Klim Badlands Pro vs. Carlsbad | Gore-Tex ADV Protection (buyer's guide)

[@BigRockMoto]

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[@benjaminharvey4844]

I bought the Carlsbad pants & jacket. I hit a patch of ice while going about 70 mph, did the death wobble and slid a far stretch along the asphalt. Besides a couple of bruises I was not injured. The shoulder, both elbows and seat for my outfit were torn. I’m a believer in Klim products.

[@joshuamcdonald5621]

Man, that takes some serious confidence to ride 70 in winter or icy conditions. I'm glad you made it out okay.

[@lcdubs7847]

I bought a Carlsbad last spring, and after a summer with 20,000kms of riding, I can say I absolutely love it. Totally waterproof, and very comfortable. It could use a bit better venting in really hot weather though. I didn't go with the Carlsbad pants because there are no regular type pants pockets, only the pockets down on the thighs. Instead, I went with Latitude Pants, which work very well. The downside is that, for whatever reason, the zippers for attaching jacket to pants are reversed. I don't know why Klim would do that, but they did. In terms of sizing, we are very similar in physical size, but have chosen very different sizes of gear. I'm 5'9" and 205lb and wear a 34" waist pants with an XL jacket. I could certainly have gotten away with a Large, and in the summer it would be a better choice, but in colder weather I want to be able to layer up, and the XL allows for lots of room for a soft shell and down vest. Keep up the great reviews.

[@onoes9646]

How hot is really hot? Do you think the Induction vents better?

[@michaelskinner896]

I would say yes. The Induction doesn't have a Gore layer, and the entire chassis is ventilated with Karbonite mesh.@@onoes9646

[@greatfallskam]

I've owned both original Badlands and Badlands Pro. I now have the 2020 KLIM Carlsbad. Primarily for being lighter. Just wish the primary pocket where I keep my wallet in front had a YKK waterproof zipper. Great video.

[@gdossor]

For reference, I’m 6’2” 40” chest and if truth be told 40” waist but size in 36 jeans, 33” inseam. Tried both the Badlands and Carlsberg, and despite the weight went with the Badlands. The armpit of the Carlsberg seemed to pinch and I didn’t like how the sleeve zippers cut into my wrists- Badlands was tidier and more comfortable. If you run slightly long limbs and even a slightly overweight belly go for the tall and a size down. Ian nailed it. The XL jacket bunches up when seated and the trouser hangs like a tent. The 36” trouser, I received actually measures over 39” in circumference-lots of unnecessary cinching. Went with the large tall in the jacket and 34 tall in the trouser. If I may, a huge shout out of appreciation to Revzilla for going the extra mile in helping with my returns from Japan.

[@andreasweber7828]

I’m convinced about Klim’s qualities, but I don’t like their style, colours and price tag. Got myself the Re:vit Sand H2O, looks better and was in my opinion the best bang for the bucks.

[@keratubes]

Love my revit sand but it’s not Goretex though.

[@SimonBrisbane]

Rev’it Sand 4 H2O Jacket and Klim Baja Pants are a fantastic versatile combo.

[@THX5000]

I love my klim gear, but rev-it stuff looks awesome.

[@feanythmayosh5525]

I don't mind the pricetag. Earlier this year my husband was in an accident. His Klim suit was 2 years old and absolutely destroyed. We first asked if it was possible to repair it and what the price would be. Instead they asked what colour he wanted. The same or different. My husband chose a new colour. But we where unsure what it would cost...... They sent a whole new suit free off charge. They only wanted his old suit back for research. They have this 5 year crash related services. Simply amazing. My instructor has a 10 year old suit of Klim. It's still in good shape and he basically lives in it. Wouldn't want anything else but Klim now. Simply outstanding.

[@BigRockMoto]

I love Revit gear as well

[@shanefleming9544]

Nice review Ian, I coulda used this a year ago! I have 5 Klim jackets, and the NEW BLpro is hands down my fav. (Dakar, Carlsbad, Kodiak, Baja S4, BLPro). I really don't notice the weight when wearing it, and the vents are outstanding. I've used it in 100º+ and all those vents move plenty of air. And I run hot. The new version has forearm air scoops which make a huge difference. I've had the same issue with sizing, I'm 6' 195lb, generally don't like the look of giant bulky fitting apparel. I prefer the Med but found it always feels a bit confining, especially when you're working the bike. Ended up going with the L in the BLpro, while it does feel a bit bulky, it's definitely more comfy to have a little extra space for ADV riding. I also have the NEW BLpro pants (36"). Sizing is a little weird on these too. The 34s would fit me much better (less bulky) everywhere except the waist. My little belly forces me to go a size up, and live with extra bulk below the belt. BUT, they have adjusted the velcro straps to allow for more +/- around the waist. The extra vents down low don't do much when you're wearing full size boots, but you can still feel the difference.

[@96wx3]

Nice comparison. I purchased my Carlsbad last week by chance. I went in to a local shop to look at helmets. I then looked at their jackets at 40% off. I walked out the door with it for $444. I did a 250 mile ride yesterday with it. It was 37 degrees and cloudy for over half of my ride. I have to say I am impressed. This is my first piece of Klim gear and won't be my last. I'm exactly your height/weight with an athletic build. I find the large about perfect in the Carlsbad. However the arms could be a little shorter, but it's livable. I think a medium would be too tight in the neck and chest. I'm coming from a basic leather jacket with no armor for reference. I'll be ordering a Marrakesh for summer.

[@TomtheDilettante]

Thanks for the review! Used your affiliate link for the Carlsbad pants as I know how much work goes into these productions and appreciate your effort! Ride safe!

[@Porsche996driver]

Yeah I only had one heavy jacket years ago. Then you realize “horses for courses” and it’s best to have a couple jacket and boot options available. Great overview Ian.

[@AF-O6]

A couple points: I’m 6-2, 195, and take a Klim medium jacket. One truly does need to try both if between sizes. Also, I’m a year round rider in Virginia, and use the Baja/Enduro shell system. It’s no doubt less armor (and a more expensive option), but I accept the risk and prioritize comfort and mobility. Very good gear review!

[@jamesfairmind2247]

Excellent comparison of two good jackets and trousers. Just one point, I find that in the summer months it is too hot to wear a jacket and if you rely on armour in the jacket then once removed you are unprotected. What I do is wear a breathable armour chest and back combo like the Alpine Stars system all the time under a jacket and if I remove the jacket I wear it under a riding shirt and put on some arm protectors which are easy to store in my luggage. Doing the 7,500 TAT one year I probably spent 50 per cent of the time like this because it was too hot to wear a jacket. Just an observation.

[@BigRockMoto]

agreed.

[@kimvanuytsel8462]

I have the Badlands Pro Vectran triple A, Carlsbad.and Induction Pro. Absolutely love all 3 of them. The Badlands for colder winter weather, Carlsbad for humid Autumn weather and the Induction Prof for hot Summer weather. Absolutely love the 3 jackets

[@jonr3891]

Thanks for the review… Have you tried any Aerostich gear? It’s made the USA. ??

[@bacbladerunner]

Thanks, Ian. Great review. I would really like to see you compare the Carlsbad to the Lattitude for street use. There is very little out there comparing these to each other. I understand they are geared toward different uses, but I am still considering both for street riding.

[@elitetileandstone]

I was faced with the same dilemma. Back in July I visited Revzilla in Philadelphia, to compare the Carlsbad and the Lattitude The Lattitude has some leather accents and feels like heavier material. The Carlsbad uses CE level 2 armor, where the Lattitude is CE level 1. I was expecting an updated version of the Lattitude for 2022. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case. It is the same design they have been using since 2018. The only thing that changed , was the price. In the end, I wound up choosing the Carlsbad and I'm very happy with my decision.

[@bacbladerunner]

@@elitetileandstone Thanks for sharing. I have tried on the Lattitude and like it. I have not found a Carlsbad locally. My guess is the Carlsbad will be a little more loose and may handle intermediate layers better (only guessing). I, too, would prefer to have Level 2 in the Lattitude.

[@millerpb]

Excellent Review. I just bought the Latitude Jacket and pants. Was looking at the Carlsbad and might get that next time.

[@adambaldwin9544]

Been looking for a review on the two of these for months. Great review, thanks!

[@lifesjourneyat50]

Great comparison - I Bought the Badland Pro 3 and it's a lot....heavy and can get hot...but it has everything...I went over a cliff with my GSA about 75-100 feet down and my suit completely protected me...and during inclement weather was outstanding...not having to add liners like on my BMW Rallye Suit....great info again!!!!

[@BigRockMoto]

Thanks for sharing

[@richardvalitalo3670]

Wow ! That sounds crazy.

[@lifesjourneyat50]

@@richardvalitalo3670 You can say that - Its all in my video...surprised I didn't get hurt or total my bike...it did cost over $5K to get it fixed...

[@lifesjourneyat50]

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[@alanwarren5846]

Hi Ian, I use the Badlands jacket, the reasons I chose it was it doesn't have liners which need to be zipped in and out, and it has an integrated water bladder. You need a small forklift to put it on, but once on the weight isn't noticable.

[@rayfriedman9625]

One more thing--how about a Latitude review?

[@dralexmclean]

I'd be interested to know your thoughts on Airbag style jacket/vest units. I currently (for about 10 years now) use a HitAir vest overtop of whatever jacket I'm wearing. I've not come off moving with the jacket but did (stupidly) dismount with the bike in neutral and the sidestand not down completely. I was up on the left side peg, with my right leg in the air swinging over the big (hard aluminum) bags at the back when the bike collapsed and I got thrown down on my left side onto our concrete driveway. The bag went off I felt nothing, no wrenched neck, no bruises, I was AMAZED. I'm mid 70's and do not take well to being laid down like that on concrete. I see very little discussion about these "airbag" vest systems and would love to hear your take on them. Loved the video, just ordered a Klim Kreos Pro helmet, based partly on your recommendation. Alex

[@andrewsandoz6655]

I am extremely glad that I found this channel. Thank you for posting your videos.

[@bradcrossman5068]

Thanks for the vid. I bought the Carlsbad last year after owning a Olympia set for years and i'm glad i moved up. Initially, while trying on in the store, i found the Badlands jacket bulky and heavy with the Carlsbad noticeably lighter. The Carlsbad still didn't seem hugely comfortable in the store but that feeling went away once on the bike. Glad i made the plunge. I also like that the collar is large enough to accommodate a neck warmer and also has those little hook's and loops to keep it open. I did find that if the jacket was left in cold temps, the armour would harden until warmed up. Not a big problem unless the armour had been left bent at a odd position. This was especially noticeable with the back armour. Cheers!

[@jasonkendrick1974]

I just went through the same decision process. The Badlands was just too heavy and bulky. Overkill was a good word. Got the Carlsbad redrock version from last year....with the same updated features. I like the version you have but didn't like all the black on the shoulders and arms for summer riding and that navy blue and white looked like it would get filthy quickly. Deciding now on pants to match it with and may mix and match. Like the extra 2 vents on the badlands and the extra weight doesn't seem like such a problem if it's hanging/supported by the hips.

[@dalejones6627]

My klim badlands aero pro gloves had stitches failed, and leather wearing thin at knuckle protection after nust 4 months. Warranty dept says this is normal, will not replace. Quaility is implied, not guaranteed.

[@hunkyleepickle]

thanks for the comparo. I purchased the Kodiak jacket two summers ago, for all season riding, and its been great, utterly bombproof and extremely waterproof. I like the 'add your own layers' of Klim gear. The Kodiak in my opinion is a better jacket than the badlands for a road rider, as its designed with the road in mind. The only big issue is sizing, its very weird, and you need a very euro style body type to be able to fit into it. This is especially true with the Kodiak pants, which i purchased a year ago to match. Frankly the Carlsbad and Latitude gear is probably better for most north american riders, and frankly a whole lot cheaper. The Kodiak and Badlands is the hardest of the hardcore, if thats what you want.

[@Maxseven777]

What does "euro style body type" mean? I'm familar with Euro sizing, which generally is more tailored and fits very well, but the body types are all over the map, no matter which country. I agree with you that the Kodiak is much better in terms of fit.

[@markheinig]

How does that Kodiak jacket feel in hot weather (90+F)?

[@sapessi]

I ended up with a heavier touring jacket for longer trips. For days on the trail I prefer to use body armor (Leatt 5.5) with a Klim Dakar suit over.

[@TheScatman89]

Been waiting for this! I have the Carlsbad aswell!

[@bacbladerunner]

I have been a street rider but want to do some ADV. Been comparing the Klim Lattitude & Carlsbad. Finally was able to try them both on today at two different BMW dealerships. Both $700. I like the weight and fit of the Large Lattitude by itself, but it leaves me no room for underlayers. The XL is humongous on me. The fit of the XL Carlsbad was great, but I was shocked at how heavy & bulky it is. If for full time ADV I would probably buy it, but I will be 98% street. I feel like it would absolutely give noticeably better protection in a low or high speed fall. I think I'm going to have to look to another brand. I called Klim today and they gave me the weight as 8.5 & 9 pounds, respectively. NO WAY were they correct. 8.5 pounds sounds about right for the Lattitude, but I think the Carlsbad was more like 12-15. I kept mentioning to the salesperson, "That's a LOT of jacket".

[@UncleWally3]

Good review. I’ve used Klim gear for years, consistent with it’s high price, it’s quality is undeniable. My only complaint is Klim’s customer service which, based on my experience, is not very good. I’ve ended up repairing a few things (broken zippers, prematurity frayed material) that Klim should have covered, but the product itself is excellent.

[@trevorrichardson6152]

Klim Krios carbon helmet and latitude jacket saved my life!! And they replaced them both for free!!

[@OneOldManRiding]

I have lost some weight, but I was also 190# when I bought my Carlsbad. I could still put two layers under it. It certainly runs larger than you expect. - Frank

[@austinman1234567]

The weight difference between the these two jackets is significant and was a factor in me buying the Carlsbad. Another issue I ran into, sleeve length. The Badlands sleeves were noticeably shorter, than the Carlsbad jacket. I am glad I had the opportunity to try these jackets for size at my local dealer, and buy there (with a decent discount).

[@mcnasty3303]

Perfect timing ! I was just considering these two jackets. Thank you so much !

[@ryanmalone2681]

I only use suits like this when I’m doing primarily on-road riding. However, when I’m on-road, I like to have a white helmet and a light colored suit, which I only find with Rev’It! For mostly off-road touring, I went with MX gear with Mosko Moto shell’s and I will never go back. Better protection and lots of options to warm/cool without taking off any protection.

[@Cuda73]

I bought the Badlands Pro jacket and pants back in 2019. Only complaint was the jacket (medium) was tight in the chest. Tried a large but sleeves too long and way too baggy in the gut. I pulled the trigger and bought the new 2022 Badlands Pro combo and stuck with the medium jacket because they addressed the issue with stretch material and new seams in the shoulder/underarm area and now it is a perfect fit. It is also much easier to put on and take off your gloves with the dual zipper cuffs! I also like the Velcro flaps over the pants pocket zippers, but did not like how they reversed the flap opening for buttoning the lowering leg cuff. I am assuming this was done because of the addition of the lower leg vent. Thanks for your reviews and keep up the good work!

[@jayd3931]

I wish this video existed before I bought my Badlands set up. I really should have gone for the Carlsbad. Great break down video.

[@ADV_Agenda]

This is by far the best comparison video on the NET. As much as I like my Badlands Jacket I feel the Carlsbad is a better bang for the buck. Great review!!!!

[@BigRockMoto]

thanks Jeff!

[@davidh1314]

Carlsbads seem to be the best bang for your buck. I've had mine for 3 years now, riding in the Oregon rain/mud... Zero issues.. Super nice

[@Petesmotoadventure]

Thanks Ian. I currently have Tourmaster trek suit. I like it but I need a waterproof suit. I do medium off road so the Carlsbad sounds like a good fit for me. We are about the same size so that helps. The waterproofing is why I want to move up to a new suit. Carrying extra rain gear is a pita.

[@ryanbrown7240]

One thing I wanna bring up is comfort. The heavy climb three layer laminated suits are uncomfortable and hard to move in. I decided to go with the Carlsbad because of how easy that suit moves. I know it has less protection but it’s so incredibly comfortable I never think twice about wearing it. Your suit should feel like a second skin not a hindrance and those heavy suits are 100% a hindrance. One point of order the size difference between the medium and the large Carlsbad is huge it feels like there needs to be at least one size between the two. I’m 6 foot 200 pounds the large and the Carlsbad was gigantic and the medium was a little bit too tight. I ended up going with the medium and rolling with a heated base layer

[@BigRockMoto]

agreed on both accounts

[@ryanbrown7240]

@@BigRockMoto You always respond to my comments thanks for the incredible work you do and information you put out!

[@phatsmitty]

Ian, your work is level and logical, and we enjoy your satirical picture inserts..... we love what you do. Keep it going and don't ever change (except for more dual sports, scooters, and naked sport bikes!!!!!

[@theflyingkiwi4803]

Excellent comparative review Ian. Very useful. Thank you!👍👍

[@brettdavis80]

You forgot to mention how well the collar cinches up to keep water / cold air out.

[@UnicornMoto]

Funny - I just started looking at these today! Great timing!

[@wendygerrish4964]

Im skeptical. Pre goretex everything except barber's oiled cotten or plain old pvc would saturate and allow water entry usually after 30-60 minutes in 70mph rain. So..how can the one be 'more' waterproof than the other ? I mean waterproof is waterproof.

[@jarouche1]

Hello Ian Great review! Have you tried the M size of the Badlands? I have about the same height and weight as you. And I'm looking to buy the badlands Does the M fit better than the L?

[@kyleturner6829]

Thanks very much! I am actually looking seriously at the Carlsbad suit for a big road trip on my RT. I like the slightly lighter weight of it. I would layer up for colder weather, or use my electric gear.

[@trekOCLVone]

I wish that the Klim Kodiak jacket and pants could have been included. In cold weather I run the Kodiak and in warm weather I'm running the Baja S4. Both are loaded with armor and abrasion resistance.

[@richardtylermusic]

Thank you .....your reviews are the finest!

[@danketchpel7460]

I was in the market for a high end waterproof (read had to be Gore-Tex) jacket earlier this year (2022) and when I initially searched all the KLIM jackets were out of stock. I ended up ordering an Aerostich Darien jacket. But upon receiving it (never had the chance to try one on), I was rather disappointed in it. The fit wasn't great for me even with a custom order and I really didn't like that it didn't have a lining, the jacket stuck to my arms with a short sleeve shirt on. Fast forward a month or so and the KLIM jackets came back in stock. I ended up trying both the Badlands and Carlsbad on. Though they didn't have my exact size in either, I was quickly able to assess how they felt etc. I just couldn't handle the bulk, weight, and restrictive movement of the Badlands. The Carlsbad allowed for much easier motion and felt like half the weight. It had suitable protection for me and the cut fit me better than my Darien (I was able to try on another model KLIM in my size), I was sold. I ended up ordering the size I needed online which is frustrating as I'd have preferred to just buy it in the store. My only complaint on the Carlsbad is I wish the collar closure was a little better, it's not great. I also wish the sleeves were a bit shorter, but that's a personal fit thing. I like the KLIM Carlsbad a whole lot more than the Darien which will be sold. I wish I'd been able to try one on before ordering as I probably would not have bought it in the first place. Lessons learned, once again. You REALLY need to try on gear to know if it's what you want, but that is often extremely hard to accomplish.

[@BigRockMoto]

good post, I ended up going with the Carlsbad after this video for the same reasons, badlands is too heavy

[@advredbikes]

Great Video Ian, Thank you for the review on both suits.

[@paulbuschman8318]

I am the same size dimensions as you. Last year I had to decide between the same two jackets, Carlsbad (M), Badlands (L), and I agree completely with your sizing assessments, being in between the medium and large on the two jackets. Even though its new,I have the Badlands up for sale because I tend to want to lean more toward off-road and BDR style riding and find the benefits of the Carlsbad to outweigh "lugging" the extra weight of the Badlands jacket on my trips.

[@mikemerrill175]

I looked at both brands to replace my 20 year old Belstaff gear. Both are extremely well designed and quite stylish. Instead, living in warm and dry SoCal, I went with custom made MotoPort Kevlar gear. It breathes well, is sturdier than race weight leather trading that for absolutely no water resistance and the need to use liner as the weather cools. I’ve used the gear in temps of 116 to 34 with great results. The fact that the local motor cops wear it is a testimony to its long term durability.

[@BigRockMoto]

Motoport is amazing gear

[@mikemerrill175]

@@BigRockMoto Good news for me is it is cut to fit my short inseam 😊

[@Boxer1250RT]

Before anyone spends $1,000 plus on these, go to a place where you can wear one and sit on a bike. Move your head around more than a few minutes. Klim has the worst Collars on any Jacket I've ever bought or tried. It literally chokes you sitting on the bike. I bought the Badlands on sale for $650 a few years back and sold it on Craigs List for $500 after a few rides. Don't listen to anyone on the Internet before fact checking your self.

[@alelectric2767]

I’ve never bought any expensive gear cause I can’t try them on anywhere. Also I think you look like a bit of a rich tool wearing some of this stuff. Mainly due to the colour ways and patterns.

[@truckingfun5033]

Check out Aerostitch… The Darien jacket and pants are great. Jacket has magnetic collar

[@cbr6864]

Agree 100% bought complete set of baja S4....most uncomfortable jacket I have ever worn. Same complaint felt like it was cutting into my neck

[@keesverhagen9227]

I have a normall/ sporty posture. Tried Klim last year but they clearly aim towards the more middle aged persons. So it is wide enough for a present belly. So decided to go again for Rukka.

[@ShaftDrive]

Is it just me or does the Carlsbad short? To me it feels like a belly shirt. I’m 6’1” wear xl latitude but that one feels like a square. Barely to my belt line. The adjustable Velcro at the waist is a must.

[@momp87]

Thank you! Great video, very informative. Im leaning towards the Carlsbad now 🙂

[@Nomad-Drifter]

Hi Ian, what length are the trousers. I believe they do a short, regular and long. The problem I have with my current trousers is I went for long and the armour is on my shin. Great video pal. Klim cut is very boxy I’m sure I’ll fit a medium as well with broad shoulders and a small waist I’m sure it’ll be baggy on my lower body. It really needs adjustment waist straps.

[@chrismcgraw3042]

Have the Badlands Pro and love it, trying to decide what pants to pair with it

[@maciejmaciej1718]

Fantastic video, very informative. Anyone finds Badlands trousers too tight under your knees? I've tried to wear oversized Badlands but they still don't fit in knee areas, seems that armour taking all space. Not to mention I was unable to wear any baselayer. Also, knee armour seems to be moving around too much, I have a feeling that in case of any slide, my knee armour would move to my shoulder blades area... Klim seems to be using more and more flimsy materials as well comparing to their earlier Badlands models while price goes up.. Is it really that top range gear?

[@ScottyADV]

Thanks for the info. Would like to see a comparison of the Rev'it gear you ride with.

[@BigRockMoto]

editing that video now

[@GSAirTherapy]

Ian - a comparison between Klim (Badlands or Carlsbad) and BMW Rallye combos would also be interesting. I’m on the fence for now. I have a summer/fall BMW jacket & pants - absolutely love them! Wouldn’t go touring with that set, tho.

[@wine_country_moto]

I run the sand H2O as well. Haven’t been able to test out the water resistant liner yet ( I live in California). However, always been interested in trying out Klim’s gear. Thanks for the video.

[@mattsmith6928]

Did you have enough room in the Carlsbad for the Maverick or a heated jacket with a Medium? I recently sold my old Badlands (L) and got a new Badlands Pro and Carlsbad jacket in Large. The Carlsbad has a HUGE belly area and very long sleeves. The Badlands Pro sleeves are perfect, but the shoulder area seems a bit bulkier than I remember my old jacket being. I'm considering trying a Medium. Such a hassle, but its a lot of money to spend so I'm not settling until I find the right line/size. Great vid!

[@michaelskinner896]

Yes, it's an older post, haha, but did you try the M in the BP and is it a better fit for you?

[@mattssi]

The M BLP did not fit - if I recall, I couldn't zip the thing up. So weird the fitment. I should have just kept my few years old BLP. In the end though, I ended up with a Latitude suit actually. I guess I'm not the adventurer I thought I was 😅

[@michaelskinner896]

Haha, we can all be adventurers to an extent. I ride primarily on tarmac and I was also considering the Latitude. Compared to the BLP, do you like it and does it feel protective enough?Thanks!@@mattssi

[@markosrides]

First of all, great stuff Ian, love your videos since way back! Last year I bought Carlsbad both jacket and pants and I am very satisfied with it. Just one small problem and it's because I'm 6'3" (193 cm) tall with long legs (34,6" inseam). When I sit on my GS after couple of hours riding the thick knee armor tends to hurt my knee a bit. There is not much fabric between the armor and the knee and I'm slim so I'll have to figure something out, probably adding some fabric in between or around my knees. Other than that, I rode in 34C heat and while it gets hot, it's not that unbearable for me with proper hydration. On my pants, which are a version 2 I guess, I have both front and back vents so that is nice. Missing a vent or two at the upper arms but hey, it's not that bad. I also crashed wearing Carlsbad in the forest with sandy ground, no scratch on it or on me. I really hope it will last me a long time since it's a hefty chunk of money (providing I don't rip it to sherds somewhere :D)... Ride safe everyone!

[@FelixKraut]

Hi Marko, I had the same knee issue on my new pants (other brand). I am also of your height. Changing the actual knee protectors to some after marked product did the trick for me!

[@AnonymousWonder]

"When you're standing around at the coffee shop with your BMW..." Nice little jab there. Hahaha!

[@dcxplant]

I bought the Badlands. Unfortunately, on my first ride, the shoulder touched the exhaust, and melted instantly. The material seemed very thin, and it made me wonder how the material would stand up to a slide, and if it would melt. I've seen other jackets melt on pavement slides. The Badlands is far bulkier and heavier, however, I bought this for cold season riding, not summer riding.For summer riding, I use Motoport's Kevlar Mesh jacket and pants. I vacillated between medium and large sizes. Evidently, I'm not alone in being between sizes. The elbow armor was too low, and I had to cinch the upper and lower arm bands all the way to place the armor in the correct position. According to the sales rep, this is common. The Badlands has long arms. The longer back armor on the Badlands rests on the seat and puts the back armor into the bottom of my helmet. I can adjust on the bike, but I will trim the armor on the bottom. I wanted a waterproof shell to wear my own base layer. My last trip with temps in the 30's has convinced me to buy a form-fitting heated pullover with a light wind blocker and go down a size if I stay with the Klim gear. The bulk needed to stay warm under the Badlands was pretty thick. "Breathable" means heat loss. I felt the heat loss with cotton and wool layers underneath. A lightweight wind blocker will be needed under any "breathable" waterproof jacket. In the end, for me, a Badlands medium with heated base layer and a light wind blocker for less bulk would work well. Now I have to sell this very expensive, and damaged, Badlands for a loss. I hope this information saves someone else some trouble. Still considering Motoport's non-mesh Kevlar. It does not melt. I had a 50mph low side wearing the kevlar mesh and it barely showed any evidence of the slide, just a slight scuff.

[@dalehunt1383]

I have both as well. The pro I wish had leather in the front at the gut as the inner legs do on pants. As you stated the gut bulges rubbing my tank, even with tank pad I now have permanent deep scratches in the tank plastic and dull buff marks on the metal tank of my 2021 GSA. ☹️

[@chrisd4283]

Great review. I bought the Carlsbad due to weight and comfort. What backpack are you wearing. I’m looking for the orange strap version to match my asphalt Carlsbad. Thanks.

[@jl4091]

Timely review because I really need a new jacket.What jacket is the best for really cold weather?

[@BigRockMoto]

The Badlands

[@whinstonwhoodle6373]

Completely agree with your sizing assessment. This year’s Badlands jacket fits waaaay bigger than the previous iteration. I was in between sizes in the previous iteration, but a large fit best. In this year’s version, the large both felt and looked ridiculously too big on me, and the medium fit perfectly, save for the arm length of course, but that’s the price I pay to get a good body fit in every jacket in existence for the luxury of being able scratch my knee without bending over.

[@sobedaytona]

Do you have an opinion on the Kodiak?

[@billfish5913]

As I watch this review of ADV gear, I just watched a bunch of You Tubes about the CFMoto 800 MT Touring ADV bike which has been on sale around the world and is coming to the US in spring 2023. It looks a like great deal with the KTM 790 engine. I respect your opinion, so please put this bike on your list to review. I didn’t know how to contact you with this request.😎

[@brentmiller5830]

Ian - great video. Thanks. If you had one Adventure riding Motorcycle jacket (Live in Wyoming) would you purchase the Badlands Pro or the Carlsbad? Thanks for the review.

[@michaelskinner896]

He answered that in the video.

[@stephensmith3763]

Appreciate the review! I’d love a full review about your Baja S4

[@BigRockMoto]

Coming next week

[@stephensmith3763]

Awesome I’m looking forward to it :-) I would also love to know what you think about climb’s airbag vest? Do you have a ride with an airbag?

[@adamg7270]

I just picked the Carlsbad jacket and pants last month, more for cooler weather road trips with the threat of rain. Love it overall, but Klim pants seem to run long and baggy. I would have replaced them for another size but they were out of stock. The fit on the jacket is perfect, with enough room for midlayers, but not too baggy. The std length pants are long clown-suit fit on me @ 5'10" / 36w & 31 inseam.

[@MrEtnorb]

Re these expensive pants, they do have knee protection and some supposedly abrasion panels but I’d prefer to wear my Kevlar lined jeans if I end up sliding along a sealed road. My jeans also have CE armour in the hips and knees and are about 1/3 Rd the price of these pants.

[@osimnod]

Informative review and helpful insights. I have the Mojave and Dakar pants so far and looking to add a jacket for moderate off-roading. Near you in Escondido is Motoport which makes Kevlar mesh riding gear and wonder if you've looked at their offerings?

[@michsky46]

I have this badlands 2022... top product!

[@jonathanstormont2898]

Wow in Australia these are about $2000.00! when you look at the Aus vs US dollar we are paying a premium here with limited distribution.

[@rayfriedman9625]

Very helpful and timely--it's finally cooling off here in Vegas and we've even had some showers lately (we really need to fill that damn lake). Okay, point one: when he says the Badlands is heavy, he means HEAVY! I absolutely recommend trying both of these jackets on, before ordering. I did, and despite thinking I wanted the Badlands, in the end, I would definitely opt for the Carlsbad. All that weight makes the Badlands a very uncomfortable jacket--it's not made wrong--it fits and all the features are great, but on a multi-day tour, all that weight will take a toll. Remember, at least some of the time you spend on a trip is OFF the bike. Walking around town looking for beer or coffee joints in the Badlands would be miserable. Next point: any trip is made up of great weather and crumby weather. When things begin to warm up (say midday in the lowlands) you'll want to ditch that jacket (and maybe the pants) for something more temperate, and buddy, that Badlands jacket jacket is BULKY! Assuming you've already packed your luggage to the gills with all those other "necessities", you'll have no place to store that jacket. Hope you've packed plenty of bungee cords because you ain't gonna stuff that jacket and pants in a side bag. My goal has alway been to ride the Alaska Highway and visit Anchorage, Fairbanks, Denali and every sideroad in between. Even in the summer, The Badlands would be great once you hit Calgary and take the side trip to Banff. It rains almost every morning in the Northern Rockies and Yukon. Same is also true once you cross the border into Tok, Alaska, but after that, you'd probably be more comfortable in the Carlsbad--and the Carlsbad would be much easier to stow when you decide to go bar-hopping in Anchorage. Obviously the ideal solution is to buy both and pay someone else to follow behind you in car so you can change suits as needed. Of Course there are times when the weather will get down right warm on such a trip, so don't forget to pack your Klim Marrakesh or Induction too!

[@robertlamart]

This year I bought Klim Carlsbad suit because for what I do I already had enough with that suit, the part that the Badland’s price is too much for me. I don't think for me short country routes and my almost few trips that I do After a year I practically do not travel, I did not need such an expensive suit, although I understand the differences in price and benefits, the truth is that I am very happy with the ordeal

[@BlackdogADV]

I’ve been wearing Klim gear for 12 years, first the Latitude then the Carlsbad that I’m using now. I’ve been from Ushuaia to Tuktoyaktuk plus a lot of dual sport rides. To me the Badlands is WAY overkill. I’ve tried them before and the added weight and bulk is too much.

[@leeredpath8332]

i wish they had a WELL STOCKED srore that we could go to and try all these on!! So expensive to risk with porch pirates around, and i hate the whole returns process !! our local cycle gear store is crap also!!

[@robertfrash2157]

You have a great channel. I have an Olympia four season suite. It is mostly corduroy fabric and even just the external shell is quite heavy and bulky. My main problem is with the pants. When I switch from standing to sitting, I have to pull the pant up because otherwise it’s too tight in the knee area. Is that a problem with the Klim pants? Is the Gortex worth the money so you don’t have to layer?

[@hoss6048]

I have a first gen Badlands. Still my most stout jacket I own. I’m thinking despite the Carlsbad is “lesser” of the two it’s far and away better than most.

[@ShaftDrive]

I run a latitude set and I think it’s great. Next set will be a Kodiak or badlands. Not sure if I need the extra gray dirt yet of the badlands but I’ll always run Klim.

[@jamesbaker7526]

The Badlands looks longer than the Carlsbad... Is that the case or just the way they are hanging on the rack?

[@wraymogg]

Thank you! Is Klim Kodiak on your list to be reviewed too?

[@stephaneparadis1498]

How would you compare the Klim Carlsbad vs the Revit Sand 4 H2O?

[@joroboam]

2 questions if i may? What jacket works best in 100+ degree weather? Also what boots you are wearing there? Thanks

[@eslamabdelmotaal537]

Hi Ian, I always like how punctual and honest in your reviews ,and you take the time to explain and illustrate enough to what you are reviewing .I have a question , what do your recommend for Hot SoCal summer. Is it bearable to wear the Carlsbad or Badlands ? Many Thanks!

[@BigRockMoto]

Baja S4. Review coming this week. Forget the goretex in summer.

[@marvingeersen3761]

Thanks for another great review! How are they for being visible for highway riding? Is there enough reflective material for headlights to light up?

[@BigRockMoto]

yes

[@philippetavares3555]

In the hot months, 25-30celcius is Livable around 50km on and off road ?

[@rossco88]

had previous badlands and Carlsbad and went back to my overland gear which I couldn't understand why they discontinued it

[@bradb2514]

Very helpful comparison. I have a previous generation Carlsbad that does the trick but I can see improvements in the newest model and of course the Badlands. Speaking of waterproof, do you have a choice in gloves? I’m having difficulty in finding a waterproof glove that isn’t an all out winter glove. Thanks!

[@richardvalitalo3670]

Should've showed the pockets & features as you would use them. I like my carlsbad jacket, badlands is HEAVY for every day use.

[@tombstone2826]

Badlands ! top notch ! Great riding gear !

[@andy3d1]

Love this channel!