King Eight engine family 237, 259, 282

[@49commander]

Jay, the valves are a two step process, on the underside you have to remove the tappets, the the spring keepers. On the top of the Head/Block there are brass plugs that screw into it, one contains a spark plug the other a primer cup, the valves sit under those plugs. You remove the plugs by unscrewing them, then pull the valves out from the top! A very labor intensive service which in those day was a very frequent service. This is why removable heads were such a breakthrough even though the early ones blew frequently! Depending on the design you may have to remove the cylinder casting from the crankcase! Lots of work!!!! At the 3:42 spot you can see the plugs on the top right cutaway of the photo.

[@What.its.like.]

Great information thank you so much fir sharing

[@don66hotrod94]

The livery stables in my town were mostly on or near the waterfront. I wonder how much horse manure ended up being dumped in the water just to get rid of it. Very interesting video.

[@bparksiii6171]

Thanks for finding more of the obscure cars and engines especially the unknown V8's my favorite engines.

[@What.its.like.]

I've made it my goal to cover all the V8 vertical 8 and 6 especially the early ones

[@61rampy65]

You are correct about the horse pollution! I think, but not entirely sure, that the NY Times proclaimed that "The arrival of the motorcar was the solution to the pollution problem". Probably around 1908 or so. Nobody was worried about smog back then.

[@What.its.like.]

Did you see the mountains of it in that one shot I wonder what they did with all of it

[@61rampy65]

@@What.its.like. Good question. Here is a wikipedia link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_horse_manure_crisis_of_1894 Not sure if this will go thru, YT doesn't like competition!

[@dave.shakawe]

@@What.its.like. They grew potatoes on Long Island.

[@Mercmad]

But not if you lived in London ,UK ,where the coal pollution was thick as mud for 200 years .

[@Cletrac305]

Great presentation! This seems like so long ago, but there is a woman alive today who could remember taking a ride in a new 1916 King when she was 8 years old.

[@jameshodgson3758]

In response to one of your earlier videos, I mentioned that I ran across a King touring car in a barn in about 1974. An interesting detail of that car was a centrally located speedometer on a pedestal on the floor. There was a large sprocket on the transmission output shaft coupled with a chain to a smaller sprocket at the base of the pedestal that drove the speedo.

[@michaelporter9354]

Earlier Apperson Jackrabbits were really cool cars. The King V-8, another good car lost to obscurity.

[@What.its.like.]

I've made it my goal to cover all the early V8s =) happy you dig this episode

[@automatedelectronics6062]

Looking at the pictures of the King V8's, I would say that the valves were serviced from the top. That is the purpose of the 8 screw-in plugs on top of each cylinder bank. With the integral cylinder block/head, how else could the valves be taken out and put back in or the seats ground? I'll bet that there were access plates on the inside of the V to adjust the valves. On Bentley 6's of the 20's(atleast), the entire valve and seat unscrewed from the top of the cylinder head. They even had an extra valve/seat assembly for each cylinder. As explained to me, should the engine have a valve problem while on the road, just like replacing spark plugs, you would unscrew a bad and good vale, swap them and be on your way. Oh yeh. Horses and their poop. In a parade or such, the horses would poop onto a piece of canvas attached behind the horse. If not, there would be a person with a sh*t shovel and trash can on wheels following the horses. The environmentalists are concerned with methane emissions from cattle and are trying to figure out a way to keep it from getting in the air. Speaking of clean energy, that would be electricity. Everybody knows that electricity comes from the wall socket. How could that pollute? Ask any Unitarian with their electric cars where electricity comes from. lol

[@Vegaswill714]

As a genuine motor-head. I have never before heard of a King motor car. Jay, I often learn from your videos. Thank you! One more comment. Look at photos form the 1900's, you will see ladies and men wearing thigh high boots. That was to deal with the great volume of horse poo everywhere. Also the boot scrapers at everyone's doorstep. I like the modern era better..

[@bobmarker6812]

My grandfather had a King 8. Until exploring the internet, I knew very little about this car other than what my grandfather told me.

[@timmcooper294]

Very cool, I hadn't ever seen pictures of this one. It does share some similarities with the first generation Cadillac 314. Also , in addition to Northway, Ferro did make a lot of L head engines , along with the beautiful overhead valve Scripps - Booth V8s. This was such an interesting time in the Auto industry with most cars looking fairly similar on the exterior, but lots of different ideas and innovation under the skin. Remember America's early hybrid, the Owen Magnetic !!

[@Mark_317]

I've worked on three engines where you had to do the valves from underneath, and I'll tell you it's like going to a proctologist for a tooth filling.

[@AsswipeGarage]

The Offenhouser that dominated the Indy 500 for 30 years was like that.

[@61rampy65]

You mentioned Byron Carter. Charles Kettering was a friend of Carter. Carter managed to break his arm while hand cranking one of his own cars, but died of complications. Kettering vowed to design an electric starter to alleviate that problem. Thus, in 1912, Cadillac was the first car with an electric starter. The self starter was the death knell for steam and electric cars (whose claims to fame were that you didn't have to worry about breaking your arm).

[@What.its.like.]

Awesome insight all of which I never knew

[@TalenGryphon]

Because of the hazards of crank starts I'm honestly surprised hand cranked *centrifugal* starters weren't more common. I know Fiat made a few freight trucks with them

[@61rampy65]

@@TalenGryphon There were attempts with compressed air, and wind-up springs, and even rope & pulleys. Back then, an electric motor strong enough to crank an engine was monstrous. Kettering decided to highly overload a small motor, since it only needed to crank the engine long enough to start. It worked best, and is still used today! It is also why you shouldn't crank the engine for more than15 seconds (because the motor overheats).

[@AsswipeGarage]

How the hell does someone die of a broken arm? 🤔

[@garymckee63]

So the engine was same cept different. Excellent work on research.

[@TA_Plus_Hemi]

I would say a horse is Browner not greener

[@TalenGryphon]

I'd have to go with the Scripps-Booth. That OHV Ferro engine is *Fascinating* and it's such a shame it didn't catch on

[@What.its.like.]

Totally agree the engine is a work of art I honestly wouldn't mined having one just to look at the casting is interesting

[@Burninhellscrootoob]

When i was younger and getting ready to enter the car world, i subscribed to cars n parts magazine, they had an article on the King automobile company, and i hand drew the illustration in the magazine for my art class.... It wound up on display in our local library exhibit of local students art.

[@ronnieroberts9478]

Thanks for the video

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you so much for watching =)

[@ronnieroberts9478]

Always a good video from you thank you

[@winstonelston5743]

Another well-researched and fascinating video. WYR: Yes, please.

[@uwusmolbean]

The polite term was "dash" 🐎💩 for stuff thrown off hoofs hence dash-board on a carriage (or so ive heard 🤔)

[@dennislettich4035]

"Precious and Few" by Climax???

[@What.its.like.]

Damn it, your goooooddd lol =)

[@61rampy65]

Hmm. I made a 3rd comment, but it isn't here. Anyway, cool vid about a really cool engine! WYR= any of those beauties, but the Wills St. Clair would be my first choice. NTT= long shot here, but Moody Blues, Nights in White Satin? I laughed at your Cartman impression, too.

[@What.its.like.]

Great guess Dennis got it precious and few climax ( In a sarcastic tone ) Hey hey hey I saw your other comments, and answered most of them =D

[@61rampy65]

@@What.its.like. Damn, and I like that song, too!

[@ragtopdeluxezl1]

WYR: The Will Sainte.Claire... The Scripps Booth looks like Lurch should be driving it...

[@scottymoondogjakubin4766]

That was high tech back in the day ! At least they designed it to be simple ! Unlike most vehicles today ! 👍

[@JefferyHall-ct2tr]

Hi Jay! Another fascinating early V-8! So interesting! Amazing that King dropped his 4 after the V-8 came out! Ford actually kept their 4 for about a year after the Flathead debuted. Chevy sure didn't drop the 6 after the 265 came out!! WYR. Apperson and Wills Sainte Claire

[@What.its.like.]

Sweet choices =) I wish I could find where the king v8 came from =) so many cool lost and forgotten engines

[@Steve-iw8yz]

Ford kept the model a 4 cylinder for another 40 or so years it was used in cars for many years then in tractors till 70s

[@JefferyHall-ct2tr]

@@Steve-iw8yz Thanks for the reminder! And we had a Ford 8n tractor on the farm.where I grew up!

[@logicthought24]

The amount of farmland and labor devoted to the production of fodder for the horses was substantial. The internal combustion engine freed that land to produce food for humans and gave farmers more acreage to produce cash crops.

[@brandonobaza8610]

1:23 Remember kids, never feed your horse "Daily Products" 😁

[@coreyellisart6877]

I have three horses and I am blown away by the amount of horseshit that's always left behind every week I fill up a 96 gallon trash can per horse I had to make a arm that goes in the receiver of my Jeep so I can load up all three cans and pull them up to the front of the property each can is at least 400 lb I hate horses but got to make the wife happy

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you for sharing that insight =) horses are definitely an expensive hobby People don't look at the horse as a pollution source.. and we've used the horse since the beginning of time

[@junkmangeorge6363]

Chevrolet's first V-8 engine was released in 1917, but it was only used for two years.

[@What.its.like.]

Yes and looks similar to the ferro v8

[@ThomasWBaldwin]

Scrips/Booth and Cole Arrow 8.

[@What.its.like.]

Sweet choices

[@rossbryan6102]

THE INVENTOR OF THE ENCLOSED OIL PAN WITH THE CIRCULATING OIL PUMP, AND DRILLED OIL PASSAGES WAS LOUIS SEMPLE CLARKE! HE WAS THE FOUNDER OF THE PRESENT AUTOCAR TRUCK COMPANY, FOUNDED IN 1897! THE AUTOCAR CORPORATION IS THE OLDEST SURVIVING AUTOMOTIVE BRAND IN THE USA!

[@JamesAllmond]

Horses also spew a large amount of CO2 and Methane...a lot... 1920 Apperson 1921 Wills St Claire

[@What.its.like.]

Excellent point Sweet choices

[@BeauQuillen]

I think Rick James would drive a pink Scrips Booth Jay.

[@What.its.like.]

Hahaha

[@2StrokeDriptroit]

Did it have a flat-plane crankshaft or a square-plane? If flat plane it sounds like a crappy 4 cylinder, only the square plane/cross plane sounded like a real V8. I will wager it is flat-plane?

[@What.its.like.]

Not sure, that information wasn't provided, nothing in the text that I found listed the type of crankshaft used

[@ThomasWBaldwin]

[@dondesnoo1771]

W st Clair I was always a Cadillac conv man. elvis would never have had a 4 door car 😊as the joke went 🎉

[@timothykeith1367]

Horse ownership increased after the railroad era because horses were needed for the last five miles. With railroads, a consumer society began to develop and now more Americans could afford a horse.

[@nevco8774]

Very sad story of the King Motor Car company...

[@jamest.5001]

🐎🍏Oh poo 💩🖐️😤🐎

[@paulbriggs3072]

You did not have to be rich to own a horse. They ate grass and hay. They are cheap except in the winter but you can feed them hay you baled with some grain to supplement.. Their harnesses and carriage were a bit pricey but way less than a car. Having said that, I'll consider the 1920 Apperson 820 as it is handsome.

[@AJ-qn6gd]

You only need to fuel a car when you use it, you need to fuel a horse every day !

[@jamest.5001]

8:12 , #1 & #3,

[@What.its.like.]

Sweet choices

[@wolfwind9658]

They wrote about horses then like they do cars today.

[@What.its.like.]

That was exactly the point I was trying to make, I was trying to make two points really and I guess I hidden third point, that we used horses since day one how much of the pollution that they talk about is actually came from cars when the horse is drastically more pollutant than an automobile and the horse has been here before we were..

[@nevco8774]

The Cole automobile has its own produced V8. It was known for quality. I would choose Cole. But I will never choose a class divided car like Scripps-Booth. Apperson would be the second choice, has original V8. Wills Sainte Claire is an oddball choice since the company owner was known to stop production to introduce innovations. As such each car is unique. I'm not a fan of its styling. Sorry, King's models look way too drab to be, made of plywood.