The Weird Sonic Generations Character Placements

Today I wanted to talk about Sonic Generations' Character statues.
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[@jerryxpgaming4682]

I can accept cream in speed highway just because she was hiding in the alley of station square.

[@conradojavier7547]

Plus Cream herself had an Easter Egg Cameo in SA DX.

[@untiposinideas3145]

i would have put amy in rooftop run tbh

[@Mitsuraga]

Well, not in the Dreamcast original, but yeah.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

Only in DX, tho. Which is NOT the original version of SA1.

[@lionocyborg6030]

That was crappy remaster for Gamecube & modern platformsDX only, not the original. Not the only time Sega based Generations stage decisions for SA1+2 on the wrong versions.

[@bubby-fi9mc]

I feel like Cream makes sense for Adventure because of Cheese, and the Chao’s origins.

[@conradojavier7547]

& Chaos himself was a Mutated Chao.

[@GamerBoyDevin]

Plus the Cream cameo when you come out of the casino

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@@GamerBoyDevin Only in DX.

[@iceman92211]

I’m surprised you guys even care about Cream in the first place since this game doesn’t have any story and doesn’t do anything with her.

[@scanchannel3259]

@@iceman92211 Cream is precious.

[@GUNUFofficial]

Bruh elise wouldnt even remember sonic they'd look at eachother awkwardly like "who tf are you" and sonic would just walk away.

[@thesupersucc4966]

Well sonic is actually one of the only characters that remembers what happened in 06

[@graftongazaway]

Didn't that smile that Elise give in the ending imply that she remembered too or am I looking to far into this?

[@scanchannel3259]

@@thesupersucc4966 Proof?

[@pain4334]

"time monster man"💀💀

[@Shiro_Zark]

Why does that feel like something Chip would say? Lol

[@hamzamohamed6774]

Just like Mr monster guy ​@@Shiro_Zark

[@hamzamohamed6774]

0:26

[@pain4334]

@@Shiro_Zark you're right lol 😂

[@TiburonDrogado-ls2iz]

By the way, Big the Cat was actually originally gonna be in Sonic Generations as his voice actor, Kyle Hebert, has confirmed that he did record lines for him in this game but got removed from the final game for unknown reasons.

[@MarioKartGamerDude]

Wait really?

[@TiburonDrogado-ls2iz]

@@MarioKartGamerDude Yes really, that's why you can still see Kyle's name in the credits despite Big's absence from the game.

[@KrissyBlues]

Couldn't you put Amy in Rooftop Run since she's in Spagonia with Professor Pickle for most of Unleashed, and then keep the cameo connection for Cream in Speed Highway? Especially since Chao debuted in Sonic Adventure 1 so Cheese fits there too

[@thevioletskull8158]

ah good ponit

[@slimgrim3607]

the metal sonic boss fight is placed directly above the chemcial plant zone stage so thats why amy is there.

[@KrissyBlues]

@@slimgrim3607 Yea I honestly feel like everyone's original positions were fine, I'm just saying if we're gonna change em up anyways I feel like this works better than the alternative

[@egateqa1351]

@@slimgrim3607Plus Tails Amy & Knuckles were basically the three main characters. Or that’s at least what SEGA believes them to. Be.

[@egateqa1351]

I also am fine with how the characters are positioned… even if Vector & Charmey are rescued in the Modern Era while Espio’s in the Dreamcast Era. But for the characters being rescued. I like how it represents the supporting cast of each era. Mostly. Like, Tails, Amy, and Knuckles have been around since the Classic games. Cream, Rouge, and Espio became fan favorites by the time of the Dreamcast Era. And Blaze, Vector, and Charmey were becoming recurring cast members in the Modern Games.

[@MegaSombra]

8:00 she also pulls out an ice cream cone for her idle animation in Advance 2 so it fits

[@michaelkindt3288]

I would have picked professor pickles for rooftop run, since I could realistically see him showing up to Sonic's birthday. It's quite clear that they picked the characters first, and then assigned them to stages.

[@jskywalker58]

well unfortuately this game out during when sega was really deadset on trying erase humans from the series, so there was no chance of professor pickle appearing here

[@niwi7642]

If i had to reshuffle them, i would do it like that: Green Hill -> Vector (Band Concept Art) Chemical Plant -> Tails (Game of Origin) Sky Sanctuary -> Knux (Game of Origin) Speed Highway -> Cream and Cheese (Chaos are a huge Part of SA1's Story + its the Origin of the so beloved Chao Garden) City Escape -> Rouge (Game of Origin) Seaside Hill -> Espio Crisis City -> Blaze (first Mainline appearence) Rooftop Run -> Amy (you encounter her in Spagonia) Planet Wisp -> Charmy (You encounter him there in Colours DS) What will be interesting, is how Shadow Generations could add Characters, that didnt got the Cut or even bring back DEAD Characters We know, that in the Trailer, Omega stands around the Space Colony Ark entrance at some point, but just for fun: Space Colony Ark -> Emerl (Was also on the Ark with Shadow, Maria and Gerald) Radical Highway -> Maria (Game of Origin and bigger Role here than in Shadow 05) Rail Canyon -> Omega (Game of Origin) (Potential Shadow 05 Stage) -> Gerald Robotnik (bigger Role here than in SA2) Kingdom Valley -> Elise (Game of Origin + i expect Mephiles to be a Boss/Rival Battle) Sunset Hights -> Infinite (Game of Origin, but i would prefer him to be a Boss/Rival Battle tbh) Chaos Island -> Big (Frontiers Fishing Minigame)

[@beatziegraham6928]

But Sonic Rush was Blaze’s first mainline appearance. Rush is cannon. (Unless I don’t know what mainline means)

[@zebrafish7497]

If you could save maria in shadow generations, then I'd expect it to be close to the end of the game tbh, it just seems like shadow getting to atleast talk to maria would be near the ending since shes been dead for a while

[@CaptBlock]

@@zebrafish7497 You find her and she's just a skeleton

[@CaptBlock]

@@beatziegraham6928 None of the mainline games are on handheld systems. I believe "mainline" refers to Sonic 1, CD, 2, 3&K, Adventure, Adventure 2, Heroes, Unleashed, Colors, Generations, Lost World, Mania, Forces, Frontiers, Superstars, and Shadow Generations. I'm not sure if Shadow (2005) and '06 are considered mainline, and who defines what the term encapsulates.

[@niwi7642]

@@beatziegraham6928 I dont consider Rush as a Mainline Game (You can if you want to, there is no clear definition) When i was talking about Mainline Games, i was refering to the "big Sonic Games" (S1, SCD, S2, S3&K, SA1, SA2, Heroes, 06, Unleashed, Colors, Generations, LW, Forces and Frontiers) As you said, Rush is Canon, but i wouldnt consider it a Mainline Game What i personaly like to use, to refer to Games that seem Canon but are not Mainline Games, is the term "Semi-Mainline Games" (Canon Games, that arent the "Big Sonic Games") These would include: KC, Mania, Superstars, Advance, Advance 2, Battle, Advance 3, Shadow05, Rush, Rush Adventure, Secret Rings and Black Knight

[@Mari_Izu]

Heroes' Chaotix are basically new characters barely based on their 32X's counterparts, so we can say Espio debuted in Heroes.

[@RayaneBslm]

Love how this was uploaded the same minute as sf productions's vid that happens to be adout generations

[@Foxyfzfann]

FRR

[@RayaneBslm]

@@Foxyfzfann yup, exactly 10 pm in my contry

[@greensoda123]

Ok here's my idea Green Hill: Sonic rescues some small animals like he did back than talking about how its been a long time since hes done that. Chemical Plant: Sonic rescues Tails And possibly he could have also rescued Amy during the Metal Sonic race as a callback to Sonic CD

[@extremmefan7305]

... I think I like the basegame's deep cuts better than your choices honestly. Tails being at the end of Green Hill, which appears in both of the first two handheld Sonic games including his first ever appearance Sonic 2 (8-bit) where he was literally kidnapped, as well as the narrative point of getting him first to help make sense of the narrative, makes a ton of sense to me. For Amy, not only does CD not have a stage, it does however have a rival that's available right after Chemical Plant afaik, which makes it interesting that she's once again this close to the Metal Sonic race in Speed Highway again (only this time she's gotten BEFORE it). And yea, both CD and 2 were developped to be sequels, but also she's in the most industrial "Classic" zone, which makes sense with zones like Stardust Speedway, Wacky Workbench, and pretty much all the "Bad Future" versions of every zone from CD. Them placing Cream in Speed Highway as a reference to the Adventure DX cameos is really satisfying imo, far more than trying to connect her to Chip just to justify placing her in Rooftop Run instead. And since all the others then make basic sense, I have no issue with having Vector in Rooftop Run because, well, where else would you put a detective agency if not in good old Europe? They're some of the closests to being just average civilians in the main cast, and it's not like Unleashed featured much of the animal cast. (I also think time being screwed up... wouldn't be enough to bring Chip back. He's a godly character, you'd have to force him out of his millenia-long slumber by waking up Dark Gaia as well, who seems to be a nonissue even in Rooftop Run as a stage, so the Time Eater... *somehow* brought back Iblis but *not* Dark Gaia)

[@TheRedGoon]

I feel like as far as Amy's spot, they could have had her be rescued when you beat the Metal Sonic boss, considering it takes place in Stardust Speedway and all. As for Sonic 1 reps, I could have seen the little animal characters being rescued as a batch. They are what Sonic used to rescue all the time back in the day. That would have left room for Tails to be in Chemical Plant instead of Amy.

[@yvng_hero305]

Would be a cool throaway easter egg like if like vector was playing key board and sonic walks in saying something, “wow you still play?” That would be legitness

[@Cri_Jackal]

Sonic having been part of a band with Vector pre Sonic 1 _would_ be a welcome addition to the canon.

[@yvng_hero305]

@@Cri_Jackal yeah sonics suppozed to be a teen but we dont get alot of teen moments from him. Especially fronteirs. His character felt a bit too mature

[@Hynotama]

Cream made an appearance in Station Square (as a cameo, flying around the city) and Speed Highway is the level representation of the Station Square city. So yes, Cream in Station Square actually makes sense. I don’t think she appears in the Dreamcast version of Sonic Adventure, but I think it’s safe to say that Sega wants us to take SADX and SA2B as the definitive, canon versions of these games.

[@Ryan_the_Baller]

Cream in speed high way makes sense because sometimes you might see cream flying around station square

[@kirbyofthestarsfan]

I'm glad you ended up covering all of the things I was gonna mention lol, from the SADX cameo of Cream, Amy fitting well if rearranged into Speed Highway, or Vector predating every single character of this cast lol

[@lionocyborg6030]

Vector was also going to be in Sonic 1 itself as the DJ for the Sound Test screen, much like Amy is in Sonic Advance where she plays maracas along to the songs you pick. However, he was cut from the game as far as I know so the sound test is a generic one.

[@koolaid33]

Personally I think the bigger issue was not providing cool stages to match the characters better. Imagine an actual Knuckle's Chaotix stage where Sonic and Tails have to use that stupid ring to beat both the 3D and 2D stages and by doing that, they unlock the entire Chaotix team instead of just Espio? Or Amy got a Sonic CD themed stage, where you could actually flip the signs and travel into the past or into the future in the 2D stage, and in the 3D stage you were forced to go into the future and into the past to beat it? Would've been awesome. How about Cream representing Sonic Heroes, and in there you join forces with Tails and Knuckles to form Team Sonic and rescue Cream? Just thoughts, but I don't know I think this would've been neat. It probably would've been difficult to learn these new gameplay styles on the fly though, so maybe it's a bad idea.

[@cyrusdrawsstuff4592]

Sonic has 9 friends. SEGA needed 9 stages for rescuing each friend. It's not that complicated to think about. 🤷‍♂️😅

[@iceman92211]

Yeah he has 9 friends and yet none of them are playable and he doesn’t care if they die or not.

[@secoTheSonicFan]

Thankyou

[@secoTheSonicFan]

I'm so glad one normal human is here

[@thepuppet3000]

i love how kiro just talks about random crap like this its Great and somehow entertaining.

[@TheFatestPat]

Sonic, you need to invite the historically correct friends to your next birthday party

[@lerdog]

lol

[@nightspawnson-of-luna4936]

I guess they had Tails saved from Green Hills because he's basically sonic's best bud, so I imagine Sonic would prioritize saving him first, also since you'd have played through classic Green Hills when you start the game, Tails is basically saved after the very first level... Also regarding the chemical plant zone thing, they do kind of acknowledge it, because Tails doesn't imediately recognize Green Hills, but he does recognize Chemical Plant Zone... As for why Amy is in there? I...have no Idea...Maybe because the Metal Sonic boss is in the Chemical Plant Zone section? and they just don't have a CD stage aside from that? As for Cream in SA1, I'd go with a) a lot of people mentioned that it was the origin of the chao... I'd also probably through in that even if she debuted in advance, she just... kinda feels like she fits in better with the Adventure era levels, (That just gets me thinking that they should have had levels based on the handheld games for the handheld port of Generations) Also if we're using the 'Beta character design' thing as a reason for vector as green hills, then couldn't you also do Cream, since sonic was originally supposed to be a rabbit

[@sparkshepherd5073]

Ok, but an extra argument for amy in Chemical plant is that just right above her is the metal sonic rival fight in stardust speedway

[@lance2580]

That, and the fact that _Sonic CD_ was meant to be _Sonic 2._

[@lionocyborg6030]

Blaze never died in New Sonic: she used chaos control to teleport back to her home dimension: she told silver to do it but he refused as he didn’t want to lose his only friend so she did it herself. It was rendered pointless in the end as Mephiles changed the past by freeing Iblis in a place he wanted to remerge with him: by him killing Sonic just to make Elise cry & thus break the seal. This caused Iblis to be forcefully removed from Blaze & sync with his past self. We never hear him say it but he was less than happy at his more violent (in some ways) twin from ruining the peace he finally found, until Super Sonic, Shadow & Silver did to Solaris Himself what the former had previously done to Chaos.

[@iceman92211]

If She didn’t die then why did you turn into a ghost before flying ?

[@lionocyborg6030]

@@iceman92211 She didn’t become a ghost, she was warping away slower than normal for the purpose of saying a dramatic goodbye to Silver. Tikal & Chaos did the same thing at the end of SA1 & both are alive: they just warped to the pocket dimension inside the Master Emerald where they’d been since Tikal stopped him the first time around. The power of the emerald granted her either a sort of energy being form or some kind of Psionic projection and/or teleportation, hence her ball of light form. This is evidenced by both being alive & well in Sonic Adventure 2 as multiplayer characters. We just don’t see them in single player as they’re unimportant in that story, minus Perfect Chaos inspiring Robotnik’s designs for the Biolizard.

[@iceman92211]

@@lionocyborg6030 OK first of all I’m surprised that you even care about the other characters and continuity because this game makes it seem like you don’t even care about stories or characters in the franchise other than Sonic being fast. Second nope I’m pretty sure she died because she’s very clearly transparent in that scene which itself means that she is a ghost, which itself also means that she is dead while the other character stuff are more magical things than dying.

[@lionocyborg6030]

@@iceman92211 First, why wouldn’t I care about other characters? I always cared about other characters besides Sonic as Sonic X, Pinball Party & Advance 3, while not my first Sonic (that was Sonic R) were the first I owned & got me hooked thanks to their stories. Second, NO. You are wrong and I am right. Transparent does not mean she’s a ghost. Look at Sonic’s friends in Sonic Frontiers: they’re transparent in the exact same way & still alive: they’re just peering through barriers into our world to communicate as the rest of them was in cyberspace. Blaze was a similar case minus the digital world: it’s more she was peering out of Xen or slip space on her way to the Sol dimension. Ever heard of holograms?

[@iceman92211]

@@lionocyborg6030 first well it’s simply because it’s really rare to find someone actually discuss continuity and facts about characters on this specific game because most of the time this game is just talked about for the gameplay, reused levels, classic Sonic and graphics, btw it’s cool that you actually love Sonic X just like me. Second once again, you’re wrong, because what I said about Blaze is that she was using magic with the emeralds to make herself die while the characters in frontiers are not technically dead they are just being turned into holograms that are glitchy and not being ghosts, so yeah, Blaze’s case is extremely different here.

[@koolooc726]

NAH never return Elise, id rather have all the characters statue make no sense Ngl your choices feel wayyyy more like a stretch, Ice CREAM? 😭

[@ghostspider2056]

Depends how she’s written, don’t make her constantly kidnapped throughout most of the story and exclude any romantic implications between Sonic and her. In fact why not make Elise already married with a kid?

[@lerdog]

@@ghostspider2056 at this point you just created a whole new character

[@ghostspider2056]

@@lerdog She’d still have the same design and personality, just the story around her done better to hopefully redeem her. A lot of characters in the series had a bit of regression until recently improved. Same could be done for Elise.

[@lightyearpig12]

I think Vector being the first character you rescue in Green Hill Zone makes sense since he was the first one to theorize that the Time Eater isn't acting alone, foreshadowing that Eggman and Robotnik were controlling the beast.

[@Ness_and_Sonic]

Rooftop Run looks like a party's going on. Those headphones and that chain necklace make Vector look like he'd enjoys a good party. That might be why they picked him for that stage.

[@hiddenflare6169]

This is something people could complain about, but you realize (as you do in the video) they really didn’t have much choice. Their position make enough sense if you ask me, main characters first, then side characters… Only one who does stand out is Blaze, as she was a full main character for two games and had a bigger role in another. Still it’s fine. As for your order, I would swipe Amy and Cream, as Amy was in Unleashed as her latest game (not including black knight and colors DS) and Cream had her DX cameos. Overall fine vid. Glad you didn’t just go and say “LETS MAKE WHOLE NEW STAGES TO FOX THIS MINOR ISSUE!” As that the type of thing peeps suggest doing when it sounds like they have no idea how this works. Nice work.

[@erikbihari3625]

Wait, wouldn't Tails for emerald hill,and amy for metallic madness make more sense? Seemingly remember those being the zones where they've meet sonic! Correct case being wrong everyone.

[@numberjacksoctonauts7138]

When I did my Sonic Generations rewrite, this is what I did. Green Hill - N/A *Egg wreaking ball boss* Chimerical Plant - Tails *Motobug boss* Collision Chaos (Classic S. only) - Amy *Metal Sonic boss* Sky Sanctuary - Knuckles *Knuckles boss* Launch Base (Classic S. only) - Big *Death Egg Robot boss* (Kind of a reference to Big randomly showing up in Sonic Adventure 2) Speed Highway - Omega (a reference to Sonic fighting Gamma in SA1) *Omega boss* Blue Ridge (Modern S. only) - Cream *Chaos boss* (Chao debut in SA1, you acquire Chao in Sonic Chronicles, and Blue Ridge is near Station Square where you fight Perfect Chaos) City Escape - Rouge *Egg Hammer Tank II boss* Space Gadget (Modern S. only) - Shadow *Shadow boss* Seaside Hill - Espio (Chaotix modern appearance) *Hydro Egg Robo boss* Altitude Limit (Modern S. only) - Blaze *Blaze boss fight* Crisis City - Silver *Iblis boss fight* Rooftop Run - Marine *Ghost Kraken Boss* (Kind of a stretch, but like Chip, Marine is an idealistic childlike character) Music Plant (Modern S. only) - Vector *Egg Dragoon Boss* (Vector likes music, so this level fit well) Planet Whisp - Charmy *Egg Falcon Boss*

[@G3rsonn]

I legit thought you put Vector in GHZ just because he's green

[@BonitoJoe111]

Why was Vector was in Rooftop Run? What to the Werehog and Vector have in common? Big strong dudes with gravely voices but are nice guys. Why was Charmy was in Planet Wisp? What do Wisps and Charmy have in common? Small flying creatures that zoom around. Seems fitting

[@t-bird6853]

Now talk about the actual character statues, the ones you unlock by inputting codes. Also, the title made me think you had some problem with the actual poses the characters are in when they're frozen.

[@egateqa1351]

I can understand Tails being in Green Hill, considering that Green Hill and Emerald Hill are kinda similar levels, plus there has been crossover games and handheld Sonic Games where Tails is in Green Hill Zone. Like Sonic Battle, or Sonic Chronicles, or SEGA Superstars Tennis, or Tails & the Music Maker, or Sonic Drift. What I don’t get is how Tails forgot about Green Hill Zone. Amy being in Chemical Plant does fit as Classic Metal Sonic can be found in the Chemical Plant portion of the white space hub world. And since Amy and Metal Sonic first appeared in Sonic CD, it made sense for Amy to stand in the same area where Metal is located. As you said, Cream appeared in Sonic Adventure’s DX Port as an NPC, which is why she’s freed in Speed Highway.

[@WooFooBattlefield]

6:29 In paper it sounds great, but there's a problem for all of them: they're either just one-off characters for their respective games that bringing them for a Multiverse of Madness-like appearance would feel off or... *they're the most polarizing characters from the most polarizing games ever made in the series* (Big can be an exception since he's turned into a random guy nowadays, and some general criticism of said games has changed)

[@Shagaru_Bleed]

A random who appears in a jail cell, my backyard, my roof... He's Goro Majima, dude... He's everywhere.

[@johnathonmcjohn3]

i think they picked vector cus his body shape is kinda simular to the werehog

[@fabianugalde3789]

I think it's more because he was the last character of the main cast, they chose that had to be shoehorned somewhere

[@shinyocelot04archive]

How I would fix the characters goes as follows: Have it that modern Sonic is saved by completing Green Hill Act 1. Gives Classic some story significance by helping him out. Tails for Chemical Plant because that's his debut game. Knuckles and Sky Sanctuary stay the same. Keep Cream at Speed Highway because of her cameos in Sonic Adventure DX as well as the importance of the chao in that game. Even though Rogue is a weird pick for City Escape, City Escape was the most popular Adventure 2 stage on that poll Sega made so we'll leave it as is. Have the entirety of Team Chaotix saved from Seaside Hill. This references the teams in Heroes and highlights when they had the most significance aside from Knuckles Chaotix. Blaze from Crisis City is a tricky one. Sonic 06 essentially erased itself from canon at the end of the game, so it's weird to have that one here. Perhaps have a Sonic Rush stage and just keep Crisis City around for Silver's fight? Amy for Rooftop Run I feel makes sense because we see her wandering around Spagonia and in some cutscenes there. I would've preferred having a Sonic CD stage for her but this is what we have. Planet Wisp is another oddball given how none of Sonic's friends are important to the plot of Colors. They show up for side missions in the DS version but that's it. I'd either have Orbot and Cubot be saved and they know where Eggman is, or have Yacker be the one saved from there.

[@CrimsonSkyLine]

In a perfect world, they'd choose to have a more complicated and compelling story, & we'd see cameos such as Tikal & chaos, E-102 Gamma, the Babylon rouges, Chip.... but sadly that ain the case.

[@champagnesupernova1839]

sonic fans will argue about anything huh

[@champagnesupernova1839]

to add my two cents (as I am a sonic fan and as such I must argue), I think sonic generations kinda sucks actually

[@Stimpleton98]

They should’ve brought back E-102 Gamma for Speed Highway. He debuted in Sonic Adventure and so did the stage it represents, it it makes a lot of sense. Edit: Cream and Cheese would be moved into a new stage ironically representing Shadow the Hedgehog (2005).

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Big, Elise and Chip would’ve been great and neat additions for their respective stages and debut games

[@silveramyknux241]

Tails is the main partner character, so it makes sense he’s saved first. Amy and Vector’s placements just kinda there because they had nowhere else to put them. Cream & Cheese appeared in SA1 DX as a cameo, flying around the hub. Charmy was in Planet Wisp in Sonic Colors DS. They don’t make sense at first glance, but if you are a Sonic nerd and also know that not all characters could fit their slots, it makes sense.

[@lance2580]

Amy being rescued in Chemical Plant could be a reference to the development of _Sonic CD,_ as that game was intended to be the _Sonic 2,_ but development shenanigans occurred, and the Genesis Game developed by the U.S. branch ended up being the _Sonic 2_ we got, and _Sonic CD_ was kind of a side game for a console accessory.

[@silveramyknux241]

@@lance2580 Maybe, but it probably is also just, “We gotta get one of our main characters from the Classic era saved first. So we gotta have Amy in Chemical Plant since it’s the only other place we got for her.”

[@blackdot105]

Cream also could represent the Chao. The Chao were introduced in Sonic Adventure, and she's known for them.

[@snowtin2314]

Cream could also make sense for Unleashed because there are a couple of side stages where you have to rescue Chao. Sure, ice cream's funnier, but to me the Chao collection stuff is a better reason

[@comicfan1324]

I can’t help but feel like they just didn’t have a fit for Vector so they just threw him into rooftop run.

[@ingothasnolife8040]

I think Amy also works for Speed Highway because SA1 is where her Modern Design debut in.

[@cabinboycott]

i fr thought your explanation for vector in green hill zone was going to be "he's green"

[@Sly88Frye]

I'm glad you brought up creams appearances in Sonic adventure DX. Sadly I never completed Sonic generations for whenever I played it I didn't play that much of it because I ended up being interrupted by other things I had to do and I just kind of forgot to finish the game. So I didn't really know where any of the other characters were. Just tails Amy and knuckles. As soon as you mentioned that cream was at speed highway I automatically thought about her appearances in Sonic adventure DX

[@iceman92211]

Yeah it’s great that they brought her back but they still didn’t do anything with her so that’s not something to be proud about.

[@bumblebee4791]

I'll say this amys first playable game was sonic drift and one of the first stages u play is green hill zone so having her in green hill zone does make sense and it's a fun reference to that

[@Blue_skittle6]

I mean big is everywhere

[@secoTheSonicFan]

The characters were captured and may not necessarily fall in an area they first met Sonic. Infact logic says they should fall in random places

[@wolfzend5964]

Personally, I think Amy should be saved after the Metal Sonic battle. More theatrical.

[@Zippy_Zolton]

This is why Colours DS is canon

[@Pufftarot]

I don't think Chip or Elise would make much sense, since Sonic and Elise never met after they blew out Solaris' flame, and Chip is literally one with the planet as some energy being and shouldn't wake up for a thousand years. Big is a no brainer though. Amy would work for Unleashed I guess? She had her 'date' arc in it, and she was the only character other than Tails and Sonic that's a mobian or whatever the hell they're called now. Shuffle Tails to Sonic 2 and have classic tails be in Sonic 1 or vice versa. That way it moves the plot along and also they can get away with not having a rep for one of the games.

[@jacksonnunberg2528]

A better connection between Cream (and Cheese) and Sonic Unleashed would be the Chao missions (at least in the HD versions)

[@peteypiranalover]

Amy in Speed Highway,........one of the levels she couldnt access......suuuuure

[@AquaVerve]

Bro.... This is what keeps it from being a 10 and not the final boss?

[@comedyskitrehman6001]

Super Mario Bros (1985) World 1 Save: Luigi Super Mario Bros 2 Lost Level (1986) World 2 Save: Peach Super Mario Bros 3 (1988) Desert Land Save: Toad Super Mario World (1990) Chocolate Island Save: Yoshi Super Mario 64 (1996) Hazy Maze Cave Save: Birdo Super Mario Sunshine Bianco Hills Save: Daisy Super Mario Galaxy (2007) Battle Rock Save: Rosalina New Super Mario Bros Wii (2009) World 3 Save: Diddy Kong Super Mario Galaxy 2 (2010) Fluffy Bluffs Save: Toadette

[@alonsofarias9814]

I have my own version of the characters Green hill: Classic Sonic: he was atacked by tme eater after his first level so i think it makes sense he is the first one to be saved Chemical plant: Classic tails Seaside hills: the entire team chaotix Rooftop run: Amy Rose Planet wisp: Modern Tails The rest of the cast is fine by me

[@conradojavier7547]

There is a legit reason why Cream & Cheese are the SA1 Representative, cuz She Cameo in it's Update.

[@Mari_Izu]

Don't you watch the videos you comment on?

[@Soinc.]

This reminds me, Big doesn't show up anywhere in the game, only as a statue in the secret room and nowhere else, did he get lost going to the party? Are they implying that he ended up on Shadow's side of white space(that would kinda be funny and believable actually)

[@Robolav1]

Nah it makes sense Amy is in Chemical Plant cus she’s toxic

[@xanderac]

It would have been very funny to have princess Elise since she would be look even more out of place at the party cutscene eating chili dogs lol

[@UtSonicAM_NavySketcher]

NO WAY I JUST GOT CREAM AND VECTOR'S REFERENCES DHUSJKNBJ

[@AitherDen]

bro he rearranged the characters but made half of the spots worst than the last

[@gizmoanimation7076]

I feel like the reason creams in speed highway because she is a Easter egg in sonic adventure dx

[@graftongazaway]

I feel if they added more Characters AND Stages the problem could be at least a bit fixed

[@secoTheSonicFan]

Tails, Amy, and Knuckles would of been introduced early regardless of stage order

[@Adamm17-iq9gu]

I feel like the way you save Amy should’ve been after the Metal Sonic boss fight

[@iceman92211]

So Amy playable ?

[@obamacare9706]

Sonic CD is the best sonic game

[@z.a.k.e.n.3901]

no, it's not. it's *THE WRITING* (DUN DUN DUNNNNN)

[@michaelkindt3288]

@8:11-.-I can't wait for the Sonic mobile games to introduce Ice Cream.

[@TheRealKyoni]

Here's why I think the games character placement make sense Tails in Green Hill will make sense when we take a look at the next character Amy in Chemical Plant doesn't really make sense at first, even if you swap her with Tails it wouldn't make sense for her but if you look at 2 & CDs release dates you'll see that Amy debuted in a game after Tails so really 4:02 it's not that deep Knuckles' placement checks out and with that you have all the classic characters in the Classic Era Cream in Speed Highway you could say makes sense because she did debut around that time, you could also say this 4:46 but I choose not to because there's one character you straight up neglected AND I'M CALLING YOU OUT ON IT (jk not serious) and that was Cheese, since Cheese is a chao it makes sense for then to be in Speed Highway because chao appeared in Adventure Rouges placement checks out Espio in Seaside Hill makes sense. Now really any other member if Team Chaotix would've made sense but Espio was the best decision and I'll talk about why later. This concludes the Dreamcast Era (or the Gamecube Era since all those games did release on that system) Blazes placement checks out And now for the final 2 characters As I said before, you could've chose any member of Team Chaotix for Seaside Hill but now here's why Espio was the best pick for that level Vector in Rooftop Run makes sense when you think about it because it's a city level and Vector has some bling bling and a pair of headphones. He just looks like a character that would appear in that type of environment because of his design Charmy in Planet Wisp makes sense when you look at kind of the same philosophy as Vector's placement. Charmy's a bee and his species typically live in environments with foliage. And while you could say this 5:33 , I'm dismissing it cause i'm petty about you forgetting about Cheese. Also I don't think they had the handheld version of Colors in mind

[@Oceane1803]

Oh yeah the problem that prevents Generations from being perfect isn't that the story sucks, nah it's the character placements. The story is juuust fine. Yeah no it's not.

[@iceman92211]

No offense, but this game is anything but a 10 out of 10, since it doesn’t have much to do with it, and it has no Story, and it made every character dump cheerleaders, and it completely made the franchise into an even more confusing mess and honestly in my opinion I don’t like the fact that they chose to completely ignore the Adventure gameplay exist, and chose to pretend that the boost to win gameplay is the only 3D gameplay to ever exist because isn’t this game supposed to be for “ all fans “ when the reality it’s only for classic and boost to win fans.

[@Kookie_13_]

Tails - who else? Amy - c doesn’t have a stage and 2 doesn’t have a character since tails is already used Knuckles - yay Cream - could be big but cream is more important and the side mission in speed highway that she is in looks kinda like route 99 but she needed to be put somewhere and sa1 cream cameos Rouge - sa2 Espio - detective agency Blaze - Sonic 06 jumpscare Vector he needed to be put somewhere and again who else, they aren’t bringing pack chip or professor pickle😔 Charmy - was the character you meet first in planet wisp on the ds version

[@keelanbarron928]

....none of the new character placements make sense.

[@ThomasRyanProductions]

While I see where you're coming from, I do think the character placements make enough sense. What I don't get though is why is Vector in Rooftop Run and Espio is in Seaside Hill. Shouldn't the face of the Chaotix be the one to represent the game they returned in?

[@ThemultiverseTraveler]

That would make sense. But I do feel like Espio representing the game where the chaotix agency is founded makes sense because in the Japanese manual for knuckles chaotix it states that he is a detective. Meaning he’s been doing it the longest. And is possibly the reason the chaotix were re-imagined into the detective agency in the first place.

[@ThomasRyanProductions]

That's interesting to note! But I do feel Espio fits Rooftop Run better. Having the ninja being the one to represent running on top of buildings feels kind of right, you know? But I do get your point, and it is an interesting detail.

[@silveramyknux241]

Your rearrangements are pretty cool. Mostly because of Vector.

[@dachezyoutubin441]

i thought i saw cream while playing sonic adventure!

[@comicfan1324]

OK, hear me out here, I think the person you free in Green Hill… should have been CLASSIC SONIC. Think about it, after you beat act 1, Classic Sonic is captured by the time eater, so why not have him be the frozen statue who is that free once modern sonic restores Green Hill to its former glory? From there, I would move Tails to Chemical Plant & Amy would be freed once you defeat Metal Sonic to tie her in with Sonic CD. As for the others, although they’re not all perfect, particularly Vector, I think they are serviceable as is. Heck, if the story is good enough, they could lean into how bizarre it is for someone like vector to be sent to rooftop run and have that be assigned that time is being displaced even further as some people are being sent to places they’ve never even been.

[@secoTheSonicFan]

No. Classic Sonic would not need to be saved from Green Hill

[@Matagu1]

I wish Sky Babylon in 3D for Blaze!

[@jonathanhusk6590]

They needed to put Vector somewhere

[@mattanatior3484]

Really trying to use a pun to justify cream...?

[@mcnuggwtscreations]

I see no issue, It doesn't effect the gameplay.

[@RenasMayi]

What is the Name of the background music that kiro plays?

[@APlumCZ]

Ugly Ahh Classic sonic look is bigger problem i think

[@MapleVoltage-bh6mm]

I like to look at it this way: Vector is the power type and so is the Werehog. Spagonia is reminiscent to Italy and I saw Vector as a mob boss in a way. As for Amy, Chemical Plant and Stardust Speedway look similar since you fight Metal Sonic there.

[@ThemultiverseTraveler]

I do like most of the final placements. I’d just switch cream and Amy. Cream has cheese because of the chao and Amy was actually in unleashed. Unlike cream (so less of a stretch then ice cream)

[@Blocky4evah]

Ngl i just think they shoudlve added PalmTree Panic for amy

[@vampires4life]

crazy 2 think chaotix r classic characters, need a remake so bad

[@graftongazaway]

For Chemical Plant there is a Metal Sonic Boss in Stardust Speedway so that sorta justifies Amy's placement, but not enough for me to be OK with it, JUST MAKE A SONIC CD LEVEL YOU COWARDS

[@Echolovania]

The moment I heard you choose Vector for Green Hill, my first thought was, "Hold on chat, bro's cooking."

[@portalgaming8057]

I don't see why this is such a problem. Sonic Generations is one of my most favourite video games ever made and is by far the best 2011 game with little contest.

[@iceman92211]

Have you played any actual good game If you think that this is your favorite one ?

[@portalgaming8057]

@@iceman92211 I have other great games which released in 2011 like Rayman Origins and Just Dance 3. If you want a bad game from 2011, Portal 2 is the worst 2011 game with no contest whatsoever.

[@iceman92211]

@@portalgaming8057 is that all what you played from 2011 ?

[@portalgaming8057]

@@iceman92211 I've played some games from 2011, but not too many. Do you like the games I mentioned or not?

[@iceman92211]

@@portalgaming8057 I never played any of these games so I can’t really say my opinion on any of them.

[@xdptwin1]

What is your favorite Sonic game? I love Sonic Adventure 2 on the GameCube growing up

[@Kirby_1653]

Idk why this annoys me because he doesn’t know a thing but honestly Charmeys a bee and in sonic colours ds and vector makes no sense

[@henrystickminfan2]

8:36 lemme guess, the unused sonic band?

[@DAsethShowYT]

Unless Mario fans and picky sonic fans start Finding ways to hate on this game 9:48