Kinnan vs Tatyova vs Gitrog vs Tymna/Tana | CEDH Gameplay

[@derrickderksen3924]

"He takes no actions and passes his turn, to go scream into a pillow" - Absolute gold.

[@pipemax3269]

Why isn't there a "cards-in-hand" meter? It was great for keeping track of whats happening

[@TheTunaSaladin]

In all honesty it’s probably just really tedious editing that ate up too much time and messed with consistent uploads.

[@Magnivore519]

It took a lot of time at all levels of the gameplay process so it was cut. We're unsure if we'll bring it back. ~Adam, PwP

[@re1fu]

@@Magnivore519 understandable.., u could try some non conventional ways, like large d20 dice, so that you wouldn't even have to edit it., just put another step during endstep that reminds players to update cards in hand count., in that game, with all the draws, i think thats pretty important for us to see in a cedh? ;) but no pressure., great content anyways :)

[@Cloud9likeaboss]

@@re1fu y Actully counting the draws yourself takes way less effort than a team constantly verifying hand count. Especially when playing via cameras or webcams. I put my hand down when it's not my turn, fanned out a bit so people can see and don't need to ask me.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Mike wins the "guess what's my pocket" guessing game... Gollum: "WHAT HAS HE GOT IN HIS POCKETSESSSS!?"

[@smilesthomas44]

HANDSES!

[@one_bad_mofo8658]

String! Or Nothing! *Mike*: Two guesses at ooonnnnnce! Wrong both times!

[@elipetrou9308]

BAGGINSES

[@jamesmayle3787]

Jesus Christ is lord. Please read at least three books of the Bible. The first book of each testament and one you chose yourself. As you do practice forgiveness. It is important. Please.

[@skyegreytv]

"And Folger draws a card" the game.

[@justingolden21]

I love the combo of playing additional lands and lands from grave with fetch lands. I have a (non-cedh, obviously) omnath rage deck, and I've even tooth and nailed for azusa + runamap excavator

[@gravecrawler1629]

That Oko man..gah it's just infuriating at all levels, haha.

[@Evinthal84]

Oh man, the second I saw Oko when he was first spoiled I literally said to my friends "well that is getting banned in Standard at least". They didn't believe me until it happened, just like they didn't believe me when I said Nissa, Shaker of Worlds was going to be really strong...

[@jacobbradley7946]

As a gitrog player this game broke my heart.

[@kindalllowder3595]

Honestly, I feel like Ryan should have tutored up Ad Naus with that Diabolic Intent. Ad Naus would have probably gotten him what he needed to replay the frog and a discard outlet.

[@turnipton9871]

That Force of Vigor was a weird choice. Using it at the earliest possible opportunity to blow up Crucible, but not actually hitting Crucible? In the lands deck? With several payoffs on board? Hmmm.

[@ZeraLord]

Meh, that wasn't the issue. The issue was the table let Folger draw 20 cards, or something like that. Can't wait for the new anti Remora tech coming out.

[@Savage_Mr_Bean14]

@@ZeraLord the remora was a good target but mana crypt was probably less so, given everyone already had plenty of mana. Crucible with tatyova and azusa resulted in additional card draw and deck thinning via fetch lands from graveyard. If the goal of the force of vigor was to reduce opponents' card advantage, crucible wouldve been a better target than mana crypt.

[@viniekoza]

What a game my friends! Remora and Nezahal and so many land drops all over the table was crazy! So much fun to watch, thank you guys for the video!

[@joebutcher7456]

The mix of confusion and mild distaste when announcing Folger's deck was perfect...

[@thepastamericadream]

They could have killed Folger at the end if the other players could have casted 2 instants once he drew his deck. Nezahal is a forced draw :)

[@zomgreally7]

He could just respond with the nexus of fate each time. It's an instant

[@thepastamericadream]

@@zomgreally7 but while nexus is on the stack it is not in the deck. Anyone could cast a non creature spell and force him to draw.

[@signisakanades1329]

They could have done it with 1, if they did it while Nexus of Fate was on the stack.

[@thepastamericadream]

@@signisakanades1329 correct

[@maxc7081]

He had infinite mana and access to pretty much all his counterspells. He could just counter his own nexus of fate. Draw nexus of fate, and then cast it again.

[@danielrigano8148]

Any game with Kinnan in it is a win in my book. It doesn't matter how much hate it gets, I will always have a love for it. It's just so gas!

[@GamerdevilPro]

Kinnan is so insane, it's pretty hard to shut down because literally fucking everything makes a ton of mana and with every dork you kill there are 2 new dorks that pop up :D

[@TheLastHybrid]

Great match! As an Gitrog player myself, I feel bad for Ryan!

[@lagl3ss690]

Honestly the thing I am the most excited about from a new playing with power MTG video is how they decide who goes first lol!

[@travboi4286]

There turn one plays are more expensive than my commander deck

[@chocolateking1143]

OKo is so good in CEDH. He just keeps turning all their game winning pieces into Elks haha.

[@Dracomandriuthus]

Oko is extremely good in literally every format. That's why he got banned in every format that wasn't vintage

[@Dev-fe7fk]

@@Dracomandriuthus he’s legal in commander, isn’t he?

[@raymontalbert8290]

@@Dev-fe7fk yes

[@reeseirwin4833]

Nice, long game! Great to see the decks.

[@tophergenie688]

damn Folger drew so many cards that game that fish and dino was a value engine

[@MekanikKommandoh88]

That was an awesome game. Oko stays killing hopes and dreams no matter the format LOL.

[@ozanbingol2320]

“You’re bound to be Elk’ed into oblivion”

[@Floodle9358]

I love seeing Tatyovia getting played it’s a personal favorite of mine

[@any5334]

Is it weird to talk about yourself in the third person Ryan?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Ryan is pretty used to it by now 😉

[@childeroland8507]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Lol. I am a Gitrog player myself and love seeing the deck. Glad to see yall are keeping up the content.

[@magicpaul2926]

This video should be titled Well-fed fish"

[@vgarethlebleu4344]

What happened to "Don't feed the fish"? Folger won this game from the raw card advantage every turn remora was in play. Just had all the answers. I'm surprised there wasn't a count for cards drawn at the end credits haha.

[@mella4376]

Damn that's a well fed fish

[@joaocisne556]

next april fool, what about a silver border CEDH?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

We have quite the interesting game in mind for our next April Fools :)

[@joaocisne556]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG okay, good luck on it

[@cheesecake2449]

Is infinity elemental + chandra’s ignition a viable cEdh strategy

[@olafthemoose9413]

@@cheesecake2449 not really

[@Speetlebeetle]

Finally my Frog is back!!!!!!!! Edit: There was no frog in this game, my hopes have been dashed and I feel betrayed.

[@bradenskaggs5350]

Did you enjoy seeing Ryan's Elk Tribal deck?

[@elipetrou9308]

Elk storm looks so cool!

[@bradenskaggs5350]

Man Ryan, I love your Elk Tribal deck. Can we get a decktech soon?

[@SmugLookingBarrel]

Another fantastic game from you guys

[@user-ym9wk5iz6m]

Nexus of Fate is a spicy include for Kinnan. Don't think anyone was ready for it.

[@darkdragonXD1]

Resume: He plays flooded strand, getting a zombie , a card and a life... Sacs flooded for and Island getting a zombie, a card and a life...

[@chihshiangshee9002]

Really enjoyable game to watch. Well done guys.

[@davidmcclellan8031]

Was it a "sol ring" in your pocket ;)

[@StackedEDH]

Excellent game!

[@magicavocado9204]

This is very minor, but at 11:40, Grafdigger's Cage should prevent Reality Shift from manifesting the top card.

[@agrape2887]

Kinnan is the only commander I play in simic, love the card and the art

[@jamesmayle3787]

Jesus Christ is lord. Please read at least three books of the Bible. The first book of each testament and one you chose yourself. As you do practice forgiveness. It is important. Please.

[@PraiseGodandJesus528]

​@@jamesmayle3787FACTS!! God Bless!

[@seliphsnom2596]

That was such a great game i had a feeling that either Folger or Zack were gonna win i loved the tatyova deck it just seems like so much fun

[@isaacsoong1621]

Once again, Oko the Broko strikes again

[@MrUTPlayer]

Hey guys, awesome content like everytime! Thank for the video! I'm specially proud of seeing Kinnan win, because I chose him to become my first cEdh commander! But in my decklist Traininggrounds do not appear. I chose Concordant Crossroads for that, because my Mana dorks can start hasty and this Deck doesn't really need a costreduction while the goal is infinite mana. What do you think about my thoughts? Greets from Germany (sorry for the bad english)

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

We think that while concordant crossroads is synergistic, it affects all creatures, (even opponents creatures) and therefore we don't really like it as an inclusion.

[@MrUTPlayer]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG thanks for the answer! You probably right! I think I care a little bit to much about my own board and a little bit to less about others :D keep going with your content, really enjoy all of it!

[@kingginger3335]

You should do a Volrath control/infect deck. Very powerful!

[@flameberga]

I would open a bit different than folger dropping remora on turn 2 together with kinnan and the elf after a turn 1 bird, would’ve net more cards while there’s no rush to seedborn/more mana since cant activate kinnan anyways. Thoughts?

[@dimitriosdoulgeris4659]

Poor Ryan... Oko is such a.... great card.

[@DUxMORTEM]

Zack had the best dark confidant draws i have ever seen. Almost always lands so he takes no damage and lands allow him to draw more cards due to his commander.

[@Crazymachin3gun]

For the booster box game can it be normal gameplay footage with seprate audio feeds as back up if someone is laggy

[@felixbarbosa3574]

I liked the part where he cracked flooded strand for an island.

[@gagemasta1]

13:16 shouldn't storm cauldron be bouncing all lands back to their owners' hands, not just one per spell?

[@Isolanporzellator]

Was confused too, but after rewatching it all the lands were tapped for Nexus before Cauldron resolved and all the other spells until Bane of Progress were cast with Mana from dorks or artifacts. Only one land was actually tapped and it was properly bounced by the effect.

[@Olson34]

Hey playing with power. I was taking a look at the lists for the video and I'm confused that Folger won the game with a nexus of fate. But looking at the list the card is not there. Are the lists old or updated?

[@Eiyaa90]

Was literally just talking to my locals about this game and everyone agrees.. .elks

[@Gotenik2]

Am i missing something why does the cage screw folger? Kinnan’s second ability puts a non human into play not casts the creature which gets around the cage right?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

The first part of cage reads: "Creature cards in graveyards and libraries can’t enter the battlefield."

[@JonathanHecht]

are you guys at the channel exited to try out the new partners? personally im very exited to brew with Armix, Filigree Thrasher

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Definitely! We are super excited to see what the community comes up with!

[@stfinalwrath]

Ahh taking infinite extra turns... My saheeli has like 4-5 ways of setting that up... Lol...

[@A-Tox34Bleh]

Did Ryan really scream into a pillow lol

[@DeGeck]

I would have, he got elked twice

[@peterps8207]

That oko is nasty

[@Kozi15]

Oko is impressive in this game!

[@radspiderjackson]

i DONT understand where the infinte green mana is coming from, i see the blue but wheres the green?

[@radspiderjackson]

nevermind, thank you for the realization that i can just float a bunch of blue with it being infinite, then use that blue to float a bunch of green with just my one enchanted incubation druid. the deck is seriously goofy

[@BuleGamer96]

Lol, oko the broko, and nice game.

[@ThatGuy.3349]

The fact that oko stayed around for so long baffles me.

[@adamgrotto8163]

As a Kinnan player myself, I can simply say without any spoilers... Yep... that's how it goes.

[@smegmalasagna]

Nezehal and Mystic Remora, both fish and carddraw buddies.

[@Goopdog]

Folger gang. Let's gooo

[@jt3090]

Mike! What is the link for your altered cards, please and thank you!?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Sadrobotalters.com 😃

[@jt3090]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Awesome! Thanks! I appreciate the content you guys create! Keep up the great work!

[@ChefPharmD]

What I wouldn't give to see Folger pilot Tatyova :O

[@angelagrace8499]

I'm sorry, Kinnan's WHAT? XD

[@Nicc11221]

Apparently you can't manifest from the top with Cage in play. Also; NO ONE had a non creature spell on the last turn in response to Nexus? Blue Dino forces a draw...

[@TheeMaxZee]

Wait, but deafening silence was a thing?? How did Ryan put out all that stuff on turn 2?

[@copperfield42]

13:09 what happens with the effect of Storm Cauldron? why they don't apply it? at the end of it Folder should be without lands

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

It was destroyed with bane of progress.

[@copperfield42]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG yeah, but before that

[@jackfrager2542]

Two simic decks? I cant wait to see how it goes

[@magicthe7]

what happened to the gaeas cradle in Mike's opening hand?

[@willzang3000]

i wonder why kinnan didnt axtivate at the end steps with hte seedborn muse out ?? why is that ???

[@adamleach481]

yay!!! i love you guys

[@ay0and0jay]

Yay Folger!

[@hawkicelol]

folgers a beast

[@brennennichols7573]

Moneys on simic decks before i eve get started...i went with tat.....sad face lol lmfao ryan looks at his 3/3 elk....passes turn...and leaves to scream into a pillow.... man why didnt the guilded drake go for oko instead the player...that elk ability was cancer!!! thanks for the great game guys!!!!

[@ruaridhusher4373]

I get it's difficult to keep track of so I'm not mad or anything, but you really do notice when the hand-size tracker is gone :(

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

It added too much to our logistics, so we had to remove it if we were to keep bringing the gameplay consistently.

[@terminator0265]

Awesome game 👌

[@poly2081]

Will you do 1v1 or 2v2 edh at some point in the future?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

We did a two headed giant Cedh game in the past and it didn’t seem to fare very well, so I don’t think we will be doing that again.

[@connorosborn7187]

Can anyone explain the tatyova deck to me? What are the win cons?

[@koreyg8552]

Why did folger play seedborn muse knowing there’s an oko on the board?

[@miscellaneousgoblin910]

How did Mike cast Mana Crypt and Tymna in the same turn with deafening silence?? (3:35)

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Deafening Silence says 'noncreature.'

[@miscellaneousgoblin910]

Ah, my bad. I haven't played cEDH in a while. (:

[@elkboy888]

Hard to see but at 8:00 did Zack miss a Field of the Dead trigger?

[@signisakanades1329]

Nope, 2 islands. Needs 7 differently named lands.

[@elkboy888]

@@signisakanades1329 Oh it's the enchantment on the snow covered island that I'm mistaking for another land. My bad

[@cristiamz]

How does the tatyova deck win? The main combo or line to win?

[@bradenskaggs5350]

Tatyova decks tend to thin the deck and win through extra turn loops like Nexus

[@bruce5476]

I don't understand why the three opponents don't kill Oko, off the bat. Can can some one explain why Folger would play Seedborn after seeing Oko in play and not having a way to kill Oka? That doesn't seem like a good play to me knowing that Oka will turn it into a Elk.

[@nickholdway2612]

Anyone got the deck list for the kinnan deck it's not the same as he uses in the video.

[@bgeda]

really great game guys, awesome back and forth and it seemed everyone managed to play out a decent game sans gitfrog

[@madeofmandrake1748]

I reflexively went "urgghh" under my breath seeing dakmoor salvage in the Gitrog players opening hand. I've seen that combo one too many times, I guess.

[@KoiPondDreams]

Frog 🐸!

[@True_Ronin]

Why not block the guilded drake with a zombie and keep Oko?

[@True_Ronin]

@@sadrobot5501 duh. I’m feeling pretty dumb right now. Thanks!

[@jfb-]

Couldn't Folger have won much earlier with the Pemmin's Aura? All his mana dorks tap for more than 1 with Kinnan, and he had the Thrasios as an infinite mana outlet.

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

He had infinite mana, but nothing to do with it. Grafdigger's Cage was keeping him from activating Kinnan to win.

[@jfb-]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG I see, the thing I missed was that Thrasios was an elk.

[@jimmykeffer7401]

Not gonna lie I really miss the cards in hand meter 😭 not like I’m gonna stop watching religiously though lol

[@miekamariehodson1731]

It too much editing time

[@taylormilleman7337]

Wasn't storm cauldron severely misplayed by folger

[@taylormilleman7337]

When a land is tapped for mana, you return that land to your hand. I.e. he returned almost all of his land to his hand

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

He used mana from his rocks and dorks to play Nexus of Fate. He then played Bane of Progress, destroying Storm Cauldron.

[@monkeynation9841]

At 6:40 how did Ryan cast assassins trophy on the blood moon if all his lands were mountains due to the blood moon...

[@C00kiesAplenty]

He floated the mana in response to blood moon. It isn't said in the video though.

[@aidanh8628]

... ... Tayova, Benthic Druid

[@blakemcconnell6213]

He missed his first field of the dead trigger

[@justinho5489]

Why wasn't the kinnan player using kinnans ability at all with seedborn out?

[@hambone5999]

Remember to VOTE!!

[@thebigbadpinkman]

So I guess kinnan passed up on two activations for what reason?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Grafdigger's Cage.

[@trashbat999]

yup that’s an oko

[@Egof12]

oko is insane lol

[@wafflesporq]

Start of video: I will NEVER cheer for kinnan, I hate that guy *a game where a player abused field of the dead all game later* Me: YEAH, KINAN ALL DAY, I LOVE THAT GUY, STOMP THAT FIELD OF THE DEAD OFF THE MAP

[@jasperowens1669]

Jesus christ that oko lived far too long

[@lostgenius]

Poor Gitrog :(