How To Tie A Tie 👔 - Old Bertie Knot | Kirby Allison

[@dubinmarks1]

I am so happy to know the name of this knot, a few years ago I mis-tied the 1/2 Windsor and liked it so much I have been using it regularly ever since. Now I know what to call it

[@simonross77]

See my comment above lol

[@chefcoreyc]

Kirby, it turns out that I have been using this knot since culinary school in 2003 and never knew what it was called. Thanks for all of your guidance with menswear; you have helped me a great deal!

[@iswish_41]

I loved the knot but there is no way that a person over 5'10" can have the ends of the tie be the same length. You have to be like 5'7" or less to have it like that. I'm 6'3" and If I try to pull that the tie end up in the middle of my shirt.

[@alexanderlavoie5461]

I'm 6'1" and have the same issue. Sometimes the small end won't reach the keeper.

[@kirbyallison]

Thanks for watching! Let me know, what is your favorite tie knot?

[@mohammadhasan1374]

Four in hand and double four in hand, simple and classy

[@thetextpistols7354]

I really only use 3 knots with any regularity. The Bertie for asymmetrical & the Pratt for a more symmetrical knot and the 4 in hand. An occasional half Windsor but really the 3 I mentioned above. In that order, too.

[@zachanderson303]

For thicker ties I like the four in hand but for thinner ties I like the Kelvin and half Windsor.

[@icedcoldkilla]

Half windsor knot

[@liamblake937]

Four in hand

[@douglasspencer745]

I've been using this knot for years, looks great and always stands out in a crowd of badly tied ties 🙄😂

[@thomasdemoet]

I've just been giving this knot a try and I am surprised with the positive results. Even with some more textured ties the knot doesn't become bulky. I will definitely incorporate this knot in my warderobe. Thank you for this great tutorial.

[@kirbyallison]

It's one of my favorites! Easy to tie and I love the shape !

[@BjE1173]

Isn't this knot called the half windsor?

[@fit4xlife]

This is one of the Half-Windsor versions - the third version of the Half-Windsor by Fink and Mao, tie knot # 9. Patrick Novotny is calling this version Zanon tie knot.

[@ameeral-shammaa9012]

After making the first knot, you should turn the wide end to the left around the back going to the right. You did it in the opposite direction which makes it mixture or half Windsor and old Bertie. The problem is when you want to untie it it will be knotted and you need to unknot it and that damaged the fabric of the tie. The other problem with it is you need to switch hands when you rotate the wide end while you can avoid this by doing what I mentioned above. Check out Sartorial Talks and his technique to do the old Bertie knot which is exactly what I described. I’m always a big fan and I always shop from your online store and you deeply influenced by everything I watch on your channel. Best of luck Kirby.

[@blacknbluechannel8812]

I'm watching Satorial Talks as I read your comment, will try it next time cause Old Bertie knot is awesome and I have been using Kirby's way and it is true that when I untie it I have a knot still to manual untie

[@butterscotchtoast3712]

Isn’t this just a half windsor?

[@fit4xlife]

This is one of the Half-Windsor versions - the third version of the Half-Windsor by Fink and Mao, tie knot # 9. Patric Novatny is calling this version Zanon tie knot.

[@maxwellkrem2779]

This is how I learned to tie a tie. I (and other here) erroneously thought it was a half Windsor; thanks for teaching us the right name!

[@alandry9497]

A tie dimple is absolutely essential for a gentleman.

[@kirbyallison]

A Landry Couldn’t agree more! One of those small, subtle details that really make the difference.

[@astrangerwhostaysforawhile987]

You know that the person know his tie really well when there's a dimple on their tieknot

[@lionfromjam7282]

Damn right!

[@rastrats]

Love that accent when you talk. You are obviously not Cockney (from London)! Tying a neck tie is like conducting a symphony orchestra - everyone has their own nuances in how they do it.

[@dantheman4861]

Wtf is sovereign grade? U say this all the time but don’t explain it

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[@raymondsampier864]

I have seen quite a few of your videos. I am a basic working man, but I have some shirts and ties. I thank you for your educational videos and I am still learning.

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[@hepgeoff]

Thanks for this! The old Bertie knot you show here looks the same as what we called the half Windsor knot.

[@robertopics]

I was about to mention that until I read your comment.

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[@MoDonJon]

I was in high-end menswear design for nearly 20 years and have never heard the half-Windsor knot called an Old Bertie. Any references on this name?

[@BjE1173]

It is called a half windsor. I've never met anyone call this knot a "half Bertie". So would a full windsor knot be called a "full Bertie"?

[@simonross77]

I have started using this style over past few months. Didn't know the name of it. I would describe it as a cross between a half Windsor and a four in the hand. Looks great.

[@semirsellek9758]

You are left hander so you're more confusing than explaining. 😁 Just kidding. Nice video. 👍

[@oldwest517]

It looks like I've been tying an Old Bertie for more than 35 years and didn't even know it had a name--it was just something a college friend showed me when I expressed discontent at the severe asymmetry of the four-in-hand my father had taught me. But I think I more often swing it to the left rather than to the right after the initial pass, feeling it makes a more symmetrical knot while still keeping the knot small. I also like your technique for creating a dimple. I'd have to study in front of a mirror exactly what I do to create a good dimple that lasts (again, after more than 35 years, my hands are just on automatic pilot and I don't really think about any of it much), but there is an elegant simplicity to your technique than any classically-dressed man can appreciate.

[@kirbyallison]

oldwest517 Thank you! The dimple trick really works. Secret is to pull the back blade down while pulling the front blade. You have to put some pressure on it.

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[@morgoselgomos2472]

Thanks for your nice video...I really like this kind of knot..

[@sitbone3]

I’ve watched a hundred of these “ how to tie a tie” videos and what is never mentioned is that you must use an extra long tie. Most men’s ties are 58”, (147.32cm), and the small blade will only come to the middle of your chest or top of your stomach after the tie is tied. If you use an “extra long”tie, 62” or 63”, (157.48cm), the blades will be even after tying the knot. This is especially important if you are a tall man.

[@kirbyallison]

Well, this really depends more on the type of knot and how high waisted your trousers are.

[@sitbone3]

@@kirbyallison ...No. It has to due with how long the tie is. I’m 5’10”, and the only knots I use are the four n hand and the half Windsor. I’m not creating large knots that take up a lot of the ties length. All of my 58”, standard length, ties have a small blade that is much shorter than the large blade after tying those knots. With my extra long ties (62”), the blades are even. It has nothing to due with the rise of the pants. Sheesh.

[@jebbush2527]

@@sitbone3 you’re wrong though. High rise trousers require a shorter tie and play a huge role. I’m 6’1, and with my high waisted trousers, average tie length works fine (slightly longer than average for me is ideal with high waisted; around 59-60”, but 58” is close. 62”+ is definitely too long). Knot choice also does matter.

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[@007EnglishAcademy]

When I attended the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst (like Westpoint but with class) a fellow officer cadet asked if it was ok to use a Windsor knot - the indignant instructor replied that a Windsor knot may have been good enough for abdicated kings circa 1936 but it was in no way good enough for an officer in the modern British army.

[@Loribyn]

Ah, so you were the spare? Poor dear. ;)

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[@ahmikjones]

Thank you for this. Not only did the knot work out as the perfect size for my tab collar shirt, for the first time I had a perfect dimple. I have tried lots of other methods to get a simple, but it was always hit or miss.

[@PatsyFountain]

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[@CBellization]

Great video. I have a number of crucial interviews coming up for school and I’ll certainly be using this knot for my ties. When pulling on the wider end to make the dimple, is the other hand just holding onto the thinner end, or is it also pulling down? I watched the video a few times (only the first half, though) and couldn’t find a solid explanation. Thanks!

[@Jar0fMay0]

Good luck. It helped me stand out. It turned out I was the only one wearing a tie during the interview.

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[@TheTheDongiorgio]

Great video...try not to say "omina"...rather, "I am going to". Other than that, great video.

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[@oldwest517]

One other comment. It is so nice to see someone do the common-sense thing of not buttoning the top button until after the collar is flipped down--a rarity among KZbin instructional videos. I personally place the tie around my neck, then flip the collar down right away while everything is nice and loose, then tie the knot, and then button the top button and snug up the knot. Flipping the collar down only after the top button is buttoned is very uncomfortable (I think it is this discomfot--as well as stiff, cheap ties--that makes many men think that ties are uncomfortable, when they aren't. It also requires manhandling, abusing, and even wrinkling a nicely ironed collar. Flipping the collar down prior to buttoning is much gentler on the collar.

[@herbertloscher514]

To wear a tie is uncomfortable.

[@oldwest517]

@@herbertloscher514 Nonsense. I wear one every day, and it is very comfortable. A nice soft cotton shirt with a high-quality silk or wool tie are very comfortable. What I've never understood is how people think that T-shirts are comfortable.

[@herbertloscher514]

@@oldwest517 I've tried many different shirt collars. But i've never found one that is comfortable.

[@herbertloscher514]

@@oldwest517 It's clear: When you like closed shirtcollars and ties, you don't like T-Shirts.

[@tuncaybey8763]

Similar to oriental knot but harder than that, so why should i pick this knot?

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[@dougiemonday]

How is this different that a half Windsor?

[@fit4xlife]

This is one of the Half-Windsor versions - the third version of the Half-Windsor by Fink and Mao, tie knot # 9. Patrick Novotny is calling this version Zanon tie knot.

[@jebbush2527]

You go through the V first then wrap around the small blade whereas with a half Windsor you wrap around the back first then go through the v

[@georgevancese5584]

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[@saxman7131]

I’m very tall. I suppose I need to buy tall ties.

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[@waltersickinger1499]

This is a half Windsor also known as a Prince Albert knot. Don’t know where the term Old Bertie came from.

[@t3h8ar0n]

No, it isn't a "half Windsor"... and it is rather obvious it isn't because the Old Bertie crosses and then immediately goes up through the back of the V (back to front motion), while the half Windsor immediately crosses and wraps around before going DOWN through the V (front to back).

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[@deejuicemailbox]

This is a simple half-Windsor knot!

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[@excalibur1812]

Thank you for all of the help. I now have a suggestion for you. And I mean this in a helpful way, not critical. Before you shave, wash your skin with anti-bacterial soap. You won't get those red razor bumps. I read this tip many years ago in Men's Health magazine and I've never gotten another one.

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[@jasonfederer993]

Sooooo......Half-Windsor?

[@fit4xlife]

This is one of the Half-Windsor versions - the third version of the Half-Windsor by Fink and Mao, tie knot # 9. Patrick Novotny is calling this version Zanon tie knot.

[@DanaHenderson-l2e]

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[@Ursaminor31]

What do you recommend for a long torso, most Knots use too much tie

[@brookeggleston9314]

Buy a longer tie!!

[@fit4xlife]

Try Nicky knot instead of classic Windsor knot. If you need a narrow knot, try Oriental, Kent (very similar like Oriental) or Four-in-Hand knots. If you need little bit wider knot, use Pratt knot. They all have no more then five steps.

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[@ghostfather1390]

this is how my father taught me to tie my tie, calling it a "basic" knot, I never knew until now that it had a name, I thought I was going to learn some new way to tie a tie, and found I only learned the name for how I have always done it, thanks I would be interested in seeing other knots, other classic traditional knots, and even some of the fancy exotic ways that some tie their ties these days, though they look like they might take all morning to get done properly, and all night to get back off again

[@JuliaAnne]

Walker Mark Martin Karen Lopez Paul

[@Biber0315]

How is this not a half windsor?

[@fit4xlife]

This is one of the Half-Windsor versions - the third version of the Half-Windsor by Fink and Mao, tie knot # 9. Patrick Novotny is calling this version Zanon tie knot.

[@GeordieKama-o8g]

Clark Linda Moore Deborah Miller Larry

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[@00griffis00]

Only fitting Kirby has gold collar stays 😄...Keep us jealous buddy.