KIRK's Flagship - USS Farragut - Star Trek Starship Breakdown

Captain James Tiberius Kirk was legendary for his captaincy of the USS Enterprise during the era of those old scientists, but this wasn't the first Federation Starship he was assigned to, so let's break them down! The USS Farragut was in service to the Starfleet of the United Federation of Planets from at least 2247, as a yet unnamed Class of Starship. At the time of writing and recording, we can refer to the ship as a “Farragut-Type” starship.
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Title: KIRK's Flagship - USS Farragut - Star Trek Starship Breakdown
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[@excelents]

07:47 if you listen carefully to the comms chatter in SNW Ep.1 when Pike is in the shuttle reading his PADD and approaching the Enterprise you will hear them refer to the other ship in the dock as the USS Yelchin named after Anton Yelchin who played Checkov in the kelvin timeline films.

[@Wowflunky]

nice catch

[@RicktheCrofter]

In 'The Making of Star Trek' it gives a list of the twelve Constitution Class starships. The Farragut was one of the twelve.

[@shanenolan8252]

Yes it does, along with the other names of the others.

[@shanenolan8252]

Oh and half of them make appearances or are mentioned in dialogue later .

[@xheralt]

_Which_ Making of Star Trek? Other lists and production sources with equal authenticity exclude Farragut. Screen use (even inconsistent screen use) trumps all else, isn't that how it goes? The ONLY reason to assume Farragut was a Connie was that back in the 70's there was literally no other model to use.

[@aaronsugar7228]

I like the back and forth memos between Gene, Roddenberry, Bob Justman, and DC Fontana on the names of the ships in that book. I also like Gene's admission that if they had tried to map out all of Starfleet before they started, it would've taken them 20 years to get the show off the ground.

[@albatani27]

@@TiaraStarbrighter or the Constitution class version was somehow destroyed and the one Kirk commanded was an older model that was reactivated.

[@Schindlerphoto]

According to the TOS episode "Court Martial" the first ship that Kirk served on was the 'Republic'.

[@shanenolan8252]

Exactly. After a year year posting to the academy.

[@picklerick4944]

Kurtzman just eats alphabetti spaghetti, and the words that come out in his turds are the script

[@Schindlerphoto]

@@picklerick4944 Oh I am more than convinced of that. A chimp with a typewriter could do batter than him.

[@CZ350tuner]

The NCC-1371 Republic was a cadet training ship, postulated, since the 1980's, to be an old Baton Rouge class cruiser.

[@Schindlerphoto]

@@CZ350tuner Training ship or not, he was still "Assigned" to it.

[@phils5423]

I started playing Starfleet battles when it was a pocket game played for years God some of the best memories I have

[@stefcat5331]

I believe that "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!", could be the motto for Star Trek after fifty six years of TV and movies, etc. Farragut makes sense.

[@thomashill6347]

GOOD EVENING Adam, always like you videos from Trek Central

[@benw9949]

In TOS, the Farragut was a Constitution class heavy cruiser starship, the same as the Enterprise and others, the only type that appeared on-screen, because that was the only TV model they had. As further proof, check several 1970's book sources: Boo Trimble's Star Trek Concordance; The Starfleet Technical Manual by Franz Josef Designs; and either The Making of Star Trek by Stephen E. Whitfield, or else The World of Star Trek by David Gerrold. I'm pretty sure the USS Farragut is listed in one of the last two among both possible names for the Enterprise and as other starships in her class. In the Tech Manual, it's right there with the twelve original Constitution class ships, before the later long list that were to be constructed. The Tech Manual was licensed by Star Trek and was a fan-favorite resource for years before the first movie. Boo Trimble's Concordance was thoroughly researched from repeat viewings and notes she made during the show's run and into reruns, and is another fan-favorite resource. -- Yes, SNW may have retconned the Farragut to another ship class. So wishin SNW and anything derived from it, go with its canon. But for TOS, the Farragut is a Connie. I'd quote the NCC number if I had the books in from of me. :)

[@stratagama]

well by the nature of a retcon even in TOS the Farragut can no longer be described as a connie. its all one canon and most recent depiction is the standard to go by.

[@shanenolan8252]

@@stratagama no its not really. History comes first before a retcon .

[@snowwolvesproductions]

I envision that in the correct time line, the accident spilled over to the saucer section being assembled for (standardized for ease of construction) the USS (any name), and so they repurposed the main saucer section of the USS Farragut to attach to the Constitution class body section instead of the Miranda class body it was slated for. Thus finishing a Constitution class vessel on schedule and temporarily delaying the Miranda class vessel in drydock, and leaving the already named saucer section as Farragut. Problem solved. Your welcome... just list me in the credits for inspiration... :-)

[@robertcampbell6349]

NCC-1702.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@shanenolan8252 As I see it, a reboot is a reboot, even if not spelt out so. Some stuff is transferable, other stuff mutable.

[@fwl3504]

Lt. Adam, you are so much fun to listen to. I really enjoy your videos. Qapla & LLAP!!🖖🏾

[@joelmoses5143]

I’m living for the Farragut’s profile in SNW! But as it is for all Kurtzman ST productions…….. It is what it is!

[@super_ficial]

"I have sworn eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man". From the bridge plaque of the USS Yamato NCC-71807. United Federation of Planets

[@saedo9723]

Maybe instead of a shuttlebay, they went old school and had shuttlepods dropped from hatches

[@thekingofwaffles8403]

Well, It could've been worse.... The Captain could've just given you some *Federation Issued* duct tape and ordered you to patch up the missing part of the saucer section.

[@daniellafferety4025]

Escape pods.

[@thekingofwaffles8403]

@@sonacphotos Actually, There was a Star Wars Fan-Made KZbin video called.... The common causes of PTSD in the Imperial armed forces. But, The Captain gave him a roll *Scotch Tape* and a box of refills and ordered him to patch-up a huge giant hole in the Super Star Destroyer.

[@gorillazzillathemeh5897]

The shuttle bay looks tucked into the engineering/deflector blister.

[@TahoeTime4457]

You could make the excuse that the Farragut was an older ship compared to the enterprise.

[@michaeldelucci4379]

Farragut is a honored name in the US Navy it was a large class of destroyer's during World War Two

[@savage-goose]

Always love hearing Frasier talk Star Trek

[@revrndskip]

The Farragut reminds me of the Kiev Class Frigate from Fasa Starship combat simulator.

[@michaeldelucci4379]

Named after Admiral Farragut of the American civil war who's famous order was "Damned the torpedoes full speed ahead" at Mobile bay also the torpedoes are mines

[@rochedl]

I use to play STSCS ( Star Trek Starship Combat Simulator) and while this was not one of the ships I used, it was a cool ship. I believe in the TOS series the Farragut was a constitution class like the Enterprise,

[@mikefarrington7141]

In TOS, nearly everything was Constitution class (if it appeared on screen) so they could just slap a different decal on the Enterprise model and film it.

[@haroldchase4120]

If it is on TV It’s cannon . Doesn’t matter why , guess this ship got replaced later on by a connie.

[@ssgusa]

It was, registration number NCC-1702.

[@Bartonrn]

It was a Constitution class and I don’t appreciate the change of starship class!

[@timhorn3829]

If you go online and look at the listing of all the constitution class starships there is a Farragut mentioned as part of that class

[@Firefox13A]

‘Mass reuse’ components actually is consistent and logical in fleet building in general. Glad to see they’re ditching the previous generation of Starships Discovery showcased.

[@DrewLSsix]

Imo the ships shown in DSC make perfect sense as a literal previous generation of ships. Not only are they bulkier looking in general but they have a variety of details that to me suggest starfleet was assembling it's fleet from various member worlds designs. And it's not until the current generation ships, the ones that seem to use Constitution class components that wee see real uniformity in design. Ships like the MaGee class, notably the one seen at the Battle of the Binary Stars named after Shran, have distinctly Andorian elements. The MaGee has boxy nacelles mounted to the hull, like the Andorian ships from Enterprise. I imagine that after the events of ENT follo2ing the Romulan war the new federation statfleet operated as a coalition fleet using ships directly from each member world, over the next several decades it would have become clear that such a fleet had operational issues and they would begin the process of unifying technology and design. The shops seen in early DSC were the result with many no doubt being quite old at the time. Ships like the Crossfield class would be among the last ships built using this design ethos as the Constitution class and derivatives started to take over. Using established well understood tech for the Disco and Glenn makes sense when experimenting with a radical new drive, you want everything else to be a known quantity, unlike say... the Excelsior, where they build an all new ship with all new tech to test their all new drive.

[@Firefox13A]

@@DrewLSsix I don’t disagree with that. The look of Discovery and Strange New Worlds was more true to a sequel of Enterprise, than it was a prequel to TOS. Considering how much time pollution occurred in Enterprise via the Temporal Cold War, myself and many fans reconcile that Strange New Worlds is a close parallel to the Classic Series.

[@DragoonMS]

Looks like a precursor to the Miranda class.

[@joeswanson733]

or this ship is a miranda class variant.

[@DragoonMS]

@@joeswanson733 Perhaps. But I don't think that the Miranda existed yet at that point, given how it reused parts from the Constitution Refit design and not the original Constitution class. 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

[@joeswanson733]

@@DragoonMS from the lore they said hte miranda class and constitution class were pretty much rolled out around the same time

[@ChristopherSloane]

David Glasgow Farragut was a flag officer of the United States Navy during the American Civil War. He was the first rear admiral, vice admiral, and admiral in the United States Navy. He is remembered for his order at the Battle of Mobile Bay, usually paraphrased as "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" I think the writers think its funny to make the ship somewhat suicidal.

[@TheOmegaRiddler]

Star Trek Fleet Command has a ship that looks very similar to the Farragut that they call the Mayflower.

[@maximusprime3459]

The Farragut is also the name of the ship that assisted the Enterprise at Veridian III after the Enterprise crashed in Generations and Kirk died.

[@CrushedOrangeProd]

While the USS Farragut has always been propitiated to be a Constitution class vessel (as per behind the scenes of TOS) I’m kinda glad they went with a new design. It opens up the possibility of more of these ships appearing in future episodes. I hope we get a class name and some specs soon.

[@Dragon_Werks]

According to the decal sheet in the 1:650 (18") AMT USS Enterprise kit from the 1960s, the Farragut was, indeed, a Constitution Class starship, thus, it's Canon.

[@marcokloek2601]

Looks a lot like a pre-miranda class sort of pre-refit kind.

[@CZ350tuner]

@@Dragon_Werks AMT had the Farragut listed as NCC-1702, though.

[@davfree9732]

It also confirms Secret hideouts output is alternative continuity. Farragut in canon is a constitution class. This rewriting of an easy to adhere to aspect of Trek lore indicates they are rewriting the lore, thus this is alt continuity via a stealth reboot. Also, there were 12 Constitution ships. Yet we heard a Constitution class being named that is not one of the canon Constitutions… Thus, they either have more than 12 Constitution classes, which is off canon. Or they removed Farragut from being a Constitution class so they could slip in a new named Constitution class…in which case an easy to adhere to aspect of canon, has again been violated for no good reason.

[@thomaswedge42]

@@Dragon_Werks Third party model kits are not canon only onscreen appearance's are canon, also the AMT model USS Farragut decals had the NCC-1702 registry which doesn't make sense as it's a higher registry than the USS Enterprise which would mean that it's a newer ship than the USS Enterprise.

[@TheBlindDyslexic]

Oh, wait there is a warp-powered washing machine. The NCC Frigidaire. Though its registry number is unknown. It is known its captain kept having running battles with the NCC Maytag and Kenmore.

[@benw9949]

Don't forget the redoubtable USS Whirlpool.

[@TheBlindDyslexic]

@@benw9949 Thank you very much, knew I was forgetting one, was brain farting on its name.

[@xedanis101]

I would like this to be a series, please? Pretty please? 🤣

[@donnyposey5179]

Don't try eating escape "pods".

[@clarkstartrek]

Why does Pike have the Johnny Thunder Gray-Hairdoo, this season???

[@xedanis101]

Legend says that whenever Star Trek gains a new fan, Chris Pike's hair grows another inch.

[@iamsuzerain3987]

In the video game World of Warships Legends Farragut is the king of T4 destroyers. Enjoyed watching...Thanks!

[@CZ350tuner]

Actually, the Farragut looks like the Star Fleet Battles' Burke class fast frigate, so was more than likely inspired by it. SFB Burke class FF characteristics: Crew of 200. Capable of Warp 9, for short periods. Saucer & underslung small, twin nacelle design. Deflector dish on a strut under the saucer. Hangar & engineering section under the saucer rear. There have been models, of the Burke class FF, made by various companies in various scales, for decades.

[@Cyber_Horse_Studios87]

I kinda like that this version of the Farragut is similar to a Mayflower class vessel. A ship that used the iconic components of the Einstein class ships (the USS Kelvins class of any of you don’t know what that is), but proved to be a pretty wonky kind of ship like it’s later successor the miranda class. The Farragut proves to be similar to the mayflower class through both design and abilities, as Kirk tried to push the ship so hard it simply couldn’t respond fast enough. Still a cool ship of course!

[@Cyber_Horse_Studios87]

@@jarrodskufcagaming5203 oh yeah that’s true. I wonder if that an intentional nod to the Kelvin timeline.

[@JoeShmoism]

@@jarrodskufcagaming5203 Pike's accident hasn't happened yet. Robert April was the first captain of the Enterprise, followed by Pike, followed by Kirk. This has been established from the time of TOS.

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and executed and informatively explained in every detail way shape and format provided on the U.S.S. Farragut and its functions and abilities, duties and mission parameters and on Captain Kirk's abilities and duties and command structure and so forth and so on, A job very nicely well done indeed Sir!👌.

[@WillMenesesHikes]

Great vid Lt. Adam! Love this channel 😎🖖

[@TrekCentral]

Thanks Will! - Jack

[@veggiet2009]

Captain La'an does have a nice ring to it

[@kenbohl2176]

So happy that the future still rremembers david glasgow faragut!! Damn! The photons! Full speed ahead!

[@jenniferstewarts4851]

ok that bottom slug sensor section is big. it looks to be about 3 decks, with lighting at the back of it. my bets is thats a shuttle bay, probably big enough to handle 4 shuttles min, with a service area. though if they are saving space it might just be an base hanger with no repair facilities. it actually looks like the warp pylons actually "shield" the shuttle bay, likely allowing it to launch and recover craft in a more hostile situation. honestly... with gravity plating and such, given its location... it would be interesting if the shuttle back is "inverted" IE shuttles come in upside down compared to the ship and land in an inverted bay area.

[@RATTL3R186]

LT.Adam needs to do all future videos. His sense of humor and banter adds a lot to the videos.

[@TrekCentral]

Thankfully we are a team here at the channel, so you’ll see videos from everyone :) - Jack

[@HepCatJack]

There was the U.S.S Beergut which was never attacked by the Romulans as they were their biggest Romulan ale customer.

[@mikelovesbacon]

Flagship? The flagship was the Enterprise. If Kirk can have his own flagship he would have to have multiple ships for it to make sense for him to declare one his flag. This is simply Kirk's ship.

[@UnChannelDuVulpineX]

Thank-you! I came here to write that.

[@DrewLSsix]

You just contradicted yourself, if you need ships under your command then the Enterprise is almost never actually a flag ship. There's rarely a flag grade officer onboard anyway. The Enterprise being the "flagship" of the fleet must simply be an honorary status due to the history of the ships name, and considering the time frame it's likely that its not been given that title yet. I dont think it's ever referred to as the flagship until TNG.

[@danielproulx1849]

​ @DrewLSsix Traditionally, 'flag officers' were admirals. They would have naval fleets under their command. Perhaps Starfleet doesn't usually have admirals on shipboard duty and senior captains have taken those duties over (Commodores used to be senior Captains in charge of a squadron, a title - not a rank, at least in the Royal Navy). Fleets are assigned sectors to operate in, and there would be a lead ship and a chain of command in each sector. Each ship has individual duties, but that chain of command would still apply. Then each of the fleets would have a Flagship, and the Enterprise could be prestigious enough to be the 'flagship' of Starfleet. Whatever the case, Kirk would not be senior enough to have a flagship.

[@driftbandit4740]

I like the design of the USS Faragott.

[@GF1045Prime]

It looks right for the era👍

[@dexoearth9167]

Same.

[@mikespangler98]

Why would you be surprised at the short lifetime of ships named after David Farragut? "From his high perch, where he was lashed to the rigging of his flagship, USS Hartford, Farragut could see the ships pulling back. "What's the trouble?" he shouted through a trumpet to USS Brooklyn. "Torpedoes", was the shouted reply. "Damn the torpedoes.", said Farragut, "Four bells, Captain Drayton, go ahead. Jouett, full speed." That is not a tradition leading to retirement after a long service life.

[@emmamacfarlane8137]

Of course he won that fight and went on to die of natural causes.

[@asherthomas3851]

Thanks

[@ericbrammer2245]

ONE THING Here, Never Said, but oft-noted; The Use of 'Standardized' Saucer/Engine/Fuselage bits harks Back to the ORIGINAL Franz Joseph designs. And, btw, the "Farragut" was a CL, before being Part-of-the Constitution Class of Heavy Research Cruisers, so, while not 'canon', it's an odd 'what-if' ship but Plausible. The retractable, lowered, Deflector dish is Inherent in the Joseph designs of both the Destroyer/Scouts, and the Tugs. It is also a feature in the SFB 'CL' and NCL ships. The ONLY Fed ship I've seen with 2 such deflector dishes were the 3-warp Dreadnoughts of the Federation-Class (which were, also, the first to have the ability to 'warp' from either Main-hull section in the event of heavy damage, after separation).Even those "DN's" used many components from their 'lesser' siblings, to reduce cost, and add redundancy to the supply-chain. As Spock might've noted, it's "logical" to have commonality in Logistics, and F. Joseph saw That, even from the mid 1960's.

[@sharonec5419]

It really was an excellent episode that episode. In fact all 10 episodes were excellent so much do I am going to start watching them all over for a 3rd time tonight :)

[@thomashill6347]

Thanks for the insightful look at the ship named Farragut

[@timwheeler7620]

The original TOS Farragut was one of the original 13 Constitution class ships.

[@DrewLSsix]

Not canon.

[@timwheeler7620]

@@DrewLSsix I know. I just noticed that little tidbit seems never to be mentioned by any of these reaserches.

[@jameslewis2635]

I do like the inclusion of this class in the show. With the simple saucer + 2 nacel design with no huge shuttle capacity. It comes across as a logical precursor to the Miranda class and in terms of size (along with the parts comonality to the Constitution class) it does come across as a frigate or destroyer where as in TOS the Constitution class was shown as a heavy cruiser.

[@BBP749]

looks similar, to the California class, but the deflector shield on the cali class was between the nacelles.

[@roncoleman1859]

Lt Adam, I always enjoy your narrations They should give you your own show. 👍

[@thomasnettles989]

There was a Fan made series called Starship Farragut which had a constitution class ship as the Farragut. IT was on you tube.

[@sailingmaster]

You forgot the Constitution class Farragut that M5 destroys in the “Wargames” exercise portion of the M5 field trials.

[@TheStarTrekApologist]

The Lexington, Excalibur, Potemkin and Hood were the ships involoved in that battle.

[@shanenolan8252]

Faragut is mentioned during the episode kirk was accused of murder, he was first officer before enterprise. And republic before that . ( all connies )

[@katherineberger6329]

The destroyed ship was the USS Excalibur (NCC-1705 as seen in the remaster, though the original showed the four ships as a composite of four shots of the Enterprise model shot from enough distance to obscure the markings on the underside of the saucer on the potato-quality TVs of the day).

[@TheStarTrekApologist]

@@shanenolan8252 Farragut was not mentioned in Court Martial the Republic was. Kirk Served on the Republic after the Farragut as an Ensign. Which leaves one queston how did Lt Kirk get demoted to Ensign Kirk. In TOS it was never mentioned when he may have served as First Officer. I have always assumed that the captain of the Farragut demoted Kirk because he blamed him for the death of Captain Garravik. Ater Kirk saved te ship he felt bad and fast tracked him upwards.

[@shanenolan8252]

@@TheStarTrekApologist i believe it was republic first as an ensign after a year at the academy then faragut up to lt commander or commander( first officer) i dont know about demotion but yes i thought he was fast tracked but enterprise was his first command, and he was 32 ( pretty young) and familiarly with the class would be a pro . Faragut is on the list of constitution class starships and since the strange new worlds episode i checked again with several different people and sources. ( and a star trek ship channel) ex ares astra( trek ships wedsite ) also lists her as a constitution class as does the star trek offial canon fact files . ( along with the other 11 ships ) of the class in the original production run , the vessels lost were re commissioned as ( like enterprise A ) or defiant a ect .but if memory serves Picard went from lieutenant to captain ( field commission) i would have assumed he was recommended by his former captain. ? Getting enterprise strange but then again the enterprise b was given to a captain with no command experience.

[@toryunaminosaki1022]

Idk, I have an Alita escort (a 25thC updated Akira) in STO named Farragut, it does pretty well. It also has 4 different torpedo systems, hence my naming it after a US class of DDG xD

[@AustinFan4Life]

Kirk was lieutenant during Pike command of the enterprise, in fact he didn't reach captain until he took command of the enterprise, becoming the youngest captain in Starfleet's history. He also never met Pike until the events of "The menagerie".

[@snowwolvesproductions]

Which hopefully they will FIX when the go into the next season and show how things are in the correct timeline.

[@tomryan3768]

How to say you didn't watch the episode without saying you didn't watch the episode.

[@jameshigh6481]

From my understanding, after Captain Kirk there was Captain Alvarez. When he retired it was turned over to Captain John "Jack" Carter with First Officer Robert Tackett & chief engineer Lt. Commander Michelle Smithfield.

[@robertcampbell6349]

That Farragut is a Constitution class starship. Star Trek Continues also references the Constitution class Farragut in the episode The White Iris.

[@jameshigh6481]

@@robertcampbell6349 I know. I know. But I just couldn't resist! (It was kinda futile 😜‼️)

[@robertcampbell6349]

@@jameshigh6481 Iike Starship Farragut too. One of the better fan productions. Did you see the animated episodes they did?

[@jameshigh6481]

@@robertcampbell6349 YES! Loved them!

[@robertcampbell6349]

@@jameshigh6481 They knocked it out of the ball park with "The Needs of the Many". Chase Masterson was excellent, but the part with Tim Russ was fantastic.

[@causewayspelledbackwards]

Speaking of Flagships, Playing Star Trek Online, throughout my career in the Federation, since i've had access to the constitution class ship, I've oversaw (unofficial) sister ships of the enterprise all the way up to E. My ship was some iteration of the constitution class, known as the U.S.S. Atlantis NCC-1704 (-A, -B, a defiant class NCC-1704-C, a galaxy class NCC-1704-D, Followed by the Sovereign class U.S.S. Atlantis NX-1704-E). I've always loved getting into the breakdowns and Histories of Trek Ships, and decided to give my own a slight bit of history as well (The name came from another another one of the 5 out of 6 space-worthy shuttles, That haven't already been taken by another ship in cannon), And i came up with the registration number to make the enterprise feel like 1 of 5 identical Constitution class ships when initially built, along with the 12 other sub-class designs

[@skycladobserver9246]

USS Farragut was indeed one of the original Constitution class ships. This new version is a total retcon.

[@TrekCentral]

The Farragut was never actually never given a class or registry on screen in TOS, so this isn't a retcon, it just isn't consistent with ancilliary material such as encylopedia's and such - Dom

[@iamfritz]

Surya Class is right> I have one of the very first fanart books: Ships of the Fleet- Cruisers and Frigates. The Surya is a frigate, predecessor to the Miranda class made famous in Wrath of Khan. Published 1986ish. Great book- get one if you can find it.

[@michaellarson938]

It was Roddenberry that came up with all the earliest ships with the concept that saucer sections were mass produced and then added to whatever type of ship they wanted. FASA worked hand in hand with Roddenberry shaping the star trek universe together until a falling out that occurred when the next generation came out. Star Trek the role playing game very much helped build and spread the fan base of star trek.

[@chrismanning1171]

Might as well paint the hull of the Farragut officer red.

[@obsidiansands]

The Farragut reminds me of the California Class in Lower Decks.

[@Evillusion]

It looks like a precursor to the USS Cerritos and the California Class

[@onlyhereonceinlife]

The Enterprise is still the flag ship in this possible timeline...

[@DrewLSsix]

The Enterprise was never referred to as the flagship in this era.

[@RememberTheChase]

It's not windows on the top of the sauser, they are just lights. Exactly like the enterprise, actually I think the only thing that makes them different is configuration. It's totally a kitbash.

[@sharonec5419]

Actually they are not lights they are sensors.

[@Killerspieler0815]

@Trek Central - How to survive Starfleet: Do NOT be on an Orberth class ship or a ship named Farragut ( if both applies you might not even survive leaving spacedock)

[@dennisud]

Somehow I knew Adam would get this gig!😉 Love the bravado you give in your narration with a BIT of irony! 🤪

[@TrekCentral]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@jefferywilson456]

If I remember correctly… and I do since I am a book collector and reader… from the 70s on… the Farraget was basically considered a constitution class starship under the command of Captain Stephen Garrovick.

[@aaronsugar7228]

Was there a reason given for the lack of hull markings (ship name/registry number) in the SNW episode?

[@turkeytrac1]

The constitution class parts aren't recycled into other ships. There standardized so it's easier to maintain and repair. We do that with all sorts of machinery.

[@wyveryn2004]

Perhaps you could do a compilation of one off designs in startfleet?

[@Hisinof]

I like this design for the ship, it is a shame it got destroyed but it is still cool non the less.

[@pattrickcatter6494]

It takes a lot of guts to make Star Trek as famous and endearing as it is so it apparently has taken a lot of FarraGUTS to help in it's success. Long life to Star Trek and prospering to the United Federation of Planets. Especially THIS planet. The Enterprising one, Earth !!

[@snowwolvesproductions]

I envision that in the correct time line, the accident spilled over to the saucer section being assembled for (standardized for ease of construction) the USS (any name), and so they repurposed the main saucer section of the USS Farragut to attach to the Constitution class body section instead of the Miranda class body it was slated for. Thus finishing a Constitution class vessel on schedule and temporarily delaying the Miranda class vessel in drydock, and leaving the already named saucer section as Farragut. Problem solved. Your welcome... just list me in the credits for inspiration... :-)

[@ram64man]

Can’t we just say it followed many a good sci-fi and did a modern day kit bash to make it in limited time

[@dixievfd55]

Starfleet uses modular designs so it should not be a surprise that parts are pretty standardized to ease shipbuilding.

[@futo]

I think the nacelles are tucked closer inward to position them away from the phaser bank turrets. So when they're firing it's not going to hit them and also allows the phaser banks to have a larger firing angle...unlike the Nebula class, which I'll never understand why the phaser array twist all the way back and above the nacelles, I just can't see the use if they try to fire backward.

[@sivaschuh4396]

I like the design of the SNW version of the Farragut.

[@robertmoore6149]

"Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" Does seem like a Kirk thing to say

[@mike4999]

I actually liked this show ...

[@scarlet2k189]

I like the design of the Farragut. Does seem like a predecessor of the Cerritos from Lower Decks

[@brianmason2378]

I always believed the Farragut was a Constitution Class

[@GF1045Prime]

In beta canon

[@RealengoPrimordialDemon]

In main canon the Farragut was one of the 12 original constitution class built before de Klingon-Federation war commonly known as the 4 years war.

[@brianmason2378]

Lol guess that shows my age.. back then there was no such thing as beta cannon..only STOS..

[@benw9949]

@@RealengoPrimordialDemon Yes.

[@benw9949]

@@brianmason2378 "beta canon" is a fan term that means sources other than on-screen, especially books, such as the Tech Manual, Concordance, some non-fiction books, blueprints, and potentially the officially-licensed novels, things like Star Trek the New Voyages (2 volumes) and the TOS and TAS novelizations by James Blish and Alan Dean Foster, as well as later novels by Pocket Books. -- So you're fine, you're thinking of the same sources as a fan from back when that's all there was, was TOS and TAS.

[@ChristopherSloane]

The loss of the ship was asort of MEH moment One would think Kirk would be beyond pissed off.

[@FizzleFX]

7:10 *actually* ... one would think the phaser room was fairly well armored since it is an important tactical system?

[@karrackhalcyon8826]

I like the design, as long as they don't try to tell me it's how the Miranda always looked

[@jamesdiehl8690]

Many ships were hurried in building because of wars against Klingons, Romulans,, etc.....

[@thehillbillygamer2183]

It could have a small drop shuttle Bay on the bottom underneath maybe the on the bottom somewhere you know just one and it can have an old school Shadow pod if they got off that Captain Kirk's really proud of because it was off the Enterprise NX class it's part of his personal collection

[@penguinmaster7]

this ship gives off some strong cali-class vibes

[@poomar]

Looks like the shuttle bay is on the top of the saucer, right under the bridge.

[@drunkbillygoat]

Farragut Tennessee is next to Knoxville Tennessee. So now you know Farragut is a place and it exists.

[@SinjinTaidjeKhan]

@1:53 it was a constitution class starship.

[@EvilXero359]

What Paramount should have done sometime early 2010s should have done up an anime series on the forgotten parts and or cut contents that were intended to be seen

[@randybentley2633]

I wonder if the Excelsior version was a new build? The SNW Farragut was indeed an interesting departure from the norms of Starfleet ship design but if those built up Bulldog pylons are all that is keeping from having to do a long walk home then so be it.

[@falconwind00]

Just feel I should point out that Kirk isn’t an flag officer or commander of a fleet, thus Farragut wouldn’t be a “flagship”.

[@bettywing52]

Looks more like the California Class from that animation series than any canon vessel Kirk would have served on.

[@thomashill6347]

I thought the USS Farragut of the 2257 encounter with the gaseous cloud was a Constitution class ONE of the 12 Constitution class fleet of ships

[@benw9949]

Yes, exactly.

[@shanenolan8252]

Yes and i have been having arguments for over a week now of people claiming its not canon .

[@generalilbis]

The USS Farragut that Kirk served on was listed as a Constitution-class in a reference guide or two, but texts like that are considered "beta canon" (aka stuff showrunners or executive producers like Roddenbery or Rick Berman signed off on as official Star Trek...until they changed their minds for story reasons). It's a similar brouhaha that Star Wars went through pre-Disney with issues like 5 different parties being attributed as the ones to steal the DS1 plans that ended up in Leia's hands just before A New Hope because different video games, comics and novels all wanted a piece of event for storytelling purposes. Or the size of the Super Star Destroyer Exceutor varying based on different source material...I remember when it was like approximately 6k-8km long to an Imperial-class' 1.8-2km, but I think it finally finalized on double that at 16km long...

[@thomashill6347]

@@generalilbis thanks for your reply

[@thomashill6347]

@@shanenolan8252 Well we agree THANKS for your reply

[@Bluztaken]

From TOS, U.S.S. Farragut NCC-1647 Constitution Class. From the 1st Star Trek movie, U.S.S. Farragut NCC-1708 Enterprise Class. From a writers imaginings, U.S.S. Farragut [Data Corruption] Kiev Class Frigate (Refitted)

[@DB-hr5xy]

I like this version of the Farragut, and that it would have been a class of ship you would get before you got command of a Constitution Class ship.

[@timhorn3829]

Have you done any research on the constitution class starship defiant captain by Daniel Shelby

[@525Lines]

You mentioned the old PC star trek game. The OLD one. It's probably the first killer app of the PC world, except for maybe the basic compiler. Any early BASIC programming manual has the game.

[@xedanis101]

I am a huge fan of those games. I also still play birth of the federation

[@525Lines]

@@xedanis101 The Star Trek game I mean is from the 70s. Here's a youtube video of it running. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5aqdWZugbmpnqc

[@nicholaswinfield8424]

The USS Farragut was one of 12 constitution class ships in the 1700 series, it was one of four that took part in the M5 wargames incident and was commanded by commodore Robert Wesley.....Kirk served aboard as First officer until the melitus cloud incident which killed most of the crew including Captian Garrovik. Ok, this is an alternative timeline as depicted in SNW's, and of course theres the Kirk plot hole: George Kirk was head of Starfleet Security and was never on the Kelvin (which i will never acknowledge) As for "Flag ship" A flagship is a vessel commanded by an Admiral or higher, Captians do not hold flag rank....If anything the NCC1700 USS Constitution is actually Starfleet's Flagship.

[@alexmuenster2102]

>>USS Farragut was one of 12 constitution class ships in the 1700 series, it was one of four that took part in the M5 wargames incident and was commanded by commodore Robert Wesley

[@alexmuenster2102]

>>one of 12 constitution class ships in the 1700 series

[@DrewLSsix]

@@alexmuenster2102 the registry number thing has always been inconsistent, my explanation is that starfleet would re use names with different reg numbers as seen with the Defiants, but also sometimes re use registry numbers but with different names. Presumably in both cases as a means to honor ships crews and missions from the past. That 10xx series registry number may have belonged to a notable ship so it was applied to a later ship in commemoration. In the case of the Enterprise line we see a rare instance of both name and registry number being used together over multiple ships, thus requiring an extra designator (bloody A B C or D) to keep the records clear. The weird one though is the Korelev with kts 2014 number, the 20xx series started with the Excelsior... Maybe they have multiple registry schemes running in parallel?

[@nicolasbazzano2028]

It’s not twelve, it’s fourteen including the Farragut and Valiant, and they’re referred to as “Starships” not Constitution Class ships, meaning you can still have the original 12 “1700 Series” Constitutions without the Farragut or Valiant. And the Farragut was absolutely not involved in the M5 experiment/battle from the Ultimate Computer.

[@RobertP-zk8vh]

in the tos manual the Farragut was a constitution class

[@jacoby1234ification]

Captain Pike could avoid his fate by just stepping down after he dodges the accident in the training accident and just retire from Starfleet and never to reenter service and he could make a new life on Tolis

[@joeswanson733]

any change in teh timeline spock dies.

[@NatashaEstrada]

@@joeswanson733 If you think about it Spock dies anyways so maybe future Pike is misinterpreting his role in Spock dying. It's more Spock has to die in a very specific way and time in order to be revived on the Genesis planet. Means Kirk has to be in command in order to encounter Khan and then strand him on Alpha Ceti V. Kirk is as much a part of this as Pike.

[@KertaDrake]

Farragut may be a name that brings trouble for starships, but at least it isn't as cursed as the name Saratoga. The name Saratoga is like putting on a red shirt before the away mission! The only other name to rival them, however, is Icarus. That name is cursed across multiple franchises!

[@tmutant]

4:57 Perhaps it uses a drop bay ala NX-01 Enterprise.