How To Tie A Tie 👔 - Old Bertie Knot | Kirby Allison

[@maxwellkrem2779]

This is how I learned to tie a tie. I (and other here) erroneously thought it was a half Windsor; thanks for teaching us the right name!

[@dubinmarks1]

I am so happy to know the name of this knot, a few years ago I mis-tied the 1/2 Windsor and liked it so much I have been using it regularly ever since. Now I know what to call it

[@simonross77]

See my comment above lol

[@chefcoreyc]

Kirby, it turns out that I have been using this knot since culinary school in 2003 and never knew what it was called. Thanks for all of your guidance with menswear; you have helped me a great deal!

[@thomasdemoet]

I've just been giving this knot a try and I am surprised with the positive results. Even with some more textured ties the knot doesn't become bulky. I will definitely incorporate this knot in my warderobe. Thank you for this great tutorial.

[@kirbyallison]

It's one of my favorites! Easy to tie and I love the shape !

[@raymondsampier864]

I have seen quite a few of your videos. I am a basic working man, but I have some shirts and ties. I thank you for your educational videos and I am still learning.

[@ameeral-shammaa9012]

After making the first knot, you should turn the wide end to the left around the back going to the right. You did it in the opposite direction which makes it mixture or half Windsor and old Bertie. The problem is when you want to untie it it will be knotted and you need to unknot it and that damaged the fabric of the tie. The other problem with it is you need to switch hands when you rotate the wide end while you can avoid this by doing what I mentioned above. Check out Sartorial Talks and his technique to do the old Bertie knot which is exactly what I described. I’m always a big fan and I always shop from your online store and you deeply influenced by everything I watch on your channel. Best of luck Kirby.

[@blacknbluechannel8812]

I'm watching Satorial Talks as I read your comment, will try it next time cause Old Bertie knot is awesome and I have been using Kirby's way and it is true that when I untie it I have a knot still to manual untie

[@oldwest517]

It looks like I've been tying an Old Bertie for more than 35 years and didn't even know it had a name--it was just something a college friend showed me when I expressed discontent at the severe asymmetry of the four-in-hand my father had taught me. But I think I more often swing it to the left rather than to the right after the initial pass, feeling it makes a more symmetrical knot while still keeping the knot small. I also like your technique for creating a dimple. I'd have to study in front of a mirror exactly what I do to create a good dimple that lasts (again, after more than 35 years, my hands are just on automatic pilot and I don't really think about any of it much), but there is an elegant simplicity to your technique than any classically-dressed man can appreciate.

[@kirbyallison]

oldwest517 Thank you! The dimple trick really works. Secret is to pull the back blade down while pulling the front blade. You have to put some pressure on it.

[@simonross77]

I have started using this style over past few months. Didn't know the name of it. I would describe it as a cross between a half Windsor and a four in the hand. Looks great.

[@ahmikjones]

Thank you for this. Not only did the knot work out as the perfect size for my tab collar shirt, for the first time I had a perfect dimple. I have tried lots of other methods to get a simple, but it was always hit or miss.

[@hepgeoff]

Thanks for this! The old Bertie knot you show here looks the same as what we called the half Windsor knot.

[@robertopics]

I was about to mention that until I read your comment.

[@morgoselgomos2472]

Thanks for your nice video...I really like this kind of knot..

[@alandry9497]

A tie dimple is absolutely essential for a gentleman.

[@kirbyallison]

A Landry Couldn’t agree more! One of those small, subtle details that really make the difference.

[@astrangerwhostaysforawhile987]

You know that the person know his tie really well when there's a dimple on their tieknot

[@lionfromjam7282]

Damn right!

[@Racedoc]

I have been searching for this knot for a long time. Thanks for posting the video.

[@stevemendez3535]

I am totally blind and I wear ties often, thank you for all the great info.

[@peterciampa5102]

Your best video yet

[@kirbyallison]

Thanks for watching! Let me know, what is your favorite tie knot?

[@mohammadhasan1374]

Four in hand and double four in hand, simple and classy

[@thetextpistols7354]

I really only use 3 knots with any regularity. The Bertie for asymmetrical & the Pratt for a more symmetrical knot and the 4 in hand. An occasional half Windsor but really the 3 I mentioned above. In that order, too.

[@zachanderson303]

For thicker ties I like the four in hand but for thinner ties I like the Kelvin and half Windsor.

[@icedcoldkilla]

Half windsor knot

[@liamblake937]

Four in hand

[@ghostfather1390]

this is how my father taught me to tie my tie, calling it a "basic" knot, I never knew until now that it had a name, I thought I was going to learn some new way to tie a tie, and found I only learned the name for how I have always done it, thanks I would be interested in seeing other knots, other classic traditional knots, and even some of the fancy exotic ways that some tie their ties these days, though they look like they might take all morning to get done properly, and all night to get back off again

[@ssehe2007]

An absolute killer! Great stuff! haha

[@DavidJSullivan8]

Incredibly well done. Thank you.

[@jeffbrogan6147]

Never heard of this tie. Thank you

[@douglasspencer745]

I've been using this knot for years, looks great and always stands out in a crowd of badly tied ties 🙄😂

[@excalibur1812]

Thank you for all of the help. I now have a suggestion for you. And I mean this in a helpful way, not critical. Before you shave, wash your skin with anti-bacterial soap. You won't get those red razor bumps. I read this tip many years ago in Men's Health magazine and I've never gotten another one.

[@enbardis]

You mean to tell my thats all it takes to get a dimple? Really? Pinch it? You are a genius...thats so simple!

[@kirbyallison]

I sense sarcasm. Hah.

[@brucew.5292]

The moment we have all been waiting for

[@Emanzz139]

that white shirt looks so comfy

[@srsb6935]

Excellent knote!👏👌

[@bioluminescent1344]

Great video! I appreciate the 3 elements of tying a tie and the proper length of a tie. I didn’t recognize that until you mentioned it!

[@rastrats]

Love that accent when you talk. You are obviously not Cockney (from London)! Tying a neck tie is like conducting a symphony orchestra - everyone has their own nuances in how they do it.

[@brucelrenz8646]

Beautiful. Thanks

[@cgm6434]

Great knot..! Thank you..

[@thetextpistols7354]

One of the more versatile knots. I find that it works well with just about any collar style.

[@kirbyallison]

That is a great point! It isn't too large and you can easily control the shape/size of the knot by how tight you pull it.

[@jborncraft1473]

Tried 4 times, put pulls in a new silk tie and could get the length where I like it. Gave up, back to my standard 4 in hand.

[@Pleiades60]

Nice and useful vid thanks Kirby

[@prycesean7891]

perfect explanation great content

[@sewjimmymac2140]

Great video Kirby. Very informative! 👍🏾

[@kirbyallison]

Thanks!

[@deejuicemailbox]

This is a simple half-Windsor knot!

[@colincruickshanks7578]

Perfect.. I still like my Windsor knot though.

[@markandnoahstutorials6539]

Nice video!!

[@emtcrystal]

beautiful knot

[@karlhungus5554]

You're hired.

[@butterscotchtoast3712]

Isn’t this just a half windsor?

[@fit4xlife]

This is one of the Half-Windsor versions - the third version of the Half-Windsor by Fink and Mao, tie knot # 9. Patric Novatny is calling this version Zanon tie knot.

[@BengelaHolmes]

Thanks!

[@arbernani4727]

You are wonderful! Are there also slim but long simetrical knots?

[@Ursaminor31]

What do you recommend for a long torso, most Knots use too much tie

[@brookeggleston9314]

Buy a longer tie!!

[@fit4xlife]

Try Nicky knot instead of classic Windsor knot. If you need a narrow knot, try Oriental, Kent (very similar like Oriental) or Four-in-Hand knots. If you need little bit wider knot, use Pratt knot. They all have no more then five steps.

[@zachanderson303]

I’ve been having something of an existential crisis on the kind of tie knot I want to be wearing as and I’ve always loved the look of your knot so thank you very much for this video.

[@kirbyallison]

Zach Anderson Glad I could help! Let me know how you get along with it after a few weeks!

[@CBellization]

Great video. I have a number of crucial interviews coming up for school and I’ll certainly be using this knot for my ties. When pulling on the wider end to make the dimple, is the other hand just holding onto the thinner end, or is it also pulling down? I watched the video a few times (only the first half, though) and couldn’t find a solid explanation. Thanks!

[@Jar0fMay0]

Good luck. It helped me stand out. It turned out I was the only one wearing a tie during the interview.

[@MrVeteranVlogs]

Great Video!!!!!!!!!

[@pintthereof4598]

Have you done any material on dress wrist watches or pocket watches?

[@lullemans72]

i noticed you were wearing your old bertie knot again in your latest shoe unboxing video, and i know you've mentioned it in other videos before so i decided to dig up an old video to find out how to tie it. it's certainly a different and very refreshing knot compared to the other tie knots i regularly tie. about 6:43, it wasn't entirely clear to me if you were pulling on both blades, but i'm guessing you are just pulling on the long blade while merely holding on to the short blade.

[@sitbone3]

I’ve watched a hundred of these “ how to tie a tie” videos and what is never mentioned is that you must use an extra long tie. Most men’s ties are 58”, (147.32cm), and the small blade will only come to the middle of your chest or top of your stomach after the tie is tied. If you use an “extra long”tie, 62” or 63”, (157.48cm), the blades will be even after tying the knot. This is especially important if you are a tall man.

[@kirbyallison]

Well, this really depends more on the type of knot and how high waisted your trousers are.

[@sitbone3]

@@kirbyallison ...No. It has to due with how long the tie is. I’m 5’10”, and the only knots I use are the four n hand and the half Windsor. I’m not creating large knots that take up a lot of the ties length. All of my 58”, standard length, ties have a small blade that is much shorter than the large blade after tying those knots. With my extra long ties (62”), the blades are even. It has nothing to due with the rise of the pants. Sheesh.

[@jebbush2527]

@@sitbone3 you’re wrong though. High rise trousers require a shorter tie and play a huge role. I’m 6’1, and with my high waisted trousers, average tie length works fine (slightly longer than average for me is ideal with high waisted; around 59-60”, but 58” is close. 62”+ is definitely too long). Knot choice also does matter.

[@samuelmatheis]

great...aaand don't stress yourself if not needed. best wishes and thank you for the teaching

[@dougiemonday]

How is this different that a half Windsor?

[@fit4xlife]

This is one of the Half-Windsor versions - the third version of the Half-Windsor by Fink and Mao, tie knot # 9. Patrick Novotny is calling this version Zanon tie knot.

[@jebbush2527]

You go through the V first then wrap around the small blade whereas with a half Windsor you wrap around the back first then go through the v

[@eliasingemundsen1304]

Nice video, I am just wondering about how much longer the long blade should be than the short blade when starting to tie the tie?

[@00griffis00]

Only fitting Kirby has gold collar stays 😄...Keep us jealous buddy.

[@jipmaster55]

Hi Kirby, Is it necessary to bring the tie blade over to the right side before wrapping around to create the knot? I have been leaving it on the left side and wrapping from there but I don't get as good a shape as you do. Please advise, thank you and love the channel!

[@ralphnetta4563]

Please do a information video on Seven Fold Ties.

[@BjE1173]

Isn't this knot called the half windsor?

[@fit4xlife]

This is one of the Half-Windsor versions - the third version of the Half-Windsor by Fink and Mao, tie knot # 9. Patrick Novotny is calling this version Zanon tie knot.

[@zacharygraham5266]

Bless you. I’ve been waiting for you to make this video.

[@kirbyallison]

Zachary Graham Thank you!!

[@rainwaterd]

always thought that knot was a "half windsor"? Have always used this knot.

[@oldwest517]

One other comment. It is so nice to see someone do the common-sense thing of not buttoning the top button until after the collar is flipped down--a rarity among KZbin instructional videos. I personally place the tie around my neck, then flip the collar down right away while everything is nice and loose, then tie the knot, and then button the top button and snug up the knot. Flipping the collar down only after the top button is buttoned is very uncomfortable (I think it is this discomfot--as well as stiff, cheap ties--that makes many men think that ties are uncomfortable, when they aren't. It also requires manhandling, abusing, and even wrinkling a nicely ironed collar. Flipping the collar down prior to buttoning is much gentler on the collar.

[@herbertloscher514]

To wear a tie is uncomfortable.

[@oldwest517]

@@herbertloscher514 Nonsense. I wear one every day, and it is very comfortable. A nice soft cotton shirt with a high-quality silk or wool tie are very comfortable. What I've never understood is how people think that T-shirts are comfortable.

[@herbertloscher514]

@@oldwest517 I've tried many different shirt collars. But i've never found one that is comfortable.

[@herbertloscher514]

@@oldwest517 It's clear: When you like closed shirtcollars and ties, you don't like T-Shirts.

[@StyleJuiceAJ]

Hi Kirby, as usual great video making complex steps simple. Been a subscriber for a while and I am totally admiring your new style of videos covering even a wider audience in the Gentlemen style zones! Question, what are your thoughts of styling a Prince Albert knot with double breasted peak lapel suits?

[@lullemans72]

i like that style of tie a lot, and i've encountered a couple of similar ties like that in stores in the past. however, what really kept me from ever buying one is that a black and white tie like that seems to only really work with a white dress shirt. for other non-white shirts, the tie would be too light, and i think i read somewhere once that your tie needs to be darker than your shirt. due to that limitation, i haven't purchased one so far.

[@danielhowe]

How is this different from the half Nelson?

[@shaquillesayers9735]

Please do more tie nots!!!!!!!!!

[@VWbobby94]

Great Video!!! Thanks

[@Real_Joseph_David]

Hey Kirby, I know this video has been up for a while, but what suit make and model were you wearing in this video? It looks really good, and I would like to look into purchasing one for myself. Thanks👍

[@MoDonJon]

I was in high-end menswear design for nearly 20 years and have never heard the half-Windsor knot called an Old Bertie. Any references on this name?

[@BjE1173]

It is called a half windsor. I've never met anyone call this knot a "half Bertie". So would a full windsor knot be called a "full Bertie"?

[@AsifIqbal-hp8fk]

Nice suit. Please give details. Can’t tell the colour of your suit on screen dark grey/dark blue? Is this bespoke? Tailor please

[@libertylover8533]

Mr. Allison, I must know how long your tie is or how tall you are? I am around 6'2" perhaps with a long torso. I have a very large tie collection, to large according to my wife. Many very expensive silk ties made in Italy and London. However all of them only make it to my waist before they are tied. I always have the thin blade in the back a lot shorter then the wide blade in the front. That is why I always use the Oriental Knot (Simple Knot). Can you help? How long are your ties?

[@robertbelliottjr5773]

Next Kirby show us how to tie a shoe

[@007EnglishAcademy]

When I attended the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst (like Westpoint but with class) a fellow officer cadet asked if it was ok to use a Windsor knot - the indignant instructor replied that a Windsor knot may have been good enough for abdicated kings circa 1936 but it was in no way good enough for an officer in the modern British army.

[@Loribyn]

Ah, so you were the spare? Poor dear. ;)

[@Medsas]

are you saying both tie blades should of equal length and at the belt buckle? thats sounds nearly impossible unless you have a tie with custom length? I dont see why it would be important for the skinny end to be the same length when it is hidden away...

[@Biber0315]

How is this not a half windsor?

[@fit4xlife]

This is one of the Half-Windsor versions - the third version of the Half-Windsor by Fink and Mao, tie knot # 9. Patrick Novotny is calling this version Zanon tie knot.

[@emilianohernandezcastaneda1702]

How many tie knots do you think a man should know? (I absolutely love your video, I send you my regards)

[@kirbyallison]

I think a man only needs one good knot...

[@fit4xlife]

@@kirbyallison It means that you do not understand the logic of tie knots. The tie knot depends at least on the type of collar, the length of the tie and its density. With a long tie on a person with a short torso and a thin neck, it will be too long when you will be tying simpler knots up to 5-6 steps.

[@GFoster]

Nice job Kirby, but I am a big fan of the Pratt knot. Came across it about 12 years ago and it has yielded exceptional results each time. Works really well with light to medium weighted ties.

[@BBS_Robski]

1/2 & full Windsor for me mainly (mostly full), four in hand for thicker ties & I don't do dimples.

[@mrpeel3239]

How long are your ties?

[@kirbyallison]

We have 150 and 160 cm lengths

[@ahhumabbasi5100]

0:51 It’s not a problem, it’s a ME problem!

[@MarilynMontoto]

Every time he pops his collar, it cracks me up 💀

[@perryhall3404]

"Ever since I can remember, I've been Poppin my collar, Poppin my collar, Poppin my collar!😂

[@AT-oj7of]

Thanks, this is great. May I ask, how tall are you? I’m almost 6’6”. As a tall person, there is no way with a typical tie to get the blades the same length without making the long blade way too short. I take it that the most important thing is to ensure the long blade not be too short. Correct?

[@GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser]

You should buy longer ties, they are available I believe. And wow you're indeed tall.

[@AT-oj7of]

Grand Moff Tarkin Thanks. I’ve tried that. It’s hard to find long ties of a satisfactory quality and style. Also, the greater length makes it hard to get the proportions right when tying it. The regular length is fine, all I do is keep the smaller blade about three inches longer than the larger one. I’m just saying that having the two blades at the same length shouldn’t be preached as a rule, since there are so many variables that go into making that possible.

[@GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser]

I see. Yes I agree. You may be interested in custom ties.

[@kirbyallison]

We are adding a collection of long-ties to our collection within the next two to three months. I agree - as a taller gentleman, you really need a longer tie. Our standard ties are 150cm x 8.5cm. Our long ties are going to be 160cm x 9.0cm. Stay tuned...

[@Ikari777]

I'm 6'3 and only wear 3.5-3.75 inch width ties also. Sam Hober will make you any type of tie length/width etc for a very reasonable price! Bespoke made ties where you pick everything for same price or cheaper than equal quality rtw ties.

[@forresthowe6223]

I do not "pop" my collar anymore. If starched, it's very difficult to turn down. Just as easy to slide the tie underneath the flat collar. BTW, that looks like a half Windsor.

[@anburamki2464]

So cutee

[@dorikoldashi839]

LOVE THE TIE KNOT, BUT I AM 193 CM , WHAT TIE SHOULD I USE TO HAVE THAT THICNESS FROM DHE TOP TO THE BOTTOM, WHATS THE LENGTH OF YOUR TIE ? AND THE WIDTH SO I CAN COMPARE TO MINE THANK YOU

[@fit4xlife]

You can use high waist pants and the tie with a lenght of 160cm. And you can try to tie all the knots what have not more then 6 steps. But really with a length of 160cm there has to be no problems with a Windsor type knots too.

[@ShinJoey84]

Will this work for tall guys? I can never get the tie blades to meet.

[@kirbyallison]

This ties a bit longer than something like a four-in-hand, so it's great for tall guys!

[@otm646]

Tall guys need longer ties, additionally some less expensive ties (we all have them) don't give you enough length from the start compounding the problem.

[@kirbyallison]

otm646 We are going to add a long length to our permament collection of ties, which we will be receiving within the next two months.

[@katyg3873]

Take a drink every time he says tie.

[@jasonfederer993]

Sooooo......Half-Windsor?

[@fit4xlife]

This is one of the Half-Windsor versions - the third version of the Half-Windsor by Fink and Mao, tie knot # 9. Patrick Novotny is calling this version Zanon tie knot.

[@kevinhdo90]

Is this not the same thing as a half winsor knot? o:

[@adriansaw8329]

Is this also known as the Prince Albert and double four in the hand? Too many knots- somewhat confused.

[@adriansaw8329]

Please advise

[@oskartheme5233]

@@adriansaw8329 I wouldn't know about the double four in hand, but it's not the Prince Albert. www.ties.com/how-to-tie-a-tie/prince-albert

[@iswish_41]

I loved the knot but there is no way that a person over 5'10" can have the ends of the tie be the same length. You have to be like 5'7" or less to have it like that. I'm 6'3" and If I try to pull that the tie end up in the middle of my shirt.

[@alexanderlavoie5461]

I'm 6'1" and have the same issue. Sometimes the small end won't reach the keeper.

[@tonyjacobs1974]

What cuff links are you wearing?

[@kirbyallison]

Tony Jacobs These are the Lotus Flower Cufflinks from our website, HangerProject.com.

[@JohnDought]

Only the dimple doest work out I do exactly the same but is doest work

[@tuncaybey8763]

Similar to oriental knot but harder than that, so why should i pick this knot?

[@rafaelsarlocarneiroribeiro2460]

Hello, Kirby! I know this video is kind of old, but I'm in the begining of the gentleman world and I have a doubt about this video. How long the tie should be for me that it will be as you showed in the video? I'm a 1,76 cm guy. Thanks for your attention!

[@johnmcmicking395]

"The Old Bertie" ? That was a HALF WINDSOR !

[@fit4xlife]

This is one of the Half-Windsor versions - the third version of the Half-Windsor by Fink and Mao, tie knot # 9. Patrick Novotny is calling this version Zanon tie knot.

[@fit4xlife]

@@t3h8ar0n you understood me wrong. I only noted that Fink and Mao ranked this knot in the group of Half Windsor knots by the structure and quantity of the steps. Thats all. Old Bertie looks different then Half Windsor and it has its own place among all others knots. With some collars it looks nice enough.

[@AwoooOga3503]

My favorite tie is The Eldredge knot, The Bloom knot and The Trinity knot

[@waltersickinger1499]

This is a half Windsor also known as a Prince Albert knot. Don’t know where the term Old Bertie came from.

[@t3h8ar0n]

No, it isn't a "half Windsor"... and it is rather obvious it isn't because the Old Bertie crosses and then immediately goes up through the back of the V (back to front motion), while the half Windsor immediately crosses and wraps around before going DOWN through the V (front to back).

[@rickoverturf]

Hey Kirby. What makes a product " Sovereign Grade. "?

[@joshuamurray-nevill9127]

Weird, I've been using this knot for years and thinking it was a half-Windsor.

[@bobbills2953]

Isn’t this just a st. Andrew?

[@fit4xlife]

This is one of the Half-Windsor versions - the third version of the Half-Windsor by Fink and Mao, tie knot # 9. Patrick Novotny is calling this version Zanon tie knot. St. Andrew has 7 steps, this knot has only six. And St. Andrew knot begins inside out.

[@drailynerynjah5066]

Wish this was mirrored 😭