Nice to see the VF Aussie commodore on the channel.
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
Yes strong vehicle
@jamestorrens64525 күн бұрын
It's worth mentioning that Holden did a lot of work altering the Insignia of which the ZB Commodore was based on. Suspension and steering feel, engines, driving dynamics, the exhaust and interior headroom/legroom were either re-engineered, altered, retuned or adjusted, racking up 100,000 kilometres of fine-tuning to dial it in (that's a lot!) A lot of people forget that.
@KiwiCarLife25 күн бұрын
@@jamestorrens645 I see!
@brad2tube7 ай бұрын
Great review. Not a wasted word. Good drives. Totally real. ✊✌️👌
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
Thanks man
@ItsReverb_YT7 ай бұрын
Vf is awesome, my mum wanted one for ages but overthought the whole like purchasing of it but man if she had it, shed literally be flying wit it
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
Oh yeah they’re great
@perpetualgrin58047 ай бұрын
Do everything to help the VF Commodore win, guaranteed 1000's of subscribers😅.
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
Hahah yes
@patmac29333 ай бұрын
Great review! I put the bimodal valves from the SS series 2 on my VF Sv6 so I can have it whisper quiet until I put the foot down 😆. Also I added whiteline sway bars and Monroe shocks, handles great and comfortable.
@KiwiCarLife3 ай бұрын
Ooh yes that’s lovely
@jt_goddard18167 ай бұрын
Should rename it to Holden commodore vs Vauxhall insignia 😂
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
lol you’d say that as a “real” commy owner! 😂
@RICHYSUNCLE4 ай бұрын
INJUST SAID THAT IN MY HEAD THERES NO WAY 😂
@RICHYSUNCLE4 ай бұрын
@@KiwiCarLifeand yes he is a “real commie owner” yiu weird lisp sounding mf
@Hapkido82AUS4 ай бұрын
Where do you think Commodores came from ?? 😂
@ChrisHolden-rv2fh28 күн бұрын
@@Hapkido82AUS they're no euro car
@spadgm7 ай бұрын
Nice comparo! I have a ZB RS and it has been a good car over the last three years of ownership. Plenty of power and I have enjoyed the handling of the all wheel drive. For me a negative has been the 9 speed gearbox, it can get a bit muddled at times and other times it is pretty good.
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
Yeah I’d agree, overall great but the 9at can be a bit useless
@motleydude7312 күн бұрын
Love those VFs. They finally got it right I reckon. 👌 Hope to own one one day!
@KiwiCarLife12 күн бұрын
Yeah they’re nice aye
@davidl91692 ай бұрын
Interesting., love your take on it. I've owned both in CalaisV trim . Had 2 VF and 1 ZB. ZB is more up to date, modern and quicker but 9 speed lets it down. 6 Speed in VF is much easier to live with day to day, very rarely get caught out. VF definitely has more character and feels more special. Both great cars.
@KiwiCarLife2 ай бұрын
@@davidl9169 yeah honestly if the ZB just had the ZF6, it would be better than the VF in every way. That gearbox just lets it down it’s so confusing and complicated to use
@sanjaychandumal488923 күн бұрын
Hi, great comparison - and fair assessment. I've enjoyed your style of reviews - informative and fun. I noticed on your BMW and commodore reviews where the models share similar Automatic boxes (BMW e8x and e9x 6 cyclinder non turbos and Commodore VF) that you mentioned they are ZF boxes. In my research they are GM auto boxes '6Lxx'. Its the BMW i6 turbo (135i, 335i) that have the ZF6 box.
@KiwiCarLife23 күн бұрын
The GM 6L and ZF6 are the same design transmission, just manufactured in different locations. But yes you are right
@YuryYav18 күн бұрын
Great video as always. On one hand a FWD “Commodore” (in 4cyl versions) is not really a Commodore. On the other hand, VB-VL was an Opel Rekord, so basically going back to their roots. However, as many have said. Holden should’ve let the commodore go gracefully (like Ford did with the Falcon) and just just named it differently.
@KiwiCarLife14 күн бұрын
Yeah that's true, I reckon they should have just called the ZB the Holden Insignia.
@vsboy25772 ай бұрын
The Vf is a masterpiece
@KiwiCarLife2 ай бұрын
Yessss good strong car
@Bigtbone2055 ай бұрын
With holden going the way of the dinosaurs i hear that getting parts for them can ve a real nightmare.
@KiwiCarLife5 ай бұрын
Oh true I suppose that might be the case
@jamesalbrecht418Ай бұрын
Na we have shit tones in Oz they all gets wrapped around polls
@logan200147 ай бұрын
Love the video! But you should test a vf sv6 that wasn't an ex cop car and has less ks on it. I feel like the sv6 can do a lot better in the roll race
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
Nah not a chance man haha it’s 25kW down, way longer gears, and more weight. It’ll never keep up. Ex police means nothing really, it was highway patrol so all hot miles. It still feels strong
@logan200147 ай бұрын
@@KiwiCarLife I realise the zb is faster, just dont think its too fair comparing them when they have a 220,000km difference
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
@@logan20014 honestly the VF might have lost 5kW? It’s not enough to make any noticeable difference
@r8pilot2967 ай бұрын
Owned both VF Series and still have a ZB RS. The conclusion is accurate and the ZB is the better car, more modern and the V6 feels much happier revving with its redesign such as 2 timing chains not 3 ) and it pulls much stronger and has more torque on tap than my 2 VF,s ever did. The hatchback design is such a space winner that a boot feels a backward step. The convenience of Apple Play included that always works and the 9-speed transmission giving you a cruising speed on the freeway of just 1400rpm at 100kmh and the better engine is a deal closer for me. Also put the transmission in sports setting in the sub menu and it's sharper and more responsive and logical. The name badge is irrelevant IMO as everything today pretty much is Global.
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
Yeah I’d have to agree
@rodcoates79417 ай бұрын
Hey R8pilot do you use the ZB for towing ? I have been thinking of getting an RS for towing a 1200 kg caravan and there's not much commentary on its towing capability
@SPQRTempusАй бұрын
@@rodcoates7941 The 3.6L V6 ZB range is rated up to 1800kg towing capacity.
@joshuaharris56707 ай бұрын
Can you do VE SV6 S2 vs a VF SV6 S2 if possible, I think the matchup would be interesting to see
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
That would be interesting
@joshuaharris56707 ай бұрын
@@KiwiCarLife Thank you for the reply, looking forward to your newer videos as your one of the car reviews I actually like to watch
@nickl25482 ай бұрын
VF , 359,342 km , that's a lot of kms !
@KiwiCarLife2 ай бұрын
Sure is!
@Nicknamed137 ай бұрын
My understanding is the ZB has a differential based torque vectoring awd similar to Honda's SH-AWD. Is it anywhere near as good as the SH-AWD? Was it as usable on the open road? Extra gears do liven up the car and the new motor sounds growly.
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
Yeah it’s similar, definitely handles well!
@SPQRTempusАй бұрын
It is the same Twinster system that the Ford Focus RS has. Each rear drive shaft has a clutch pack that allows distribution of available torque sent to the rear axle to be split from 0-100% between each wheel.
@ysanoo977 ай бұрын
Nice vid, unpopular opinion: bring back the Accord Euro R content.
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
I’ve moved on from Hondas but thanks for the suggestion
@Tight--LiNeZ6 ай бұрын
An SV6 with Sunwide tyres on it. Fun in the wet I bet...
@KiwiCarLife6 ай бұрын
HAHA yessss
@perpetualgrin58047 ай бұрын
Hay matey must be time for a test of the ' 380 '?
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
Oh good lord HAHA
@D800Lover2 ай бұрын
Add an OTR air intake and go to somebody who can unleash computer in the VF, and then do the comparison!
@KiwiCarLife2 ай бұрын
@@D800Lover that would be interesting for sure!
@SPQRTempus7 ай бұрын
The VXR does not have Recaro seats in it. I think they must be Opel seats because there is no brand label on them or any mention of Recaro in either the brochure or the owners manual. On the other hand the VXR has Brembo front brakes and they are all over the brochure.
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
You could be right
@SPQRTempus7 ай бұрын
@@KiwiCarLife I am fairly sure I'm right, I went and checked my VXR lol
@kevlarnegative7 ай бұрын
Actually they are both opel Insignia, the VF just has a slight difference front to Opel Insignia OPC. I have 2010 opel Insignia 1.8 petrol and its a slug. Comfortable but slow and lots of elecrical faults sadly.
@paul--b7 ай бұрын
No, it’s Insignia based, but has significant differences, it’s wider for one and built in Australia.
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
@@paul--b yeah the insignia is a completely different car
@paul--b7 ай бұрын
@@KiwiCarLife yes, sorry not even Insignia based, pre 2006 Commodores were Opel Omega based though. There was a brief 10 years or so there where Commodores were a real unique Australian design.
@ayh5996 ай бұрын
you should do a review on a v8 ls holden !
@KiwiCarLife5 ай бұрын
Maybe one day
@thatguyben31287 ай бұрын
_geez that ZB engine is noticeably more lively than the VF, but I just can’t see the BOGAN youth of today falling in love with it, especially for doing hooligan burnouts 💨💨💨💨_
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
Yeah agreed haha
@thatguyben31285 ай бұрын
@@KWUnt 😂👍🏼👍🏼
@zaamuro84087 ай бұрын
Dont think the auto's are ZF dervied - just that it has similar Lepelletier gear mechanism (for 6 speed)
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
It’s GM 6L45 if you look on Wikipedia you’ll see it’s related to the ZF6 and the shifting characteristics are extremely similar
@aussiebreakout5 ай бұрын
Let me correct you on the VRX they are 20’s not 19’s and Ve and Vf rims fit as long as they are 20’s to clear the brembos
@KiwiCarLife5 ай бұрын
Yes apologies I misspoke there the VXR has 20’s
@B33ond7 ай бұрын
Thoughts on a 124km Manual CL9 for $9,990. Do you see them going up slowly over time ?
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
Sounds alright to me, assuming that’s NZD
@B33ond7 ай бұрын
@@KiwiCarLife Aud
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
@@B33ond hmm yeah I’d say go for it if it’s tidy!
@RB-yy7bd25 күн бұрын
Owned both like my rsv awd better for handling and off line
@KiwiCarLife24 күн бұрын
@@RB-yy7bd yeah the newer one definitely feels more planted
@titin2002 ай бұрын
The ZB Insignia... i mean commodore is very quick. We had a VE SSV and a hired a ZB Commodore, the ZB had its bonnet infront until 110kph then both backed off. The SS wasn't reeling it in either.
@KiwiCarLife2 ай бұрын
@@titin200 that’s impressive! But also not surprising, VE SS only makes like 25kW more with much longer gears
@SH74SH5 ай бұрын
No real commodore fans even recognise the zb as an actual commodore. Holden lovers see the VF as the last real Aussie icon.
@KiwiCarLife5 ай бұрын
Yeah, doesn’t mean the ZB is a bad car though. They should have just called it the insignia
@SH74SH5 ай бұрын
@@KiwiCarLife agreed
@AusMLE8884 ай бұрын
Agreed
@AusMLE8884 ай бұрын
@@KiwiCarLifeand agreed here the opal should have been called something else rather than commodore
@markpritchard30992 ай бұрын
Considering 1 of the 2 atm , if i decide the VXRi will de-badge it but leave VXR and get the Opel badge for the grille, the badge is really cheap, i would feel better surrounded by Holden fans in traffic 😂😉
@KiwiCarLife2 ай бұрын
Haha yeah I guess that’s the thing, it’s a fantastic car, but it’s not a commodore
@markpritchard30992 ай бұрын
@KiwiCarLife yeah it really should be rebadged as it's really that, my Mustang is a Mustang ( obviously recognisable as a Ford) but the only Ford badge on it is up behind the top of the tint on windscreen behind some small box thing and rear view mirror so it could be rebadged in Russia as a Tatra Mustang 🤷🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
@craigauty67567 ай бұрын
Onslow college top field?
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
Newlands college bottom field
@bobbrown34714 ай бұрын
@@KiwiCarLife 😂
@B33ond7 ай бұрын
Accord euro would eat these around a track
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
Haha not a stock one that’s for sure!
@s_gwalls61067 ай бұрын
The zb isn't a Commodore 😅shameful calling it by that name
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
I think it deserves the name, it’s still a big fast sedan… calling the mustang mach e a mustang is sacrilege though
@bashyamate26133 ай бұрын
Wait until you find out apart from the vf and ve they’re all re-engineered opels and vauxhalls
@therig13395 ай бұрын
Vf is the real last commodore.. the opel model was laughable..
@KiwiCarLife5 ай бұрын
I thought it was still a good car, they should have just called it an insignia
@therig13395 ай бұрын
@@KiwiCarLife I think it was garbage.. and giving it the commodore badge was lazy and honestly insulting to the company. Many other Holden people will say the same thing..
@KiwiCarLife5 ай бұрын
@@therig1339 garbage compared to what? A 1992 Mitsubishi Mirage is garbage… some strong words to describe a modern, fast and well built European sedan
@therig13395 ай бұрын
@@KiwiCarLife dude you said yourself, the drivability unless you flog it is lazy and delayed.. the steering is vague and not direct.. and that's compared to a vf .. which is no high bar.
@mvnorsel63545 ай бұрын
What didn't you like on your extensive test drive ?
@chrisstaff58706 ай бұрын
FFS! The VZ had gear paddles on the steering wheel. ZB lol. Whatever
@KiwiCarLife6 ай бұрын
Aye? I can’t tell if you’re being condescending or if you just have no idea what you’re on about
@Vikturus227 ай бұрын
9 speeds is too many.
@KiwiCarLife7 ай бұрын
Yeah it is too many tbh
@danielnieuwenhuize89596 ай бұрын
It's sad to see the true soul of the commodore lost with the zb. The zb was definitely for the european car people rather than the holden bogan.
@KiwiCarLife6 ай бұрын
Yeah for sure, still a great car though imo
@user-rq2dg7im2n23 күн бұрын
The vf is a woman's car, little girls car same as a vn v6 no real difference, the zb awd smashes it completely the lfx is a cheap engine why the lgx is the real boss, steel crank mate!!! Let it rip, I'll be going around the corner at 180km a hour why the vf is spinning out at 130km into a family eating a KFC family bucket, get a hsv and stop being cheap.
@KiwiCarLife23 күн бұрын
Good lord haha
@pigupigu7 ай бұрын
You need to drive the V8 and HSV models. The V6 ones are just NPC cars