to get balance between weight and comfort. Some great shots in there too mate. Nice seeing you and Paul out. 👍🏼 tfs

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks craig ayy thats about as light as im ever going to get kit wise..good to get paul out & smiling again tfw mate.

[@mickbaker9852]

Awesome !

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@hikermikem8]

😁 I was up on Kinder doing a birthday wildcamp edale Moor brilliant. Really good to see Paul with you enjoying himself and out again with a smile 👍 great video .. 😁

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@blackmountainadventures]

Brilliant vid Andy, nice to see the kit your using. Very similar to mine only difference is the shelter. Good on you dragging Paul out 👍🙏

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@ascot1049]

Lovely.

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@jamiem7649]

Love the cricket

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@gainesy_walks]

Good tip with the tape, I sacked my polycro off cos of the rustling, my give that a go, using a geertop groundsheet at the minute. Always interesting to see a setup. TFS David 👍

[@AndrewBeavers]

good way to peg it down david & theres no noise from it at all..tfw mate.

[@Steve72Outdoors]

Great video Andy . That sky was stunning. Can't believe how dry the cloughs are already. One of my favourite spots 😉🤫 never crossed from edale though. Certainly looks interesting and I think one for me and missus to check out 👍

[@AndrewBeavers]

yeah the cloughs & gills are bone dry at the moment worth remembering & taking fresh up if camping..the crossing can be quite hard to pick the path up if youre not familiar with the area but its worth exploring as its a nice quick way to reach the northern edge tfw.

[@andylittlebritain7680]

Loved this mate. I said to my wife that if anyone could put a smile back on Pauls face (apart from Jo) it would be you. I think you've probably made him see why he loves doing what you both do in a back to basics way rather than worrying about KZbin. Good on ya and look forward to the next one.

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks andy yeah good to get him out & remembering just why we do what we do in the first place for the enjoyment of it tfw.

[@roberts693]

Interesting video Andrew. Although I don’t wild camp, I found it interesting to see what gear you use. The conditions looked good too. I remember looking at that sunrise through my bedroom window! Some excellent Caspers, Andrew 👍 Take care. Robert

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks robert & tfw.

[@timmystauffer9094]

Haven't even watched yet but the thumbnail sunrise/set is stunning. I saw the IG story before that was stunning too.

[@timmystauffer9094]

The green is stunning soo.

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks timmy & tfw 😊

[@campsandcoffee5882]

Great spot. I was up there a couple of weeks ago. It was the same with no water. Glad i foresaw that and took plenty with me. Wish I knew there was a path across….. I literally trundled through.

[@AndrewBeavers]

it is a little difficult locating that path unless you know the area nice quick way to the northern edge though tfw.

[@steveg3981]

Good video Andy. You make a good double act with Paul. Not quite Laurel & Hardy but excellent none the less. Look forward to Paul's video of the trip, assuming he'll put one out. Many thanks!

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks steve yeah pauls vid will be out now..made me chuckle laurel & hardy lol tfw.

[@hellsscoutact5379]

Thanks for the video. I liked over night hikes when i lived in England. No snakes or bears. JMHO

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@michaelpenney3775]

Good to see you and Paul out again looked like a great camp but he getting slightlier lighter😕

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@ChrisJB]

Nice one mate.....good to see you getting Paul out too. I think my next trip over Kinder will be somewhere on the northern edge. I really fancy Fairbrook Naze but have heard of cars getting targeted at Birchen Clough car-park. Good to get an insight into your gear too. I think I'm a bit too soft for a tarp though 🙂. My Atom Pack is possibly my favourite bit of gear. I can't see myself ever using another brand of pack for wild-camping. ATB, Chris

[@AndrewBeavers]

im loving the atompack chris wish id have looked at them years ago..best bet is edale mate & walk over from that side its a nice walk from there.you could also cut across from top of crowden clough & theres a path cuts over to fairbrook naze from kinder gates area.tfw mate.

[@chriswildingo]

That Cricket looked solid in the wind.

[@AndrewBeavers]

it really does great in winds..30mph is most ive seen in it yet & it really holds strong tfw.

[@MrCElk]

Great video, lovely scenes what’s not to like. BTW a little bit of stepping up one pal to another doesn’t go unnoticed. I am certain Mr M would return the favour if necessity dictates.

[@AndrewBeavers]

just good to get paul back out & smiling again remembering why we actually do what we do it for tfw.

[@robertmulhern2129]

Looks like Paul has a new tent to show us

[@AndrewBeavers]

he has im sure he'll give an insight to it in upcoming video's tfw.

[@GoodBlokeOutdoors]

New subscriber after seeing you on Instagram and on Messners channel. 👍🏼👍🏼

[@AndrewBeavers]

thank you much appreciated tfw.

[@GoodBlokeOutdoors]

@@AndrewBeavers you’re welcome pal

[@jameshiggins.openworld]

good video

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@twiggyescapes]

Great video Andy, I've only just recently come across your channel.. Love your simple strait forward style. Will be an ongoing watcher on your trips. Looks like a nice spot. Did a camp on white edge last Sunday... Can recommend... Not a soul to be seen.

[@AndrewBeavers]

hi yeah white edge is a great place ive camped there several times..theres a small outcrop of rocks where i camped nice little spot..did you see the deer out over big moor tfw.

[@twiggyescapes]

@@AndrewBeavers I did. There was a lone mother and it young. Wasn't quick enough to get photo. Think it sounds like u camped same spot as me... White edge easy to get to only 15 mins from where I live

[@fellrunningguide]

Nice spot Andy 👍 Interesting stuff, not tried Polycro, I use Tyvek.Those little Speedster burners are great! Make the most of the tarp before the midges appear 😁

[@AndrewBeavers]

cheers dave ayy enjoying using the tarp ill make the most of it..the speedster stove is excellent & dont cost a fortune either..the polycro ground sheet is a great option & is so lightweight & small pack size tfw.

[@davidcann6021]

Good to see you both out :) 5kg... your kit must be made of helium!

[@AndrewBeavers]

theres some light gear in there for sure but for these ultralight weighters thats still heavy lol tfw.

[@itsmescottp]

Absolutely stunning pal 😆

[@kerrybeavers78]

Stunning 🤣

[@itsmescottp]

@@kerrybeavers78 😂

[@jwwardward1670]

@@kerrybeavers78 From all off Andys subys thank-you for your understanding For him to make the videos Ps have you a older sister

[@howardmcknight9773]

I am thinking of getting a Atompack, do you prefer it to your Osprey Andrew.

[@Wildcamping101]

Absolutely stunning that pal… need get me sen dan there for a camp.

[@marksheridan8444]

Great video. Nice to see Paul smiling :) I love your thumbnail pictures, What app do you used to edit them.

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks mark yeah i use canva to do my thumbnails tfw.

[@duncanmcmahon278]

Hi Andy thanks for another great video and it's good to see you out with Paul. You both should have your own T.V show. I've looked at the 3mm foam mat on Google etc but not sure which one. Where did you get yours please.

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks duncan ayy that'd be interesting wouldn't it lol..the 3mm mat is from outdoorgearessentials.co.uk/

[@duncanmcmahon278]

Brilliant thanks for replying

[@grelumbass]

Great trip and both yours and Paul's vlogs are great as usual Andrew. A wee gear question - does the silicon of the Sea to Summit collapsible mug retain old flavours? What I mean is if you have coffee one day and then orange juice the next will it still taste of coffee? Graham

[@AndrewBeavers]

hi graham in relation to the cup no it doesnt retain any flavours not that ive noticed any way tfw.

[@BorderRambler]

Nice one Andy , I do like the look of the cricket , especially the side set up like you had it . The pack looks a bomber mate , is yours the one with a rigid back insert ? Certainly worth getting up for that sunrise , it was glorious . Great stuff atb Dave

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks dave its a great shelter im really enjoying using it..the pack is the mo50 & has a stiffener insert which can be reshaped if needed although ive found the preset shape perfectly fine.tfw.

[@hangoutwithdeggers]

👍🏼💪🏼

[@Leeslost]

Brilliant video Andy 👌 Do you have a link to the little bag you use for your meals ??

[@AndrewBeavers]

the bag is from valley & peak its one of their insulated pouches.

[@paulwilkie1492]

Hi Andy, can you do a bit in a video covering detail yer brew / meal kit stove please ?

[@AndrewBeavers]

hi paul i may cover the stove set up in a vid sometime soon tfw.

[@chrisweldon2817]

If you're using an exped schnozzel bag for your kit you can adapt it to fit your thermarest. The flex lite pump comes with adapters and one fits the exped bag, I'd attach a photo but either I can't or I'm to daft 🤣

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks chris..the schnozzel bag is bang on for keeping spare clothes in as you can squeeze the air out & shape it to suit packing the pack..ill deffo be purchasing one of those little pumps as the pump sack that comes with it is a pain to clip onto the valve & takes forever to blow up tfw.

[@kinderkev]

cracking vid andy its nice too here what stuff other folk use and started off with . i have a very similer ethos to you in regards to pack weight .i want tobe comfortable on my wildcamps .ps i live 5 mins from rab and i have the same problem i dont need it i just want it lol its a bargain 😂😂 i would recommended the banshee or zytheros as a first time tent . 👍

[@AndrewBeavers]

hi kev long time you still getting out...yeah comfort always comes first for me the lightweight stuff is a second but a bonus if you can lighten some equipment up..my first real tent was a zephyros 2 & really enjoyed using that tfw mate.

[@kinderkev]

@@AndrewBeavers hi pal not been out for awhile just so busy at work at mo but hoping to get out poss around sept .when weather cools down

[@OAPAdventures]

Nice gear loadout. If I used the Cricket here in NZ, I would be eaten alive by mossies overnight! Ive subbed for more.

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks yeah there'll be times over here the midge will dictate using an inner they can be a nuisance even in the uk..thanks for the sub much appreciated tfw.

[@RYJAELL]

Can I ask what trousers you are sporting on this trip Andy? Love the setup by the way!

[@AndrewBeavers]

they're RAB mountain torque pants with matrix..great pair of lightweight trousers tfw.

[@smcqueen1985]

What trekking poles are you using here (and generally) and what weight do they add to the list in the description?

[@Olan...]

Great carry Andy, do have you some type of mesh inner for the cricket ??? I have been looking at these as a summer option but I am not a big fan of wearing a head net/the Bank Robber look.

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks olan yeah ive one of those 3f ul inners that fits both the cricket & duomid..its a J zip one ive done a few little mods as to where the attachments loops are & it now fits lovely tfw.

[@Olan...]

@@AndrewBeavers That sounds like a great partnership.....I can see myself getting one of these for sure thanks to your inspiration .....Before You Tube i was like Patrick Dickinson and had the same gear for years and these days i get way too over exicited about Outdoor gear in general but you only live once and i have reached an age where if i want it i buy it and lets face it most people spend 200 quid on a night out just to end up feeling rough and no good to man or beats and very little memory on where the money or the night went but convince themselves they had a good night .......The Mind Boggles :) Keep em coming , you provide fantastic content. Thanks very much.

[@markatchison9974]

Atompacks have sold out for ages now. They're missing out on some brass making. I'll be up in Keswick next week. I'll call in & see what the score is.

[@AndrewBeavers]

they've just recently moved premises so that'll be reason they've not had stock for a while..tfw.

[@shaunphillips6468]

Hi Andy, Is that the latest version of the Cricket? What colour? thanks

[@AndrewBeavers]

it is the latest version yes..the colour has changed slightly the old colour is od green but this has more of a brown tint to it..i prefer the colour tbh tfw.

[@alanrobinson2229]

Very nice I like the tarp,there must be cheaper versions tho?

[@AndrewBeavers]

there are a lot of different types of tarps on the market but with this one being a sort of tent shaped tarp its give a different option tfw.

[@alanrobinson2229]

@@AndrewBeavers Do you have to order from States?

[@AndrewBeavers]

@@alanrobinson2229 you do yeas unless you can drop on one selling in uk..if your'e on fb there is the official mld group on there & a mld owners group too.mld shelters often come up for sale on those groups.

[@lukedrive2869]

Great accent

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@alanrobinson2229]

DD hammocks tent/tarp is similar?(pyramid tent)

[@AndrewBeavers]

thanks & tfw 😊

[@philjones3335]

Looking at a bivvy to use in lanshan 2 pro due to condensation on down bag, so can you tell me what bivvy you used there and how do you get a quilt in it🤷‍♂️🤣

[@AndrewBeavers]

the bivvy is the alpkit kloke..the quilt just slides in as its a top entry bivvy tfw.

[@robertmulhern2129]

Helm2/Cloud Peak 2 or Zephros compact 2, I’m struggling, any advice gratefully accepted.

[@AndrewBeavers]

hi robert if i was going for one of those it'd be the helm 2 i do like the look of those & they're geodesic too so will have a good strong structure in high winds tfw.

[@robertmulhern2129]

@@AndrewBeavers I bought the Helm2, went to Outside at Hathersage yesterday, I’ll try a site first before I try the wild camping, appreciate your advice, love your’s and Paul’s videos, that’s what’s got me into it

[@dancew77]

'im not into this lightweight stuff' says he with all the ul gear 🙄😂😂. you must be a cold sleeper if you're using the taiga 360 in summer😳

[@AndrewBeavers]

believe it or not im not tbh..its just lightening a few things up for ease of use & packing..im certainly not ultra lightweight thats for sure..tfw.

[@dancew77]

@@AndrewBeavers that sounds like a good excuse for another purchase to me😆😉

[@Olan...]

Amy idea if MLD are out of business Andy because I can't even load up thier website and nobody is answering any numbers I found on Google.....I want to buy a Duomid thanks to yourself and some other You Tuber's.....it's costing me a fortune watching you lot and I have reached the point where it's going to be cheaper to have Therapy about my tent obsession rather than keep buying them 🤔🤔🤔

[@AndrewBeavers]

hi Olan ive no idea tbh mate ive a mate whos ordered a duomid recently so the site must be up & running..the therapy will probably be cheaper too lol tfw.

[@Olan...]

@@AndrewBeavers It was weird , i couldn't get hold of them for 3 days and the website wouldn't load up on my lap top or mobile BUT i actually bought one on eBay unused but still in the states and it cost 316 quid so i am happy with that. Just after i bought it i got emails off that Ron and the website works fine now but at least i get a tent quicker...Down side its Orange :) Thanks for the reply Andy.